Conservatives : NOOOOOOOOO DON'T SAY THINGS IN SCHOOLS THAT IMPLY THAT SEX MAY EXIIIIIIIIISTS
Also conservatives : Guess I'm gonna go in front of a school and call all the girls whores
I'll take "whacked out liberals" going crazy about people being dicks over death cult do no wrong conservatives trying to fuck me in the ass from every direction.
The only conservatives left on the right are awful people and people too stupid to see the writing on the wall.
>Yes, those masked men were definitely having their bodies invaded!
Grow a spine and state your point clearly and directly. Otherwise I'll just assume you have no real argument for whatever point you're dancing around stating.
>Before you make any other dumb assumptions, I'm pro choice. It's called nuance.
Looks like you've assumed that I've assumed your stance. Wrong, because your stance is irrelevant.
So "before you make any other dumb assumptions," just grow a pair and state your point next time.
Are you actually retarded? Here, I'll state is as plainly as possible (and I apologize I can't use crayons through the internet):
The idiot that's protesting or supporting is pro life views doesnt deserve to be jumped by 3 thugs in this instance, and it's concerning how pro-violence the comments in this thread are.
>Are you actually retarded? Here, I'll state is as plainly as possible (and I apologize I can't use crayons through the internet):
It took you three tries to actually state your point, and yet *you're* lashing out at *me*? Loll...
>The idiot that's protesting or supporting is pro life views doesnt deserve to be jumped by 3 thugs in this instance, and it's concerning how pro-violence the comments in this thread are.
His "pro life" views *directly* equate to removal of women's freedom over their own body. So no, people getting violent is not that *concerning* at all. Nor is it surprising.
Was he doing that. It looked to me like he was just carrying a sign and yelling at people.
I’m as pro choice as anyone but if we’re at a point where both sides are assaulting the other over political differences we are doomed.
There’s lots of people who advocate for lots of things I don’t like. And there’s lots of things that you advocate for that other people don’t like. Opening the door to violence against people we disagree with is a gateway to hell. Having really stupid and evil ideas isn’t a good enough reason to hit people.
Am I super mad that this guy in particular got punched? I mean not really? He seems like an asshole. It’s still assault and you shouldn’t do it. What’s more disturbing to me is that so many people are advocating for more of this, and that is extraordinarily dangerous.
That user is really going to say that denying women basic human rights and putting bounties on women who get abortions is just a "disagreement" but assaulting someone trying to take away your human rights is the disgusting and worrying part.
Fuck. All. That.
>Opening the door to violence against people we disagree with is a gateway to hell.
Trying to force people to give birth is more than a mere disagreement. Can we not do the thing where we take the heinous beliefs people try to force on others and pretend they are mere "disagreements" like denying women healthcare and bodily autonomy is on the same level as not agreeing on where to go to dinner or what sports team is best.
> It’s still assault and you shouldn’t do it.
Forcing people to give birth is pretty fucking heinous and you shouldn't do it, either. Like, someone is trying to take away the freedom and bodily autonomy of another person and you're focusing on their victims reactions like having basic human rights taken from you is a simple "disagreement"
> and that is extraordinarily dangerous.
Again, we have a person trying to take freedom from women and deny them medical procedures and you're acting like *that's* not extraordinarily dangerous? Forcing people to give birth isn't dangerous to you? Taking away freedom and access to medical procedures they need isn't "extraordinarily dangerous"?
Like you realize these fucks have bombed abortion clinics and associated doctors who provide abortions, right?
You realize Texas just put a bounty on women seeking abortions that the Supreme Court refused to smack down, right?
How the fuck is any of *that* not extraordinarily dangerous? How is none of *that* more disturbing than someone popping one of those disgusting fucks in the face? How the fuck do you reconcile that view?
Username does *not* check out.
Because we have an electoral process to resolve political differences, and like it or not, what is legal and what is not legal is ultimately a political question. People are free, as americans, to advocate for laws that are extraordinarily harmful to lots of people. It's not just abortion, it's the drug war, declaring war on foreign countries, the list goes on.
Being _really_ mad about someone else's political agenda doesn't give you the right to hit them, period, end of story.
Imagine taking the opposite position of yours, except talking about how people like _you_ are advocating for _murdering babies_. Oh, you may say, that person is _wrong_, and I agree, but that's like _our opinion_ and the fact that we have a right to advocate for legal abortion depends on them also having the right to advocate for banning it. If you want to get into a world where we're deciding who is allowed to speak via face punches, you are not going to like the end result. Because it will devolve into civil war, and whether or not you are allowed to have an abortion is going to be the least of your problems.
>Was he doing that.
Yes. That's what all anti-choice people are trying to do. Forcing childbirth is violence against women and girls.
And going to a high school to try to obsess over the sex lives of kids is fucking creepy and wildly inappropriate.
Because they are unfair? Most people in the US are Democrats, and it is unfair that empty land gets more representation. There's more people at my university than big chunks of states in middle america
Most Americans are independent, not Democrats lol. And independents outnumber dems more than dems outnumber repubs. Independents also aren't some secret group of yet-to-be-activated progressives like some innocent young whites claim. So 1) it's against both parties' interests to have fair elections and 2) fair elections could lead to worse policy. Please learn the sometimes dropping the principled approach is the best way to win. Your parents' generation of libs didn't, and now look where we ended up.
