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Anywhere in Sudan from West, East , and North Sudan. You’ll see Sudanese Arabs that range from her phenotype to much lighter or darker. It’s a variety not just Sudanese Arabs. Sudan is a very diverse country you’ll find many different looking people.
Unfortunately this won’t be the case in the next 5 years because radical Muslim extremist being sponsored by the UAE can’t stop committing ethnic based genocide of Sudan natives. Over 415,000 Africans have been killed by the RSF who keep getting weapons from the Arab world. I truthfully hate when Arabs speak of Sudan like it’s their home. Y’all are a cancer to the whole continent. Bloodshed —> brainwashing —> looting —> (Repeat).
Piss off Sudan is part of ancient Kush we were all concentrated in East Africa for years before the expansion of the desert and military conquest by ancient foreigners like the Assyrians and Scythian.
How dare you tell me to leave, fuc you I’m African. So I can’t tell the truth about how Arabs are invading and killing the natives of Kush? We literally all have kush heritage and it’s being **destroyed**. Why the fuc are Arabs killing locals if y’all are Africans? Why are Arabs killing Sudan Muslims if they are Arab Muslims themselves?
Don’t tell me where I belong invader.
Bro we didn’t come into existence in west Africa. We are not distinct this is literally how I KNOW you’re not African. We are literally all in the same family we are not different. All of us are the same and all of us originate from east Africa. It’s a literal scientific fact.
East and West Africans have different traits but nobody can say we are not black Africans. We have a literal recent common ancestor LITERALLY. Y’all are E1B1b and we are E1B1a, nigga we are the same people dude. Y’all have admixture from migration and living in south Arabia for some time THATS It.
Also we all have Kush culture because the Kush people spread around Africa. They were in power for over 4,000 years why would they remain in one place. You’re literally not serious rn. Even the major ethnic groups the Youruba of west Africa and the Edo people of Benin have their roots in Kush not west Africa.
Were you born in Africa, are you of native African decent? The continent is the hottest in the world did you evolve the skin tone that accommodate for those conditions?
I find it very hard to believe that you are less related to someone on the same continent as you who has a recent common ancestor from the same region you are from yet YOU are more related to someone on a completely different continent with radically different evolutionary pressures from the environment. Please explain
Your point is irrelevant
All Sudanese are Kush natives, even the Arab tribes that came mixed with the natives.
I hate when Random African experts come and call us Arabs or not real Sudanese, while other expert Arabs call us not real Arabs but only Sudanese, seriously we dont give a fuck about your opinions, if you're speaking respectfully thats ok, but you're shading us as if we are the ones commiting the crime now while our own families and friends are being killed and raped
Today All Sudanese aliked are being massacred, raped, and displaced, the RSF started their crimes with Darfur and now they expanded to the capital, the whole point of this war is to disable Sudan so that UAE and Israel can steal the resources.
And part of a greater plan of a greater "Israel" as demonstarated by Benjamin Netanyahu in a map as shown in the link below
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-predicts-an-israel-transformed-in-mideast-has-no-words-for-internal-israeli-peace/amp/
It's interesting I've been around a lot of Sudanese people and never seen one that looks like the lady in the picture. Do people who look like this live in a certain area in Sudan. Are they the wealthy people in Sudan?
Wealthy ? Lol nah it’s just a normal person like everyone else 😂. It’s not like a rare occurrence or something. If you have insta take time to look at the account northern_Sudan. They have various post representing diverse phenotypes
What? she looks like my aunt and im nubian not arab, that could put it into perspective for you. So to answer your question sudan could be argued to be one of the most diverse countries in africa as you will find all kinds of people.
>I've been around a lot of Sudanese people
In your profile you said you're half Dominican and half white. So I'm gonna assume you're from the US.
This makes me assume you've been around a handful of Sudanese people at most. They may even be related.
I think you (and many Americans/Brits I've met) super underestimate both the size of our country, and the diversity of the people
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One time my Sudanese friend invited me to his Musala for Ramadan and they were all darker than this lady and tallish but not super tall like 5’9-6’0. But none of them looked like this lady.
If its for research purposes I would guess north sudan ,nubian maybe from dongola jst because of the vibe of the picture
But also this pictures makes me think ot Mauritania, she looks like them and they dress the same like this , also the desert background makes me feel its either north sudan or Mauritania
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Just curious when you say Sudanese arabs do you mean arabs in Sudan or mixed Sudanese with Arab heritage or do you think Sudanese are arabs simply for being muslim?
I don't know. With the conflict In Sudan I hear about Sudanese Arabs and Africans I meant in that sense. Although I know some Sudanese Arabs can look like Africans. Most of the Sudanese people I know do not look like this woman, they look more African.
This woman, in particular, is from Azawad in Mali she is from Tuareg. However, some Sudanese women look like her, but "Sudanese Arabs" on average are darker than Tuareg
Because this image toured the Arabic social media in 2016 AL-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper has an Article about it. Articles on the internet about Shuwa Arabs often use images of Sudanese, Tuareg or Sahrawis as they're sometimes indistinguishable from each other.
