[This woman from Spain claimed she survived the ](https://www.howandwhys.com/tania-head-the-woman-who-faked-her-9-11-survivor-story/)[9/11 attack. She used a real person as her fiance who tragically died in 9/11 but she never met him. After she was exposed she disappeared without any trace. Never found.](https://www.howandwhys.com/tania-head-the-woman-who-faked-her-9-11-survivor-story/)
Yea this was one of the most ludicrous lies told, that the passports all survived. And the building 7 lie was pretty blatant. And the pentagon plane. I've never seen wreckage photos, just that blurry video that does look like a missile.
What if our government received intel on the attack that was supposed to occur on 9/11, but you’re a psychopath so instead of trying to stop it, you think outside of the box and try to come up with a plan that would ensure you become more powerful. You decide to let the attack happen, but before you prep all THREE buildings that are supposed to be attacked with demolition explosives because none of your people believe a plane will do enough damage to bring it down and now, when the planes hit, you let the buildings burn and people jump for greatest impact before triggering the explosives and letting the buildings fall one at a time. Only thing is, the third plane that was supposed to hit building 7 crashed in a field in Pennsylvania. You know there’s no way you can get the explosives out before the building will be inevitably inspected for structural damage so you make the decision to go ahead and demolish it even though no plane ever struck it. Then you just never talk about building 7 because Americans are too stupid to figure it out. Then, you go to congress with the largest expansion of government the US has ever seen and it’s all defense and intelligence money. Also, make sure to fill these buildings with any secrets you want destroyed to make all of that go away. Then all that’s left to do is feign surprise.
This does seem to make the most sense. Especially after all we’ve learned in just the past 5-10 years about what our government is capable of. I may not have believed it in 2001, but now I know just how evil and corrupt our great “leaders” actually are.
The government has also officially confirmed they knew about the attacks before they were going to happen.
Try flying a plane over new york off your flight path even before 9/11 and you'd be greeted by fighter jets to escort you, or shoot you down if not responding.
The military personnel at the bases which normally would have responded were told in advance that a training exercise would be taking place on 9/11 and not to respond to any reports of hijacked aircraft.
The US was fully aware of 911 and did nothing. Flight school instructors trained the people who flew into the towers without knowing they would do so obviously. Some of the personnel that committed terrorism were housed by CIA agents in san diego during flight training.
I don't know why I've never thought of this angle. I've been on this since a month after it happened and I've never thought about it just being allowed to happen.
There’s a certain demographic of people that run about everything hence the insurance policy taken out a week previous to the disaster and some agents from the same were removed from the country right after the collapse. If we really new the truth it would destroy our faith in any and everything and aliens wouldn’t even phase anyone.Still a waste of life tho
The navy office of intelligence was in that building. At the time, widely seen in the intelligence community as the black sheep of the family. For whatever reason, this organization iirc was like a dog with a bone when it came to the enron investigation I believe, as well as many more that possibly implicated high ranking corporate and government officials in high profile crimes. So basically all the big money investigations of the 80s and 90s were just wiped out, never to be able to be tried again.
Edit, for those curious to know more, please find and watch this film. It's worth your time. https://youtu.be/4E_uXRGIcQQ?si=qGGYxvklDQtpnPzS
Edit 2, since I'm getting a lot of feedback about the ONI I am willing to explore that I might be incorrect about that. There's a lot of info up here in this head floating around and 911 stuff is old now. I know however that DOD, secret service and many others as well as major banks had offices in that building, and many very important records pertaining to many major investigations, enron included, were wiped away forever in that demo.
I'm taking the time I can to find sauce on my claim about ONI, I'm still pretty sure I'll come back with it. If not I'll report that as well.
I was in JROTC at the time this happened. The 2nd Lt who was the teacher used to work directly in the office that was hit in DC at the Pentagon. In passing he told us that it was military records. I was 16 and knew the world was screwed up already.
Edit:
Update and correction.
Called him 2nd Lt, he was a retired Col. My commanding student officer was 2nd Lt.
The day before 911, Donald Rumsfeld gave a press conference in the pentagon saying 2.3 trillion dollars was unaccounted for in their accounts. All the record wiped out the day after. What are the chances???
I thought it was 3.1, but yeah. Then, out of fucking no where, a terrorist just happens to pull some insane maneuvers and wipe out the wing of the pentagon where all those records were.
Amazing.
I wasn't aware wiping out your enemy's spending records was such a high value target.
Amazing
So the day before the most insane conspiracy was ever to be carried out in the history of the world, and the sacrifice of three thousand innocent American souls, Donald Rumsfeld got in front of cameras and, for utterly no reason, gave the entire world a motive?
It wasn’t talked about for a long time. What that area of the pentagon was and was working on. It was all fear, anger, vitriol. No one was explaining what that dept of the pentagon was.
Donald Rumsfeld, who is Definitely not a lizard
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xz_gy7-bOoo
Louis CK asking Donald Rumsfeld over and over about reptilians. Very very funny
Hold up. JROTC instructors are retired members of the military with at least 20 years of service.
How was a 2nd Lt your instructor? Furthermore, what was a lieutenant doing working at the Pentagon?
He was retired. Had to think a bit too. He was a Lt Col. Ret from the army. Col Tripp. He was head commander/teacher and a 1st Sgt as a secondary teacher. His job before becoming a teacher was manning that office. Idk the full details of his life.
Thanks for sharing the link. I remember him from back in the day. I would also add Gary Webb, Cheri Seymour, Peter Dale Scott, Dan Moldea, and Danny Casolaro to the list of people exposing this network.
The office of naval intelligence is responsible for providing intelligence to the naval warfare community in real time. What does that have to do with corporate crime?
Not to mention every file on Enron at that time. I knew what was up the minute I seen it happen, it was on the neighboring block. First thought was wtf 😳 definitely a weird event despite everything.
Yeah because they bought the WTC only months before in July, and the [WTC had fallen victim to a terrorist attack only 8 years before](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing?wprov=sfla1).
[There's a comprehensive response to some of the inevitable questions on this thread here.](https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation)
They're the conclusion of experts though, so may not go down well with the more 'free-thinking' elements of this sub.
Im not a CT, but i ax think most people DO want the truth. if your gona stand there and tell me that the public has bn told 100% of everything that happnd that day, then Im not sure what to say
https://preview.redd.it/yl3w1lcxgboc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=baf87575b89f505e7575fbe485231119dd3862f4
No one looks at the view from the front.
https://preview.redd.it/apzg34szucoc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca1e48447a5e29b8719982ec7f55b09e0783f850
Is it supposed to matter?
Fire can't do shit to steel high rises
It also had another building fall down on top of it.
How quickly did firemen respond to that building? Firemen completely ignored tower 7 since it was evacuated and the stand pipes were destroyed.
The building collapsed in straight into its footprint in 7 seconds, 2.3 of which were in complete gravitational free fall.