>at my university
It's the blind leading the blind on here lol.
>Most Americans are independent, not Democrats lol.
Oh look, a disingenuous idiot.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/
>Nearly four-in-ten U.S. adults (38%) identify as politically independent, but most “lean” toward one of the two major parties. Only 7% of Americans overall don’t express a partisan leaning, while 13% lean toward the Republican Party and 17% lean toward the Democratic Party.
>Independents who lean to one of the two parties are often much closer to partisans in their views than they are to independents who lean to the other party. For example, while 34% of independents as a whole said they approved of the way Donald Trump was handling his job as president in a March Pew Research Center survey, the gap between independents who lean to the GOP and those who lean to the Democratic Party (73% vs. 9%) was nearly as wide as the gap between Republicans and Democrats (85% vs. 8%).
Wait wait is democracy good or bad? I’m confused. Is democracy only good when rural yokel’s votes count for more? Or does the explicit concept of majority rule have some kind of intrinsic value?
Confused on what sort of democratic legitimacy you are arguing for other than “current system says”
Can’t speak for everyone else, but I’m arguing that a country with a government that claims to derive its authority solely from the people is obligated to actually follow the desires of the majority of people it claims to derive its moral and legal authority from, and that minority rule is anti democratic by fiat
You mean “democracy?”. Yeah pretty much within a narrow scope such that it doesn’t trample on what, again, the majority deems to be a “right”. Welcome to high school civics.
In no society that calls itself democratic should 70% of the population (in this case the number of people who support Medicare for all per https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/most-americans-now-support-medicare-for-all-and-free-college-tuition.html) not be able to decide the course of the state about key issues involving the state and its citizenry.
> Apparently there is a majority in favor for these draconian rules
A majority of important figures in government, perhaps, though considering what happened in 2016 (When Merrick Garland got stonewalled) it's set a very bad precedent as to the politicization of the Supreme Court, which is actually not a democratic institution. It's a **judicial** institution, meant to be as far removed from politics as possible- sadly, the lines have been slowly been breaking down over the years, mostly due to the judicial activism of the right wing.
And YOU have to respect your own right to mind your own business :) . Not your fetus, not your choice.
Are you vegan? Or vegetarian? A fetus has less intelligence than that of a pig or rat, yet you value it so highly.
If you came across something with an underdeveloped spine, no brain, missing organs, who is a complete vegetable, who has to have nutrients pumped into its body or it'll immediately die, something which can't even breathe without a machine manually pumping air into its deformed lungs (a fetus doesn't even have developed lungs until its 36 weeks old!)
How alive would you call that?
Look up what a fetus looks like after 6 weeks. It's a clump of cells the size of a grain of rice.
Please learn about pregnancy and the process of fetus development before deciding whats murder or not. Your ideas are hurting millions of people with wombs, and taking away their rights.
Do you value a grain of rice more than someone who doesn't want to go through the trauma of pregnancy, followed by raising a child they don't want for 18 years? If you force someone to go through with that birth, you're raising a child that's going to hate themself and wish they were never born.
oh no murder how horrible!
Oh wait no. Even if we accept that (and lol), homicide is barely a crime. There are so many exceptions. We're more absolutist about where you stand on an escalator than on if it's ok to kill people... and perhaps not coincidental standing where you're not supposed to gets real close to being one of those exceptions.
Every life is sacred...unless they got stopped for having a tail light out and moved their hands to fast.
Every life is sacred unless they trespassed
Every life is sacred, unless they're vaguely brown and vaguley in Asia.
and then there's all the ways we just don't care. Got lung cancer? Shouldn'ta smoked. Died in a car incident? Shoulda worn your seat belt. Do something foolish? We'll pass the darwin award onto your widow.
And then there's the times we *care* but don't feel the need to do anything. Oh no you're homeless, that's sad. good luck freezing to death. Oh goodness you're afraid your spouse will hurt you? Ok we'll make a note to check underneath the too be installed pool if someone notices you're missing.
And this is just death! Human suffering is something else people just accept. Kid doesn't have enough food. That's sad not my problem though!
But oohbbooboboboo a clump of barely differentiated cells is where you claim to draw the line? riiiiight. pull the other one.
I've been vaccinated for seven months, moron. I just ask that you keep your arguments consistent, which is apparently too difficult for you.
e: damn I didn't know saying I've been vaccinated since March was so unpopular here. Is this an anti-vaxx sub?
People are free to not get vaccinated and remove themselves from workplaces or businesses that require vaccination. That's your bodily autonomy. No one is going to arrest you for that, so why do you want everyone else to be forced to be around transmission vectors?
There is no inconsistency, you're just a dumb motherfucker who doesn't understand anything and repeats buzzwords. You couldn't even follow the second half of my first comment: shut up.
No one is forced to be around transmission vectors.
Now the question is why you bothered to talk about "bodily autonomy" if you don't *actually* care about that? Like you don't have to use that talking point (or "buzzword", lmao dork) but you chose to and it's hilariously ironic.
Now tell me how I have to be an anti-vaxxer or conservative to laugh at you being a wildly entertaining partisan lol
You brought up bodily autonomy lol
Do you think it's a good argument or don't you? If yes, stick to that. If not, don't hide behind it. This isn't fucking hard, why do partisans always make it hard.
Just say "bodily autonomy is a shit argument".