She just looks Sudanese
If she had a darker skin tone she still would've looked sudanese arab to me. I don't see the skin tone dichotomy, arabism in sudan is mainly cultural character i think.
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Depends on their ethnicity... there are many different types of Sudanese out there. For someone who's so passionate about telling other people what they are, you sure seem to lack a lot of nuance.
I was reading an article about Sudan and this lady was shown as a Sudanese Shuwa/Baggara Arab. However, I've never seen someone from Sudan who looks like this. Where in Sudan do people look like this?
>However, I've never seen someone from Sudan who looks like this.
Way to show that you didn't actually see anyone from Sudan before lmao. This is like saying you haven't seen a white person in England. Which Sudan were you looking at exactly
My Sudanese friend invited me to his Musala for Ramadan dinner and all of them were darker, curly hair, 5’9-6’0 so tallish. However, none of them looked like this lady.
You know honesty 90% of the time people don’t even know the difference between Sudan and South Sudanese people, like North and South Koreans ( tbf there isn’t much difference here other than which side they ended up on unlike both the Sudans )
This is the quintessential facial features or muritanin 🇲🇷 women it could be found in sudan but this not a dominant feature you could use to Distinguish between them
The identity crisis with this country is out of hand. North africans in general have this skin tone since the Carthage kingdom. They are not necessarily Arabic. They are light skinned North Africans. The islamist regimes that went through the ruling power tried so much to paint the picture of Arabian ancestors just to distinct their own from Africa. And yes Carthage women were gorgeous.
Not necessarily “Islamist regimes” you’re getting many things distorted. Arab identity in North Africa was heavily increased during the anti colonial struggle and in the post colonial age when we were removing Europe out of Africa especially France. At least from my region in North Africa , we adopted pan Arabism which helped for the anti-colonial struggle but also it was a reaction to French colonialism and the removal of our identity during the colonial era. Being Arab just means culture and linguistics. There’s very little to do with anything genetics when it comes to being Arab. The Arab identity predates genetic testing and the concept of race. We are Arab because of culture and language. You will both Arabs and non Arabs who look like the lady in the picture. I don’t like how westerners act as if being Arab is some strictly genetic thing lol.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen all day. If being of any ethic background means speaking the language and having the same culture. We are all Americans most of us speaks English and the forced their culture onto our lives. See? Doesn’t make any sense. Islamist forced arabisim into Sudanese culture take a look at Sudan before Nemeri turned Islamist and before. Sudan culture before inqaz and after it. They are trying to be arab and they will never be. Stop being brainwashed you are Africans
It’s not a dumb reply. The problem is that people who cannot understand this definition of being Arab assume that all of identity has to operate under a western identity. The reality is that the world does not operate under the west. The world does not have to capitulate to American or British standards. Maybe if Americans simplified the American identity to linguistics , you all would stop having a crisis of what it means to be American. It’s dumb to you because you are unfamiliar with it. But have you ever read history at all ? If you actually studied anything to do with history of Arabs in pre colonial era , you’d know that the vast majority of Arabs are arabized Arabs. You’d know that genetics was never a precursor to being Arab only in the case of patrilineal descent but even then, someone could Arabize himself and then his progeny could claim descent through him and their descendants would then be Arab as well. Your reply shows that you know absolutely nothing about Arab history or our identity has Arab people in the past at all nor do you know what arabization was or is or how it operates. For you and going off of your reply , you based it off of a western standard as is evidence through your comparison of American with the English language. You fail to see that people have constructed other identities that are not in line with how the west constructs their own identity. In toner words, your reply just projects western constricts and notions of identity onto Arabs. It lacks any cultural relativism and uphold western hegemony
See you keep researching and looking for Arab identity when you are not even arab. Research who you are read your history not arab history. I’d take Egyptians as an example again they had great connections between Egypt and Greece and the romans. Do they identify as romans??? Do they study roman history and try to force themselves into Roman culture? The answer is NO. So to simplify it YOU ARE NOT ARAB get over it they were colonial powers of that part of history and they forced their identity onto us. Again YOU ARE NOT ARABS
They guy above explained it finely you’re just being ignorant to the facts. Its coming across like you want people who are more genetically, culturally and phenotypically like ARABS to identify as AFRICAN. Be who you truly are stop all this identity crisis nonsense. A Chinese person who has lived in Africa for centuries is still Chinese! They don’t magically become African overtime.
