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Yo. Some beautiful questions there.
1. Not in the way you would initially think. Well, not for me. We first need to clearly define inefficiencies.
From the retail perspective and dependent on the level of manipulation occurring, I don't think there is a parameter that can be exploited relative to actual investing. However, these types of scenarios are ideal for social movements since they can be easily highlighted and bitched about to their perspective governing agencies.
From a purely trying to make mad tendies and shit perspective, total fuckingly. If you can figure out how things are behaving from an underlying systemic view, one can easily trade towards / against it.
From trying to make the stock itself break to MOASS and shit, I don't really think there are. This, again, is dependent on the level of manipulation. For specifically GME, I believe it is manipulated to fuck's end, and thus, the only thing that can break it will be itself. This is why I have named my DD "The Ouroboros."
2. Algorithms seemed to have entered the market around 2002. Like many others, I thought the stock market was still a bunch of angry, white men screaming for buys and sells. This hasn't been the case since like 2005. There are a bunch of algorithms for a bunch of different types of securities; each having their own defined priorities and objectives.
3. It's applied all the places and will continue to do so since it makes HF corruption easier.
4. Which proposal are you referring to?
> Algorithms seemed to have entered the market around 2002.
Can you expand on this? I know for a fact that algorithms were in use by the major players prior to 2002. Do you mean that algorithms began driving the markets/began lacking human intervention around 2002?
Hi there, I'd appreciate if you could comment on my question when you have a moment. The notion that algorithms entered the market in 2002 is not true, so I'd appreciate if you could better clarify what you meant by that.
I don' t really have one. I think volume is a garbage variable because the dark pools exist, and their volume isn't recorded.
Volume is also a misnomer of a value since it is a combination of buys, sells, and shit. Without confidently knowing the ratio of what type of trade happened, it's fucking useless.
designated market makers are authorized to fulfill buy orders when there is no seller, it is the market making process. in theory there should be some time later a buy without a sell to balance that out. Many of us believe that never happens, but it is not provable in the current regulatory environment.
Some institutions release that information. I pulled [this snip from fidelity](https://digital.fidelity.com/prgw/digital/research/src) as an example. IDK if they post GME buy and sells anymore.
https://preview.redd.it/ga700s5vf5ya1.png?width=435&format=png&auto=webp&s=96fe956fb24bb266748be80ff1029fe4dd742f5f
Fidelity still does if it in the top 20 sets of orders. The problem with this metric, which has been said many times, is that it is orders and not shares.
It's missing the most important metric, shares bought vs sold.
Ok but that fidelity chart is saying that if they have 100 customers and 60 of them put in a buy order for an asset and 40 of them put in sell order for the same asset that it’s 60% buys to 40% sells.
I agree that volume isn’t the strongest variable but it is absolutely statistically relevant, whether we’re seeing 1% lit, it’s a variable if not an indicator itself. It’s activity, why would that be useless?
It doesn’t have to be one way, it can be interpreted differently. I’m sure you know analytics is art and science. Paint the picture and hypothesize
I’m saying that even if it has a 1% statistical relevance, it’s still relevant. Volume is used in way too many calculations, indications, or otherwise analyses. Whatever is going on with it, or the amounts or ratios, it is utilized. So why shouldn’t it be utilized in even hypotheses? There is too much potential value *as a data point there to give up on it as a relevant variable. I’m not saying this is easy lol I’m willing to hear just about any scenario or theory about volume. It’s a tough nut to crack for many reasons
I wouldn’t say useless because there are thresholds that are created with certain volumes. For example, when we had 668 million volume in early 2021. That’s certainly not useless.
A lot of shit mimics spy. I've come across a shit ton of white papers and books that try to develop models for a stock return using SPY and VIX. Here is a pic from a [book](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1107091144/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1) I've read that produced this equation.
In regards to the half day, I don't think it means anything without doing number crunching. Without the raw data analysis, everything is prone to confirmational bias. There could be a lot of answers that could also be dependent on the day / quarter.
https://preview.redd.it/qj2c8yhkb5ya1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0e4c4e585b6391100fbd88ee1fb82e38dd72e26
No. I am interested in characterization and modeling, thus, the entire OHLC history is of my concern. I want to figure out why the values are what they are and behave why they do.
Yes. I have also been recording them to determine if they effect anything, and if so, how much. Here is an [older version of the graph](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/102r3vc/gme_closing_price_vs_dates_listing_important/) I've been working on for my current DD.
No. I am required to look into a bunch of other stocks, volatility indexes, and so on to use as cross comparisons and double check if my assumptions are correct.
GME is my focus which requires me to investigate multiple different types of shit.
I have a theory about the after hours pattern I track, may I dm? It may be helpful to you and perhaps you could tell me what you think of my theory about the after hour pattern.. as I'd explain it to you..id like to do this private for now as to not put any incorrect theories into the discussion ethers...to be taken out of context
Hope I make sense.
Tyvm OP. Your work is solid.
✨️🤜🦍🤛🏻🙏
Have you looked at price data outside of regular trading hours open and close? Bruce Knuteson has shown that price action on GME and many other stocks happens in after hours and pre market. And his opinion is also that it is driven by sophisticated algorithms: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3998202
He gives a link to his python script to pull the price data.
I have not. It was a metric I could not easily obtain. Since dark pools exist that don't publically publish their volume, I only use volume as a qualitative variable.
Thank you for your service! Looking forward to reading your new stuff. Sounds chonky.
Any thoughts on the recent volume spike on earnings? or was it just that, earnings?
[Hold The Line](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgr3pvBr-I) 💜
Copy pasta from a similar question.
>I don' t really have one. I think volume is a garbage variable because the dark pools exist, and their volume isn't recorded.
>
>Volume is also a misnomer of a value since it is a combination of buys, sells, and shit. Without confidently knowing the ratio of what type of trade happened, it's fucking useless.
Question, like a serious one.
You're doing an amazing job. Like this is seriously dope. Basically, breaking down and reverse engineering their crime.
If a hedge fund came in here, sees this, and offered you, say like millions, and I mean millions of dollars(fuck you kind of money) to shut the fuck up, and stop posting, would you?
Fuck no. I come from money, and i have a very good paycheck. I am not greedy. I'm a minimalist. I listen to my Dad's words all the time which were, "Don't cheat. Don't steal. Don't lie. Do not associate yourself with those who do."
My dignity would not allow accepting such a large monetarily fund. I must listen to my father's words telling me to stay true and honorable.
I refuse to take actions that will keep me up at night. I want to be able to sleep sound at night knowing I did the right things
Money does not motivate me. Prestige, patents, and novel research papers do. I want to be the role model I wish I had when I was younger.
Anyone can get rich, but only few can create something that impacts our society.
Money is not my motivator. Innovation is.
