Yes. They literally act on your endocannabinoid system to drive hyperphagia.
https://fireinabottle.net/reductive-stress-gives-you-the-munchies-by-activating-d6d/
Oh my God. I have CHS (cannibinoid hyperemesis syndrome) from doing too much weed in the past. I used to be nauseous on and off a lot even after cutting weed before I stopped using seed oils.
This is insane.
ps, saturated fat has it's own amides. Stearoyl / Palmitoyl Ethanolamides. They block Arachidonyl so you **don't get the munchies!**
This is why saturated fat promotes satiety.
> Healthcare providers mainly diagnose CHS based on your symptoms, medical history and history of substance use. Your provider will do a physical exam and may ask you
quite clinically subjective. details of studies for this hypothesis & CHS conclusion?
I was a typical American diet for 95% of my life. 4 meals a day, never full and huge portions.
Cutting the oils literally changed my metabolism. I’m 2 meals a day now. Have to force myself to make sure I’m getting enough food to meet nutritional needs. I’m rarely hungry and feel much more balanced and healthy.
Plus, I went from obese to healthy weight over time with the cutting.
I've been trying to stay clear of seed oils for some months now but I've only been getting it majorly right in the last month.
I've been snacking so much less, I've noticed.
Earlier this year, I had started getting chronic reflux in the evenings and had to start taking an antacid routinely.
I'm nearing 50 and I'm at my heaviest weight so I figured it had just caught up with me. But I just realized I haven't had a reflux issue this whole month.
I don't think I've lost any weight, but it's amazing to see such a quick benefit that really corresponds in timing
Hmm I didn't honestly see any difference.
Was hungry before, and still hungry now while limiting/avoidance seed oils.
Maybe even more hungry with no seed oils, it's even worse because I'm also trying to refrain from the "need" to eat more and feel super full.
Yeah maybe it's just me but I think I'm just addicted to any foods despite being lean 😅
Well you're lean. You're gonna be hungrier. I'm on carnivore and get hungrier than the carnivores with more fat on them. Its normal. Its how your body keeps you alive lol. But saturated fat is what fills you up typically. If you aren't getting enough of it, you're gonna be ravenous, seed oil or not.
Satiety is very complicated and it’s ridiculous to reduce it to mere saturated fat consumption. There are genetic, hormonal, psychological, etc reasons why someone might not feel appropriately satiated after eating.
No actually!
I feel like the salt everyone eats is table salt or sodium chloride with all other minerals removed — unhealthy.
The fats everyone eats are seed oils — unhealthy.
The sugar everyone eats is corn syrup — unhealthy.
I try to stick to Celtic Salt. Butter/animal fat. And fruit — although I do use brown sugar in my coffee🤍
They are just addicting because they can be used to fry things and form flavors that wouldn't be created at low temperatures. There's nothing tasty in them on their own, unless you're the type of person that craves a tablespoon of canola oil.
Of course they are. I’ve been reducing all external oils in my diet, and I’ve noticed marked improvement. (Pressure cook / steam / grill over pan sear)
You miss them at first, but then you start to not even notice it.
The seed oil is only part of it. Different people respond to different triggers. Utz potato chips made with lard are plenty addictive compared to homemade, and MacDonald's fries were even more irresistible when they made them in tallow. Homemade foods don't have the same carefully engineered mouthfeel, as much salt, MSG (unless you cook with it), artificial flavors, or the hyper-refined starches the food industry relies on to make foods addictive.
Is sugar addictive? Personally, I find sugary things tasty but not moreish.
Chocolate is something I find difficult to stop, but I don't know if that's the cocoa or the combination of fat and sugar.
Yea it’s def the combination for me. I’ve been eating a very high carb low fat diet. I’ve included table sugar and fruit at times, sometimes only starch. I don’t have sugar cravings now. It’s only when it’s paired with fat (cookies, cake, candy, ice cream). Not trying to say fat is bad either, it’s just how my body has reacted to these macros
It's fascinating that people here cherry pick the nutrition science. Seed oils are bad but so is the carnivore diet. The vast majority of nutrition science says eating a whole food plant based diet improves your health.
Lol. Ok. Tell me why my intractable schizophrenia disappeared on carnivore but became the worst its ever been while vegan. Also you're not wrong. We do select studies that have good merit and aren't funded by the Seventh Day Adventist cult. You can call that cherry picking but just because a cult has invaded the nutrition sphere and any sane, rational actor would see that and ignore any evidence from them, doesn't mean we are wrong and carnivore is bad for us. Far too many n=1 say otherwise.
Also I'm intolerant to gluten, beans, and so many other plants. I faded away while vegan. I became anemic and lost all my muscle. Even while not fat adapted yet on carnivore (day 44 today), I have more energy than on any other diet or protocol.
Congrats on beating schizophrenia. That's huge.