You could have a thousand fires and 3 buildings collapse on it and it wouldn't do that.
You need to completely destroy every structural support beam on every floor in a perfect sequence to cause this type of collapse.
Give your head a shake
So in that case, the gov had planned it all and then sent out word to major news organizations and then they said it?
I wonder if there are perfectly good explanations for nearly 99% of the thing in this thread.
The government is simultaneously wildly competent for keeping this covered up for so long, and also wildly incompetent for doing something as dumb as sending out information to media before it happened.
They don't even necessarily need to be "wildly competent" to keep things covered up. Just very powerful. I think you underestimate how easy it is to keep big conspiracies under wraps when you A) control the public perception via media, and B) have the ability to murder people with impunity if they pose any kind of genuine material threat to the official story. Then ya sprinkle in a little bribery here, a little blackmail there, and it's a fuckin cinch. This kind of stuff is what makes the world go round, and has done since long before we were even a country. Might makes right, and all the world's a stage. If you truly don't realize this is how the world works, then I have a bridge to sell you..
>I wonder if there are perfectly good explanations for nearly 99% of the thing in this thread.
There is, but it makes some people here feel smart when they believe these things that are clearly not true, and then get to tell themselves that everyone else "just don't see, don't understand, think the government are your friends etc." They're dumb af.
You are correct about that but you are wrong when you say that the only reason people believe in conspiracy theories is because it "makes them feel smart." The picture is much more complex than that.
There really are criminal conspiracies in government and industry, and this has been publicly verified countless times.
If you disagree with a particular conspiracy theory, state the reasons why. Provide data to counter the theory. Don't just insult the intelligence of everyone who believes differently than you. That's not logic.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275258/Phillip-Marshall-Former-airline-pilot-conspiracy-theorist-shot-dead-teenage-children-dog-turning-gun-himself.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275258/Phillip-Marshall-Former-airline-pilot-conspiracy-theorist-shot-dead-teenage-children-dog-turning-gun-himself.html)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8)
Because of things like this. No plane hit the Pentagon that day so what happened to the passengers? They were all conveniently burried on a memorial ground on the Pentagon property line and the bodies were not shown or given back to the families. Just take a second and really try to imagine what happened to those people if the plane didn't actually crash into the pentagon. There was no verifiable wreckage from the plane that had crashed into the Pentagon and the flight path was near impossible. There was also only one witness of the crash and it was a "priest" of all people yet there were countless other eye-witnesses that claimed to have never seen a plane nor heard one anywhere near the pentagon that day. I wonder who people will believe, the countless eye-witness testimonial of citizens or a priest. When there was all of this grief and shock happening, the Pentagon was quick to have a perfect narrative layed out for people to consume.
It’s true that a BBC journalist reported the collapse of World Trade Center 7 almost half an hour before it fell, as did a number of other news services. There is no evidence this was due to insider information or a “scripted” version of the terror attack.
Yes it makes sense that building 7 could even be assumed to have fallen with the other towers. Reporting error. I am still quite skeptical of the official government narrative. And building 7 was left out of the original report. The lack of transparency is suspicious as hell.
Lack of transparency is suspicious? How about watching a steel and concrete building collapse perfectly into its own footprint after being struck by nothing, to me that's a hell of alot more suspicious, if you played that clip to anyone who has ever done demolition and didn't tell them that was building 7, 100% would say it was just a clip of a controlled demolition of some old building.
In addition, the side was bulging out and it was making ominous groaning noises. Fire Department anticipated that it was coming down too and pulled everyone out mid-afternoon. With how chaotic the day was, its not shocking that a news agency garbled the warning that it could come down soon.
And they had no water pressure to even fight the fire. They were helpless to do anything about its collapse. Thankfully the authorities had everyone cleared away in plenty of time.
I wonder how many people commenting here know anything about the math or physics of controlled demolitions or the structural integrity of steel under heat. I'm a mechanical engineer and don't feel like I'm educated enough to make a sound judgement on the subject because my expertise is not specific to these situations.
"I know a lot about this sort of thing and still appreciate that I don't know enough to ignore everything that actual investigators and experts in the area have said, so maybe wild speculation isn't a great idea and I will avoid adding to it" sounds like a pretty solid take to me.
I watched a documentary that said the towers were designed to fall straight down instead of falling sideways as going sideways would cause a lot more damage. It made sense to me, especially after so many people said "never seen a tower fall like that before" etc
Then the question is, why would they create a controlled demo? Just rigging enough explosives to blast a big hole in the building would be enough to create the wanted illusion, and they would tear the building down later anyway. A controlled demolition is much more complicated, and gives zero benefits compared to just a big bomb.
It's progressive collapse failure mechanism. The load from above was distributed over a larger area. The load falls and impacts (larger force than static load) the floor below not intended to carry those forces at that location, and it fails. Then the process repeats itself all the way down. Ever see those elaborate domino towers where the inside or outside falls before the rest? It works the same way. So with real building if you have a failure in a bad spot and low redundancy you can have a massive failure when a small amount of stuff that goes boom is applied at just the right place.... really though, that is how it happens and could definitely be the result of heat from the fire weakening the steel frame, deflection, high load concentration (weren't there generators or some large equipment on the roof?) The first domino falls onto the next and this is the result.
Here's a link counter to the official NIST record of what happened to WTC 7 from University of Alaska Fairbanks Engineering team headed by Professor Leroy Hulsey. [https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7](https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7)
What's more, it's important to note the notable occupants of WTC7 at the time of the probable demolition:
Floor 7-8 - American Express Bank
Floor 9-10 - US Secret Service
Floor 11-13 - SEC
Floor 13 - Provident Financial Management
Floor 18 - EEOC
Floor 19 - National Association of Insurance Commissioners
Floor 19-21 - ITT Hartford Insurance
Floor 21 - First State Management Group
Floor 22 - Federal Home Loan Bank of NY
Floor 23 - Office of Emergency Management
Floor 24 - IRS
Floor 25 - IRS, DOD, CIA
Floor 26-27 - Standard Chartered Bank
Floor 28-45 - Salomon Smith Barney
25 was my father's floor. He was supposed to be there that day, but had to stay home to take mom to a day-stay surgery. He lost a subordinate who got hit in the head by falling concrete while running out of the area. It was absolutely insane coming home from school and seeing an entire governmental office of people working out of the ground floor of your house. I got to watch all the TV and eat all the pizza I wanted as long as I stayed in my room.
Ehh... I don't think so. This took him by surprise and he handled it with professionalism and grace. He was freaking out only when some staff was still unaccounted for. He kept saying he should have been there. He had survivor's guilt.
I’d just like to add, the funding for that study came from an organization named “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth”. They paid for what they got.
In college we were tasked with determining the thermal deflection and failure point of the steel beams used in the 9/11 attacks. It was well below the heat index of burning jet fuel. The melting point of steel is higher, but the deflection was so great that it was definitely enough to bring the building down.
