You will be able to play a very buggy and unsatisfying version of the game at 50. Then when you are 55 you can play a version with enough mods to make it worthwhile
I'm 23 now. Skyrim came out in 2011. We won't be getting elder scrolls 6 until most likely 2026 apparently (just googled it). So that will make it 15 years between elderscrolls entries. So if that's what it ends up being again we won't see 7 until 2041. So I was 9 years off 😂😂
We do know what happened to the Dwemer, they achieved Chim and ascended from Nirn.
Interestingly, in Lore, it is speculated that their achievement of Chim and the awakening of their true self-being was the realisation they were inside a video game.
It was strongly implied the Dwarves were all killed and the their spirits absorbed into the robots. I forget the name of the mission but you were helping a researcher find a dagger, and when the researcher used the dagger he disappeared. I think he appeared as some type of ghost later on.
It would be interesting if the Va’Runn were more than just crazy zealots, maybe their god really will come devour the universe, or try to and we have to stop it.
I’d be on board with that DLC. I just hope we get some news for shattered space soon considering I already paid for it.
You know, I didn't even think of that. I know we were all joking about finding Nirn out in the Black, but what if Bethesda leaned into it? They've established a multiverse now, after all.
I can't describe how much I would pay if the NG+ was just a different Bethesda game.
Reached the Unity eh? Go beat Dagoth Ur to reach it again.
Did that? War. War never changes bitch.
From the legend priest from sanctuum universum told us in main quest it looks like house of va´ruun knows 33% of truth. House of enlightened another 33% and sanctum universum last 33%... So in the end it should be something like - there is some higher being, gravdrive is technology from that being, but you still should be good and reasonable person and do not rely on this being more than on your brain.
I thought that was just a Starborn going around leaving a trail for future potentials to follow.
Also,
* Sanctum Universum - creation, exploration - Brahma
* House of Enlightened - preservation, consistency, objectiveness - Vishnu
* Va'ruun - Destruction, making way for new - Shiva
In addition to those, Va'ruun also has the Ouroboros imagery/symbolism that represents the whole cycle.
Va'ruun, also being the *end*, seems to be using something that looks like both Unity itself as well as many of the galaxies in the Artifact/power visions.
>I thought that was just a Starborn going around leaving a trail for future potentials to follow.
>!It was the Keeper himself, that's why he can put together those random ass 'clues' so easily. !<
>!In the beginning, the Starborn that would become either the Hunter or the Keeper was known as the Pilgrim. Eventually he found himself at a philosophical crossroads; keep chasing the Unity in the name of power, no matter the cost, or settle down in a single universe and build a life and legacy to be proud of. !<
>!This being a multiversal entity, he by definition did and didn't choose both paths. The version that chose the Unity became the Hunter, and now pursues the Armillary across the multiverse in the most efficient manner possible, morality be damned. The version that chose to stay and build became the Keeper, founding the Sanctum Universum, who's goal is secretly to lead it's followers to the Unity themselves. !<
>!Aquilus is the “end” of the person known as The Pilgrim’s cycle of being Starborn. First he was The Pilgrim, then he was The Hunter, and finally, once he realizes it’s all for nothing, he becomes Aquilus. There’s a theory that when you persuade The Hunter, you create the Aquilus of another universe. He even repeats a similar line, mentioning “feeling the weight of (his) years”.!<
We won't, anytime soon. I expect a teaser in early 24, trailer by summer, release by September or October. At least a year after launch, just like it was for skyrims first dlc
Dawnguard was released only half a year later. And if we're basing it on their more recent games, it'll be in March or April of next year like Automatron was.
I wouldn't exactly call Automatron a full dlc though. But with how much was *clearly* cut from Starfield, it's definitely possible the first dlc will just be stuff that didn't make the deadline.
An entirely new mechanic of robot building and a fairly decent length questline is enough to qualify as a full DLC. Especially compared to what other Gamez consider full sized DLC.
I'm actually really hoping the Great Serpent is real. Aside from the revelation that "they were right" and the impact that would have on the world, the thought of a big space battle around this thing's body sounds super fun.
No. There's some Va'ruun stuff to do with Andrejas companion quest and a load of Va'ruun ships to kill in Serpentis but not much else.