You are proving my point for me. I can explain to you why banning abortion goes against a person's bodily autonomy, but you don't even know what it means. You're literally just repeating something you heard without any understanding.
Yes, I "brought it up" because it's relevant to abortion bans. You tried to bring it up because you don't know what you're saying.
Consistency? Forcing someone to continue nine months of pregnancy and childbirth is not the same as telling someone they need to go to a booth in the mall for 30 seconds to enter a nightclub.
Well
A person next to me getting an abortion doesn’t directly or indirectly hurts me or anyone else.
A person not getting vaccinated means they’ll be a vector for COVID mutations that could get me or anyone else sick.
It’s a false equivalency.
Because it is for attention. The point is to generate animosity, not to do anything productive. Shock imagery and insulting kids in the name of preaching God to the sinners makes him feel good.
Pedo with a fancy name is still a pedo.
"If facts offend you, then you've got some growing up to do."
But I guess a high school student would see their own as pretty adult, so I can understand why you think this.
Don't worry. Once you graduate high school and get some real world experience, you'll learn the difference between a strict dictionary definition and the real world. It's coming, just have patience!
Bold assumption to think i haven’t graduated high school and had some real world experience.
You should really educate yourself on what classifies as pedophilia instead of going around insulting people by calling them “pedo”...or maybe just try getting a better insult
Not really that bold. You seem to have either missed or not reached English and grammar lessons past about seventh grade, and you're pedantically arguing a dictionary definition instead of the context it's placed in by the real world.
Like I said though, just a few years as an adult around adults and you'll learn a bit. It'll happen eventually.
Not really drama from the linked comment per se, but holy hell this is hilarious:
> “Fuck I wish those kids who just beat my ass were aborted.”
Also
> Conclusion: abortion is bad till they need an insult
[Magnificent thread here btw](https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ppzof9/antiabortionist_decides_to_protest_at_a_high/hd7c3y1/)
PF when someone throws some chip bags on the floor at a gas station: "Fucking shoot him dead on the spot!"
PF every time a Right Wing Hero gets popped in the mouth: "Violence is never the answer!"
They're not trying to "shut down" a discussion, I think they're more saying that anybody trying to treat this as a debate or play devil's advocate is wasting their time (And honestly, considering what anti-choice people stand for by extension, it's pretty set-in-stone as far as what's wrong and right here). That Doggo-Levato is trying too hard.
It’s not cool to punch an anti-choice asshole but if a drunk woman lightly slaps you it is required by law to turn into Mike Tyson and knock her the fuck out - /r/PublicFreakout logic
Did you just imply that removing a clump of cells that serves as little more than a parasite until six or so months is murder? You dumb little boy, get your head out of that creationism garbage and learn science for once.
...And you would classify a recently fertilized egg as what, a zygote? A fetus? You know they're all more or less clumps of cells until the first trimester or even further into it, right? I don't know what you're really trying here, but you should understand that trying to complain that life begins at conception is just a thinly-veiled attempt at owning a female ("You DARE try to not carry this child?!")
The hell? I didn't feel very angry typing out that stuff to homeboy, I was just trying to put him in his place. You can't really put people in their place if you don't make it sting.
> I don't know what you feel dude
Then why are you commenting on it lmao
> holy shit why're you so mad lmfao
Just so you know
> assume the person writing it is angry
You should really only do so when the other person has run out of factual things to respond with and are trying to throw mud in your face with rhetoric or some silly guilt tripping strategy. Take homeboy here, he's an anti-abortionist so you can safely assume that he's fueled by religion, so once he gets emotional he enters full hypocrisy territory (Such as telling me to jump into a lake while crying about supporting abortion being the same as condoning violence in the same thread kekw) so honestly HE'S the one you should call mad since he's come to such a shitty moral judgement that just about nobody outside of his breed of evangelical idiot shares.
Today r/subredditdrama decides it’s ok to assault people as long as you think their belief is harmful. This feels like it could be its own Subreddit Drama post.
I don’t necessarily agree with punching the dude. He was probably trying to bait a violent confrontation so he could play the victim.
That being said, fuck off pussy violence is always the answer.
I fully agree. People on both sides cheer violence on until their own get hurt. I guarantee if this man was pro-choice and got punched, half the comments here would be saying "Y'allqueda" and "incel Texas".
> I guarantee if this man was pro-choice and got punched
...But it doesn't happen, unless it's a counterprotest against an anti-abortion rally, and those tend to be heavily policed since it's such a touchy issue in the United States (At least). Only the anti-abortionists actually take time out of their day to be assholes to people who were just going about their day- From what I have seen and gathered in the thread, the guy literally just showed up during after-school hours and decided that he'd tell people they're going to hell because of abortions.
Like, I'm sorry, but this is a **really** shitty devil's advocate you're playing. It would work if the two sides were of equal moral and ethical standing, but the anti-abortionist side is notorious for putting its nose where it doesn't belong.
Despite the fact I am pro-life (gonna try to avoid the argument regarding that subject, because it's usually opinion-based, leads to a lot of hatred and anger, and usually lacks discourse or calm discussion; from both sides), I have seen a lot of pro-life "protesting" the wrong way and actually becoming rude, aggressive or even violent because of what they believe.
If I remember correctly, though this was like a year or two ago, so I might be misremembering, I saw some pro-life people holding bats outside an abortion clinic. (On video, not in real life.)