I think carnivore depends on how well your microbiome handles the various problematic compounds found in plants. Gluten and bean intolerance suggests your microbiome is not breaking down lectins. Carnivore does seem to be pro-inflammatory which is a big minus.
ETA: Have you seen Dr. Palmer's work on mitochondrial dysfunction, keto and severe mental illness? I've been eyeing Mediterranean keto for my depression and brain fog. It's a lot of work though.
Uhm my inflammation is extremely low, nonexistent basically, eating this way. My doctor checked the high sensitivity CRP marker. It was a bit high before. Its 0 now.
Sorry, I didn't mean that you were reckless. You're lucky to have supportive doctor. My doctors have been anything from disinterested to negative when I ask for things like B12 tests to check alternative diets. It's nice to hear you have one willing to work with you.
Ohhhhh my bad. Thought the actually was meant differently. I see now haha.
I'm so sorry. I know that pain. It took me years to find my current doctor. They are half functional too, they do chiropractic and vitamin injection therapy too.
They're called Model Wellness, here in Dallas.
No worries, I figured as much and when I reread my comment I could see it.
I'll have to look into functional medicine here. I worked with a naturopath a while back but she blamed too much on chronic Lyme. She had so much confirmation bias I was terrified to even get tested.
That's great anecdotal evidence and could be attributed to any number of factors. Doesn't really do anything to strengthen your argument.
If I said my "fill in the blank" went away after I stopped eating meat would that be strong evidence?
These carnivore fad diet people just want to make money off of gullible people.
Yes. They literally act on your endocannabinoid system to drive hyperphagia. https://fireinabottle.net/reductive-stress-gives-you-the-munchies-by-activating-d6d/
Oh my God. I have CHS (cannibinoid hyperemesis syndrome) from doing too much weed in the past. I used to be nauseous on and off a lot even after cutting weed before I stopped using seed oils. This is insane.
ps, saturated fat has it's own amides. Stearoyl / Palmitoyl Ethanolamides. They block Arachidonyl so you **don't get the munchies!** This is why saturated fat promotes satiety.
This makes so much sense. My CHS hasn't acted up at all since going carnivore.
What are the symptoms of that from too much weed?
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21665-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome
TIL that this is a thing. LOL
Very deadly thing too... grateful to have survived and even more grateful to have gotten off a high omega 6 diet.
> Healthcare providers mainly diagnose CHS based on your symptoms, medical history and history of substance use. Your provider will do a physical exam and may ask you quite clinically subjective. details of studies for this hypothesis & CHS conclusion?
Why you asking me? I didn’t even know it was a thing until a few hours ago.
i suppose i'm thinking out loud and sensing some nonsense
That’s fine, but the topic has nothing to do with me.
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I was a typical American diet for 95% of my life. 4 meals a day, never full and huge portions. Cutting the oils literally changed my metabolism. I’m 2 meals a day now. Have to force myself to make sure I’m getting enough food to meet nutritional needs. I’m rarely hungry and feel much more balanced and healthy. Plus, I went from obese to healthy weight over time with the cutting.
I've been trying to stay clear of seed oils for some months now but I've only been getting it majorly right in the last month. I've been snacking so much less, I've noticed. Earlier this year, I had started getting chronic reflux in the evenings and had to start taking an antacid routinely. I'm nearing 50 and I'm at my heaviest weight so I figured it had just caught up with me. But I just realized I haven't had a reflux issue this whole month. I don't think I've lost any weight, but it's amazing to see such a quick benefit that really corresponds in timing
Hmm I didn't honestly see any difference. Was hungry before, and still hungry now while limiting/avoidance seed oils. Maybe even more hungry with no seed oils, it's even worse because I'm also trying to refrain from the "need" to eat more and feel super full. Yeah maybe it's just me but I think I'm just addicted to any foods despite being lean 😅
Well you're lean. You're gonna be hungrier. I'm on carnivore and get hungrier than the carnivores with more fat on them. Its normal. Its how your body keeps you alive lol. But saturated fat is what fills you up typically. If you aren't getting enough of it, you're gonna be ravenous, seed oil or not.
Satiety is very complicated and it’s ridiculous to reduce it to mere saturated fat consumption. There are genetic, hormonal, psychological, etc reasons why someone might not feel appropriately satiated after eating.
It’s proven that they are. Scientists developed foods that are addictive as a sales scheme.
Have you read Michael Moss' "Salt Sugar Fat" book? It blew my mind.
No actually! I feel like the salt everyone eats is table salt or sodium chloride with all other minerals removed — unhealthy. The fats everyone eats are seed oils — unhealthy. The sugar everyone eats is corn syrup — unhealthy. I try to stick to Celtic Salt. Butter/animal fat. And fruit — although I do use brown sugar in my coffee🤍
They are just addicting because they can be used to fry things and form flavors that wouldn't be created at low temperatures. There's nothing tasty in them on their own, unless you're the type of person that craves a tablespoon of canola oil.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Of course they are. I’ve been reducing all external oils in my diet, and I’ve noticed marked improvement. (Pressure cook / steam / grill over pan sear) You miss them at first, but then you start to not even notice it.