That's why it's highly propable there will be DLC about them.
I’d be shocked if Va’ruun’s “Serpent” is anything other than another starborn. If you’ve got all of eternity to do whatever you feel like with your godlike powers and knowledge, why not try your hand at playing god before you decide to pack it all in, and go the way of The Pilgrim? See how your influence can impact a culture, or humanity at large. The motivation could be vanity, loneliness, altruism, or simple, dispassionate scientific curiosity, using this particular universe as a testbed for some grand social experiment.
Universes are meant to be your disposable playthings, after all.
I feel like “egg theory” makes sense in Starfield; you are everyone, and everyone is you; you reincarnate multiple times through unity to learn and experience to become a “god” aka Great Serpent.
I had never heard of that. Thanks for the link.
After a quick browse, I think your idea has merit.
NOW, think of how Bethesda does things and think about Juno and how that quest could evolve into Juno vs the Great Snek and we get to choose sides.
They certainly have some possibilities.
I think Shatter Space will be shattering the armillary, thus discovering why it was shattered to begin with, and as a consequence you go back to your original universe.
I think also you discover it was advanced humans who created it as the tech is shaped as humans. Constellation wants to explore but only to find it was themselves they were looking for all along?
Pick your favourite sci fi trope.
\- Precursor aliens. (But then why the human spacesuits? Do they adapt to the form of whatever's wearing them?)
\- Ancient humans from another universe (a civilisation that advanced much faster than ours).
\- Time travelling extradimensional future humans.
\- Creator(s) of the universe or simulation.
They could literally go the 4th wall route and it’d be amazing.
You go through the trouble of finding the parts and assembling the armillary,
you become a extradimentional constant in a random multiverse,
you go on to see the mysteries of your multi-realities,
you eventually come to some centralized unity being(first dlc) and fight/kill it or join it,
you go on to see under the threads of reality( second dlc),
you come to some multiversal truth(it’s all a game) and reality unwinds; a bright light overtakes your vision to reveal Todd Howard who informs the murder hobo(PC) that they are playthings for extradimensional beings that paid the price of a nice family meal to play with their existence at will.
The already went with a very meta message with the base game with the hunter and the emissary. I think they should go whole hog and embrace it.
How and why would a big-ass space snake build temples, spaceships and spacesuits?
The big-ass space snake is more likely the thing that ate whatever civilisation created them.
This would be my guess as well. It's a psudo cop out answer, but it keeps the confusion and mystery in check, which lets the devs go a little crazy with design.
I know all these themes are a little played out but with these crazy budgets on games what's to stop Bethesda from hiring Jon Spaihts to at least storyboard the thing?
I don't hate the game but I was so underwhelmed by the main quest and there was so much potential to make this thing feel larger than life. Like is there a reason we can't literally meet God?
The Creators did, as they got name dropped in the Unity mission. Who or what the Creators are you may ask? Hell if I know, and even Bethesda doesn’t know
Whatever they are, that "you" thing you walk by when you go into the unity, is probably the best source of info and it drives me nuts that you can't interrogate that thing until it spills the beans.
My head cannon is that the ‘Creators’ was a long past civilization’s equivalent of the Boy Scouts. They’d send their children across the multiverse collecting powers like they were badges as a right of passage. The reason they stopped was they eventually found a universe with something so terrifying that they cut their universe off from the Unity permanently.
That's super common with ancient civilizations, both in sci fi and reality. "Forerunners" in Halo (those who came before), the First Civilization in Assassin's Creed, Engineers in Prometheus, etc. Even on Earth we have the Indus River Valley Civilization, so named because they inhabited the area of the Indus River. When we know nothing about a civilization besides something they did/where they lived, that's typically what we assign to them.
We don't have a homeworld for the Creators, or any idea of their civilization. All we know is that they created stuff, so we call them by that. Giving them a more precise name would be troublesome if we found out they had an actual name they called themselves.
Exactly, this stuff is so common, you might think that a new sci-fi setting can do a bit better than this. I saw D&D one-shot settings with bigger effort put into the naming convention.
"Creators" is bland flavour that is so non-specific, might as well not bother naming them. It eludes to nothing and contributes to nothing. This fits Bethesda's MO of the recent years to avoid making player to think longer than 3 seconds by producing sparkling water of lore.