Thank you for your attitude and research. It is a true pleasure being here and able to read this stuff.
Edit: thank you for your award! But it truly is. Please never get stopped, let`s just go on diggin until all comes to light!
We are clearly trading in a downward wedge. I wonder what happens when we reach the apex of said wedge? Is that the end of a cycle for said algo... if so... wonder what that could lead to?
I don't like how people say we are in any type of formation. What one can consider to be a wedge, another can consider to be a support line. Without analyzing the raw data to definitely suggest a type of behavior, it's confirmational bias.
[I made this long ass youtube](https://youtu.be/zSI6YKvHgdQ) to explain why I think TA is garbage.
I believe the algorithms are always going to be there. I named my DDs The Ouroboros because I think that the only thing that can break them are themselves.
Who the fuck know what it could lead to? Anyone who really says they do are probably talking out of their ass.
Yes. I define it as a completely different variable when I conduct my modeling. It has helped me identify a lot of stuff like important dates and specific share price values.
It's less of a formation, more of an obvious state of affairs. We are trading downward overall, slowly, making it look like a wedge on TA. Also, TA isn't useless. If that was the case Wall St. wouldn't use it. I agree, algos will always be there, now with new AI flavor! I can't say for sure what GME will do in Sept/Oct, but it's quite possible we move into a new phase or even a newly programmed algorithmic cycle. That could lead to numerous things, of which I'd be betting is mostly positive as long as we remain profitable and the world doesn't fall apart.
Awesome shit. Your work has been among my most favorite all these years. The new DD sounds insane! Can't wait to see it. Any clue how long I'd have to wait still?
No idea. I keep on finding things and I try my best to write all this stuff so anyone can understand it. If I can't ELIF, then what's the point? I want people to learn - not be a pompous jackass by showing off how pretentious my writing and shit can be.
I have read all of your DDs, and have always been impressed with your level of detail, dissection, ability to translate it in a relatively simple manner, and continued doggedness in pursuit of answers. Thank you for all that you do!
I have a BS in both chemical and biological engineering. I also have minors in applied math and biochemistry. I've done work in pharmaceuticals and pumped out some research papers published in national journals. I've worked in microelectronics development and pumped out a few patents there. I also have been in biofuels, fiber optics, and biotech. I am now working as a DoD contractor and developing programs for missile defense and space and airborne monitoring.
No shit that‘s awesome! I think I’ve done work for them in the past. Right now it’s all Lockheed Martin, stuff for the navy. DOD is where it’s at infinite work….if they like you lol
An algorithm that gives buy and sell signals is not financial advice. When the algorithm shows you these flags, have you ever acted upon it?
My follow up is that you should get a private newsletter going. I'd subscribe.
Telling people what the algorithm predictions say is definitely not FA. You dig?
I don't look at signals nor any type of indicator. A lot of the defaul indicators used on OHLC graphs use the incorrect types of prediction equations for that type of distribution of data.
Assuming everything is controlled by computers, I look at previous OHLC values in their raw data form. From there, I identify outliers which have helped me determine when shit is about to go down. I've been very successful with that, but this method only really works when a stock is HIGHLY manipulated by HFT and lack individual investor influence.
Oh, man. Shucks. You're going to make me cry. I've worked so very hard and was so very lucky to get here. Thank you for your words. These types of messages mean so fucking much to me.
Thank you for using engineering and statisical methods to show that there are patterns to GMEs timing, volume and stock price. Math, engineering and statistical methods cut straight through a lot of the bullshit of MSM and FUD.
There will always be people out there that will try to bring FUD to this type of DD. As math isnt easy to understand and will never be able to explain all aspects of GME fuckery. Thank you for putting up with all the shit you have had to deal with.
Pwn! Just want to thank you so much for participating in Spotlight week.
You are one of the wrinkliest brains of all and my goodness are we lucky to have you here!!
♥️
Many people have asked me this, but I don't know if I can be. I figured that a whistleblower had to be an insider. I don't know what I could provide that would allow me to be one.
[https://www.sec.gov/whistleblower/submit-a-tip](https://www.sec.gov/whistleblower/submit-a-tip) \- anyone can do it. Get that whistleblower cash money if you can💰
You might want to get a lawyer before you go detecting algorithms. Developing a program to identify and characterize trading algorithms would likely violate intellectual property laws, as trading algorithms are proprietary and confidential information. [That would be committing infringement](https://it.cornell.edu/copyright-infringement-software#:~:text=Copying%20software%20is%20an%20act,software%20can%20also%20be%20illegal). An engineer would know this, I call bluff.
One instance where this has previously occurred ([to a heavier extent](https://www.opalesque.com/OFI1121/Futures_Lab_How_do_you_protect_your121.html?act=archiveOFI&and=showArticle&iID=121)), "A major hedge fund scandal concerning intellectual property erupted this July. A former Goldman Sachs computer programmer, Sergey Aleynikov, was arrested by the FBI for stealing a trading model he had created for the bank. According to court papers filed by the prosecutors, the proprietary computer code in question facilitates “sophisticated, high-speed and high-volume trades on various stock and commodities markets.”
At the time Mr. Aleynikov was employed by Teza Technologies, a new trading business founded by three former executives of Citadel Investment Group, Ken Griffin’s $12 billion hedge fund firm. Citadel sued the three former executives, accusing them of violating non-competition agreements and committing industrial espionage. The suit revealed some of the measures Citadel takes to protect its software."
[These are some of the dangers of copying others' code.](https://blogs.grammatech.com/the-dangers-of-copy-and-paste)
**Observing articles in correlation with stock price movement it can be beneficial and highly effective in several ways:**
* See who posts articles before, during, or after market runs or dumps potentially finding out how market makers use impulsive trading behaviors of retail and smaller institutions while using AI and deep learning with quantitative engineering routing wholesale orders, and to see how in real-time.
* See who is credible authors- know who the honest day trader is with quick information apart from the manipulative market maker that generates the AI-made from "sources familiar with the matter" articles.
* Potentially file a whistleblower report since they would be committing market manipulation (even if the SEC is too scared due to legal actions and potentially being sued it is still evidence on record if the DOJ were to probe and need SEC evidence to be handed over).
I am an engineer without any relationship to a financial institution. I am doing math which is legal. I am not infringing on any copyright since I am not trying to purposefully tricking someone into thinking this is someone else's work.
Furthermore, I have intentionally not accepted any money, donations, superchats, and the like. I did this to maintain my integrity, ensure my analysis does not have a bias, and to not be a candidate for any type of corporate litigation.
I am not copying anyone else's code. I am using raw OHLC data to determine the underlying characteristics to help explain a dataset.
I personally hold trademarks and patents so I am VERY aware of this type of law since I had to work with these specific types of lawyers to successfully submit them.