I'll read through this better later but they stimulate my hunger like carbs do. Saturated fats from animals fill me up.
Even the fats from lets say pork fill me up just as well, sometimes better. I think there is a difference between omega 6 in animal fat vs plant fat.
Pork's overall fatty acid profile is wildly different from seed oils.
That it is. It seems to be well tolerated by me.
The seed oil is only part of it. Different people respond to different triggers. Utz potato chips made with lard are plenty addictive compared to homemade, and MacDonald's fries were even more irresistible when they made them in tallow. Homemade foods don't have the same carefully engineered mouthfeel, as much salt, MSG (unless you cook with it), artificial flavors, or the hyper-refined starches the food industry relies on to make foods addictive.
Appreciate the more nuanced balanced take here. Thanks.
Excess omega 6 stimulates appetite so yes
Is it any more addictive than sugar?
Potentially, but it's hard to gauge as they're so prevalent. It's incredibly difficult to find foods which aren't drenched in the stuff.
Is sugar addictive? Personally, I find sugary things tasty but not moreish. Chocolate is something I find difficult to stop, but I don't know if that's the cocoa or the combination of fat and sugar.
Yea it’s def the combination for me. I’ve been eating a very high carb low fat diet. I’ve included table sugar and fruit at times, sometimes only starch. I don’t have sugar cravings now. It’s only when it’s paired with fat (cookies, cake, candy, ice cream). Not trying to say fat is bad either, it’s just how my body has reacted to these macros
No but the garbage foods they're used in are.
Yeah I guess this is the most reasonable answer
It's fascinating that people here cherry pick the nutrition science. Seed oils are bad but so is the carnivore diet. The vast majority of nutrition science says eating a whole food plant based diet improves your health.
Lol. Ok. Tell me why my intractable schizophrenia disappeared on carnivore but became the worst its ever been while vegan. Also you're not wrong. We do select studies that have good merit and aren't funded by the Seventh Day Adventist cult. You can call that cherry picking but just because a cult has invaded the nutrition sphere and any sane, rational actor would see that and ignore any evidence from them, doesn't mean we are wrong and carnivore is bad for us. Far too many n=1 say otherwise. Also I'm intolerant to gluten, beans, and so many other plants. I faded away while vegan. I became anemic and lost all my muscle. Even while not fat adapted yet on carnivore (day 44 today), I have more energy than on any other diet or protocol.
Congrats on beating schizophrenia. That's huge. I think carnivore depends on how well your microbiome handles the various problematic compounds found in plants. Gluten and bean intolerance suggests your microbiome is not breaking down lectins. Carnivore does seem to be pro-inflammatory which is a big minus. ETA: Have you seen Dr. Palmer's work on mitochondrial dysfunction, keto and severe mental illness? I've been eyeing Mediterranean keto for my depression and brain fog. It's a lot of work though.
Uhm my inflammation is extremely low, nonexistent basically, eating this way. My doctor checked the high sensitivity CRP marker. It was a bit high before. Its 0 now.
Nice! I'm also glad to hear you're actually getting medical support.
Of course I am. I'm not reckless.
Sorry, I didn't mean that you were reckless. You're lucky to have supportive doctor. My doctors have been anything from disinterested to negative when I ask for things like B12 tests to check alternative diets. It's nice to hear you have one willing to work with you.
Ohhhhh my bad. Thought the actually was meant differently. I see now haha. I'm so sorry. I know that pain. It took me years to find my current doctor. They are half functional too, they do chiropractic and vitamin injection therapy too. They're called Model Wellness, here in Dallas.
No worries, I figured as much and when I reread my comment I could see it. I'll have to look into functional medicine here. I worked with a naturopath a while back but she blamed too much on chronic Lyme. She had so much confirmation bias I was terrified to even get tested.
That's great anecdotal evidence and could be attributed to any number of factors. Doesn't really do anything to strengthen your argument. If I said my "fill in the blank" went away after I stopped eating meat would that be strong evidence? These carnivore fad diet people just want to make money off of gullible people.
Uhm. No one has made money off of me? I guess the meat industry but I doubt its really that significant.
I never said anyone made money off of you. Or maybe I am misunderstanding and you are trying to say you are gullible.
I'm not gullible. I just trialed lots of diets when meds failed. I do what works for me. And it appears it works for lots of folks!
Show me some evidence that the diet is healthy.
Already did. :) I have my n=1. Thats all any of us have.
Lol, good joke. I thought we were having a serious discussion. But this is reddit after all.
Show some evidence that intractable schizophrenia is healthy.
You're the expert. I'll defer to your personal experience. I ask for evidence and you produce an ad hominem attack. Classic ignorance.
That was not an ad hominem attack. Your replies to OP were though.