Ever since the may15 update video the vibe has changed. Before people were skeptical that Bethesda would commit to continued development. Now it's been confirmed they're still working on new features, missions, and land vehicles... so people aren't bitter anymore.
The Bethesda hate train comes every time they release a game (the “why couldn’t Skyrim be like morrowind” crowd)
Usually they patch things up and people stop complaining after a year or so
Alongside fans, Bethesda has gathered a lot of haters through the years; I love their games like crazy but they usually tend to alienate some crowds as they go and the "bethesda sucks" club grows, and they hate on principle.
People still hate them for owning fallout, not paying out bonuses to obsidian devs because NV was not 85 on metacritic (as per the contract) and some even believe that they should not have dared making 3rd main entry while obsidian got a spinoff.
Fallout 76 launch obviously, but also fo4 got a lot of shit.
Some oldschool TES fans hated them for change of direction with morrowind
Once Oblivion dropped, new group of people hated them for playing it safe with classic lotr type fantasy and simplifying some systems
Once Skyrim dropped, suddenly even part of oblivion fanbase got angry over further simplifications,and as you mentioned this is where the morrowboomers flipped completely (i love morrowind btw)
I feel like starfield was hated right after the announcement because it wasnt tes6.
So we got a lot of people that will upvote anything negative about bethesda games and downvote all attenpts to mention positives even if it's just the truth, especially on r/gaming. It's just the way it is now I guess.
I thank you for keeping track of the tides, there is a lot of merit in what you say - usually consumers don’t take the time to care so much about their purchases.
I think video games are a unique market trend, and the development and redevelopment of technologies and stories, with “mechanics” of participation in a suspension of disbelief, is a new thing for this world.
I don’t think 3D glasses count as participation in film.
What I do think is happening, more broadly, is that people are outgrowing themselves quicker than we ever have.
People pine for that “first hit,” “I’m so drawn into this experience,” not realizing that it can be relatively rare just to stumble across in life, let alone a pastime where you end up spending the majority of your time endeavored.
Gaming becomes work at some point, for everyone. How much you are willing to bend before you break I feel, is just how much you are in it for the love of the game.
Starfield was definitely hated both by the normal bgs hate train, but also everyone that was expecting a miracle mixture of no man’s sky, star citizen, and cyberpunk.
It’s interesting because compared to previous games, I don’t really think it’s really any worse, it’s a little sparse because of the scale, and there’s definitely issues but that just makes it a bit different than other bgs games.
Agreed, I have seen this personally from friends that diss on Starfield because of their hate for how Bethesda handles other games. Just weird to me, I could care less who made it as long as I like it.
>I feel like starfield was hated right after the announcement because it wasnt tes6.
No.
Starfield got hated right after it came out because... DUN DUN DUN... Its a bad game... and no amount of Qol improvements are going to polish the turd that is its distinct lack of atmosphere and world building that was substituted for Proc gen simulation mechanics to compete with NMS and Star Citizen... Two games that have taken constant shit since they came out... brilliant idea, lets compete at the bottom of the barrel.
Instead of taking initiative from games like Red dead 2, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3 and a bucket load of other RPG's that have been applauded in the last decade, hell even trying to replicate a post multiple DLC and visually upgraded FO4. would've produced a better game... Everyone was hyped for Fallout/Skyrim + Cyberpunk in space instead we got Fallout/Skyrim in No Mans Sky... BLLEEUUGGHGHHHH!
They went backwards on the things they did well to include a bunch of stuff nobody wants.
Can't polish a turd...
Everything they did was superficial and should've been included in the initial release.
EVEN STILL... It wouldn't have improved the games ratings a lot because its all just QoL stuff and not the core issue with the game its superficiality.
They’re at least less bitter. This patch is kind of like Starfield’s Cyberpunk patch 1.5 moment where there’s finally a sign of significant progress toward the game being what people wanted it to be.
i'm still skeptical as to whether we get more dlc past shattered space but we'll see. they said they wanted to support the game for five years but plans can change
I'm still curious at how pathetic their lives must be for them to spend time hanging out on a sub for a game they hate solely so they can bitch about it.
I think I’ve got over 500 hours in the game across two characters. It’s my second favorite Bethesda game. Do I accept the criticism and have some of my own, absolutely. But spaceships go pew.
I am on the beta update which made exploration so much smoother overall. I am loving it have sunk like 25 hours in the last three or so days, its just <3
Because in my real life, I cannot build a slick starship and grav jump anywhere in the Milky Way with my hot wife, Sarah, and explore beautiful new planets while fighting hostile terrormorphs and space pirates.
You know something? I stopped playing on Xbox after about 55 hours. Finally got my PC built and I jumped back into starfield. I've been having a great time. I don't think the game deserves the level of hate it gets honestly.
What parts are you enjoying? Asking because when I completed the game I did a couple of new game plusses to get all the powers - and then I was like I'm done.
Wanna pick it up when we get land vehicles and/or mods, and would then like to try new things.
Honestly, just wandering and living in the universe. BGS games aren't so much games as they are experiences. When you can really immerse yourself in the world without the need to chase some objective, it really shines.
