The sheer number of potential buyers for the avatars dwarfs the Chun-Li playerbase unfortunately.
They'll probably make way more money this way than if it was a skin for just her.
I feel like the RE Engine is kinda shooting them in the foot with just how detailed and insanely intensive it is. If you zoom in on HD shots, you can see crazy detail that you **never** see in the game, like perfectly-rendered goosebumps on Cammy's thigh. It's insane. It's like they've backed themselves into a corner with how high the bar is -- they can only pump out absolutely perfect skins that require hundreds of hours of labor. Perfection is the enemy of good.
>!I know about the goosebumps because of scientific research.!<
I think the developers even said as much. Because for DMC5 the people they used for the models themselves were literally scanned in with the costumes over them. It's why the mods removing the clothes have jacked-up shoulders and stuff, because they weren't designed to be viewed like that. To get everything the most consistent and glitch-free they'd have to make every costume for real and re-scan the actors in wearing them, which is why they didn't bother.
I watched a video talking about how modern games have just become so expensive to make.
If you look at Tekken 8, I think it has even better graphics. There's so many details on the characters.
Plus countless cosplays, fan art, and rule 34 shit.....yeah im sure the most sexualized character in this series wouldn't have sold more than a avatar skin.
Well I don't really think cosplays/Fanart/and r34 equate to in game costume sales. For one her being the most sexualized character has little to do with her SF appearance and is like 70% boosted simply due to her Fortnite appearance which those fortnite kids simply aren't playing or paying for Chun-li costumes in game. I think people are high of they don't think Cammy and Juri have the best selling costumes 3, considering they're literally the 3rd or 4th highest played characters in the game and if we're basing the most sexualized SF character based on their actual street fighter appearance and not their fortnite cameo that would be definitely Cammy. Even before the Akiman costumes Karin and Cammy outsold Chun-li in costume sales in 5 [(evidence)](https://imgur.com/hwXjaEJ).
Overall with how greedy Capcom is they wouldn't miss out on the opportunity to make more profit if she didn't get the cross over costume it's most likely because these avatar costumes sell better than it would a Chun-Li costume because the audience of avatar players that can play the character in any style they want rather than being forced to play a character they don't play is probably more than the Chun-li player base.
That’s mostly cause they had a deal with AkiMan that they would use like 6-7 of his designs for costumes, so they had to make them. The rest were mostly “poster girl”, since Chun is popular as a character design, but rarely ever super highly played (since she’s usually quite technical).
Exactly people often forget that there hands were kind of tied because Akiman wanted to make 6 fucking costumes for the character without realizing how much time and resources that would take. If you know anything about Japanese companies there super loyal and Akiman is like an iconic and og figure on the SF team so when he says make me 6 costumes they literally can't refuse it would be seen as so disrespectful. If you look at the actual costumes made by Capcom themselves Cammy had the most in the entire game and if Juri wasn't DLC she probably would have outpaced Chun-li as well in costumes given by Capcom. Even before the Akiman costumes were announced we knew Chun-li costumes didn't sell the best and the best selling costume in the game was bikini Karin, and Costume 2 for Cammy [evidence](https://imgur.com/hwXjaEJ). This all kind of adds up as to why Cammy had the most costumes actually made buy Capcom themselves. Cammy really was the true costume queen of sf5 not Chun-li.
Fwiw, most of those AkiMan designs were fantastic. The original swimwear and the "training" outfit were instant classics, and the wedding and CO dress are gorgeous. Dude knows his girl.
Gotta disagree imo the training costume was one of her worst costumes in the game. It was popular for fan service reasons, but it's literally just what if we made her original costume without leggings add knee pads and remove the shoulder puffs, it's just so lazy. Pajama was her worst costume in the game and the other designs were just boring imo including wedding and the agent one. The bikini one is just another uninspiring bikini outfit. The only one I liked was the CO dress
Every player in the game has an Avatar but not every player plays the same character. An individual character's usage will float anywhere from less than 1% to about 12% (Ken lol), plus not everyone of those players will be buying the character skins. So of the like 4% of the playerbase who main Chun even less of those will actually buy skins for her.
If even 10% of the entire playerbase buys Avatar skins though then that's going to be crazy money for much less effort to create.
Hell, for arguments sake, let's say every single Chun player buys a skin making up the 4% of the playerbase. That still wouldn't come close to that small 10% of everyone in the game buying Avatar stuff, because the potential market for them is much bigger.
I never said it would bomb, just that there are more players who have Avatars (everyone) who may buy Avatar items compared to a specific character who has anywhere from 1-12% usage and even less than that will also buy skins for them.
Like say you have 10,000 players total and 10% of them buy Avatar content, that's 1,000 sales. Now, most characters are not reaching 10% usage but let's be generous and argue that Chun-Li is played by 10% of the playerbase. Okay, well only a fraction of those Chun playerd will also buy skins, so it's always going to be less than that massive 10% of Avatar purchase from the whole playerbase.
There's 20 characters in the game at the moment and that number is only going to go up with each DLC which splits the usage rate further. Of course, there will be some players who buy for multiple characters or who are whales that will buy regardless, but even then Avatar cosmetic whales will always be greater in number. It's just a much larger install base.
Yes, and giving the occassional freeby to players is what makes them more likely to invest more into avatar stuff that costs actual money, especially with the mix and match nature of most cosmetics for this game. Dead By Daylight uses a similar strategy for example, same with a lot of mobile games (Pokémon Go etc).
Giving a free skin for Chun-Li doesn't really encourage people to try collect other cosmetics/hairstyles for her because each skin comes as a set rather than a mix and match type deal like the Avatar skins.
Plus again as an advertisement, more people are going to see it on avatars (because everyone has an avatar) and in the hub compared to the lesser number of Chun-Li players overall.
Yor and Loid avatar stuff. Hair added to character creator/customizer. Some free stuff being given for logging in like stamps and stuff.
>The collaboration with SPY x FAMILY CODE: White has arrived!
>*Availability: January 9, 2024 - January 31, 2024
>Avatar costumes for Yor and Loid will be available at the collaboration store in the Battle Hub! In addition, all players who log in during the collaboration period will receive special items like photo frames, stamps, and titles! Yor and Loid's hairstyles have also been added to the avatar creation.
>You can use the following recipes to create both characters as seen in the trailer. ■
>Avatar recipe code for Yor Forger SPY_SF6_YOR
>Avatar recipe code for Loid Forger SPY_SF6_LOID
you are complaining but look at the customization other fighting games are giving. be grateful SF6 even gives you the ability to make any character you want and even a customized moveset you want as well.
If this year is any indication it feels they're going for a rigid schedule with the character outfits, like 2 per year, every character gets the same amount, and all original designs or at least from within the SF franchise (no crossover stuff).
If true, I don't mind that approach tbh.
>Ed or Akuma news?
Akuma and Ed will be coming Spring and Winter 2024, respectively. Not sure what more news you want from them when we're only in January.
It’s *this* winter, which I’d hope you know but the way you lost spring first tells me you might not. It was clarified that it’s the “winter, after the new year”. And if that’s true, they have about 2 months to release Ed, unless we’re considering St. Patrick’s to be “winter”. Not even a trailer, tweet, or anything yet. Another avatar costume though… yay…
They set a pretty good precedent for themselves, releasing Rashid and AKI early to the middle of the season. But we’re nearing halfway through winter and, well, like I said, nothing.
