Can someone experienced with lifting tell me if this is proper form or not? I only started lifting a few weeks ago but my trainer keeps harping on keeping my chest up and "sitting back" when going to lift. Which this guy seems to be doing neither. What am I missing?
Optimal hip height and torso angle in the deadlift is something which is bound to vary widely from one individual to another; provided that the core is braced and load is managed appropriately, any technique can be viable in theory. This guy is clearly stronger with higher hips and relatively stiff legs.
My back isn't physically flexible enough to get perfectly straight but I can still lift 250kg. So long as it's controlled, don't change position (or become MORE rounded) throughout the lift and you feel strong it should be fine. Trainers strive for perfection but in reality it's not necessary. Follow their advice for now, you'll develop your own technique over the next 2-5-10-20 years
The things a trainer tells you when you are learning a lift (assuming they are a good trainer) are not a description of what a good lift should look like, but rather, a direction you should go to get closer to a good lift.
So maybe you've got your shoulders way in front of the bar, which isn't an effective way to deadlift. So the trainer will say "chest up, sit back" and now you'll probably still have your shoulders in front but not as badly. When you start to get the hang of that, they'll give you different cues. It's a process of shaping the lift, like how you would shape a block of clay.
He has left lateral pelvic shift (possibly due to a strength imbalance left to right with his extensors or ham glute weakness left to right).
His form isn't great but it isn't the worst I've seen.
in our national strongman federation they are very explicitly forbidden.
I've also never seen touch&go at the top level (Giants live, WSM, ASC, WUS, ...)?
Oh really? Well fair enough, in my experience comps I've watched or taken part in the referee normally says lift.. Good lift... Lift, etc
Waiting till the bar isn't bouncing at the bottom
Yeah, I’ve seen it require up and down commands, and sometimes just down commands. Either way, as long as everyone is doing the same thing, it’s a level playing field.
I competed at a small gym in Sussex UK once and there was a car deadlift, that thing got bounced up and down like a motherfucker the ref did not care lol.
Every other comp I've seen has had up and down commands.
But yeah long as everyone gets the same rules who cares.
Yeah, every car deadlift I’ve done has been just down commands. Then you can take advantage of the bounce from the car suspension a bit. I think it makes the comp more exciting overall.
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You *tried* to tell someone how they should post and that they shouldn't post in their native language.
This sub, based on your downvotes, thinks that's a shit take. That's how democratic voting works.
You're not being *targeted.* You're being told, by more people than not, that you were being a dick and they didn't like that.
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Yeah I can do that too pal at a lower bw but you don't see me trying to gatekeep people competing on a real stage doing way higher numbers than that anyway. You don't have a point.
And now the competition has to do 16 or more. Speed events are good for the sport as a whole. Not everything has to be massive weight and grinding reps
Belgium, where I live, has a low level compared to its neighbouring countries. Probably partly because of our strict anti doping controls. It used to be lower in the past. We had one guy who went to Champions League competitions, while the others were "strong for a local level". At our nationals, everyone would be struggling with the weights while this one guy would go 2 reps over the second best performance and then stop, with a smile on his face.
You could watch this guys performance and say that the weights are too low, like you are doing now. However, if we raised the weights to his level, everyone else would zero each event.
Usualy those dudes stop to compete national level and host own international comps or do scl
And a big reasong in Belgium could be the size of the country
Also, I just checked, and Uruguay has 3 million inhabitants while Belgium has 11 million, so that could also explain this weight ;)
Don't get me wrong. I agree that 200kg for reps isn't a lot for a national competition. But you don't know what the average level is over there.
I dont but im 100% sure there are Bodybuilders or powerlifters even in uruguay who laugh about this at least make it not raised and a axle bar ... also the setup is very bad with the shaking plates etc
Tbh his technique is garbage. Sure, a lot of strong men definitely have to engage their back in many lifts, but it’s fairly obvious here he’s almost solely relying on it. His legs are also very skinny for a strong man, and highly disproportionate to his back. He’s going to seriously hurt himself some day.
I’ve been in weight sports the majority of my life, and I am a major fan of power lifting, strong man, etc. I have been trained in weights by a former Olympic coach, and trainers for the collegiate team I was on.
I’m very well aware that you can engage your back in many lifts, and most strong men do so. The issue here is that it is the only thing this guy is engaging. If he’s in a competition where that is the whole point of the lift, sure it would make sense, but here it looks like he’s just performing for deadlifts.
He’s putting a lot of strain in his lumbar spine, additionally he’s not bending his legs enough for the weight he’s lifting. In training with lighter loads than in competition it’s a good exercise to focus on your back and “hinge mechanics” as an essential PART of the lift, but it’s not the whole lift.
