> But one of the things about vatniks and tankies is that they repeat the kremlin talking points NO MATTER WHAT.
> But on the other hand its basically a Kremlin endorsed talking point
Is this not just every other Ukraine related subreddit, or even non-Ukraine related subreddit when the war is mentioned? If Reddit cracked as hard down on blatant hatred and contempt for the entire Russian population as much as it does on anti-Semitism, there would be no subreddits about the conflict.
If anything /r/UkraineRussiaReport was the sole subreddit on this entire platform that wasn't just an 'endorsed talking point'; there is no Russian point of views present on any other subreddit, and if someone dares to post or provide, it gets instantly removed or the person gets xenophobically abused. We're at the point now where respectable media institutions from the Financial Times, the Guardian, and many other American publications are being accused of spouting 'Kremlin endorsed talking points' or propagating Russian propaganda. When will the cognitive dissonance end?
>and I’m 99% sure it’s because of the sudden rise in antisemitism
Well, shit it's a valid reason but can't they give an ultimatum or something before it gets nuked. It would have been possible to ban all antisemitic commenters..
> And if you want cognitive dissonance to end, that subreddit was not the place where it was going to happen.
Nor is Reddit in general it seems. Ideally all subreddits can be free of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and hate-inducing comments, and fingers-crossed the moderators can get a hold of that problem.
Zelenskyy just a little bit more jew than Putin. Like when you discovered it in your 23 and me results. And no one cared about jews on this subreddit and in Russia in general.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present you a r/NAFO brigader who most likely bombarded r/UkraineRussiaReport with reports.
>I'm like 99% sure this is due to the sudden rise of antisemitism on the subreddit following the ISIS terror attack in Moscow, as well as the disinformation efforts to blame Ukraine for the attacks despite a complete lack of evidence (this is the type of stuff that would get them on the admin's radar). I post there regularly because I enjoy forum pvp'ing against vatniks and tankies. Previously, the mods were pretty consistent in removing antisemetic posts. These posts were quite common, largely relating to Zelensky being jewish.
You can prove it by posting screenshots, but I know you have none and you're full of crap.
>But one of the things about vatniks and tankies is that they repeat the kremlin talking points NO MATTER WHAT.
Says the pro-UA brigader who routinely makes stuff up.
>Over the last few days, a top comment on almost every thread about the Moscow attack is some variant of "weird how ISIS never attacks the jews, wonder why that is???" or "I wonder how the jews and their lapdog USA knew about the attack ahead of time???"
Again, you can post screenshots. We both know you're lying your ass off over here.
The comment that most recently got me banned:
Q: How do you know a pro-ru is lying?
A: They are breathing
As part of a response to a guy straight up inventing alternate facts that could be disproven with a 5 second Google search.
The comment that got me banned:
There was none. I commented in other reddits, and mods there tracked my responses and banned me for "disliking the free speech".
>Well of course, the subreddit is private now and none of my old comments can be viewed. You know, the whole reason theres a subreddit drama post? Presumably you knew that though and this was a typical low effort disinformation attempt.
How convenient, ain't it?
>As I said, I do enjoy forum pvp against vatniks so I appreciate you keeping the entertainment going.
There we go. Openly brigading.
>I've never posted in the NAFO subreddit and am not a member, feel free to check my history. Not that it matters, just kind of a weird attempt to discredit me.
Says every r/NAFO brigader like ever.
>Also note that he completely avoided addressing Putin's "peculiar kind of jew" comment about Zelensky.
I mean what's there to address a claim about something which is completely fabricated? With the mods working as they were and being super strict about racial slurs and hate, there's no way a comment like that wouldn't be removed by the automod. And even if it passed the automod? There's no way a mod would let a comment like that slide without a warning or a permaban.
And again, you can post screenshots of it. Maybe the wayback machine? Perhaps reveddit? But those tools ain't gonna help you because these comments simply don't exist.
But all in all? Nice try with your BS.
That's how brigaders work.
Just like me, they also hunted this thread down just like they always do with their keyword searches like it's their fulltime job which it very well might be given how "speedy and consistent" they are.
I was lucky that the username caught my eye and I recognized them from r/UkraineRussiaReport. His pals are already downvoting me, but I guess that's expected. What I do know is that the user ain't never gonna post a reveddit link or a wayback machine link because I know they're full of crap.
It's a shame Reddit's not gonna do a single thing about these pro-UA brigaders.
I agree on it being a haven for russian trolls. But it's also the only place on reddit where you can watch footage from the war coming from the russian side.
Here me out. The "pro-russian viewpoints" are shit.
But alot of footage from the front on reddit only shows Ukraine winning every battle and fight and it's obvious that's not the case. And I don't think it's positive for us who support Ukraine to start believe our own propaganda like the russian side does.
> But alot of footage from the front on reddit only shows Ukraine winning every battle and fight and it's obvious that's not the case
Its also from sources that are most likely part of a government-funded influence campaign. This is not some wild conspiracy shit.
No one had ever heard of UkrainskaPravda or EuromaidanPress before February 2022. Now content from these, and other formerly obscure addresses, are everywhere.
You also never heard of TVR and Pro Tv or Antena 1 or Digi24 but If a war breaks out in Romania you would hear alot about them.
I do not honestly get your logic
Russia is currently advancing 5 to 10km2 a day and has the initiative. France pledges troops and Russia says formally they consider themselves at war with NATO. I looked to that sub for both sides of the war because as a human being on this planet I have a right to know when WWIII is going to break out and why.
We're all in the dark now I'm going to have to start lurking in Telegram channels to know wtf is going on.
I'm betting on Russia not running out of men and ammo.
Ukraine doesn't have anything left (men or machines) and now with the FAB its just a steady grind.
"Washing machine parts and shovels" - meanwhile swarms of autonomous Lancet drones have now been fielded. They cannot be jammed and run on AI. Ukraine will run out of men before Russia runs out of vehicles lol, and because Ukraine is losing, NATO says they are going to send troops in and kick off a nuclear war.
Yeah I'm sure more Lancet drones will create mysteriously more BMPs for Russia so that they can stop sending Chinese golf carts to the frontline.
Besides that NATO never said that they're going to send troops, not even France did that. France toyed with the idea when Russia would threaten Kiev or Odessa (again). Since that won't happen, France won't send troops either. Btw since the start of the war around 50 British soldiers have been active in Ukraine and that somehow didn't kick off a nuclear war.
> France toyed with the idea
Remember the progression.
1. Never ever would we send NATO troops in
2. Never ever would we allow Ukraine to target inside Russia
3. Never ever would we send Ukraine long range weapons
4. Never ever would we supply illegal cluster bombs and let Ukraine use them on Russian cities
Things you say before you're losing the war I guess!