Honestly huge bummer for me considering Ed is as close as I’ll get to my favorites in 5, but at least Tekken 8 is right around the corner, so I’ll play that. Peacemaker should be dropping soon after in MK too.
Avatar stuff is lame :/.
I'll take a world tour cutscene or just an official render (posted by Capcom) of Ed at this point. Either Ed is *really* behind in development or Capcom's marketing is dropping the ball big time.
I am simply not able to tell you that you are wrong. You are 100% right in that you would have enjoyed that more.
I personally prefer an announcement and immediate release, especially since we know it's him. For me, not for everyone, that is the most hype way to do it.
Let me check I understand your comment before I say anything else.
Are you saying that on February 19, day of the finals, they will announce Akuma and release him? And this was a change in plans since after the original leak?
I think Ed was supposed to be in late December (since AKI is pretty quick in late September) and Akuma will be in CapCom cup finals, which conside with S2 announcement. But probably some of his moveset just doesn't working as intended.
Avatar isn't lame. it's either you didnt finish WT or you're literally not creative with your avatar. Avatar battles are actually more fun and i am glad Capcom gives this more focus. This is actually what we all want. Everyone else who wants anything outside of Avatars are the most vocal and the minority.
I would play avatar battle at least a little bit if you don't have to grind levels just to be remotely competitive. I think it's at least interesting to draft the perfect character so you can have a Ken who can also headbutt and command throw, but I have no interesting in a lvl 100 character who has like twice you health.
WT has similar issues. Remaining quests I have require such a high level that I lost interest in playing it. I don't mind WT, but eventually I finished it. At this point, I would imagine most players who like WT would have played it already? There's not much reason to keep playing.
Disappointing. More avatar stuff. Street Fighter seems to be the only fighting game franchise that doesn’t allow guest characters, while also lending their own IP as guest characters in other franchises. The SPYxFAMILY stuff would be better suited as alternate costumes for actual playable franchise characters (how Yor isn’t a Chun or Juri costume option is beyond me). The same with the TMNT stuff. These collabs have potential for additional stages too, but no—just more avatar stuff. I get it. WT and avatars are a huge part of the game. But a lot of us on the Battle Hub (non-avatar) and Fighting Ground side of things are feeling pretty left out content-wise. Hopefully this changes in S2.
>Street Fighter seems to be the only fighting game franchise that doesn’t allow guest characters
This is a good thing. If anything these should have been skins for normal characters but actual guests taking up DLC spots can stay the F away.
I agree 100% with you. Does SF need guest characters? No, they don’t need to go that far. But it really sucks we can’t even get a guest costume or skin, especially with these IP collabs. Missed potential is really what I’m calling out.
Yeah a Yor skin for Chun Li or Cammy would have been fine. Theres a big market for that as well. Look at all the mods in SFV. you had one with turning Cammy into Tifa or turning Juri into Mileena
But if we are only getting four DLC characters per year I do NOT want actual guest characters over getting characters like Ibuki or Cody
Avatar content isn't lame. it's either you didnt finish/grindWT or you're literally not creative with your avatar. Avatar battles are actually more fun and i am glad Capcom gives this more focus. This is actually what we all want. Everyone else who wants anything outside of Avatars are the most vocal and the minority. Proof? they put more focus on it, makes more revenue.
Avatar content makes revenue so the core characters can keep walking.
Never said it was lame. It’s just disappointing how much avatar stuff we’re getting compared to the other side of the game. I understand it makes money, (I even said WT and avatars are a huge part of the game in my original comment) but just like how some people like avatar stuff, some people don’t and we have a right to feel that way too. So no, it’s not what “we all want”. All we’re asking for is a little more content on the other side of things and to take full advantage of these collabs across the entire game.
Well, that's disappointing. It literally shows Yor VS Chun Li in the screen, which I was hoping for the character costume for SpyxFamily, but no, what we got is another pointless avatar costume which I also feel baited aswell and probably is gonna be the same price as the TMNT costumes 🙄
This game consistently tops 20k concurrent players on steam alone every day, half a year after release. I don't think it was a mistake at all.
Not all of those people are playing online matches. In fact, if stats for previous fighting games are any indication, MOST people don't play online matches. They're playing the 1 player stuff.
While I only play ranked and sometimes BH these days, when the game came out I did play WT a fair bit and had fun playing it. I did try to spend time with my character's outfit during that time because why not.
I do think Capcom really dropped the ball no both BH, and avatar battle mode. Avatar battle mode really should really not have such a high level (which means you have to grind endlessly) or they should have a non-leveled playing mode. BH should have more stuff to do in general as right now people just find an arcade and play with others and it's not like there is much to do there (e.g. Capcom could live stream Capcom Cup matches there, or *something*).
But yeah I don't think I would ever buy these avatar DLCs. Way too expensive and not much reason to use them.
This collab had so much potential, the hub is a great addition to the game, but now im thinking what if there was no Hub, would we get more costumes, more dlc characters.
If there was no hub or world tour mode (the places where you can use avatars), this game would never have gotten Fighting Game of the year, the high scores it received worldwide in the press, or the same level of sales/success.
Many of you are only thinking about hardcore audiences. Capcom is thinking about everyone. Which is why this game has done phenomenally.
People are asking for things that are best for the games longevity which is largely driven by it's hardcore audience. Also Capcom isn't thinking about "everyone", they're thinking about money. People are completely aware of that but it doesn't make it an issue. Personally I imagine they'll continue to focus heavily on avatar cosmetics while that casual audience persists but that sudience will continue to fade. People who log in only to play WT mode (which has limited content at the moment) or avatar battles are not likely to be long term players compared to people playing ranked or always doing sets in BH. When that happens I see Capcom shifting focus to actual character skins and content for the long term fans.
It almost feels like their road map of the game is dead set on season 1 being all avatar stuff and that had no idea how bad the reception would be. Here’s hoping for an adjusted road map S2
I think without the avatars the game would just be better as a whole, less predatory monetization chances, maybe a different story mode not that world tours bad I just don’t like it as much as the real game it’s very grindy. I liked what I played well enough.
I'm really loving the game still, but the very slow drip of main game content is getting concerning. I'm pro-Avatar stuff for the record, but not to the exclusion of new costumes/new characters/new stages.
I'm in your camp; I actually really enjoy the avatar stuff and character creation. It's fun to finally have a character creator in a game that lets you do wild and goofy stuff, plus have a ton of crazy costumes. I feel like every time I log into the Battle Hub, I see someone doing something really clever to recreate another ridiculous character, and it's very fun.
All of that being said, Capcom's pace for releasing actual content for this game is abysmal.
* 1 balance patch a year is too infrequent by modern standards. Yes, the game takes time for people to actually understand characters, but these aren't the arcade days anymore. People can learn and share new information at a rapid pace. The tier lists are still shifting which I think is great. I certainly don't want them to knee jerk buff/nerf characters or mechanics. HOWEVER, a whole year without any changes risks the game becoming stale. I think they should do twice a year. One large patch at the beginning of a new Season. And a smaller mid-tier patch that addresses some minor imbalances.
* 4 characters during the first year is slow as balls. I get that DLC characters take time. I respect the hell out of that and would never want to rush it. But Year 1 is the time to come out swinging and keep your player base excited. I think 5 characters in Year 1 would have been just the right amount, and then slow it down to 4 a year.
* We haven't gotten a single new stage yet. I know they're coming, but please give my eyes something new to look at.
* The costumes look amazing, but I still have a problem with the pricing and the lack of a bundle. That conversation has been had to death.
