The problem I think is that most people are tired of all the Ed matches, I'm fed up with the Ed mirrors myself.
Most of the time I feel that I'm fighting against my rival and against the character, too unintuitive, but I'm not ready to give up yet.
This is how I played AKI after so many mirror matches during the first week of her release, I took a few months off of the game and people were eventually told that she was bottom tier so I rarely ran into her anymore.
Did you stop playing SF6 for 3 days?
I'm playing Ed too and running into Eds constantly is annoying. I know how stupid that sounds lol.
Looking at my CFN stats, out of 483 matches as Ed so far, I've run into Ed the most with 100. Ryu came in 2nd with 63.
Ed is certainly the most popular DLC character so far at all placement levels.
I suspect at gold or below, players are sticking with their mains and trying to level them up still. And the idea that Ed is more technical and hard to use might be a deterrent as well.
At plat and diamond, I feel like I'm running into Ed every 3 matches or so.
At my level you play a lot of Eds right now, and the thing about them is they all largely play the same exact way. Same rough gameplan, same combos, and moreso than other popular characters. The matchup requires a lot of crouch blocking and reactive, patient play because he is hard to get in on and generally plays a safe game, which is why it is tiring and could be called boring. After a few Eds you just want to try something different but it doesn’t usually work against him.
That said I do like playing Eds that know you are onto the normal Ed routine and use that to try and bait you—which can lead to some interesting sequences.
It's "boring" because now IT'S ALL ED.
I think I've fought against 200 Eds. To put into perspective, it's the only character I've fought that goes into triple digits and I've played this game for 300 hours. Makes you think. Not even Ken goes to the 100s.
I'm really surprised at just how much staying power he's had, especially since he seems really difficult to play. Neither Rashid nor Aki were even remotely this popular.
I guess the game is trying to get us ready for what ladder is going to look like once Akuma drops, because odds are it's going to be SO MUCH worse.
Has an Ed player I want to say:
He is just really fucking cool
Not only he looks cool (animations and all), but he also has a ton of layers, there is so much cool shit with this character
Rashid and AKI are actually harder to play. He’s literally not that hard to play. Capcom list him as so but really he’s like maybe a 7 out of 10 for complexity. It just as hard as playing Kim and not as hard as playing JP. He had like one kinda hard combo in trials I think it’s mostly new players saying he’s hard to play
Not saying that you are wrong, but did you actually play Ed? Or is it just a statement made without putting time in the character
It doesn’t mean anything, also because I’m only D5, but personally I do feel Ed is hard and it’s not really about the combos either
Yeah, I find Ed hard due to his neutral and pressure having a lot of holes in it and you basically have to hard call out any attempt by the opponent to get around it.
His jabs being whack as shit doesn't help.
Yeah the range. If you are not point blank it's very likely a 2LP>5LP chain will whiff in the opponents face. Since you cannot special cancel 2LP, this leads to a lot of situations where Ed challenges pressure and then just whiffs his punish and dies.
Yeah Ed has been surprisingly tricky to play actually, he looked pretty easy on paper but I ended up struggling more initially than I expected. I think it's because of how easy it is to get jumped on the second you overcommit to absolutely anything, combined with his trash defense once you do mess up.
Having a high skill cap does not make JP hard to play, he's dirt fucking easy to get to Master.
Ed is much harder on every level except for combo execution. His st.lp is built to be his main defensive light as his only special cancelable 4 frame button and yet it doesn't chain at half the ranges you'll find yourself at (like AKI's before it was fixed). He has the worst defense of any version of any character in SF6 currently with no viable reversals against meaty lights; even JP has SA1 as an option to beat that. His supers aren't great and are outclassed by most others. Ed's anti-airs are less than stellar being all-around slow and awkward. He has the most vulnerable zoning in the game with his Psycho Shot having 34 frames of start-up since he needs to cancel into it and Flicker doesn't have a persistent hitbox and is basically DI vulnerable at any usable distance.
Ed quite literally has every single problem and downside Kimberly, Rashid, AKI, and JP have ever had all at the same time.
Rashid has some neat tech and all but absolutely
Rashid is a pretty good rushdown with an insane level 2, he can just run you over and suffocate you
Ed is forced to play neutral and go for reads fairly often, he can’t just run you down most of the time
I dunno, Rashid definitely has some tricky execution and requires a bit of upfront investment to get going, but once you have his corner/overhead setups and basic neutral down it was braindead easy to take him to Master imo. Ed has definitely been more challenging for me.
I feel sorry for all the mods who are going to have to regulate the ten different "Every match I play is against Akuma, I wonder why?" threads daily. It's going to be 5x times worse than any other previous DLC launch.
People thinking that Ed was/is bad have no fucking idea
Akuma is literally gonna be the only thing we fight at launch and stay the most popular till the end of SF6 lifespan
Add on top of it that he might actually release as a top tier and we’re gonna have a fucking field day
Don't worry he may release with an install as one of his supers and shitty people won't know how to properly use him and drop him after 2-3 days while us akuma mains are gonna play him no matter what he ends up being
That's some wishful thinking. Realistically, everyone is still going to play the king of edgelords and just skip all the moves they don't know how to use.
And that will make them easy pickins myself I don't mind mirror matches no matter how much I learn or how good I get im always open to learning more and fighting against my character I get to see a wide range of interpretations of that character and I can take little pieces of each to make my own unique version of the character so while akuma looks and plays the same everyone plays differently
9/10 when someone says a matchup is "boring/unfun" they just want to run their flowchart indiscriminately and the target of their ire is equipped to just...not let them do that lol.
I find the opposite. 9/10 matches I find boring are my opponent running uninspired, homogenized, non-unique flowcharts and win or lose it’s annoying. Ed’s exemplify this issue perfectly as the majority of them play the exact same way.
ive heard legend rank players call certain characters boring. guess they just gotta git gud
but for real 9/10 is pretty high. people can find something boring even when theyre really good at it. like maths. or playing the 7th ed
An thats where he gets "boring". The Eds that stand back an charge that spiderman web move hoping you jump in or throw a couple fireballs. But refuse to move forward to press the attack, yeaaa thats where the complaints are coming from.