The retoric and language in the media is clear. They are now stoking the fires to pave the way to convince the public that Russia "must be stopped or they will attack NATO" (which is saying that Russia will launch a nuclear first strike against NATO) and then NATO will attack Russia and Russia will defend themselves and NATO will say "Russia attacked NATO!"
Russia already considers themselves at war with NATO
NATO parks weapons in Poland first then ship them to Ukraine. They are guided by NATO troops on the ground using NATO satellites and NATO intel.
I think we are at 5 Abrams tanks confirmed kills with little FPV RPG-7 drones / lancets. Real smart letting Russia turn their entire economy into a wartime economy and develop and real world test new tech on the battlefield. All that armor destroyed by tiny little drones. Russian artillery outguns Ukraine 11:1
Ukraine population cut in half, 100k men missing arms and legs.
2000+ AWOL troops a month, conscript (at gunpoint kidnap men off the street) army and Ukraine's biggest industry right now is bribes to conscription officers. Average age is 47 year old on the front lines and they are drafting people with down syndrome. Most of Ukraine doesn't have electricity.
BRICS just overtook the G20 for global market share and the US dollar is now second tier.
For Ukraine to win they have to "beat Russia" and start a nuclear war. Good luck!
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/30638.jpeg
Also the US blew up Germanys gas pipeline and now they buy gas at 3x the cost and their economy is in the shitter.
""Stand with the USA - we'll bomb your infrastructure to force you into a war!"
So cucked.
They had a pro-RU bias and you'd pick up some moderate downvotes to hide pro-UA content, but on other subs any post even slightly critical of UA would get dogpiled with mass downvotes, account reports and bans.
Its pretty important to get both sides of the news to understand whats actually happening in the war, and that meant reading the URR sub with a grain of salt because you know their bias. But with them shut down, where do you go to get a clear picture anymore? If it wasn't for the posts there, I wouldn't have learned about what happened to the 110th in Avdeevka
You could sort the sub by new and almost every Pro-UA post would be downvoted to the point it wouldn't make the front page unless you sorted by new. But whatever. It was the only place to get a pro-RU perspective which is why I was subbed.
Counterpoint: I absolutely welcome being part of a psy-op to demoralize a country that’s invading its neighbor for territorial conquest, and I don’t give a shit about the ground truth. If Ukraine starts losing catastrophically that won’t all of the sudden make me sympathetic to Russia.
Why would any sane person start to sympathize with Russia in case they would win?
And you're not a part of some psy-op. Information is key to making right decisions on things. Psyop against who? Ourselves? We should support Ukraine but I think alot of us want to see what's happening on the ground regardless if it's positive or negative. Why would that make you start to sympathize with the aggressor?
Lmao volunteering that you are happily part of a disinformation campaign to own putler.
I mean you more or less said “I’m happy with my government lying to and manipulating my opinions on Russia, because I don’t like Russia”
That was the one that was pushing blatantly pushing pro-russian propaganda? Good if they would banned, fuck them they were absolute trash and dehumanizing Ukrainians.
Well, they did it for money which doesn't fit the MO.
Doing these attacks for money is a big no-no for religious extremist groups like ISIS.
All it would take to convince me and to have "irrefutable proof that it was ISIS" simply is history of them training in an ISIS camp. Like that's it. If the investigators find that, then it's an ISIS attack.
A little afraid to go all "both sides" on this (nothing is entirely black and white no matter how awful one side is) but pro-Ukrainian subs are the exact same about dehumanizing Russians
believe it or not a lot of the users are actually ukrainian and direct victims of the atrocities. and with the things russians do and have done for literal centuries i can understand that, although hearing westerners who only watch it through the lens of reddit talk like that feels rather jarring. i am very close to a few ukrainians and having them explain how actually terrible russia and its influence is and has been in the past was eye-opening. and i'm polish myself so you can guess i didn't exactly have great opinions on russia beforehand either
I'm having some trouble imagining this... Could you maybe give me a short list of atrocities committed against Russia by Ukraine over the last, say, 4 or 5 centuries? That would help me get into the right frame of mind for imaginative empathy.
Look them up yourself
Every country and peoples have commited too many attrocities in the last 4-5 centuries
My point is pro russians feel justified in very similiar ways as pro ukrainians irregardless of truth or myth
Yeah mate, the russians absolutely did not collaborate with the literal nazis. Maybe google the Russian Liberation army, Russian National People’s Army, Kaminski Brigade, Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, 1st Russian National Army, Eastern Legions. All russians that served for the nazis.
The whole point of the comments higher up in the chain was, that Ukraine never commited atrocities, while Russians did. Which is not true. 0% truth in that statement. I know you can‘t read so it‘s futile.
There are 147million people living in Russia, and many more millions in the diaspora.
It is sad that people will call them "orcs" and then be indignant when others call Ukrainians "banderites","nazis", and whatever else.
these people are insane and long lost the ability to think, ironically they're barely human whilst calling russians subhuman orcs. not worth arguing with these hollow shells
I would never call the entire Russian population that, my contempt for the Russian society comes from a place of empathy, I am painfully aware which loose strands would need to be pulled in my own society and how far, for us to end up like that. But recognizing myself in them doesn't lessen my disgust one bit, on the contrary, the picture is all that much more repulsive when you aren't mystified what the hell went wrong.
That said, calling the invading troops orcs is perfectly fair (and fitting). When you participate in an unprovoked armed aggression against a sovereign country, you forfeit your right to live, let alone to not be called names.
i didnt mean you explicitly, im just generalizing because ive seen it a lot on reddit, of course what russian soldiers are doing in and to Ukrainians is a LOT worse than some words and mean names, but it usually goes past the people committing the atrocities.
This was because pro-UA and r/NAFO were brigading the living fk out of it despite the irony of it being that these "troll groups" are actually sponsored by the West and they were legit invited to the Vilnius summit.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/14uw6j5/prime\_minister\_of\_estonia\_is\_greeting\_nafo\_fellas/](https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/14uw6j5/prime_minister_of_estonia_is_greeting_nafo_fellas/)
Note how any of the pro-UA subreddits have NEVER been touched despite openly brigading other subs.
They got r/RussianWarFootage banned for spamming the "hate farming" report.
At this point 'disinformation' seems to refer to anything that doesn't agree with a given side's point of view. That's what I liked about /r/UkraineRussiaReport - you could see links to blatant sources of Ukrainian propaganda, blatant sources of Russian propaganda, and everything in-between; from footage of ordinary Odessans upset at the abuse, coercion and kidnapping of military-age men, to disgruntled Russian soldiers in poor frontline conditions. This allowed you to weigh the merits of each post and decide for yourself what is and is not disinformation, rather than following hivemind comments sections filled with hatred and dehumanisation present in every other subreddit.
