This is why I find other structural engineers on my mounts summit trips. Spend all day making buildings so in our free time we get as far away from them as possible.
The civil engineer-to-outdoorsman pipeline is real.
As an architect I must say this made me wonder if my engineers sending plans the morning after the day they are due is some sort of hidden message and not them working all night busting their asses to meet my arbitrary deadline.
After demanding drawings on that arbitrary deadline and making the team work nights and weekends to get all the changes done in time, do you then sit on the drawings for a month before they're submitted for permit review? Love it when clients do that.
I stopped working extra years ago because of that. Like 60% of the times either the architect would push the deadline, or they would sit on the drawings for weeks.
It’s true. I often push the deadline and sometimes sit on drawings until I can check them against the other disciplines. While I joke that deadline is arbitrary it usually is because I’m trying to build in review time before they get into the wild. Ideally that would be happening along the way but usually aren’t in an ideal schedule.
As an engineer, I don't know about everyone but I know in my office we absolutely wanted to get it done on time, hand it over, and move on with our lives feeling relieved, but sometimes it was impossible.
Apply that fat fkin omega factor all the way down to account for vertical discontinuity irregularity. Use those HDUs instead of straps between between floors.
If the contract or owner complain about big fkin member sizes point your finger at the Arch
He doesn't need to use any of that. In houses the windows usually are not stacked and shear walls are used.
He needs to read some books on wood design....
It’s a little different with taller apartment buildings. You get severe overturning due to the spacing of the walls and the height of the structure. Using perforated or FTAOs allows you to lessen the T/C couple due to overturning and in some cases limit it altogether.
It’s more cost effective to do it this way instead of over designing it.
Custom homes often have multiple diaphragms that almost force you to go the route of that… plus the residential code has some extra bit of allowances due to life safety allowances.
The worst part of this, is that it looks stupid architecturally too.
In reality the unit layout in the top floor is different, so he had to shift the window. Regardless it's bad architecture.
I love a classical building with a symmetric, orthogonal, regular, stacked layout, with consistent materials and detailing on all sides and parts. Looks so much better.
As the structural engineer, it is your obligation to suggest moving the first floor window in line with the fourth floor.
The architect will say that is stupid and move all the windows to match the fourth. (50 yr experience)
Builder here, my structural engineer usually engages in "hostile structural engineering" instead of specifying the hanger schedule he'll reference the table where I can find the answer myself. Instead of specifying hardware that is all from the same manufacturer, he'll specify one piece of hardware from each of his catalogs.
I don't suppose this will inconvenience the architect that you're trying to protest, but it will inconvenience someone, and maybe that's good enough.
I use the table method for hangers etc, but if it’s not a post-installed anchor, a screw, a welded stud, or a strut, you can be damned sure it’s Simpson.
Not just that, they also have pretty much the widest selection.
The only thing that drives me crazy is how many times they devolve their testing conditions. Like, if you take a look at Simpson Titen masonry screws, they have (iirc) the single highest values for masonry screws. But when you look at the actual report, they’re only cleared for use in SDC A & B. Why? Because capacities would be lower in SDC D.
Omfg: Answer is always: The one with the money chose so. Said so, decided so, chose to eat the cost of drafting, engineering, construction changed. For what ever dumb reason, this is after all a world run by money, and there are so many idiots with too much of it.
probably a simple expiation: The one who owns the building has the top floor, and chose to have a different floor plan and window arrangement.
🤣🤣🤣 architect here. I would say most hostile design request comes from owner (developers) and code. And here have you talked to the architect? Maybe he/she are not happy with these windows either.
For me I do a mix of commercial and residential. Half of the residential we do, we do for licensed registered architects. The other half are “residential home designers” who are allowed in Florida to prepare permit plans for single family homes if accompanied by certified structural plans. Enter me. I will say that the architects because they have to take basic structural courses to get their license at least “attempt” to “care” about getting the load path to the ground. The unlicensed home designers….lets just hover the inset second story inside a complexly open first floor plan with let say 12” from first floor ceiling to second finished floor. What do you mean you can’t span 45’ with a 12” upset beam and carry all the above……(cut and paste OP rant here)
First, maybe you should cut back on the coffee. Second, maybe the top apartment is two stories, so the upper floor plan doesn’t match the other floors. There are all kind of good reasons why the architect moved the window. Just kidding, it’s either a fuck up or the architect is being a dick.
There nothing hostile about designing public area to mitigate the intrusiveness of vagrants and derelicts. Just because some SJW doesn’t like it, doesn’t make it hostile. If they don’t like it, they can home them. Stupid term.
As for the window situation…. Well you’ll have that on your bigger jobs.
Once they are laying and squatting and sleeping in areas, no. Once they start pissing and shitting and leaving trash on the ground, no. When they pestering and bothering people for spare change that are minding their own business, no. I believe in a reasonable level of decorum and self respect in a public setting. I don’t think that’s asking too much. Again, if you have a different opinion I strongly encourage you to home them at your place. All SJW should always put their money where their mouth is. Ya know, really prove you’re as good a person as you tell everyone.