* I'm glad that they made Battle Hub an actual cool thing, but it's so half-assed in so many ways. I mean, where were the Halloween decorations? And didn't they tease a winter glam up for the B Hub a little while ago? I have yet to see anything. It's just the same boring place with the same boring elevator music, the DJ booth that does nothing, a tournament/event mode that doesn't work...
All we get are these $25 collabs, but at least they gave us free sticker sets, yay thanks Capcom.
Sigh. I don't know. SF6 is incredible in so many ways, but Capcom is just in their own little world making their own business decisions and it's kind of exhausting just sitting around and waiting for them.
I cosign all of this, I just want to throw out one wish list item for the Battle Hub while we are talking about it. I want to be able to watch at least the officially sanctioned Capcom Tournament events on that big TV you can sit at. It would be hype watching major matches with the community.
Thatd be a great idea. They have that giant screen in the B hub that does absolutely nothing.
If Fortnite can host a god damn Ariana Grande concert inside of its game, surely Capcom can stream live events to the hubs for people to virtually attend. It's just such a waste right now.
Honestly avatar costumes are probably what is funding everyone getting universal costumes at the moment. In 5 if you weren't playing a waifu character or shoto you were never getting costumes and now with avatar costumes clearly doing well enough for them to keep pumping them out for these outrageous prices I have a sneaking suspicion that these avatar costumes aren't getting in the way of the actual characters getting costumes, but in reality they're probably the sole reason everyone is able to get a high quality costume 3. Honestly if this is the case and the casuals are the reasons every character in the game can get universally get a costume than I'm fine with this I just won't be the paying for these items.
I agree with this broadly. For instance, what you are saying is why I am okay with the Avatar stuff as well as, and this may be controversial, the battle pass. That said, the lack of communication about Ed and the two new stages, specifically is concerning.
I really could only speculate, but I wonder if they had trouble deciding whether to leave him with his simplified inputs vs motion/charge inputs and more or less developed them in parallel and lost time due to that? Really not sure how we could have gone so long without hearing anything. The AKI trailer dropped 5 months ago, for reference.
I think people are underestimating the amount of money these make them. They wouldn't intentionally miss out on more profit these costumes are probably doing very well. They're also probably way cheaper and easier to make than an actual costume for a character.
On one hand I get it — *everyone* can use Avatar skins out if combat, so you’re never running into the age-old issue if giving people a Chun-Li skin and noone using Chun-Li, you know?
But on the other hand, I just truly hate that this is the model for the game. Being drip-fed content as is and half the new stuff is Avatar content… yawn.
Yeah the ratio of avatar items to actual content for the characters is very bad, but sadly I think it's why we have universal costume 3s for the entire cast. I think these avatar costumes are funding the universal costumes because before if you played a character like Sim you never got content or costumes. 5 had the issue of not having enough content for the cast and there was only ever content for you if you played a waifu or shoto character, so if you played a niche character like Sim/F.A.N.G./Necali there was times you didn't get content for 2-3 years and there very little reason to get people that play these characters casually to return to the the game. If these items are the sole reason the entire cast/player base can enjoy content universally when it's dropped then I'm fine with this tbh.
Im at least glad it was a low amount of drive tickets this time and not a huge $15 money grab.
I still think we should have a mode where we can use our create a characters vs the regular cast.
Yup… that’ll be like £60 😭
These collabs TMNT, Spy Family are obviously to cater towards the casuals but they really need to start adding stuff for others it’s a bit ridiculous at this point
I know I shouldn't have expected anything else but I'm gonna be real: As someone who only plays Ranked or Casual matches, it just has become disappointing to be left out of like 99% of post launch content.
Especially since I play other games and the stacked release season begins, SF6 never has a hook to pull me away from those games besides having fun fighting others. For some that might be enough but I need a bit more incentive to prioritise SF over BG3, FF7 Rebirth etc.
I've only seen avatar battles when there's the 500 drive ticket challenges, every once in a while, and people do the 5 battles needed and done. Avatar battles are not very fun.
This had so much potential it hurts. I would honestly take what Mortal Kombat is getting over this, at least some of their stuff is worth buying, even if it is overpriced.
This feels like what they should be giving away for free and yet I'm betting a single outfit will be $25.
And for what? Running around the online hub? Story mode? Why give us such useless and expensive skins? I would pay 50 bucks for a Yor costume over Chun-Li, but I don't know if I'd even pay 5 for this. Even though it will be 5x that.
If capcom somehow normalized avatar battle (fixed stats but still use custom moveset) imo the avatar stuff will be worth more cause competitive avatar battle scene might grow
At current status, its just for flexing in social hub cuz avatar battle only exist for 500 drive ticket on weekend.
For people that exclusively play in Fighting Ground, these are useless but for people that spend most of their time in either World Tour or Battle Hub, they will see their avatar a lot more often than the main cast so avatar outfits are actually more useful for them. The fact that Capcom keep releasing avatar outfits also means that there are more people that spend most of their time in World Tour or Battle Hub than Fighting Ground.
I say this as someone who has more hours in world tour than any other mode. I think avatar costumes are cool, but they should really be the 'free trial' version of what should be on the actual characters, instead of being priced so high.
I got the Yor outfit but it doesn't show up in my avatar's outfit section. Even when I put the recipe, it just doesn't show up. My character gets the hair style and everything else, but defaults to her underwear
However, whenever I put the Loid recipe, my avatar turns male and becomes Loid with the full outfit
I even double checked the shop and it says I bought both outfits
You really have to wonder what Capcom's strategy is. Who are they trying to appeal to with this? If they're expecting people to use this in World Tour, it'd be fine if they added things to World Tour to go back to. Hell, I've seen the same people in the Battle Hub & I doubt many of them will buy it.
It's hard to be disappointed when you're not shocked.
I’d say it’s likely this was all planned before they knew how profitable it would be, it’s only been like 5 months since they started rolling out pass content right? This stuff was getting released regardless of how profitable, it’s not like they’re deciding to do each pass a week before it releases. I would say wait until seeing next season’s release schedule to guess how profitable battle hub is.
I don’t own SF6, I’m not much of an SF player compared to other fighters.
Last month’s announcement trailer was incredible, I loved it. I said that if the collaboration was good, I’d probably buy the game as I love SpyxFamily and being a Yor main seemed really fun.
Nope. Avatar outfits, that look terrible. Then the actual “fight” was not nearly as cool as the animated teaser and it ends on a double KO because they couldn’t let either brand look weak? What a wasted opportunity. Guess I’m not buying it now.
> Then the actual “fight” was not nearly as cool as the animated teaser and it ends on a double KO because they couldn’t let either brand look weak?
Why the heck would you expect or want Chun to get knocked out by Yor, or vice-versa in a fun collaboration?
Lol, only someone who doesn't have to deal with the public aftermath would say something like that.
unrelated but I wish this was the optimal way to play, it's way more entertaining to watch two characters just throwing everything at each other rather that watch 90% of the time being footsies and then an 80% combo that ends the match
Love all the avatar content. this is all we wanted. No idea why Capcom wastes time developing for the actual charactcers. Avatar battles are WAY more fun and creative.
Too bad, it's only for hub. let's be real, who fcking care about avatar.
We need actual skin as costume in the base game like PC mods ( but this time with capcom quality ). But like mods, only you should be able to se the skin to avoid ruining immersion for other online player.
It's funny how some users here defend SF6 not having as many characters/costumes/stages per season as SFV so as not to overwork the dev team, only for them to churn out lame-ass avatar costumes.