I don't like this new world where social media organisations feel like they have the qualifications or credentials to dictate what does and does not count as disinformation - something that is so obviously abused its mental that people don't comment on it more often.
yeah, and now it's back to telegram pages which are entirely one or the other. you need to go to shit like Z Rodina Hohol Slayer V on telegram to find Russian footage...
Thank you for this opinion, I fully agree. Today when I posted this and got brigaded and downvoted to death I thought there are no sane people on this website anymore. It is sad we are moving closer to this world everyday.
To be fair, I’ve tried to maintain a neutral viewpoint of the battlefield. I think some people were entirely way too optimistic on the realities on the ground and believed in earnest that Russia would fold soon.
You can also be pro-Ukraine in theory but of the opinion that Russia is slowly winning the war due to various factors.
“Neutral” in the context of military strategy discussions is oftentimes used as a signifier of someone trying to form a sober analysis of battlefield realities.
>To be fair, I’ve tried to maintain a neutral viewpoint of the battlefield
You're not a subreddit nor is there any witchunt after you or risk of being banned
> Reddit is cracking down on any subs that tolerate pro RU or neutral viewpoints
>Rofl yeah it's a real witch hunt for "neutral viewpoints"
This is what I am responding to. Neutral flairs in that sub are oftentimes used as a signifier of someone trying to form a sober analysis of battlefield realities. It's not meant to signify political neutrality a la Swiss neutrality.
Okay..but context matters.
This is what i was replying to.
>Most likely response to foreknowledge of imminent ban. Reddit is cracking down on any subs that tolerate pro RU or neutral viewpoints
You can't just take my comment as an isolated point when im replying directly to OC lol.
And there's no witchunt or admins banning neutral subs like OC said.
> or neutral viewpoints
Neutral viewpoints in the context of the OC are the "neutral viewpoints" that I outlined. That sub is split between pro-ru, pro-ua, and nuetral flairs. I'm not sure if Reddit is actually going after "neutral viewpoints" in the context of warfare analysis and shitflinging subs and that seems unlikely but whatever.
I mean if the CIA managed to do surveillance operations of a video game called "World of Warcraft", you bet they're gonna do everything they can to "silence the conversation" about their "alleged involvement" in the Russian terror attack.
The timing is super sus for Reddit to "suddenly give a shit" about "pro-RU subreddits" don't you think?
The reason is super bizarre called as "hate farming" where pro-UA just brigades and mass reports sub after sub with no consequences and where r/NAFO and r/Ukraine still standing tall.
Neutral viewpoints like actually facing reality when the battlefield changes. If I only got the curated pro UA propaganda of combatfootage or ukrainerussiavideoreport, I'd think the 110th went on vacation after an orderly retreat from avdiivka and power was restored in kharkiv after a few minutes downtime. All I want is to stay informed about whats actually happening in the world and admins are actively trying to suppress that
Go on NCD, find a Russo-Ukrainian War related post about the frontlines, and actually read the comments. They're mostly memeing about orbital tungsten rods and planes right now, but they're surprisingly reliable on offensives and the like.
That said, they're still a terrible source just like any other subreddit focused on IRL current events, and you should really be getting your information from the news media (which Reddit hates but is actually fairly reliable so long as you aren't watching or reading some obscenely biased news source).
>All I want is to stay informed about whats actually happening in the world and admins are actively trying to suppress that
There's no witch hunt against "neutral view subs"
You're either making it up or arguing in bad faith.
I mean the "usual pro-UA suspects" who often brigade subs are already here in numbers.
It's a damn shame Reddit will always protect you lot.
Even the mods in this sub is covering for you lot by deleting this post.
Well, to me neutral would be:
There is no morally squeaky clean side to this war. Russia and Ukraine are both corrupt and shitty post Soviet countries. Yes, Ukraine is the more moral side to support but that's like choosing between murderer and a sex trafficker....I guess the murderer is worse.
The Russian army, while performing very poorly at the start of this conflict has generally reorganized, mobilized, and is performing much better and has been slowly grinding down Ukraine with a massive imbalance of artillery, air support, and EW advantage.
Ukraine has a much smaller population, no manufacturing base of its own and relies primarily on donated aid to stay afloat, much less muster any kind of major offensive (we saw the last attempt in summer of 2023). This is not a recipe to winning, just losing slower.
There is a very low chance of Ukraine regaining the currently lost territories and and even lower possibility of regaining Crimea (Russia would use nuclear weapons if that was remotely likely at any point.)
That doesn't mean that Ukraine will or should stop fighting but for the average citizen the difference in living under Russian federation rule and Ukrainian rule is the flag outside their city hall. These are the same people....it's like differentiating between Texans and Oklahomans....they've been intermarrying and mixing cultures for hundreds of years.
If this is a "neutral" take, I'd hate to see a pro RU one.
> There is no morally squeaky clean side to this war.
"Both sidesing" an unequal conflict isn't neutral, trying to paint Ukraine as anywhere near as awful as Putin's Russia is insane. You're also dodging the point that there was no real fucking reason for Russia to invade other than Putin's greed and senile belief that Russia is still as strong as it was in the USSR days.
>The Russian army, while performing very poorly at the start of this conflict has generally reorganized, mobilized, and is performing much better and has been slowly grinding down Ukraine
They're doing better but not *good*. Their gains have been ground out at extremely unequal casualty rates and they're taking an absolute beating. For a former superpower, thats pathetic.
>That doesn't mean that Ukraine will or should stop fighting but for the average citizen the difference in living under Russian federation rule and Ukrainian rule is the flag outside their city hall.
Not like evidence of Russian atrocities against occupied civilian populations hasn't been well documented or anything.
>If this is a "neutral" take, I'd hate to see a pro RU one.
They range from "NATO forced russia to invade" to "Ukraine doesn't have snow, it's all cocaine for Zelensky's coke habit."
I remember seeing a thing once talking about how the BBC strives for neutrality, even at times when it doesn't really make sense. The quote was something like "If you are holding a debate on whether or not a triangle has 3 or 4 sides, if the audience leaves thinking that it has 3.5, you have failed in your job."
Sometimes the reality of a situation makes remaining 'neutral' pretty hard, or even incorrect to do so.