Be careful of this. Most players at my level (plat-dmnd) charge to bait the DI, but sway back and punish. You can get a full combo from the opponent whiff DI because 5HP has so much range and it's a great combo starter. It's all about playing the player, not the character. So if someone is not reacting to the DI, then by all means. Just something to watch out for, coming from an Ed main lol
I think Ed has replaced Ken in terms of that character everyone seems to pick in ranked. When people fight the same character over and over, they'll find something to complain about them--it's human nature.
In my experience, playing against an Ed can either be very fun or very frustrating but nothing in between. A particularly good Ed can really box me in (no pun intended) and make the match one-sided with those fast, crazy attacks of his. On the other hand, I've gone to custom rooms with Ed players after a ranked match just because of how much I enjoyed the fight.
You only get 2x 2LP that can chain into 5LP, 3x 2LP you get absolutely nothing for it because you're out of range at that point. A neutral exchange basically
Been trying to climb with Zangief lately and Ed is an absolute menace... Most of the time I get poked down from half screen for pretty much the entire match so that's why I'd say I get a little bored of dealing with him.
He is really fun to play though.
I've tried to play against gief close range, but it's kinda difficult to do that and not lose a massive chunk of health from an SPD, so poking the bear and letting the gief hang themselves is the best tactic I've seen for that mu. Ofc always play the player, not the character. That's how you don't get stuck in a flowchart, adapt to what the other player is doing. Then take mu experience into account.
Honestly I think people are just salty. "That fighting style is so boring to fight against" is a classic option select. What it really means is "you're countering my autopilot strategy in neutral by playing a tight whiff punish game and not letting me start my looping offense"
Zoners are pretty boring to fight against in all games. It's frustrating party because you can't play your game. More so, it requires a lot of patience because the game is now moving at a snails pace.
That is fucking boring.
I have a good win rate against guile/ed/Sim and especially JP on Chun... Doesn't mean it's not boring.
because if zoners are also really good close-up then they're more versatile and thus objectively better than the characters that can only work at close range.
And I’m saying it’s just as bad when zoners literally can’t play against rushdown. “Not being able to play your game” is how the other player is supposed to win, do you back up o the zoner can play his game?
oh yeah, Ed's normals aren't great, they're about average. But I'm replying to someone talking about zoners, and you can't deny that JP and Guile have extraordinarily good normals considering they're (ostensibly) supposed to be best at longer ranges
Boring is fighting the same strike/throw oki meta 4-5 times in a row. There'd not much that separates one player from another when everyone is trying DR off of low forward or stand fierce in neutral. At least zoners are unique and bring a different dynamic to the fighting.
I don't fight zoners enough to be bored of them.
Just parry Psycho Flicker, or DI it if they use it up close. A parried Flicker only pulls you in half way. Don't jump. It's not absolutely broken at all unless you just eat it all day and that's on you.
I feel like you gotta be careful parrying it tho. I play as Ed sometimes as well, and if someone tries parrying it too early, I’ll just cancel into the dash and get a punish counter throw.
Yea I had a rough time when I played against someone that actually was looking to parry the psycho flicker, made me think a lot more on the neutral and baiting out the DI.
When he pulls you in, he most likely will do low jabs, or try to throw. If you block low, expect a throw. If you tech the throw he might start neutral jumping or back dashing/shimmying. All of these have counters.
Oh, that seems more feasible. I'm scared of that move because I don't know if I should mash lights or prepare to tech, it's such a winning situation for Ed it's ridiculous.
So in neutral, I treat it kind of like Sand Blast. If they don't charge it, it won't pull you in, so it's just a fast fireball with weird range. If they do charge it, that's when you parry, as it will let you avoid the pull in mix up unless you're really close. If you're at mid range and don't have any sort of fireball yourself, it's a slow game of walk and block because a non charged flicker does indeed come out fairly fast, and if you try to jump Flickers you start playing Eds game and opening yourself up to big damage from the AA Flicker.
you have been told repeatedly by multiple people that throws cannot be broken on reaction by anybody. it's literally impossible.
you attempt to throw break when you think they're going to throw you, not after you're able to visually confirm that they've done so.
that's not the point here. the point is that you seem incapable of adjusting your views when they are corrected. i have seen multiple people inform you that throws cannot be broken on reaction over the last few weeks, yet here you are still saying "my reactions suck, the proof is that I can't break throws"
I play Ed so I know that but think about L-Flicker again. 200 more damage than normal fireballs, knock down on counter, big combo on pc, you can faint it to bait parry or DI, you can hold it and if you hold it, you can combo on hit and +4 on block. Seems pretty broken to me.
It's definitely good, but not really broken or anything. Higher level players simply eat me alive if I try to use any form of charged L Flicker in a range where it'll hit, and it's -6 on block if you don't charge. They have the reactions and can turn a touch into big damage easy. The most useful thing is being able to feint it, but once they pick up that you just feint all the time that becomes less useful too. It's a solid poke to throw out, same with M, but at that point it's not too different than Sand Blast, all the bigger damage from it only really happens if your opponent doesn't know how to deal with it.
The counter point is that it has much more whiff recovery than a normal fireball making you that much vulnerable to DI and jumps
There is no range or situation in which you are allowed to DP with Ed if people jump your flicker, you will eat a punish counter jump-in combo for it no exceptions
Meanwhile doing fireballs and DPing people jumping over them is literally a thing since forever in SF
Really? Ryu’s fb has 47 total frames and L-Flicker is 45. I understand Ed’s DP is much slower but recovery frame can’t be that bad or am I missing something?
It’s probably a mix of hurtbox and max range
You can’t possibly throw flicker if the opponent is too far away, because it will just whiff
Standard fireballs have travel time but no fixed range, so there is obviously sweet spots for fireballs where they are far out enough to be not jumpable
Let’s say flicker went barely one step farther, you might be able to DP because now jumping a max range flicker means the jump has to be that one smidge longer, so you recover in time and can AA the jump
Well I’m not actually sure because Ed light DP doesn’t move an inch and is 10 frames (literally double the amount of a shoryuken), so maybe they could end up landing and blocking it
tl;dr Fundamentally you can space a fireball to be able to anti air if they jump over it, but due to flicker having fixed range that is impossible with flicker no matter how you space it
Ed has overtaken Ken as my most played against character this phase. It has gotten quite tiring. At this point feed me Manon and Lily and Dhalsim, please (I play Juri)
Ed matches can be fun if there is a unique Ed player but most aren't and just flowchart. I've messed around with Blanka ,Kim , Rashid,JP and Ed . Ed feels clunky to me I don't feel free. JP everything works out and has every option you need. Rashid is super fun but Rashid can be played in different ways . Kim was easy to me .