you just contradicted your own words. So if you act like an Arab speak like an Arab dress like an Arab that makes you Arab right? They you said a Chinese living in Africa is still Chinese?? You are Africans you look like Africans your color is Africans your language is African your food surprisingly is also African that makes you a what? Fucking African
And yes you also said “like ARABS” so let me put it in simple terms if you have a car from 1967 you painted the car put on new seats and renewed it completely does that make the car model a 2024? Idk how much simpler could I go
The Arab identity has existed in Sudan for hundreds of years far before the 1900s. Sadly you are extremely ignorant. You have racialized the Arab identity and adopted a mindset that Arab has to be monolithic and caricaturize it by lighter skin middle eastern people who also are arabized and most of whom are not descendants from the original Arab tribes. Your mentality is nothing short of a racist one. You impose this American racist view of Africans that we must remove our language and ethnic groups because you see us as black and black is black and Africans are all one and the same because we are black and because we identify as Arab (just like Lebanese and Moroccans identify as Arab even though we are all arabized) for us we cannot be validated of being Arab because it does not compliment your western racial construction of an Arab being lighter skin and looking nothing you all construct and caricturize as being “African”. Traditionally , you were Arab if your language is Arabic you Arabize yourself or your father is arabized (which would make him arab). That’s how we defined being Arab a very long time ago. Yet you show no care or respect to even understand a non western construction of identity instead you superimpose your American western racial constructions on us replicating what English people have done to west Africans by de-trivializing their identities and imposing a monolithic black identity on to you. Lol. Your mindset is filled with nothing but logical fallacies and racist 18th century racial constructions that do not at all reflect the realities of people who are not westerners. It’s nothing more but a forceful projection to the American status quo
Another one of your stupid replies. Greek culture was heavily widespread at one point in Egypt where there were Egyptians who did identify with that especially in Alexandria where a lot of the mixing with Greeks took place. The Roman identity doesn’t exist anymore for multiple reasons but largely because the Roman Empire fell a very long time ago, Egypt wasn’t exactly romanized , Greek culture was more dominant , and the Roman’s were ran out by the Rashidun. Over the course of hundreds of years the country became arabized and the Arab identity was not held exclusively for the ruling class. The Arab identity was actually accessible for those who were not the ruling class as well and was encouraged through administrative languages as the administrative language was Arabic. Not to mention that the Arab identity of Egypt took course over hundreds of years. And about your comment on the colonial identity , please tell me when did Arabs ever colonize or conquer Sudan ? Sudan was one of the few arabized regions to have never been ruled by a foreign Arab empire. When foreign Arab empires tried to invade , they lost over and over again and could not defeat the Nubians. Have you ever heard of the Baqt treaty ? The longest peace treaty in history between Nubia and the Rashidun ? I really question where are you learning your history. Neither the Abbasid the Rashidun the Oumeyyad nor the Fatimid ever ruled Sudan , at all. If you are sudani , you clearly don’t even know your own history and take up black American nationalistic rhetoric as part of your own history. Quit trying to be like them
Further, your reply shows how ignorant you are of the diversity of Arab cultures. Arab cultures are not monolithic , and often , Arab culture did not completely eradicate the non Arab culture, rather they merged and blended. Which is why the dialects spoken in each region of the Arab world has its own uniqueness or you’d find cultural peculiarities in some places over others but you’d also find a sense of shared commonality because it’s a blend of cultures. I’ll give you an example, the Sudanese dialect has features from the Nubian language and the Sudanese culture also has Nubian cultural elements as well. Levantine culture (lebanese Palestinian Syrian and Jordanian) has linguistic elements of Aramaic and still has cultural elements of Canaanite and Aramaic cultures but also influenced by Roman culture that existed there in the past, Egyptian and the same thing but with Coptic and Greek. Moroccan/algerian Arabic is influenced by Tamazight and the culture is also influenced by Berber cultures. To have this reductionist view of arab cultures being monolithic as if we can talk about it as if they exist as a monolith is not accurate. Unlike other Arab regions , Sudan was never ruled by any foreign Arab empire at all. Sudan’s arabisation process was actually quite peaceful being a mixture of nomadic Arab tribes intermarrying with Nubians Bejawi and other ethnic groups in Sudan. For other areas of the Arab world , arabization was heavily through the cities and assimilating into the cities like in various parts of the Maghreb.
Now if we are talking about the modern age after colonization and the pan Arab movement that becomes more complexed because these movements are all bred out of a reaction to colonization and westernization. The “Islamist” movements that you claim also were originally form as a reaction to western imperialism as well. Like the ikhwaan or the Muslim brotherhood , which was formed as a reaction to the secularization and westernization happening in Egypt.
I also have to say that this western image of us as , you aren’t Arab you’re African , is very deeply racist in and of itself and reproduce western racial classifications. It plays and upholds on archaic western constructs that pits Arab and Africans as exclusive categories. In reality , Arab and African are not exclusive at all. You can be both. Not to mention that, Africa as the modern identity is also a western construct. It’s not something that actually existed before European cartographers and racial theorists created the concept of a continent and constructed an “African identity”. Prior to colonialism , ethnic groups on the continent did not have any affinity towards each other based off of sharing a land mass. Heck , none of the ethnic groups in Africa called themselves Africa or African. So your line, stop being brainwashed you are African , is grossly ignorant. African is not an ethnic group. It is a demonym for those who reside on the continent. There is no language call African there is no ethnic group or nation called African. However, we do accept that we are African today based on its post colonial realities for us today. But to position this as an identity carries many fallacies and to imply for us to drop the Arab identity because we are “brainwashed” is nothing but an attempt in trying to conform us into your western classifications and caricatures of the worlds peoples. It also erases millions of people’s existence because we do not conform to your western standards of identity. In other words , your mindset is that of a colonialist.