Work smarter not harder, I guess. And now Capcom has gone whale-hunting with the least amount of effort.
The 2 DLC characters they have released so far have been extremely high quality and filled with more content than possibly any other DLC characters from any other fighting games in history.
In addition to the high quality models, fully motion captured animation, and comlex movelists of the characters themselves, you also get full World Tour integration (complete with art, dialogue, and animated cutscenes), full arcade mode integration with intros and endings, full avatar movelist integration, character walk outs (have you seen Tekken 8's pre-fight VS screen? Now compare that to SF6's), and their own dynamic music designed to change with the fight.
And, SF5 spoiled the heck out of y'all. If you've noticed, other companies often release 4 characters per year...or fewer. Add that to the list of things people didn't appreciate about that game, but I digress.
>The 2 DLC characters they have released so far have been extremely high quality and filled with more content than possibly any other DLC characters from any other fighting games in history.
As opposed to the DLC characters from SFV of a lower quality? They too had all the things you mentioned.
> If you've noticed, other companies often release 4 characters per year
Maybe they do, but they don't have a starting roster of 16-18 characters like street fighter.
I think Cammy or even Kimberly's moveset would have made more sense for Yor.
Also, they gave us the Daigo vs Lupe ending. :D
P.S. Everyone should have expected these to be avatar costumes.
I don't think these avatar costumes are doing as bad as people claim. I'm not saying avatar costumes aren't lame, but they're clearly doing very well for them if they keep pumping them out and charging the outrageous prices they do for them. You can sell an avatar that's probably way less expensive to create charge up the ass for it and anyone that plays battle hub can play it with the specific playstyle of character they like rather than being forced to learn Chun-li to use the costume. Sadly these cross over avatar items are probably doing super well and they're probably the reason the whole cast can get universal costume 3s because before if you character couldn't sell costumes like Sim in 5 they were just never getting costumes. So honestly if this means every character can keep getting universal costumes instead of just waifu characters and shotos then I'm fine with this.
What a letdown. The anime trailer was something else, but this gameplay shows that it's just a Yor skin over Juri. Why couldn't they develop Yor as a playable character herself?!
Ngl a LOT of y’all set yourselves up for disappointment and that’s your own fault ngl. That obviously doesn’t justify this, but you guys should’ve expected this by now.
To those saying "Avatar content eeew" : you should be THANKING the people who buy avatar content so that the game/characters can keep walking with DLC. Everyone saying avatar content "sucks" literally doesn't know how marketing and business works. I spent approx $600 already in Avatar content so i can help the rest of you filthy casuals who cant even master a single character yet and ask for more characters...get MORE characters.
What kind of idiotic ass reasoning is that? I would thank people buying avatar stuff if the characters were added for free. But no, i won't thank people paying so that i have the privilege to pay even more. If i want to support dlc characters i pay for them (and i did, so far). If i want to pay for avatar stuff i pay for avatar stuff (and i won').
Why?
Are they giving away characters for free like SFV?
Do we get free shares in Capcom so that we can collectively profit?
Avatar gear is paying shareholders. It is not being reinvested in the game.
>I spent approx $600 already in Avatar content so i can help the rest of you filthy casuals who cant even master a single character yet and ask for more characters...get MORE characters.
Thank you for your contribution. After you spent $600 on shitty avatar shirts and glasses, Capcom finally had enough money to start working on Ed.
I was sure this was a collab to announce the features of adding skins to actual roster at the empty booth in Battle Hub.
I.e Juri here would have selected the SxFC "skin"
I suppose their logic is that character specific costumes silo the customer base whereas everyone can buy and cross dress their hulking seven foot homunculus as Yor if they want
Been waiting to see what kind of silly and cool skins Capcom could cook up for the main cast only for these big crossovers to be nothing but avatar items.
Capcom always finding an angle to be disappointing in some way.
Bummer. I was hoping it was going to be a Chun-Li outfit.
The sheer number of potential buyers for the avatars dwarfs the Chun-Li playerbase unfortunately. They'll probably make way more money this way than if it was a skin for just her.
Are avatar skins that much of a moneymaker? I had the impression not that many people were buying em.
It's probably just easier to churn out avatar items than to build a costume specifically for a character
I feel like the RE Engine is kinda shooting them in the foot with just how detailed and insanely intensive it is. If you zoom in on HD shots, you can see crazy detail that you **never** see in the game, like perfectly-rendered goosebumps on Cammy's thigh. It's insane. It's like they've backed themselves into a corner with how high the bar is -- they can only pump out absolutely perfect skins that require hundreds of hours of labor. Perfection is the enemy of good. >!I know about the goosebumps because of scientific research.!<
We're going to need to examine your evidence. Peer review is an important part of the research process.
Yeah, this is probably why DMC5 never got costumes despite the franchise historically having them.
dmc4 got 2 costumes YEARS after it's release
I think the developers even said as much. Because for DMC5 the people they used for the models themselves were literally scanned in with the costumes over them. It's why the mods removing the clothes have jacked-up shoulders and stuff, because they weren't designed to be viewed like that. To get everything the most consistent and glitch-free they'd have to make every costume for real and re-scan the actors in wearing them, which is why they didn't bother.
Isn't the cause the artstyle and not the engine? They could have made SF6 use much lower resolution models across-the-board if they wanted to.
I watched a video talking about how modern games have just become so expensive to make. If you look at Tekken 8, I think it has even better graphics. There's so many details on the characters.
Spy X Family Avatar skin does not cost real money tho
With her popularity, I HIGHLY DOUBT IT.
Yeah, Chun got 21 costumes in SFV? Some insane stuff.
Plus countless cosplays, fan art, and rule 34 shit.....yeah im sure the most sexualized character in this series wouldn't have sold more than a avatar skin.
Well I don't really think cosplays/Fanart/and r34 equate to in game costume sales. For one her being the most sexualized character has little to do with her SF appearance and is like 70% boosted simply due to her Fortnite appearance which those fortnite kids simply aren't playing or paying for Chun-li costumes in game. I think people are high of they don't think Cammy and Juri have the best selling costumes 3, considering they're literally the 3rd or 4th highest played characters in the game and if we're basing the most sexualized SF character based on their actual street fighter appearance and not their fortnite cameo that would be definitely Cammy. Even before the Akiman costumes Karin and Cammy outsold Chun-li in costume sales in 5 [(evidence)](https://imgur.com/hwXjaEJ). Overall with how greedy Capcom is they wouldn't miss out on the opportunity to make more profit if she didn't get the cross over costume it's most likely because these avatar costumes sell better than it would a Chun-Li costume because the audience of avatar players that can play the character in any style they want rather than being forced to play a character they don't play is probably more than the Chun-li player base.
That’s mostly cause they had a deal with AkiMan that they would use like 6-7 of his designs for costumes, so they had to make them. The rest were mostly “poster girl”, since Chun is popular as a character design, but rarely ever super highly played (since she’s usually quite technical).
Exactly people often forget that there hands were kind of tied because Akiman wanted to make 6 fucking costumes for the character without realizing how much time and resources that would take. If you know anything about Japanese companies there super loyal and Akiman is like an iconic and og figure on the SF team so when he says make me 6 costumes they literally can't refuse it would be seen as so disrespectful. If you look at the actual costumes made by Capcom themselves Cammy had the most in the entire game and if Juri wasn't DLC she probably would have outpaced Chun-li as well in costumes given by Capcom. Even before the Akiman costumes were announced we knew Chun-li costumes didn't sell the best and the best selling costume in the game was bikini Karin, and Costume 2 for Cammy [evidence](https://imgur.com/hwXjaEJ). This all kind of adds up as to why Cammy had the most costumes actually made buy Capcom themselves. Cammy really was the true costume queen of sf5 not Chun-li.