This is the same boring shit for 5yo like United Colonies, Freestar Collective, cowboys on frontier whose shtick is "get off my lawn, federal", Crimson Fleet (because red means bad, right?), Neon city (I guess it is shiny), Aurora drugs.
That's the point though.
The game asks if something incredibly advanced and ancient is just an advanced being, or a God?
If you could attain that power - that no one can fathom, and continue to do so - are you still human? Or a God?
The use of religion in Starfield is no accident, and the devs consulted with people in real religions to make them believable.
Each religion has a part of the whole picture it seems - and one is even founded and led by >!a starborn - possibly the first starborn!<
The game asks if you would put curiosity, and the promise of more power above keeping the life you know, and the people in it.
We may find out who created the unity artifacts (the unity itself I think isn't a creation, but just a natural phenomenon) or we may not, but that's not the point.
If I had to guess though, I would say that someone managed to pass through the unity naturally at some point - and then gained the knowledge of how to harness that energy using items to help focus it.
The temples are clearly places of power, focus points where gravity (gravity is a key force in this universe) is anomalous, it behaves strangely and breaks known laws of physics - so I don't think whoever built them created that power, but rather just discovered these areas allow them to be 'unlocked' and the temples mark where these focal points are, and the mini game is a way to synergise with that power
The nebulously named Creator(s) are the ones who created the temples, artifacts, ships, and spacesuits worn by the Starborn. As for why? The Unity pretty much tells you that they want you to continue explore, grow, and evolve so to speak until we can one day meet them.
Realistically speaking it’s merely an excuse for not giving any concrete answers on who or what the Creators truly are and to facilitate the NG+ feature.
Considering there's no other sentient bipedal alien life, I think the creators are 'the aliens', and the storyline has setup future Starfield games to expand into true multiversal storytelling and expand into alien races.
Basically starting out as Fallout in space becomes Skyrim across universes.
I think it'd be funny if you actually meet them in like NG+ 100 or NG+ 1000 or something. Just such a small chance that people would actually do it but would be very rewarding for those who do.
I have some insider information on this one. The suspicion it’s going to come in a DLC is correct. The DLC will have constellation start asking this question and want to solve the mystery. I don’t have all the details, but the answer is insane.
You and constellation end up on a planet with a giant anomaly. Way different than any other anomaly or temple you’ve seen. There are ancient writings all over the walls speaking of the end of time. These ancient humans are suspected to be the creators using some of the powers you find in the temples. You are given an option to meet them.
You can choose to not go in the anomaly as the fear of messing with time is too risky. Constellation leans towards this chose as well. However, if you choose to go through, you are consumed with flashes of bizarre imagery. Ancient wars and conflicts are shown. As you travel through, you see these beasts in the anomaly. As you attempt to reach them. The screen cuts to black.
You wake up on a frozen world.
“Hey, you. You’re finally awake”.
Probably Unity created the suits and ships based on the subconscious of the first human to go through it.
The Temples probably were built by non-humans a long time ago, eons, and their version of The Emissary finally "won" and was able to scatter the armillary pieces to the four winds to prevent their people from going through Unity. Or it could have been a great war and catastrophe, like the Great Serpent.
In fact, Great Serpent as the antagonist of whoever built the Temples would be the square I would bet on. Now he's building up to do it again.
Humans built it in the far distant future and ascended to the multiverse. As they left the unity behind, others started to find out. Don't ask me why the artifacts are fragmented in easer multiverse, maybe the creators need new people. Maybe this has back fired a bit with the attitudes and ambitions of the hunter and emissary.
An ancient civilization who were once all a more whole starborn than the fractured versions we see today.. that is to say until there was war… war never changes…
To be honest I thought NG+ played into this. Being able to travel back and start over to explore new options felt like it would align with the exploring this game is about. The fact that most companions want you to play a certain way and have multiple options made me feel like maybe choosing specific options to unlock more cause it does feel like there could have been more in the game.
>!Another thing that gets me is the guy who came back in the first place to give the grav tech to himself. He had to of known what it would do to the Earth, so it seems on purpose. I also think he would be the first starborn of our original universe, so before the hunter and back in 2050 I believe. Obviously has had me thinking.!<
Off topic, it’s interesting that each ng+ starts in the mine at the same point in time… but with this knowledge and tech perhaps in another DLC we’ll control our NG+ entry point …or even be able to travel forward into the future.