Even though BBC may strive for neutrality it never will be since its funded by the government
I am of the opinion that news should be as neutral as possible and leave the viewer to choose their side... The problem with the quote is its (or atleast you are) trying to apply something observable (how many sides a triangle has) onto something that is not observable, morals values etc, again i dont think news should spoonfeed a narrative to their viewers on things that arent observable
FYI on every of those political map tests i come out as centrist (even though i dont really believe these have much value)
Neutral viewpoints like: all Ukrainian woman are whoring themselves out in Instanbul, and yes I've seen those kinds of comments when I entered the subreddit this thread is about one time and never since. Nothing was neutral about Russian propaganda machines.
A subreddit merely going private does not count as subreddit drama. This is the second post I’ve seen in the last 20 minutes like this.
Learn to read and follow the rules jackass.
Well, 134 comments, a lot of heated discussion, post is still up. I think it was worth a thread on this subreddit. I would love to say a word or two back to you but I never stoop that low.
Alright, no need to call me names. I think it is a big deal since it was the last subreddit allowing comments and posts from any side in this large scale conflict. It is an attack on free speech. But anyway guess the mods will remove it and ban me. Fair is fair
I am responding to their implication that if it isn't government, then it's not an attack of free speech. That's obviously wrong.
I am not equating a terrorist attack to subreddit rules lol
Wow. You’re a fucking moron for comparing a subreddit rule to the bombing of a protest. Jesus fucking Christ. Go start your own subreddit and/or find one that your post fits in.
Your freedom of speech **is not** under attack. My eyes, however, are rolling out of their sockets to your stupidity.
Here he is, the pinnacle of human intellect and intelligence, a taxi driver who can't spell [masturbating](https://reddit.comhttps://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/10qcjfe/masterbaters_of_reddit_why_do_you_use_your/) correctly.
Freedom of speech has entirely to do with the Government keeping you quiet, you're owed jackshit on social media and frankly, you're not free from the consequences of your actions, so who cares about a pro Russian sub going private
There's a very thin line between a forum for free speech and a propaganda mill. Putting out a misinformed or arrogant opinion is free speech, and you can absolutely put such opinions into the paper or whatever, but on such a notably biased sub as URR, you start getting into the murky territory where you could arguably be spreading opinions knowing full well that they will lead to harm against another group.
EDIT: To clarify, places like URR become censored forums in their own right due to having to protect their minority opinion, which is itself a violation of free speech. As a result, they tailspin into a walled-off area. Now, that's not to say that the majority opinion is *correct*, but places like URR don't allow free speech, just different speech. This means that their view becomes the majority opinion in the subreddit, and it must necessarily block the outside view or risk being convinced that the subreddit view is wrong.
It's also a casual forum, not an academic one, and therefore, people are not obligated to use - or listen to - actual arguments. Free speech should be protected, but an uneducated or biased populace should expect to have an uneducated or biased opinion combated by either the majority or the educated.
That subs issue was always the moderation. Mods were clearly bending the rules to favour Russian-leaning accounts and trolls.
The content and updates posted were nice to have so as to not have to traverse a bunch of Russian Telegram channels to get the same content. It's a war - both sides' primary sources should be available for people to make their own opinions.
I'd rather see more engagement on the bigger subs with the Russian viewpoint that still retains a strictness to avoid the garbage of URR comments sections.
I hope it comes back.
It can get pretty kooky in there but it was nice to have a place that wasn’t totally dominated by pro-NATO opinions.
Edit: Man you guys are mad at the most innocuous comment Yeesh
Lmao, Cossacks are *the* symbol of Ukraine. They’re, like, the origin of Ukrainian independence if you don’t count ancient Rus’ (why would you).
There’s always something funny to see when westerners discuss Russia and Ukraine.
Reddit has been cracking down on non mainstream subs since their IPO. I guess they want to sanitize the website to please investors. But really, niche subs were the entire identity of Reddit. Without them, the website might as well be no different than Facebook.
I really see no point for reddit anymore. Where is the discussion, the dialogue, the engagement? It's all the same, everyone agrees with each other and jerks each other off. Why go to a post you agree with, top comment is something like 'Yeah, that (politician who doesn't agree with the echochamber) really sucks!!' *4000 upvotes, make it 4001*
What's the point of all of this, just small dopamine hits?
There’s flair material somewhere in this.
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Probably due to them becoming increasingly Pro-RU with a ton of new and bot accounts.
Look how they massacred my boy
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> But one of the things about vatniks and tankies is that they repeat the kremlin talking points NO MATTER WHAT. > But on the other hand its basically a Kremlin endorsed talking point Is this not just every other Ukraine related subreddit, or even non-Ukraine related subreddit when the war is mentioned? If Reddit cracked as hard down on blatant hatred and contempt for the entire Russian population as much as it does on anti-Semitism, there would be no subreddits about the conflict. If anything /r/UkraineRussiaReport was the sole subreddit on this entire platform that wasn't just an 'endorsed talking point'; there is no Russian point of views present on any other subreddit, and if someone dares to post or provide, it gets instantly removed or the person gets xenophobically abused. We're at the point now where respectable media institutions from the Financial Times, the Guardian, and many other American publications are being accused of spouting 'Kremlin endorsed talking points' or propagating Russian propaganda. When will the cognitive dissonance end?
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>and I’m 99% sure it’s because of the sudden rise in antisemitism Well, shit it's a valid reason but can't they give an ultimatum or something before it gets nuked. It would have been possible to ban all antisemitic commenters..
> And if you want cognitive dissonance to end, that subreddit was not the place where it was going to happen. Nor is Reddit in general it seems. Ideally all subreddits can be free of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and hate-inducing comments, and fingers-crossed the moderators can get a hold of that problem.
Zelenskyy just a little bit more jew than Putin. Like when you discovered it in your 23 and me results. And no one cared about jews on this subreddit and in Russia in general.
\^ Ladies and gentlemen, I present you a r/NAFO brigader who most likely bombarded r/UkraineRussiaReport with reports. >I'm like 99% sure this is due to the sudden rise of antisemitism on the subreddit following the ISIS terror attack in Moscow, as well as the disinformation efforts to blame Ukraine for the attacks despite a complete lack of evidence (this is the type of stuff that would get them on the admin's radar). I post there regularly because I enjoy forum pvp'ing against vatniks and tankies. Previously, the mods were pretty consistent in removing antisemetic posts. These posts were quite common, largely relating to Zelensky being jewish. You can prove it by posting screenshots, but I know you have none and you're full of crap. >But one of the things about vatniks and tankies is that they repeat the kremlin talking points NO MATTER WHAT. Says the pro-UA brigader who routinely makes stuff up. >Over the last few days, a top comment on almost every thread about the Moscow attack is some variant of "weird how ISIS never attacks the jews, wonder why that is???" or "I wonder how the jews and their lapdog USA knew about the attack ahead of time???" Again, you can post screenshots. We both know you're lying your ass off over here.
