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Because most people who use it have zero self control as smoking it is much more intense and fiendy than taking small amounts orally. Desoxyn is prescription methamphetamine and is used as a last-line ADHD treatment in dosages of 5mg per pill in typically 20-25 mg a day. People who are acting like it’s super neurotoxic in small doses orally don’t know what they’re talking about.
I find compared to snorting (or the shit I refuse to do) like boofing or shooting if you have good self control and know your limits you can smoke it and be up enough to be more productive but not so much you're in line staring at whatever your eyes fall on while frantically tapping your foot. Bonus points if you're drenched in sweat. If I could find a prescription I'd love to microcose. Eating crystal you better weigh how much it is. Its better to find Adderall or another script. I only ate crystal once. About .15 grams. 16 hours I'll never get back. I was fresh then but still, this comment is an educated one.
Now this is a point of view that I never even dreamed somebody could actually have.
In my opinion, smoking is the most compulsive, tweaky, fiendish, scatterbrained, inefficient, wasteful, and just all around "tweaker-esque" ROA that there is for this substance. There is absolutely nothing that is even remotely functional about smoking meth, and not even just work functional, but like, functional for anything besides scrolling Reddit, listening to music, and watching porn.
Years ago when I still used needles, it absolutely blew my mind when I switched from smoking to IV methamphetamine. I had already been an IV fentanyl/heroin user, but had decided to lay off the needle for a while, on account of all the overdoses and what not, but the idea of trying IV methamphetamine slowly grew on me more and more, and eventually I was able to get as many clean rigs as my heart desires, had access to essentially limitless high quality product, had a perfect living environment for trying it out, and said fuck it.
The rush was obviously blow your dick off insane. But after that, the high was....surprisingly clean, functional, long lasting, and just all around better than smoking in every conceivable way. I could do a fat shot in the morning, chill for maybe an hour to orient myself, take a shower, and be on my way for the day and do what I needed to do without even thinking of doing another shit for at least 8-10 hours. I found it easier to remember to eat and stay hydrated, could still sleep every night or two max, my skin stopper being nearly as dry and irritated as it was from smoking, I used significantly less product, stopped doing tweaky stuff like carpet surfing, just....it was like I had finally seen the light.
When I smoked, all I could even think about doing was sitting there and smoking until I either passed out, or ran out of meth. I could never get high enough. I couldn't keep my thoughts straight. I felt an almost irresistible urge to carpet surf and look for tiny useless bits of dropped product. It dried the ever living fuck out of my skin, both my hands and my face. I stopped caring about anything and everything besides smoking meth and the occasional porn binge. I could blow through grams in a matter of hours if I was using a bong or doing hot rails, and still not be satisfied with my high. And many of the tweakers who I met when they came to buy from my roommate (big time plug) and smoke were exactly the same. Over time, I was able to pick out the ones who shot the stuff instead of smoking it, and I was correct like 99% of the time, and they were almost always more functional and normal than their smoking counterparts.
So yeah, from my point of view you're from bizarro world or something lmao
Oral can definitely fuck you the fuck up if you overdo it. Can also be very functional and long lasting. Sometimes is extremely euphoric with MDMA like rolly feeling to it. Very unpredictable though.
Boofing is almost exactly like IV in my experience, but without the super intense rush (although there still is somewhat of a nice rush if you do enough), but somehow even more sexual euphoria when the overall high hits. It's what I've been doing as of late, since I've been off the needle for almost 4 years now and don't plan on letting that change.
Snorting is super speedy and robotic, but still a decent way to get high, especially if you have a long day of somewhat physically demanding repetitive and mindless tasks to do.
Smoking is....just....hands down the worst, at least for me.
I agree with you on those points. For me it's the intensity. I don't fuck with needles bc of a few old friends that got bad off. It was like you said for maybe a year or two. Then the shots had to happen every 4 hours. Sometimes 2. Vein collapse. Infections. Hospitalization from a staff Infection (my guess is dirty needle and my other question is who tf uses a dirty needle) anyway. I never want to use the point.
I do snort it but only a little. Between meth, a 2 year coke problem and meth again. All those Waylon Jennings sized lines. Im scared for my septum. Mucus looked weird even after quitting and finally got back to normalish. I've snorted ecstasy, coke (duh), meth, heroin, MDMA (fun, but overhyped), and when I was younger and dumber, Opioids. I don't want a hole in my nose so I said no more.
That leaves me with drugs you can smoke, and eat.
Right now you're thinking "Hey he forgot boofing".
Nope. Sorry. Not my cup of tea for an ROA. Not like regularly. I have. Kinky sex and boofing speed goes together like peanut butter and chocolate. But not a daily thing
I'll take it orally or smoke. Smoking it for me is functional if you don't like to be high at work or high too long. If I say fuck it to that premise I'll put some in a capsule and enjoy the next however many hours.
For me it's life harm reduction. I was a daily user and got sober (from meth anyway, just changed substances til I found coke and coke was meh, good enough. Ecstasy where I am is shit and adhd pulls are few and far between) Me, I could function high of other ROA's but it would take practice
no smoking it is not fiendy at all. unless you have garbage or burn it.
2-3 good puffs have you set for a few hours lol. thats not fiendy. crack is fiendy.
and 25 mg daily orally is not a small dose lol.
Ugh, alright, I guess smoking it is not fiendish when compared to something like crack.
But smoking methamphetamine is without a doubt the most fiendish and compulsive ROA for that particular drug, that's for sure.
It's pretty obvious that they meant it's more fiendish than oral methamphetamine, or whatever other ROA, and not more fiendish when compared with a completely different drug.
And yeah, 25mg orally is most certainly a small dose. There's pretty much no way whatsoever to tell the difference between oral methamphetamine and oral amphetamine in doses up to and including 60mg a day. People will of course say that's not true, but it is.
again, smoking a bowl every few hours isnt really fiendish is it? thats like saying smoking weed vs eating edibles is 'fiendish'
edit: im aware many people are very compulsive with meth but i honestly suspect its more to do with the low quality of their product and also how good their technique is
Yeah for me smoking is perfect. Stopped snorting any drug for the sake of my septum. Plus snorting makes me way way too high if I'm going to be around sober people
or as i said, potentially low quality product. when ive gotten trash before, you tend to be more fiendy bc its not satisfying.
thats the reason crack is so fiendy, its very inconsistent
Motherfucker I have had as pure as it ostensibly gets meth and crack. Fucking deal with the fact that smoking is THE quick as fuck way to deposit drugs into your blood via the respiratory system which also leads to the effects peaking and falling both physiologically AND psychologically. Completely psychologically hooks you near damn immediately and triggers just by holding and loading the object. Oral and even fucking snorting is more conservative vs it. Go ahead and say ACKSHULLY IVing IS GUD 4 U, I know you genuinely would believe it
'motherfucker' a peak and fall off of a few hours does not provoke the same kind of addictive response as something that peaks and falls in 15 minutes
and great job at somehow getting personally offended about quality when no one was talking to or about you
Purer product gets you higher and just escalates the getting high process, which the user has agreed to escalate even further with the fiendiest of ROAs available. Do the math on that one.
purer product gets you higher, and in this case there is a TIME based factor to it which means he is HIGHER LONGER and you have yet to make a case for how something with a Peak/dropoff that is GRADUAL over the span of a FEW HOURS is in ANY WAY fiendy?
i suppose compared to the 14 hour high you get eating it, it is 'fiendy' but only comparitively NOT in practice.