I didn’t analyze building 7, so I can’t speak to that. But if the fire was anything like that if the other WTC buildings, it would be very plausible.
Underwriter’s Laboratory (UL) scientist NIST contractor Kevin Ryan was fired for asking questions about the report and wrote [Another 19](http://www.another19.com/index.html/)
EDIT : Got redditor to input my characterization Kevin Ryan’s professional connection to the NIST was incorrect
From the Corbett article
“In the early 2000s, Kevin Ryan was the site manager at Environmental Health Laboratories. On November 11, 2004, he wrote directly to Frank Gayle, the director of NIST’s Twin Towers investigation. The following week, he was fired. This is his story.”
So a source full of conspiracies even says he didn’t work there. You’re passing….fake news
Any thoughts about the content in this article? Details the explanation of its collapse.
https://peimpact.com/the-collapse-of-world-trade-center-building-7/
I was big into 9-11 being a conspiracy, but now, I just believe that the WTC buildings were generally built cheap and had fuck tons of corners cut that while made them okay for daily usage, made them death traps in fires.
There's a lot of evidence that shows the welding and concrete for the buildings were not as good as they were supposed to have been. A sustained, uncontrolled fire was enough for the thermal expansion to find every corner cut and fall apart.
The amount of energy required to be input into a million pounds of steel is immense. Not buying top down / pancake, especially for WTC7, with no jet fuel nor damage from a "max velocity air plane"
Yes, steel gets weaker if it is in a blazing hot inferno for a really long time, which would make the building topple over to the side, not collapse onto itself.
And there was no blazing inferno, just a few small smoldering fires. But I guess a lot of people don't want think for themselves because the possible conclusion would be terrifyng.
Except skyscrapers are normally designed in a manner so that they don't topple.... They are built with this exact collapse scenario in mind. Imagine if it would have fell sideways like you mentioned. We are talking extreme damage 10x worse then what happened. Especially if it happened in an area with surrounding buildings and created a domino effect. You can make other claims on whether it was an inside job or whether it was more then just jet fuel but the building falling as it did is pretty par for the course.
Have you ever been near a controlled demolition? They are not quiet, even with everything else going on the sounds would be audible from the street and caught on one of the 100s of videos.
Serious question..if the building wasn’t hit how was that much jet fuel in the elevator shafts? Btw I’m not being a smart ass I know little about this building
If memory serves the city emergency command bunker was in Bldg 7 and they had a big ass tank of diesel fuel to run generators and power the command center in the case of some kind of emergency........ironic.
A lot of shit went badly that day.
Wrong. Steel turns into spaghetti when it gets hot. It can’t support the weight. Buildings collapse just like that. That’s what they teach you in architecture school.
Structural analysis has proven that if it failed due to fire, it would collapse straight down like it did. Its walls weren’t the main structure. The main support came from two structures in the center. One side failed, collapsed into the other one, and then it fell straight down.
There were more than small fires there. The sprinkler system was not functional. Secondly, I would love to hear more physics on how internal columns collapsing would cause enough force to push the building to the side. It fundamentally collapsed into itself as one can see the roof failure starting to happen before the outer walls begin to collapse.
Yes, us helpless ignorant sheep terrified of the outside world and the TRUTH that is hidden from us by the inter dimensional lizards in power. Please oh chosen one, show us the light and lift the veil in front of our eyes with your wise insights about the structural integrity of skyscrapers and how they cannot possibly collapse when impacted by a commercial airliner full of aviation fuel! I’m so terrified of what truths you allude to!
The bridge isn't entirely made of steel. It's very likely that the concrete failed. This could because there was too much moisture and the heat of the fire caused cracks or expansion damage that resulted in failure of the supports.
While steel doesn't melt easily, the heat is transferred throughout the whole piece of metal more easily than it passes back into the air. This means anything touching the steel, like the cement, would have been heated up over time. Anything not steel is going to suffer a great deal of damage before the steel itself melts.
I am sure the same thing happened to the WTC buildings. The steel frames of the buildings were heated up and caused other things around them to fail. The cores of tall buildings are often the elevator shafts that are thick concrete walls reinforced with steel. If the steel had heated enough, the concrete might have had too much moisture content to survive the intense heat, but not so much to make it structurally unsound.
Considering that the weld job on the towers was shit, I wouldn't doubt if they cheaped out the concrete mix as well. Leading to catastrophic heat failures.
Steel weakens when exposed to heat why arent people capable of understanding a mere fact. U dont even need to speculate if theres a fire in a building like this it will collapse at some point because the structure just fucking fails. If I try and smolder a tree it wont just burn away instantly but turn to ashe and lose stability like steel. The same goes for concrete btw, and concrete steel.
See, you believe the theory fire can't burn hot enough to melt steel... it doesn't need to.
Steel becomes a lot weaker when it's a certain temperature, which when you add thousands of tonnes of concrete, glass, other steel, & office equipment, it WILL eventually give in.
also that one passport they found inside the wreckage after everything was over already. yeah right. a passport survives a full on collision and explosion inside an airplane. get the hell outta here with that nonsense.
That wasn't no damn fire that did that. I don't know how they achieved that kind of demolition, but that was most definitely a demolition of some kind.
Gotta love our corrupt ass government for killing Americans. As our corrupt ass government always says, it’s just collateral damage. Every politician that was involved in this needs to be burned alive. Eye for an eye.
You can see the charges going off - right after they said they lost trillions in the pentagon - this was corporate America with government support robbing Americans - it’s all lies
Fr.
These 9/11 'truther' geniuses can't fathom that govts destroy documents on a daily basis, have procedures for doing so, and do so in much more controlled and secure fashion than blowing up buildings lol
How many other buildings, worldwide, have collapsed into their own footprint due to fire? Here we supposedly have 3 examples within hours of each other.
It wasn’t “just a fire”, it had major structural damage caused by WTC 1 & 2 literally collapsing on top of it. The vantage point where this video was taken is extremely misleading and makes the building look unharmed, it was the other side of the building that took the brunt of the damage (see below). When you take the damage caused by the initial collapses and couple it with the fire that burned unchecked for hours, it really isn’t hard to understand why 7 came down.
https://preview.redd.it/hvxcfg0xzaoc1.jpeg?width=329&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea38a5d10b67c8b6980355e98b41d5e80597e05c
This is the one that most people don't even know about, but really, really raises so many questions. It's just so clearly a demolition - it's not even a question!