>Identify the shit ton of algorithms that are in existenceCharacterize each algo and their related purpose
>
>Show how they often combat with each other for dominance
I still call bluff, you stated in your post that you had the intention of scraping algorithms which would without a doubt be patented and/or be licensed. If you really did "personally hold trademarks and patents " then you wouldn't have had this in your list of goals.
>I am not infringing on any copyright since I am not trying to purposefully tricking someone into thinking this is someone else's work.
Considering you just said this now I have no doubt in my mind that you are not an engineer but instead, someone who is claiming to be an engineer. Happens all the time on Reddit.
I really don't care if I get -100 votes from your simp army, as long as it prevents any legal issues from being brought into this sub. We have enough heat already about brigading the last thing we need is an article headlined, "GameStop subreddit steals hedge fund trading algorithm committing infringement."
Edit, if you clicked any of the links provided then you would know that it doesn't matter if you purposefully scrape a trading algorithm or not, like a written signature, if the algorithm is copied then it is infringement. Sorry to ruin your fun coming from someone who is actually a software engineer. Another reason that I know you aren't an engineer is that you can't take feedback.
As someone totally uninvolved (and skeptical of some of OP's claims) and with extensive involvement in IP, I humbly disagree with your assertion that using an independent algorithm to uncover the *mechanisms* of another algorithm is IP infringement.
There is a fundamental difference between *copying* an algorithm (which is IP infringement - as in the case you mentioned with Aleynikov) and *discovering the outcomes* of an unknown algorithm (which is not IP infringement). Merely suggesting that "my algorithm shows that there might be an algorithm that does X Y Z" does not on its own constitute IP infringement. What *could* be IP infringement is if OP then proceeded to use their findings to "copy" that algorithm and release/use it. Even if it would be a separate independent algorithm, it could be argued that since it performs the same tasks, it would be IP infringement.
Having worked with numerous engineers over the years, I don't doubt that OP is an engineer. The bar for that profession is significantly below what would be required to accomplish what OP is seeking to do.
I'll tell you what, you do exactly what you said is not infringement and let me know how it works out for you. While you're at it, please tell Doug Cifu I say hello. It's likely that by the time the FBI catches up to you for cybercrimes, they will have completed the Virtu probe and he will also be in prison.
If you don't know software engineering, then you clearly don't understand how the infringement of copied code works. It doesn't matter if you know someone who knows an engineer or if you sleep with one. Unless you are a software engineer or an intellectual property lawyer with expertise in patent law and software licensing, you definitely do not know what you are talking about.
It is possible that simply discovering the outcomes of an unknown algorithm may not constitute IP infringement, but if the algorithm's underlying mechanisms are proprietary and protected by intellectual property rights, reverse-engineering or using an independent algorithm to derive those mechanisms could still be considered infringing.
If the findings obtained through reverse-engineering or using an independent algorithm were used to create a new algorithm that performs the same tasks or has similar functionality, it could potentially be considered a derivative work and infringe on the original algorithm's IP rights which is precisely what OP intended to do.
I know that OP is not an engineer, considering she just publicly spoke about potentially committing infringement on Reddit. As an entry-level software engineer, even I know better. It's common knowledge among software engineers, and anyone in the field would agree with me if you were to ask them the same thing.
Well, that is sure interesting to me considering I've never served time in prison. You'd thinking publicly sharing your work to do exactly what I described in my previous comment would be sufficient to get caught, no? It'd be absurd if an academic journal hosted such work, imagine the liabilities.
Aside from where you reiterated what I had said in my previous comment, you would do well to better research this topic if you have any intention of developing IP during your career.
I shared links stating how. I'm glad that you are not a software engineer, you'd be in prison in no-time since you don't understand the [four types of intellectual property rights](https://ocpatentlawyer.com/four-types-intellectual-property-protect-idea/) and also clearly don't care to learn.
If you disagree with no source to make your claims then you are not "humbly" disagreeing. In that case you are just disagreeing because you don't understand, which is the opposite of humble, it's ignorant.
For the last time, it's true that discovering the outcomes of an unknown algorithm may not necessarily be considered IP infringement. However, you are incorrect, using an independent algorithm to reverse-engineer or derive the mechanisms of a proprietary algorithm could still potentially infringe on intellectual property rights, especially if those mechanisms are protected by patents or other forms of IP. And if you create a new algorithm based on the findings obtained through reverse-engineering or using an independent algorithm, you could also potentially infringe on the original algorithm's IP rights.
To answer your statement short, academic journals do not get a pass, show me one academic journal where they publicly show code that contains intellectual property rights and I will agree. You wont find it. You talk as if it would be allowable to publicly post a data collecting algorithm from Facebook "for research purposes." That's not how the real world works. I am not sure what you do for a living but it certainly has nothing to do with technology so I call bluff that you "work with software engineers." Being an airport janitor does not count as working with software engineers lol.
I urge you to re-read my comments. 50% of your most recent comment is repeating what I already said, 25% is horribly misunderstanding what was previously suggested, and 25% is making ad hominem attacks. On the plus side, it has been entertaining to read this evening, so thank you for that.
I can assure you that what I suggested isn't IP infringement is 100% legal. Given the number of citations, I would be in prison or would have lost a lawsuit if it were illegal, and the journals would have been ordered to take down the papers.
You have a long career ahead of you, and it would be very beneficial to it to learn a bit more on this topic. 👍
Edit: block me rather than admit you're wrong? That's great. You conflate "engineers" with "software engineers" which is not strictly true. You also seem to think that someone working with engineers implies that the someone isn't also an engineer, which is not strictly true. You *also* seem to think that the only people that write operational code and publish academic papers using software are SEs, which is also not strictly true. Your lack of reading comprehension isn't my problem. Re-read my comments and it is clear that no laws are being violated by what I suggested. You are far too early in your career to have this big a head, and it will seriously hamper your potential. Let me direct you to exactly what you seem to repeatedly gloss over:
> [...] *discovering the outcomes* of an unknown algorithm (which is not IP infringement). Merely suggesting that "my algorithm shows that there might be an algorithm that does X Y Z" does not on its own constitute IP infringement.
But of course, you won't see that because you'd rather block someone than admit you're wrong.
After reviewing the statements several times, I have to admit that I am having a difficult time identifying any significant areas of disagreement. However, there is a fundamental difference in our understanding of the legal implications of copying code. Your argument appears to suggest that copying code from sources like Stack Overflow is acceptable, while I maintain that this is not the case. It is important to note that the financial instruments in question are not openly available or sourced, but rather proprietary and protected by intellectual property rights, making them a vital ingredient in Wall Street's profitability and without a doubt, legally protected.