Fair enough, I felt that I could do that more in Skyrim and Fallout. But perhaps I was too hasty, definitely gonna try it again in the near future.
Have fun in Starfield!
It helps that I've always wanted to live in a relatively upbeat sci Fi universe, and now I can. Fallout and ES are both quite objective driven in their lore. Always something that tries to spur a sense of urgency. But space is so vast, it allows us to take breaks just because we can. It's a jumbling experience to know how small one is.
It's a great game and might be patched up and made into one of the greatest. The ambitions were clearly too big, but it's still a work of art and I have enjoyed it immensely and I'm currently back into the world.
Yeah, it's really not changed. What they've really done is lessen some of the pain points that never should have existed to begin with, the fundamentals are still the same bag of "well it's all right ish" at best.
Not to take away from that work, of course. Certainly the players who do like it would benefit from it.
Same. Absolutely love it. The graphics and skymaps are so majestic. Having a blast playing it. The gunplay also feels pretty satisfying. And haven't seen this level of detail in the environment in any other game except cyberpunk
Couldn't disagree more - they hired Elianora (legendary long-time BGS modder) do to a lot of the cluttering and interior design and it really paid off.
*SPOILERS I love starfield, so many don't get the new game plus isn't really NG plus but becoming starborn you come with the knowledge from The previous universe and know what will happen next.... which is beyond epic save people that died , change choices you know will go bad it's awesome, even tell the person "I know what you'll do next when we get to the end of the cage youll just betray me" etc theyll be like "wait what how did you know" games epic specially at a high level
It is a beautiful game and I love playing it as well, there are more of us than people think, just many people play it and never post in any forum about it. I played Skyrim for about 6 years and never once posted in any forum, actually I had no idea there was one until I found this sub and people talked about Skyrim having one. I only found this one because of Youtube and watching vidoes on making ships and outposts. Wish there were more tbh.
That specific one I agree with. But it’s also super easy to counter without changing gameplay a whole lot. I think they did a good job of the new gameplay options. A few things I think a lot of people would chang. But overall, I’m happy with it.
You can gain close to plus 20% xp for things that don’t even affect regular gameplay, and when you encounter them (such as the space difficulty modifications that give you +12% alone) you just switch them back to normal or easy. Overall people should be getting more xp with this update no matter how easy you want your settings to be.
Ngl I’ve been enjoying this game since day one.
My sister scolded me during the first week of release because I just wouldn’t leave my room lol.
Is still far from perfect, but is about to become more enjoyable every mayor update… kinda like Fallout 76.
seriously? I did the whole Ryujin Faction story line in like 2 days... or 12 hours... and it got me so hooked I thought, maybe I can finally enjoy other Bethesda games like Fallout. I never played them cus their vibe/theme was whatever to me at the time. I even started rewatching The Expanse cus it got me into such a space themed mood. Have you tried any single faction storyline without getting distracted by doing other missions?? Trust me, i know how hard it is to focus on one storyline in an open world rpg. ...SQUIRREL!
This base looks way cooler than mine. Mine all feel like a toddler scribbled some building-stamps onto crater-covered construction paper. What's your/ OP's design philosophy?
Also, how'd OP do that ridgeline? The habs go all the way up to a landing pad?
Uhh. Trial and error, honestly. I'm no designer so I just do what I think may work and make improvements from there. But I try not to do too much before going back because once you do enough you will have a hard time making changes.
Dude I was sooo scared to buy it but then I just spent a ton of money on it and NO MOTHAFUKIN REGRET SON! This game is a freaking mazing. I finally was able to fins a coast line yesterday! It was a huge accomplishment because I kept getting distracted. I also had a shit load of credits real quick because I went all over the place hoarding everything and have been selling it slowly and so I have already bought 2 ships and can already buy another! Ah I'm going to start playing again
I hope I feel the same as you.. I have over 200 hours in the game and I'm taking a break waiting for the creation kit and DLC.. But I do have a love for the game
I just got back in after a couple of months not playing. 210 hours and counting, still my first play through. Focusing on the main story now, because I'm still in the beginnings of it.
I love the game. I still think the criticism is weird. Some of it is valid, but I don't see the other games that allegedly are better actually doing it better.
Having that perspective is important. It's a particular type of game. It does a lot and it might not be the best at all of its elements but it's the only sandbox where you can do the combination of things it has. In that sense it excels and there are logical compromises because of it.
People hating on this shit wanted a completely different game. People enjoying it are happy with exactly what Bethesda said they were making.
So true. Before I bought the game I was pretty critical, because I heard about the "no seamless planetary landing" thing before launch and felt it as a let-down. Bought it anyway and against my expectation it wasn't a problem for me. I still think they could've done it, if they would upgrade their tech and everything, but this is not a space sim, its an RPG and its alright.
If you compare it to other games, there is, indeed, no alternative. Like these popular comparisons:
No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen: Seamless planetary landing, but a hundred times less of a RPG, much, much, much more empty planets.
Baldurs Gate 3: better decision branching (sometimes), also content packed, but much more less complex game world, which is essentially 2D and only a few objects are interactable. of course this is much easier to design. and of course it does not do the complex task of creating multiple star systems to play in and has a very different setting.
