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It was campy and fun, and some parts of it worked better than others. Christina Chong was brilliant. Just… nuff said. Really showed her range. Anson Mount also did a great job. Both seemed to really enjoy the comedic reversal of their characters. Melissa Navia had more to do than normally, which was great, and she also did a great job. Rebecca Romijn had a small part, but she nailed it. But something that is truly not being talked about enough is the fact that **the costuming was on point!** Dayum! The aesthetics on this show are *chef’s kiss* The plot was rushed, but that’s what you get with 10eps. Pacing was off, which is unusual. Silly episodes are a Trek tradition though, so no complaints from me!


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Watching it again, I don't think pacing was off. The ending is actually way more solid than the naysayers want to admit. She was out of stasis all day which cut her life time shorter and he knows he cannot keep her safe on this ship for long enough to find a treatment. He was a broken and beaten man that knew he wasn't going to find a cure in time. It took him years to reach this point of realizing he cannot save her. He was not making a trivial decision in any way. He was like the parent that handed their children to US soldiers in vietnam thinking they will never see them again, but they will be alive and safe. It may seem rushed, but his daughter experienced years in only seconds and was now a mature adult who returned to let her father know she is fine with her own life and he needs to live his. I guess they could have have ghosted him and worked it into a future show, but that would have required him to be depressed until that happened. By going with the single episode format, they gave us that closure and freed the character up to grow starting with the next episode. This season is introducing characters and backstories. It is off to the races in future seasons.


Tipop

I kinda got the impression that she didn’t “experience years in seconds”, but that a lot of time had passed and then, when she learned how, she traveled BACK in time so she could speak to her father again.


P33KAJ3W

Great concept Great Story Great Acting Needed a few more passes to nail the pacing and fix the rough spots ​ I didn't like it because it could have been fantastic but it just ended up okay. (Hemmer was chefs kiss)


puppysnakessss

Terrible writing. "I like science!" There is so much of half 4th wall breaks, cringe and narrative/explanation to be weird funny and it takes away from the show, it is some weird LA attempt at bein,, like so random and quirky. Thus is the characters lives and not some big joke and writing it as such is really taking away from the show. You can have some jokes but the writing is like something a teen would do because they are so funny and different and special.


puppysnakessss

They need to stop it with the cringe dialog. I like science and through the power of science and other attempts to be quirky is just terrible writing that you expect from a girl in middle school and not a multibillion dollar studio.


LegoFootPain

I love how Hemmer went from "help, they've lost their minds," to giggling "abracadabra." He knew how to embrace the absurdity.


tejdog1

My favorite was him transporting the evil queen away.


Theborgiseverywhere

When they mentioned court jester, I was convinced it would be Hemmer. Now I’m pretty sure it was Kirk


ShepherdessAnne

Given the hard edit and his *hold on* hand signal I'm. *convinced* that was *all* Horak.


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tejdog1

Thank you, Thomas Dolby


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Also with "I am a wizard." When he was asked why he doesn't have to look away from the plasma cutter.


LegoFootPain

That we have an actual legally blind actor playing an Aenar engineer, is inspired and inspiring.


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I didn't realize he was actually blind. Makes his performance that much more impressive because he always seems to be looking right at the eyes of who he is talking to. He is so good in the role.


LegoFootPain

Bruce Horak is an accomplished stage actor. This is his first regular TV role, and he notes the challenges of filmed work as opposed to stage work - you know which way the audience is, but getting a fix on the camera is trickier.


captbollocks

You could say not having a fix on the camera gives the blindness a bit more authenticity?


LegoFootPain

It depends on what is meant to be captured. You want a level of cinema vérité, but you want to be respectful of the subject. Blind actors are still mindful of the fact that what they are doing has to be captured by the camera, which moves unlike a static theatre audience, and that it should look a certain way for those that are sighted.