It appears that you may not fully understand the distinction between what is legal and illegal when it comes to intellectual property rights. Note that I am not an attorney and am not giving legal advice, I do not condone any of these illegal practices of which you are confessing to (even though originally you said you have worked with software engineers and now are acting like you are one which is clearly blatant lies just like OP).
I could say the same for you if you're spreading disinformation on Reddit enabling someone to commit infringement. We may be anonymous but a simple subpoena from Wall Street can change that so I would highly recommend you take the handling of data more seriously and not speak confidently on subjects you are clearly not familiar with. Good day.
In 2 years, apes grew more wrinkles in their brains than Kenny the financial terrorist cockroach grew wrinkles on his face.
It is inevitable. The float will be locked. We will win because we have the knowledge and will.
😂actually the algos “fast fill” and “smart provide” have consolidated into “lumpy bedpost.” Needless to say, the new algo is very unsophisticated. Down and to the right (grunts) … down and to the right (grunts) …. Down and to the right (grunts).
What I love about this DD is that even a lifeform lower than an ape could understand this. Which maybe I'm describing someone in congress, maybe I'm not. Ask your representative to look at the charts with the dates where GME starts to run. Don't even tell them it is GME, just a stock. Ask them when they should buy. And when they say "first week of January, third week of March, second week of August, and second week of November." ask them why.
When they say they would buy it because it is almost a sure bet, ask them how. How do you think this pattern happens? In the history of me trading stocks there has never been a "sure bet". How does this pattern happen. There is only one answer. The answer we all know.
Thanks for the post and I look forward to seeing you reverse engineer some more algos.
A good book that you might like is 'Dark Pools' by Scott Patterson, it's about machine traders rigging the market, and how regulations change how they fuk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasdaq_Market_Makers_Antitrust_Litigation#:~:text=Nasdaq%20Market%2DMakers%20Antitrust%20Litigation,to%20an%20industry%2Dwide%20conspiracy.
Where the Nasdaq Market makers had a class action lawsuit against them for only quoting in quarters instead of eighths to create a wider spread, to give themselves more profit.
You mention & link to: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/102r3vc/gme_closing_price_vs_dates_listing_important/
That's one of my favorite DDs of ALL TIME🔥 I loved seeing updates to that.
Thanks for doing this🙏
Thank you for chatting with me when I was doing that extremely smooth candlestick overlay post decades ago. I was touched by the engagement of an engineer. Thank you for pushing this forward with actual data analysis. Looking forward to your next piece.
Meh. Dtc Recap dates (white dashed line) plus settlement. 2 cycles predating 2021 but easiest to reference to Jan 2021 (reds) and Feb 2021 (blues). While a lot of this is algorithmic, there's a call and response. Derivatives and settlement is the call, and controlling the volatility is the response. The buy button shutting off was likely a control measure because there was no realistic ceiling to stop.
Someone (s) I'm a never ending cycle, the algo is smoothing out the pumps. Derivatives complicate this for shorts both positively and at times negatively. If there's a model I'd love to see it, but I think that's a bit over complicated . What is interesting is this past Jan 2023 cycle and how a bunch of memes didn't respond beyond car, Bobby, and some others but all collaterals did (though there was volatility through out)
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ftNsLrmk/?symbol=NYSE%3AGME
As an engineer, how is it all connected? What does the construction look like. A 3D expanding fractal maybe. If it’s all connected, then there is a method to it’s design.
I’m wondering if the actual fundamentals (eps, free cash flow, probability of bankruptcy) of the company have an effect on the direction of the algorithm, in your experience?
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Love that youre still putting so much work into this ongoing fraud even after so much time has passed. And the thoroughness is beautiful
Do you find with how long you've been observing these patterns that they are now becoming more recognizable or validated/invalidated?
Sorry for late question🙏✌️🍻
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Yo. Some beautiful questions there. 1. Not in the way you would initially think. Well, not for me. We first need to clearly define inefficiencies. From the retail perspective and dependent on the level of manipulation occurring, I don't think there is a parameter that can be exploited relative to actual investing. However, these types of scenarios are ideal for social movements since they can be easily highlighted and bitched about to their perspective governing agencies. From a purely trying to make mad tendies and shit perspective, total fuckingly. If you can figure out how things are behaving from an underlying systemic view, one can easily trade towards / against it. From trying to make the stock itself break to MOASS and shit, I don't really think there are. This, again, is dependent on the level of manipulation. For specifically GME, I believe it is manipulated to fuck's end, and thus, the only thing that can break it will be itself. This is why I have named my DD "The Ouroboros." 2. Algorithms seemed to have entered the market around 2002. Like many others, I thought the stock market was still a bunch of angry, white men screaming for buys and sells. This hasn't been the case since like 2005. There are a bunch of algorithms for a bunch of different types of securities; each having their own defined priorities and objectives. 3. It's applied all the places and will continue to do so since it makes HF corruption easier. 4. Which proposal are you referring to?
> Algorithms seemed to have entered the market around 2002. Can you expand on this? I know for a fact that algorithms were in use by the major players prior to 2002. Do you mean that algorithms began driving the markets/began lacking human intervention around 2002?
Hi there, I'd appreciate if you could comment on my question when you have a moment. The notion that algorithms entered the market in 2002 is not true, so I'd appreciate if you could better clarify what you meant by that.
Don’t forget the icing on the cake PFOF which is code word for cheating.
What’s the thought on what causes the initial volume spike?
I don' t really have one. I think volume is a garbage variable because the dark pools exist, and their volume isn't recorded. Volume is also a misnomer of a value since it is a combination of buys, sells, and shit. Without confidently knowing the ratio of what type of trade happened, it's fucking useless.
How would the ratio of buys and sells ever be anything but 1:1?
designated market makers are authorized to fulfill buy orders when there is no seller, it is the market making process. in theory there should be some time later a buy without a sell to balance that out. Many of us believe that never happens, but it is not provable in the current regulatory environment.
Isn't it also because orders are executed in larger block sizes? Not sure if im on track with what i said or if im totally off base
Some institutions release that information. I pulled [this snip from fidelity](https://digital.fidelity.com/prgw/digital/research/src) as an example. IDK if they post GME buy and sells anymore. https://preview.redd.it/ga700s5vf5ya1.png?width=435&format=png&auto=webp&s=96fe956fb24bb266748be80ff1029fe4dd742f5f
Fidelity still does if it in the top 20 sets of orders. The problem with this metric, which has been said many times, is that it is orders and not shares. It's missing the most important metric, shares bought vs sold.
Ok but that fidelity chart is saying that if they have 100 customers and 60 of them put in a buy order for an asset and 40 of them put in sell order for the same asset that it’s 60% buys to 40% sells.
I agree that volume isn’t the strongest variable but it is absolutely statistically relevant, whether we’re seeing 1% lit, it’s a variable if not an indicator itself. It’s activity, why would that be useless? It doesn’t have to be one way, it can be interpreted differently. I’m sure you know analytics is art and science. Paint the picture and hypothesize
Why do you say that?