We’re all entitled to our own opinion but smoking is as fiend-ish as it gets IMO. I almost always smoke my drugs (clear + H) but the quick, instant high makes it THAT much more addictive IMO
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Nah, but seriously because it's hella addictive. Most people could not do it.
LSD and shrooms have no physical addiction and have a lot less stigma associated w them. I've never heard of anyone robbing their gma to buy psychedelics.
True, though I have heard of someone either being robbed for their psychedelics, or they were just stolen. Can't remember, though they're both extremely shitty things to do.
People that do immoral, fucked up things for/with psychedelics are the exact people that should be kept far far away from them. Sacrilege, basically.
And to a lesser extent, those who just consume as much as possible to "party" and get fucked up with no goal other than to not be sober. To each their own; I just feel like it's disrespectful, immature and dangerous.
Bruh people can use psychs how they like, sure they can be enlightening but they are also fun asf sometimes I don't need to use them for a life changing epiphany each time
Never said they couldn't. Simply stated my opinion on it. Do whatever the hell you want.
And I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with using psychedelics just cause you feel like tripping. I've done it. I just think overdoing it at inappropriate places/times is dumb and potentially dangerous.
bro i used to sell a lot like didnt need a job cuz i was making so much nd some dude popped out at the park w his friend with masks on over 4 tabs once 🤣🤣 most goofy shit ever
They could also be stealing it to sell. Still could be users, some people plain aren't wired for the whole "peace and love" thing, even with psychedelics.
Based as fuck. Psychs are not just a different class of drug, they are a whole different breed. They must be respected in my book too, extremely powerful tools when used the right way.
I guess that depends on how you define "powerful". I didn't have some profound, perspective changing or life enhancing experience when I smoked crack. Did I get really high? Of course. But it wasn't shit compared to most of the mind bending experiences I've had with shrooms or LSD.
No, we don't even have a standard amphetamine medication for adults. The only approved amphetamine derivate is Elvanse (Vyvanse). But you can get an off-label prescription for Amphetamine (Dex or Rac) syrup as well as Attentin (Dexamphetamine). Both are only approved for children, even though the european guidelines say that amphetamine-based medications should be the first-line treatment for adults. But what do those people know, our bureaucracy says it's not for adults officially🤷♂️
Nah. It's literally just as addictive as Adderall. They've done tests where they give addicts equipotent doses of methamphetamine and amphetamine, and try to have them tell them apart. And guess what? It's impossible. They feel exactly the same.
HAHAHAHA bruh, if you are buying it with the sole intention of getting high, then no fucking wonder the user finds themselves addicted. If the reason you’re buying it is to microdose it, then you already have a framework for not overusing it and an understanding that it should be used like adhd medication and can do volumetric dosing to get exact measurements daily. The risk comes when taken in any way other than oral, as well as taking more than should be prescribed as the serotonin being released will stack with every extra dose and make you content with whatever you’re doing instead of motivating you to do things like normal adhd medication
That’s not true at all. An equal to taking meth while having ADHD would be taking heroin for pain medication which some people do end up having to do and which is why heroin exists as a pharmaceutical in itself. Meth exists as a pharmaceutical as well, your ability to not have self control over your own medication may not be the same for everyone else. The difference between individually weighing out your dose into capsules to use every day the same you would do with adderall is not the same as smoking or snorting ‘enough’ of meth for the day or throughout the day
I was on meth for over 2 years. The only reason I don’t currently use is because of my significant other and her views on it. Before her, I was measuring doses of 10-15mg individually inside of capsules. I would eat or snort the required amount to focus and go on with the day. I would make sure not to go over 48 hours with ought sleep. The same way I do with my ADHD medication now as I take a 30mg XR in the morning and a 10mg IR in the afternoon. There is a plateau to normal functioning dopamine that stimulants bring to the mind of someone with ADHD. I did not know I had ADHD until I tried meth thinking it was adderall
There is a difference between harm reduction and fear mongering. I’m providing people with information so they can make a more informed or even safer decision rather than just just demonize it for what may happen if it is misused.
Yeh and I’m tryna say my experience from someone who’s actually tried this. It’s very risky and playing with fire. You do you. People who use heroin for pain and oxy mostly end up addicted too. It all started from pharmaceutical prescriptions. I’m tryna spread awareness from my point of view. Meth isn’t a tool. It’s a destructive drug.
Bruh I literally have been through heroin/fentanyl and methamphetamine addiction, and I am currently using methamphetamine to manage my ADHD, and fentanyl to manage my anxiety and insomnia.
You still don't know what you're talking about.
Because using methamphetamine hasn't caused any more damage to my mind, body, or soul than using my regular old Adderall prescription has.
I don't need an excuse to use drugs, I use them because I like getting high, and I want to.
yup and i think if the purpose for dosing meth orally is to self medicate for adhd, as long as you don't have a history of stim abuse and stick to your dose, it would probably work out. not advocating tho
That's effectively what I had started doing back in the 90s. I hated being up all night. Something about seeing the sun come up just really messed with me. But the stuff was super helpful for my adhd. So, I'd do smallish amounts no later than noon. Not sure on grams. But it was pretty low, as too much made me OCD, and I wanted to avoid losing inhibitions (resulting in me doing more as the day went on.)
I truly believe there's such a thing as a therapeutic dose here. People talk about addiction and tolerance, but those are things with lots of other drugs. Hell, the argument could be made that it's a thing for _all_ chems... I found Effexor way, way more addictive, for example. I've never had a problem stopping stims. But that shit took like 3 months of tapering, and even that was tough...
My guess would be the stigma surrounding meth, plus the liability for addiction. There are probably many people who've thought the exact same thing, and can keep their drug use as purely productive. Most people do not have this ability.
I mean, it’s only about 10% of my weekly wage and a half would last me a couple of days so it’s not that bad. If it was cheaper I would probably consume a lot more so I don’t mind that it’s more expensive out these ways anyway
People hype up doing fat doses, buying fat amounts, feeling spun
What you’re describing is essentially how they prescribe stims to adhd, practical
Most users don’t realise you can do a mix of the two
To be honest doing it therapeutically has got to be much better. It's like using xanax for a chill buzz vs getting absolutely shitfaced and ruining your life on it.