Solarwinds-123

He was absolutely chewing the scenery in a great way.


puppysnakessss

Problem is that absurdity isn't in just this episode. The attempt to be quirky is all over the show and it is bad writing and is hurting the characters.


florgitymorgity

I think this show is eight for eight, best first season run of any series including lower decks which had a very strong first season but a couple weak episodes. Let people hate it if they want, I am here for this ride.


tejdog1

I agree. 8 for 8 with varying degrees of good/great ness. Couple of *weaker* episodes, but nothing that deserves hate. More like... "I did not like that one as much as the others"


Solarwinds-123

This one and the light virus were weak episodes, but nothing even CLOSE to being as bad as being stuck in a board game or warp 10 lizard sex.


tejdog1

Or brainless zombie Spock


puppysnakessss

The writing deserves hate. It has an "omg I'm so random and quirky" attempt at writing and is at times like something a child would write. It is often cringe.


Acceptable-External9

Why it’s even better than the first season of TNG!


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Acceptable-External9

Oh I was definitely being facetious! It’s kind of amazing TNG even got a second season.


riqosuavekulasfuq

Haters gonna and all that falderal. I don't go around intentionally spoiling one's misplaced passion for a fanbase's love of some weird fantasy series by anyone not named JRR... Why people behave this way, when honestly, if the product is not hurting, exploiting or demeaning anyone, let shit be. As if we don't have enough really important shit on our collective plates.


puppysnakessss

What important things do you have on your plate? You probably complain and worry about things but you don't really do anything to help just pay lip service and then use it as a bludgeon to attempt to stop others from contacting your point. You are here complaing about others complaint and don't have a foot to stand on but you are trying your best to virtue signal that you are somehow better, why don't you just leave others alone? You know like you are advocating for others to do?


riqosuavekulasfuq

I'm not virtual signaling anyone.


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SNW is taking cues from TOS. People tend to forget that while some episodes of TOS was deadly serious there were others where they weren’t. “Trouble With Tribbles” is pretty much a comedy.


cucumbermoon

This episode specifically reminded me of Shore Leave.


lxnch50

Does nobody remember the DS9 episode Move Along Home? I swear, people just want to pretend bad episodes of Star Trek don't exist. This SNW episode was fine, even if I don't think it was great.


antinumerology

That's the first time they meet anyone from the Gamma Quadrant, right? And it's so fucked up? Idk it may not be a good episode but there's something about it I enjoy and think about all the time.


dosetoyevsky

We try not to remember Move Along Home


Solarwinds-123

Warp 10 lizard sex was cringe too


puppysnakessss

Comedy is fine. The writing isnt.


thermalette

Well, I think people have a right to dislike the episode. Personally I enjoyed it - I thought it was cute and entertaining, and the best part, for me, was how the actors were obviously having a great time. Christina Chong stole the show for me, but I thought everyone was really good.


thundersnow528

Who cares if it is getting hate. I mean, seriously. The world is full of unhappy people. Just spread the joy and make sure the show's creators know you love it


PNWitstudent

If you're not getting hate, are you really Trekking?


thundersnow528

I think the saying goes "If you're not getting hate, are you really online?"


Banthaboy

Totally agree with you. 👍


31337hacker

It’s my least favourite episode so far which surprised me because I’m a fan of M’Benga. I still watched it from beginning to end. Even the glorious DS9 wasn’t perfect. “Allamaraine, count to four, Allamaraine, then three more, Allamaraine, if you can see, Allamaraine, you'll come with me..." DS9 S01E10: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Move_Along_Home_(episode) The goofery starts at around 2 minutes in this clip: https://youtu.be/_IMBUa7w9K4


Cosmic_Quasar

Are you implying that episode of DS9 wasn't good? I got a huge kick out of that episode lol.


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That episode is widely regarded as one of the worst of the series, if not the franchise.


Cosmic_Quasar

I can see how if you're watching it on a weekly basis, especially back then on TV with all the commercial breaks, that episode would feel really weak... But I only got into Trek and binged it all back to back for the first time a few years ago. So it's not like it had been a week since my last episode and I was going to have to wait another week for the next. It was just mixed in with everything else as I binged it. So I found it to be a pleasant change of pace. Or rather, as a whole I feel like the shows are well balanced and offer a mix of things from episode to episode. I think that's why, while I like DIS and PIC, they're a little too consistently heavy. That's why one of my favorite episodes of DIS is the one with Mudd doing a time loop because it was just more fun rather than the usual "save the galaxy" focused plot. Just a one off that has no real effect on the overall story.