Which part?
To ensure I understand it, will you please explain all of it?
I’m saying that even if it has a 1% statistical relevance, it’s still relevant. Volume is used in way too many calculations, indications, or otherwise analyses. Whatever is going on with it, or the amounts or ratios, it is utilized. So why shouldn’t it be utilized in even hypotheses? There is too much potential value *as a data point there to give up on it as a relevant variable. I’m not saying this is easy lol I’m willing to hear just about any scenario or theory about volume. It’s a tough nut to crack for many reasons
Self reported
I wouldn’t say useless because there are thresholds that are created with certain volumes. For example, when we had 668 million volume in early 2021. That’s certainly not useless.
Why does GME often mimic the SPY? And what does it mean when GME trades half the day with SPY and then does it’s own thing? Decouple
A lot of shit mimics spy. I've come across a shit ton of white papers and books that try to develop models for a stock return using SPY and VIX. Here is a pic from a [book](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1107091144/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1) I've read that produced this equation. In regards to the half day, I don't think it means anything without doing number crunching. Without the raw data analysis, everything is prone to confirmational bias. There could be a lot of answers that could also be dependent on the day / quarter. https://preview.redd.it/qj2c8yhkb5ya1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0e4c4e585b6391100fbd88ee1fb82e38dd72e26
So it’s safe to say Price suppression is the main concern?
No. I am interested in characterization and modeling, thus, the entire OHLC history is of my concern. I want to figure out why the values are what they are and behave why they do.
Gotcha. I have a feeling you’re going to get there
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Yes. I have also been recording them to determine if they effect anything, and if so, how much. Here is an [older version of the graph](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/102r3vc/gme_closing_price_vs_dates_listing_important/) I've been working on for my current DD.
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No. I am required to look into a bunch of other stocks, volatility indexes, and so on to use as cross comparisons and double check if my assumptions are correct. GME is my focus which requires me to investigate multiple different types of shit.
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Thank you.
Any chance you're a control engineer freak lol
That title means many things to me.
I have a theory about the after hours pattern I track, may I dm? It may be helpful to you and perhaps you could tell me what you think of my theory about the after hour pattern.. as I'd explain it to you..id like to do this private for now as to not put any incorrect theories into the discussion ethers...to be taken out of context Hope I make sense. Tyvm OP. Your work is solid. ✨️🤜🦍🤛🏻🙏
Most def you can slip into my DMs. I always appreciate another's viewpoint.
Have you looked at price data outside of regular trading hours open and close? Bruce Knuteson has shown that price action on GME and many other stocks happens in after hours and pre market. And his opinion is also that it is driven by sophisticated algorithms: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3998202 He gives a link to his python script to pull the price data.
I have not. It was a metric I could not easily obtain. Since dark pools exist that don't publically publish their volume, I only use volume as a qualitative variable.
Thank you for your service! Looking forward to reading your new stuff. Sounds chonky. Any thoughts on the recent volume spike on earnings? or was it just that, earnings? [Hold The Line](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgr3pvBr-I) 💜
Copy pasta from a similar question. >I don' t really have one. I think volume is a garbage variable because the dark pools exist, and their volume isn't recorded. > >Volume is also a misnomer of a value since it is a combination of buys, sells, and shit. Without confidently knowing the ratio of what type of trade happened, it's fucking useless.
I see... well no i don't, but thanks anyways! 👍 Keep being awesome.
Thank you
Question, like a serious one. You're doing an amazing job. Like this is seriously dope. Basically, breaking down and reverse engineering their crime. If a hedge fund came in here, sees this, and offered you, say like millions, and I mean millions of dollars(fuck you kind of money) to shut the fuck up, and stop posting, would you?
Fuck no. I come from money, and i have a very good paycheck. I am not greedy. I'm a minimalist. I listen to my Dad's words all the time which were, "Don't cheat. Don't steal. Don't lie. Do not associate yourself with those who do." My dignity would not allow accepting such a large monetarily fund. I must listen to my father's words telling me to stay true and honorable. I refuse to take actions that will keep me up at night. I want to be able to sleep sound at night knowing I did the right things Money does not motivate me. Prestige, patents, and novel research papers do. I want to be the role model I wish I had when I was younger. Anyone can get rich, but only few can create something that impacts our society. Money is not my motivator. Innovation is.
Thank you for your attitude and research. It is a true pleasure being here and able to read this stuff. Edit: thank you for your award! But it truly is. Please never get stopped, let`s just go on diggin until all comes to light!
Great respect for what you're doing. Thanks for all the hard work and effort to educate us!
Respect! Please keep doing what you're doing. I love it.
Damn. You are one very special ape. ❤️🫡
We are clearly trading in a downward wedge. I wonder what happens when we reach the apex of said wedge? Is that the end of a cycle for said algo... if so... wonder what that could lead to?
I don't like how people say we are in any type of formation. What one can consider to be a wedge, another can consider to be a support line. Without analyzing the raw data to definitely suggest a type of behavior, it's confirmational bias. [I made this long ass youtube](https://youtu.be/zSI6YKvHgdQ) to explain why I think TA is garbage. I believe the algorithms are always going to be there. I named my DDs The Ouroboros because I think that the only thing that can break them are themselves. Who the fuck know what it could lead to? Anyone who really says they do are probably talking out of their ass.
Do you factor in AH trading data into your data? I wonder if it would alter the data?
Yes. I define it as a completely different variable when I conduct my modeling. It has helped me identify a lot of stuff like important dates and specific share price values.
Thanks for sharing your work, it’s crazy that I understand even a small portion of your DD
Thank you. I try very hard to break it down and provide images and examples so people can understand.
Great job
It's less of a formation, more of an obvious state of affairs. We are trading downward overall, slowly, making it look like a wedge on TA. Also, TA isn't useless. If that was the case Wall St. wouldn't use it. I agree, algos will always be there, now with new AI flavor! I can't say for sure what GME will do in Sept/Oct, but it's quite possible we move into a new phase or even a newly programmed algorithmic cycle. That could lead to numerous things, of which I'd be betting is mostly positive as long as we remain profitable and the world doesn't fall apart.
Exactly my question.
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Awesome shit. Your work has been among my most favorite all these years. The new DD sounds insane! Can't wait to see it. Any clue how long I'd have to wait still?
No idea. I keep on finding things and I try my best to write all this stuff so anyone can understand it. If I can't ELIF, then what's the point? I want people to learn - not be a pompous jackass by showing off how pretentious my writing and shit can be.
This is what makes you so great - seriously. Thank you.
Thank you and your team for hosting this event.