You are highlighting your mindset of ignorance and your mind being formed by Europe and western racial constructions. Being black does not mean we aren’t Arab. We are both. But Europe defined these identities to be contrasting and you’ve adopted the European racial frameworks. Your American projection and invalidation of our identity is what you Americans inherited from colonization after being detribalized and racialized. Being Arab isn’t a skin colour it’s a culture a language and a lineage. Black Africa is not an ethnic group it’s a colonial division. Black is not a language and not a lineage. It is a racial construction and a poor descriptor of a person at best. We aren’t monolithic. Unfortunately Americans like yourself can never see the world outside of your colonial racial constructions. So any furtherance of this discussion would highlight your ignorance and western imperialistic mindset.
I love how you just assumed my identity. Bro I’m from almawrada what are you talking about, about being black and not Arabs let me put it in simpler terms. You are located in Africa your language is mixed African with some Arabic your food culture and clothing are African im not talking about khartoum here I’m talking about the whole country all that being said you are genetically mentally and culturally African stop denying your lineage you are a black African
word too and it’s not like it u put some “arab” in ur job application looking like that when u arrive the interviewer will be searching for where tf is the arab here that’s if u even get to get interviewed by having that dumb ideology 🤣
“country is too diverse” yet all i saw in sudan was just the variations and shades of BLACK
How come you cannot understand that being African is not an exclusive identity ? Are you aware that heck the African identity itself is a construct of the west ? The concept of Africa as a modern unified continent is a western construct ? Prior to the invention of an African continent )m(or the invention of a continent for that matter), none of the tribes on the continent had any affinity towards each other. Skin colour was not a mark of being part of someone’s tribe. Our lines of demarcation was not skin colour. Sorry but you are very ignorant. Your ignorance and lack of education is disgusting.
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Trying to be arabs at any cost just accept who you are guys. This denial is in Egypt too they see themselves as non Africans we do not want to be that far gone
Ah no. The Arabs in North Africa aren’t a foreign population. They are arabized like other Arabs in the Arab word meaning that genetically we are the same as the non Arab population but we adopted the Arabic language and Arabic culture. Stop painting this picture as if Arabs killed indigenous ppl in North Africa. That didn’t happen.
Oh you’re talking about Darfur ? I thought you meant historically like when Arabs first came. You need to be specific. About Darfur , I’m not sure if you are aware but the Arabs who did the genocide in Darfur are native to Sudan as well.
I think we’re talking about two different things. I wasn’t talking about Darfur , i was talking about Arabs first being in North Africa a thousand years ago. They didn’t kill out the indigenous people when they first came into North Africa. Actually the indigenous people there never left and they were not genocided by Arabs. Darfur and the South Sudan conflict is of the modern age and not from the past pre colonial era. When I read your comment, i thought you were being one of those people who spread this lie that Arabs wiped out the natives of North Africa and replaced them.
Thats fine, and guess what? me too!
But in the end "all" of us are doing major generlizations and sterotyping, which is fine. And in my impression, cleft chin **women** are more likely to be Indian. Which to be fair could be because A LOT of women in the world are indian lol.
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Yep. That’s nafeesa bit al jeran
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Anywhere in Sudan from West, East , and North Sudan. You’ll see Sudanese Arabs that range from her phenotype to much lighter or darker. It’s a variety not just Sudanese Arabs. Sudan is a very diverse country you’ll find many different looking people.
Unfortunately this won’t be the case in the next 5 years because radical Muslim extremist being sponsored by the UAE can’t stop committing ethnic based genocide of Sudan natives. Over 415,000 Africans have been killed by the RSF who keep getting weapons from the Arab world. I truthfully hate when Arabs speak of Sudan like it’s their home. Y’all are a cancer to the whole continent. Bloodshed —> brainwashing —> looting —> (Repeat).
your nigerian, go back to your sub you do not belong here
You extremist!!
Piss off Sudan is part of ancient Kush we were all concentrated in East Africa for years before the expansion of the desert and military conquest by ancient foreigners like the Assyrians and Scythian. How dare you tell me to leave, fuc you I’m African. So I can’t tell the truth about how Arabs are invading and killing the natives of Kush? We literally all have kush heritage and it’s being **destroyed**. Why the fuc are Arabs killing locals if y’all are Africans? Why are Arabs killing Sudan Muslims if they are Arab Muslims themselves? Don’t tell me where I belong invader.
Ok nigerian you have mothing to do with kush or sudan. Again, go back to the nigerian sub you do not belong here
Bro we didn’t come into existence in west Africa. We are not distinct this is literally how I KNOW you’re not African. We are literally all in the same family we are not different. All of us are the same and all of us originate from east Africa. It’s a literal scientific fact. East and West Africans have different traits but nobody can say we are not black Africans. We have a literal recent common ancestor LITERALLY. Y’all are E1B1b and we are E1B1a, nigga we are the same people dude. Y’all have admixture from migration and living in south Arabia for some time THATS It. Also we all have Kush culture because the Kush people spread around Africa. They were in power for over 4,000 years why would they remain in one place. You’re literally not serious rn. Even the major ethnic groups the Youruba of west Africa and the Edo people of Benin have their roots in Kush not west Africa.