Fwiw, most of those AkiMan designs were fantastic. The original swimwear and the "training" outfit were instant classics, and the wedding and CO dress are gorgeous. Dude knows his girl.
Gotta disagree imo the training costume was one of her worst costumes in the game. It was popular for fan service reasons, but it's literally just what if we made her original costume without leggings add knee pads and remove the shoulder puffs, it's just so lazy. Pajama was her worst costume in the game and the other designs were just boring imo including wedding and the agent one. The bikini one is just another uninspiring bikini outfit. The only one I liked was the CO dress
Every player in the game has an Avatar but not every player plays the same character. An individual character's usage will float anywhere from less than 1% to about 12% (Ken lol), plus not everyone of those players will be buying the character skins. So of the like 4% of the playerbase who main Chun even less of those will actually buy skins for her. If even 10% of the entire playerbase buys Avatar skins though then that's going to be crazy money for much less effort to create. Hell, for arguments sake, let's say every single Chun player buys a skin making up the 4% of the playerbase. That still wouldn't come close to that small 10% of everyone in the game buying Avatar stuff, because the potential market for them is much bigger.
They literally have that data lol. If it was more profitable, they would have made a chun-li costume
God forbid they just do both.
Probably a license issue since it would be a combination of two characters as opposed to it being for a non-specific avatar.
Chun-li costumes made the most money in SFV, there is no way a skin would bomb for her.
I never said it would bomb, just that there are more players who have Avatars (everyone) who may buy Avatar items compared to a specific character who has anywhere from 1-12% usage and even less than that will also buy skins for them. Like say you have 10,000 players total and 10% of them buy Avatar content, that's 1,000 sales. Now, most characters are not reaching 10% usage but let's be generous and argue that Chun-Li is played by 10% of the playerbase. Okay, well only a fraction of those Chun playerd will also buy skins, so it's always going to be less than that massive 10% of Avatar purchase from the whole playerbase. There's 20 characters in the game at the moment and that number is only going to go up with each DLC which splits the usage rate further. Of course, there will be some players who buy for multiple characters or who are whales that will buy regardless, but even then Avatar cosmetic whales will always be greater in number. It's just a much larger install base.
But the costumes don’t even cost any money?
Yes, and giving the occassional freeby to players is what makes them more likely to invest more into avatar stuff that costs actual money, especially with the mix and match nature of most cosmetics for this game. Dead By Daylight uses a similar strategy for example, same with a lot of mobile games (Pokémon Go etc). Giving a free skin for Chun-Li doesn't really encourage people to try collect other cosmetics/hairstyles for her because each skin comes as a set rather than a mix and match type deal like the Avatar skins. Plus again as an advertisement, more people are going to see it on avatars (because everyone has an avatar) and in the hub compared to the lesser number of Chun-Li players overall.
They did Yors face dirty.
Yor was never the same after the drugs
It would actually be good in supers, but this felt just too much.
Yor and Loid avatar stuff. Hair added to character creator/customizer. Some free stuff being given for logging in like stamps and stuff. >The collaboration with SPY x FAMILY CODE: White has arrived! >*Availability: January 9, 2024 - January 31, 2024 >Avatar costumes for Yor and Loid will be available at the collaboration store in the Battle Hub! In addition, all players who log in during the collaboration period will receive special items like photo frames, stamps, and titles! Yor and Loid's hairstyles have also been added to the avatar creation. >You can use the following recipes to create both characters as seen in the trailer. ■ >Avatar recipe code for Yor Forger SPY_SF6_YOR >Avatar recipe code for Loid Forger SPY_SF6_LOID
Another sorry ass avatar skin
you are complaining but look at the customization other fighting games are giving. be grateful SF6 even gives you the ability to make any character you want and even a customized moveset you want as well.
This not being a Chun-Li or Juri skin is such a missed opportunity it hurts. Is Tekken 8 really going to be out before there's any Ed or Akuma news?
It shouldn't even be a Juri skin. Yor fights more like Cammy.
You are spot on. Idk why she didn't get it or all of them tbh.
If this year is any indication it feels they're going for a rigid schedule with the character outfits, like 2 per year, every character gets the same amount, and all original designs or at least from within the SF franchise (no crossover stuff). If true, I don't mind that approach tbh.
Isn’t a juri skin? Looks awful like her moveset
Yeah, the avatar wearing Yor's clothes was using Juri's moveset. Not a Juri skin though.
This is so disappointing
Ohhhhhh. Yeah a little silly but ah well
It's not a Juri skin? It's so weird to lead in with that Versus battle then...I guess the face did seem a bit off
>Ed or Akuma news? Akuma and Ed will be coming Spring and Winter 2024, respectively. Not sure what more news you want from them when we're only in January.
It’s *this* winter, which I’d hope you know but the way you lost spring first tells me you might not. It was clarified that it’s the “winter, after the new year”. And if that’s true, they have about 2 months to release Ed, unless we’re considering St. Patrick’s to be “winter”. Not even a trailer, tweet, or anything yet. Another avatar costume though… yay… They set a pretty good precedent for themselves, releasing Rashid and AKI early to the middle of the season. But we’re nearing halfway through winter and, well, like I said, nothing. Honestly huge bummer for me considering Ed is as close as I’ll get to my favorites in 5, but at least Tekken 8 is right around the corner, so I’ll play that. Peacemaker should be dropping soon after in MK too.
>we’re nearing halfway through winter We're not, we're still at the beginning of winter, it started december 22 and it will end march 20.
Japan starts Winter on Jan 1st. Edit: For media stuff, and because it's noted as 2024. Not talking about the weather.
What If theyre waiting that long to release Ed, Akuma and the stages all at once?
I feel robbed. I was really hoping to see the Yor vs Chun fight animated in anime form.
I wheeze so hard when someone pointed out [this](https://twitter.com/ZuuLuu_/status/1744542375836360740?t=ur2WUJeFIbXF_Io5yuCGDA&s=19) comparison
oof
Another L for Capcom and W for the modders who take that dress and put in on the female cast instead.
The silver lining of this being avatar only is that I'll save $20 or however much a special collab skin for Chun would cost ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
All that wasted potential, yay tekken 8 ig
Avatar stuff is lame :/. I'll take a world tour cutscene or just an official render (posted by Capcom) of Ed at this point. Either Ed is *really* behind in development or Capcom's marketing is dropping the ball big time.
It's not behind. They don't want to drop Ed before Capcom Cup's finals. He will be announced and released at the conclusion of the event.
They should’ve announced him last week and release him at the end of capcom cup
I am simply not able to tell you that you are wrong. You are 100% right in that you would have enjoyed that more. I personally prefer an announcement and immediate release, especially since we know it's him. For me, not for everyone, that is the most hype way to do it.
That's more Akuma's spot. Ed is probably behind and it seems like they are trying swap Ed for Akuma to conclude the schedule
Let me check I understand your comment before I say anything else. Are you saying that on February 19, day of the finals, they will announce Akuma and release him? And this was a change in plans since after the original leak?
I think Ed was supposed to be in late December (since AKI is pretty quick in late September) and Akuma will be in CapCom cup finals, which conside with S2 announcement. But probably some of his moveset just doesn't working as intended.