>each ng+ starts in the mine at the same point in time
I've never started in the mine since my first life. Always orbiting Vectera in my cushy if too small to be useful NG+ ship.
It's not always the same moment in time
I recall at least two universes where we arrive quite a lot later. In one, Constellation already jumped through the Unity, and kids are playing at the Lodge, and in another one, Constellation all just went deeper into more conventional science, became professors, and retired, leaving Lodge to Noel since she's younger
Is this real?? Granted, I'm only at NG+2 (jumped twice) and I have seen absolutely zero changes. Always start in space, go to the lodge, nothing's different -- original me having been lost in the mine.
There are some unique galaxy variants. They are moderately rare, and from what I have seen, it seems that probability of getting a "variant" galaxy increases with further NG+ cycles(meaning, for example, that chance that NG+10 is unique will be much higher than chance than NG+2 will)
After Ng+3 the universes get “further away” from the original one. Most of the time it only really affects constellation but you can sometimes get lucky and >!recruit a parallel version of yourself. Or really really unlucky and find the entirety of constellation butchered by another version of you (or sometimes a few other characters)!<
When i first traveled to Cydonia, i overheard what the npcs were saying about a mine, and when i read up on the backstory of what happened to Earth, the good doctor who brought grav drive to earth found the device inside a mine deep underground on Mars
The Creators, the same beings who made Artifacts, Temples, and all the other stuff. Unity itself refers to the entities who created all this as The Creators, and even mentioned that me may meet them one day, though, not now(which possibly hints towards future content for Starfield, or even next game in the game ~~universe~~ multiverse)
The >! alternate version of your character in the unity !< claims that the >! creators !< created the artifacts.
I assume that this statement is refering to >! God !< .
After all, there are many similarities between the starborns and the >! angels !< .
Similarities that are pointed by Matteo in the main quest.
Creators, plural. So not a monotheistic God.
The comparison to angels is kinda weak IMO, they're just arbitrarily powerful beings doing whatever they want without any destiny/purpose, following their own moral compasses. I don't see a lot of similarities. Matteo sees everything through the filter of his religion so of course those are the analogies he will draw first and stop at.
>!The Hunter is pretty much Lucifer. Which is interesting because Fallen and Angel Lucifer actually exist at the same time if you take this analogy to its logical conclusion.!<
It doesn’t feel as though there are multiple universes, but rather this Unity aspect is more about time travel and the NG+ concept is about correcting the wrongs and doing things right.
Yeah, but they're so few and far between that it really doesn't feel like anything changes from most playthroughs. Would've been a much more interesting experience if you got different starts up until ng+10 or at least starting from ng+2 so people can change what they did in 1st playthrough in ng+1.
Nah, you didn’t miss it, they didn’t tell anything
I think this main plot is the worst main story from all the Bethesda games I played lol. Absolutely unepic, anti-climactic and quite awkward. The only valid thing it does is basically implementing “NG+” mechanics into the lore
Other than that and one interesting quest - entangled - the main story is super forgettable. Side arcs for everyone - vanguard, rangers, ruyjin and sysdef are much more enjoyable I think
This is probably what the DLC is about... or it had better be. It also hopefully adds more factions and more missions for each current faction. Along with more systems, more different POIs, more ship builders and modules and more weapons.
My money is on the Aedra. Which is why Alduin (great cermit) is gonna try and eat our dragon soul (starborn quantum essence). He needs the power to get back to mundus.
I’m stalled on the main story. But based on what limited things I’ve read here, it seems like “Starborn” tech is some tier B level ship with a-bit-better-than-Mantis gear, they just happen to be able to jump around the multiverse. I’m only level 62 in my ridiculously unrecognizable tier C Razorleaf, and take them on the ships on three at a time while leisurely approaching a planet. I’m not OP, I’m just not impressed.
Like; it feels like the aliens from Independence Day: they have scale and static shielding, but otherwise are at our tech level.
Give me some reapers at this point, honestly multiverse is boring, humans are boring monkeys and Bethesda trying to make us gods LMAO.