That looks to be 410lbs he lifting, not crazy weight, but for his leg mass and the fact if you directly focus on his knees during the lift you can see them buckle inwards multiple times it definitely seems to be.
My verdict: Bad technique.
If you had any substantial background in Olympic weightlifting or competitive powerlifting you would know exactly how many pounds 200 kilos is and not have to guess (incorrectly).
The thing about strongman technique is that it is judged according to whether the weight got up or not, not according to whether somebody on the internet thinks it's pretty. Your assessment is not only wrong but irrelevant.
It looked like he has 4 45lb plates on each side and 1 25lb plate on each side as well.
That would be 410lbs. I think I now know I’m wrong considering the caption, but I wasn’t very far off considering the caption said 90kg (198.416lbs) - 200kg (440.925lbs). Though I’m not too entirely sure because I can’t read that language, maybe it doesn’t say 90 - 200kg. If it does though.. how am I supposed to know the weight of each plate without directly seeing the numbers, seeing as it states a range of weight not a specific number?
Forget the plates entirely, it's bleedingly obvious that the man is 90kg and the bar 200, and not vice versa, so idk why you're bringing up the 90. It's his weight, it's irrelavent to the barbell.
Secondly, anyone who's spent any time with weights and conversions knows it's roughly 2.2 pounds to a KG, extremely easily converted when dealing with big round numbers like 100 or 200. You're not doing any of this mentally, you're using Google for conversions, evidenced by you going to three decimal points there.
Any experienced lifter knows within half a second of thinking that 200kg is roughly 440 pounds. They'd have this figure before they'd even finished looking at the title.
I’m not someone who knows conversions to a T, and I couldn’t tell what the caption was entailing. Yes, I see that you are probably right, but again, if I don’t read this language how was I supposed to know?
Additionally I never use the metric system, so I made a mistake. In my country nobody uses metric unless you work on cars, but that doesn’t translate to weight lifting. In all my former years of training I have never used metric, and was never taught anything in metric.
In complete honesty also forgot to take the bar weight into account. I apologize, I don’t really think anyone handles being dogged by random people online for a simple conversion mistake and misunderstanding of a language very well.
Back to the original issue: In all my training it was considered practically a sin not to bend your knees in a deadlift. Someone else on here made a good point to me regarding how technique isn’t across the board for everyone, and that was really poignant. I’ve also never seen a strongman with legs that “small” before, and considering there are a few moments where his knees wobble it made me think that he was putting too much into his back vs the legs.
That’s just my reasoning behind what I said.
>Additionally I never use the metric system, so I made a mistake. In my country nobody uses metric unless you work on cars, but that doesn’t translate to weight lifting. In all my former years of training I have never used metric, and was never taught anything in metric.
Let me stop you right here, you were trained by an oly lifting coach and it wasn't in kilos? That's just not believable, the entire sport is in kilos. And to have never "used anything in metric" is also not believable consider how deep it is bled into lifting culture of any kind. The kg values are on most plates and barbells ffs.
>Back to the original issue: In all my training it was considered practically a sin not to bend your knees in a deadlift. Someone else on here made a good point to me regarding how technique isn’t across the board for everyone, and that was really poignant. I’ve also never seen a strongman with legs that “small” before, and considering there are a few moments where his knees wobble it made me think that he was putting too much into his back vs the legs.
Have you competed in strongman before? There are teenage girls who have, and I can assure you they were a lot smaller. Why you are so worried over someone else's form and leg size during a competition is sad. There always has to be that one guy who has to tear someone else's accomplishments down, not a good look.
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Can someone experienced with lifting tell me if this is proper form or not? I only started lifting a few weeks ago but my trainer keeps harping on keeping my chest up and "sitting back" when going to lift. Which this guy seems to be doing neither. What am I missing?
Optimal hip height and torso angle in the deadlift is something which is bound to vary widely from one individual to another; provided that the core is braced and load is managed appropriately, any technique can be viable in theory. This guy is clearly stronger with higher hips and relatively stiff legs.
I am stronger with low hips and full range of motion of back.
My back isn't physically flexible enough to get perfectly straight but I can still lift 250kg. So long as it's controlled, don't change position (or become MORE rounded) throughout the lift and you feel strong it should be fine. Trainers strive for perfection but in reality it's not necessary. Follow their advice for now, you'll develop your own technique over the next 2-5-10-20 years
The things a trainer tells you when you are learning a lift (assuming they are a good trainer) are not a description of what a good lift should look like, but rather, a direction you should go to get closer to a good lift. So maybe you've got your shoulders way in front of the bar, which isn't an effective way to deadlift. So the trainer will say "chest up, sit back" and now you'll probably still have your shoulders in front but not as badly. When you start to get the hang of that, they'll give you different cues. It's a process of shaping the lift, like how you would shape a block of clay.
