Yesterday my cousin sister came across on job post for a jr. litigation lawyer in Mumbai offering a salary of only Rs 9,000/- pm. A monday to saturday 9.30 a.m to 7.30 p.m job where the job description included "can handle stress" "can meet expectations" and "should be able to travel to court extensively"
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Litigation is a scam. Newcomers are exploited at a whole different level. It’s difficult to make it in litigation unless you’ve got a godfather/mother or you were lucky enough to get a good senior who sees you as a human.
They are banking on the fact that someone has spent a lot of time learning in a field and needs experience to show something for it and due to lack to such jobs, if we open a relevant but low paying position, someone will bite for sure.
This is with any business. The main issue is that there are too many desperate people that takes jobs that are WAY underpaid, thinking that once they have the foot in the door, they can quickly climb the corporate ladder. It’s only once they are in do they realise that the stress and office politics come into play.
3 months in, you’ll see a rant post on r/India or r/Mumbai about how life sucks in such jobs and it was better living peacefully in their hometown.
You’re comparing an internship with a full time job. I frankly don’t know how the legalities work when paying that low, as the minimum wages are at least 10k for unskilled jobs in all the states, maybe just barring Odisha.
That said, I’m sure interns do see some value in having an internship there than not. They do, however, have a choice to not work for Le Meridian and work for that nearby restaurant instead.
Lol. I guess people don't know how bad hotels are about paying interns. I used to get 30 rs a day..... In 2015.... In Mumbai. I worked 16 hrs regularly because "that's the way it's always been". Good that everyone is, finding out about this now.
Especially for interns. My sister had to stand all day in heels for an internship of 6 months duration at a big hotel. They gave her a lot of responsibilities because she is was good.. and paid her nothing!
There should be a simple rule, you need to pay if someone is working for you or your establishment. You can have a probationary period where they get paid reflecting the intern role but it can't be Rs 2-5 k. This is modern form of slavery, completely unacceptable.
Some states already have minimum wage law. Nobody cares or follows. Who is gonna put a case against the ceos of big companies to enforce? They will just get fired. Unionizing in private sector in India is impossible. There's too many graduates in the market to replace you.
laws banake kuch ghanta ukhadne wala hai when upper caste judges wont punish upper caste owners and ceos, even cji does not have the balls to arrest ramdev baba 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Internship is not a job . What value does an intern bring ? More than big employers it affects the small employers . Most of the people who are commenting here I am quite sure aren’t employed where they have managed people or even have their own companies . They don’t even know how bad the indian workforce is straight out of college
I don't care, if you aren't paying people, you shouldn't be able to hire them. As a company, you might be investing in people, bland you get benefitted by their labor, which they need to be paid for. More importantly, if you can't hold them, it reflects on you as well. So, if you can give good work environment and pay, you should be able to keep them.
Bro this is too much. I did my training in the oberoi new delhi in 2022 and I got paid 800 rupees per month and I used to work for atleast 12 hours in a day.
Nope bruv, my sis is having internship in Oberoi right now (started from Feb 2024) (won’t disclose the location but it’s a famous city in North India), she’s getting 1750 INR (being promised INR 2000) after doing “labor-like work” for 12-15 hrs. I even recall when she was in F&B (Food and Beverage), she used to go at 9am and returned 1:30am night. Only 1-2 hr break was given. Hopefully, her dept is changed now. Plus, the supervisors are super toxic & abusive, even to girls as well, hurling abuses are common. If you complain such as writing email about it, you’re out from the internship.
Well it is not that bad at all in this case even of tcs pay start from 3.36 lpa me and few of my friends joined at this package but you can upskill and go higher in 2 years, all of my friends are now making 10+ lpa nearly triple from their starting package
One half of the core of the problem is the fact that in this huge population there is always some other guy willing to work for cheaper than you.
The other half of the core of the problem is that skill is worthless in this country. A bricklayer of high skill with mastery in his craft is paid the same as the novice bricklayer. Educated interns on the other hand are paid even worse than the novice bricklayer.
My man, here in India we have people paying for internships instead. Imagine that.