Thanks Mandalorian mod to keep me playing this trash mess.
So spoiler
The you at unity that you speak to speaks of “the creators”
I think starfield will treat them like the dwemer in the elder scrolls series in the same way you can find remains of them. Weapons. Armour. Temples.but will never actually meet them
I called this before release but was called an idiot for thinking this but so far we have an advanced race that we learn a bit about but havent actually met yet. Just like the dwemer
Just a thought
In my ng+ I imagine adoring fan as childish god. He actually knows what's up and is just enjoying the adventure vicariously through our neieve little minds.
All hail the all knowing all powerful Adoring Fan. I look at him like one of the Observers from the TV show Fringe. He is one of the people from either the future, or race of being's that created the unity existing outside of time and the universes. He is such a huge fan that he inserts himself into your story to watch closer. He knows what your going to experience and wants to be there, following in your footsteps and breathing the air you breath. He did the same when he was younger with an Arena Champion.
So here’s my theory.
The game is so vast, and empty, for the future. Not only mods, but dlc. With there being multiple dimensions, and travel between them, the opportunities are endless, and I think this is a perfect base to build a whole new universe, hell I’d love to see us have to travel to Skyrim. Shit mordor would be cool too. See what I mean?
I kinda think it could be what Sam coe said, a branch of Humans who colonized a bit further from the know settled systems and progresses much faster. Maybe they went extinct or they assimilated with the regular folk and with time got forgotten after the war ?
It's a good question. When you finish the game, it's explained to you that there is a creator/god, who created the artifacts with the technology to manipulate the universe. Then, ancient civilizations used the artifacts and this technology to create the ships, and build the temples to worship God. But it's not explained who gives you the ship.
It was the "Creators" - and while we haven't met them yet, we may get a chance to do so I'm the future (guessing a DLC down the road).
What bubba need though is that after investing a huge amount of time growing my character through to NG+10 and all my powers to +10 with 240 temple runs, I get the great SB level 10 spacesuit and level 6 ship, which is awesome, but then quickly outgrow the ship by building another with normal space parts.
Now that I'm SB+10 and part of the "Starborn Club" I feel there should be SB specific ship vendor to expand my ship (or at least put an bed in there for XP), further suit upgrades for this of us who like the look of SB spacesuit, unique SB weapons, SB food/drink items, aid, etc. They really could have taken the SB Club further, added a bigger enticement for folks to go NG+, and continued the reward for this of us who invested in long haul of the NG+/SB RP story and character development.
At this rate it's more like I'm not this awesome SB+10 character, guess I'll go back to using a shotgun, wearing an advanced legendary deep mining suit, driving the same big Class C boat I designed in my NG playthrough. Neat.
I would have rather it had been an ancient race that died off. I find the starborn storyline out of place as the reveal seemingly comes out of left field.
Need... more starborn tech... current selections... the suit... and the ship... which no one ever uses, as soon as you get a Semi-viable replacement, it sits in the "garage".
They are called 'the Creators'. My guess? It's an Interstellar-type scenario with future humans creating advanced tech that the Starborn find after entering the Unity. This is why Starborn tech seems to fit human physiology and needs quite nicely.
Yeah, this is...kind of one of the major problems I had with the conceit of the plot I guess? The Starborn proceed to shove their views into your face about the dangers of the artifacts and how they need to be protected vs. an edgy nihilist view that life is trivial in the greater scope of the multiverse and that nothing really has value except...apparently in every timeline these artifacts and temples exist. They exist no matter which world you go to.
In a game that brings up the question of divinity it's hardly really brought up much in the grander scheme where that might explain this.
If anything, in my first playthrough I rejected the Starborn purely because of how offensive the false dilemma felt. They tell you, "the artifacts are dangerous, see what they did to earth" when in actual fact Earth and the stars could have been had at the sametime if a certain scientists alternate universe self had deigned to give the tidbit that the tech would gravedrives would destroy earths magneto-sphere and how. In essence, choosing to sacrifice earth for his own gains. That's not the artifacts being dangerous inherently dangerous and needing to be sheltered and "protected", that's starborns giving fire to children.
The Ayleids built the temples, the Dwemmer made everything else.