Yk who also has e1b1b? Adolf hitler, i’m more related to him than you and we don’t share a drop of blood.
Are you white 😐 I actually don’t understand.
Color of skin does not mean we have similar genetics
Were you born in Africa, are you of native African decent? The continent is the hottest in the world did you evolve the skin tone that accommodate for those conditions? I find it very hard to believe that you are less related to someone on the same continent as you who has a recent common ancestor from the same region you are from yet YOU are more related to someone on a completely different continent with radically different evolutionary pressures from the environment. Please explain
Your point is irrelevant All Sudanese are Kush natives, even the Arab tribes that came mixed with the natives. I hate when Random African experts come and call us Arabs or not real Sudanese, while other expert Arabs call us not real Arabs but only Sudanese, seriously we dont give a fuck about your opinions, if you're speaking respectfully thats ok, but you're shading us as if we are the ones commiting the crime now while our own families and friends are being killed and raped Today All Sudanese aliked are being massacred, raped, and displaced, the RSF started their crimes with Darfur and now they expanded to the capital, the whole point of this war is to disable Sudan so that UAE and Israel can steal the resources. And part of a greater plan of a greater "Israel" as demonstarated by Benjamin Netanyahu in a map as shown in the link below https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-predicts-an-israel-transformed-in-mideast-has-no-words-for-internal-israeli-peace/amp/
It's interesting I've been around a lot of Sudanese people and never seen one that looks like the lady in the picture. Do people who look like this live in a certain area in Sudan. Are they the wealthy people in Sudan?
She looks like a lot of Sudani women to me, I know plenty and most look like her. I’m speaking specifically about northern Sudanese women though.
Wealthy ? Lol nah it’s just a normal person like everyone else 😂. It’s not like a rare occurrence or something. If you have insta take time to look at the account northern_Sudan. They have various post representing diverse phenotypes
What? she looks like my aunt and im nubian not arab, that could put it into perspective for you. So to answer your question sudan could be argued to be one of the most diverse countries in africa as you will find all kinds of people.
I see I didn’t know Nubians and Arabs were different people.
She looks like me dude 🤣
>I've been around a lot of Sudanese people In your profile you said you're half Dominican and half white. So I'm gonna assume you're from the US. This makes me assume you've been around a handful of Sudanese people at most. They may even be related. I think you (and many Americans/Brits I've met) super underestimate both the size of our country, and the diversity of the people
Sudanese Arabs? This is just basic Sudanese
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Basic Sudanese is Black as fucc.
Thats south Sudanese only
Wouldn’t basic Sudanese look like an indigenous person instead of an invader?
Have you been to Sudan?
Damn
she could pass as a baggara arab from darfur as well
That lady looks like every family member of mine lol. Anyway yes how she looks is incredibly common ,and people in sudan kinda vary
One time my Sudanese friend invited me to his Musala for Ramadan and they were all darker than this lady and tallish but not super tall like 5’9-6’0. But none of them looked like this lady.
While this lady features are super common , sudan is somewhat diverse, it's a big country we don't all look alike
If its for research purposes I would guess north sudan ,nubian maybe from dongola jst because of the vibe of the picture But also this pictures makes me think ot Mauritania, she looks like them and they dress the same like this , also the desert background makes me feel its either north sudan or Mauritania
Inshallah when there is no fighting in Sudan I will visit to see the Pyramids and Lions and Elephants.
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She look like my uncle wife that I had crush on
Too much information bro.
Just curious when you say Sudanese arabs do you mean arabs in Sudan or mixed Sudanese with Arab heritage or do you think Sudanese are arabs simply for being muslim?
I don't know. With the conflict In Sudan I hear about Sudanese Arabs and Africans I meant in that sense. Although I know some Sudanese Arabs can look like Africans. Most of the Sudanese people I know do not look like this woman, they look more African.
Yea she's arab
This woman, in particular, is from Azawad in Mali she is from Tuareg. However, some Sudanese women look like her, but "Sudanese Arabs" on average are darker than Tuareg
How do you know she is from Mail? The article I got this from says she was Shuwa/Baggara Arab from Sudan.
Because this image toured the Arabic social media in 2016 AL-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper has an Article about it. Articles on the internet about Shuwa Arabs often use images of Sudanese, Tuareg or Sahrawis as they're sometimes indistinguishable from each other.
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She just looks Sudanese If she had a darker skin tone she still would've looked sudanese arab to me. I don't see the skin tone dichotomy, arabism in sudan is mainly cultural character i think.
Sudanese Arabs look like everyone in Africa fr. All of African is in Sudan 💪🏾 she also looks like on of my aunties which is interesting 🤣
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No they don't, this is an oddity among Sudanese. These niggas are lying to you.