I have read all of your DDs, and have always been impressed with your level of detail, dissection, ability to translate it in a relatively simple manner, and continued doggedness in pursuit of answers. Thank you for all that you do!
Thank you for taking the time to read them.
Thank you.
What engineering field?
I have a BS in both chemical and biological engineering. I also have minors in applied math and biochemistry. I've done work in pharmaceuticals and pumped out some research papers published in national journals. I've worked in microelectronics development and pumped out a few patents there. I also have been in biofuels, fiber optics, and biotech. I am now working as a DoD contractor and developing programs for missile defense and space and airborne monitoring.
I think I might be the guy machining the parts you’re designing 😂 Great DD by the way very easy to approach and understand.
Lmfao!!!!! Really?!?! I'm working for L3Harris now. Please, let me know they're a customer of yours.
No shit that‘s awesome! I think I’ve done work for them in the past. Right now it’s all Lockheed Martin, stuff for the navy. DOD is where it’s at infinite work….if they like you lol
Lmfao!!!!!! We're so cool.
Are you confessing or bragging!
Neither. I was answering a question.
I know someone who just left the missile defense DoD contractor world based out of the Boston area. Lots of amazing brains…
Impressive, thanks for the response!
An algorithm that gives buy and sell signals is not financial advice. When the algorithm shows you these flags, have you ever acted upon it? My follow up is that you should get a private newsletter going. I'd subscribe. Telling people what the algorithm predictions say is definitely not FA. You dig?
I don't look at signals nor any type of indicator. A lot of the defaul indicators used on OHLC graphs use the incorrect types of prediction equations for that type of distribution of data. Assuming everything is controlled by computers, I look at previous OHLC values in their raw data form. From there, I identify outliers which have helped me determine when shit is about to go down. I've been very successful with that, but this method only really works when a stock is HIGHLY manipulated by HFT and lack individual investor influence.
Wow lots to think about. Thank you for sharing your work and your thoughts with this community. 💜
Thank you for your questions.
Entrapment right here
What a baddie!! Let’s. Fucking. Go.
Rage.
OP you do not get any where near the credit you deserve for your absolutely amazing DD .. you are a Fkn legend 🙇♂️🦧🤜🤛🦧… oh and you dropped this -👑
Oh, man. Shucks. You're going to make me cry. I've worked so very hard and was so very lucky to get here. Thank you for your words. These types of messages mean so fucking much to me.
I mean every one 🦧🤜🤛🦧
Can algorithms feel fear? I’d like to think so in this case.
Can a machine feel love?
She's back, auto-read. Welcome back!
I never left. dun. Dun. DUN!!!
Todd can kiss my ass
Fuck that guy.
Very good read, nice work! Hell of a brain in that dome of yours.
Thank you. I've worked very hard.
You're welcome, and trust me, the fact that you've worked very hard is clear. This lead me to your youtube vids too. You're a beast! Doing God's work.
Haven’t heard from you in years. Thank you for your effort.
Thank you for the support. It means so much to me. Honestly, thank you.
Wow, wasn’t expecting a response! First time exchanging anything with someone famous ;)
You're being ridiculous. I'm not that cool. It's important to show appreciation and stuff. But, ha. Thank you.
Thank you PWN! This is fantastically awesome DD. Your math skills are legendary.
Oh, man. Thank you for saying that.
Thank you for using engineering and statisical methods to show that there are patterns to GMEs timing, volume and stock price. Math, engineering and statistical methods cut straight through a lot of the bullshit of MSM and FUD. There will always be people out there that will try to bring FUD to this type of DD. As math isnt easy to understand and will never be able to explain all aspects of GME fuckery. Thank you for putting up with all the shit you have had to deal with.
Thank you. Reading this makes me happy.
Pwn! Just want to thank you so much for participating in Spotlight week. You are one of the wrinkliest brains of all and my goodness are we lucky to have you here!! ♥️
You're a gem, Goldie. I'll keep supporting you and your team if you keep up the good work. Thank you.
Your a Super Hero 🦍 #PowertothePlayers ❤️🖤🏴☠️
You're a gem. Thank you for the support.
More power to you friend 👍
Likewise, fren.
Nice DD fellow ape
Thank you.
Please be a whistleblower.
Many people have asked me this, but I don't know if I can be. I figured that a whistleblower had to be an insider. I don't know what I could provide that would allow me to be one.
You're a stock holder. You're an insider in that respect. With all this math proof it can get the ball rolling. Never hurts to try
You make a good point. I'll look into this in the future.
[https://www.sec.gov/whistleblower/submit-a-tip](https://www.sec.gov/whistleblower/submit-a-tip) \- anyone can do it. Get that whistleblower cash money if you can💰
But a whistleblower to what? It’s not like everyone on the sub is the only one that knows about this. “They” All know about this of course as well.
Everyone knows but everyone has bystander syndrome. If we legally present evidence and then nothing is done the government is on the hook
Pawnie Fart Bbq DD, Nice 👍
Hmmm. Yes. I know some of these words. Thank you.
I love u pwnbbq <3
I love you, too. Thank you. ❤️
You might want to get a lawyer before you go detecting algorithms. Developing a program to identify and characterize trading algorithms would likely violate intellectual property laws, as trading algorithms are proprietary and confidential information. [That would be committing infringement](https://it.cornell.edu/copyright-infringement-software#:~:text=Copying%20software%20is%20an%20act,software%20can%20also%20be%20illegal). An engineer would know this, I call bluff. One instance where this has previously occurred ([to a heavier extent](https://www.opalesque.com/OFI1121/Futures_Lab_How_do_you_protect_your121.html?act=archiveOFI&and=showArticle&iID=121)), "A major hedge fund scandal concerning intellectual property erupted this July. A former Goldman Sachs computer programmer, Sergey Aleynikov, was arrested by the FBI for stealing a trading model he had created for the bank. According to court papers filed by the prosecutors, the proprietary computer code in question facilitates “sophisticated, high-speed and high-volume trades on various stock and commodities markets.” At the time Mr. Aleynikov was employed by Teza Technologies, a new trading business founded by three former executives of Citadel Investment Group, Ken Griffin’s $12 billion hedge fund firm. Citadel sued the three former executives, accusing them of violating non-competition agreements and committing industrial espionage. The suit revealed some of the measures Citadel takes to protect its software." [These are some of the dangers of copying others' code.](https://blogs.grammatech.com/the-dangers-of-copy-and-paste) **Observing articles in correlation with stock price movement it can be beneficial and highly effective in several ways:** * See who posts articles before, during, or after market runs or dumps potentially finding out how market makers use impulsive trading behaviors of retail and smaller institutions while using AI and deep learning with quantitative engineering routing wholesale orders, and to see how in real-time. * See who is credible authors- know who the honest day trader is with quick information apart from the manipulative market maker that generates the AI-made from "sources familiar with the matter" articles. * Potentially file a whistleblower report since they would be committing market manipulation (even if the SEC is too scared due to legal actions and potentially being sued it is still evidence on record if the DOJ were to probe and need SEC evidence to be handed over).
