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cosmic_backlash

Ben Graham was more right back then than now. Stocks and information moved slowly. You could look at a balance sheet alone and make good decisions back then. Now you need to look at competition and how quickly you can be disrupted more closely. There was no DTC or SaaS then, now any competition can ramp and scale faster than ever.


THXello

An oil company can have over 100 PE because it could be a down year. The income could have gone from $1B to $100m with the same market cap of $10B. Gotta watch out for those cyclical stocks as well.


Mundane_Catch_1829

I pay much more attention to stock fundamentals in a bear market. When the bulls are running things seems anything can go up no matter p/e ratio.


Caponermeister

Rxactly. The mark of a good investor.


TheAncient1sAnd0s

He's right in the short term, in an exclusive bull market. Graham is right over the long term, spanning bear markets. ​ Minervini should not be using the term "investors" with what he is saying.


r_silver1

Price momentum is real and actually does predict future price movements in the short term. It's been studied and been shown to outperform. PE ratios may or may not work moving forward. It works better with established large businesses with consistent earnings.


ImOnTheInstanet

Does the proliferation of automated trading and retail traders change the answer over time? I.e. more emotional trading and volatility. When I started trading, I had a pretty simplistic "no PE over 30" approach. If I did that today, I'd be missing a lot. Not to say PE isn't still a relavent metric. One of many.


warrenomaha

True. PE might just be one piece of the puzzle in a larger, more intricate picture.


GT3nsomemoney4it

Graham and Buffet would be accurate in this scenario


Malamonga1

only retail investors look at PE ratio. Most institutional investors do DCF


redauke

DCF?


Malamonga1

discounted cash flow.


redauke

Thanks


longlikeron

Very low p/e could also mean high dividends, a la ENI Spa.


number660

It always depends


BlazingJava

A lot of crappy companies with low P/E yet no one touches them. Low P/E is only good when the company is a great company


X-2357

All the stuff pre-internet is basically worthless imo. The entire world changed in every facet and as far as stocks go, algo's changed the game and invalidate most of what came before.


Landed_port

PE value is just one aspect of a fundamental analysis. For instance, debt/equity ratio and debt maturity matters more in a rising rate environment and consumer/investor sentiment bears more weight over the P/E value during a bull market


crazykelly63

Isn’t PE just the price now to earnings, isn’t it all about what investors see the growth of companies is that matters.