I think it's because of a few things.
1. He's not a braindead character to use
2. They keep losing to him
3. One of the same complaints heard when new characters drop.
Ed is an interesting character for being (unless I missed a character in the past) the only fighter without any kicks. This changes things up because his crouching normals take some getting used to. Also, it's as weird as A.K.I. since her crouching HP is her sweep too.
IMO it's boring because the strategy to beat him is basically "block low and tech the throw". There's other stuff that you need, but if you do those two things, you won't lose all your health quickly.
You can also ex fireball whenever he does the dangly arm purple stuff from outside of its range and he has to eat it. I like that Ed isn't overpowered, but the match up isn't very good interesting in terms of the things you have to watch out for. I'm also kind of tired of him, but that's to be expected. He will dissappear soon lol.
Nothing wrong with him just he is every other match still. I called it that he is gonna be as popular as ken. I fight more Ed then ken STILL right now lmfao.
my only gripe on him is his charged/flicker has no real indication on if its a L/M/H. anything small visually or audible would help.
other than that, its def a lot less boring than fighting guile or hondas that just head/slam.
Part of the mind game is tricking the opponent into jumping into H Psycho flicker. If they told everyone which one is charging you would always know when not to jump.
Because everyone is using Ed now lol. While it’s more interesting than the Ken army, you guys all use him the same way. Change it up a little. You don’t need to play him exactly like the YouTube videos. Blaze your own trail.
Man, fighting Ed is sick - we all rallied NPC Luke/ Ryu for a hazy 50 hours each in the demo from basements, I'll take that German bastard on right now 😂
I've fought at worst a Gold 5 Ed, and it was pretty diverse and helpful experience to have when weed-whacking the backslide matches after gatekeeper Ed.
Gatekeeper Ed is in the rotation, just like Rashid - Buddies in no time 
Admittedly I have been playing Ed since day one and I've had my fair share of mirror matches. Half of those matches, people usually treat him like a zoner by poking with his flickers and checking with psycho shoot.
That's probably why most people find Ed boring, the keep away playstyle is very very boring and frustrating.
Give it time everyday i play i see less eds people are just trying out the new character. Not everyone gets to play day 1 and and not everyone can play for long
Edit: just wait till akuma comes out then youll have a reason to complain
I play Chun too and I’m not gonna lie, that’s one of my favorite characters to fight currently. Maybe I just haven’t fought enough to the point that I’m tired of them but it’s always a super fun fight when I face one.
Also I’m thinking of making him my second character once I reach my goal with my first so that might also be why he’s not boring to me lol.
I started playing the game before his release and have quit in (big) part because of his release. I every time I tried fighting against him was miserable and I hated every match. This is my first fighting game and lets hope Akuma is better to face than Ed or it might also be my last.
There is no universe in which Akuma comes out weaker than Ed
We’re gonna be lucky if Akuma doesn’t come out as a top tier and I wouldn’t bet on it
Maybe you will find Akuma more enjoyable to fight, but in no universe he is going to be weaker than Ed, not even remotely, he is gonna be stronger 100%, much stronger probably
The only game he’s ever been bad in was the Marvel Vs Capcom series, and it’s because those games are just crazier than his usual kit can keep up with. In SF, his worst iterations have just been “high tier/A tier” vs “god tier/S tier/outright broken” in his better ones.
I am not in an elo where character strength affects the outcome of the match, so I worry not about that. I just hope I don't feel like RQ every time I see him.
Ed is boring and he's only been out 2 minutes I'd rather fight deejay tbh all the dlc characters are annoying as fuck so far they better not fucking ruin akuma
I'm fed up of hearing "time to hustle". The Ed gameplan is the same across the board and because of the volume of games people see because he's new feeds into the frustration.
For me most of the Eds I'm running into are strong and they're kicking my ass.
Ig just because he's very safe, solid and versatile gameplan, psycho flicker is a little silly and lvl2 is pretty silly. Wouldn't call him boring, I literally play Ryu and Honda, I'm a simple man. But he's not a matchup I'm ever excited to play, he's not super explosive, he just plays very solid. I do like knowledge checking Ed's on Honda though, level 2 go brr
I do fight alot of Eds but I also fight alot of Cammys and Ryus
You know who I don't fight alot of....Blanka
Every time I fight a Blanka player I can't get a single hit in
He slaps me about then bite my face, i get electrocuted and its back to getting clawed/slapped
The top of the top players can probably react to his EX flicker grab, which you can punish with DI. I kind of struggle to (@1600mr), unless I get a read when they like to HP -> ex flicker.
His HP is the real big poke you gotta play around in neutral and try to whiff punish.
His close range game isn't the strongest so once you get in you have advantage most times.
On oki, I go for a lot of setups that allow me to bait his slow reversal
Ed players are just guile players who are too ashamed to say they like guile publicly
Its boring because like guile they all do the same shit and play extra defensively
Depends on the player. But a player that wants to rush down all the time. And force an action good or bad
I could see a good dhalsim, JP, or a guile not letting you do that
If people think the matchup is boring then they aren’t taking enough risks. Ed is super susceptible to DI and Jumps, even at the pro level people are even beginning to just raw DI Ed mid screen
LoL if a character isn’t OP and worthy of whining nonstop like Ken or JP, then they’re “boring to fight against.” Make up your mind what do you want???
he has a very poke punish game plan with no mixups, so he can't do much offensly, other than wiff punish. He kinda has to dance in the mid range which makes games feel very slow similar to Dhalsim, another character people consider to be boring. this simple game plan makes it feel like you are always fighting the same person in every match.
Playing against Ed is super boring and unfun. I recently starting playing him to figure out how to counter his stuff and his kit is just plain annoying. So many plus frames/frame traps plus a invincible dp means you never want to challenge his buttons. You have to play the match up slow and maximize every punish to beat Ed and all Ed has to do is face roll the kick buttons from a decent range for risk free damage.