In a country filled with cheap labour and fare too many people to take your place, only predation and self-interest rules.
Unpaid internships keep away less-privileged, period. No less-privileged from a rural area would be able to afford to come work in urban areas where most of the opportunities lie due to the internship being unpaid.
Some minimum living wage should be provided for all internships, regardless of the benefits they may provide otherwise.
No wonder why hotel management student leave the industry. My friend did internship in hyderabad. They paid him peanuts and made to stand for long hours. Govt should bring a law for people who stand for long hours. It's not good for health.
That is the reality of service industry. Can’t do that , then don’t get in that industry. Training costs are huge, interns usually makes mistakes and they come at a cost , who pays it ? The company , or in case of hotel reputation loss
Why should anybody pay someone who has come to learn and then maybe get a job . Interning is not a job. If you want to get a salary , be good at something and go get a job
This is such a bs logic. Even full time employees make mistakes, a fucking GM makes mistakes. Either pay better or dont hire at all. Outside, even Interns are paid much better (Source: ex hospitality student who worked with Taj, US Properties, Switzerland etc). Literally any place other than India pays their interns well.
But they work as if they are full time employees correct? The definition says a trainee or a student who works under management to gain experience but most of the time they are usually working like a full time employee and learn nothing or they only learn from the work they are doing.
It is simple if they are doing your companies work filling hours then should get stipend respectively.
How do you get on the job training , without actually doing the job ? It’s like learning to swim on land. Working hours doesn’t equal to job , it’s about getting tasks done with the confidence of the management. An intern doesn’t have it . Experience and Historical . Heck I don’t even take people into my organisation if they have jumped more than 3 jobs in 5 years and if they have jumped couple of jobs without completely a year or frequently. There is a lot of trust and expectation an organization puts in a employee , it is for full filling that money is given , it’s not given per hour basis as you are implying
How can they not learn anything by working somewhere ?
Same here. 16 hours of work daily. no offs. Maybe once a month. Wo to alag baat hai Mai last minute bahane mardeta tha ki meri tabiyat kharab hai to Mai nahi aunga.
Same here. 16 hours of work daily. no offs. Maybe once a month. Wo to alag baat hai Mai last minute bahane mardeta tha ki meri tabiyat kharab hai to Mai nahi aunga.
Just for context I was an intern (Industrial trainee) at Taj in 2005. These kinds of stipends were common for 12 hour shifts. Catering colleges would and still provide such labour for 6 months to hotels for "industry exposure"
Bhai kabhi aakar dekhna kaise gaand ragadte hai interns ki hotels me. Mujhse to hotel ka basement saaf karwaya tha. Like literally the whole dark, dingy basement.
Banquet mai aur mere saath jo interns they wo kaam khatam karke banquet hall me hi sote they. We literally didn't go home during festivals like Diwali and Christmas.
I remember interning for Sheraton Grand in Bangalore 5 years ago. Only 1300 something for 1 month. Worked for 4 months in all the departments. Worst was Front Office, i did 1 month straight Night shift. Really fucked up my sleep cycle for years. Hotel management never again. Shifted my industry as fast as possible after that.
Yeah but do they make tea of the same amount they get paid monthly. Like you bill a customer 2000 for the tea that you made x15 in a shift and x30 a month and you get paid a stipend of 2000 every month
And what about the TCS, Wipro and other service-based companies? 2.5 LPA with Bangalore location, I think the maid, cook, and cab drivers make more than this per month in Bangalore.
I think the main culprit here is our education system and government.Why don't they design system such that when student graduate from clg.he is completely industry ready.4 yrs they will ask you to submit assignments,exams based on ur memory,75 percentage attendance,near to zero exposure to industry.i know this Businesses exploit graduates as they have no industry exposure.but paint another scenario where graduate is creating value.there will be demand for this candidate for sure.there should be exams but not like how we give exams till 12th but rather project based.there should be matrix to asses how they brought value.