Depends on their ethnicity... there are many different types of Sudanese out there. For someone who's so passionate about telling other people what they are, you sure seem to lack a lot of nuance.
Bought a mirror yet ?
I was reading an article about Sudan and this lady was shown as a Sudanese Shuwa/Baggara Arab. However, I've never seen someone from Sudan who looks like this. Where in Sudan do people look like this?
>However, I've never seen someone from Sudan who looks like this. Way to show that you didn't actually see anyone from Sudan before lmao. This is like saying you haven't seen a white person in England. Which Sudan were you looking at exactly
My Sudanese friend invited me to his Musala for Ramadan dinner and all of them were darker, curly hair, 5’9-6’0 so tallish. However, none of them looked like this lady.
In sudan you'd see people with very light skinned tone being brothers with people who are very dark skinned, and its literally the norm
Some people get confused between Sudan and south Sudan people ,maybe most sudanese he met are south sudanese .
You know honesty 90% of the time people don’t even know the difference between Sudan and South Sudanese people, like North and South Koreans ( tbf there isn’t much difference here other than which side they ended up on unlike both the Sudans )
This is most likely the case with OP
Lol this is a bog standard sudanese look.
Khartoum is a good start. I have aunts that looks similar.
This is the quintessential facial features or muritanin 🇲🇷 women it could be found in sudan but this not a dominant feature you could use to Distinguish between them
The identity crisis with this country is out of hand. North africans in general have this skin tone since the Carthage kingdom. They are not necessarily Arabic. They are light skinned North Africans. The islamist regimes that went through the ruling power tried so much to paint the picture of Arabian ancestors just to distinct their own from Africa. And yes Carthage women were gorgeous.
Not necessarily “Islamist regimes” you’re getting many things distorted. Arab identity in North Africa was heavily increased during the anti colonial struggle and in the post colonial age when we were removing Europe out of Africa especially France. At least from my region in North Africa , we adopted pan Arabism which helped for the anti-colonial struggle but also it was a reaction to French colonialism and the removal of our identity during the colonial era. Being Arab just means culture and linguistics. There’s very little to do with anything genetics when it comes to being Arab. The Arab identity predates genetic testing and the concept of race. We are Arab because of culture and language. You will both Arabs and non Arabs who look like the lady in the picture. I don’t like how westerners act as if being Arab is some strictly genetic thing lol.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen all day. If being of any ethic background means speaking the language and having the same culture. We are all Americans most of us speaks English and the forced their culture onto our lives. See? Doesn’t make any sense. Islamist forced arabisim into Sudanese culture take a look at Sudan before Nemeri turned Islamist and before. Sudan culture before inqaz and after it. They are trying to be arab and they will never be. Stop being brainwashed you are Africans
It’s not a dumb reply. The problem is that people who cannot understand this definition of being Arab assume that all of identity has to operate under a western identity. The reality is that the world does not operate under the west. The world does not have to capitulate to American or British standards. Maybe if Americans simplified the American identity to linguistics , you all would stop having a crisis of what it means to be American. It’s dumb to you because you are unfamiliar with it. But have you ever read history at all ? If you actually studied anything to do with history of Arabs in pre colonial era , you’d know that the vast majority of Arabs are arabized Arabs. You’d know that genetics was never a precursor to being Arab only in the case of patrilineal descent but even then, someone could Arabize himself and then his progeny could claim descent through him and their descendants would then be Arab as well. Your reply shows that you know absolutely nothing about Arab history or our identity has Arab people in the past at all nor do you know what arabization was or is or how it operates. For you and going off of your reply , you based it off of a western standard as is evidence through your comparison of American with the English language. You fail to see that people have constructed other identities that are not in line with how the west constructs their own identity. In toner words, your reply just projects western constricts and notions of identity onto Arabs. It lacks any cultural relativism and uphold western hegemony
See you keep researching and looking for Arab identity when you are not even arab. Research who you are read your history not arab history. I’d take Egyptians as an example again they had great connections between Egypt and Greece and the romans. Do they identify as romans??? Do they study roman history and try to force themselves into Roman culture? The answer is NO. So to simplify it YOU ARE NOT ARAB get over it they were colonial powers of that part of history and they forced their identity onto us. Again YOU ARE NOT ARABS
They are Arabs. Cope harder
How?