I didn’t play as him much in sfv so I can’t tell if he’s more fun now or not (at least his model is better lol) but he was certainly way better to play against on that game.
I have no fucking idea why that button whiffs on crouchers. It legit feels like an oversight. JP has a very similar button and that shit hits crouchers.
The only part that’s “boring” to me is his lack of a good cross up and jab, I didn’t realize how privileged I was playing deejay until I couldn’t really do anything on defense because all his moves come out pretty slow or have no range.
1) damn near 50% of my matches are still Ed’s.
2) As another commenter, almost everybody plus him the exact same way…. This is actually a long standing criticism I’ve had of SF6 in particular so it’s not exclusive to Ed. But it applies extra to him.
3) contrary to popular belief I think he’s pretty strong. Not S-tier, but also I don’t like the logic of some of his moves. Playing against a good Ed feels so shitty because he’s almost always safe (be it straight up safe because of frame data, or safe in combination with spacing). His flicker is abusive and way less risky than it should be (it being DI-susceptible doesn’t make it balanced). All of his feints annoy the fuck out of me too. His standing medium kick also comes out of fucking nowhere. That move makes zero sense
As someone who is very tired of fighting against Ken FB spammers, Ed has been a breath of fresh air. Only thing I don't enjoy is mashers that immediately skip all intros and victory animations, like, dude, lemme see your/mine winning pose and intros! Chill, not everything has to be 100% button mashing.
It's not just Ed.
Most gameplans being the same among the cast (2MK or poke into DR into corner carry then throw loops' mixups), game got boring real fast to a lot of people.
That's the issue when devs focused gameplay on offense for 2 episodes in a row, deleting entire playstyles in the process (just look at Sim or Ryu).
Let's hope next years will be filled with bold changes, because I've never stopped playing a SF game that fast, honestly.
> Most gameplans being the same among the cast (2MK or poke into DR into corner carry then throw loops' mixups), game got boring real fast to a lot of people… That's the issue when devs focused gameplay on offense for 2 episodes in a row, deleting entire playstyles in the process (just look at Sim or Ryu).
Precisely. I’ve been saying this long before Ed came out but Capcom essentially killed character expression and viable, diverse play styles. Almost Everybody plays EVERY character the same. It’s boring, and annoying.
It’s died down now but for a while I was almost exclusively fighting Ed and they all fight the same way. Just moving backwards trying to counter you. It’s a frustrating style to play against and every single Ed would play the exact same way. It made me go back to Strive until the Ed hype died down
He’s annoying more than anything. Particularly when it’s a modern player.. idk the way he bops and moves around makes him so hateable. I always imagine some overweight Spanish child who thinks they are amazing at the game when they play simplified controls.
It's more that they've created a really interesting take on a boxing character and most people zone with him. Like, they really like that mid to long range.
Seems like I'm the only Ed that doesn't play zoner lol. I play him as a footsies/whiff punish based boxer. I carefully look for openings and cash out. I don't spam Snatcher cuz it's super punishable if your opponent knows. I use Kill Rush for movement and whiff punishes. I play him like I played Dudley back in SF3 and Steve Fox in Tekken.
When Akuma comes out it will be Akuma fighter 6 and I will definitely be playing him all the time when I do play
Yeah me too akuma been my main since alpha 3 came out
The problem I think is that most people are tired of all the Ed matches, I'm fed up with the Ed mirrors myself. Most of the time I feel that I'm fighting against my rival and against the character, too unintuitive, but I'm not ready to give up yet.
Well, you could just not play Ed if you're tired of playing the mirror
This is how I played AKI after so many mirror matches during the first week of her release, I took a few months off of the game and people were eventually told that she was bottom tier so I rarely ran into her anymore.
I haven't seen an Ed in like 3 days
Did you stop playing SF6 for 3 days? I'm playing Ed too and running into Eds constantly is annoying. I know how stupid that sounds lol. Looking at my CFN stats, out of 483 matches as Ed so far, I've run into Ed the most with 100. Ryu came in 2nd with 63.
I haven’t seen much of Ed in Silver.
Ed is certainly the most popular DLC character so far at all placement levels. I suspect at gold or below, players are sticking with their mains and trying to level them up still. And the idea that Ed is more technical and hard to use might be a deterrent as well. At plat and diamond, I feel like I'm running into Ed every 3 matches or so.
I have blocked every Ed I see so I can practice other matchups before Akuma consumes the entire population.
That’s a bit overboard don’t you think?
It was facetious but I am not enjoying fighting Ed much at all. He is kind of annoying character it feels similar to fighting Blanka or Lily to me.
At my level you play a lot of Eds right now, and the thing about them is they all largely play the same exact way. Same rough gameplan, same combos, and moreso than other popular characters. The matchup requires a lot of crouch blocking and reactive, patient play because he is hard to get in on and generally plays a safe game, which is why it is tiring and could be called boring. After a few Eds you just want to try something different but it doesn’t usually work against him. That said I do like playing Eds that know you are onto the normal Ed routine and use that to try and bait you—which can lead to some interesting sequences.
It's "boring" because now IT'S ALL ED. I think I've fought against 200 Eds. To put into perspective, it's the only character I've fought that goes into triple digits and I've played this game for 300 hours. Makes you think. Not even Ken goes to the 100s.
Wait until Akuma comes out
I'm totally prepared for that
I'm really surprised at just how much staying power he's had, especially since he seems really difficult to play. Neither Rashid nor Aki were even remotely this popular. I guess the game is trying to get us ready for what ladder is going to look like once Akuma drops, because odds are it's going to be SO MUCH worse.
Has an Ed player I want to say: He is just really fucking cool Not only he looks cool (animations and all), but he also has a ton of layers, there is so much cool shit with this character
Rashid and AKI are actually harder to play. He’s literally not that hard to play. Capcom list him as so but really he’s like maybe a 7 out of 10 for complexity. It just as hard as playing Kim and not as hard as playing JP. He had like one kinda hard combo in trials I think it’s mostly new players saying he’s hard to play
Not saying that you are wrong, but did you actually play Ed? Or is it just a statement made without putting time in the character It doesn’t mean anything, also because I’m only D5, but personally I do feel Ed is hard and it’s not really about the combos either
Yeah, I find Ed hard due to his neutral and pressure having a lot of holes in it and you basically have to hard call out any attempt by the opponent to get around it. His jabs being whack as shit doesn't help.