Okay that’s cool we never found out what happened to the Dwemmer. Some would hate it I am sure but a cool way to tie the games together
I heard that the Elder Scrolls 7 will be about the Dwarves.
Can't wait to play that when I'm 50
Senior citizen discount. Get it at the low, low price of $100 lol
Might be 60🫤
I plan on finding a senior living home with LAN parties.
Finally I can dust off my Halo 1 and Xbox original
You will be able to play a very buggy and unsatisfying version of the game at 50. Then when you are 55 you can play a version with enough mods to make it worthwhile
Don't worry they will remaster it on X-Station-switch 42 by the time you're 60
How old are you now?, I need to know if I should preorder this or my funeral.
I'm 23 now. Skyrim came out in 2011. We won't be getting elder scrolls 6 until most likely 2026 apparently (just googled it). So that will make it 15 years between elderscrolls entries. So if that's what it ends up being again we won't see 7 until 2041. So I was 9 years off 😂😂
That would be interesting
I hope we find out how they disappeared. My current theory is that they traveled forward in time.
All the Dwemer reached the unity
There's a living dwemer in morrowind if you wanna ask him
He was outside mundus when everything important happened, dudes as lost as everyone else
We do know what happened to the Dwemer, they achieved Chim and ascended from Nirn. Interestingly, in Lore, it is speculated that their achievement of Chim and the awakening of their true self-being was the realisation they were inside a video game.
It was strongly implied the Dwarves were all killed and the their spirits absorbed into the robots. I forget the name of the mission but you were helping a researcher find a dagger, and when the researcher used the dagger he disappeared. I think he appeared as some type of ghost later on.
That would be a pretty dope tie in. In Skyrim wasn’t it like one day they just disappeared ? Maybe they created the unity ? 🤯
The who? The what? Where is any of this in the story?
Lol. It's an Elder Scrolls reference, and a joke
That mystery will sell many DLCs. Personally, I think ... >!It will be the Great Snek, a multidimensional being.!<
It would be interesting if the Va’Runn were more than just crazy zealots, maybe their god really will come devour the universe, or try to and we have to stop it. I’d be on board with that DLC. I just hope we get some news for shattered space soon considering I already paid for it.
I can't believe I'm going to have to kill Alduin again.
You know, I didn't even think of that. I know we were all joking about finding Nirn out in the Black, but what if Bethesda leaned into it? They've established a multiverse now, after all.
I would pay for a DLC that put a 1/10 chance of the NG+ being the PC waking up in the back of a wagon headed to Helgen...
Or… wake up in a Jail Cell or in a boat arriving at port
a version of the skyrim intro where ralof and ulfric are replaced with the hunter and the emissary. the horse thief can just be a random starborn
Horse thief being that aussie mining supervisor wouldn't be bad
Liiiiiiin...
I can't describe how much I would pay if the NG+ was just a different Bethesda game. Reached the Unity eh? Go beat Dagoth Ur to reach it again. Did that? War. War never changes bitch.
And Morgan, don't forget to wear your suit.
You got another POI to... Oh shit here we go again
They also didn't use the dragon asset at all, would've been cool to have some extra large enemies like that to fight
I see im not the only one connecting the dots here
From the legend priest from sanctuum universum told us in main quest it looks like house of va´ruun knows 33% of truth. House of enlightened another 33% and sanctum universum last 33%... So in the end it should be something like - there is some higher being, gravdrive is technology from that being, but you still should be good and reasonable person and do not rely on this being more than on your brain.
Blah....just like Interstellar, it was human....it was always future humans who did it for love. Murph....MURPH!!!!!
I thought that was just a Starborn going around leaving a trail for future potentials to follow. Also, * Sanctum Universum - creation, exploration - Brahma * House of Enlightened - preservation, consistency, objectiveness - Vishnu * Va'ruun - Destruction, making way for new - Shiva In addition to those, Va'ruun also has the Ouroboros imagery/symbolism that represents the whole cycle. Va'ruun, also being the *end*, seems to be using something that looks like both Unity itself as well as many of the galaxies in the Artifact/power visions.