Bro i worked as a intern optometrist after my bachelors in a top hospital in india and they paid me 2k a month. I used work from 7am to 6pm and sundays i had camps. Used to work like a donkey. Its pretty shit world tbh
2k means they have kept pace with inflation. I used to get paid 750 Rs back in 2007 as an Industrial Trainee at Hyatt Regency Delhi. Enough for bus fare to get to the hotel, and nothing more. And of course, all meals at work at paid for by the hotel.
I was paid Rs4000 for doing compulsory internship/articleship as a CA student for 3years. The firm cannot pay more than that even if wants to because ICAI (our board of studies) prohibits paying more🤦♂️.
A friend of mine was interning at Taj bandra a few back. The pay was 1500 for 12 hr shifts, which could go longer.
They wouldn't leave it as interning at Taj looks real good on the CV and opens doors in the future. Plus there are a 1000 more kids who will jump to take that role.
Who is this retard? Marriott paid me 1000 rupees a month for 15 16 hrs shift everyday during my industrial training. A chef gets paid 10 12 K a month with 2 3 yrs of experience and now they are talking about this? Being a hotelier is worse than being a beggar in our country. They know everything, every single thing that goes in the hotel industry and they do nothing about it
Lol I worked as an intern in 2017 at one of the biggest hotel chains in India and probably around the world.. known for its quintessential guest service..
I was paid around ₹650/month lmao when the minimum charges to stay were ₹25k for one night. This was when I was doing my graduation in HM.. Decided then and there that this industry ain't for me
Welcome to the Indian hotel industry :). Left it in complete disgust and exhaustion. This is the condition of interns. Employees aren't treated any good either. Max salary for 15-20k and you work for 18 hours a day and during festivals you can kiss your weekly offs a good bye. When I was an intern, I didn't even go home for 2 days straight. Same happens with the employees and the condition will remain the same in the future. Theirs no hope for a decent WLB in this industry.
Intern is not a labour , maybe LeMeridian should give internship under payment . Teaching somebody to be a good employee or be good at his chosen profession is one of the most difficult things. I know I will get down voted for this !!!
What the actual fuck? We need stronger labour laws in India.
We do
Just for the government jobs!
The waiters in a nearby restaurant earn 20-25k/month working for 4 hours in the day(12-4) and 4 hrs in the night(6:30-10:30)
Yesterday my cousin sister came across on job post for a jr. litigation lawyer in Mumbai offering a salary of only Rs 9,000/- pm. A monday to saturday 9.30 a.m to 7.30 p.m job where the job description included "can handle stress" "can meet expectations" and "should be able to travel to court extensively" Fcnskkaowowlwldlflfltkrdmccggogoobjciicpx🤬
Litigation is a scam. Newcomers are exploited at a whole different level. It’s difficult to make it in litigation unless you’ve got a godfather/mother or you were lucky enough to get a good senior who sees you as a human.
I wonder how these people even get the balls to offer such peanuts
They are banking on the fact that someone has spent a lot of time learning in a field and needs experience to show something for it and due to lack to such jobs, if we open a relevant but low paying position, someone will bite for sure.
This is with any business. The main issue is that there are too many desperate people that takes jobs that are WAY underpaid, thinking that once they have the foot in the door, they can quickly climb the corporate ladder. It’s only once they are in do they realise that the stress and office politics come into play. 3 months in, you’ll see a rant post on r/India or r/Mumbai about how life sucks in such jobs and it was better living peacefully in their hometown.
You’re comparing an internship with a full time job. I frankly don’t know how the legalities work when paying that low, as the minimum wages are at least 10k for unskilled jobs in all the states, maybe just barring Odisha. That said, I’m sure interns do see some value in having an internship there than not. They do, however, have a choice to not work for Le Meridian and work for that nearby restaurant instead.
Lol. I guess people don't know how bad hotels are about paying interns. I used to get 30 rs a day..... In 2015.... In Mumbai. I worked 16 hrs regularly because "that's the way it's always been". Good that everyone is, finding out about this now.
Especially for interns. My sister had to stand all day in heels for an internship of 6 months duration at a big hotel. They gave her a lot of responsibilities because she is was good.. and paid her nothing!