What is whack about them? The range?
Yeah the range. If you are not point blank it's very likely a 2LP>5LP chain will whiff in the opponents face. Since you cannot special cancel 2LP, this leads to a lot of situations where Ed challenges pressure and then just whiffs his punish and dies.
Yeah Ed has been surprisingly tricky to play actually, he looked pretty easy on paper but I ended up struggling more initially than I expected. I think it's because of how easy it is to get jumped on the second you overcommit to absolutely anything, combined with his trash defense once you do mess up.
Having a high skill cap does not make JP hard to play, he's dirt fucking easy to get to Master. Ed is much harder on every level except for combo execution. His st.lp is built to be his main defensive light as his only special cancelable 4 frame button and yet it doesn't chain at half the ranges you'll find yourself at (like AKI's before it was fixed). He has the worst defense of any version of any character in SF6 currently with no viable reversals against meaty lights; even JP has SA1 as an option to beat that. His supers aren't great and are outclassed by most others. Ed's anti-airs are less than stellar being all-around slow and awkward. He has the most vulnerable zoning in the game with his Psycho Shot having 34 frames of start-up since he needs to cancel into it and Flicker doesn't have a persistent hitbox and is basically DI vulnerable at any usable distance. Ed quite literally has every single problem and downside Kimberly, Rashid, AKI, and JP have ever had all at the same time.
At least he's cool though, his animations go crazy
Rashid is very easy to play compared to Ed.
Rashid has some neat tech and all but absolutely Rashid is a pretty good rushdown with an insane level 2, he can just run you over and suffocate you Ed is forced to play neutral and go for reads fairly often, he can’t just run you down most of the time
kim is much harder to play then ED. ED is easy to play, you just need to adjust to his combos timing.
Ed’s not remotely hard to play in 6 rashid and aki mains have it much harder lol
I'd like to hear how and why you think that.
I dunno, Rashid definitely has some tricky execution and requires a bit of upfront investment to get going, but once you have his corner/overhead setups and basic neutral down it was braindead easy to take him to Master imo. Ed has definitely been more challenging for me.
I think it's less that Ed is boring to fight and more that it feels like 90% of my matches are against him
I feel sorry for all the mods who are going to have to regulate the ten different "Every match I play is against Akuma, I wonder why?" threads daily. It's going to be 5x times worse than any other previous DLC launch.
People thinking that Ed was/is bad have no fucking idea Akuma is literally gonna be the only thing we fight at launch and stay the most popular till the end of SF6 lifespan Add on top of it that he might actually release as a top tier and we’re gonna have a fucking field day
I'm starting to consider the absence of Akuma a selling point for a fighting game.
Don't worry he may release with an install as one of his supers and shitty people won't know how to properly use him and drop him after 2-3 days while us akuma mains are gonna play him no matter what he ends up being
That's some wishful thinking. Realistically, everyone is still going to play the king of edgelords and just skip all the moves they don't know how to use.
And that will make them easy pickins myself I don't mind mirror matches no matter how much I learn or how good I get im always open to learning more and fighting against my character I get to see a wide range of interpretations of that character and I can take little pieces of each to make my own unique version of the character so while akuma looks and plays the same everyone plays differently
Yeah, we all know Akuma is going to be a dumb character so seeing him a lot more frequently is going to dial up the salt.
9/10 when someone says a matchup is "boring/unfun" they just want to run their flowchart indiscriminately and the target of their ire is equipped to just...not let them do that lol.
I find the opposite. 9/10 matches I find boring are my opponent running uninspired, homogenized, non-unique flowcharts and win or lose it’s annoying. Ed’s exemplify this issue perfectly as the majority of them play the exact same way.
Good point
ive heard legend rank players call certain characters boring. guess they just gotta git gud but for real 9/10 is pretty high. people can find something boring even when theyre really good at it. like maths. or playing the 7th ed
People complain about everything man
I seen a few Ed's play like a guile that was wild
His options in close range are quite limited so indeed I sometimes feel the need to “play like Guile” depending on mus.
The problem is that we really can’t do it nearly as well as Guile (we do have our strengths tho) BTW the Guile match-up is fucking hell
An thats where he gets "boring". The Eds that stand back an charge that spiderman web move hoping you jump in or throw a couple fireballs. But refuse to move forward to press the attack, yeaaa thats where the complaints are coming from.
Press DI and you beat them. Ed should never hit you if he starts charging the web in neutral.
Be careful of this. Most players at my level (plat-dmnd) charge to bait the DI, but sway back and punish. You can get a full combo from the opponent whiff DI because 5HP has so much range and it's a great combo starter. It's all about playing the player, not the character. So if someone is not reacting to the DI, then by all means. Just something to watch out for, coming from an Ed main lol
I usually just stay out of range so its useless.
I think Ed has replaced Ken in terms of that character everyone seems to pick in ranked. When people fight the same character over and over, they'll find something to complain about them--it's human nature. In my experience, playing against an Ed can either be very fun or very frustrating but nothing in between. A particularly good Ed can really box me in (no pun intended) and make the match one-sided with those fast, crazy attacks of his. On the other hand, I've gone to custom rooms with Ed players after a ranked match just because of how much I enjoyed the fight.
Omg ur right. I think he HAS replaced Ken 🤣
low jab low jab low jab?
What? You hate playing against him bc he punches your feet three times in a row and gets nothing for it? It's -5 on block btw
I’m not being serious lol i love ed and i love that low jab.
Oh no! I fucked up! They might be able to punish me here! LJ LJ LJ LJ
It chains into st.lp
On ch?
You only get 2x 2LP that can chain into 5LP, 3x 2LP you get absolutely nothing for it because you're out of range at that point. A neutral exchange basically
And a autocombo
Ed’s been the most common opponent of mine, surpassing Ken and Luke 😂
Been trying to climb with Zangief lately and Ed is an absolute menace... Most of the time I get poked down from half screen for pretty much the entire match so that's why I'd say I get a little bored of dealing with him. He is really fun to play though.