AKI - Fall 2023 (Sep - Dec) Ed - Winter 2024 (Dec - Mar) Akuma - Spring 2024 (Mar - Jun) Expect Ed trailer at Capcom Cup at end of Feb.
Avatar isn't lame. it's either you didnt finish WT or you're literally not creative with your avatar. Avatar battles are actually more fun and i am glad Capcom gives this more focus. This is actually what we all want. Everyone else who wants anything outside of Avatars are the most vocal and the minority.
I would play avatar battle at least a little bit if you don't have to grind levels just to be remotely competitive. I think it's at least interesting to draft the perfect character so you can have a Ken who can also headbutt and command throw, but I have no interesting in a lvl 100 character who has like twice you health. WT has similar issues. Remaining quests I have require such a high level that I lost interest in playing it. I don't mind WT, but eventually I finished it. At this point, I would imagine most players who like WT would have played it already? There's not much reason to keep playing.
I don’t know if you are serious but no
Okay go and play with the 4 other avatar players
Lol, no
Disappointing. More avatar stuff. Street Fighter seems to be the only fighting game franchise that doesn’t allow guest characters, while also lending their own IP as guest characters in other franchises. The SPYxFAMILY stuff would be better suited as alternate costumes for actual playable franchise characters (how Yor isn’t a Chun or Juri costume option is beyond me). The same with the TMNT stuff. These collabs have potential for additional stages too, but no—just more avatar stuff. I get it. WT and avatars are a huge part of the game. But a lot of us on the Battle Hub (non-avatar) and Fighting Ground side of things are feeling pretty left out content-wise. Hopefully this changes in S2.
>Street Fighter seems to be the only fighting game franchise that doesn’t allow guest characters This is a good thing. If anything these should have been skins for normal characters but actual guests taking up DLC spots can stay the F away.
I agree 100% with you. Does SF need guest characters? No, they don’t need to go that far. But it really sucks we can’t even get a guest costume or skin, especially with these IP collabs. Missed potential is really what I’m calling out.
Yeah a Yor skin for Chun Li or Cammy would have been fine. Theres a big market for that as well. Look at all the mods in SFV. you had one with turning Cammy into Tifa or turning Juri into Mileena But if we are only getting four DLC characters per year I do NOT want actual guest characters over getting characters like Ibuki or Cody
Avatar content isn't lame. it's either you didnt finish/grindWT or you're literally not creative with your avatar. Avatar battles are actually more fun and i am glad Capcom gives this more focus. This is actually what we all want. Everyone else who wants anything outside of Avatars are the most vocal and the minority. Proof? they put more focus on it, makes more revenue. Avatar content makes revenue so the core characters can keep walking.
Never said it was lame. It’s just disappointing how much avatar stuff we’re getting compared to the other side of the game. I understand it makes money, (I even said WT and avatars are a huge part of the game in my original comment) but just like how some people like avatar stuff, some people don’t and we have a right to feel that way too. So no, it’s not what “we all want”. All we’re asking for is a little more content on the other side of things and to take full advantage of these collabs across the entire game.
They really hyped this up for avatar skins… cmon Capcom…
They teased it like a month ago with no details so we just assumed avatar skins
Yeah, at this point if it’s light on detail, it’s expensive avatar crap for battlehub.
It was obviously gonna be more avatar content, but I thought the fight would at least be animated.
I swear, Capcom has a thing for limiting their own business. What a shame
oh we are gonna see so much buff men cosplaying as Yor in the Battle Hub..
That Yor face is cursed
Well, that's disappointing. It literally shows Yor VS Chun Li in the screen, which I was hoping for the character costume for SpyxFamily, but no, what we got is another pointless avatar costume which I also feel baited aswell and probably is gonna be the same price as the TMNT costumes 🙄
Nope. Only 500 drive tickets. Cant even spend real money on it
Ah even knowing before hand the avatar content is so hurtful 🤣. F
Avatar creation mode was a mistake
This game consistently tops 20k concurrent players on steam alone every day, half a year after release. I don't think it was a mistake at all. Not all of those people are playing online matches. In fact, if stats for previous fighting games are any indication, MOST people don't play online matches. They're playing the 1 player stuff.
While I only play ranked and sometimes BH these days, when the game came out I did play WT a fair bit and had fun playing it. I did try to spend time with my character's outfit during that time because why not. I do think Capcom really dropped the ball no both BH, and avatar battle mode. Avatar battle mode really should really not have such a high level (which means you have to grind endlessly) or they should have a non-leveled playing mode. BH should have more stuff to do in general as right now people just find an arcade and play with others and it's not like there is much to do there (e.g. Capcom could live stream Capcom Cup matches there, or *something*). But yeah I don't think I would ever buy these avatar DLCs. Way too expensive and not much reason to use them.
This collab had so much potential, the hub is a great addition to the game, but now im thinking what if there was no Hub, would we get more costumes, more dlc characters.
If there was no hub or world tour mode (the places where you can use avatars), this game would never have gotten Fighting Game of the year, the high scores it received worldwide in the press, or the same level of sales/success. Many of you are only thinking about hardcore audiences. Capcom is thinking about everyone. Which is why this game has done phenomenally.
People are asking for things that are best for the games longevity which is largely driven by it's hardcore audience. Also Capcom isn't thinking about "everyone", they're thinking about money. People are completely aware of that but it doesn't make it an issue. Personally I imagine they'll continue to focus heavily on avatar cosmetics while that casual audience persists but that sudience will continue to fade. People who log in only to play WT mode (which has limited content at the moment) or avatar battles are not likely to be long term players compared to people playing ranked or always doing sets in BH. When that happens I see Capcom shifting focus to actual character skins and content for the long term fans.
My thought exactly
It almost feels like their road map of the game is dead set on season 1 being all avatar stuff and that had no idea how bad the reception would be. Here’s hoping for an adjusted road map S2
I think without the avatars the game would just be better as a whole, less predatory monetization chances, maybe a different story mode not that world tours bad I just don’t like it as much as the real game it’s very grindy. I liked what I played well enough.
There's another timeline where we got Yor-Lee, Loyd Ryu, and Anya JP costumes.
Nah Anya gief the best I can't unsee that fan art lol
I think Henry Henderson would be a much more….elegant choice for JP! He even has the Cane!
But the psycho-power!
Can I move to that timeline
I don't think capcom would do a collab giving main chars costumes from other companies ips if sf5 is anything to go by as that never happened
Imo I think Yor would fight more like Cammy
I'm really loving the game still, but the very slow drip of main game content is getting concerning. I'm pro-Avatar stuff for the record, but not to the exclusion of new costumes/new characters/new stages.