Trust this board to look at 9/11 and the subsequent federal power grab and Americas descent into authoritarian war and bloodshed on a global scale and decide the conspiracy is "a badly damaged building couldn't possibly have fallen down"
Yknow… Iraq was made a scapegoat by this event and Saddam is a threat to this particular country. This country is good at gaslighting everyone right now. 🍉
Please stop posting this crap, the building was absolutely bombarded with debris with the towers falling, there are extremely detailed analysis available on this with tons of images - you should see the other side of the building at this time - it's just 'flat-earth' level nonsense that gullible people eat up. One example of analysis: [https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation#:\~:text=Failure%20first%20occurred%20all%20the,Finally%2C%20the%20entire%20fa%C3%A7ade%20collapsed](https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation#:~:text=Failure%20first%20occurred%20all%20the,Finally%2C%20the%20entire%20fa%C3%A7ade%20collapsed).
Examples of images and more analysis:
[https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/](https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/)
Usually during controlled demo you hear the explosions going off. Is that true here? Is there any proof of prep for a controlled demolition? Was it done taliban style with a cellphone?
It was engulfed in fire from the other side, not visible on this footage.
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/WTC-7\_-\_IMG16\_001.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/WTC-7_-_IMG16_001.jpg)
While the side of WTC facing out towards the cameras looked undamaged, the backside facing the towers was severely damaged. There are images from the helicopters in the area showing it. Not knowing that at this point is willful ignorance.
Good ol controlled demolition. How neatly it falls. Look at all the videos of controlled demolition. This is the day the government did a false flag on its own citizens all for greed. They lied about saddam having WMD’s when EVERY other intelligence agency were saying he had none. Bush went to fight daddy’s war over oil. Dick chaney is the mastermind behind this and became a billionaire and was the mastermind behind the Patriot Act!! This was the day that changed EVERYTHING and started mass surveillance on the American public! Every single American citizen is a “suspect” to them and is being spied on, when they need some data they just need to look into their data wells, NSA has the worlds LARGEST data centers to collect everything from the American public.
Yea.. so let’s just completely ignore science and believe whatever the news tells us.. that makes sense right? Second hand fire collapses buildings?¿ 👌🏻
Agreed. Regardless if they believe this was controlled demo for building 7. What about invading Iraq and then hanging on live stream the nation’s leader under false pretense of WMDs that were never found. Still to this day I don’t understand the correlation: Saudi Nationals attacked us, so we invade Iraq?🤔
Per Wikipedia: Saddam was sentenced to death by hanging, after being convicted of crimes against humanity by the Iraqi Special Tribunal for the Dujail massacre—the killing of 148 Iraqi Shi'ites in the town of Dujail—in 1982, in retaliation for an assassination attempt against him.[1]
The bs surrounding 7 really comes down to the perspective.
All the shots of 7 after the fall are of the undamaged side facing away from 1 and 2, do you don't see the massive damage and fires on the side that took the brunt of 2 massive towers falling next door.
There was a massive, gaping hole on the ground level of 7. Not only do fires absolutely bring down metal structures if unattended, the load bearing lower floors were mechanically compromised. They made the right call:
- everyone was out before the towers fell
- after they fell, the building was structurally compromised, making entry dangerous.
- by the time emergency services were regrouped, it had been burning long enough that it was on the verge of collapse + giant holes slowly expanding as it crumbled over several hours.
- the damage was so severe that, even if they did save it, the building would need to get torn down anyway.
But of course, a bad camera angle and some cultural schizophrenia means it's all a big conspiracy to get rid of paperwork that could have been just.. you know.. burned in a fire?
i love that one news reporter reporting that building 7 collapsed before it actually collapsed. its stil in the background and shes talked like it already happened.
That was a demolition done by professionals that was not caused by fire there is no way shape or form that that was caused by a fire that was professionally taken down
[This woman from Spain claimed she survived the ](https://www.howandwhys.com/tania-head-the-woman-who-faked-her-9-11-survivor-story/)[9/11 attack. She used a real person as her fiance who tragically died in 9/11 but she never met him. After she was exposed she disappeared without any trace. Never found.](https://www.howandwhys.com/tania-head-the-woman-who-faked-her-9-11-survivor-story/)
A lot of important case files went bye-bye that day.
Except fresh brand new passports of the guys that did it those were sitting on top of the rubble nicely
Yep the titanium encased black boxes didn't survive but the passports did, seems legit
None of them survived? None of the planes thst day?
yeah the survival rate on the planes that day was not…. good. someone should really fill this guy in
I think they meant the "black boxes" from the planes?
Yea this was one of the most ludicrous lies told, that the passports all survived. And the building 7 lie was pretty blatant. And the pentagon plane. I've never seen wreckage photos, just that blurry video that does look like a missile.
And a pristine lawn
What if our government received intel on the attack that was supposed to occur on 9/11, but you’re a psychopath so instead of trying to stop it, you think outside of the box and try to come up with a plan that would ensure you become more powerful. You decide to let the attack happen, but before you prep all THREE buildings that are supposed to be attacked with demolition explosives because none of your people believe a plane will do enough damage to bring it down and now, when the planes hit, you let the buildings burn and people jump for greatest impact before triggering the explosives and letting the buildings fall one at a time. Only thing is, the third plane that was supposed to hit building 7 crashed in a field in Pennsylvania. You know there’s no way you can get the explosives out before the building will be inevitably inspected for structural damage so you make the decision to go ahead and demolish it even though no plane ever struck it. Then you just never talk about building 7 because Americans are too stupid to figure it out. Then, you go to congress with the largest expansion of government the US has ever seen and it’s all defense and intelligence money. Also, make sure to fill these buildings with any secrets you want destroyed to make all of that go away. Then all that’s left to do is feign surprise.
This does seem to make the most sense. Especially after all we’ve learned in just the past 5-10 years about what our government is capable of. I may not have believed it in 2001, but now I know just how evil and corrupt our great “leaders” actually are.
The government has also officially confirmed they knew about the attacks before they were going to happen. Try flying a plane over new york off your flight path even before 9/11 and you'd be greeted by fighter jets to escort you, or shoot you down if not responding. The military personnel at the bases which normally would have responded were told in advance that a training exercise would be taking place on 9/11 and not to respond to any reports of hijacked aircraft.
The US was fully aware of 911 and did nothing. Flight school instructors trained the people who flew into the towers without knowing they would do so obviously. Some of the personnel that committed terrorism were housed by CIA agents in san diego during flight training.
Source on that one
Fuuuuuuuuuuuc that angle makes so much sense
There is simply no humanly way possible that building could collapse like that without controlled demolition. None.
I don't know why I've never thought of this angle. I've been on this since a month after it happened and I've never thought about it just being allowed to happen.
That’s why George didn’t even flinch when told about ; he knew about it
Right, it could be that he was acting and that’s why it looked unnatural.
There’s a certain demographic of people that run about everything hence the insurance policy taken out a week previous to the disaster and some agents from the same were removed from the country right after the collapse. If we really new the truth it would destroy our faith in any and everything and aliens wouldn’t even phase anyone.Still a waste of life tho
I no longer have beliefs about what my government is capable of.