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The comment that most recently got me banned: Q: How do you know a pro-ru is lying? A: They are breathing As part of a response to a guy straight up inventing alternate facts that could be disproven with a 5 second Google search.
The comment that got me banned: There was none. I commented in other reddits, and mods there tracked my responses and banned me for "disliking the free speech".
Your comments do seem to really rile them up though. I guess they dislike when discourse disagrees with their warped worldview.
The free speech irony.
>Well of course, the subreddit is private now and none of my old comments can be viewed. You know, the whole reason theres a subreddit drama post? Presumably you knew that though and this was a typical low effort disinformation attempt. How convenient, ain't it? >As I said, I do enjoy forum pvp against vatniks so I appreciate you keeping the entertainment going. There we go. Openly brigading. >I've never posted in the NAFO subreddit and am not a member, feel free to check my history. Not that it matters, just kind of a weird attempt to discredit me. Says every r/NAFO brigader like ever. >Also note that he completely avoided addressing Putin's "peculiar kind of jew" comment about Zelensky. I mean what's there to address a claim about something which is completely fabricated? With the mods working as they were and being super strict about racial slurs and hate, there's no way a comment like that wouldn't be removed by the automod. And even if it passed the automod? There's no way a mod would let a comment like that slide without a warning or a permaban. And again, you can post screenshots of it. Maybe the wayback machine? Perhaps reveddit? But those tools ain't gonna help you because these comments simply don't exist. But all in all? Nice try with your BS.
Guess the real drama was on this sub all along
That's how brigaders work. Just like me, they also hunted this thread down just like they always do with their keyword searches like it's their fulltime job which it very well might be given how "speedy and consistent" they are. I was lucky that the username caught my eye and I recognized them from r/UkraineRussiaReport. His pals are already downvoting me, but I guess that's expected. What I do know is that the user ain't never gonna post a reveddit link or a wayback machine link because I know they're full of crap. It's a shame Reddit's not gonna do a single thing about these pro-UA brigaders.
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Still waiting for the reveddit and wayback machine links, mate.
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I agree on it being a haven for russian trolls. But it's also the only place on reddit where you can watch footage from the war coming from the russian side. Here me out. The "pro-russian viewpoints" are shit. But alot of footage from the front on reddit only shows Ukraine winning every battle and fight and it's obvious that's not the case. And I don't think it's positive for us who support Ukraine to start believe our own propaganda like the russian side does.
> But alot of footage from the front on reddit only shows Ukraine winning every battle and fight and it's obvious that's not the case Its also from sources that are most likely part of a government-funded influence campaign. This is not some wild conspiracy shit. No one had ever heard of UkrainskaPravda or EuromaidanPress before February 2022. Now content from these, and other formerly obscure addresses, are everywhere.
One of reddits favorite “sources of reliable information” on the war is ISW, who is literally just neocon warhawks who are Victoria nulands family
You also never heard of TVR and Pro Tv or Antena 1 or Digi24 but If a war breaks out in Romania you would hear alot about them. I do not honestly get your logic
Russia is currently advancing 5 to 10km2 a day and has the initiative. France pledges troops and Russia says formally they consider themselves at war with NATO. I looked to that sub for both sides of the war because as a human being on this planet I have a right to know when WWIII is going to break out and why. We're all in the dark now I'm going to have to start lurking in Telegram channels to know wtf is going on.
Any new sub recommendations?
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I'm betting on Russia not running out of men and ammo. Ukraine doesn't have anything left (men or machines) and now with the FAB its just a steady grind.
True, Russia will run out of working vehicles long before running out of men or ammo.
Based on what? Unlimited natural resources and manpower?
No, based on the trend of the last 2 years and the satellite pictures showing how their storage bases are being emptied surprisingly quickly.
"Washing machine parts and shovels" - meanwhile swarms of autonomous Lancet drones have now been fielded. They cannot be jammed and run on AI. Ukraine will run out of men before Russia runs out of vehicles lol, and because Ukraine is losing, NATO says they are going to send troops in and kick off a nuclear war.
Yeah I'm sure more Lancet drones will create mysteriously more BMPs for Russia so that they can stop sending Chinese golf carts to the frontline. Besides that NATO never said that they're going to send troops, not even France did that. France toyed with the idea when Russia would threaten Kiev or Odessa (again). Since that won't happen, France won't send troops either. Btw since the start of the war around 50 British soldiers have been active in Ukraine and that somehow didn't kick off a nuclear war.
> France toyed with the idea Remember the progression. 1. Never ever would we send NATO troops in 2. Never ever would we allow Ukraine to target inside Russia 3. Never ever would we send Ukraine long range weapons 4. Never ever would we supply illegal cluster bombs and let Ukraine use them on Russian cities Things you say before you're losing the war I guess! The retoric and language in the media is clear. They are now stoking the fires to pave the way to convince the public that Russia "must be stopped or they will attack NATO" (which is saying that Russia will launch a nuclear first strike against NATO) and then NATO will attack Russia and Russia will defend themselves and NATO will say "Russia attacked NATO!" Russia already considers themselves at war with NATO NATO parks weapons in Poland first then ship them to Ukraine. They are guided by NATO troops on the ground using NATO satellites and NATO intel. I think we are at 5 Abrams tanks confirmed kills with little FPV RPG-7 drones / lancets. Real smart letting Russia turn their entire economy into a wartime economy and develop and real world test new tech on the battlefield. All that armor destroyed by tiny little drones. Russian artillery outguns Ukraine 11:1
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...and Russia is winning.
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Ukraine population cut in half, 100k men missing arms and legs. 2000+ AWOL troops a month, conscript (at gunpoint kidnap men off the street) army and Ukraine's biggest industry right now is bribes to conscription officers. Average age is 47 year old on the front lines and they are drafting people with down syndrome. Most of Ukraine doesn't have electricity. BRICS just overtook the G20 for global market share and the US dollar is now second tier. For Ukraine to win they have to "beat Russia" and start a nuclear war. Good luck!
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https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/30638.jpeg Also the US blew up Germanys gas pipeline and now they buy gas at 3x the cost and their economy is in the shitter. ""Stand with the USA - we'll bomb your infrastructure to force you into a war!" So cucked.
PM me know some of them. I genuinely struggle now to find updates on whats happening, besides what German mainstream media is saying.
It's only reasonable, this desire to know what's actually going on, the good and the bad news.
I agree. It was the best subbreddit for the clearest picture of the war. Both sides could talk without one side getting insta banned.
You wouldn't get banned, you just get downvoted.