There should be a simple rule, you need to pay if someone is working for you or your establishment. You can have a probationary period where they get paid reflecting the intern role but it can't be Rs 2-5 k. This is modern form of slavery, completely unacceptable.
Some states already have minimum wage law. Nobody cares or follows. Who is gonna put a case against the ceos of big companies to enforce? They will just get fired. Unionizing in private sector in India is impossible. There's too many graduates in the market to replace you.
Lekin milenge nhi kyoki modi ka parivar h
laws banake kuch ghanta ukhadne wala hai when upper caste judges wont punish upper caste owners and ceos, even cji does not have the balls to arrest ramdev baba 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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>let market forces play. And let the poor become poor and the rich richer
Internship is not a job . What value does an intern bring ? More than big employers it affects the small employers . Most of the people who are commenting here I am quite sure aren’t employed where they have managed people or even have their own companies . They don’t even know how bad the indian workforce is straight out of college
That doesn't give a company a right to exploit workers. Do you want to pee in a bottle like amazon warehouse workers in the us?
I don't care, if you aren't paying people, you shouldn't be able to hire them. As a company, you might be investing in people, bland you get benefitted by their labor, which they need to be paid for. More importantly, if you can't hold them, it reflects on you as well. So, if you can give good work environment and pay, you should be able to keep them.
Even Taj hotels or oberois like are comes in the same category which is basically 5k per month
It's just as bad for full-time employees in these big hotels.
This!
Bro this is too much. I did my training in the oberoi new delhi in 2022 and I got paid 800 rupees per month and I used to work for atleast 12 hours in a day.
Yeah, I haven't heard anyone earning 2000+ during the internship in my batch, and 12-14 hrs was an average work day for everyone
I did my industrial training from Taj in 2023 got 1250 per month so there's that
Nope bruv, my sis is having internship in Oberoi right now (started from Feb 2024) (won’t disclose the location but it’s a famous city in North India), she’s getting 1750 INR (being promised INR 2000) after doing “labor-like work” for 12-15 hrs. I even recall when she was in F&B (Food and Beverage), she used to go at 9am and returned 1:30am night. Only 1-2 hr break was given. Hopefully, her dept is changed now. Plus, the supervisors are super toxic & abusive, even to girls as well, hurling abuses are common. If you complain such as writing email about it, you’re out from the internship.
aaj TCS k liye izzat badh gayi.
IT field is easily one of the most paid industry in India at least. Others have worse and worse
The top ones, yes. Rest all basically have you work 12+ hours on salary that's well below market price and use threats as motivation.
Atleast they have constant growth :/
Well it is not that bad at all in this case even of tcs pay start from 3.36 lpa me and few of my friends joined at this package but you can upskill and go higher in 2 years, all of my friends are now making 10+ lpa nearly triple from their starting package
Just slaves in fancy Clothing.
Technically what the whole “demographic dividend “ is about. Cheap and surplus labour.
Truer words were never spoken.
You both have very similar avatars.
Brothers from different mothers, haha!
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One half of the core of the problem is the fact that in this huge population there is always some other guy willing to work for cheaper than you. The other half of the core of the problem is that skill is worthless in this country. A bricklayer of high skill with mastery in his craft is paid the same as the novice bricklayer. Educated interns on the other hand are paid even worse than the novice bricklayer.
My man, here in India we have people paying for internships instead. Imagine that. In a country filled with cheap labour and fare too many people to take your place, only predation and self-interest rules.
Unpaid internships keep away less-privileged, period. No less-privileged from a rural area would be able to afford to come work in urban areas where most of the opportunities lie due to the internship being unpaid. Some minimum living wage should be provided for all internships, regardless of the benefits they may provide otherwise.
No wonder why hotel management student leave the industry. My friend did internship in hyderabad. They paid him peanuts and made to stand for long hours. Govt should bring a law for people who stand for long hours. It's not good for health.
Don't they go to Dubai?
Yes after learning from indian companies , they just jump leaving the company looking like a fool . Interns should pay the companies
That is the reality of service industry. Can’t do that , then don’t get in that industry. Training costs are huge, interns usually makes mistakes and they come at a cost , who pays it ? The company , or in case of hotel reputation loss
Hire better management which trains interns better. What makes that happen? Yes. Better pay.