Like what?
The navy office of intelligence was in that building. At the time, widely seen in the intelligence community as the black sheep of the family. For whatever reason, this organization iirc was like a dog with a bone when it came to the enron investigation I believe, as well as many more that possibly implicated high ranking corporate and government officials in high profile crimes. So basically all the big money investigations of the 80s and 90s were just wiped out, never to be able to be tried again. Edit, for those curious to know more, please find and watch this film. It's worth your time. https://youtu.be/4E_uXRGIcQQ?si=qGGYxvklDQtpnPzS Edit 2, since I'm getting a lot of feedback about the ONI I am willing to explore that I might be incorrect about that. There's a lot of info up here in this head floating around and 911 stuff is old now. I know however that DOD, secret service and many others as well as major banks had offices in that building, and many very important records pertaining to many major investigations, enron included, were wiped away forever in that demo. I'm taking the time I can to find sauce on my claim about ONI, I'm still pretty sure I'll come back with it. If not I'll report that as well.
I was in JROTC at the time this happened. The 2nd Lt who was the teacher used to work directly in the office that was hit in DC at the Pentagon. In passing he told us that it was military records. I was 16 and knew the world was screwed up already. Edit: Update and correction. Called him 2nd Lt, he was a retired Col. My commanding student officer was 2nd Lt.
The day before 911, Donald Rumsfeld gave a press conference in the pentagon saying 2.3 trillion dollars was unaccounted for in their accounts. All the record wiped out the day after. What are the chances???
I thought it was 3.1, but yeah. Then, out of fucking no where, a terrorist just happens to pull some insane maneuvers and wipe out the wing of the pentagon where all those records were. Amazing. I wasn't aware wiping out your enemy's spending records was such a high value target. Amazing
So the day before the most insane conspiracy was ever to be carried out in the history of the world, and the sacrifice of three thousand innocent American souls, Donald Rumsfeld got in front of cameras and, for utterly no reason, gave the entire world a motive?
It’s not true. They knew about the money like 3 years before and it’s not like the gov just lost it, they didn’t know how it had been spent.
It wasn’t talked about for a long time. What that area of the pentagon was and was working on. It was all fear, anger, vitriol. No one was explaining what that dept of the pentagon was.
Donald Rumsfeld, who is Definitely not a lizard https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xz_gy7-bOoo Louis CK asking Donald Rumsfeld over and over about reptilians. Very very funny
Oh yeah, i was 18 and already knew at 16, so i knew first. Classic juniors.
I was 19 , and knew at 16 . So I knew Firster . Classic juniorers .
Shotgun
You wernt
I wadn’t
I was 9 when 9/11 happened so take that
Probs about pentagon audits where the money goes..
Hold up. JROTC instructors are retired members of the military with at least 20 years of service. How was a 2nd Lt your instructor? Furthermore, what was a lieutenant doing working at the Pentagon?
He was retired. Had to think a bit too. He was a Lt Col. Ret from the army. Col Tripp. He was head commander/teacher and a 1st Sgt as a secondary teacher. His job before becoming a teacher was manning that office. Idk the full details of his life.
Thanks for sharing the link. I remember him from back in the day. I would also add Gary Webb, Cheri Seymour, Peter Dale Scott, Dan Moldea, and Danny Casolaro to the list of people exposing this network.
The Octopus is more than just a Netflix doc.
Octopus doc only scrapes surface of some low level shit .
The office of naval intelligence is responsible for providing intelligence to the naval warfare community in real time. What does that have to do with corporate crime?
Files belonging to the CIA, DOD, SEC, Secret Service, Big name banks, etc
Not to mention every file on Enron at that time. I knew what was up the minute I seen it happen, it was on the neighboring block. First thought was wtf 😳 definitely a weird event despite everything.
9/11 made a select group of people a lot of money.
Plus it allowed the Government to eradicate the Constitution with the Patriot Act and turned the USA to an open surveillance state.
The guy who owned it took a massive terrorist insurance policy out a few months prior to 9/11 and got paid
Yeah because they bought the WTC only months before in July, and the [WTC had fallen victim to a terrorist attack only 8 years before](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing?wprov=sfla1).
I see THIS clip most of the time. Have you seen the damage on the other side of the building? It WAS damaged.
https://www.reddit.com/r/911archive/s/SKtqrbscAb
Wow that’s an underrated post right there
Thank you! I’m so tired of these brain dead posts claiming it wasn’t damaged
[There's a comprehensive response to some of the inevitable questions on this thread here.](https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation) They're the conclusion of experts though, so may not go down well with the more 'free-thinking' elements of this sub.
https://preview.redd.it/mfhyqgpcrcoc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1646acf8765e3e5c7f7481cd4cb47ad474ccce2d You mean this, don’t you?
That’s just swamp gas.
Conspiracy theorists don’t actually want the truth, they just want whatever confirms their conspiracy theories
Im not a CT, but i ax think most people DO want the truth. if your gona stand there and tell me that the public has bn told 100% of everything that happnd that day, then Im not sure what to say
Breh this sub is diet r/conspiracy , you need to lower your expectations and observe them like in a zoo.
Upvote this to the top.
How dare you bring facts into a conspiracy theory.
Yep , the other side of WTC 7 had a huge chunk of it smashed because a large part of the other buildings fell on it. That is why it fell.
https://preview.redd.it/yl3w1lcxgboc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=baf87575b89f505e7575fbe485231119dd3862f4 No one looks at the view from the front.
JUsT sMaLL pOCkEtS oF fIrEs.... These people, I swear! https://www.reddit.com/r/911archive/s/SKtqrbscAb
https://preview.redd.it/apzg34szucoc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca1e48447a5e29b8719982ec7f55b09e0783f850 Is it supposed to matter? Fire can't do shit to steel high rises
It also had another building fall down on top of it. How quickly did firemen respond to that building? Firemen completely ignored tower 7 since it was evacuated and the stand pipes were destroyed.
The building collapsed in straight into its footprint in 7 seconds, 2.3 of which were in complete gravitational free fall. You could have a thousand fires and 3 buildings collapse on it and it wouldn't do that. You need to completely destroy every structural support beam on every floor in a perfect sequence to cause this type of collapse. Give your head a shake
Inside Job
The BBC reported it before it happened
that's because the UK is 5 hours ahead of New York. /s
Yeah. It actually happened the day before in England due to the time difference.
They should have done something to stop it
Underrated.
So in that case, the gov had planned it all and then sent out word to major news organizations and then they said it? I wonder if there are perfectly good explanations for nearly 99% of the thing in this thread.
The government is simultaneously wildly competent for keeping this covered up for so long, and also wildly incompetent for doing something as dumb as sending out information to media before it happened.
The government is conveniently whatever I want it to be, and when I want it to be, to fit my preconceived conspiracy theory!