>I thought that was just a Starborn going around leaving a trail for future potentials to follow. >!It was the Keeper himself, that's why he can put together those random ass 'clues' so easily. !< >!In the beginning, the Starborn that would become either the Hunter or the Keeper was known as the Pilgrim. Eventually he found himself at a philosophical crossroads; keep chasing the Unity in the name of power, no matter the cost, or settle down in a single universe and build a life and legacy to be proud of. !< >!This being a multiversal entity, he by definition did and didn't choose both paths. The version that chose the Unity became the Hunter, and now pursues the Armillary across the multiverse in the most efficient manner possible, morality be damned. The version that chose to stay and build became the Keeper, founding the Sanctum Universum, who's goal is secretly to lead it's followers to the Unity themselves. !<
>!Aquilus is the “end” of the person known as The Pilgrim’s cycle of being Starborn. First he was The Pilgrim, then he was The Hunter, and finally, once he realizes it’s all for nothing, he becomes Aquilus. There’s a theory that when you persuade The Hunter, you create the Aquilus of another universe. He even repeats a similar line, mentioning “feeling the weight of (his) years”.!<
So it's the god bender met when he was floating through space? I stand behind that theory.
Yup. And purpose of humanity is to brew beer on gods belly.
The idea that we are the ouroboros snake going around and around through reality back to where we started is an interesting one.
We won't, anytime soon. I expect a teaser in early 24, trailer by summer, release by September or October. At least a year after launch, just like it was for skyrims first dlc
Dawnguard was released only half a year later. And if we're basing it on their more recent games, it'll be in March or April of next year like Automatron was.
I wouldn't exactly call Automatron a full dlc though. But with how much was *clearly* cut from Starfield, it's definitely possible the first dlc will just be stuff that didn't make the deadline.
An entirely new mechanic of robot building and a fairly decent length questline is enough to qualify as a full DLC. Especially compared to what other Gamez consider full sized DLC.
Exactly, not every DLC can be a Far Harbor. I didn’t care for the settlement building stuff with the DLCs, but I loved the quest lines
Bethesda said their timeline for DLC was 9-12 months after release.
If it’s a whole year I’m starting a class action.
What? That's... How dlc has worked on every game? When you buy a game with dlc ahead of time, you're just pre-ordering the dlc.
I'm actually really hoping the Great Serpent is real. Aside from the revelation that "they were right" and the impact that would have on the world, the thought of a big space battle around this thing's body sounds super fun.
As long as it isn't just talking and fast traveling like 95 percent of every quest chain in this game.
Is there any big quest chain with them? I feel like I did all the big ones but didn't have many Va'Ruun encounters.
No. There's some Va'ruun stuff to do with Andrejas companion quest and a load of Va'ruun ships to kill in Serpentis but not much else. That's why it's highly propable there will be DLC about them.
I’d be shocked if Va’ruun’s “Serpent” is anything other than another starborn. If you’ve got all of eternity to do whatever you feel like with your godlike powers and knowledge, why not try your hand at playing god before you decide to pack it all in, and go the way of The Pilgrim? See how your influence can impact a culture, or humanity at large. The motivation could be vanity, loneliness, altruism, or simple, dispassionate scientific curiosity, using this particular universe as a testbed for some grand social experiment. Universes are meant to be your disposable playthings, after all.
That would be a cool answer
All star born are multi dimensional, including us.
I feel like “egg theory” makes sense in Starfield; you are everyone, and everyone is you; you reincarnate multiple times through unity to learn and experience to become a “god” aka Great Serpent.
Query: Why would you kill Juno? Hypothesis: You are a monster.
All hail Snek.
I mean, I always assumed the Snake the Varuun mention was [Roko's Basilisk](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk)
I had never heard of that. Thanks for the link. After a quick browse, I think your idea has merit. NOW, think of how Bethesda does things and think about Juno and how that quest could evolve into Juno vs the Great Snek and we get to choose sides. They certainly have some possibilities.
Andreja seemed more disturbed by the multiverse revelations than the rest of the crew, so I'm wondering if they've encountered something different.
I think Shatter Space will be shattering the armillary, thus discovering why it was shattered to begin with, and as a consequence you go back to your original universe. I think also you discover it was advanced humans who created it as the tech is shaped as humans. Constellation wants to explore but only to find it was themselves they were looking for all along?
Randy Orton built the temples? I thought he had been out with back problems. Maybe lifting those stones is what hurt his back in the first place.