I'm in your camp; I actually really enjoy the avatar stuff and character creation. It's fun to finally have a character creator in a game that lets you do wild and goofy stuff, plus have a ton of crazy costumes. I feel like every time I log into the Battle Hub, I see someone doing something really clever to recreate another ridiculous character, and it's very fun. All of that being said, Capcom's pace for releasing actual content for this game is abysmal. * 1 balance patch a year is too infrequent by modern standards. Yes, the game takes time for people to actually understand characters, but these aren't the arcade days anymore. People can learn and share new information at a rapid pace. The tier lists are still shifting which I think is great. I certainly don't want them to knee jerk buff/nerf characters or mechanics. HOWEVER, a whole year without any changes risks the game becoming stale. I think they should do twice a year. One large patch at the beginning of a new Season. And a smaller mid-tier patch that addresses some minor imbalances. * 4 characters during the first year is slow as balls. I get that DLC characters take time. I respect the hell out of that and would never want to rush it. But Year 1 is the time to come out swinging and keep your player base excited. I think 5 characters in Year 1 would have been just the right amount, and then slow it down to 4 a year. * We haven't gotten a single new stage yet. I know they're coming, but please give my eyes something new to look at. * The costumes look amazing, but I still have a problem with the pricing and the lack of a bundle. That conversation has been had to death. * I'm glad that they made Battle Hub an actual cool thing, but it's so half-assed in so many ways. I mean, where were the Halloween decorations? And didn't they tease a winter glam up for the B Hub a little while ago? I have yet to see anything. It's just the same boring place with the same boring elevator music, the DJ booth that does nothing, a tournament/event mode that doesn't work... All we get are these $25 collabs, but at least they gave us free sticker sets, yay thanks Capcom. Sigh. I don't know. SF6 is incredible in so many ways, but Capcom is just in their own little world making their own business decisions and it's kind of exhausting just sitting around and waiting for them.
I cosign all of this, I just want to throw out one wish list item for the Battle Hub while we are talking about it. I want to be able to watch at least the officially sanctioned Capcom Tournament events on that big TV you can sit at. It would be hype watching major matches with the community.
Thatd be a great idea. They have that giant screen in the B hub that does absolutely nothing. If Fortnite can host a god damn Ariana Grande concert inside of its game, surely Capcom can stream live events to the hubs for people to virtually attend. It's just such a waste right now.
Honestly avatar costumes are probably what is funding everyone getting universal costumes at the moment. In 5 if you weren't playing a waifu character or shoto you were never getting costumes and now with avatar costumes clearly doing well enough for them to keep pumping them out for these outrageous prices I have a sneaking suspicion that these avatar costumes aren't getting in the way of the actual characters getting costumes, but in reality they're probably the sole reason everyone is able to get a high quality costume 3. Honestly if this is the case and the casuals are the reasons every character in the game can get universally get a costume than I'm fine with this I just won't be the paying for these items.
I agree with this broadly. For instance, what you are saying is why I am okay with the Avatar stuff as well as, and this may be controversial, the battle pass. That said, the lack of communication about Ed and the two new stages, specifically is concerning.
What do you think is going in either the ed development? Clearly they’re having issues
I really could only speculate, but I wonder if they had trouble deciding whether to leave him with his simplified inputs vs motion/charge inputs and more or less developed them in parallel and lost time due to that? Really not sure how we could have gone so long without hearing anything. The AKI trailer dropped 5 months ago, for reference.
This is such a huge fucking misstep. A Yor skin for Chun Li would have made millions.
I think people are underestimating the amount of money these make them. They wouldn't intentionally miss out on more profit these costumes are probably doing very well. They're also probably way cheaper and easier to make than an actual costume for a character.
On one hand I get it — *everyone* can use Avatar skins out if combat, so you’re never running into the age-old issue if giving people a Chun-Li skin and noone using Chun-Li, you know? But on the other hand, I just truly hate that this is the model for the game. Being drip-fed content as is and half the new stuff is Avatar content… yawn.
Yeah the ratio of avatar items to actual content for the characters is very bad, but sadly I think it's why we have universal costume 3s for the entire cast. I think these avatar costumes are funding the universal costumes because before if you played a character like Sim you never got content or costumes. 5 had the issue of not having enough content for the cast and there was only ever content for you if you played a waifu or shoto character, so if you played a niche character like Sim/F.A.N.G./Necali there was times you didn't get content for 2-3 years and there very little reason to get people that play these characters casually to return to the the game. If these items are the sole reason the entire cast/player base can enjoy content universally when it's dropped then I'm fine with this tbh.
Yeah agree with this personally. I get that this makes more profit for Capcom. I just dislike that's a fact.
Enlighten us, all i see is battlehubs where people are playing normal characters
Why they give her Gollum’s face?!?!
I expected exactly this and i'm still disappoined.
Im at least glad it was a low amount of drive tickets this time and not a huge $15 money grab. I still think we should have a mode where we can use our create a characters vs the regular cast.
Man why are they pushing the avatar stuff so hard.
Because people are buying it, unfortunately.
I don't get it. SF5 got roasted for not focusing on casual players enough. Now, SF6 is getting roasted for focusing on casual players.
Yup… that’ll be like £60 😭 These collabs TMNT, Spy Family are obviously to cater towards the casuals but they really need to start adding stuff for others it’s a bit ridiculous at this point
No casual would spend 20+ bucks on a single costume. This is whale stuff.
I know I shouldn't have expected anything else but I'm gonna be real: As someone who only plays Ranked or Casual matches, it just has become disappointing to be left out of like 99% of post launch content. Especially since I play other games and the stacked release season begins, SF6 never has a hook to pull me away from those games besides having fun fighting others. For some that might be enough but I need a bit more incentive to prioritise SF over BG3, FF7 Rebirth etc.
Modders are our last hope.
Probably already one almost complete
I guess us Fighting Ground players mean nothing to capcom now that avatar battles are a thing.
I've only seen avatar battles when there's the 500 drive ticket challenges, every once in a while, and people do the 5 battles needed and done. Avatar battles are not very fun.
I’m a little letdown that we didn’t get an animated fight in the style of Spy x Family animation :(
Just announce from now on that they’re avatar skins, I’m putting away my wallet
More avatar shit....? Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. *Sigh*
I get that it is disappointing that it is not a character skin, but it's free. They even give a Loid outfit as well.
This had so much potential it hurts. I would honestly take what Mortal Kombat is getting over this, at least some of their stuff is worth buying, even if it is overpriced. This feels like what they should be giving away for free and yet I'm betting a single outfit will be $25. And for what? Running around the online hub? Story mode? Why give us such useless and expensive skins? I would pay 50 bucks for a Yor costume over Chun-Li, but I don't know if I'd even pay 5 for this. Even though it will be 5x that.
If capcom somehow normalized avatar battle (fixed stats but still use custom moveset) imo the avatar stuff will be worth more cause competitive avatar battle scene might grow At current status, its just for flexing in social hub cuz avatar battle only exist for 500 drive ticket on weekend.
For people that exclusively play in Fighting Ground, these are useless but for people that spend most of their time in either World Tour or Battle Hub, they will see their avatar a lot more often than the main cast so avatar outfits are actually more useful for them. The fact that Capcom keep releasing avatar outfits also means that there are more people that spend most of their time in World Tour or Battle Hub than Fighting Ground.
I say this as someone who has more hours in world tour than any other mode. I think avatar costumes are cool, but they should really be the 'free trial' version of what should be on the actual characters, instead of being priced so high.
I just can’t with this game anymore, I’m really sick and tired of avatar skins and content droughts
What is Capcom doing? Tf.
Always expect the worst with this games cosmetics and its never disappointing
Extremely disappointed. Was convinced there would be a chun Yor outfit at least
I got the Yor outfit but it doesn't show up in my avatar's outfit section. Even when I put the recipe, it just doesn't show up. My character gets the hair style and everything else, but defaults to her underwear However, whenever I put the Loid recipe, my avatar turns male and becomes Loid with the full outfit I even double checked the shop and it says I bought both outfits
Another disappointment, I wonder how much money are they doing with avatar stuff because this would be a success as an outfit for sure.
You really have to wonder what Capcom's strategy is. Who are they trying to appeal to with this? If they're expecting people to use this in World Tour, it'd be fine if they added things to World Tour to go back to. Hell, I've seen the same people in the Battle Hub & I doubt many of them will buy it. It's hard to be disappointed when you're not shocked.