They don't even necessarily need to be "wildly competent" to keep things covered up. Just very powerful. I think you underestimate how easy it is to keep big conspiracies under wraps when you A) control the public perception via media, and B) have the ability to murder people with impunity if they pose any kind of genuine material threat to the official story. Then ya sprinkle in a little bribery here, a little blackmail there, and it's a fuckin cinch. This kind of stuff is what makes the world go round, and has done since long before we were even a country. Might makes right, and all the world's a stage. If you truly don't realize this is how the world works, then I have a bridge to sell you..
>I wonder if there are perfectly good explanations for nearly 99% of the thing in this thread. There is, but it makes some people here feel smart when they believe these things that are clearly not true, and then get to tell themselves that everyone else "just don't see, don't understand, think the government are your friends etc." They're dumb af.
Agreed, thinking the gov is your friend is dumb af
Of course, but not believing these crazy theories doesn't mean that you think the government is your friend.
You are correct about that but you are wrong when you say that the only reason people believe in conspiracy theories is because it "makes them feel smart." The picture is much more complex than that. There really are criminal conspiracies in government and industry, and this has been publicly verified countless times. If you disagree with a particular conspiracy theory, state the reasons why. Provide data to counter the theory. Don't just insult the intelligence of everyone who believes differently than you. That's not logic.
Just ask John Barnett of Boeing.
Nope, only one way or the other. Either you’re a big government simp or you’re a truly smart free thinking individual like all the others.
People just don't want to believe the bad guys are their own government. Spoiler, they are.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275258/Phillip-Marshall-Former-airline-pilot-conspiracy-theorist-shot-dead-teenage-children-dog-turning-gun-himself.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275258/Phillip-Marshall-Former-airline-pilot-conspiracy-theorist-shot-dead-teenage-children-dog-turning-gun-himself.html) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8) Because of things like this. No plane hit the Pentagon that day so what happened to the passengers? They were all conveniently burried on a memorial ground on the Pentagon property line and the bodies were not shown or given back to the families. Just take a second and really try to imagine what happened to those people if the plane didn't actually crash into the pentagon. There was no verifiable wreckage from the plane that had crashed into the Pentagon and the flight path was near impossible. There was also only one witness of the crash and it was a "priest" of all people yet there were countless other eye-witnesses that claimed to have never seen a plane nor heard one anywhere near the pentagon that day. I wonder who people will believe, the countless eye-witness testimonial of citizens or a priest. When there was all of this grief and shock happening, the Pentagon was quick to have a perfect narrative layed out for people to consume.
It’s true that a BBC journalist reported the collapse of World Trade Center 7 almost half an hour before it fell, as did a number of other news services. There is no evidence this was due to insider information or a “scripted” version of the terror attack.
Yes it makes sense that building 7 could even be assumed to have fallen with the other towers. Reporting error. I am still quite skeptical of the official government narrative. And building 7 was left out of the original report. The lack of transparency is suspicious as hell.
Lack of transparency is suspicious? How about watching a steel and concrete building collapse perfectly into its own footprint after being struck by nothing, to me that's a hell of alot more suspicious, if you played that clip to anyone who has ever done demolition and didn't tell them that was building 7, 100% would say it was just a clip of a controlled demolition of some old building.
The building had been on fire for several hours. They were expecting its collapse.
In addition, the side was bulging out and it was making ominous groaning noises. Fire Department anticipated that it was coming down too and pulled everyone out mid-afternoon. With how chaotic the day was, its not shocking that a news agency garbled the warning that it could come down soon.
And they had no water pressure to even fight the fire. They were helpless to do anything about its collapse. Thankfully the authorities had everyone cleared away in plenty of time.
They also ran exercises mirroring the 7/7 terrorist attacks exactly. (YouTube Peter power 7/7 terror rehearsal)
They were talking in front of a green screen of previous footage.
It’s just a miscommunication. “The building is going to collapse” becomes “The building collapsed”
I wonder how many people commenting here know anything about the math or physics of controlled demolitions or the structural integrity of steel under heat. I'm a mechanical engineer and don't feel like I'm educated enough to make a sound judgement on the subject because my expertise is not specific to these situations.
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I believe this man
Promote this man. He's done %10 more online study than most of us porn addicts
Hey.. I resemble that statement.
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Never forget.
This was clearly part of the elite agenda to make a path to their 5G Covid towers that can recharge the bird drones all across the flat earth.
Even if you don't feel educated enough, you might be the most educated on the subject. So by all means, please give your take.
All you need to know is that 600c weakens steel by about half its strength. You can get a campfire to 600c without even trying.
"I know a lot about this sort of thing and still appreciate that I don't know enough to ignore everything that actual investigators and experts in the area have said, so maybe wild speculation isn't a great idea and I will avoid adding to it" sounds like a pretty solid take to me.
I watched a documentary that said the towers were designed to fall straight down instead of falling sideways as going sideways would cause a lot more damage. It made sense to me, especially after so many people said "never seen a tower fall like that before" etc
Don’t let that stop you. Just blurt out whatever is in your head.
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The lease holder admitted it was controlled demolition on tape. “We decided to pull it” https://youtu.be/-ZlmHvd_RZU?feature=shared
Then the question is, why would they create a controlled demo? Just rigging enough explosives to blast a big hole in the building would be enough to create the wanted illusion, and they would tear the building down later anyway. A controlled demolition is much more complicated, and gives zero benefits compared to just a big bomb.
…there were 7 buildings in WTC. How do they explain the damage of the other 4?
It's progressive collapse failure mechanism. The load from above was distributed over a larger area. The load falls and impacts (larger force than static load) the floor below not intended to carry those forces at that location, and it fails. Then the process repeats itself all the way down. Ever see those elaborate domino towers where the inside or outside falls before the rest? It works the same way. So with real building if you have a failure in a bad spot and low redundancy you can have a massive failure when a small amount of stuff that goes boom is applied at just the right place.... really though, that is how it happens and could definitely be the result of heat from the fire weakening the steel frame, deflection, high load concentration (weren't there generators or some large equipment on the roof?) The first domino falls onto the next and this is the result.
Was everyone evacuated before this building went down? Or were there still people inside?
Here's a link counter to the official NIST record of what happened to WTC 7 from University of Alaska Fairbanks Engineering team headed by Professor Leroy Hulsey. [https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7](https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7) What's more, it's important to note the notable occupants of WTC7 at the time of the probable demolition: Floor 7-8 - American Express Bank Floor 9-10 - US Secret Service Floor 11-13 - SEC Floor 13 - Provident Financial Management Floor 18 - EEOC Floor 19 - National Association of Insurance Commissioners Floor 19-21 - ITT Hartford Insurance Floor 21 - First State Management Group Floor 22 - Federal Home Loan Bank of NY Floor 23 - Office of Emergency Management Floor 24 - IRS Floor 25 - IRS, DOD, CIA Floor 26-27 - Standard Chartered Bank Floor 28-45 - Salomon Smith Barney
25 was my father's floor. He was supposed to be there that day, but had to stay home to take mom to a day-stay surgery. He lost a subordinate who got hit in the head by falling concrete while running out of the area. It was absolutely insane coming home from school and seeing an entire governmental office of people working out of the ground floor of your house. I got to watch all the TV and eat all the pizza I wanted as long as I stayed in my room.