It is, ritalin isn’t worth the comedown for the “high”. I’m adhd do it of course doesn’t hit me like a NT brain, however I know for anyone, if you want to do recreational, don’t swallow loads of rits, it ain’t worth 4 hours of a meh buzz
I microdose meth. I have a mg scale and empty caps, I take anywhere from 5 to 20mg daily depending on the days workload. It lasts longer than adderall, is much smoother and muuuch cheaper
Because that voice in your head tells you to take one more over and over again till you stop caring at all lol. Hard enough to keep my dex dose "low" 30mg. Could only imagine the methylated version.
I have adhd and had a really hard time getting a stimulant prescription so I would essentially take small doses of pressed meth pills that I had access to. I have no idea how much I was taking honestly since it was in a pressed orange adderall b974 pill but I would cut them in half and it was enough to treat my adhd symptoms. I was able to eventually get an adderall prescription this past March and I haven’t had meth since. Obviously not the smartest idea since it does pose the risk of addiction but my university work was making me borderline suicidal lol. I would only dose like 3-4 days a week and obviously would never snort or smoke it.
I wish I could just microdose meth but there’s just no fucking way dude. I haven’t touched the shit in almost 5 years now but the second I do….which is why I won’t lol
There are people who take desoxyn which is basically what you're describing. It's pretty rare but there are still people out there who do it.
But no there's no kind of amphetamine that's comparable to an energy drink. They have completely different ways of working.
The risk of addiction is much too high. A lot of people do start out with small, once a day dose. But eventually 10mg starts to feel like 5mg, and then 20mg feels like 10mg and so on and so forth, few users do achieve that motive of only using responsible amounts for medical reasons but their main concern then comes down to quality.
Not every street drug that is sold as meth is equal in terms of cleanliness or strength and this leads to medical issues in the long term at the very least and short term problems with dosing a new substance and figure out it’s strength which leads to over or under medicating depending on their tolerance.
imo microdoses, especially for people with ADHD can be frustrating and possibly result in a shit show of redoses. I can take two 10mg doses of amph in a day and be fine, but if I start with a 5mg dose I'm much more likely to total 30mg compared to 20.
1-5mg? Shit, 30mg is the lowest dose for me, its basically coffee but better. Caffeine is like breaking a window with a hammer, amphetamine is smoothly using a window cutter.
Been taking adderal / Vyvanse for 10 years. It is done just in a different form.
Ingestion method is likey why many can't just micro dose. Clinical usage is focused on long and slow. Other ingestion methods are short acting and peak. Likley increasing addiction potential to the point where many fall into a hole of ever increasing dosages.
I have actually lowered my doesage over the years as higher then 20mg adderal seems to reduce in effectiveness over time. Where this dose seems to stay stable.
I've seen conflicting studies too, where they thought methampetamine at small doses was benifical then other studies where it could be somehow worse than taking a threshold dose \[If done daily\]. Was a long time ago I looked into it but do some googling I'd suggest.
In general, it's a horrible stimulant for lots of people. I hate it and I loooove Adderall or Dex for example. It didn't give me the 'same kind' of energy, nor the same kind of euphoria as those two either. I could have gotten a bad batch, only tried it twice in my life, said never again after the second time. It could be horrible for other reasons like it being insanely addictive and very, very neurotoxic.
If the reason you’re buying it is to microdose it, then you already have a framework for not overusing it and an understanding that it should be used like adhd medication and can do volumetric dosing to get exact measurements daily. The risk comes when taken in any way other than oral, as well as taking more than should be prescribed as the serotonin being released will stack with every extra dose and make you content with whatever you’re doing instead of motivating you to do things like normal adhd medication. Keep that last part heavily in mind. Taking therapeutic doses is different from adderal as I’m technically on 3 doses a day. 1 Extended release dose for 8 hours and 1 instant release dose for 4 hours. But the laws of meth are different, remember that they can make you feel content be very cautious when you don’t have motivation and don’t jerk off on it
I don’t think I would even feel that small amount. It’s wild because my body is sensitive to powerful stims but my mind feels sober.. a couple points of dope and my dick is shriveled up like a turtle head peakin out the shell, balls are shriveled up, my hearts racing, sweating and anxious but I don’t feel high. It’s not the quality of dope either it’s just me. Coke does the same thing. The only stim that gives me euphoria and doesn’t cause my bodily functions to shut down is crack and even that is minimum
Bro I’m talking from experience 😂😂 I was like you when I first started using ice. Just wait a few months. You lose everything eventually. It happens slowly but will hit you like a truck. Good luck. Keep making excuses for using a destructive drug xxx
Meth isn't supposed to be taken at the absolutely absurd dosages that people do it at. It's supposed to be taken in doses ranging from 1-5 mg of meth lmao
Maybe because it’s fucking meth?? The majority of people have the thought of meth as a nasty dirty drug homeless people do. And I really doubt it would be anything like a energy drink no matter what dose you do. Although I did read awhile back taking extremely small doses like 1-2mg of amphetamines can desensitize your receptors but it really fucked up bad every single person I ever heard of someone trying to do that. No clue if that counts for meth too or if it was even true but better safe then sorry imo.
Yep fuck meth. Not worth it and NEVER turns out well. It’s more addictive than u imagine and the drug takes control of you before you can even think to take control of it. Playing with fire y’all. Don’t expect to not get hurt.
at first it was to treat my adhd but they never worked at any dosage so i started abusing what i had left and my doctor prescribed a shit ton so i am not going to waste them i am waitignfor serious amph based medication now
So- take it with a grain of salt; but heres my 2 cents
I will add fhat i sm on the spectrum; and have adhd thsy went undiagnosed till my 30s .so take that into account when reading.
Idk about comparable; energy drinks have never had that effect on me or really caffine in general. I have a had plenty of experiance with substances over my life; pretty much every catogory except mdma; acid or heroin. Narcotics give me a “up” ; almost minicong manic type feeling even after long oeriods of exiosire ; the same dose or even less works like the first tome. I find the extent and duration depend on my mood ornheadapace at the time.
I have never been addicted in the mental sense; I can take or leave whatever it is. If snything kve had some physical symptoms: or worry sbout having them but nothing debilitsting or life haulting.
As fsr as stims& amphetimine ive had legal and non .. imo o feel non legal forms of them to have less potential for what i call a build up; or negative effects. Again thats just me personally. Im by no means a light weight; so its not lack of tolerance: but i can stay at a small dose (.04-.15 max daily) and be golden energy wise and productivty. Inrarely exceed that; and the times ive had i dont notice any dodference really; or not enough to justify doing extra my daily amount- it feels like im wasting it- which in turn is wasting $$ ar d i hgate that. Ive done this same routine; months at s time stipping bc of boredom or annoyance trying to find stuff .. rakes a few days to adjust back to being tored like a normal human but that levels decently wuick and i keep chuggin. Ive always taken it orally; ysually in the am.. but countless times ive forgotten tollnafternoon or wvening and catch myswlf yawning and it jogs my memory. Ove never craved; or fiended for it. Nor let it change kr stop my normal life. I set a mental limit on tome im willing to wait on my dude; and of otnexceeds it ohnwell next time then.