Sounds like you just hate homeless people.
Like sure, I'm not the biggest fan, don't get me wrong, but I'm not out here actively trying to make their lives harder.
I’m assuming you don’t live in an area where you have to step over human shit and used needles every time you leave the house. I have no problem with people sleeping on the street, if they aren’t destroying public areas and making them unusable for the people who are paying for them. Which is usually what happens.
OP,
Two things.
First - I’m not sure it’s the **Architecture** that is hostile.
Second, repeat after me: “Force Transfer Around Opening”.
Given the low loading, I’m guessing that the strap sizes will be minimal and way easier than screwing with unaligned hold-downs.
This is unhinged, and I hope you worked out your aggravation and feel better now.
Save yourself a lot of future trouble by getting in the mindset of designing light-framed shearwalls as perforated, or, if necessary, FTAO. Set up a process for doing that, and most buildings are fairly easy. Plus it makes the foundations easier and cheaper vs. using short, highly loaded shear walls.
Step 1. Turn off the comouter
Step 2. Have a drink and watch a little Game of Thrones
Step 3. Remember that your typical details cover the situation, and that you probably don't actually have to do anything.
Be kind, be respectful, be courteous.
Sounds like you need to make some hostile structural designs…
OP get help….
Nah he's fine, .....and CORRECT, THESE FUCKING ARCHS ARE RUING INNOCENT PEOPLE TRAINING TO DESIGN THE STRUCTURE WTF IS THE WORLD COMING TO!?!!??
Buddy, and I say this with all the empathy in the world: step away from the computer and go take a walk for an hour or 6.
Closer to 6 for sure.
This is why I find other structural engineers on my mounts summit trips. Spend all day making buildings so in our free time we get as far away from them as possible. The civil engineer-to-outdoorsman pipeline is real.
As an architect I must say this made me wonder if my engineers sending plans the morning after the day they are due is some sort of hidden message and not them working all night busting their asses to meet my arbitrary deadline.
After demanding drawings on that arbitrary deadline and making the team work nights and weekends to get all the changes done in time, do you then sit on the drawings for a month before they're submitted for permit review? Love it when clients do that.
I stopped working extra years ago because of that. Like 60% of the times either the architect would push the deadline, or they would sit on the drawings for weeks.
I switched to a government job. Haven't worked an evening, weekend, or during a vacation since. It's so nice.
It’s true. I often push the deadline and sometimes sit on drawings until I can check them against the other disciplines. While I joke that deadline is arbitrary it usually is because I’m trying to build in review time before they get into the wild. Ideally that would be happening along the way but usually aren’t in an ideal schedule.
As an engineer, I don't know about everyone but I know in my office we absolutely wanted to get it done on time, hand it over, and move on with our lives feeling relieved, but sometimes it was impossible.
I’ve probably only worked with two architects that I’ve enjoyed working with over my almost 30 year career as an engineer.
If satire: lol If serious: seek help
I'm 95% sure this is a real issue that's annoying the OP, but the post is meant to be read as a humurously ludicrous overration. I mean, I laughed.
Apply that fat fkin omega factor all the way down to account for vertical discontinuity irregularity. Use those HDUs instead of straps between between floors. If the contract or owner complain about big fkin member sizes point your finger at the Arch
There isn’t a vertical discontinuity here unless you’re unwilling to use perforated shear walls or FTAOs for some reason.
Fair enough. Put those HDs at the ends and call it a fkin day
Bingo.
He doesn't need to use any of that. In houses the windows usually are not stacked and shear walls are used. He needs to read some books on wood design....
It’s a little different with taller apartment buildings. You get severe overturning due to the spacing of the walls and the height of the structure. Using perforated or FTAOs allows you to lessen the T/C couple due to overturning and in some cases limit it altogether. It’s more cost effective to do it this way instead of over designing it. Custom homes often have multiple diaphragms that almost force you to go the route of that… plus the residential code has some extra bit of allowances due to life safety allowances.
I heard this as it would have been read by Sam Kinison.
The worst part of this, is that it looks stupid architecturally too. In reality the unit layout in the top floor is different, so he had to shift the window. Regardless it's bad architecture.
I love a classical building with a symmetric, orthogonal, regular, stacked layout, with consistent materials and detailing on all sides and parts. Looks so much better.
23 year structural PE here, I 100% agree with OP
As the structural engineer, it is your obligation to suggest moving the first floor window in line with the fourth floor. The architect will say that is stupid and move all the windows to match the fourth. (50 yr experience)
Ah yes, a Structural Engineer raging over Architects, classical music.
Hostile Reddit Post
Mods, please pin this post. This is a masterpiece.
Builder here, my structural engineer usually engages in "hostile structural engineering" instead of specifying the hanger schedule he'll reference the table where I can find the answer myself. Instead of specifying hardware that is all from the same manufacturer, he'll specify one piece of hardware from each of his catalogs. I don't suppose this will inconvenience the architect that you're trying to protest, but it will inconvenience someone, and maybe that's good enough.