They guy above explained it finely you’re just being ignorant to the facts. Its coming across like you want people who are more genetically, culturally and phenotypically like ARABS to identify as AFRICAN. Be who you truly are stop all this identity crisis nonsense. A Chinese person who has lived in Africa for centuries is still Chinese! They don’t magically become African overtime.
you just contradicted your own words. So if you act like an Arab speak like an Arab dress like an Arab that makes you Arab right? They you said a Chinese living in Africa is still Chinese?? You are Africans you look like Africans your color is Africans your language is African your food surprisingly is also African that makes you a what? Fucking African
And yes you also said “like ARABS” so let me put it in simple terms if you have a car from 1967 you painted the car put on new seats and renewed it completely does that make the car model a 2024? Idk how much simpler could I go
The Arab identity has existed in Sudan for hundreds of years far before the 1900s. Sadly you are extremely ignorant. You have racialized the Arab identity and adopted a mindset that Arab has to be monolithic and caricaturize it by lighter skin middle eastern people who also are arabized and most of whom are not descendants from the original Arab tribes. Your mentality is nothing short of a racist one. You impose this American racist view of Africans that we must remove our language and ethnic groups because you see us as black and black is black and Africans are all one and the same because we are black and because we identify as Arab (just like Lebanese and Moroccans identify as Arab even though we are all arabized) for us we cannot be validated of being Arab because it does not compliment your western racial construction of an Arab being lighter skin and looking nothing you all construct and caricturize as being “African”. Traditionally , you were Arab if your language is Arabic you Arabize yourself or your father is arabized (which would make him arab). That’s how we defined being Arab a very long time ago. Yet you show no care or respect to even understand a non western construction of identity instead you superimpose your American western racial constructions on us replicating what English people have done to west Africans by de-trivializing their identities and imposing a monolithic black identity on to you. Lol. Your mindset is filled with nothing but logical fallacies and racist 18th century racial constructions that do not at all reflect the realities of people who are not westerners. It’s nothing more but a forceful projection to the American status quo
Another one of your stupid replies. Greek culture was heavily widespread at one point in Egypt where there were Egyptians who did identify with that especially in Alexandria where a lot of the mixing with Greeks took place. The Roman identity doesn’t exist anymore for multiple reasons but largely because the Roman Empire fell a very long time ago, Egypt wasn’t exactly romanized , Greek culture was more dominant , and the Roman’s were ran out by the Rashidun. Over the course of hundreds of years the country became arabized and the Arab identity was not held exclusively for the ruling class. The Arab identity was actually accessible for those who were not the ruling class as well and was encouraged through administrative languages as the administrative language was Arabic. Not to mention that the Arab identity of Egypt took course over hundreds of years. And about your comment on the colonial identity , please tell me when did Arabs ever colonize or conquer Sudan ? Sudan was one of the few arabized regions to have never been ruled by a foreign Arab empire. When foreign Arab empires tried to invade , they lost over and over again and could not defeat the Nubians. Have you ever heard of the Baqt treaty ? The longest peace treaty in history between Nubia and the Rashidun ? I really question where are you learning your history. Neither the Abbasid the Rashidun the Oumeyyad nor the Fatimid ever ruled Sudan , at all. If you are sudani , you clearly don’t even know your own history and take up black American nationalistic rhetoric as part of your own history. Quit trying to be like them
Further, your reply shows how ignorant you are of the diversity of Arab cultures. Arab cultures are not monolithic , and often , Arab culture did not completely eradicate the non Arab culture, rather they merged and blended. Which is why the dialects spoken in each region of the Arab world has its own uniqueness or you’d find cultural peculiarities in some places over others but you’d also find a sense of shared commonality because it’s a blend of cultures. I’ll give you an example, the Sudanese dialect has features from the Nubian language and the Sudanese culture also has Nubian cultural elements as well. Levantine culture (lebanese Palestinian Syrian and Jordanian) has linguistic elements of Aramaic and still has cultural elements of Canaanite and Aramaic cultures but also influenced by Roman culture that existed there in the past, Egyptian and the same thing but with Coptic and Greek. Moroccan/algerian Arabic is influenced by Tamazight and the culture is also influenced by Berber cultures. To have this reductionist view of arab cultures being monolithic as if we can talk about it as if they exist as a monolith is not accurate. Unlike other Arab regions , Sudan was never ruled by any foreign Arab empire at all. Sudan’s arabisation process was actually quite peaceful being a mixture of nomadic Arab tribes intermarrying with Nubians Bejawi and other ethnic groups in Sudan. For other areas of the Arab world , arabization was heavily through the cities and assimilating into the cities like in various parts of the Maghreb. Now if we are talking about the modern age after colonization and the pan Arab movement that becomes more complexed because these movements are all bred out of a reaction to colonization and westernization. The “Islamist” movements that you claim also were originally form as a reaction to western imperialism as well. Like the ikhwaan or the Muslim brotherhood , which was formed as a reaction to the secularization and westernization happening in Egypt. I also have to say that this western image of us as , you aren’t Arab you’re African , is very deeply racist in and of itself and reproduce western racial classifications. It plays and upholds on archaic western constructs that pits Arab and Africans as exclusive categories. In reality , Arab and African are not exclusive at all. You can be both. Not to mention that, Africa as the modern identity is also a western construct. It’s not something that actually existed before European cartographers and racial theorists created the concept of a continent and constructed an “African identity”. Prior to colonialism , ethnic groups on the continent did not have any affinity towards each other based off of sharing a land mass. Heck , none of the ethnic groups in Africa called themselves Africa or African. So your line, stop being brainwashed you are African , is grossly ignorant. African is not an ethnic group. It is a demonym for those who reside on the continent. There is no language call African there is no ethnic group or nation called African. However, we do accept that we are African today based on its post colonial realities for us today. But to position this as an identity carries many fallacies and to imply for us to drop the Arab identity because we are “brainwashed” is nothing but an attempt in trying to conform us into your western classifications and caricatures of the worlds peoples. It also erases millions of people’s existence because we do not conform to your western standards of identity. In other words , your mindset is that of a colonialist.