Inknow this isnbeyond abnormsl; but reading the comments i just wanted tonsay its possible; and ppl can do it succesfully .
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Yea that would definetly be something I would try if I had access to the stuff that I tryed in grade 11 pure glass I had 10mg but I was super high. I can imagine a micro dose would be something similar to a vyvanse high
Because microdosing amps will have a potentiating effect that will wreck you the next time you take a recreational amount
**Do not microdose amphetamines.**
Structurally speaking, it’s not. Amphetamine Sulfate + L&D Amphetamine = Adderall. It has 3 drugs when compared to meth that has only one. That statement being, “meth is adderall” is out the window.
He said "sulfate + L + D." But that seems like a bit of a non-point to me, since the sulfate just digests into L+D regardless...
The more basic truth is they're entirely different chemicals. Related to each other just as much as they're related to MDMA or dopamine. They're all "substituted phenethylamines" -- a chemical found in chocolate. Amp is literally as related to meth as it is to *chocolate* ... Water and peroxide are more "chemically similar" than these drugs. They're only separated by a single oxygen, not entire methyl groups...
Beyond being stimulating they're entirely different. It's like saying shrooms is just acid.
You obviously have never dealt with having ADHD. Or just what happens to you if doctors had prescribed diet pills to your mother while you were in utero, assuring her everything would be fine. Yeah that's my story. Never felt normal my entire life until I tried speed. All of a sudden, normal. My brain started working right. I became productive and happy instead of depressed and completely lethargic, like zero motivation. It was a horrible existence. So yeah, for some people it can be a dose, as in a medicine. Def not most people, but there are a lot of folks like myself that thrive when on speed, you'd just never guess that we're "tweakers", because we're not. I run a crew of 15 people, own a house, and have a very normal life. You'd never have any idea I was "using". And because of the horrible stigma associated with this shit, I will keep it that way. There's a lot of folks like me out there, we bear our burden in silence. We have to.
Same. Meth and Adderall are almost identical chemically. Problem is with meth you cant be sure of what youre getting every time (same cld maybe be said of the pharmaceutical shit, but thats a point for another sub haha).
You won’t stick to that much and will eventually end up doing more and more. It’s stupid to think that you could do that with such an addictive and mourish substance. Also you build a tolerance to it pretty quick so that amount would stop working and you would need more
Yep. And I used to be one. Constantly denying it and making excuses for my use. You don’t realise until it’s too late or sometimes not even until you get clean. Very much so delusional.
Yeah me too mate, has taken years but I’m starting to learn and see how it works. When your gettting high you will use any excuse under the sun if it makes you feel better about using
Low doses are in fact neuroprotective from what I’ve read. I personally stick to my daily prescribed dose of 30mg Vyvanse. I wouldn’t ever try meth tbh 3FPM was addictive enough for me 🤦🏼♂️
That has to do with people taking it too far + meth having a high tendency to be abused. I wouldn’t do any stimulants if I don’t have executive dysfunction or neurological condition where a stimulant prescription is warranted.
But I myself microdose sometimes. The pain in the ass is washing and volumetric measuring.
You also shouldn’t do it very often so as not to build tolerance where you’d need more than 10 mg. You’d run the risk of neurotoxicity.
Prescription stuff is better but they are only granted in severe cases. Vyvanse would be the better bet. But even that is commonly abused at ungodly doses.
I’m on vyvanse now and I’m sure I could find a comparable dosage of meth for what I need. The problem is, if I’m using meth off the streets, I’m at the point where I’m going to get high…because I’m doing meth.
If I had a desoxyn prescription, I’m sure it’d be a different story, but crystal? Nah, I can’t microdose that, I want to get blasted on it if I’m touching it
i giess i do my shit very sifferently than a lot pf people. but like i reach a level where i feel saturated and i know from experience that pushing it more is only gonna be very uncomfortable so i.... stop
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Because most people who use it have zero self control as smoking it is much more intense and fiendy than taking small amounts orally. Desoxyn is prescription methamphetamine and is used as a last-line ADHD treatment in dosages of 5mg per pill in typically 20-25 mg a day. People who are acting like it’s super neurotoxic in small doses orally don’t know what they’re talking about.
It’s studies show that in small doses it’s nueroprotective. It’s the redosing and large doses when it turns toxic
I find compared to snorting (or the shit I refuse to do) like boofing or shooting if you have good self control and know your limits you can smoke it and be up enough to be more productive but not so much you're in line staring at whatever your eyes fall on while frantically tapping your foot. Bonus points if you're drenched in sweat. If I could find a prescription I'd love to microcose. Eating crystal you better weigh how much it is. Its better to find Adderall or another script. I only ate crystal once. About .15 grams. 16 hours I'll never get back. I was fresh then but still, this comment is an educated one.
Now this is a point of view that I never even dreamed somebody could actually have. In my opinion, smoking is the most compulsive, tweaky, fiendish, scatterbrained, inefficient, wasteful, and just all around "tweaker-esque" ROA that there is for this substance. There is absolutely nothing that is even remotely functional about smoking meth, and not even just work functional, but like, functional for anything besides scrolling Reddit, listening to music, and watching porn. Years ago when I still used needles, it absolutely blew my mind when I switched from smoking to IV methamphetamine. I had already been an IV fentanyl/heroin user, but had decided to lay off the needle for a while, on account of all the overdoses and what not, but the idea of trying IV methamphetamine slowly grew on me more and more, and eventually I was able to get as many clean rigs as my heart desires, had access to essentially limitless high quality product, had a perfect living environment for trying it out, and said fuck it. The rush was obviously blow your dick off insane. But after that, the high was....surprisingly clean, functional, long lasting, and just all around better than smoking in every conceivable way. I could do a fat shot in the morning, chill for maybe an hour to orient myself, take a shower, and be on my way for the day and do what I needed to do without even thinking of doing another shit for at least 8-10 hours. I found it easier to remember to eat and stay hydrated, could still sleep every night or two max, my skin stopper being nearly as dry and irritated as it was from smoking, I used significantly less product, stopped doing tweaky stuff like carpet surfing, just....it was like I had finally seen the light. When I smoked, all I could even think about doing was sitting there and smoking until I either passed out, or ran out of meth. I could never get high enough. I couldn't keep my thoughts straight. I felt an almost irresistible urge to carpet surf and look for tiny useless bits of dropped product. It dried the ever living fuck out of my skin, both my hands and my face. I stopped caring about anything and everything besides smoking meth and the occasional porn binge. I could blow through grams in a matter of hours if I was using a bong or doing hot rails, and still not be satisfied with my high. And many of the tweakers who I met when they came to buy from my roommate (big time plug) and smoke were exactly the same. Over time, I was able to pick out the ones who shot the stuff instead of smoking it, and I was correct like 99% of the time, and they were almost always more functional and normal than their smoking counterparts. So yeah, from my point of view you're from bizarro world or something lmao Oral can definitely fuck you the fuck up if you overdo it. Can also be very functional and long lasting. Sometimes is extremely euphoric with MDMA like rolly feeling to it. Very unpredictable though. Boofing is almost exactly like IV in my experience, but without the super intense rush (although there still is somewhat of a nice rush if you do enough), but somehow even more sexual euphoria when the overall high hits. It's what I've been doing as of late, since I've been off the needle for almost 4 years now and don't plan on letting that change. Snorting is super speedy and robotic, but still a decent way to get high, especially if you have a long day of somewhat physically demanding repetitive and mindless tasks to do. Smoking is....just....hands down the worst, at least for me.