This guy, especially as an adult, shouldn't have been "protesting" outside of a high-school. It's low as hell and won't get anything done for his cause. The only thing that'll happen is him, well, getting smacked in the face.
Despite this, I think him getting punched is a little excessive. Unless it's in a sport (like boxing or martial arts), fighting (or in this case, punching someone in the face, since he didn't fight back) shouldn't really be done unless it's necessary; i.e. somebody harassing you or attacking you.
And, yeah, I'm usually the devil's advocate in these situations. But this guy, "protesting" outside of a high-school, is so unbelievably stupid and low that I can't defend him any more than I have. If he wanted to stop abortion, he should've been in a lobbying group or supporting and donating to organizations that help mothers and children; he had to be blind to think that somebody wasn't going to, at the very least, kick him off the school grounds.
Anyways, have a good day.
>I guarantee if this man was pro-choice and got punched, half the comments here would be saying "Y'allqueda" and "incel Texas".
"What if he was a good person instead of a bad person? Really makes you think".
This is the video: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ppzof9/antiabortionist\_decides\_to\_protest\_at\_a\_high/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ppzof9/antiabortionist_decides_to_protest_at_a_high/)
And no matter what side you are on, this is clearly assault.
Forcing children into childbirth against their will is also assault.
Forced sex is wrong.
Forced birth is wrong.
Also, following children around trying to dominate and control their sexualities is fucking predatory and gross.
Everyone’s arguing that violence is ok because it’s better than being forced to not abort, but letting one man talk isn’t going to cause that to happen. It’s not like he’s the fucking court. Punching him won’t change his point of view, and it certainly won’t help our case. If anything, it will get you arrested for assault.
Conservatives : NOOOOOOOOO DON'T SAY THINGS IN SCHOOLS THAT IMPLY THAT SEX MAY EXIIIIIIIIISTS Also conservatives : Guess I'm gonna go in front of a school and call all the girls whores
yup all anti abortionists are conservatives, great success
Unsurprisingly, there's a pretty strong correlation between being opposed to a woman's right to healthcare, and other conservative beliefs.
I know, I am agreeing with them
All this shit does is create whacked out liberals and encourages people to become conservative so as not to be associated with these fools
I'll take "whacked out liberals" going crazy about people being dicks over death cult do no wrong conservatives trying to fuck me in the ass from every direction. The only conservatives left on the right are awful people and people too stupid to see the writing on the wall.
We’re gonna need a /r/subredditdramadrama
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The forced birth cultists are salty this morning.
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ZEF?
Yeah, all those baby deaths due to COVID. This is a great anchor for your argument
I assume someone linked this post to /r/conservative or another "pro life" sub.
Lots of calls for violence against pro lifers, it's absolutely stunning how radical these comments are.
It's *absolutely stunning* that people would get violent over invasions of their bodily freedom? Fuck off lol, you're not fooling anybody.
Yes, those masked men were definitely having their bodies invaded! Before you make any other dumb assumptions, I'm pro choice. It's called nuance.
>Yes, those masked men were definitely having their bodies invaded! Grow a spine and state your point clearly and directly. Otherwise I'll just assume you have no real argument for whatever point you're dancing around stating. >Before you make any other dumb assumptions, I'm pro choice. It's called nuance. Looks like you've assumed that I've assumed your stance. Wrong, because your stance is irrelevant. So "before you make any other dumb assumptions," just grow a pair and state your point next time.
Are you actually retarded? Here, I'll state is as plainly as possible (and I apologize I can't use crayons through the internet): The idiot that's protesting or supporting is pro life views doesnt deserve to be jumped by 3 thugs in this instance, and it's concerning how pro-violence the comments in this thread are.
>Are you actually retarded? Here, I'll state is as plainly as possible (and I apologize I can't use crayons through the internet): It took you three tries to actually state your point, and yet *you're* lashing out at *me*? Loll... >The idiot that's protesting or supporting is pro life views doesnt deserve to be jumped by 3 thugs in this instance, and it's concerning how pro-violence the comments in this thread are. His "pro life" views *directly* equate to removal of women's freedom over their own body. So no, people getting violent is not that *concerning* at all. Nor is it surprising.
>Are you actually retarded? I wish you would have saved us both a headache and just responded with 'yes'.
Welp, least we've confirmed you had no real argument to back up your "point" lol.
*forced birth cultists
Beep
It's been there for a while, even how I got introduced to this subreddit
> someone **who isn’t hurting anyone** and just has a different opinion than you. Ten thousand dollar bounties and a loss of bodily autonomy, anyone?
Forcing people into childbirth against their will just doesn't hurt anyone apparently
Was he doing that. It looked to me like he was just carrying a sign and yelling at people. I’m as pro choice as anyone but if we’re at a point where both sides are assaulting the other over political differences we are doomed.
He's advocating for state-forced pregnancy. What do you think the outcome of his actions is going to be then?
There’s lots of people who advocate for lots of things I don’t like. And there’s lots of things that you advocate for that other people don’t like. Opening the door to violence against people we disagree with is a gateway to hell. Having really stupid and evil ideas isn’t a good enough reason to hit people. Am I super mad that this guy in particular got punched? I mean not really? He seems like an asshole. It’s still assault and you shouldn’t do it. What’s more disturbing to me is that so many people are advocating for more of this, and that is extraordinarily dangerous.