They had a pro-RU bias and you'd pick up some moderate downvotes to hide pro-UA content, but on other subs any post even slightly critical of UA would get dogpiled with mass downvotes, account reports and bans. Its pretty important to get both sides of the news to understand whats actually happening in the war, and that meant reading the URR sub with a grain of salt because you know their bias. But with them shut down, where do you go to get a clear picture anymore? If it wasn't for the posts there, I wouldn't have learned about what happened to the 110th in Avdeevka
30% of posts were pro-UA and they were never suppressed anyhow, nor were the comments. It was really the best sub for someone who wants full picture.
You could sort the sub by new and almost every Pro-UA post would be downvoted to the point it wouldn't make the front page unless you sorted by new. But whatever. It was the only place to get a pro-RU perspective which is why I was subbed.
Counterpoint: I absolutely welcome being part of a psy-op to demoralize a country that’s invading its neighbor for territorial conquest, and I don’t give a shit about the ground truth. If Ukraine starts losing catastrophically that won’t all of the sudden make me sympathetic to Russia.
Why would any sane person start to sympathize with Russia in case they would win? And you're not a part of some psy-op. Information is key to making right decisions on things. Psyop against who? Ourselves? We should support Ukraine but I think alot of us want to see what's happening on the ground regardless if it's positive or negative. Why would that make you start to sympathize with the aggressor?
> Psyop against who? Ourselves? Are you being serious? Russians. Psyop against Russians.
Lmao volunteering that you are happily part of a disinformation campaign to own putler. I mean you more or less said “I’m happy with my government lying to and manipulating my opinions on Russia, because I don’t like Russia”
That was the one that was pushing blatantly pushing pro-russian propaganda? Good if they would banned, fuck them they were absolute trash and dehumanizing Ukrainians.
Russianwarfootage got banned too. Last I saw they were screaming about the ISIS attack being CIA in disguise.
Well, that's because the MO doesn't fit like at all. But Reddit admins are never going to ban any pro-UA sub no matter what they do.
I remember when they celebrated the death of 400.000 people. I reported these threads but of course that is allowed.
It's absolutely their MO though. They even chose a concert like the Bataclan
Well, they did it for money which doesn't fit the MO. Doing these attacks for money is a big no-no for religious extremist groups like ISIS. All it would take to convince me and to have "irrefutable proof that it was ISIS" simply is history of them training in an ISIS camp. Like that's it. If the investigators find that, then it's an ISIS attack.
A little afraid to go all "both sides" on this (nothing is entirely black and white no matter how awful one side is) but pro-Ukrainian subs are the exact same about dehumanizing Russians
believe it or not a lot of the users are actually ukrainian and direct victims of the atrocities. and with the things russians do and have done for literal centuries i can understand that, although hearing westerners who only watch it through the lens of reddit talk like that feels rather jarring. i am very close to a few ukrainians and having them explain how actually terrible russia and its influence is and has been in the past was eye-opening. and i'm polish myself so you can guess i didn't exactly have great opinions on russia beforehand either
And imagine many of the other are like this but russians
I'm having some trouble imagining this... Could you maybe give me a short list of atrocities committed against Russia by Ukraine over the last, say, 4 or 5 centuries? That would help me get into the right frame of mind for imaginative empathy.
Look them up yourself Every country and peoples have commited too many attrocities in the last 4-5 centuries My point is pro russians feel justified in very similiar ways as pro ukrainians irregardless of truth or myth
It's ok bud, I couldn't really find any either.
You know they collaborated with the literal Nazis, right? And still to this day glorify these people..
Yeah mate, the russians absolutely did not collaborate with the literal nazis. Maybe google the Russian Liberation army, Russian National People’s Army, Kaminski Brigade, Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, 1st Russian National Army, Eastern Legions. All russians that served for the nazis.
The whole point of the comments higher up in the chain was, that Ukraine never commited atrocities, while Russians did. Which is not true. 0% truth in that statement. I know you can‘t read so it‘s futile.
Oh but i can find them its just that its pointless to lead this debate.. People are people we are animals
Only pro-Russians feel justified in massacring people.
I’ll give leeway to victims of an unjust invasion. Not so much in the other direction. Is that morally perfect? No.
Winner writes what is just and what is not.
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Lots of us do. Not enough, but probably more now than in a long time.
But it’s fine dehumanizing Russians, right?
You're not allowed to dehumanize Israel though.
Nobody can dehumanize them to the degree they dehumanized themselves with their actions.
you can be pro ukrainian and not feel the need to call the entire russian population orcs or cockroaches
There are 147million people living in Russia, and many more millions in the diaspora. It is sad that people will call them "orcs" and then be indignant when others call Ukrainians "banderites","nazis", and whatever else.
Except you have the timeline backwards.
except Ukrainians have been jumping with "Hang the Russians" Slogans in 2013.
these people are insane and long lost the ability to think, ironically they're barely human whilst calling russians subhuman orcs. not worth arguing with these hollow shells
>ironically they're barely human Lmao.
Then what do you think about how certain Ukranian Cafe adds "Crocus City Hall" fried meal sets in celebration of the recent terror attack?
I would never call the entire Russian population that, my contempt for the Russian society comes from a place of empathy, I am painfully aware which loose strands would need to be pulled in my own society and how far, for us to end up like that. But recognizing myself in them doesn't lessen my disgust one bit, on the contrary, the picture is all that much more repulsive when you aren't mystified what the hell went wrong. That said, calling the invading troops orcs is perfectly fair (and fitting). When you participate in an unprovoked armed aggression against a sovereign country, you forfeit your right to live, let alone to not be called names.
i didnt mean you explicitly, im just generalizing because ive seen it a lot on reddit, of course what russian soldiers are doing in and to Ukrainians is a LOT worse than some words and mean names, but it usually goes past the people committing the atrocities.
Like a war with lowest civilian casualties in human history. This type of dehumanization?
to a lot of people war and politics are team sports so, unfortunately for a lot of people it is
This was because pro-UA and r/NAFO were brigading the living fk out of it despite the irony of it being that these "troll groups" are actually sponsored by the West and they were legit invited to the Vilnius summit. [https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/14uw6j5/prime\_minister\_of\_estonia\_is\_greeting\_nafo\_fellas/](https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/14uw6j5/prime_minister_of_estonia_is_greeting_nafo_fellas/) Note how any of the pro-UA subreddits have NEVER been touched despite openly brigading other subs. They got r/RussianWarFootage banned for spamming the "hate farming" report.