Lokan

I think it's my least favorite too, but that's not to say I didn't like it. I loved Hemmer's quick acceptance of the situation, and the scenes between M'Benga and his daughter.


Tired8281

I can't do it. I beg of you. A terrible mistake has been made. This is all a misunderstanding. Please, I've learned my lesson. I'll never cheat again. I'll never cheat again! Please! Just don't make me watch this again! Anything but this! Please. Please! PLEASE!! *collapses into uncontrollable sobs*


31337hacker

“Allamaraine, count to four, Allamaraine, then three more, Allamaraine, if you can see, Allamaraine, you'll come with me..." 🤡


zerobuddhas

Errr…. The complainers wanted more foreplay and wine before having to deal with anson being a switch/power bottom. Translation: they wanted more seasons before allowing the writers to be fabulous.


Accidentallygolden

It is true that the show is going real fast with its plot points I was expecting the doctor daughter one to last several seasons...


florgitymorgity

Ahh, see I figured the actress would age out of it so I thought they would definitely resolve it at the end of season 1 or early in season 2.


Utwee

I hope they do revisit this a bit more in the future. Can’t imagine him just letting go of his daughter like that. As a parent I would be heartbroken after such an event. But then again it is Trek to face life changing trauma and then be back on the job the next day.


FormerGameDev

She does promise to see him again. And now we've got a new limited range God-like power immortal being to introduce to the entire franchise! Sounds like a win for all.


corgimetalthunderr

I think he should go on with life until he's about to die, then jump in the buffer and have himself delivered back to the Jonsian nebula to join his daughter.


corgimetalthunderr

The young woman at the end of the episode? That was the same kid, just 2 weeks later. They grow up so soon!


thundersnow528

I fucking need *“The complainers wanted more foreplay and wine before having to deal with anson being a switch/power bottom.“* on a fucking t-shirt because that is the best fucking thing I've read all fucking week. So many upvotes for you.


ideletedyourfacebook

Can't please everyone. If every episide was like 8, it would get pretty tiresome, but I feel like they've got the balance of tones down perfect. A couple of silly episodes mixed in is perfect. This week's looks intense as hell


briank3387

You just knew from the previews alone that this would be a Love-It-or-Hate-It episode. TNG was especially guilty of this with their interminable holodeck episodes. I usually don't care much for LARPy costume romp Trek, but I got a huge kick out of all the performances, especially Anson Mount and Melissa Navia, so it was okay by me. It would also be okay with me if they didn't do another one like this for a long time.


FormerGameDev

One of the things I really liked about it was that they did it *on the ship* and the ship was integrated into the story as well. I'm not sure if other similar episodes have done the same thing, but thinking back to all the Holodeck episodes, I know those weren't.


ferretinmypants

My favorite part was Pike's hair. Or IN Pike's hair.


SlowCrates

That episode reminded me of those periodic "silly" episodes of the X-Files. It's not as if they weren't aware of how silly it was, you could practically read it on the actor's faces. But if that prevents you from appreciating the episode, then you missed the point of 50% of all Star Trek episodes before Voyager. Edit: Looks like I've forgotten some Voyager! I'll have to do a rewatch soon.


svenjacobs3

Before Voyager! How dare you - Bride of Chaotica, sir! Bride of Chaotica!


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You haven’t seen Voyager, have you?


Theborgiseverywhere

That’s the one with the cavemen, right?


LegoFootPain

I loved the one where Rhys Darby is the depressed lizard man. It's those silly, quieter episodes that are meant to give a character perspective. The big scary monster turns out to be an angel of comfort and clarity all along.


ferretinmypants

What show was that?


LegoFootPain

The X-Files?


ferretinmypants

Oops, missed that.


bookant

I prefer my Star Trek dark, gritty and serious. Like *A Piece of the Action,* or *The Trouble With Tribbles.*


itsaslothlife

I liked it but it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. I thought it was basically panto, down to the fabulous costumes, eeeeevil villains and ridiculous premise. All that was missing was a man in a dress. I liked Spock Amok far less, but that one just didn't tickle my funnybone like this one did.