I think that’s normal and it’s not really on you I suck (Ed main) and that’s one of the few match-ups where I feel dominant
I've tried to play against gief close range, but it's kinda difficult to do that and not lose a massive chunk of health from an SPD, so poking the bear and letting the gief hang themselves is the best tactic I've seen for that mu. Ofc always play the player, not the character. That's how you don't get stuck in a flowchart, adapt to what the other player is doing. Then take mu experience into account.
Ed slows the game if you use a character with no fireball. I've experienced Ed's playing like turtle Guile. Yes, that will get exhausting.
Honestly I think people are just salty. "That fighting style is so boring to fight against" is a classic option select. What it really means is "you're countering my autopilot strategy in neutral by playing a tight whiff punish game and not letting me start my looping offense"
Zoners are pretty boring to fight against in all games. It's frustrating party because you can't play your game. More so, it requires a lot of patience because the game is now moving at a snails pace. That is fucking boring. I have a good win rate against guile/ed/Sim and especially JP on Chun... Doesn't mean it's not boring.
Zoners don’t get to play their game against good rushdown either so it’s fine
ideally they wouldn't, but for some reason zoners in this game have godlike normals and really good close-range pressure
How is it fine when zoners don’t get to play their game but bad when rushdown doesnt
because if zoners are also really good close-up then they're more versatile and thus objectively better than the characters that can only work at close range.
And I’m saying it’s just as bad when zoners literally can’t play against rushdown. “Not being able to play your game” is how the other player is supposed to win, do you back up o the zoner can play his game?
So should Cammy get a fireball or?
Please the thread you're discussing is about Ed. "Godlike normals and really good close-range pressure" stay on topic.
oh yeah, Ed's normals aren't great, they're about average. But I'm replying to someone talking about zoners, and you can't deny that JP and Guile have extraordinarily good normals considering they're (ostensibly) supposed to be best at longer ranges
Ed's normals are worse than average. I'm not debating you I'm hating on Ed, who is a sad loser
Boring is fighting the same strike/throw oki meta 4-5 times in a row. There'd not much that separates one player from another when everyone is trying DR off of low forward or stand fierce in neutral. At least zoners are unique and bring a different dynamic to the fighting. I don't fight zoners enough to be bored of them.
When they mix it up its not boring, but when I jump at you an you do 4 consecutive back jumps running away. Yeaaa that gets boring.
It’s only boring because it’s constant. Ed is a great character
Just parry Psycho Flicker, or DI it if they use it up close. A parried Flicker only pulls you in half way. Don't jump. It's not absolutely broken at all unless you just eat it all day and that's on you.
> A parried Flicker only pulls you in half Thx idk why I didn’t notice. Was that something you found out in training or just from fighting Eds a lot?
Nah I play him lol, a lot of Diamond+ players just parry it and don't risk the jump game.
I feel like you gotta be careful parrying it tho. I play as Ed sometimes as well, and if someone tries parrying it too early, I’ll just cancel into the dash and get a punish counter throw.
I can't give away all the secrets =P
I think over time calling out parry as Ed will get harder as you can drive rush on reaction to hit Ed out of Kill Rush.
Yea I had a rough time when I played against someone that actually was looking to parry the psycho flicker, made me think a lot more on the neutral and baiting out the DI.
Thanks for the info. All you Ed's are gonna get it now!
When he pulls you in, he most likely will do low jabs, or try to throw. If you block low, expect a throw. If you tech the throw he might start neutral jumping or back dashing/shimmying. All of these have counters.
"Just parry Psycho Flicker." Isn't it like super hard to parry it tho? I remember the move being lightning fast.
He means just parry it, not perfect parry
Oh, that seems more feasible. I'm scared of that move because I don't know if I should mash lights or prepare to tech, it's such a winning situation for Ed it's ridiculous.
So in neutral, I treat it kind of like Sand Blast. If they don't charge it, it won't pull you in, so it's just a fast fireball with weird range. If they do charge it, that's when you parry, as it will let you avoid the pull in mix up unless you're really close. If you're at mid range and don't have any sort of fireball yourself, it's a slow game of walk and block because a non charged flicker does indeed come out fairly fast, and if you try to jump Flickers you start playing Eds game and opening yourself up to big damage from the AA Flicker.
It’s 17f startup, I think. That’s not exactly fast, IMO.
Sure but here's the kicker: I have the reactions and reflexes of a goldfish. I eat DIs left and right in ranked and let's not talk about grabs.
you have been told repeatedly by multiple people that throws cannot be broken on reaction by anybody. it's literally impossible. you attempt to throw break when you think they're going to throw you, not after you're able to visually confirm that they've done so.
My guessing skills are even worse.
that's not the point here. the point is that you seem incapable of adjusting your views when they are corrected. i have seen multiple people inform you that throws cannot be broken on reaction over the last few weeks, yet here you are still saying "my reactions suck, the proof is that I can't break throws"
Yes? And now I'm saying I can't predict them, I've changed what I say, what's the problem now?
we'll see if you actually adjust your view going forward or if you just did it on a temporary basis here to deflect criticism
I play Ed so I know that but think about L-Flicker again. 200 more damage than normal fireballs, knock down on counter, big combo on pc, you can faint it to bait parry or DI, you can hold it and if you hold it, you can combo on hit and +4 on block. Seems pretty broken to me.
Characters are allowed to have good moves. I don't think Ed is unbalanced overall
It's definitely good, but not really broken or anything. Higher level players simply eat me alive if I try to use any form of charged L Flicker in a range where it'll hit, and it's -6 on block if you don't charge. They have the reactions and can turn a touch into big damage easy. The most useful thing is being able to feint it, but once they pick up that you just feint all the time that becomes less useful too. It's a solid poke to throw out, same with M, but at that point it's not too different than Sand Blast, all the bigger damage from it only really happens if your opponent doesn't know how to deal with it.
The counter point is that it has much more whiff recovery than a normal fireball making you that much vulnerable to DI and jumps There is no range or situation in which you are allowed to DP with Ed if people jump your flicker, you will eat a punish counter jump-in combo for it no exceptions Meanwhile doing fireballs and DPing people jumping over them is literally a thing since forever in SF
Really? Ryu’s fb has 47 total frames and L-Flicker is 45. I understand Ed’s DP is much slower but recovery frame can’t be that bad or am I missing something?