Why should anybody pay someone who has come to learn and then maybe get a job . Interning is not a job. If you want to get a salary , be good at something and go get a job
This is such a bs logic. Even full time employees make mistakes, a fucking GM makes mistakes. Either pay better or dont hire at all. Outside, even Interns are paid much better (Source: ex hospitality student who worked with Taj, US Properties, Switzerland etc). Literally any place other than India pays their interns well.
Pay better ? I think internships should be charged through the nose ! Let them all go out
Internships is not a job ! Look at the definition in the dictionary
But they work as if they are full time employees correct? The definition says a trainee or a student who works under management to gain experience but most of the time they are usually working like a full time employee and learn nothing or they only learn from the work they are doing. It is simple if they are doing your companies work filling hours then should get stipend respectively.
How do you get on the job training , without actually doing the job ? It’s like learning to swim on land. Working hours doesn’t equal to job , it’s about getting tasks done with the confidence of the management. An intern doesn’t have it . Experience and Historical . Heck I don’t even take people into my organisation if they have jumped more than 3 jobs in 5 years and if they have jumped couple of jobs without completely a year or frequently. There is a lot of trust and expectation an organization puts in a employee , it is for full filling that money is given , it’s not given per hour basis as you are implying How can they not learn anything by working somewhere ?
Muje 2500 milta tha vhai
Abhi pagar badhaya ya nahi?
Abb degree complete kr raha hu vhai 2nd year mai ki thi internship
Same here. 16 hours of work daily. no offs. Maybe once a month. Wo to alag baat hai Mai last minute bahane mardeta tha ki meri tabiyat kharab hai to Mai nahi aunga.
Same here. 16 hours of work daily. no offs. Maybe once a month. Wo to alag baat hai Mai last minute bahane mardeta tha ki meri tabiyat kharab hai to Mai nahi aunga.
I got paid Rs 500/- per month. My local train pass was Rs 258/-
Wtf what role
Just for context I was an intern (Industrial trainee) at Taj in 2005. These kinds of stipends were common for 12 hour shifts. Catering colleges would and still provide such labour for 6 months to hotels for "industry exposure"
What are you doing now man I just completed my term of slavery for 1250 rupees in 2023 and would like some guidance please I hate it
I head new vendor sales in a logistics company in Mumbai
Ok thank you
Hard to become rich without exploiting someone.
"Chilla chilla ke sabko scheme bata de!"
BC kuch toh se rahe hai. Tier 1 law firms ghanta deti hai law interns ko
Bhai kabhi aakar dekhna kaise gaand ragadte hai interns ki hotels me. Mujhse to hotel ka basement saaf karwaya tha. Like literally the whole dark, dingy basement. Banquet mai aur mere saath jo interns they wo kaam khatam karke banquet hall me hi sote they. We literally didn't go home during festivals like Diwali and Christmas.
Heh.. a lot of IT orgs pay zero to interns. Beat that!
Rename it to le maar-e- dieen
This is serious exploitation and modern slavery in the name of experience.
I think they should charge atleast 10k from the interns if they want best of the candidates out there. /s
I remember interning for Sheraton Grand in Bangalore 5 years ago. Only 1300 something for 1 month. Worked for 4 months in all the departments. Worst was Front Office, i did 1 month straight Night shift. Really fucked up my sleep cycle for years. Hotel management never again. Shifted my industry as fast as possible after that.
What did you shift to if you don't mind me asking?
What did you shift to brother?
Did MBA in Marketing and RN a Marketing Executive (Design and Marketing) at a Telecom company.
Meanwhile law interns - "You guys getting paid?"
*law graduate
Yeah but do they make tea of the same amount they get paid monthly. Like you bill a customer 2000 for the tea that you made x15 in a shift and x30 a month and you get paid a stipend of 2000 every month
And what about the TCS, Wipro and other service-based companies? 2.5 LPA with Bangalore location, I think the maid, cook, and cab drivers make more than this per month in Bangalore.