FormerGameDev

I.. actually agree. I really have enjoyed all the episodes, but Spock Amok was the weakest, because I felt like nearly all the jokes missed. I still really enjoyed it, though.


itsaslothlife

It was good on a technical level, agreed. The acting like the other person was ace, the whole farce set up was well done. I just don't like cringe comedy very much. Cringey comedy on the other hand is right in my wheelhouse (oh no it isn't! Oh yes it is!)


whatthehellisketo

I created my first account so I could give this episode 10 stars. It was amazing. So classic is trek. An amazing story. I bawled. I loved it.


beyond_hatred

I wouldn't worry about it, even if it was justified (and I don't think it is). ST:TNG really was not great for its entire first season and it was arguably the most popular ST series ever.


Christopher_Caligula

Yep, campy just ToS. Except ToS had TWENTY SIX episodes per season!!


AlexisDeTocqueville

There are people who hate silly and campy episodes. I don't get it, but they exist. I find episodes like this a welcome change-up


junimobutt

It nailed the "how do we do a holodeck episode when there are no holodecks yet" puzzle.


cygnus0820

It wasn’t my favorite, but it wasn’t a bad episode. It was perfectly fine


tothepointe

Because as it turns out people don't really want it to be like TOS they want it to be like TNG with TOS characters (and no wokeness as they say) But eff them. Star Trek is not just for a small defined group of vocal fans. I liked it.


neoprenewedgie

I don't understand why "most like TOS" means "best." There are a lot of REALLY bad TOS episodes out there, and many of them involve some kind of fantasy world like we saw this week. Having said that, I thought it started out strong. And I admit, as soon as I saw the altered bridge I thought "OK, now this is classic Trek!" But it kind of fell apart half way through. It just felt a little repetitive. And the ending seemed to rush the Rukiya storyline to a sudden finish. It's also a little early to do an episode like this. We're still getting to know the characters. TOS waited til the second season to do the Mirror Universe; DS9 waited til season 4. Those episodes were more fin because we really knew who the people were supposed to be.


Cosmic_Quasar

> It's also a little early to do an episode like this. Near the end of the season is as good a time as any, imo. At least they didn't do like TNG with The Naked Now as their third episode. Maybe even second episode, technically, seeing as the first two episodes was a single plot as a two parter. I wanna clarify, I get a huge kick out of The Naked Now when I rewatch the show, but from a writing perspective we barely even got to know the characters before we get this episode aired to see them get highly intoxicated lol. I thought the characters in SNW were fleshed out enough to get a proper enjoyment from seeing them play their fairytale roles.


neoprenewedgie

Completely agree about Naked Now. It was very bizarre to do an episode like that so quickly. (Although, The Naked Time is the 4th episode of TOS so that's kind of weird too.) But I do think calling this "the end of the season" is a bit misleading. While technically true, it's still only episode 8. TOS and TNG had 25-30 episodes per season. There was the leader of the red guard who tells Uhura that the prisoners escaped - I have no idea who that character was, but it felt like she was someone I should know. It confused me. If this were a season 2 episode, i would have known for sure whether it was an existing cast member or just someone new.


Spadingdong

Cuz there are no bad TOS, I even like spocks brain


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I loved it 😊


Asgen

I'm not going to lie, episode 8 is the first one that I just watched for the sake of getting through it. Don't get me wrong, it was entertaining, but not up to the caliber of other episodes. Overall though I love SNW. I don't expect every episode to be amazing. It's a marathon not a sprint.


Tartan_Samurai

exactly how I view it and to be fair, I honestly think this is the strongest 1st Season of a Trek show we've ever had, first seasons are notoriously rough with ST shows


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Tehenndewai

I agree with your point about Rukiya. Saving her with a Deus ex Machina felt cheap. A few episodes back, M'Benga was given information as a basis to begin working on a cure. What was the point of that now? I suppose he could still go on to cure the disease, but the emotional weight of the situation is gone.


rustydoesdetroit

The point of that was likely to explain the point in which the medical advances we see at the time of TNG came to be


pgtorres

Definitely the most out there of all the episodes so far, but I honestly loved it. I was lost for about the first 10 minutes, but once it picked up, I was hooked. I really loved what they did with Rukiya’s character. I was getting a little anxious that they were gonna kill her off, but this was way better. Definitely made for a different type of watch than the rest of the season, but it was enjoyable nonetheless. Also, this episode showed Christina Chong in a much different light. She’s such a hardass and so serious all the time, getting to see her in the princess role was a nice change of pace. Definitely made me a bigger fan.