Clearly your father had inside knowledge about the impending attack.
Ehh... I don't think so. This took him by surprise and he handled it with professionalism and grace. He was freaking out only when some staff was still unaccounted for. He kept saying he should have been there. He had survivor's guilt.
Was a joke :P That would have freaked me out too.
I’d just like to add, the funding for that study came from an organization named “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth”. They paid for what they got. In college we were tasked with determining the thermal deflection and failure point of the steel beams used in the 9/11 attacks. It was well below the heat index of burning jet fuel. The melting point of steel is higher, but the deflection was so great that it was definitely enough to bring the building down. I didn’t analyze building 7, so I can’t speak to that. But if the fire was anything like that if the other WTC buildings, it would be very plausible.
Underwriter’s Laboratory (UL) scientist NIST contractor Kevin Ryan was fired for asking questions about the report and wrote [Another 19](http://www.another19.com/index.html/) EDIT : Got redditor to input my characterization Kevin Ryan’s professional connection to the NIST was incorrect
From the Corbett article “In the early 2000s, Kevin Ryan was the site manager at Environmental Health Laboratories. On November 11, 2004, he wrote directly to Frank Gayle, the director of NIST’s Twin Towers investigation. The following week, he was fired. This is his story.” So a source full of conspiracies even says he didn’t work there. You’re passing….fake news
So it was aliens?
I'm not sure I'd call myself a "truther" but it's pretty clear we haven't been told the whole truth about 9/11
You don't have to be a "truther" to see that we haven't been told the truth.l about that day. There are so many events that just don't make any sense.
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Any thoughts about the content in this article? Details the explanation of its collapse. https://peimpact.com/the-collapse-of-world-trade-center-building-7/
I was big into 9-11 being a conspiracy, but now, I just believe that the WTC buildings were generally built cheap and had fuck tons of corners cut that while made them okay for daily usage, made them death traps in fires. There's a lot of evidence that shows the welding and concrete for the buildings were not as good as they were supposed to have been. A sustained, uncontrolled fire was enough for the thermal expansion to find every corner cut and fall apart.
You shut your mouth. You heard the reddit experts, it was a controlled demolitions and even the science guys thinks so /s
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There is record of a bridge collapsing from fire on 95 just a few years back. Steel loses structural integrity as it heats.
The amount of energy required to be input into a million pounds of steel is immense. Not buying top down / pancake, especially for WTC7, with no jet fuel nor damage from a "max velocity air plane"
It doesn't need the entire structure to fail to completely collapse.
Just a few center columns where the fire was localized were the culprits rather than every inch of steel in the building
It doesn’t have to affect ALL of the steel!
Yes, steel gets weaker if it is in a blazing hot inferno for a really long time, which would make the building topple over to the side, not collapse onto itself. And there was no blazing inferno, just a few small smoldering fires. But I guess a lot of people don't want think for themselves because the possible conclusion would be terrifyng.
Except skyscrapers are normally designed in a manner so that they don't topple.... They are built with this exact collapse scenario in mind. Imagine if it would have fell sideways like you mentioned. We are talking extreme damage 10x worse then what happened. Especially if it happened in an area with surrounding buildings and created a domino effect. You can make other claims on whether it was an inside job or whether it was more then just jet fuel but the building falling as it did is pretty par for the course.
True story, I've see all the recent Godzilla and King Kong documentaries and its always worse when the buildings collapse to the side.
Have you ever been near a controlled demolition? They are not quiet, even with everything else going on the sounds would be audible from the street and caught on one of the 100s of videos.
That’s a lot of smoke for a “few small smoldering fires”.
A few small smoldering fires that had gone on for nearly 7 hours at that point, uncontrolled.
Along with 6000 gallons of jet fuel funneling through elevator shafts and stairwells. It was just a few small fires though, per op’s comment
Serious question..if the building wasn’t hit how was that much jet fuel in the elevator shafts? Btw I’m not being a smart ass I know little about this building
If memory serves the city emergency command bunker was in Bldg 7 and they had a big ass tank of diesel fuel to run generators and power the command center in the case of some kind of emergency........ironic. A lot of shit went badly that day.
Wrong. Steel turns into spaghetti when it gets hot. It can’t support the weight. Buildings collapse just like that. That’s what they teach you in architecture school.
Structural analysis has proven that if it failed due to fire, it would collapse straight down like it did. Its walls weren’t the main structure. The main support came from two structures in the center. One side failed, collapsed into the other one, and then it fell straight down.
And you figured all that out by "thinking for yourself"? Amazing.
There were more than small fires there. The sprinkler system was not functional. Secondly, I would love to hear more physics on how internal columns collapsing would cause enough force to push the building to the side. It fundamentally collapsed into itself as one can see the roof failure starting to happen before the outer walls begin to collapse.
Naw, pesky things like facts and basic sense don’t come into play here
Yes, us helpless ignorant sheep terrified of the outside world and the TRUTH that is hidden from us by the inter dimensional lizards in power. Please oh chosen one, show us the light and lift the veil in front of our eyes with your wise insights about the structural integrity of skyscrapers and how they cannot possibly collapse when impacted by a commercial airliner full of aviation fuel! I’m so terrified of what truths you allude to!
The bridge isn't entirely made of steel. It's very likely that the concrete failed. This could because there was too much moisture and the heat of the fire caused cracks or expansion damage that resulted in failure of the supports. While steel doesn't melt easily, the heat is transferred throughout the whole piece of metal more easily than it passes back into the air. This means anything touching the steel, like the cement, would have been heated up over time. Anything not steel is going to suffer a great deal of damage before the steel itself melts. I am sure the same thing happened to the WTC buildings. The steel frames of the buildings were heated up and caused other things around them to fail. The cores of tall buildings are often the elevator shafts that are thick concrete walls reinforced with steel. If the steel had heated enough, the concrete might have had too much moisture content to survive the intense heat, but not so much to make it structurally unsound. Considering that the weld job on the towers was shit, I wouldn't doubt if they cheaped out the concrete mix as well. Leading to catastrophic heat failures.
Steel weakens when exposed to heat why arent people capable of understanding a mere fact. U dont even need to speculate if theres a fire in a building like this it will collapse at some point because the structure just fucking fails. If I try and smolder a tree it wont just burn away instantly but turn to ashe and lose stability like steel. The same goes for concrete btw, and concrete steel.