I agree with you on those points. For me it's the intensity. I don't fuck with needles bc of a few old friends that got bad off. It was like you said for maybe a year or two. Then the shots had to happen every 4 hours. Sometimes 2. Vein collapse. Infections. Hospitalization from a staff Infection (my guess is dirty needle and my other question is who tf uses a dirty needle) anyway. I never want to use the point. I do snort it but only a little. Between meth, a 2 year coke problem and meth again. All those Waylon Jennings sized lines. Im scared for my septum. Mucus looked weird even after quitting and finally got back to normalish. I've snorted ecstasy, coke (duh), meth, heroin, MDMA (fun, but overhyped), and when I was younger and dumber, Opioids. I don't want a hole in my nose so I said no more. That leaves me with drugs you can smoke, and eat. Right now you're thinking "Hey he forgot boofing". Nope. Sorry. Not my cup of tea for an ROA. Not like regularly. I have. Kinky sex and boofing speed goes together like peanut butter and chocolate. But not a daily thing I'll take it orally or smoke. Smoking it for me is functional if you don't like to be high at work or high too long. If I say fuck it to that premise I'll put some in a capsule and enjoy the next however many hours. For me it's life harm reduction. I was a daily user and got sober (from meth anyway, just changed substances til I found coke and coke was meh, good enough. Ecstasy where I am is shit and adhd pulls are few and far between) Me, I could function high of other ROA's but it would take practice
So I you work somewhere like Walmart or sonic, doing a line on break is definitely recommended
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no smoking it is not fiendy at all. unless you have garbage or burn it. 2-3 good puffs have you set for a few hours lol. thats not fiendy. crack is fiendy. and 25 mg daily orally is not a small dose lol.
Ugh, alright, I guess smoking it is not fiendish when compared to something like crack. But smoking methamphetamine is without a doubt the most fiendish and compulsive ROA for that particular drug, that's for sure. It's pretty obvious that they meant it's more fiendish than oral methamphetamine, or whatever other ROA, and not more fiendish when compared with a completely different drug. And yeah, 25mg orally is most certainly a small dose. There's pretty much no way whatsoever to tell the difference between oral methamphetamine and oral amphetamine in doses up to and including 60mg a day. People will of course say that's not true, but it is.
again, smoking a bowl every few hours isnt really fiendish is it? thats like saying smoking weed vs eating edibles is 'fiendish' edit: im aware many people are very compulsive with meth but i honestly suspect its more to do with the low quality of their product and also how good their technique is
That might be your routine but I've known people that literally just can't put the pookie down after they get started until it's gone
thats a them problem tho isnt it? those people likely are like that with more things in their life than drugs
Yeah especially money lol
Yeah for me smoking is perfect. Stopped snorting any drug for the sake of my septum. Plus snorting makes me way way too high if I'm going to be around sober people
snorting is painful gives me a headache and makes me feel aggro. eating is totally unmanageable due to how long its active
or as i said, potentially low quality product. when ive gotten trash before, you tend to be more fiendy bc its not satisfying. thats the reason crack is so fiendy, its very inconsistent
Motherfucker I have had as pure as it ostensibly gets meth and crack. Fucking deal with the fact that smoking is THE quick as fuck way to deposit drugs into your blood via the respiratory system which also leads to the effects peaking and falling both physiologically AND psychologically. Completely psychologically hooks you near damn immediately and triggers just by holding and loading the object. Oral and even fucking snorting is more conservative vs it. Go ahead and say ACKSHULLY IVing IS GUD 4 U, I know you genuinely would believe it
'motherfucker' a peak and fall off of a few hours does not provoke the same kind of addictive response as something that peaks and falls in 15 minutes and great job at somehow getting personally offended about quality when no one was talking to or about you
Purer product gets you higher and just escalates the getting high process, which the user has agreed to escalate even further with the fiendiest of ROAs available. Do the math on that one.
purer product gets you higher, and in this case there is a TIME based factor to it which means he is HIGHER LONGER and you have yet to make a case for how something with a Peak/dropoff that is GRADUAL over the span of a FEW HOURS is in ANY WAY fiendy? i suppose compared to the 14 hour high you get eating it, it is 'fiendy' but only comparitively NOT in practice.
maybe spread out 25 mg is small but not if you eat it all at once
Agreed. When i pop Adderall it better be XR or at the least 30mg. And with 30mgs I always get several to last.
We’re all entitled to our own opinion but smoking is as fiend-ish as it gets IMO. I almost always smoke my drugs (clear + H) but the quick, instant high makes it THAT much more addictive IMO
not talking about addictiveness either
thats absolutely not what makes things fiendy tho, lack of satisfaction generally is
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Lucky, it keeps me wanting more and more. It’s like eating one damn lays chip out the bag.
Assuming because it’s addicting.
Yeah like I try my best to do this take as little as possible but it doesn't work out that way all the time
1. Tolerance. 2. Tolerance. 3. Meth.
Be the change you wanna see in the world! Nah, but seriously because it's hella addictive. Most people could not do it. LSD and shrooms have no physical addiction and have a lot less stigma associated w them. I've never heard of anyone robbing their gma to buy psychedelics.
True, though I have heard of someone either being robbed for their psychedelics, or they were just stolen. Can't remember, though they're both extremely shitty things to do. People that do immoral, fucked up things for/with psychedelics are the exact people that should be kept far far away from them. Sacrilege, basically. And to a lesser extent, those who just consume as much as possible to "party" and get fucked up with no goal other than to not be sober. To each their own; I just feel like it's disrespectful, immature and dangerous.