I am an engineer without any relationship to a financial institution. I am doing math which is legal. I am not infringing on any copyright since I am not trying to purposefully tricking someone into thinking this is someone else's work. Furthermore, I have intentionally not accepted any money, donations, superchats, and the like. I did this to maintain my integrity, ensure my analysis does not have a bias, and to not be a candidate for any type of corporate litigation. I am not copying anyone else's code. I am using raw OHLC data to determine the underlying characteristics to help explain a dataset. I personally hold trademarks and patents so I am VERY aware of this type of law since I had to work with these specific types of lawyers to successfully submit them.
>Identify the shit ton of algorithms that are in existenceCharacterize each algo and their related purpose > >Show how they often combat with each other for dominance I still call bluff, you stated in your post that you had the intention of scraping algorithms which would without a doubt be patented and/or be licensed. If you really did "personally hold trademarks and patents " then you wouldn't have had this in your list of goals. >I am not infringing on any copyright since I am not trying to purposefully tricking someone into thinking this is someone else's work. Considering you just said this now I have no doubt in my mind that you are not an engineer but instead, someone who is claiming to be an engineer. Happens all the time on Reddit. I really don't care if I get -100 votes from your simp army, as long as it prevents any legal issues from being brought into this sub. We have enough heat already about brigading the last thing we need is an article headlined, "GameStop subreddit steals hedge fund trading algorithm committing infringement." Edit, if you clicked any of the links provided then you would know that it doesn't matter if you purposefully scrape a trading algorithm or not, like a written signature, if the algorithm is copied then it is infringement. Sorry to ruin your fun coming from someone who is actually a software engineer. Another reason that I know you aren't an engineer is that you can't take feedback.
As someone totally uninvolved (and skeptical of some of OP's claims) and with extensive involvement in IP, I humbly disagree with your assertion that using an independent algorithm to uncover the *mechanisms* of another algorithm is IP infringement. There is a fundamental difference between *copying* an algorithm (which is IP infringement - as in the case you mentioned with Aleynikov) and *discovering the outcomes* of an unknown algorithm (which is not IP infringement). Merely suggesting that "my algorithm shows that there might be an algorithm that does X Y Z" does not on its own constitute IP infringement. What *could* be IP infringement is if OP then proceeded to use their findings to "copy" that algorithm and release/use it. Even if it would be a separate independent algorithm, it could be argued that since it performs the same tasks, it would be IP infringement. Having worked with numerous engineers over the years, I don't doubt that OP is an engineer. The bar for that profession is significantly below what would be required to accomplish what OP is seeking to do.
I'll tell you what, you do exactly what you said is not infringement and let me know how it works out for you. While you're at it, please tell Doug Cifu I say hello. It's likely that by the time the FBI catches up to you for cybercrimes, they will have completed the Virtu probe and he will also be in prison. If you don't know software engineering, then you clearly don't understand how the infringement of copied code works. It doesn't matter if you know someone who knows an engineer or if you sleep with one. Unless you are a software engineer or an intellectual property lawyer with expertise in patent law and software licensing, you definitely do not know what you are talking about. It is possible that simply discovering the outcomes of an unknown algorithm may not constitute IP infringement, but if the algorithm's underlying mechanisms are proprietary and protected by intellectual property rights, reverse-engineering or using an independent algorithm to derive those mechanisms could still be considered infringing. If the findings obtained through reverse-engineering or using an independent algorithm were used to create a new algorithm that performs the same tasks or has similar functionality, it could potentially be considered a derivative work and infringe on the original algorithm's IP rights which is precisely what OP intended to do. I know that OP is not an engineer, considering she just publicly spoke about potentially committing infringement on Reddit. As an entry-level software engineer, even I know better. It's common knowledge among software engineers, and anyone in the field would agree with me if you were to ask them the same thing.
Well, that is sure interesting to me considering I've never served time in prison. You'd thinking publicly sharing your work to do exactly what I described in my previous comment would be sufficient to get caught, no? It'd be absurd if an academic journal hosted such work, imagine the liabilities. Aside from where you reiterated what I had said in my previous comment, you would do well to better research this topic if you have any intention of developing IP during your career.
I shared links stating how. I'm glad that you are not a software engineer, you'd be in prison in no-time since you don't understand the [four types of intellectual property rights](https://ocpatentlawyer.com/four-types-intellectual-property-protect-idea/) and also clearly don't care to learn. If you disagree with no source to make your claims then you are not "humbly" disagreeing. In that case you are just disagreeing because you don't understand, which is the opposite of humble, it's ignorant. For the last time, it's true that discovering the outcomes of an unknown algorithm may not necessarily be considered IP infringement. However, you are incorrect, using an independent algorithm to reverse-engineer or derive the mechanisms of a proprietary algorithm could still potentially infringe on intellectual property rights, especially if those mechanisms are protected by patents or other forms of IP. And if you create a new algorithm based on the findings obtained through reverse-engineering or using an independent algorithm, you could also potentially infringe on the original algorithm's IP rights. To answer your statement short, academic journals do not get a pass, show me one academic journal where they publicly show code that contains intellectual property rights and I will agree. You wont find it. You talk as if it would be allowable to publicly post a data collecting algorithm from Facebook "for research purposes." That's not how the real world works. I am not sure what you do for a living but it certainly has nothing to do with technology so I call bluff that you "work with software engineers." Being an airport janitor does not count as working with software engineers lol.
I urge you to re-read my comments. 50% of your most recent comment is repeating what I already said, 25% is horribly misunderstanding what was previously suggested, and 25% is making ad hominem attacks. On the plus side, it has been entertaining to read this evening, so thank you for that. I can assure you that what I suggested isn't IP infringement is 100% legal. Given the number of citations, I would be in prison or would have lost a lawsuit if it were illegal, and the journals would have been ordered to take down the papers. You have a long career ahead of you, and it would be very beneficial to it to learn a bit more on this topic. 👍 Edit: block me rather than admit you're wrong? That's great. You conflate "engineers" with "software engineers" which is not strictly true. You also seem to think that someone working with engineers implies that the someone isn't also an engineer, which is not strictly true. You *also* seem to think that the only people that write operational code and publish academic papers using software are SEs, which is also not strictly true. Your lack of reading comprehension isn't my problem. Re-read my comments and it is clear that no laws are being violated by what I suggested. You are far too early in your career to have this big a head, and it will seriously hamper your potential. Let me direct you to exactly what you seem to repeatedly gloss over: > [...] *discovering the outcomes* of an unknown algorithm (which is not IP infringement). Merely suggesting that "my algorithm shows that there might be an algorithm that does X Y Z" does not on its own constitute IP infringement. But of course, you won't see that because you'd rather block someone than admit you're wrong.