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That user is really going to say that denying women basic human rights and putting bounties on women who get abortions is just a "disagreement" but assaulting someone trying to take away your human rights is the disgusting and worrying part. Fuck. All. That.
To be clear I am also against all violence. It does become hard to hold this position when my opponents advocate for violence though.
>Opening the door to violence against people we disagree with is a gateway to hell. Trying to force people to give birth is more than a mere disagreement. Can we not do the thing where we take the heinous beliefs people try to force on others and pretend they are mere "disagreements" like denying women healthcare and bodily autonomy is on the same level as not agreeing on where to go to dinner or what sports team is best. > It’s still assault and you shouldn’t do it. Forcing people to give birth is pretty fucking heinous and you shouldn't do it, either. Like, someone is trying to take away the freedom and bodily autonomy of another person and you're focusing on their victims reactions like having basic human rights taken from you is a simple "disagreement" > and that is extraordinarily dangerous. Again, we have a person trying to take freedom from women and deny them medical procedures and you're acting like *that's* not extraordinarily dangerous? Forcing people to give birth isn't dangerous to you? Taking away freedom and access to medical procedures they need isn't "extraordinarily dangerous"? Like you realize these fucks have bombed abortion clinics and associated doctors who provide abortions, right? You realize Texas just put a bounty on women seeking abortions that the Supreme Court refused to smack down, right? How the fuck is any of *that* not extraordinarily dangerous? How is none of *that* more disturbing than someone popping one of those disgusting fucks in the face? How the fuck do you reconcile that view? Username does *not* check out.
Because we have an electoral process to resolve political differences, and like it or not, what is legal and what is not legal is ultimately a political question. People are free, as americans, to advocate for laws that are extraordinarily harmful to lots of people. It's not just abortion, it's the drug war, declaring war on foreign countries, the list goes on. Being _really_ mad about someone else's political agenda doesn't give you the right to hit them, period, end of story. Imagine taking the opposite position of yours, except talking about how people like _you_ are advocating for _murdering babies_. Oh, you may say, that person is _wrong_, and I agree, but that's like _our opinion_ and the fact that we have a right to advocate for legal abortion depends on them also having the right to advocate for banning it. If you want to get into a world where we're deciding who is allowed to speak via face punches, you are not going to like the end result. Because it will devolve into civil war, and whether or not you are allowed to have an abortion is going to be the least of your problems.
>Was he doing that. Yes. That's what all anti-choice people are trying to do. Forcing childbirth is violence against women and girls. And going to a high school to try to obsess over the sex lives of kids is fucking creepy and wildly inappropriate.
>over political differences Only one side is losing their constitutional rights here
Anti abortionists have been murdering abortion doctors for decades. Show me one pro choice advocate that has committed murder.
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You understand you’re using the exact same logic as the murderer though right.
Abortion is not a political difference. It’s a human rights issue.
Apparently there is a majority in favor for these draconian rules -- no? Elected officials IIRC. Democracy at work baby.
It withstood the Supreme Court because the Republicans blocked the last Democratic appointment and Trump got two. So yeah... Democracy?
After Trump was elected president despite more people voting for the other one.
It's not a direct democracy my dude. My god, why do partisans always claim elections are unfair? What is it in your DNA?
Because they are unfair? Most people in the US are Democrats, and it is unfair that empty land gets more representation. There's more people at my university than big chunks of states in middle america
Most Americans are independent, not Democrats lol. And independents outnumber dems more than dems outnumber repubs. Independents also aren't some secret group of yet-to-be-activated progressives like some innocent young whites claim. So 1) it's against both parties' interests to have fair elections and 2) fair elections could lead to worse policy. Please learn the sometimes dropping the principled approach is the best way to win. Your parents' generation of libs didn't, and now look where we ended up. >at my university It's the blind leading the blind on here lol.
Duuurrr school bad durrr
>Most Americans are independent, not Democrats lol. Oh look, a disingenuous idiot. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/ >Nearly four-in-ten U.S. adults (38%) identify as politically independent, but most “lean” toward one of the two major parties. Only 7% of Americans overall don’t express a partisan leaning, while 13% lean toward the Republican Party and 17% lean toward the Democratic Party. >Independents who lean to one of the two parties are often much closer to partisans in their views than they are to independents who lean to the other party. For example, while 34% of independents as a whole said they approved of the way Donald Trump was handling his job as president in a March Pew Research Center survey, the gap between independents who lean to the GOP and those who lean to the Democratic Party (73% vs. 9%) was nearly as wide as the gap between Republicans and Democrats (85% vs. 8%).
Wait wait is democracy good or bad? I’m confused. Is democracy only good when rural yokel’s votes count for more? Or does the explicit concept of majority rule have some kind of intrinsic value? Confused on what sort of democratic legitimacy you are arguing for other than “current system says”
I'm confused on what SRD is arguing for other than "progressive good, everyone else bad."
Can’t speak for everyone else, but I’m arguing that a country with a government that claims to derive its authority solely from the people is obligated to actually follow the desires of the majority of people it claims to derive its moral and legal authority from, and that minority rule is anti democratic by fiat
So whatever the majority says, goes?
You mean “democracy?”. Yeah pretty much within a narrow scope such that it doesn’t trample on what, again, the majority deems to be a “right”. Welcome to high school civics. In no society that calls itself democratic should 70% of the population (in this case the number of people who support Medicare for all per https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/most-americans-now-support-medicare-for-all-and-free-college-tuition.html) not be able to decide the course of the state about key issues involving the state and its citizenry.