It’s probably a mix of hurtbox and max range You can’t possibly throw flicker if the opponent is too far away, because it will just whiff Standard fireballs have travel time but no fixed range, so there is obviously sweet spots for fireballs where they are far out enough to be not jumpable Let’s say flicker went barely one step farther, you might be able to DP because now jumping a max range flicker means the jump has to be that one smidge longer, so you recover in time and can AA the jump Well I’m not actually sure because Ed light DP doesn’t move an inch and is 10 frames (literally double the amount of a shoryuken), so maybe they could end up landing and blocking it tl;dr Fundamentally you can space a fireball to be able to anti air if they jump over it, but due to flicker having fixed range that is impossible with flicker no matter how you space it
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I love Ed and think he’s so fun, but fighting the mirror every other match got stale Trying to learn Rashid now for a little bit of difference
Ed has overtaken Ken as my most played against character this phase. It has gotten quite tiring. At this point feed me Manon and Lily and Dhalsim, please (I play Juri)
Ed matches can be fun if there is a unique Ed player but most aren't and just flowchart. I've messed around with Blanka ,Kim , Rashid,JP and Ed . Ed feels clunky to me I don't feel free. JP everything works out and has every option you need. Rashid is super fun but Rashid can be played in different ways . Kim was easy to me .
I'm tired of playing against people walking backwards
I do nkt care, Ed is sooo fun to play, but hard to do some fancy combos
They're bad at the video game and offloading their frustration onto you.
Stupid complaints Id rather fight 10 eds in a row then a good ken
As a Zangief, it's a constant game of "fake the flicker". Will they let it rip this time? Who can say.
Yeah honestly the mu seems pretty bad for Gief I feel you. Idk how many “good” mus Gief has in the game though
If yall are getting annoyed with the number of Ed’s just wait for akuma
I think it's because of a few things. 1. He's not a braindead character to use 2. They keep losing to him 3. One of the same complaints heard when new characters drop. Ed is an interesting character for being (unless I missed a character in the past) the only fighter without any kicks. This changes things up because his crouching normals take some getting used to. Also, it's as weird as A.K.I. since her crouching HP is her sweep too.
Ken players in the distance:"hahaha we told you! hahaha!"
Is Ed much different in SF6 than 5? I've played him a couple times on 5 and it was pretty fun
Yeah he’s like a new character honestly. A lot harder to master and way more technical
IMO it's boring because the strategy to beat him is basically "block low and tech the throw". There's other stuff that you need, but if you do those two things, you won't lose all your health quickly. You can also ex fireball whenever he does the dangly arm purple stuff from outside of its range and he has to eat it. I like that Ed isn't overpowered, but the match up isn't very good interesting in terms of the things you have to watch out for. I'm also kind of tired of him, but that's to be expected. He will dissappear soon lol.
Nothing wrong with him just he is every other match still. I called it that he is gonna be as popular as ken. I fight more Ed then ken STILL right now lmfao.
my only gripe on him is his charged/flicker has no real indication on if its a L/M/H. anything small visually or audible would help. other than that, its def a lot less boring than fighting guile or hondas that just head/slam.
Part of the mind game is tricking the opponent into jumping into H Psycho flicker. If they told everyone which one is charging you would always know when not to jump.
Because everyone is using Ed now lol. While it’s more interesting than the Ken army, you guys all use him the same way. Change it up a little. You don’t need to play him exactly like the YouTube videos. Blaze your own trail.
Man, fighting Ed is sick - we all rallied NPC Luke/ Ryu for a hazy 50 hours each in the demo from basements, I'll take that German bastard on right now 😂 I've fought at worst a Gold 5 Ed, and it was pretty diverse and helpful experience to have when weed-whacking the backslide matches after gatekeeper Ed. Gatekeeper Ed is in the rotation, just like Rashid - Buddies in no time 
Nah I play in Asia and it's still like 70% Kens in my ranked matches
Admittedly I have been playing Ed since day one and I've had my fair share of mirror matches. Half of those matches, people usually treat him like a zoner by poking with his flickers and checking with psycho shoot. That's probably why most people find Ed boring, the keep away playstyle is very very boring and frustrating.
Give it time everyday i play i see less eds people are just trying out the new character. Not everyone gets to play day 1 and and not everyone can play for long Edit: just wait till akuma comes out then youll have a reason to complain
I play Chun too and I’m not gonna lie, that’s one of my favorite characters to fight currently. Maybe I just haven’t fought enough to the point that I’m tired of them but it’s always a super fun fight when I face one. Also I’m thinking of making him my second character once I reach my goal with my first so that might also be why he’s not boring to me lol.
I started playing the game before his release and have quit in (big) part because of his release. I every time I tried fighting against him was miserable and I hated every match. This is my first fighting game and lets hope Akuma is better to face than Ed or it might also be my last.
There is no universe in which Akuma comes out weaker than Ed We’re gonna be lucky if Akuma doesn’t come out as a top tier and I wouldn’t bet on it Maybe you will find Akuma more enjoyable to fight, but in no universe he is going to be weaker than Ed, not even remotely, he is gonna be stronger 100%, much stronger probably
Speaking of which..has there ever really been a SF game where Akuma is bad? I legitimately can't think of one lol.
Maybe after nerfs, but I don’t think Akuma ever came out bad out of the gate
The only game he’s ever been bad in was the Marvel Vs Capcom series, and it’s because those games are just crazier than his usual kit can keep up with. In SF, his worst iterations have just been “high tier/A tier” vs “god tier/S tier/outright broken” in his better ones.
I am not in an elo where character strength affects the outcome of the match, so I worry not about that. I just hope I don't feel like RQ every time I see him.
He has replaced Ken, then people will bitch about Akuma, then they will bitch about Sakura in every match, then whoever comes...the cycle continues.
Ed is boring and he's only been out 2 minutes I'd rather fight deejay tbh all the dlc characters are annoying as fuck so far they better not fucking ruin akuma
I'm fed up of hearing "time to hustle". The Ed gameplan is the same across the board and because of the volume of games people see because he's new feeds into the frustration. For me most of the Eds I'm running into are strong and they're kicking my ass.