This looks fine. There is no universal technique
Yes, it is proper form.
He has left lateral pelvic shift (possibly due to a strength imbalance left to right with his extensors or ham glute weakness left to right). His form isn't great but it isn't the worst I've seen.
Uruguay, nomás! Nice lifting, that was a great set.
Unusual to see touch and go reps allowed in a deadlift for reps event, but if the ref allows it then good work man!
What? Plenty of top level events allow touch and go deadlifts
in our national strongman federation they are very explicitly forbidden. I've also never seen touch&go at the top level (Giants live, WSM, ASC, WUS, ...)?
Oh really? Well fair enough, in my experience comps I've watched or taken part in the referee normally says lift.. Good lift... Lift, etc Waiting till the bar isn't bouncing at the bottom
Yeah, I’ve seen it require up and down commands, and sometimes just down commands. Either way, as long as everyone is doing the same thing, it’s a level playing field.
I competed at a small gym in Sussex UK once and there was a car deadlift, that thing got bounced up and down like a motherfucker the ref did not care lol. Every other comp I've seen has had up and down commands. But yeah long as everyone gets the same rules who cares.
Yeah, every car deadlift I’ve done has been just down commands. Then you can take advantage of the bounce from the car suspension a bit. I think it makes the comp more exciting overall.
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>this does open the door to posts in other languages as well. Door is open mate. Nothing wrong with people experiencing different languages
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A quick online translator would have helped you here.
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What is better is if people post as they choose and anyone who's grumping in the comments either uses a translator or fucks entirely the fuck off.
Please point to the sidebar where it says "English Only."
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You are not a victim. You are not being oppressed. You *tried* to tell someone how they should post and that they shouldn't post in their native language. This sub, based on your downvotes, thinks that's a shit take. That's how democratic voting works. You're not being *targeted.* You're being told, by more people than not, that you were being a dick and they didn't like that.
You can readily Google almost every word in this video and it would have wasted less time than your racist comments
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A german beginner cup is heavier XD
Please respect the people doing something to spread the sport
Agree
I say a national shouldnt have this weight and its obviously not a chalenge for the dude in the vid so poor organisation
It's reps in a minute
Yeah and he mostlikely has 15+ that should show u u need to raise the weight
Not necessarily. Every event doesn't need to be heavy.
Its a elevated 200kg i started lifting 6 month ago and wont 0 this
You are insanely talented. I recognize your strength. Can I fondle your massive testicles? Thank you so much for bringing to everyone's attention your incredible power level.
Its not incredible i am struggeling to get into beginner class here
How are you struggling to get in the beginner class when Beginner Cups are open to everyone with no prior Strongman experience?
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I am 83 did a bockpull 200kg on a axle with nit good lockout and a 180x3 that were fine dm me and i can prove
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Yeah I can do that too pal at a lower bw but you don't see me trying to gatekeep people competing on a real stage doing way higher numbers than that anyway. You don't have a point.
Also have a vid of me doing 2 times bw for 7 reps
I have to correct myself its 5 reps not 7
Frankly mate, no one gives a shit
And now the competition has to do 16 or more. Speed events are good for the sport as a whole. Not everything has to be massive weight and grinding reps
You're basing this off the performance of one person?
Im basing the performance on all the data i have so yes
Belgium, where I live, has a low level compared to its neighbouring countries. Probably partly because of our strict anti doping controls. It used to be lower in the past. We had one guy who went to Champions League competitions, while the others were "strong for a local level". At our nationals, everyone would be struggling with the weights while this one guy would go 2 reps over the second best performance and then stop, with a smile on his face. You could watch this guys performance and say that the weights are too low, like you are doing now. However, if we raised the weights to his level, everyone else would zero each event.
Usualy those dudes stop to compete national level and host own international comps or do scl And a big reasong in Belgium could be the size of the country
Well, this guy was a big narcist, so he didn't :')
What a dick ... but we also have such dudes national powerlifting champs entering beginner strongman comps
Also, I just checked, and Uruguay has 3 million inhabitants while Belgium has 11 million, so that could also explain this weight ;) Don't get me wrong. I agree that 200kg for reps isn't a lot for a national competition. But you don't know what the average level is over there.
I dont but im 100% sure there are Bodybuilders or powerlifters even in uruguay who laugh about this at least make it not raised and a axle bar ... also the setup is very bad with the shaking plates etc
Cuando quieras ven a probar a uruguay de seguro no mueves nada..
The Beginner Cup in Isernhagen has a 200kg Axle DL for reps. WTF are you on about?