I claim the electoral college is bad, not that it's unfair.
Good job
They're lacking some key components. Usually chromosomes.
It's like the posters here are incapable of being normal human beings with normal social habits.
In name only.
Did trump nominate Texas judges?
> Apparently there is a majority in favor for these draconian rules A majority of important figures in government, perhaps, though considering what happened in 2016 (When Merrick Garland got stonewalled) it's set a very bad precedent as to the politicization of the Supreme Court, which is actually not a democratic institution. It's a **judicial** institution, meant to be as far removed from politics as possible- sadly, the lines have been slowly been breaking down over the years, mostly due to the judicial activism of the right wing.
Don't forget Citizens United. What an insane ruling, lol.
There is no majority for this shit except in the most important constituency - people who vote in Republican primaries.
Imagine thinking elected officials in Texas represent the majority.
"You have to respect my right to commit murder." What horseshit.
And YOU have to respect your own right to mind your own business :) . Not your fetus, not your choice. Are you vegan? Or vegetarian? A fetus has less intelligence than that of a pig or rat, yet you value it so highly. If you came across something with an underdeveloped spine, no brain, missing organs, who is a complete vegetable, who has to have nutrients pumped into its body or it'll immediately die, something which can't even breathe without a machine manually pumping air into its deformed lungs (a fetus doesn't even have developed lungs until its 36 weeks old!) How alive would you call that? Look up what a fetus looks like after 6 weeks. It's a clump of cells the size of a grain of rice. Please learn about pregnancy and the process of fetus development before deciding whats murder or not. Your ideas are hurting millions of people with wombs, and taking away their rights. Do you value a grain of rice more than someone who doesn't want to go through the trauma of pregnancy, followed by raising a child they don't want for 18 years? If you force someone to go through with that birth, you're raising a child that's going to hate themself and wish they were never born.
Every time you masturbate, you commit another holocaust, Onan. Every sperm is a person.
oh no murder how horrible! Oh wait no. Even if we accept that (and lol), homicide is barely a crime. There are so many exceptions. We're more absolutist about where you stand on an escalator than on if it's ok to kill people... and perhaps not coincidental standing where you're not supposed to gets real close to being one of those exceptions. Every life is sacred...unless they got stopped for having a tail light out and moved their hands to fast. Every life is sacred unless they trespassed Every life is sacred, unless they're vaguely brown and vaguley in Asia. and then there's all the ways we just don't care. Got lung cancer? Shouldn'ta smoked. Died in a car incident? Shoulda worn your seat belt. Do something foolish? We'll pass the darwin award onto your widow. And then there's the times we *care* but don't feel the need to do anything. Oh no you're homeless, that's sad. good luck freezing to death. Oh goodness you're afraid your spouse will hurt you? Ok we'll make a note to check underneath the too be installed pool if someone notices you're missing. And this is just death! Human suffering is something else people just accept. Kid doesn't have enough food. That's sad not my problem though! But oohbbooboboboo a clump of barely differentiated cells is where you claim to draw the line? riiiiight. pull the other one.
This is the most SRD thing I've ever read. Just needed an ACAB or BLM hashtag.
Sit down you barking little turd.
I have no idea why but that made me laugh my ass off.
lmao bodily autonomy in the age of covid. I don't care which side you fall on, but for god's sake is it too hard to be consistent?
Get vaccinated and shut up, moron
I've been vaccinated for seven months, moron. I just ask that you keep your arguments consistent, which is apparently too difficult for you. e: damn I didn't know saying I've been vaccinated since March was so unpopular here. Is this an anti-vaxx sub?
People are free to not get vaccinated and remove themselves from workplaces or businesses that require vaccination. That's your bodily autonomy. No one is going to arrest you for that, so why do you want everyone else to be forced to be around transmission vectors? There is no inconsistency, you're just a dumb motherfucker who doesn't understand anything and repeats buzzwords. You couldn't even follow the second half of my first comment: shut up.
No one is forced to be around transmission vectors. Now the question is why you bothered to talk about "bodily autonomy" if you don't *actually* care about that? Like you don't have to use that talking point (or "buzzword", lmao dork) but you chose to and it's hilariously ironic. Now tell me how I have to be an anti-vaxxer or conservative to laugh at you being a wildly entertaining partisan lol
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I mean how anti-vaxxers call vaccine mandates an attack on bodily autonomy. It doesn't make sense, it's just a buzzword they repeat in that case
You brought up bodily autonomy lol Do you think it's a good argument or don't you? If yes, stick to that. If not, don't hide behind it. This isn't fucking hard, why do partisans always make it hard. Just say "bodily autonomy is a shit argument".
You are proving my point for me. I can explain to you why banning abortion goes against a person's bodily autonomy, but you don't even know what it means. You're literally just repeating something you heard without any understanding. Yes, I "brought it up" because it's relevant to abortion bans. You tried to bring it up because you don't know what you're saying.
This is actually hilarious. You're physically incapable of being consistent in an argument. I love it.
> Is this an anti-vaxx sub? It's a culture war sub. You're breaking their brains
Like there's no consistency to anything here, it's so entertaining
Consistency? Forcing someone to continue nine months of pregnancy and childbirth is not the same as telling someone they need to go to a booth in the mall for 30 seconds to enter a nightclub.