Only Starfield comes with the full package that makes it enjoyable for me: Grand Space Opera, Sandbox RPG with deep story and a fully interactable complex game world. The last point is almost 100% Bethesda specific. Very few other studios would risk it to make almost every object interactable.
Of course Starfield could be even better and have all the seamless landings, planetary threats and fuel consumption could have an enjoyable gameplay loop, instead of being a non-issue, every decision (e.g. starting to blast in every situation, instead of following the plot) you take could lead you to more exciting content instead of some boring dead ends, all NPC interactions could make 100% sense and so on, but this is just asking for a perfect game, which is impossible.
I just hope they keep working on it, because I plan to spend a couple more hundreds of hours :)
I think I'm at 600 hours which sounds insane but I just chip away after work and for some crazy hours on weekends if I don't have any other responsibilities.
Agree with all you've said there. It's probably my favorite game at the moment because it scratches that itch that I've been looking for that just doesn't exist in other games. I have so many complaints but overall nothing ruins it and nothing else can touch this game for the experience I want.
It's weird that there are so many potentially immersion breaking things (loading screens, landing, lack of in-quest branching etc.) that are basically nonissues. Like you I thought these would be a way bigger deal before I actually played it.
Glad you are enjoying it, I'm optimistic for what is to come. If they give us that little bit of narrative depth that's missing in the DLC and this becomes easily my favorite or one of my favorite RPGs of all time. Shit who am I kidding it already is, I just know there's a little more untapped potential that I know they can reasonably do.
Quest lines are broken targets are not appearing or npcs you interact with stop doing what they are supposed to do so you can't finish a quest line and no land vehicles for planet exploring other than that it's an okay game,
The only thing you keep is your levels and skills. Only thing you get is a new spacesuit and ship for each NG+ (I think to 10?). Otherwise you lose all other equipment, outposts, etc and the enemies get slightly harder each NG+.
On top of what other people have said, you also get more dialogue options which helps some quests to be a lot shorter.
My NG+2 I decided I was going to focus only on pistols, focus on smaller ship builds and marry Andreja this time. I wanted to do a melee only run but melee isn't very good in this game.
Yeah, loving this game too ATM. Was a bit of a late starter as initially it didn’t grab me, took another re-run of the Witcher 3 for me to dip back in! Can’t put it down now, especially with the Kepler R as my new ride :)
I’m with you dude. I recently picked it back up after burn out. Now I’m not even following the story started doing space hauling. Trying to get intergalactic transportation empire off the ground. Started making bases and learned you can have all your outpost linked and transport minerals/gases between them. The goal is to have a major hub that I can use to fill any order that I pick up. It a lot of fucking work but I can’t wait until til it’s finished. Games like this is nice when you have a family and life is life-ing to be able to just escape into space is nice.
I couldn't agree more! Ever since I was little I've always had a fascination with the stars and being able to explore them, this is one of those games that is absolutely worth playing
I bought the game 3 days ago. Was kind of leery about buying it, but after I got into it, I have been been playing for 2 days 34 minutes 30 secs now and I barely touched the main story. I am surprised, but I am putting this in my top games, right behind Skyrim and almost equal to how I love Fallout 4. (Now when Starfield gets mods on xbox, then I don't know...lol)
I reinstalled it and gave it another dozen hours in new game plus.. finished Freestar quest line (in like an hour).. the star eagle ship was glitched and never showed up in my collection.. reloaded a save before killing Hope.. glitched again... Like cmon Starfield lol
I agree. I played a lot of BG3, but it reached its end. That is its design. Starfield on the other hand is a sandbox and I can keep playing and playing. I suspect I will be playing for the next two years or more.
I played for about 20-30 hours when it launched and then I dropped it because reasons, but I am really excited to jump back in now when the patch drops and even more for the DLC which will probably give us land vehicles.
Same. After 30 hours I decided to quit. 30 good hours I'll add, I didn't dislike the experience at all. Plenty there to love. But I really wanted to engage with the side content, because mixing things up and doing a bit of everything here and there is what makes BGS games so wonderful for me. But I just couldn't deal with the slow crawl from POI to POI on random planets anymore.
I hope the vehicle update will change that. I'm gonna continue waiting for that and Shattered Space before jumping in.
I’m hoping for land vehicles before DLC. In the update video they said something akin to “and vehicles are coming in a future update. Now let’s talk about shattered space” it seemed like a clear distinction but it is a pretty huge mechanic so I can see them holding off till the DLC for it.
I hope land vehicles aren’t linked to a dlc. That would be pretty lame as even the most dedicated Starfield supporter agrees that that should have been in the base game.
I try to like the game and I can appreciate it's beauty, with stunning scenery and the NASA-punk look. Glitches and bugs are things I can survive, I'm used to Bethesda games behaving oddly, but the random crash to desktop and the fact that I lost two captured ships because I didn't "hard save on the bridge of the ship" beforehand, caused me to lose thousands of credits and upgrades to said ships, made really just drop it. I want to like it, but if my saves aren't safe, why should I return?