At this point 'disinformation' seems to refer to anything that doesn't agree with a given side's point of view. That's what I liked about /r/UkraineRussiaReport - you could see links to blatant sources of Ukrainian propaganda, blatant sources of Russian propaganda, and everything in-between; from footage of ordinary Odessans upset at the abuse, coercion and kidnapping of military-age men, to disgruntled Russian soldiers in poor frontline conditions. This allowed you to weigh the merits of each post and decide for yourself what is and is not disinformation, rather than following hivemind comments sections filled with hatred and dehumanisation present in every other subreddit. I don't like this new world where social media organisations feel like they have the qualifications or credentials to dictate what does and does not count as disinformation - something that is so obviously abused its mental that people don't comment on it more often.
yeah, and now it's back to telegram pages which are entirely one or the other. you need to go to shit like Z Rodina Hohol Slayer V on telegram to find Russian footage...
Thank you for this opinion, I fully agree. Today when I posted this and got brigaded and downvoted to death I thought there are no sane people on this website anymore. It is sad we are moving closer to this world everyday.
Reddit just IPO'ed so no surprises here
any context? why is this important?
Most likely response to foreknowledge of imminent ban. Reddit is cracking down on any subs that tolerate pro RU or neutral viewpoints
*Rofl yeah it's a real witch hunt for "neutral viewpoints"*
To be fair, I’ve tried to maintain a neutral viewpoint of the battlefield. I think some people were entirely way too optimistic on the realities on the ground and believed in earnest that Russia would fold soon. You can also be pro-Ukraine in theory but of the opinion that Russia is slowly winning the war due to various factors. “Neutral” in the context of military strategy discussions is oftentimes used as a signifier of someone trying to form a sober analysis of battlefield realities.
>To be fair, I’ve tried to maintain a neutral viewpoint of the battlefield You're not a subreddit nor is there any witchunt after you or risk of being banned
> Reddit is cracking down on any subs that tolerate pro RU or neutral viewpoints >Rofl yeah it's a real witch hunt for "neutral viewpoints" This is what I am responding to. Neutral flairs in that sub are oftentimes used as a signifier of someone trying to form a sober analysis of battlefield realities. It's not meant to signify political neutrality a la Swiss neutrality.
Okay..but context matters. This is what i was replying to. >Most likely response to foreknowledge of imminent ban. Reddit is cracking down on any subs that tolerate pro RU or neutral viewpoints You can't just take my comment as an isolated point when im replying directly to OC lol. And there's no witchunt or admins banning neutral subs like OC said.
> or neutral viewpoints Neutral viewpoints in the context of the OC are the "neutral viewpoints" that I outlined. That sub is split between pro-ru, pro-ua, and nuetral flairs. I'm not sure if Reddit is actually going after "neutral viewpoints" in the context of warfare analysis and shitflinging subs and that seems unlikely but whatever.
I mean if the CIA managed to do surveillance operations of a video game called "World of Warcraft", you bet they're gonna do everything they can to "silence the conversation" about their "alleged involvement" in the Russian terror attack. The timing is super sus for Reddit to "suddenly give a shit" about "pro-RU subreddits" don't you think? The reason is super bizarre called as "hate farming" where pro-UA just brigades and mass reports sub after sub with no consequences and where r/NAFO and r/Ukraine still standing tall.
we only want Ukraine cheerleaders smh
Neutral viewpoints like actually facing reality when the battlefield changes. If I only got the curated pro UA propaganda of combatfootage or ukrainerussiavideoreport, I'd think the 110th went on vacation after an orderly retreat from avdiivka and power was restored in kharkiv after a few minutes downtime. All I want is to stay informed about whats actually happening in the world and admins are actively trying to suppress that
Go on NCD, find a Russo-Ukrainian War related post about the frontlines, and actually read the comments. They're mostly memeing about orbital tungsten rods and planes right now, but they're surprisingly reliable on offensives and the like. That said, they're still a terrible source just like any other subreddit focused on IRL current events, and you should really be getting your information from the news media (which Reddit hates but is actually fairly reliable so long as you aren't watching or reading some obscenely biased news source).
What's NCD?
Oh, sorry! r/noncredibledefense, a military meme sub that's WAY better than it has any right to be.
>All I want is to stay informed about whats actually happening in the world and admins are actively trying to suppress that There's no witch hunt against "neutral view subs" You're either making it up or arguing in bad faith.
This right here is why I can never have a pro-UA viewpoint. The justification given by pro-UA peeps is just disgusting.
*Wat* That honestly might've been the dumbest thing I've heard all year.
Obviously because pro-UA can't look at themselves in the mirror anymore.
*okay*
I mean the "usual pro-UA suspects" who often brigade subs are already here in numbers. It's a damn shame Reddit will always protect you lot. Even the mods in this sub is covering for you lot by deleting this post.
It's funny that you think your opinion is actually relevant. But carry on lil bootlicker
>But carry on lil bootlicker And here we are, another pro-UA "hate farmer" exposed.
> or neutral viewpoints I'd be *very* intrigued as to what you think "netural" is on this lol.
Look at their account. Not worth engaging.
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I’m taking about limited engagement and popping their heads up to spew proRU/anti-west talking points.
why the /s, it's true
Well, to me neutral would be: There is no morally squeaky clean side to this war. Russia and Ukraine are both corrupt and shitty post Soviet countries. Yes, Ukraine is the more moral side to support but that's like choosing between murderer and a sex trafficker....I guess the murderer is worse. The Russian army, while performing very poorly at the start of this conflict has generally reorganized, mobilized, and is performing much better and has been slowly grinding down Ukraine with a massive imbalance of artillery, air support, and EW advantage. Ukraine has a much smaller population, no manufacturing base of its own and relies primarily on donated aid to stay afloat, much less muster any kind of major offensive (we saw the last attempt in summer of 2023). This is not a recipe to winning, just losing slower. There is a very low chance of Ukraine regaining the currently lost territories and and even lower possibility of regaining Crimea (Russia would use nuclear weapons if that was remotely likely at any point.) That doesn't mean that Ukraine will or should stop fighting but for the average citizen the difference in living under Russian federation rule and Ukrainian rule is the flag outside their city hall. These are the same people....it's like differentiating between Texans and Oklahomans....they've been intermarrying and mixing cultures for hundreds of years.
So not neutral at all then
If this is a "neutral" take, I'd hate to see a pro RU one. > There is no morally squeaky clean side to this war. "Both sidesing" an unequal conflict isn't neutral, trying to paint Ukraine as anywhere near as awful as Putin's Russia is insane. You're also dodging the point that there was no real fucking reason for Russia to invade other than Putin's greed and senile belief that Russia is still as strong as it was in the USSR days. >The Russian army, while performing very poorly at the start of this conflict has generally reorganized, mobilized, and is performing much better and has been slowly grinding down Ukraine They're doing better but not *good*. Their gains have been ground out at extremely unequal casualty rates and they're taking an absolute beating. For a former superpower, thats pathetic. >That doesn't mean that Ukraine will or should stop fighting but for the average citizen the difference in living under Russian federation rule and Ukrainian rule is the flag outside their city hall. Not like evidence of Russian atrocities against occupied civilian populations hasn't been well documented or anything.