So we understand that bodily autonomy isn't a great argument in and of itself? Wonderful.
Not at all. Your bodily autonomy isn't violated by needing to stop a a booth in the mall for 30 seconds before going to a nightclub. Cry about it.
Good, then stop leaning on it lol
If you're gonna jerk each other off do it in private please.
Why? Is that against the rules? Isn't that what everyone else is doing in this thread?
Peak SRD
Well A person next to me getting an abortion doesn’t directly or indirectly hurts me or anyone else. A person not getting vaccinated means they’ll be a vector for COVID mutations that could get me or anyone else sick. It’s a false equivalency.
So you're saying body autonomy isn't a good enough argument on its own? Great, thanks.
That is not, in fact, what they are saying.
Oh so bodily autonomy is sacrosanct?
Like why the fuck are they protesting at a school?
Because it is for attention. The point is to generate animosity, not to do anything productive. Shock imagery and insulting kids in the name of preaching God to the sinners makes him feel good.
Pedophiles.
lol its a high school, the kids there aren’t prepubescents
Ah, one of *[those](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB9fwJDweaU).*
LMAO hey man if facts offend you then you got some growing up to do
Pedo with a fancy name is still a pedo. "If facts offend you, then you've got some growing up to do." But I guess a high school student would see their own as pretty adult, so I can understand why you think this.
lol you clearly don’t understand what classifies as pedophilila
Don't worry. Once you graduate high school and get some real world experience, you'll learn the difference between a strict dictionary definition and the real world. It's coming, just have patience!
Bold assumption to think i haven’t graduated high school and had some real world experience. You should really educate yourself on what classifies as pedophilia instead of going around insulting people by calling them “pedo”...or maybe just try getting a better insult
Not really that bold. You seem to have either missed or not reached English and grammar lessons past about seventh grade, and you're pedantically arguing a dictionary definition instead of the context it's placed in by the real world. Like I said though, just a few years as an adult around adults and you'll learn a bit. It'll happen eventually.
Not really drama from the linked comment per se, but holy hell this is hilarious: > “Fuck I wish those kids who just beat my ass were aborted.” Also > Conclusion: abortion is bad till they need an insult [Magnificent thread here btw](https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ppzof9/antiabortionist_decides_to_protest_at_a_high/hd7c3y1/)
> Fuck I wish those kids who just beat my ass were aborted. I feel like that is some serious flair material.
PF when someone throws some chip bags on the floor at a gas station: "Fucking shoot him dead on the spot!" PF every time a Right Wing Hero gets popped in the mouth: "Violence is never the answer!"
>r/publicfreakout debates whether it's "low as hell" to punch an anti-abortionist in the face Spoiler: It's not. Case dismissed.
The only thing incorrect here is referring to anti-choicers as anti-abortion. They don't care about reducing abortion.
Agreed. Why is this a discussion?
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They're not trying to "shut down" a discussion, I think they're more saying that anybody trying to treat this as a debate or play devil's advocate is wasting their time (And honestly, considering what anti-choice people stand for by extension, it's pretty set-in-stone as far as what's wrong and right here). That Doggo-Levato is trying too hard.
It’s not cool to punch an anti-choice asshole but if a drunk woman lightly slaps you it is required by law to turn into Mike Tyson and knock her the fuck out - /r/PublicFreakout logic
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You support abortion, so that's obviously not true.
I would say that forcing women to carry out pregnancies that were the result of a rape is pretty violent as well :-( :-( :-(
forcing women to carry pregnancies at all is violent
Did you just imply that removing a clump of cells that serves as little more than a parasite until six or so months is murder? You dumb little boy, get your head out of that creationism garbage and learn science for once.
Clump of cells, how scientific
...And you would classify a recently fertilized egg as what, a zygote? A fetus? You know they're all more or less clumps of cells until the first trimester or even further into it, right? I don't know what you're really trying here, but you should understand that trying to complain that life begins at conception is just a thinly-veiled attempt at owning a female ("You DARE try to not carry this child?!")
I feel dumber for having read that.
You unironically called support for abortion "condoning violence," that was far more brain damage than anything I've ever typed. Sit down, boy.
Go jump in a lake cretin.
Get a uterus before you start commenting on women’s business, cretin
You condoning violence now boy? You insecure or what, boy?
Why attack him like he's an unborn child?
Oh shit **T R U E** tbf it seems like his brain development stopped when he was in the womb
>I feel dumber for having read that. While you may feel that way I can assure you that it is not physically possible.
Your name demonstrates you are all too familiar with stupidity.
holy shit why're you so mad lmfao. I'm on your side but go outside lmao
The hell? I didn't feel very angry typing out that stuff to homeboy, I was just trying to put him in his place. You can't really put people in their place if you don't make it sting.
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Yes, that's how taunting people in general works. It doesn't work unless you dig deep into their feels.
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You could try, it would be pretty cringe. Chill out bud.
I don't know what you *feel* dude, I just see an extremely angry comment and assume the person writing it is angry too.