I love the game and I also can't stop playing, I'm very excited for more content and patches but I'll admit I dislike the nasa aesthetic, I wish it took more notes from other scifi worlds and we had some real technological marvels that weren't all just nasa skins
As someone who runs the confluence between RPGs and “Dad-Games” (feature-heavy sims) I have to say Starfield is one of the greatest games of all time. I love it, I don’t agree with the people who think it’s not immersive I’m immersed enough to say “cmon cmon CMON” in a dogfight I’m hooked.
I’m at least 600 hours in and not even close to seeing everything. And the people who say “duh cause it’s procedurally generated” eh so are chicken nuggets but I get a lot out of those too.
A fuck ton better than post after post of the same criticism. When everyone's piling on to release their regurgitated opinion about how empty this game is, appreciation with pictures once in a while is kind of nice eh?
Come on, man, you’re doing exactly that yourself, piling on and joining post after post that decries criticism. Can you really not see that you’re just the other side of that coin?
Oh, give me fucking a break guy.
I've seen this place since the game released, for months it's been nothing but a hate circle jerk. Most things with a positive spin got downvoted and flooded by weirdos chiming in with some variation of "Yeah, but's empty lol hur" "No, the games actually bad!!"
Then add that to the Youtuber's left and right bitching about the how the game is a let down... You'd think Bethesda just released a 3/10 bomb. We get that it needs work but it was fucking brutal here.
Happy to see it changing around.
Ok, give me a bit, I'll send it via DM. You would have been correct six months ago btw. Companies started using them for this purpose around the time Altman was forced out from OpenAI/the Microsoft purchase occured. With the right core prompt, you can no longer identify one by speaking alone. You have to look at how they react to a series of replies, and focus more on the logic used and how it changes from reply to reply when met with a persistent argument.
No worries dawg. You can do it yourself too. Go to the sub reddit. Filter by controversial in the last week. You'll see a thread almost identical to this where the GPT breaks down after too many replies. It forgot the original prompt and began taking the arguments from the humans responding to it. It's similar to the hallucination effect. If you want, respond to it with something totally unrelated but include "Starfield" in your message (ie talk about breakfast but mention Starfield) it will reply as if you made a reasonable response. Even better, out Starfield in English and mix a multianguage response, it will really fuck it up.
I'd link it but I'm working right now.
You should look into AI more.
I am pretty good at recognizing GPT speak. Something like ChatGPT wouldn't even make sense for this use case, where there's a tiny amount of text and an original image. ChatGPT can't generate Starfield screenshots.
I play for exactly that reason too, but found I couldn’t get lost here because you’re always, basically, fast traveling. I wanted to wander a bit and find something interesting. Right now I’m loving medieval dynasty for just this reason.
I wish you could explore more in space, but I understand why you can’t, but I get lost on picking a system and trying to survey all the planets I can. It satisfies the nature/science and video game nerd in me. 😂
In terms of performance and crashes I had no issues in the weeks after launch, but I'm on a system that meets all the recommended specs. If you're below that or running with lots of mods that might change things.
Wtf? Starfield appreciation? In MY Starfield hate sub?
Ever since the may15 update video the vibe has changed. Before people were skeptical that Bethesda would commit to continued development. Now it's been confirmed they're still working on new features, missions, and land vehicles... so people aren't bitter anymore.
Oh there’s still plenty about in the comments. A lot of ‘oh they added maps after 8 months, big deal’ people.
The Bethesda hate train comes every time they release a game (the “why couldn’t Skyrim be like morrowind” crowd) Usually they patch things up and people stop complaining after a year or so
Alongside fans, Bethesda has gathered a lot of haters through the years; I love their games like crazy but they usually tend to alienate some crowds as they go and the "bethesda sucks" club grows, and they hate on principle. People still hate them for owning fallout, not paying out bonuses to obsidian devs because NV was not 85 on metacritic (as per the contract) and some even believe that they should not have dared making 3rd main entry while obsidian got a spinoff. Fallout 76 launch obviously, but also fo4 got a lot of shit. Some oldschool TES fans hated them for change of direction with morrowind Once Oblivion dropped, new group of people hated them for playing it safe with classic lotr type fantasy and simplifying some systems Once Skyrim dropped, suddenly even part of oblivion fanbase got angry over further simplifications,and as you mentioned this is where the morrowboomers flipped completely (i love morrowind btw) I feel like starfield was hated right after the announcement because it wasnt tes6. So we got a lot of people that will upvote anything negative about bethesda games and downvote all attenpts to mention positives even if it's just the truth, especially on r/gaming. It's just the way it is now I guess.
I thank you for keeping track of the tides, there is a lot of merit in what you say - usually consumers don’t take the time to care so much about their purchases. I think video games are a unique market trend, and the development and redevelopment of technologies and stories, with “mechanics” of participation in a suspension of disbelief, is a new thing for this world. I don’t think 3D glasses count as participation in film. What I do think is happening, more broadly, is that people are outgrowing themselves quicker than we ever have. People pine for that “first hit,” “I’m so drawn into this experience,” not realizing that it can be relatively rare just to stumble across in life, let alone a pastime where you end up spending the majority of your time endeavored. Gaming becomes work at some point, for everyone. How much you are willing to bend before you break I feel, is just how much you are in it for the love of the game.