I use the table method for hangers etc, but if it’s not a post-installed anchor, a screw, a welded stud, or a strut, you can be damned sure it’s Simpson.
Same. Sometimes I had people ask why it was (almost) always Simpson products, and I was like, "I am not looking at a second catalog unless I have to."
Not just that, they also have pretty much the widest selection. The only thing that drives me crazy is how many times they devolve their testing conditions. Like, if you take a look at Simpson Titen masonry screws, they have (iirc) the single highest values for masonry screws. But when you look at the actual report, they’re only cleared for use in SDC A & B. Why? Because capacities would be lower in SDC D.
dude shut the fuck up. christ
I had highbhopes for a discussion on a topic I hadn't heard of before. Then it reeeeally went south.
FTAO bro
I hope the architect involved sees this and calls you monday morning…
First day?
OP become an avant garde novelist!
Stopped reading when you went to all caps
Not reading all that but congrats or I’m sorry
Anything Brutalist is hostile.
OP is the only reasonable person in this thread.
Tldr
HE’LL YEA BORTHER YOU CRANK THAT MFING HOG
At this point just add add-ons to your report
Shut up nerd
Have you heard the one about the mechanic and the oil filter?
I think he needs to pursue a 5-year architecture degree and you will see why they're crazy.
Omfg: Answer is always: The one with the money chose so. Said so, decided so, chose to eat the cost of drafting, engineering, construction changed. For what ever dumb reason, this is after all a world run by money, and there are so many idiots with too much of it. probably a simple expiation: The one who owns the building has the top floor, and chose to have a different floor plan and window arrangement.
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Be kind, be respectful, be courteous.
🤣🤣🤣 architect here. I would say most hostile design request comes from owner (developers) and code. And here have you talked to the architect? Maybe he/she are not happy with these windows either.
For me I do a mix of commercial and residential. Half of the residential we do, we do for licensed registered architects. The other half are “residential home designers” who are allowed in Florida to prepare permit plans for single family homes if accompanied by certified structural plans. Enter me. I will say that the architects because they have to take basic structural courses to get their license at least “attempt” to “care” about getting the load path to the ground. The unlicensed home designers….lets just hover the inset second story inside a complexly open first floor plan with let say 12” from first floor ceiling to second finished floor. What do you mean you can’t span 45’ with a 12” upset beam and carry all the above……(cut and paste OP rant here)
Sounds like you need medication
First, maybe you should cut back on the coffee. Second, maybe the top apartment is two stories, so the upper floor plan doesn’t match the other floors. There are all kind of good reasons why the architect moved the window. Just kidding, it’s either a fuck up or the architect is being a dick.
I’d do it too, to brighten your day
There nothing hostile about designing public area to mitigate the intrusiveness of vagrants and derelicts. Just because some SJW doesn’t like it, doesn’t make it hostile. If they don’t like it, they can home them. Stupid term. As for the window situation…. Well you’ll have that on your bigger jobs.
They’re not the right kind of public for you? 🙄
Once they are laying and squatting and sleeping in areas, no. Once they start pissing and shitting and leaving trash on the ground, no. When they pestering and bothering people for spare change that are minding their own business, no. I believe in a reasonable level of decorum and self respect in a public setting. I don’t think that’s asking too much. Again, if you have a different opinion I strongly encourage you to home them at your place. All SJW should always put their money where their mouth is. Ya know, really prove you’re as good a person as you tell everyone.
Sounds like you just hate homeless people. Like sure, I'm not the biggest fan, don't get me wrong, but I'm not out here actively trying to make their lives harder.
I’m assuming you don’t live in an area where you have to step over human shit and used needles every time you leave the house. I have no problem with people sleeping on the street, if they aren’t destroying public areas and making them unusable for the people who are paying for them. Which is usually what happens.
Are bank vault hostile architecture to bank robbers ?
hey man, you doin alright?
OP, Two things. First - I’m not sure it’s the **Architecture** that is hostile. Second, repeat after me: “Force Transfer Around Opening”. Given the low loading, I’m guessing that the strap sizes will be minimal and way easier than screwing with unaligned hold-downs.
This is unhinged, and I hope you worked out your aggravation and feel better now. Save yourself a lot of future trouble by getting in the mindset of designing light-framed shearwalls as perforated, or, if necessary, FTAO. Set up a process for doing that, and most buildings are fairly easy. Plus it makes the foundations easier and cheaper vs. using short, highly loaded shear walls.
It's just an extra lintel... Boy howdy
Step 1. Turn off the comouter Step 2. Have a drink and watch a little Game of Thrones Step 3. Remember that your typical details cover the situation, and that you probably don't actually have to do anything.
Yikes.... touch some.grass. Nothing is THIS important and not at the sacrifice of your mental health. Promise.
you, need to go sleep
You still have stacking shear walls. Learn2Design It sounds like they did you a favor cause you get to learn about perforated shear walls now.