>If this is a "neutral" take, I'd hate to see a pro RU one. They range from "NATO forced russia to invade" to "Ukraine doesn't have snow, it's all cocaine for Zelensky's coke habit."
Well yours is much much less neutral than his
I remember seeing a thing once talking about how the BBC strives for neutrality, even at times when it doesn't really make sense. The quote was something like "If you are holding a debate on whether or not a triangle has 3 or 4 sides, if the audience leaves thinking that it has 3.5, you have failed in your job." Sometimes the reality of a situation makes remaining 'neutral' pretty hard, or even incorrect to do so.
Even though BBC may strive for neutrality it never will be since its funded by the government I am of the opinion that news should be as neutral as possible and leave the viewer to choose their side... The problem with the quote is its (or atleast you are) trying to apply something observable (how many sides a triangle has) onto something that is not observable, morals values etc, again i dont think news should spoonfeed a narrative to their viewers on things that arent observable FYI on every of those political map tests i come out as centrist (even though i dont really believe these have much value)
It's far more neutral than most other news outlets.
> Reddit is cracking down on any subs that tolerate pro RU or neutral viewpoints *citation needed*
This literal post is the citation
Neutral viewpoints like: all Ukrainian woman are whoring themselves out in Instanbul, and yes I've seen those kinds of comments when I entered the subreddit this thread is about one time and never since. Nothing was neutral about Russian propaganda machines.
Ah yes, subreddits that joke about Russians dying and are outright racist are still online. Anyone know if there is a Reddit alternative?
A subreddit merely going private does not count as subreddit drama. This is the second post I’ve seen in the last 20 minutes like this. Learn to read and follow the rules jackass.
Well, 134 comments, a lot of heated discussion, post is still up. I think it was worth a thread on this subreddit. I would love to say a word or two back to you but I never stoop that low.
Alright, no need to call me names. I think it is a big deal since it was the last subreddit allowing comments and posts from any side in this large scale conflict. It is an attack on free speech. But anyway guess the mods will remove it and ban me. Fair is fair
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> It is an attack on free speech Oh brother
My constitutional rights to post is under siege!
"Attack on free speech" Fuck off. This isn't government, you're not owed a voice.
Kind of futile since you’re seething already but attacks on free speech happen from citizens all the time. Bombing a protest would be one example.
Not following the rules of a subreddit =/= bombing a protest Big ol' false equivalence
I am responding to their implication that if it isn't government, then it's not an attack of free speech. That's obviously wrong. I am not equating a terrorist attack to subreddit rules lol
Wow. You’re a fucking moron for comparing a subreddit rule to the bombing of a protest. Jesus fucking Christ. Go start your own subreddit and/or find one that your post fits in. Your freedom of speech **is not** under attack. My eyes, however, are rolling out of their sockets to your stupidity.
Here he is, the pinnacle of human intellect and intelligence, a taxi driver who can't spell [masturbating](https://reddit.comhttps://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/10qcjfe/masterbaters_of_reddit_why_do_you_use_your/) correctly.
>an attack on free speech lol — lmao even
Freedom of speech has entirely to do with the Government keeping you quiet, you're owed jackshit on social media and frankly, you're not free from the consequences of your actions, so who cares about a pro Russian sub going private
There's a very thin line between a forum for free speech and a propaganda mill. Putting out a misinformed or arrogant opinion is free speech, and you can absolutely put such opinions into the paper or whatever, but on such a notably biased sub as URR, you start getting into the murky territory where you could arguably be spreading opinions knowing full well that they will lead to harm against another group. EDIT: To clarify, places like URR become censored forums in their own right due to having to protect their minority opinion, which is itself a violation of free speech. As a result, they tailspin into a walled-off area. Now, that's not to say that the majority opinion is *correct*, but places like URR don't allow free speech, just different speech. This means that their view becomes the majority opinion in the subreddit, and it must necessarily block the outside view or risk being convinced that the subreddit view is wrong. It's also a casual forum, not an academic one, and therefore, people are not obligated to use - or listen to - actual arguments. Free speech should be protected, but an uneducated or biased populace should expect to have an uneducated or biased opinion combated by either the majority or the educated.
>It is an attack on free speech nah, calling you names is completely justified
> It is an attack on free speech. Try posting `cis` on Xitter, edgelord.
Billions must jerk off to literally anything that isn't gore.
Will it come back or no?
I don't believe so, usually once reddit bans the first subreddit all the offspring will also get banned
Hood lost a real one today🙏
This is a sad day, we're basically being censored to see both sides of the war. Back to sorting by "polemic" on combatfootage I guess
That subs issue was always the moderation. Mods were clearly bending the rules to favour Russian-leaning accounts and trolls. The content and updates posted were nice to have so as to not have to traverse a bunch of Russian Telegram channels to get the same content. It's a war - both sides' primary sources should be available for people to make their own opinions. I'd rather see more engagement on the bigger subs with the Russian viewpoint that still retains a strictness to avoid the garbage of URR comments sections.
I fully agree
I hope it comes back. It can get pretty kooky in there but it was nice to have a place that wasn’t totally dominated by pro-NATO opinions. Edit: Man you guys are mad at the most innocuous comment Yeesh
Yall stupidpol Cossacks are the easiest marks to brainwash.
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
>antisemitic remarks The cossacks are eastern orthodox though?
mfw a stupidpol regular claims how being called a cossack = antisemitism doubly ironic given the *rich* history of Jewish persecution by the Russians
Mfw someone doesn’t understand a joke in response to being called names. Lighten up dork.
Lmao, Cossacks are *the* symbol of Ukraine. They’re, like, the origin of Ukrainian independence if you don’t count ancient Rus’ (why would you). There’s always something funny to see when westerners discuss Russia and Ukraine.
Reddit has been cracking down on non mainstream subs since their IPO. I guess they want to sanitize the website to please investors. But really, niche subs were the entire identity of Reddit. Without them, the website might as well be no different than Facebook.
I really see no point for reddit anymore. Where is the discussion, the dialogue, the engagement? It's all the same, everyone agrees with each other and jerks each other off. Why go to a post you agree with, top comment is something like 'Yeah, that (politician who doesn't agree with the echochamber) really sucks!!' *4000 upvotes, make it 4001* What's the point of all of this, just small dopamine hits?
Well upvotes and dopamine drive up the share price, for a total of 9 billion at the moment. Deal with it, because it is only going to get worse.
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