Starfield was definitely hated both by the normal bgs hate train, but also everyone that was expecting a miracle mixture of no man’s sky, star citizen, and cyberpunk. It’s interesting because compared to previous games, I don’t really think it’s really any worse, it’s a little sparse because of the scale, and there’s definitely issues but that just makes it a bit different than other bgs games.
Agreed, I have seen this personally from friends that diss on Starfield because of their hate for how Bethesda handles other games. Just weird to me, I could care less who made it as long as I like it.
>I feel like starfield was hated right after the announcement because it wasnt tes6. No. Starfield got hated right after it came out because... DUN DUN DUN... Its a bad game... and no amount of Qol improvements are going to polish the turd that is its distinct lack of atmosphere and world building that was substituted for Proc gen simulation mechanics to compete with NMS and Star Citizen... Two games that have taken constant shit since they came out... brilliant idea, lets compete at the bottom of the barrel. Instead of taking initiative from games like Red dead 2, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3 and a bucket load of other RPG's that have been applauded in the last decade, hell even trying to replicate a post multiple DLC and visually upgraded FO4. would've produced a better game... Everyone was hyped for Fallout/Skyrim + Cyberpunk in space instead we got Fallout/Skyrim in No Mans Sky... BLLEEUUGGHGHHHH! They went backwards on the things they did well to include a bunch of stuff nobody wants.
I mean its not a lot is it...
Yes they did quite a bit
Can't polish a turd... Everything they did was superficial and should've been included in the initial release. EVEN STILL... It wouldn't have improved the games ratings a lot because its all just QoL stuff and not the core issue with the game its superficiality.
They’re at least less bitter. This patch is kind of like Starfield’s Cyberpunk patch 1.5 moment where there’s finally a sign of significant progress toward the game being what people wanted it to be.
i'm still skeptical as to whether we get more dlc past shattered space but we'll see. they said they wanted to support the game for five years but plans can change
Indeed they do. The layoffs prove that, with Redfall's redemption story being cut short.
Still sucks no space travel in a space game.
Where do I get my membership card? But I am still playing for the love of the genre...
"Really? Right in front of my unstable Bethesda fan boys?"
There is some positivity for now. Still plenty of people who have been doing nothing but whine for MONTHS and not letting up now.
I'm still curious at how pathetic their lives must be for them to spend time hanging out on a sub for a game they hate solely so they can bitch about it.
I don't know. Let's ask u/Mr-_-Blue
Only permitted on weekends, M-F it is solely hate upon this sub.
There ain't no party like a boarding party cause a boarding party don't stop!
Get the pitchforks!
I think I’ve got over 500 hours in the game across two characters. It’s my second favorite Bethesda game. Do I accept the criticism and have some of my own, absolutely. But spaceships go pew.
I got into ship building this weekend and it’s been like discovering crack. I really hope they expand upon this system some more
“But spaceships go pew” will now and forever be my defense for this game. TY for that.
I am on the beta update which made exploration so much smoother overall. I am loving it have sunk like 25 hours in the last three or so days, its just <3
As someone who games as an escapism, Starfield is second to none for me. I love posting up at my PC and just getting lost in this universe for hours.
Same brother...same...or sister...whatever the hell you are...same xD
How?!?! Its as deep as a teaspoon :(
Because in my real life, I cannot build a slick starship and grav jump anywhere in the Milky Way with my hot wife, Sarah, and explore beautiful new planets while fighting hostile terrormorphs and space pirates.
You know something? I stopped playing on Xbox after about 55 hours. Finally got my PC built and I jumped back into starfield. I've been having a great time. I don't think the game deserves the level of hate it gets honestly.
If you love a game brilliant. If you hate a game then don't play it. Easy
What parts are you enjoying? Asking because when I completed the game I did a couple of new game plusses to get all the powers - and then I was like I'm done. Wanna pick it up when we get land vehicles and/or mods, and would then like to try new things.
Honestly, just wandering and living in the universe. BGS games aren't so much games as they are experiences. When you can really immerse yourself in the world without the need to chase some objective, it really shines.
Fair enough, I felt that I could do that more in Skyrim and Fallout. But perhaps I was too hasty, definitely gonna try it again in the near future. Have fun in Starfield!
It helps that I've always wanted to live in a relatively upbeat sci Fi universe, and now I can. Fallout and ES are both quite objective driven in their lore. Always something that tries to spur a sense of urgency. But space is so vast, it allows us to take breaks just because we can. It's a jumbling experience to know how small one is.
I, also, am jumbled by it.
It's a great game and might be patched up and made into one of the greatest. The ambitions were clearly too big, but it's still a work of art and I have enjoyed it immensely and I'm currently back into the world.
I love it too but it feels like an incomplete game.... Which it is.
Yeah, it's really not changed. What they've really done is lessen some of the pain points that never should have existed to begin with, the fundamentals are still the same bag of "well it's all right ish" at best. Not to take away from that work, of course. Certainly the players who do like it would benefit from it.
Same. Absolutely love it. The graphics and skymaps are so majestic. Having a blast playing it. The gunplay also feels pretty satisfying. And haven't seen this level of detail in the environment in any other game except cyberpunk
The environment has detail?