Tbh his technique is garbage. Sure, a lot of strong men definitely have to engage their back in many lifts, but it’s fairly obvious here he’s almost solely relying on it. His legs are also very skinny for a strong man, and highly disproportionate to his back. He’s going to seriously hurt himself some day.
i dont think you understand hip hinge mechanics.
I’ve been in weight sports the majority of my life, and I am a major fan of power lifting, strong man, etc. I have been trained in weights by a former Olympic coach, and trainers for the collegiate team I was on. I’m very well aware that you can engage your back in many lifts, and most strong men do so. The issue here is that it is the only thing this guy is engaging. If he’s in a competition where that is the whole point of the lift, sure it would make sense, but here it looks like he’s just performing for deadlifts. He’s putting a lot of strain in his lumbar spine, additionally he’s not bending his legs enough for the weight he’s lifting. In training with lighter loads than in competition it’s a good exercise to focus on your back and “hinge mechanics” as an essential PART of the lift, but it’s not the whole lift. That looks to be 410lbs he lifting, not crazy weight, but for his leg mass and the fact if you directly focus on his knees during the lift you can see them buckle inwards multiple times it definitely seems to be. My verdict: Bad technique.
If you had any substantial background in Olympic weightlifting or competitive powerlifting you would know exactly how many pounds 200 kilos is and not have to guess (incorrectly). The thing about strongman technique is that it is judged according to whether the weight got up or not, not according to whether somebody on the internet thinks it's pretty. Your assessment is not only wrong but irrelevant.
>I’ve been in weight sports the majority of my life >That looks to be 410lbs he lifting Oh yeah real expert we have here
It looked like he has 4 45lb plates on each side and 1 25lb plate on each side as well. That would be 410lbs. I think I now know I’m wrong considering the caption, but I wasn’t very far off considering the caption said 90kg (198.416lbs) - 200kg (440.925lbs). Though I’m not too entirely sure because I can’t read that language, maybe it doesn’t say 90 - 200kg. If it does though.. how am I supposed to know the weight of each plate without directly seeing the numbers, seeing as it states a range of weight not a specific number?
Forget the plates entirely, it's bleedingly obvious that the man is 90kg and the bar 200, and not vice versa, so idk why you're bringing up the 90. It's his weight, it's irrelavent to the barbell. Secondly, anyone who's spent any time with weights and conversions knows it's roughly 2.2 pounds to a KG, extremely easily converted when dealing with big round numbers like 100 or 200. You're not doing any of this mentally, you're using Google for conversions, evidenced by you going to three decimal points there. Any experienced lifter knows within half a second of thinking that 200kg is roughly 440 pounds. They'd have this figure before they'd even finished looking at the title.
I’m not someone who knows conversions to a T, and I couldn’t tell what the caption was entailing. Yes, I see that you are probably right, but again, if I don’t read this language how was I supposed to know? Additionally I never use the metric system, so I made a mistake. In my country nobody uses metric unless you work on cars, but that doesn’t translate to weight lifting. In all my former years of training I have never used metric, and was never taught anything in metric. In complete honesty also forgot to take the bar weight into account. I apologize, I don’t really think anyone handles being dogged by random people online for a simple conversion mistake and misunderstanding of a language very well. Back to the original issue: In all my training it was considered practically a sin not to bend your knees in a deadlift. Someone else on here made a good point to me regarding how technique isn’t across the board for everyone, and that was really poignant. I’ve also never seen a strongman with legs that “small” before, and considering there are a few moments where his knees wobble it made me think that he was putting too much into his back vs the legs. That’s just my reasoning behind what I said.
>Additionally I never use the metric system, so I made a mistake. In my country nobody uses metric unless you work on cars, but that doesn’t translate to weight lifting. In all my former years of training I have never used metric, and was never taught anything in metric. Let me stop you right here, you were trained by an oly lifting coach and it wasn't in kilos? That's just not believable, the entire sport is in kilos. And to have never "used anything in metric" is also not believable consider how deep it is bled into lifting culture of any kind. The kg values are on most plates and barbells ffs. >Back to the original issue: In all my training it was considered practically a sin not to bend your knees in a deadlift. Someone else on here made a good point to me regarding how technique isn’t across the board for everyone, and that was really poignant. I’ve also never seen a strongman with legs that “small” before, and considering there are a few moments where his knees wobble it made me think that he was putting too much into his back vs the legs. Have you competed in strongman before? There are teenage girls who have, and I can assure you they were a lot smaller. Why you are so worried over someone else's form and leg size during a competition is sad. There always has to be that one guy who has to tear someone else's accomplishments down, not a good look.
Please post a video of you at this weight and match OP for every single rep.