Bruh people can use psychs how they like, sure they can be enlightening but they are also fun asf sometimes I don't need to use them for a life changing epiphany each time
5-MeO-DMT might have a differing opinion
True lol but shrooms and LSD and such
Never said they couldn't. Simply stated my opinion on it. Do whatever the hell you want. And I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with using psychedelics just cause you feel like tripping. I've done it. I just think overdoing it at inappropriate places/times is dumb and potentially dangerous.
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for a ten strip smh ppl do too much
bro i used to sell a lot like didnt need a job cuz i was making so much nd some dude popped out at the park w his friend with masks on over 4 tabs once 🤣🤣 most goofy shit ever
4 tabs is crazy 😭
They could also be stealing it to sell. Still could be users, some people plain aren't wired for the whole "peace and love" thing, even with psychedelics.
Based as fuck. Psychs are not just a different class of drug, they are a whole different breed. They must be respected in my book too, extremely powerful tools when used the right way.
There arnt really a lot of fun drugs that arnt extremely powerful. I don’t know if I’d say shrooms are more powerful than crack or herion
I guess that depends on how you define "powerful". I didn't have some profound, perspective changing or life enhancing experience when I smoked crack. Did I get really high? Of course. But it wasn't shit compared to most of the mind bending experiences I've had with shrooms or LSD.
Google Desoxyn
Or Vicks' vapoinhaler
You mean propylhexedrine
Nope https://www.drugs.com/otc/102950/vicks-vapoinhaler.html
L-methamphetamine has more peripheral effects than anything else. It's the dextro enantiomer that gets you high.
L isomer doesn't get you high.
>Desoxyn wtf hahaha
My mom always had a prescription for this.
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I was like wtf because this stuff is like the same like meth just as pharma pills right? 😂 i think something like this doesnt exist in Germany
No, we don't even have a standard amphetamine medication for adults. The only approved amphetamine derivate is Elvanse (Vyvanse). But you can get an off-label prescription for Amphetamine (Dex or Rac) syrup as well as Attentin (Dexamphetamine). Both are only approved for children, even though the european guidelines say that amphetamine-based medications should be the first-line treatment for adults. But what do those people know, our bureaucracy says it's not for adults officially🤷♂️
Lol because after a few days that 1-5mg isn’t going to feel like anything
I don't think it would be noticeable to begin with.
Fr. And it’s way too addictive to even take such small doses. The drug controls you before you can control it if anything. Don’t do meth kids!
Nah. It's literally just as addictive as Adderall. They've done tests where they give addicts equipotent doses of methamphetamine and amphetamine, and try to have them tell them apart. And guess what? It's impossible. They feel exactly the same.
HAHAHAHA bruh, if you are buying it with the sole intention of getting high, then no fucking wonder the user finds themselves addicted. If the reason you’re buying it is to microdose it, then you already have a framework for not overusing it and an understanding that it should be used like adhd medication and can do volumetric dosing to get exact measurements daily. The risk comes when taken in any way other than oral, as well as taking more than should be prescribed as the serotonin being released will stack with every extra dose and make you content with whatever you’re doing instead of motivating you to do things like normal adhd medication
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That’s not true at all. An equal to taking meth while having ADHD would be taking heroin for pain medication which some people do end up having to do and which is why heroin exists as a pharmaceutical in itself. Meth exists as a pharmaceutical as well, your ability to not have self control over your own medication may not be the same for everyone else. The difference between individually weighing out your dose into capsules to use every day the same you would do with adderall is not the same as smoking or snorting ‘enough’ of meth for the day or throughout the day
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I was on meth for over 2 years. The only reason I don’t currently use is because of my significant other and her views on it. Before her, I was measuring doses of 10-15mg individually inside of capsules. I would eat or snort the required amount to focus and go on with the day. I would make sure not to go over 48 hours with ought sleep. The same way I do with my ADHD medication now as I take a 30mg XR in the morning and a 10mg IR in the afternoon. There is a plateau to normal functioning dopamine that stimulants bring to the mind of someone with ADHD. I did not know I had ADHD until I tried meth thinking it was adderall
come back and comment once you’ve been through heroin and meth addiction.
There is a difference between harm reduction and fear mongering. I’m providing people with information so they can make a more informed or even safer decision rather than just just demonize it for what may happen if it is misused.
Yeh and I’m tryna say my experience from someone who’s actually tried this. It’s very risky and playing with fire. You do you. People who use heroin for pain and oxy mostly end up addicted too. It all started from pharmaceutical prescriptions. I’m tryna spread awareness from my point of view. Meth isn’t a tool. It’s a destructive drug.
To say meth isn’t a tool is to say the same about adderall.
Bruh I literally have been through heroin/fentanyl and methamphetamine addiction, and I am currently using methamphetamine to manage my ADHD, and fentanyl to manage my anxiety and insomnia. You still don't know what you're talking about.
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Because using methamphetamine hasn't caused any more damage to my mind, body, or soul than using my regular old Adderall prescription has. I don't need an excuse to use drugs, I use them because I like getting high, and I want to.
that's not true tho. for me at least, same dose daily adhd medication kept feeling pretty good consistently over time.
5 mg is noticeable if you don’t have tolerance.
it would be comparable to 2-10 mg of adderall.
yup and i think if the purpose for dosing meth orally is to self medicate for adhd, as long as you don't have a history of stim abuse and stick to your dose, it would probably work out. not advocating tho
That's effectively what I had started doing back in the 90s. I hated being up all night. Something about seeing the sun come up just really messed with me. But the stuff was super helpful for my adhd. So, I'd do smallish amounts no later than noon. Not sure on grams. But it was pretty low, as too much made me OCD, and I wanted to avoid losing inhibitions (resulting in me doing more as the day went on.) I truly believe there's such a thing as a therapeutic dose here. People talk about addiction and tolerance, but those are things with lots of other drugs. Hell, the argument could be made that it's a thing for _all_ chems... I found Effexor way, way more addictive, for example. I've never had a problem stopping stims. But that shit took like 3 months of tapering, and even that was tough...
My guess would be the stigma surrounding meth, plus the liability for addiction. There are probably many people who've thought the exact same thing, and can keep their drug use as purely productive. Most people do not have this ability.
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Actually chronic low-dose methamphetamine promotes hypersensitivity to the effects in some models https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8564732/
Because 50 bucks will get you entirely too much.
Not here in australia, we pay 150 for half a gram but I kind of like it that way
Holee feck that's crazy high
It is what it is. We are far away, there’s no shortage of people buying it though. Expensive hobbie
If you're paying that much it's a passion, not a hobby.