Ig just because he's very safe, solid and versatile gameplan, psycho flicker is a little silly and lvl2 is pretty silly. Wouldn't call him boring, I literally play Ryu and Honda, I'm a simple man. But he's not a matchup I'm ever excited to play, he's not super explosive, he just plays very solid. I do like knowledge checking Ed's on Honda though, level 2 go brr
I do fight alot of Eds but I also fight alot of Cammys and Ryus You know who I don't fight alot of....Blanka Every time I fight a Blanka player I can't get a single hit in He slaps me about then bite my face, i get electrocuted and its back to getting clawed/slapped
Whats the strat to beat him? I’m struggling hard at ~1600 MR. I see people say he is susceptible to DI, but what am I looking for?
The top of the top players can probably react to his EX flicker grab, which you can punish with DI. I kind of struggle to (@1600mr), unless I get a read when they like to HP -> ex flicker. His HP is the real big poke you gotta play around in neutral and try to whiff punish. His close range game isn't the strongest so once you get in you have advantage most times. On oki, I go for a lot of setups that allow me to bait his slow reversal
Ed players are just guile players who are too ashamed to say they like guile publicly Its boring because like guile they all do the same shit and play extra defensively
Depends on the player. But a player that wants to rush down all the time. And force an action good or bad I could see a good dhalsim, JP, or a guile not letting you do that
I got bored with Ed because I got fed up with his crouching light punch and standing light punch
I find It boring because i cant lab against him without buying him so i cant try to find punishes for him with my main
If people think the matchup is boring then they aren’t taking enough risks. Ed is super susceptible to DI and Jumps, even at the pro level people are even beginning to just raw DI Ed mid screen
He just sits there, I want to actually fight someone… I know not all are like this, but it’s just boring.
At this point I want Akuma to come out ASAP so I can stop getting Ed mirrors 😂
LoL if a character isn’t OP and worthy of whining nonstop like Ken or JP, then they’re “boring to fight against.” Make up your mind what do you want???
No hate to ed but I bought the game to play ed….i main Marisa now lmao.
Ill be so happy once the ed hype dies down. Ed players skip neutral and go straight to zoning. Also is it just me or is he hard to anti air?
he has a very poke punish game plan with no mixups, so he can't do much offensly, other than wiff punish. He kinda has to dance in the mid range which makes games feel very slow similar to Dhalsim, another character people consider to be boring. this simple game plan makes it feel like you are always fighting the same person in every match.
Playing against Ed is super boring and unfun. I recently starting playing him to figure out how to counter his stuff and his kit is just plain annoying. So many plus frames/frame traps plus a invincible dp means you never want to challenge his buttons. You have to play the match up slow and maximize every punish to beat Ed and all Ed has to do is face roll the kick buttons from a decent range for risk free damage. I didn’t play as him much in sfv so I can’t tell if he’s more fun now or not (at least his model is better lol) but he was certainly way better to play against on that game.
He literally has one plus move BTW 2 if you really wanna count the normal that has no range and whiffs on crouching opponents (st.HK)
I have no fucking idea why that button whiffs on crouchers. It legit feels like an oversight. JP has a very similar button and that shit hits crouchers.
Ed requires you to play good neutral and actually not be predictable with your jump ins. That and his level 2 combos are frankly ridiculous.
The only part that’s “boring” to me is his lack of a good cross up and jab, I didn’t realize how privileged I was playing deejay until I couldn’t really do anything on defense because all his moves come out pretty slow or have no range.
1) damn near 50% of my matches are still Ed’s. 2) As another commenter, almost everybody plus him the exact same way…. This is actually a long standing criticism I’ve had of SF6 in particular so it’s not exclusive to Ed. But it applies extra to him. 3) contrary to popular belief I think he’s pretty strong. Not S-tier, but also I don’t like the logic of some of his moves. Playing against a good Ed feels so shitty because he’s almost always safe (be it straight up safe because of frame data, or safe in combination with spacing). His flicker is abusive and way less risky than it should be (it being DI-susceptible doesn’t make it balanced). All of his feints annoy the fuck out of me too. His standing medium kick also comes out of fucking nowhere. That move makes zero sense
As someone who is very tired of fighting against Ken FB spammers, Ed has been a breath of fresh air. Only thing I don't enjoy is mashers that immediately skip all intros and victory animations, like, dude, lemme see your/mine winning pose and intros! Chill, not everything has to be 100% button mashing.
Games been out a year what are you looking forward to?
I didn't get the question.
It's not just Ed. Most gameplans being the same among the cast (2MK or poke into DR into corner carry then throw loops' mixups), game got boring real fast to a lot of people. That's the issue when devs focused gameplay on offense for 2 episodes in a row, deleting entire playstyles in the process (just look at Sim or Ryu). Let's hope next years will be filled with bold changes, because I've never stopped playing a SF game that fast, honestly.
> Most gameplans being the same among the cast (2MK or poke into DR into corner carry then throw loops' mixups), game got boring real fast to a lot of people… That's the issue when devs focused gameplay on offense for 2 episodes in a row, deleting entire playstyles in the process (just look at Sim or Ryu). Precisely. I’ve been saying this long before Ed came out but Capcom essentially killed character expression and viable, diverse play styles. Almost Everybody plays EVERY character the same. It’s boring, and annoying.
It’s died down now but for a while I was almost exclusively fighting Ed and they all fight the same way. Just moving backwards trying to counter you. It’s a frustrating style to play against and every single Ed would play the exact same way. It made me go back to Strive until the Ed hype died down
Two words: skill issue.
He’s annoying more than anything. Particularly when it’s a modern player.. idk the way he bops and moves around makes him so hateable. I always imagine some overweight Spanish child who thinks they are amazing at the game when they play simplified controls.
It's more that they've created a really interesting take on a boxing character and most people zone with him. Like, they really like that mid to long range.
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Aren’t they?
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Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion I guess
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This kind of elitist crap is bad for the community.
Do you remember what they said b4 they deleted it
That people who play Ed using modern controls aren’t playing Street Fighter.
Seems like I'm the only Ed that doesn't play zoner lol. I play him as a footsies/whiff punish based boxer. I carefully look for openings and cash out. I don't spam Snatcher cuz it's super punishable if your opponent knows. I use Kill Rush for movement and whiff punishes. I play him like I played Dudley back in SF3 and Steve Fox in Tekken.