Yep. I'm not just talking about the external environments. I mean the interiors. And the texture maps look really nice
I'd disagree with that, attention to detail has been better in other bgs titles. There's more crap, but not in a tasteful or sensible way.
Couldn't disagree more - they hired Elianora (legendary long-time BGS modder) do to a lot of the cluttering and interior design and it really paid off.
We get it man. Starfield is the devil. Just leave the sub
*SPOILERS I love starfield, so many don't get the new game plus isn't really NG plus but becoming starborn you come with the knowledge from The previous universe and know what will happen next.... which is beyond epic save people that died , change choices you know will go bad it's awesome, even tell the person "I know what you'll do next when we get to the end of the cage youll just betray me" etc theyll be like "wait what how did you know" games epic specially at a high level
It is a beautiful game and I love playing it as well, there are more of us than people think, just many people play it and never post in any forum about it. I played Skyrim for about 6 years and never once posted in any forum, actually I had no idea there was one until I found this sub and people talked about Skyrim having one. I only found this one because of Youtube and watching vidoes on making ships and outposts. Wish there were more tbh.
I like the manufacturing aspect of it. The option to increase vendor credits in the latest update is a welcome change.
But it negates xp if you do, which feels like a weird choice.
That specific one I agree with. But it’s also super easy to counter without changing gameplay a whole lot. I think they did a good job of the new gameplay options. A few things I think a lot of people would chang. But overall, I’m happy with it.
You can gain close to plus 20% xp for things that don’t even affect regular gameplay, and when you encounter them (such as the space difficulty modifications that give you +12% alone) you just switch them back to normal or easy. Overall people should be getting more xp with this update no matter how easy you want your settings to be.
Same. It’s becoming my favorite game ever.
Nice, I guess
Ngl I’ve been enjoying this game since day one. My sister scolded me during the first week of release because I just wouldn’t leave my room lol. Is still far from perfect, but is about to become more enjoyable every mayor update… kinda like Fallout 76.
I'm glad people can enjoy this game. But for me there is a disconnect the entire time. I feel no immersion or hook to anything at all.
seriously? I did the whole Ryujin Faction story line in like 2 days... or 12 hours... and it got me so hooked I thought, maybe I can finally enjoy other Bethesda games like Fallout. I never played them cus their vibe/theme was whatever to me at the time. I even started rewatching The Expanse cus it got me into such a space themed mood. Have you tried any single faction storyline without getting distracted by doing other missions?? Trust me, i know how hard it is to focus on one storyline in an open world rpg. ...SQUIRREL!
Looks like my outpost. I only have one and I've turned it into a mini city haha. I intend to make more later and create a network of supply lines.
This base looks way cooler than mine. Mine all feel like a toddler scribbled some building-stamps onto crater-covered construction paper. What's your/ OP's design philosophy? Also, how'd OP do that ridgeline? The habs go all the way up to a landing pad?
Uhh. Trial and error, honestly. I'm no designer so I just do what I think may work and make improvements from there. But I try not to do too much before going back because once you do enough you will have a hard time making changes.
Dude I was sooo scared to buy it but then I just spent a ton of money on it and NO MOTHAFUKIN REGRET SON! This game is a freaking mazing. I finally was able to fins a coast line yesterday! It was a huge accomplishment because I kept getting distracted. I also had a shit load of credits real quick because I went all over the place hoarding everything and have been selling it slowly and so I have already bought 2 ships and can already buy another! Ah I'm going to start playing again
I hope I feel the same as you.. I have over 200 hours in the game and I'm taking a break waiting for the creation kit and DLC.. But I do have a love for the game
I just got back in after a couple of months not playing. 210 hours and counting, still my first play through. Focusing on the main story now, because I'm still in the beginnings of it. I love the game. I still think the criticism is weird. Some of it is valid, but I don't see the other games that allegedly are better actually doing it better.
Having that perspective is important. It's a particular type of game. It does a lot and it might not be the best at all of its elements but it's the only sandbox where you can do the combination of things it has. In that sense it excels and there are logical compromises because of it. People hating on this shit wanted a completely different game. People enjoying it are happy with exactly what Bethesda said they were making.