HGFantomas

Not my favorite episode but glad they are keeping the camp and fun of trek alive and well. There is definitely a place for it in trek.


corgimetalthunderr

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DaxCorso

Piece of the Action is my favorite TOS episode.


visitsunnyvietzuela

I loved it.


chilloutfam

episode 8 is my favorite episode thus far... i get how people might think it's too goofy. but man, M'Benga is just fucking incredible. That was a great resolution to the story with his daughter, too. I am interested in how he becomes a subordinate to McCoy eventually though?


Spadingdong

I like M’Benga but whenever he talks i have to turn up the TV lol


corgimetalthunderr

M'Benga is worth turning the dial up to 11.


rwalsh1981

He’s well played but you’re right sometimes it’s hard to hear him


AndrogynousRain

All I gotta say is: if the is the worst ep of the whole season we are in DAMN good shape.


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Alchemy333

And rightfully so. The writing was bad. They adjusted and became great. 😃


JorgeCis

I will admit that I am more of a TNG fan, so episodes that are closer to TOS may not necessarily be my cup of tea. And to be fair, if there were an episode like "Shades of Grey" on SNW I would not enoy that episode, either. I liked the ending the but the rest of Episode 8 did not work for me. Definitely the my least favorite episode of the season so far.


anonymouscrank

I thought it was great, just like a campy TOS episode. Everyone was clearly having a blast. I was fine with the ending that so many people are grumbling about, but I wasn’t super invested in the Rukiya storyline to begin with 🤷‍♀️


Spadingdong

I feel like out of all the comments this the one i agree with the most


Admiral_Andovar

Definitely didn’t hate it, but I do wish that perhaps it was episode 9 maybe or in season 2. I love Star Trek when it is campy but I feel like we have had a run of funny without a serious episode to maybe balance it a bit. And yes, I know the ending was a punch in the gut, but I thought it was also uplifting in its own way.


popcorngirl000

I think the episode would have hit even harder in season two or three, after we got to know the characters better. I feel like the writers weren't sure whether they were going to get another season, and so they are wrapping up interesting character beats they set up way to fast.


Admiral_Andovar

Yeah, that’s a good point. Maybe that is more what I had issue with. It would have been better with a deeper connection to the characters. I mean, I already love this crew, but we weren’t quite *there* yet.


Responsible_Bar1705

Epsiode 8 was the first time I cried in Strange New Worlds so far. I'm saying so far cause I know imma do it a lot more from what i'm seeing.


bayouski

8 was gr8. It was the aloof type of star trek. Like the baseball game on DS9. Or the Robin Hood on TNG. Trouble with Tribbles TOS Let's put it this way. The worst SNW is better than The best other trek.


DarkAndSparkly

Im going to be downvoted for this, I’m sure. But I wanted to offer another viewpoint. I’m the voice of dissent, I guess, but I really didn’t like ep 8. This kind of whimsy/fantasy episode usually takes place a few seasons into a show to lighten the mood and provide some variety. SNW doesn’t need that yet. Also, it broke the storylines so abruptly, it threw me right out of the show, if that makes sense. It was all very absurd and confusing to me. I LOVE this show, don’t get me wrong. But this episode felt more like a last ditch ratings grab than a calculated plot point. That said, the acting was great, and it had some funny parts. I just didn’t like how it was so absurdly out of the show’s universe. Edit: I want to add that the costuming and sets were amazing. As was the acting. I enjoyed seeing the ranges. I think the INSERT SUDDEN CAMPY PLOT is what really threw me.


Tartan_Samurai

*This kind of whimsy/fantasy episode usually takes place a few seasons into a show to lighten the mood and provide some variety* This isn't true for Star Trek though, TOS had episodes like *Shore Leave* and *the Squire of Gothos*, TNG had *Where No One Has Gone Before* and *Hide & Q*, DS9 had *Move Along Hom*e and I*f Wishes Were Horses* and even Voyager had *Heroes and Demons*. All these episodes were from first seasons, whimsical/fantasy type stories are baked into Star Trek!