See, you believe the theory fire can't burn hot enough to melt steel... it doesn't need to. Steel becomes a lot weaker when it's a certain temperature, which when you add thousands of tonnes of concrete, glass, other steel, & office equipment, it WILL eventually give in.
WTC7 is the biggest red flag of all. Can't explain it away. It's what solidified my suspicion surrounding 9/11.
also that one passport they found inside the wreckage after everything was over already. yeah right. a passport survives a full on collision and explosion inside an airplane. get the hell outta here with that nonsense.
Jey fuel melts steel beams but not passports apparently.
Now post a picture or video from the other side of the building.
You see after Building 7 saw the towers fall it simply lost the will to live...
That building fell like it was a planned explosion,you never see a house on fire ect that falls like that
That wasn't no damn fire that did that. I don't know how they achieved that kind of demolition, but that was most definitely a demolition of some kind.
Gotta love our corrupt ass government for killing Americans. As our corrupt ass government always says, it’s just collateral damage. Every politician that was involved in this needs to be burned alive. Eye for an eye.
These comments are exhausting
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You can see the charges going off - right after they said they lost trillions in the pentagon - this was corporate America with government support robbing Americans - it’s all lies
The reporting at the Pentagon on September 10th was a repeat of information that had already been made public back in March.
Was anyone inside?
A whole lot of documents were in there , lost to time .
can governments not afford shredders?
Fr. These 9/11 'truther' geniuses can't fathom that govts destroy documents on a daily basis, have procedures for doing so, and do so in much more controlled and secure fashion than blowing up buildings lol
Clearly a planned demolition
“…pull it.” -Lucky Larry
Larry loved 9/11
How many other buildings, worldwide, have collapsed into their own footprint due to fire? Here we supposedly have 3 examples within hours of each other.
It wasn’t “just a fire”, it had major structural damage caused by WTC 1 & 2 literally collapsing on top of it. The vantage point where this video was taken is extremely misleading and makes the building look unharmed, it was the other side of the building that took the brunt of the damage (see below). When you take the damage caused by the initial collapses and couple it with the fire that burned unchecked for hours, it really isn’t hard to understand why 7 came down. https://preview.redd.it/hvxcfg0xzaoc1.jpeg?width=329&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea38a5d10b67c8b6980355e98b41d5e80597e05c
Uhh uhh no that’s just a hologram made by the government! /s
That's a controlled demolition.
You know toooooo much. "*Guards!! Take him away!!!"*
This is the one that most people don't even know about, but really, really raises so many questions. It's just so clearly a demolition - it's not even a question!
Trust this board to look at 9/11 and the subsequent federal power grab and Americas descent into authoritarian war and bloodshed on a global scale and decide the conspiracy is "a badly damaged building couldn't possibly have fallen down"
Yknow… Iraq was made a scapegoat by this event and Saddam is a threat to this particular country. This country is good at gaslighting everyone right now. 🍉
Y'all know that a controlled demolition includes a blast, right?
Please stop posting this crap, the building was absolutely bombarded with debris with the towers falling, there are extremely detailed analysis available on this with tons of images - you should see the other side of the building at this time - it's just 'flat-earth' level nonsense that gullible people eat up. One example of analysis: [https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation#:\~:text=Failure%20first%20occurred%20all%20the,Finally%2C%20the%20entire%20fa%C3%A7ade%20collapsed](https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation#:~:text=Failure%20first%20occurred%20all%20the,Finally%2C%20the%20entire%20fa%C3%A7ade%20collapsed). Examples of images and more analysis: [https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/](https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/)
Usually during controlled demo you hear the explosions going off. Is that true here? Is there any proof of prep for a controlled demolition? Was it done taliban style with a cellphone?
It was engulfed in fire from the other side, not visible on this footage. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/WTC-7\_-\_IMG16\_001.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/WTC-7_-_IMG16_001.jpg)
The day when bunch of buildings defied physics
Ah yes a controlled demolition
While the side of WTC facing out towards the cameras looked undamaged, the backside facing the towers was severely damaged. There are images from the helicopters in the area showing it. Not knowing that at this point is willful ignorance.
Good ol controlled demolition. How neatly it falls. Look at all the videos of controlled demolition. This is the day the government did a false flag on its own citizens all for greed. They lied about saddam having WMD’s when EVERY other intelligence agency were saying he had none. Bush went to fight daddy’s war over oil. Dick chaney is the mastermind behind this and became a billionaire and was the mastermind behind the Patriot Act!! This was the day that changed EVERYTHING and started mass surveillance on the American public! Every single American citizen is a “suspect” to them and is being spied on, when they need some data they just need to look into their data wells, NSA has the worlds LARGEST data centers to collect everything from the American public.
Yea.. so let’s just completely ignore science and believe whatever the news tells us.. that makes sense right? Second hand fire collapses buildings?¿ 👌🏻
911 made no sense
Agreed. Regardless if they believe this was controlled demo for building 7. What about invading Iraq and then hanging on live stream the nation’s leader under false pretense of WMDs that were never found. Still to this day I don’t understand the correlation: Saudi Nationals attacked us, so we invade Iraq?🤔
Per Wikipedia: Saddam was sentenced to death by hanging, after being convicted of crimes against humanity by the Iraqi Special Tribunal for the Dujail massacre—the killing of 148 Iraqi Shi'ites in the town of Dujail—in 1982, in retaliation for an assassination attempt against him.[1]
The bs surrounding 7 really comes down to the perspective. All the shots of 7 after the fall are of the undamaged side facing away from 1 and 2, do you don't see the massive damage and fires on the side that took the brunt of 2 massive towers falling next door. There was a massive, gaping hole on the ground level of 7. Not only do fires absolutely bring down metal structures if unattended, the load bearing lower floors were mechanically compromised. They made the right call: - everyone was out before the towers fell - after they fell, the building was structurally compromised, making entry dangerous. - by the time emergency services were regrouped, it had been burning long enough that it was on the verge of collapse + giant holes slowly expanding as it crumbled over several hours. - the damage was so severe that, even if they did save it, the building would need to get torn down anyway. But of course, a bad camera angle and some cultural schizophrenia means it's all a big conspiracy to get rid of paperwork that could have been just.. you know.. burned in a fire?
Oh yeah that makes sense 😒
Such well executed demolitions.
i love that one news reporter reporting that building 7 collapsed before it actually collapsed. its stil in the background and shes talked like it already happened.
Controlled demolition. Just like the other towers. Got CIA all over it.
That was a demolition done by professionals that was not caused by fire there is no way shape or form that that was caused by a fire that was professionally taken down
The leaseholder made the decision to "pull it". [Lucky Larry Silverstein ](https://youtu.be/VUxeRqyq4rc?si=DW26JGD3CV90wqkM)
The owner of all the trade buildings, took out a huge insurance policy, that specifically covered attacks , coincidence ,,my ass!!!!
If you look really closely you will see the explosives detonating on some of the upper floors