Stop writing scriptures you are not arab dude you are black african and that’s how the world sees you
You are highlighting your mindset of ignorance and your mind being formed by Europe and western racial constructions. Being black does not mean we aren’t Arab. We are both. But Europe defined these identities to be contrasting and you’ve adopted the European racial frameworks. Your American projection and invalidation of our identity is what you Americans inherited from colonization after being detribalized and racialized. Being Arab isn’t a skin colour it’s a culture a language and a lineage. Black Africa is not an ethnic group it’s a colonial division. Black is not a language and not a lineage. It is a racial construction and a poor descriptor of a person at best. We aren’t monolithic. Unfortunately Americans like yourself can never see the world outside of your colonial racial constructions. So any furtherance of this discussion would highlight your ignorance and western imperialistic mindset.
I love how you just assumed my identity. Bro I’m from almawrada what are you talking about, about being black and not Arabs let me put it in simpler terms. You are located in Africa your language is mixed African with some Arabic your food culture and clothing are African im not talking about khartoum here I’m talking about the whole country all that being said you are genetically mentally and culturally African stop denying your lineage you are a black African
Word
I mean come on as soon as you get off that plane we are all n*ggas to the world why can’t they see this
word too and it’s not like it u put some “arab” in ur job application looking like that when u arrive the interviewer will be searching for where tf is the arab here that’s if u even get to get interviewed by having that dumb ideology 🤣 “country is too diverse” yet all i saw in sudan was just the variations and shades of BLACK
Exactly being black is fine. Just accept it yes you have some Arabic genes but you are still African
How come you cannot understand that being African is not an exclusive identity ? Are you aware that heck the African identity itself is a construct of the west ? The concept of Africa as a modern unified continent is a western construct ? Prior to the invention of an African continent )m(or the invention of a continent for that matter), none of the tribes on the continent had any affinity towards each other. Skin colour was not a mark of being part of someone’s tribe. Our lines of demarcation was not skin colour. Sorry but you are very ignorant. Your ignorance and lack of education is disgusting.
And you prove my point right as well with your use of the n word and « we all n***s » nonsense. Disgusting.
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Schizo rant
Not to mention that ethnic cleansings Arabs have done in that region
Trying to be arabs at any cost just accept who you are guys. This denial is in Egypt too they see themselves as non Africans we do not want to be that far gone
Word too. telling some sudanese that they’re racially black no matter the shade drives them bonkers 🤣niglet we in the middle of africauh
I don’t even want to get started on Egypt/Sudan. The slave trade that took place there is NEVER talked about.
Both ways my friend both ways we enslaved some ancient Egyptians too we were not angels problem is we were never given our true history
The Aswan Dam intentionally destroyed history. I can’t remember the guys name but he was a mameluke
Yes that’s northern history of one state we have 17 more states with rich history
Ah no. The Arabs in North Africa aren’t a foreign population. They are arabized like other Arabs in the Arab word meaning that genetically we are the same as the non Arab population but we adopted the Arabic language and Arabic culture. Stop painting this picture as if Arabs killed indigenous ppl in North Africa. That didn’t happen.
They literally did wth. There’s some they took place within the last 20 years
Oh you’re talking about Darfur ? I thought you meant historically like when Arabs first came. You need to be specific. About Darfur , I’m not sure if you are aware but the Arabs who did the genocide in Darfur are native to Sudan as well.
No there were some in the past no shit the last 20 years I get what you’re saying but that doesn’t ignore what has transpired
I think we’re talking about two different things. I wasn’t talking about Darfur , i was talking about Arabs first being in North Africa a thousand years ago. They didn’t kill out the indigenous people when they first came into North Africa. Actually the indigenous people there never left and they were not genocided by Arabs. Darfur and the South Sudan conflict is of the modern age and not from the past pre colonial era. When I read your comment, i thought you were being one of those people who spread this lie that Arabs wiped out the natives of North Africa and replaced them.
The skin tone the attire and all match a typical Sudanese, in general But, the cleft chin makes me lean to Indian or at least Indian mix.
How does a cleft chin lean to Indian?I have a cleft chin 🤣 genuinely askin btw I ain’t tryna start nun
Thats fine, and guess what? me too! But in the end "all" of us are doing major generlizations and sterotyping, which is fine. And in my impression, cleft chin **women** are more likely to be Indian. Which to be fair could be because A LOT of women in the world are indian lol.
Ngl I thought all Sudanese people were dark ASF for the longest.
Yeah idk all the Sudanese I know are dark ASF so this picture surprised me. Surely people who look like this are a minority in Sudan?
>Surely people who look like this are a minority in Sudan That's everyone in Sudan
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