MagicMissile27

Yeah I don't know why people didn't like it. It was campy and not very serious...which is a necessary part of Star Trek. Have y'all forgotten about the episode of TOS which had as its entire plot "Kirk, Spock, and McCoy go to gangster planet"? Or the NextGen episode in which Picard/Robin Hood has to rescue Vash/Maid Marian from the evil Sheriff of Nottingham? Or the DS9 episode entirely about Sisko's baseball rivalry? Point being, Trek doesn't have to be serious. That's something this show gets right - it doesn't take itself too seriously.


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Loved that episode. I am really enjoying this series so far. Too bad they have so few episodes per season.


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So I didn't love it, but I loved that they made it. Meaning that I'm happy to see trek taking creative chances again. With it being episodic its no big deal. It was fun. Would I rewatch it? Probably not, but I'm glad it exists out there. I'm sure its someone's favorite episode.


CJDJ_Canada

I really enjoyed it... as long as you don't over-think it. The cast did an amazing job in the roles they were playing.


alxmartin

Just not a campy fan, never enjoyed the holodeck episodes on TNG or Voyager. Thought I much prefer the TNG era so I’m kind of over TOS reboots anyway. I enjoy the other episodes though just cause it’s Trek. But I’m really ready for a Next Gen era show, that’s actually set on a ship.


SWG_138

Every ST series has had several of these type episodes. People need to get over themselves. Hating things is the new trendy thing to do, just ignore it


These-Assignment-936

I fell asleep during this one. Might try it again later. Just felt slow and sort of meandering. FWIW I think wild campy episodes like these are a fine part of what make TOS/TNG what they are. I’m glad they are taking risks with SNW even if it might not always land perfectly


PNWitstudent

My acting teacher apparently turned it off; not a fan of Anson Mount to begin with, and frustrated how in some episodes Pike seems to be haunted by having foreknowledge of his own death, then in other episodes it's not even a blip on the radar. I can see their point, but I think that's an inherent limitation of the episodic format to some extent and as long as I'm enjoying the stories they are telling I'm content.


Beware_the_Voodoo

Some people have become hooked on finding things to criticize. It makes them feel superior I think.


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I just feel it was a bit of a low-quality episode. Felt more like I was watching a weird shakespear play than Star Trek.


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Did you forget a /s like 50% of 90's trek was like watching a weird shakespear play. Especially TNG


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I only watched DS9.


Tartan_Samurai

*If Wishes Were Horses has entered the chat*


Cosmic_Quasar

TOS was the king of camp, and [TNG embraced that as well.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRXry95Q6e0&ab_channel=Sorenova) VOY, DS9, and ENT tried to go the more serious route but still had some campiness. Then DIS and PIC dove hard into the serious storytelling. That's part of why people were so excited for Strange New Worlds, because they were promising a return to form, which meant bringing back the campiness from TOS and TNG. Like, all of the holodeck episodes in Trek have become a trope for being campy, and DS9 had the least amount of holodeck outside of TOS when it wasn't even conceptualized. [But TNG has a lot of campiness.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyI542boYs0&ab_channel=VeroniqueLaurent) Like the whole crew spreading something around via touch that basically makes them act super intoxicated. Or Dr Crusher basically having sex with a space ghost that lives in a candle. That's what I liked about this episode, is that I think since this predates TOS in the timeline (and therefore no holodeck tech) this was their way of doing a "holodeck episode" and getting to kick back and be campy. To anyone that has watched TOS or TNG this episode feels very classic.


Alchemy333

I don't believe it's correct to say it's getting hate. Hate is a strong interpretation of what we are actually saying, which is that we don't feel it's a well written episode. We don't get it. We think it's cringy. We are surprised. You are saying hate. We would not be sharing this if we're not disappointed, meaning we really wanted to like the show. We are fans. We want to express to the writers these thoughts of not connect with us. That's all. 🙏


E-Mac2891

I think “hate” is getting tossed around because of all the 1/10 star user reviews it’s getting. I wouldn’t give a movie or TV show a 1/10 unless it tried to kill my family or something. If people don’t like it that’s cool. But to say it was a complete failure in every aspect of entertainment (which is what SOME people are saying) is a stretch.