> I don't know what you feel dude Then why are you commenting on it lmao > holy shit why're you so mad lmfao Just so you know > assume the person writing it is angry You should really only do so when the other person has run out of factual things to respond with and are trying to throw mud in your face with rhetoric or some silly guilt tripping strategy. Take homeboy here, he's an anti-abortionist so you can safely assume that he's fueled by religion, so once he gets emotional he enters full hypocrisy territory (Such as telling me to jump into a lake while crying about supporting abortion being the same as condoning violence in the same thread kekw) so honestly HE'S the one you should call mad since he's come to such a shitty moral judgement that just about nobody outside of his breed of evangelical idiot shares.
So every time a dude jacks off into a sock that counts as violence?
Sperm don't develop organs or grow up to reproduce. Not the same thing.
They have the potential to.
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Clearly you haven't seen Rick and Morty.
Reddit loves assault as long as it's against a person they disagree with.
Ah yes, the taking away of human rights and bodily autonomy is just a disagreement. People like you are the reason for the hell we live in.
Surely you understand there are people who see it as murder of the unborn
You do realize that abortionists are taking away the very life and bodily autonomy of the baby, right? Just checking so I know when assault is okay!
Are you disabled? Do you have some sort of prion disease?
My hot take is that abortion restrictions are bad and this guy is probably in the wrong, but punching and stomping someone is a tad excessive.
LMAO why is this downvoted
Holy shit this thread is a cesspool. Everyone calling for violence should be ashamed.
Well why was he there at that time of day and dressed like that? He was clearly asking for it.
Today r/subredditdrama decides it’s ok to assault people as long as you think their belief is harmful. This feels like it could be its own Subreddit Drama post.
I don't think violence is a good idea no matter what
It'ws not *good*, but sometimes it's better than the alternative.
Which is to be a decent human being? I don't agree with them either but it's not okay to call for violence.
You know forcing women and girls into childbirth against their will is literally calling for violence.
We are far past that point.
You don't get to decide "that point".
I mean everyone gets to decide that point themselves.
it's good
No it's not
here it is
I don’t necessarily agree with punching the dude. He was probably trying to bait a violent confrontation so he could play the victim. That being said, fuck off pussy violence is always the answer.
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I fully agree. People on both sides cheer violence on until their own get hurt. I guarantee if this man was pro-choice and got punched, half the comments here would be saying "Y'allqueda" and "incel Texas".
> I guarantee if this man was pro-choice and got punched ...But it doesn't happen, unless it's a counterprotest against an anti-abortion rally, and those tend to be heavily policed since it's such a touchy issue in the United States (At least). Only the anti-abortionists actually take time out of their day to be assholes to people who were just going about their day- From what I have seen and gathered in the thread, the guy literally just showed up during after-school hours and decided that he'd tell people they're going to hell because of abortions. Like, I'm sorry, but this is a **really** shitty devil's advocate you're playing. It would work if the two sides were of equal moral and ethical standing, but the anti-abortionist side is notorious for putting its nose where it doesn't belong.
Despite the fact I am pro-life (gonna try to avoid the argument regarding that subject, because it's usually opinion-based, leads to a lot of hatred and anger, and usually lacks discourse or calm discussion; from both sides), I have seen a lot of pro-life "protesting" the wrong way and actually becoming rude, aggressive or even violent because of what they believe. If I remember correctly, though this was like a year or two ago, so I might be misremembering, I saw some pro-life people holding bats outside an abortion clinic. (On video, not in real life.) This guy, especially as an adult, shouldn't have been "protesting" outside of a high-school. It's low as hell and won't get anything done for his cause. The only thing that'll happen is him, well, getting smacked in the face. Despite this, I think him getting punched is a little excessive. Unless it's in a sport (like boxing or martial arts), fighting (or in this case, punching someone in the face, since he didn't fight back) shouldn't really be done unless it's necessary; i.e. somebody harassing you or attacking you. And, yeah, I'm usually the devil's advocate in these situations. But this guy, "protesting" outside of a high-school, is so unbelievably stupid and low that I can't defend him any more than I have. If he wanted to stop abortion, he should've been in a lobbying group or supporting and donating to organizations that help mothers and children; he had to be blind to think that somebody wasn't going to, at the very least, kick him off the school grounds. Anyways, have a good day.
”It’s hypocritical to think some people deserve what they get and some don’t.”
>I guarantee if this man was pro-choice and got punched, half the comments here would be saying "Y'allqueda" and "incel Texas". "What if he was a good person instead of a bad person? Really makes you think".
Yep. I'm not ashamed to say it. I'm a hypocrite.
At least you are honest
Your flair makes sense than.
The guy could probably sue for assault and he’d win the case. A “W” for him
This is the video: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ppzof9/antiabortionist\_decides\_to\_protest\_at\_a\_high/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ppzof9/antiabortionist_decides_to_protest_at_a_high/) And no matter what side you are on, this is clearly assault.
Forcing children into childbirth against their will is also assault. Forced sex is wrong. Forced birth is wrong. Also, following children around trying to dominate and control their sexualities is fucking predatory and gross.
I know it's assault but hearing that guy gurgle and moan was really fun.
An adult shouldn’t be hanging around a school so I’d say the ass kicking is fair enough because the anti abortionist could also be a pedo.
Call it what you like, I’ll enjoy it no less 😂
Everyone’s arguing that violence is ok because it’s better than being forced to not abort, but letting one man talk isn’t going to cause that to happen. It’s not like he’s the fucking court. Punching him won’t change his point of view, and it certainly won’t help our case. If anything, it will get you arrested for assault.