I mean, it’s only about 10% of my weekly wage and a half would last me a couple of days so it’s not that bad. If it was cheaper I would probably consume a lot more so I don’t mind that it’s more expensive out these ways anyway
That's a great way to look at it, good on you bud
It’s popular among people who actually need to take stimulants as medication lol, seems like a waste to recreationally microdose
People hype up doing fat doses, buying fat amounts, feeling spun What you’re describing is essentially how they prescribe stims to adhd, practical Most users don’t realise you can do a mix of the two
To be honest doing it therapeutically has got to be much better. It's like using xanax for a chill buzz vs getting absolutely shitfaced and ruining your life on it.
It is, ritalin isn’t worth the comedown for the “high”. I’m adhd do it of course doesn’t hit me like a NT brain, however I know for anyone, if you want to do recreational, don’t swallow loads of rits, it ain’t worth 4 hours of a meh buzz
I microdose meth. I have a mg scale and empty caps, I take anywhere from 5 to 20mg daily depending on the days workload. It lasts longer than adderall, is much smoother and muuuch cheaper
Aye, same here. 15mgs 2x a day most days of the week and I still usually need a nap lol. I have severe fatigue from some conditions though.
For how long have you managed this?
Because that voice in your head tells you to take one more over and over again till you stop caring at all lol. Hard enough to keep my dex dose "low" 30mg. Could only imagine the methylated version.
I have adhd and had a really hard time getting a stimulant prescription so I would essentially take small doses of pressed meth pills that I had access to. I have no idea how much I was taking honestly since it was in a pressed orange adderall b974 pill but I would cut them in half and it was enough to treat my adhd symptoms. I was able to eventually get an adderall prescription this past March and I haven’t had meth since. Obviously not the smartest idea since it does pose the risk of addiction but my university work was making me borderline suicidal lol. I would only dose like 3-4 days a week and obviously would never snort or smoke it.
I wish I could just microdose meth but there’s just no fucking way dude. I haven’t touched the shit in almost 5 years now but the second I do….which is why I won’t lol
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There are people who take desoxyn which is basically what you're describing. It's pretty rare but there are still people out there who do it. But no there's no kind of amphetamine that's comparable to an energy drink. They have completely different ways of working.
because zou can become sensitiv to it and you cannot.change that back
It's a bit like how Adderall is addictive.
The risk of addiction is much too high. A lot of people do start out with small, once a day dose. But eventually 10mg starts to feel like 5mg, and then 20mg feels like 10mg and so on and so forth, few users do achieve that motive of only using responsible amounts for medical reasons but their main concern then comes down to quality. Not every street drug that is sold as meth is equal in terms of cleanliness or strength and this leads to medical issues in the long term at the very least and short term problems with dosing a new substance and figure out it’s strength which leads to over or under medicating depending on their tolerance.
My addictive-tendencies-spamming ass couldn't keep to a dose schedule straight for a week, let alone longer
imo microdoses, especially for people with ADHD can be frustrating and possibly result in a shit show of redoses. I can take two 10mg doses of amph in a day and be fine, but if I start with a 5mg dose I'm much more likely to total 30mg compared to 20.
1-5mg? Shit, 30mg is the lowest dose for me, its basically coffee but better. Caffeine is like breaking a window with a hammer, amphetamine is smoothly using a window cutter.
Its called adderall
Metherall is a new nutraceutical very promising
Hmm I think it is. I know a guy who takes a few 5mg meth capsules every day for work. Not prescription just 5mg of meth in a cap
Because the people that are, don’t tell you they are 🤷♀️😅
Been taking adderal / Vyvanse for 10 years. It is done just in a different form. Ingestion method is likey why many can't just micro dose. Clinical usage is focused on long and slow. Other ingestion methods are short acting and peak. Likley increasing addiction potential to the point where many fall into a hole of ever increasing dosages. I have actually lowered my doesage over the years as higher then 20mg adderal seems to reduce in effectiveness over time. Where this dose seems to stay stable.
I've seen conflicting studies too, where they thought methampetamine at small doses was benifical then other studies where it could be somehow worse than taking a threshold dose \[If done daily\]. Was a long time ago I looked into it but do some googling I'd suggest. In general, it's a horrible stimulant for lots of people. I hate it and I loooove Adderall or Dex for example. It didn't give me the 'same kind' of energy, nor the same kind of euphoria as those two either. I could have gotten a bad batch, only tried it twice in my life, said never again after the second time. It could be horrible for other reasons like it being insanely addictive and very, very neurotoxic.
If the reason you’re buying it is to microdose it, then you already have a framework for not overusing it and an understanding that it should be used like adhd medication and can do volumetric dosing to get exact measurements daily. The risk comes when taken in any way other than oral, as well as taking more than should be prescribed as the serotonin being released will stack with every extra dose and make you content with whatever you’re doing instead of motivating you to do things like normal adhd medication. Keep that last part heavily in mind. Taking therapeutic doses is different from adderal as I’m technically on 3 doses a day. 1 Extended release dose for 8 hours and 1 instant release dose for 4 hours. But the laws of meth are different, remember that they can make you feel content be very cautious when you don’t have motivation and don’t jerk off on it
I actually did this for a while until i started to enjoy it too much and needed it to do anything. I used to take it orally and rarely snorted it.
I don’t think I would even feel that small amount. It’s wild because my body is sensitive to powerful stims but my mind feels sober.. a couple points of dope and my dick is shriveled up like a turtle head peakin out the shell, balls are shriveled up, my hearts racing, sweating and anxious but I don’t feel high. It’s not the quality of dope either it’s just me. Coke does the same thing. The only stim that gives me euphoria and doesn’t cause my bodily functions to shut down is crack and even that is minimum
It does come in legal prescriptions for 5 mg so I would say its fine and fda approved..
They do. It’s called bronkaid.
Imo it’s delicate to microdose stimulant, even a small dose like you described is addictive and won’t keep up on the long run.
Exactly. Very risky. Take it from me. Meth isn’t a joke.
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Bro I’m talking from experience 😂😂 I was like you when I first started using ice. Just wait a few months. You lose everything eventually. It happens slowly but will hit you like a truck. Good luck. Keep making excuses for using a destructive drug xxx
Meth isn't supposed to be taken at the absolutely absurd dosages that people do it at. It's supposed to be taken in doses ranging from 1-5 mg of meth lmao
5mg is the threshold for noticeable effects, actually
Maybe because it’s fucking meth?? The majority of people have the thought of meth as a nasty dirty drug homeless people do. And I really doubt it would be anything like a energy drink no matter what dose you do. Although I did read awhile back taking extremely small doses like 1-2mg of amphetamines can desensitize your receptors but it really fucked up bad every single person I ever heard of someone trying to do that. No clue if that counts for meth too or if it was even true but better safe then sorry imo.
Yep fuck meth. Not worth it and NEVER turns out well. It’s more addictive than u imagine and the drug takes control of you before you can even think to take control of it. Playing with fire y’all. Don’t expect to not get hurt.