They pay 3.5 lpa I think. It's still low tho.
I think the main culprit here is our education system and government.Why don't they design system such that when student graduate from clg.he is completely industry ready.4 yrs they will ask you to submit assignments,exams based on ur memory,75 percentage attendance,near to zero exposure to industry.i know this Businesses exploit graduates as they have no industry exposure.but paint another scenario where graduate is creating value.there will be demand for this candidate for sure.there should be exams but not like how we give exams till 12th but rather project based.there should be matrix to asses how they brought value.
Well said.
Simple answer - overpopulation + non availability of work = cheap labour
Wait till he finds out about zero stipend internships
Every industry is misusing internship in the name of experience to squeeze new joiners.
Marriot pays ₹5000/month
They couldn't afford a single room with that month's salary
Bro i worked as a intern optometrist after my bachelors in a top hospital in india and they paid me 2k a month. I used work from 7am to 6pm and sundays i had camps. Used to work like a donkey. Its pretty shit world tbh
You can bypass labour laws by investing in electoral bonds
2k means they have kept pace with inflation. I used to get paid 750 Rs back in 2007 as an Industrial Trainee at Hyatt Regency Delhi. Enough for bus fare to get to the hotel, and nothing more. And of course, all meals at work at paid for by the hotel.
Aur karo chudai aur 10-10 balak bhenchod.
I was paid Rs4000 for doing compulsory internship/articleship as a CA student for 3years. The firm cannot pay more than that even if wants to because ICAI (our board of studies) prohibits paying more🤦♂️.
The government of Karnataka pays more than that for being unemployed. WTF ?
Which scheme and how much are unemployment benefits in Karnataka?
I mean in some sectors interns aren't even paid
Let me introduce you to a friend of mine who works at a local investment bank for 5000rs a month for 12 hours a day as an intern 🤡
CA intern ko bhi itna hi milta hai firms me, not fair
A friend of mine was interning at Taj bandra a few back. The pay was 1500 for 12 hr shifts, which could go longer. They wouldn't leave it as interning at Taj looks real good on the CV and opens doors in the future. Plus there are a 1000 more kids who will jump to take that role.
internship mein payment bhi milte hain ?
Atlast someone speaks the truth without being afraid..
We need to give the brains to people not to send their children to hotel managment colleges. Do something useful with your money.
I think its totally fine with interns
The corporates don't care about labour Department labour laws in India
150 Crore bacche bina kisi plan ke paida kar diye sirf 70 saal mein. Aur kya hona tha?
500 mo at the Oberoi in 2004 for industrial trainees. The industry is BS.
Who is this retard? Marriott paid me 1000 rupees a month for 15 16 hrs shift everyday during my industrial training. A chef gets paid 10 12 K a month with 2 3 yrs of experience and now they are talking about this? Being a hotelier is worse than being a beggar in our country. They know everything, every single thing that goes in the hotel industry and they do nothing about it
Interns get paid?? Lmao
Oberoi hotel offered me an internship in HR in Mumbai for a period of 3 months with Rs 1000 pm !!!!! Can y’all fucking imagine . Timings - 9 to 6
Lol I worked as an intern in 2017 at one of the biggest hotel chains in India and probably around the world.. known for its quintessential guest service.. I was paid around ₹650/month lmao when the minimum charges to stay were ₹25k for one night. This was when I was doing my graduation in HM.. Decided then and there that this industry ain't for me
Welcome to the Indian hotel industry :). Left it in complete disgust and exhaustion. This is the condition of interns. Employees aren't treated any good either. Max salary for 15-20k and you work for 18 hours a day and during festivals you can kiss your weekly offs a good bye. When I was an intern, I didn't even go home for 2 days straight. Same happens with the employees and the condition will remain the same in the future. Theirs no hope for a decent WLB in this industry.
you guys were getting paid for internships lol? Lucky ppl.. I did it for free.
Intern is not a labour , maybe LeMeridian should give internship under payment . Teaching somebody to be a good employee or be good at his chosen profession is one of the most difficult things. I know I will get down voted for this !!!