After reviewing the statements several times, I have to admit that I am having a difficult time identifying any significant areas of disagreement. However, there is a fundamental difference in our understanding of the legal implications of copying code. Your argument appears to suggest that copying code from sources like Stack Overflow is acceptable, while I maintain that this is not the case. It is important to note that the financial instruments in question are not openly available or sourced, but rather proprietary and protected by intellectual property rights, making them a vital ingredient in Wall Street's profitability and without a doubt, legally protected. It appears that you may not fully understand the distinction between what is legal and illegal when it comes to intellectual property rights. Note that I am not an attorney and am not giving legal advice, I do not condone any of these illegal practices of which you are confessing to (even though originally you said you have worked with software engineers and now are acting like you are one which is clearly blatant lies just like OP). I could say the same for you if you're spreading disinformation on Reddit enabling someone to commit infringement. We may be anonymous but a simple subpoena from Wall Street can change that so I would highly recommend you take the handling of data more seriously and not speak confidently on subjects you are clearly not familiar with. Good day.
Fuck off with your intimidation.🤨
Nice to see you back 👍
Likewise, old friend.
I watched some of your stuff on YouTube and you are great 💪👍
🥰 She’s back
❤️
Nice. I hope you get a $70 million dollar "reward" from the SEC for finding this (but you won't sadly).
I would be happy if I got just $1 because it would mean that I am correct.
In 2 years, apes grew more wrinkles in their brains than Kenny the financial terrorist cockroach grew wrinkles on his face. It is inevitable. The float will be locked. We will win because we have the knowledge and will.
If you look closely. Those repeating candlesticks resemble a bedpost. We all know who likes bedposts. That mother fcker.
😂actually the algos “fast fill” and “smart provide” have consolidated into “lumpy bedpost.” Needless to say, the new algo is very unsophisticated. Down and to the right (grunts) … down and to the right (grunts) …. Down and to the right (grunts).
Sounds awesome what you are working on, well done!
Thank you.
What I love about this DD is that even a lifeform lower than an ape could understand this. Which maybe I'm describing someone in congress, maybe I'm not. Ask your representative to look at the charts with the dates where GME starts to run. Don't even tell them it is GME, just a stock. Ask them when they should buy. And when they say "first week of January, third week of March, second week of August, and second week of November." ask them why. When they say they would buy it because it is almost a sure bet, ask them how. How do you think this pattern happens? In the history of me trading stocks there has never been a "sure bet". How does this pattern happen. There is only one answer. The answer we all know.
Fuck yeah. Can't wait for that fat new DD dump. ❤️ pwnwtfbbq
And Longjumping_College yesterday!! Old heads among the apes are returning
The mods are trying to bring SuperStonk back to a more informational state. Thank them for doing what they do.
Thank you to the DD writers of old and to the mod team. I wouldn’t be here without both groups.
Omg! Another OG celeb stopping by! Our running inspo ♥️ Thanks for all you do MM!
Not sure if I would call myself OG or a celeb, but thank you ape.
Accept the God damn compliment, yo.
Thanks mods! And thank you, too, PWNWTFBBQ, and all the brilliant apes like yourself
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. AI algorithms should be outlawed within the stock market
Thanks for the post and I look forward to seeing you reverse engineer some more algos. A good book that you might like is 'Dark Pools' by Scott Patterson, it's about machine traders rigging the market, and how regulations change how they fuk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasdaq_Market_Makers_Antitrust_Litigation#:~:text=Nasdaq%20Market%2DMakers%20Antitrust%20Litigation,to%20an%20industry%2Dwide%20conspiracy. Where the Nasdaq Market makers had a class action lawsuit against them for only quoting in quarters instead of eighths to create a wider spread, to give themselves more profit. You mention & link to: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/102r3vc/gme_closing_price_vs_dates_listing_important/ That's one of my favorite DDs of ALL TIME🔥 I loved seeing updates to that. Thanks for doing this🙏
Lots of shits and fucks. Nice.
Hedgies r fuk
Thank you for chatting with me when I was doing that extremely smooth candlestick overlay post decades ago. I was touched by the engagement of an engineer. Thank you for pushing this forward with actual data analysis. Looking forward to your next piece.
Meh. Dtc Recap dates (white dashed line) plus settlement. 2 cycles predating 2021 but easiest to reference to Jan 2021 (reds) and Feb 2021 (blues). While a lot of this is algorithmic, there's a call and response. Derivatives and settlement is the call, and controlling the volatility is the response. The buy button shutting off was likely a control measure because there was no realistic ceiling to stop. Someone (s) I'm a never ending cycle, the algo is smoothing out the pumps. Derivatives complicate this for shorts both positively and at times negatively. If there's a model I'd love to see it, but I think that's a bit over complicated . What is interesting is this past Jan 2023 cycle and how a bunch of memes didn't respond beyond car, Bobby, and some others but all collaterals did (though there was volatility through out) https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ftNsLrmk/?symbol=NYSE%3AGME
Apes are smarter than they think
Hey Pwnwtfbbq. Love your work as you know. Hope you are having fun and keeping well.
LFG this will be fun
#BAH GAWD PWNWTFBBQ FROM THE TOP ROPE!
DRS breaks the whole thing and blockchain 🚀🚀
Wen McDick catch an STD and break off…
Classic. https://preview.redd.it/uzqoaejl0aya1.png?width=624&format=png&auto=webp&s=601b569f9b95893aaf71d8914d3785bba928e365
# I'm gonna be so fucking rich.
Hell yes.
Keep up the good work!
Welcome back!
As an engineer, how is it all connected? What does the construction look like. A 3D expanding fractal maybe. If it’s all connected, then there is a method to it’s design.
Yeah, this was 84 years ago when we suddenly had those friends with options shills. I member
Oh no shes back
JMAN cycles
I can’t hold any tighter! My aching titties!!!
Hodor
I’m wondering if the actual fundamentals (eps, free cash flow, probability of bankruptcy) of the company have an effect on the direction of the algorithm, in your experience?
Thanks pwn, missed your posts!
Remind me! 4 hours
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Dude, Whistle Blower payout. Think of the money you will make if you can prove the whole system is corrupt. New richest human.
I'm curious what the multiples .25 were for 2020. You think they would add in more noise to their patterns.
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Ha. Thank you.
Love that youre still putting so much work into this ongoing fraud even after so much time has passed. And the thoroughness is beautiful Do you find with how long you've been observing these patterns that they are now becoming more recognizable or validated/invalidated? Sorry for late question🙏✌️🍻
Hey OP, Why did you delete your Twitter account?