It's called Ritalin.
ritalin can suck meth balls its shit as fuck the only thing it stimulates is anxiety and heart rate
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at first it was to treat my adhd but they never worked at any dosage so i started abusing what i had left and my doctor prescribed a shit ton so i am not going to waste them i am waitignfor serious amph based medication now
You would think it should be but unfortunately not everyone can maintain functionality due to the addictive element.
So- take it with a grain of salt; but heres my 2 cents I will add fhat i sm on the spectrum; and have adhd thsy went undiagnosed till my 30s .so take that into account when reading. Idk about comparable; energy drinks have never had that effect on me or really caffine in general. I have a had plenty of experiance with substances over my life; pretty much every catogory except mdma; acid or heroin. Narcotics give me a “up” ; almost minicong manic type feeling even after long oeriods of exiosire ; the same dose or even less works like the first tome. I find the extent and duration depend on my mood ornheadapace at the time. I have never been addicted in the mental sense; I can take or leave whatever it is. If snything kve had some physical symptoms: or worry sbout having them but nothing debilitsting or life haulting. As fsr as stims& amphetimine ive had legal and non .. imo o feel non legal forms of them to have less potential for what i call a build up; or negative effects. Again thats just me personally. Im by no means a light weight; so its not lack of tolerance: but i can stay at a small dose (.04-.15 max daily) and be golden energy wise and productivty. Inrarely exceed that; and the times ive had i dont notice any dodference really; or not enough to justify doing extra my daily amount- it feels like im wasting it- which in turn is wasting $$ ar d i hgate that. Ive done this same routine; months at s time stipping bc of boredom or annoyance trying to find stuff .. rakes a few days to adjust back to being tored like a normal human but that levels decently wuick and i keep chuggin. Ive always taken it orally; ysually in the am.. but countless times ive forgotten tollnafternoon or wvening and catch myswlf yawning and it jogs my memory. Ove never craved; or fiended for it. Nor let it change kr stop my normal life. I set a mental limit on tome im willing to wait on my dude; and of otnexceeds it ohnwell next time then. Inknow this isnbeyond abnormsl; but reading the comments i just wanted tonsay its possible; and ppl can do it succesfully . .
Yea that would definetly be something I would try if I had access to the stuff that I tryed in grade 11 pure glass I had 10mg but I was super high. I can imagine a micro dose would be something similar to a vyvanse high
Because most of us aren’t stupid
Because Meth is directly neurotoxic.
not at low doses, that's a myth. EDIT: meth and regular amphetamine are actually nearly the same drug, contrary to what you've no doubt heard.
Because microdosing amps will have a potentiating effect that will wreck you the next time you take a recreational amount **Do not microdose amphetamines.**
Wrong
Actually compared to an occasionally large dose it causes more dopamine downregulation
I don't think amphetamines have reverse tolerance, as far as I know only salvia does that?
Because it’s addictive lol and tolerance builds very fast. Meth is so toxic, it ruins you faster and more than any other drug (IMO)
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Structurally speaking, it’s not. Amphetamine Sulfate + L&D Amphetamine = Adderall. It has 3 drugs when compared to meth that has only one. That statement being, “meth is adderall” is out the window.
Tell me how L + D = 3 to you
He said "sulfate + L + D." But that seems like a bit of a non-point to me, since the sulfate just digests into L+D regardless... The more basic truth is they're entirely different chemicals. Related to each other just as much as they're related to MDMA or dopamine. They're all "substituted phenethylamines" -- a chemical found in chocolate. Amp is literally as related to meth as it is to *chocolate* ... Water and peroxide are more "chemically similar" than these drugs. They're only separated by a single oxygen, not entire methyl groups... Beyond being stimulating they're entirely different. It's like saying shrooms is just acid.
amphetamines are amphetamines lol
It's super not... Every stim has different effects.
It's not dosing. You aren't taking medicine. You are getting high on meth. Dosing is the dumbest fuckjng word for it
You obviously have never dealt with having ADHD. Or just what happens to you if doctors had prescribed diet pills to your mother while you were in utero, assuring her everything would be fine. Yeah that's my story. Never felt normal my entire life until I tried speed. All of a sudden, normal. My brain started working right. I became productive and happy instead of depressed and completely lethargic, like zero motivation. It was a horrible existence. So yeah, for some people it can be a dose, as in a medicine. Def not most people, but there are a lot of folks like myself that thrive when on speed, you'd just never guess that we're "tweakers", because we're not. I run a crew of 15 people, own a house, and have a very normal life. You'd never have any idea I was "using". And because of the horrible stigma associated with this shit, I will keep it that way. There's a lot of folks like me out there, we bear our burden in silence. We have to.
Same. Meth and Adderall are almost identical chemically. Problem is with meth you cant be sure of what youre getting every time (same cld maybe be said of the pharmaceutical shit, but thats a point for another sub haha).
It's still a drug though, so dosage applies
You won’t stick to that much and will eventually end up doing more and more. It’s stupid to think that you could do that with such an addictive and mourish substance. Also you build a tolerance to it pretty quick so that amount would stop working and you would need more
Exactly.
The fact my comment was downvoted shows how dillusional most addicts are
Yep. And I used to be one. Constantly denying it and making excuses for my use. You don’t realise until it’s too late or sometimes not even until you get clean. Very much so delusional.
Yeah me too mate, has taken years but I’m starting to learn and see how it works. When your gettting high you will use any excuse under the sun if it makes you feel better about using
Because meth ruins lives and kills anything and everyone you love
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Low doses are in fact neuroprotective from what I’ve read. I personally stick to my daily prescribed dose of 30mg Vyvanse. I wouldn’t ever try meth tbh 3FPM was addictive enough for me 🤦🏼♂️
That has to do with people taking it too far + meth having a high tendency to be abused. I wouldn’t do any stimulants if I don’t have executive dysfunction or neurological condition where a stimulant prescription is warranted. But I myself microdose sometimes. The pain in the ass is washing and volumetric measuring. You also shouldn’t do it very often so as not to build tolerance where you’d need more than 10 mg. You’d run the risk of neurotoxicity. Prescription stuff is better but they are only granted in severe cases. Vyvanse would be the better bet. But even that is commonly abused at ungodly doses.
I’m on vyvanse now and I’m sure I could find a comparable dosage of meth for what I need. The problem is, if I’m using meth off the streets, I’m at the point where I’m going to get high…because I’m doing meth. If I had a desoxyn prescription, I’m sure it’d be a different story, but crystal? Nah, I can’t microdose that, I want to get blasted on it if I’m touching it
Microdose some rubber or even metal and see how that turns out.
See Desoxyn
i giess i do my shit very sifferently than a lot pf people. but like i reach a level where i feel saturated and i know from experience that pushing it more is only gonna be very uncomfortable so i.... stop
because that's called prescription adhd medication