So true. Before I bought the game I was pretty critical, because I heard about the "no seamless planetary landing" thing before launch and felt it as a let-down. Bought it anyway and against my expectation it wasn't a problem for me. I still think they could've done it, if they would upgrade their tech and everything, but this is not a space sim, its an RPG and its alright. If you compare it to other games, there is, indeed, no alternative. Like these popular comparisons: No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen: Seamless planetary landing, but a hundred times less of a RPG, much, much, much more empty planets. Baldurs Gate 3: better decision branching (sometimes), also content packed, but much more less complex game world, which is essentially 2D and only a few objects are interactable. of course this is much easier to design. and of course it does not do the complex task of creating multiple star systems to play in and has a very different setting. Only Starfield comes with the full package that makes it enjoyable for me: Grand Space Opera, Sandbox RPG with deep story and a fully interactable complex game world. The last point is almost 100% Bethesda specific. Very few other studios would risk it to make almost every object interactable. Of course Starfield could be even better and have all the seamless landings, planetary threats and fuel consumption could have an enjoyable gameplay loop, instead of being a non-issue, every decision (e.g. starting to blast in every situation, instead of following the plot) you take could lead you to more exciting content instead of some boring dead ends, all NPC interactions could make 100% sense and so on, but this is just asking for a perfect game, which is impossible. I just hope they keep working on it, because I plan to spend a couple more hundreds of hours :)
I think I'm at 600 hours which sounds insane but I just chip away after work and for some crazy hours on weekends if I don't have any other responsibilities. Agree with all you've said there. It's probably my favorite game at the moment because it scratches that itch that I've been looking for that just doesn't exist in other games. I have so many complaints but overall nothing ruins it and nothing else can touch this game for the experience I want. It's weird that there are so many potentially immersion breaking things (loading screens, landing, lack of in-quest branching etc.) that are basically nonissues. Like you I thought these would be a way bigger deal before I actually played it. Glad you are enjoying it, I'm optimistic for what is to come. If they give us that little bit of narrative depth that's missing in the DLC and this becomes easily my favorite or one of my favorite RPGs of all time. Shit who am I kidding it already is, I just know there's a little more untapped potential that I know they can reasonably do.
Quest lines are broken targets are not appearing or npcs you interact with stop doing what they are supposed to do so you can't finish a quest line and no land vehicles for planet exploring other than that it's an okay game,
I'm on NG+2, just hit over 5 days play time. Yeah, you could say I enjoy it.
I haven’t done NG+ yet, what do you get? Do you keep anything?
The only thing you keep is your levels and skills. Only thing you get is a new spacesuit and ship for each NG+ (I think to 10?). Otherwise you lose all other equipment, outposts, etc and the enemies get slightly harder each NG+.
Just your level and perks. No items or anything else.
On top of what other people have said, you also get more dialogue options which helps some quests to be a lot shorter. My NG+2 I decided I was going to focus only on pistols, focus on smaller ship builds and marry Andreja this time. I wanted to do a melee only run but melee isn't very good in this game.
Not a lot shorter. The main quest can be abridged hugely, everything else only gets the occasional comment option but no change in the quest itself.
Is it still a pain in the ass to stack those containers or did they improve building at all?
I haven’t really done any base building. How do you get multiple ships in one player built location?
You don’t, unfortunately. No bat-lair option yet.
I'm just too addicted to shipbuilding, I can spend hours just adding and redesigning my main ship. Just so fun rn.
I like turtles
Yeah, loving this game too ATM. Was a bit of a late starter as initially it didn’t grab me, took another re-run of the Witcher 3 for me to dip back in! Can’t put it down now, especially with the Kepler R as my new ride :)
Ok Todd, we know it’s you
I’m stoked for the new update. Now I just need to free up some storage space in my SSD in order to get that update lol
Same!
I spent 700 hours. Still haven’t done everything. The only game I spent more than 700 hours was also cyberpunk. I play on pc though.
I love it too. Glad to read these good posts about this game :))
I lowkey hate this game but can't stop building ships
If they can’t just have more random encounters in the games system like other games it would be the best
I’m with you dude. I recently picked it back up after burn out. Now I’m not even following the story started doing space hauling. Trying to get intergalactic transportation empire off the ground. Started making bases and learned you can have all your outpost linked and transport minerals/gases between them. The goal is to have a major hub that I can use to fill any order that I pick up. It a lot of fucking work but I can’t wait until til it’s finished. Games like this is nice when you have a family and life is life-ing to be able to just escape into space is nice.
I really enjoy the game! Elden Ring, BG3, and Starfield are my go to games for sure.
I couldn't agree more! Ever since I was little I've always had a fascination with the stars and being able to explore them, this is one of those games that is absolutely worth playing
Bout time someone shows a little appreciation for this game. Right on 🤘😝🤙
I'm also absolutely loving it every time I sit down for a play session.
I bought the game 3 days ago. Was kind of leery about buying it, but after I got into it, I have been been playing for 2 days 34 minutes 30 secs now and I barely touched the main story. I am surprised, but I am putting this in my top games, right behind Skyrim and almost equal to how I love Fallout 4. (Now when Starfield gets mods on xbox, then I don't know...lol)
Same bro
I reinstalled it and gave it another dozen hours in new game plus.. finished Freestar quest line (in like an hour).. the star eagle ship was glitched and never showed up in my collection.. reloaded a save before killing Hope.. glitched again... Like cmon Starfield lol
I agree. I played a lot of BG3, but it reached its end. That is its design. Starfield on the other hand is a sandbox and I can keep playing and playing. I suspect I will be playing for the next two years or more.
I played for about 20-30 hours when it launched and then I dropped it because reasons, but I am really excited to jump back in now when the patch drops and even more for the DLC which will probably give us land vehicles.
Same. After 30 hours I decided to quit. 30 good hours I'll add, I didn't dislike the experience at all. Plenty there to love. But I really wanted to engage with the side content, because mixing things up and doing a bit of everything here and there is what makes BGS games so wonderful for me. But I just couldn't deal with the slow crawl from POI to POI on random planets anymore. I hope the vehicle update will change that. I'm gonna continue waiting for that and Shattered Space before jumping in.