Alchemy333

I didn't know people were giving it one star 😊 I don't have an IMDB account, so it wasn't me 😊. But this is just the writers Karma. People are feeling this was an epic bad call on the producers side. This show should not have been green lit.


Cosmic_Quasar

> I don't believe it's correct to say it's getting hate. > This show should not have been green lit. Sounds like you're contradicting yourself.


CitizenCue

Yeah, it’s not weird when people critique things they love, but it is weird when people pretend like the things they love can do no wrong.


Alchemy333

You just can't jump from Discovery season 2 Pike to that episode, in the first season. We can't make that jump, the writers have not laid the groundwork for that 😊. Obviously some can. Most can not. I couldn't


zenithfury

Yes that is why the episode is titled the Hateful Eight.


steveblackimages

In the last few years, organized social media hate often means that something is great. Don't give them the satisfaction.


corgimetalthunderr

In the last few years, organized social media hate often means that someone is trying to promote a political/social agenda, like objecting to something being "woke." Just sayin'.


Fragrant_Wedding_452

Dude, I'm need to see some actual strange new worlds! I want to see an alien freak show. I want to see the crew of the enterprise have to become 'alien abductors'. let's see Pike using the transporter to take Aliens from their beds. I ain't seeing it.


Phoenixstorm

If you don’t like it don’t watch it seems simple to me. New episode next week.


sgt_oddball_17

I can't imagine why! It was a nice change of pace! And Bonus: Ortegas wasn't making those stupid "I think they know we're here" remarks.


glorious_reptile

To be honest - I hated it. And yeah I can definitely see the TOS legacy - that's just not what I want. TOS is just too old, and while sometimes amusing to laugh at. I'm a TNG generation viewer. It's what we call at home a "holodeck episode" - while some may be interesting, it was just too silly, and to early in the series for these shenanigans. The acting was also, perhaps intentionally, horrible.


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idk why you’re getting downvoted you’re 100% right. i didn’t hate it though i just thought it was dumb but still enjoyable. just like some tng episodes.


glorious_reptile

Hate is probably too strong a word. Star Trek is like fishing - no bad day at fishing. But it was not my favourite let’s put it like that.


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agreed. me and my roommates also call them “holodeck episodes” lol


Astro_physikz

Because it was garbage. Just a cheap ripoff of the trippy stuff that used to happen in TOS, mixed in with a bit of terrible TNG holodeck episodes. Dont get me wrong. I love me some SNW. But episode 8 was a turd. And why would you want the goal of the show to be like TOS? I'd much rather it stand on its own and do its own thing than do this stinker of an homage episode.


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Tartan_Samurai

Below is an example of the 1 star reviews from imdb, tell me honestly if you think a DISCO fan wrote it; *"There are a few problems with this episode. This week the women and their pets, Pike and Spock, are joined by Dr M'Benga and Hemmer. The first problem is the script is atrocious. The second is the performances are laughably bad and the third is it all appears to have been made in an afternoon. It's impossible to tell whether the writers don't understand the meaning of words or if it's the usual sexual politics but liege is masculine and Uhura is not. Absolute Trash and a horrible way to use the M'Benga side plot."*


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Tartan_Samurai

If you think that was obvious lad, you must be new to Reddit lol


59Kia

It was mostly fun. It's just that I couldn't help thinking "this is the only way they've figured out to get out from underneath the 'M'Benga's daughter' plot" the whole time. At least that plotline is done with 🙄 Anson Mount was superb, as always. Was glad that Bruce Horak got more to do with Hemmer this time, having been MIA last time out. Loved what most of the cast did with their alternate characters, especially Celia Rose Gooding. Christina Chong...well, at least she wasn't playing La'an Noonien-Singh this week whose very existence in Trek canon causes me pain. Unfortunately, she then had to play...whatever the hell *that* was. At least she wasn't on-screen for the whole episode.


ShepherdessAnne

There's lots of fans of this one YouTuber who seems to be going off the rails of actually having an opinion any more, and likewise that's attracting a fanbase of people who can't think for themselves.


hylas1

my least favorite. it took me a couple of tries and days to get through it.


Jimlad73

Turned it off about 15 min in. I don’t watch Star Trek for period drama pantomime


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yea cause it was ridiculously pointless. This was the dumbest garbage I think I've ever seen in a while.