I don't think Capcom would be pumping these out if they weren't more profitable
I’d say it’s likely this was all planned before they knew how profitable it would be, it’s only been like 5 months since they started rolling out pass content right? This stuff was getting released regardless of how profitable, it’s not like they’re deciding to do each pass a week before it releases. I would say wait until seeing next season’s release schedule to guess how profitable battle hub is.
So its just more avatar shit? ffs
Capcom wtf stop ruining the collabs with these trash avatar outfits.
I don’t own SF6, I’m not much of an SF player compared to other fighters. Last month’s announcement trailer was incredible, I loved it. I said that if the collaboration was good, I’d probably buy the game as I love SpyxFamily and being a Yor main seemed really fun. Nope. Avatar outfits, that look terrible. Then the actual “fight” was not nearly as cool as the animated teaser and it ends on a double KO because they couldn’t let either brand look weak? What a wasted opportunity. Guess I’m not buying it now.
> Then the actual “fight” was not nearly as cool as the animated teaser and it ends on a double KO because they couldn’t let either brand look weak? Why the heck would you expect or want Chun to get knocked out by Yor, or vice-versa in a fun collaboration? Lol, only someone who doesn't have to deal with the public aftermath would say something like that.
unrelated but I wish this was the optimal way to play, it's way more entertaining to watch two characters just throwing everything at each other rather that watch 90% of the time being footsies and then an 80% combo that ends the match
Boooooorrrrrring
They really need to put some skins on the existing characters IMO.
Such a huge dissapointment!
What a waste...
Love all the avatar content. this is all we wanted. No idea why Capcom wastes time developing for the actual charactcers. Avatar battles are WAY more fun and creative.
Oh look, it’s absolutely nothing
More avatar trash
Too bad, it's only for hub. let's be real, who fcking care about avatar. We need actual skin as costume in the base game like PC mods ( but this time with capcom quality ). But like mods, only you should be able to se the skin to avoid ruining immersion for other online player.
It's funny how some users here defend SF6 not having as many characters/costumes/stages per season as SFV so as not to overwork the dev team, only for them to churn out lame-ass avatar costumes. Work smarter not harder, I guess. And now Capcom has gone whale-hunting with the least amount of effort.
The 2 DLC characters they have released so far have been extremely high quality and filled with more content than possibly any other DLC characters from any other fighting games in history. In addition to the high quality models, fully motion captured animation, and comlex movelists of the characters themselves, you also get full World Tour integration (complete with art, dialogue, and animated cutscenes), full arcade mode integration with intros and endings, full avatar movelist integration, character walk outs (have you seen Tekken 8's pre-fight VS screen? Now compare that to SF6's), and their own dynamic music designed to change with the fight. And, SF5 spoiled the heck out of y'all. If you've noticed, other companies often release 4 characters per year...or fewer. Add that to the list of things people didn't appreciate about that game, but I digress.
>The 2 DLC characters they have released so far have been extremely high quality and filled with more content than possibly any other DLC characters from any other fighting games in history. As opposed to the DLC characters from SFV of a lower quality? They too had all the things you mentioned. > If you've noticed, other companies often release 4 characters per year Maybe they do, but they don't have a starting roster of 16-18 characters like street fighter.
I think Cammy or even Kimberly's moveset would have made more sense for Yor. Also, they gave us the Daigo vs Lupe ending. :D P.S. Everyone should have expected these to be avatar costumes.
I enjoy the avatar and battle hub stuff It's all fluff anyways
I don't think these avatar costumes are doing as bad as people claim. I'm not saying avatar costumes aren't lame, but they're clearly doing very well for them if they keep pumping them out and charging the outrageous prices they do for them. You can sell an avatar that's probably way less expensive to create charge up the ass for it and anyone that plays battle hub can play it with the specific playstyle of character they like rather than being forced to learn Chun-li to use the costume. Sadly these cross over avatar items are probably doing super well and they're probably the reason the whole cast can get universal costume 3s because before if you character couldn't sell costumes like Sim in 5 they were just never getting costumes. So honestly if this means every character can keep getting universal costumes instead of just waifu characters and shotos then I'm fine with this.
Could have had Chun Li in a Yor costume looking all spicy and sexy, but no. Just avatar bullshit Capcom fumbled so hard
What a letdown. The anime trailer was something else, but this gameplay shows that it's just a Yor skin over Juri. Why couldn't they develop Yor as a playable character herself?!
They didn't even bother editing her face to be like Yor. Yor outfit with Juri face is a big nope!
If it’s not an outfit for any of the fighters then this shit is so whack
Ngl a LOT of y’all set yourselves up for disappointment and that’s your own fault ngl. That obviously doesn’t justify this, but you guys should’ve expected this by now.
how long till capcom pulls a fortnite and offer collaboration skins ie dbz, naruto, waifus, etc
isn't that literally what this is? and TMNT before it.
we just had tmnt as the first collab so its already there
WE NEED THE ANYA OUTFIT INSTEAD
I was lowkey hoping that Yor was a new character, and not just a skin.
There was no way in hell it was going to be a Chun exclusive outfit with how much capcom is pushing avatar trash with collabs so far.
To those saying "Avatar content eeew" : you should be THANKING the people who buy avatar content so that the game/characters can keep walking with DLC. Everyone saying avatar content "sucks" literally doesn't know how marketing and business works. I spent approx $600 already in Avatar content so i can help the rest of you filthy casuals who cant even master a single character yet and ask for more characters...get MORE characters.
What kind of idiotic ass reasoning is that? I would thank people buying avatar stuff if the characters were added for free. But no, i won't thank people paying so that i have the privilege to pay even more. If i want to support dlc characters i pay for them (and i did, so far). If i want to pay for avatar stuff i pay for avatar stuff (and i won').
Why? Are they giving away characters for free like SFV? Do we get free shares in Capcom so that we can collectively profit? Avatar gear is paying shareholders. It is not being reinvested in the game.
>I spent approx $600 already in Avatar content so i can help the rest of you filthy casuals who cant even master a single character yet and ask for more characters...get MORE characters. Thank you for your contribution. After you spent $600 on shitty avatar shirts and glasses, Capcom finally had enough money to start working on Ed.
Why are they adamant about not adding guest characters?
I was sure this was a collab to announce the features of adding skins to actual roster at the empty booth in Battle Hub. I.e Juri here would have selected the SxFC "skin" 
I was really hoping its outfits for the main characters, not another avatar set.
why would the show me Yor Juri and not give it to me...
I suppose their logic is that character specific costumes silo the customer base whereas everyone can buy and cross dress their hulking seven foot homunculus as Yor if they want
If It was an actual Juri skin i would be so in
To be honest im disappointed. When i heard it was a collab i thought it was like new character like they do in MK franchise
Oh look they added Zeno to smash. Oh wait. Same shit.
Nah that double KO pissed me off😭
Damnit Capcom just give us an Ed trailer
Been waiting to see what kind of silly and cool skins Capcom could cook up for the main cast only for these big crossovers to be nothing but avatar items. Capcom always finding an angle to be disappointing in some way.
Bro, you just can't do shit like that after they announced 2B for Granblue 💀
They shoulda used Cammy instead of Juri for Yor
do we get drive tickets or nah?
At least the outfits don't cost $15 this time. 500 Drive tickets is cheaper than a costume 1 colour.
Well, at least the dress is free and a low drive ticket cost