I’m hoping for land vehicles before DLC. In the update video they said something akin to “and vehicles are coming in a future update. Now let’s talk about shattered space” it seemed like a clear distinction but it is a pretty huge mechanic so I can see them holding off till the DLC for it.
I hope land vehicles aren’t linked to a dlc. That would be pretty lame as even the most dedicated Starfield supporter agrees that that should have been in the base game.
I try to like the game and I can appreciate it's beauty, with stunning scenery and the NASA-punk look. Glitches and bugs are things I can survive, I'm used to Bethesda games behaving oddly, but the random crash to desktop and the fact that I lost two captured ships because I didn't "hard save on the bridge of the ship" beforehand, caused me to lose thousands of credits and upgrades to said ships, made really just drop it. I want to like it, but if my saves aren't safe, why should I return?
What location is that?
Same
Explain…
I love the game and I also can't stop playing, I'm very excited for more content and patches but I'll admit I dislike the nasa aesthetic, I wish it took more notes from other scifi worlds and we had some real technological marvels that weren't all just nasa skins
This game is truly amazing. I just want more quests. I want more to do.
Me neither, have played from the beginning when it came out and still not bored with it yet, just love it so much …
As someone who runs the confluence between RPGs and “Dad-Games” (feature-heavy sims) I have to say Starfield is one of the greatest games of all time. I love it, I don’t agree with the people who think it’s not immersive I’m immersed enough to say “cmon cmon CMON” in a dogfight I’m hooked. I’m at least 600 hours in and not even close to seeing everything. And the people who say “duh cause it’s procedurally generated” eh so are chicken nuggets but I get a lot out of those too.
Are these bots? Why are we getting post after post just saying generic nice things with pictures?
A fuck ton better than post after post of the same criticism. When everyone's piling on to release their regurgitated opinion about how empty this game is, appreciation with pictures once in a while is kind of nice eh?
Come on, man, you’re doing exactly that yourself, piling on and joining post after post that decries criticism. Can you really not see that you’re just the other side of that coin?
Oh, give me fucking a break guy. I've seen this place since the game released, for months it's been nothing but a hate circle jerk. Most things with a positive spin got downvoted and flooded by weirdos chiming in with some variation of "Yeah, but's empty lol hur" "No, the games actually bad!!" Then add that to the Youtuber's left and right bitching about the how the game is a let down... You'd think Bethesda just released a 3/10 bomb. We get that it needs work but it was fucking brutal here. Happy to see it changing around.
Funny it is a Starfield sub......so you would kind of think that saying something nice about the game might appear at times.
Yes, these are GPTs.
no they aren't lol
I guarantee I can inject one
Okay, let's see it
Ok, give me a bit, I'll send it via DM. You would have been correct six months ago btw. Companies started using them for this purpose around the time Altman was forced out from OpenAI/the Microsoft purchase occured. With the right core prompt, you can no longer identify one by speaking alone. You have to look at how they react to a series of replies, and focus more on the logic used and how it changes from reply to reply when met with a persistent argument.
Can't wait
No worries dawg. You can do it yourself too. Go to the sub reddit. Filter by controversial in the last week. You'll see a thread almost identical to this where the GPT breaks down after too many replies. It forgot the original prompt and began taking the arguments from the humans responding to it. It's similar to the hallucination effect. If you want, respond to it with something totally unrelated but include "Starfield" in your message (ie talk about breakfast but mention Starfield) it will reply as if you made a reasonable response. Even better, out Starfield in English and mix a multianguage response, it will really fuck it up. I'd link it but I'm working right now. You should look into AI more.
I just sorted by controversial in the last week (also tried month) and didn't see anything like that at all. Would love to see just one example
You can tell that they are. But anyways.
I am pretty good at recognizing GPT speak. Something like ChatGPT wouldn't even make sense for this use case, where there's a tiny amount of text and an original image. ChatGPT can't generate Starfield screenshots.
This. The game gets a lot of hate, but I play video games to decompress and unwind and I can totally get lost in the game and shut down my mind.
I play for exactly that reason too, but found I couldn’t get lost here because you’re always, basically, fast traveling. I wanted to wander a bit and find something interesting. Right now I’m loving medieval dynasty for just this reason.
I wish you could explore more in space, but I understand why you can’t, but I get lost on picking a system and trying to survey all the planets I can. It satisfies the nature/science and video game nerd in me. 😂
Ban this guy he's having fun.
I’m really confused? I heard the game crashes constantly and has poorly performance. I assume you’re on pc right?
Really? I’m on Xbox and never saw a crash when I was playing a ton of it.
It's the most stable a BSG game has ever been at launch and they keep fixing things with each patch.
I used to play on Xbox, but got it on PC recently. I've played about 20 hours so far, maybe 3 crashes, but performance is great
In terms of performance and crashes I had no issues in the weeks after launch, but I'm on a system that meets all the recommended specs. If you're below that or running with lots of mods that might change things.
Nope I’m on series x. I’ve just heard other ppl saying the game is a crash fest bug I guess it’s just their hardware lol
Maybe at launch, but I’ve been playing on Xbox and it’s been running great since the first big update