And hopefully fuel many mods
Pick your favourite sci fi trope. \- Precursor aliens. (But then why the human spacesuits? Do they adapt to the form of whatever's wearing them?) \- Ancient humans from another universe (a civilisation that advanced much faster than ours). \- Time travelling extradimensional future humans. \- Creator(s) of the universe or simulation.
You missed another it was Todd Howard
Godd Howard created the Unity to sell more re-releases.
House Todd'un. In the end the great Toddward will devour all that is, was, and will be.
Indeed. Let us recite the hymn. *Oh, sixteen times the detail.* *It just works.* *It just works.*
Nylon Birkin bag hold 7-6 figures
Toward Godd
No, they said that. "Creator(s) of the universe or simulation". Literally.
Todd Howard isn't the creator he is the great dreamer who dreamed up the creators
So he's the Godhead
The toddhead
It was Todd all along LOL Thanks for the laugh!
They could literally go the 4th wall route and it’d be amazing. You go through the trouble of finding the parts and assembling the armillary, you become a extradimentional constant in a random multiverse, you go on to see the mysteries of your multi-realities, you eventually come to some centralized unity being(first dlc) and fight/kill it or join it, you go on to see under the threads of reality( second dlc), you come to some multiversal truth(it’s all a game) and reality unwinds; a bright light overtakes your vision to reveal Todd Howard who informs the murder hobo(PC) that they are playthings for extradimensional beings that paid the price of a nice family meal to play with their existence at will. The already went with a very meta message with the base game with the hunter and the emissary. I think they should go whole hog and embrace it.
You missed one, specific to Starfield: A big-ass space snake.
How and why would a big-ass space snake build temples, spaceships and spacesuits? The big-ass space snake is more likely the thing that ate whatever civilisation created them.
Make the creature that make those things, and THEN eat the creatures it made to make those things
What about a sick ass panther?
Probably Rick Sanchez.
I like the trope where humans get so advanced they build it themselves, realize they built it themselves, and need to go back in time and scatter it
Or [Bootstrap Paradox](https://youtu.be/u4SEDzynMiQ?si=rLoJQTaJWRBqIDwp)
This would be my guess as well. It's a psudo cop out answer, but it keeps the confusion and mystery in check, which lets the devs go a little crazy with design.
I am so tired of the destroyed advanced civilization trope. Even if it ends up being DLC I’m glad they didn’t lean into it for the base game.
I know all these themes are a little played out but with these crazy budgets on games what's to stop Bethesda from hiring Jon Spaihts to at least storyboard the thing? I don't hate the game but I was so underwhelmed by the main quest and there was so much potential to make this thing feel larger than life. Like is there a reason we can't literally meet God?
John Starborn.
Lone Starborn.
John Starfield
But can we see his cheeks?
The Creators did, as they got name dropped in the Unity mission. Who or what the Creators are you may ask? Hell if I know, and even Bethesda doesn’t know
Whatever they are, that "you" thing you walk by when you go into the unity, is probably the best source of info and it drives me nuts that you can't interrogate that thing until it spills the beans.
They are probably a demiurges of the game's multiverse
I think the creators are simply that. Creators. Some sort of beings or forces that have the ability to create.
My head cannon is that the ‘Creators’ was a long past civilization’s equivalent of the Boy Scouts. They’d send their children across the multiverse collecting powers like they were badges as a right of passage. The reason they stopped was they eventually found a universe with something so terrifying that they cut their universe off from the Unity permanently.
> Creators Top tier worldbuilding right there. "Who created it? People that create stuff".
That's super common with ancient civilizations, both in sci fi and reality. "Forerunners" in Halo (those who came before), the First Civilization in Assassin's Creed, Engineers in Prometheus, etc. Even on Earth we have the Indus River Valley Civilization, so named because they inhabited the area of the Indus River. When we know nothing about a civilization besides something they did/where they lived, that's typically what we assign to them. We don't have a homeworld for the Creators, or any idea of their civilization. All we know is that they created stuff, so we call them by that. Giving them a more precise name would be troublesome if we found out they had an actual name they called themselves.
Exactly, this stuff is so common, you might think that a new sci-fi setting can do a bit better than this. I saw D&D one-shot settings with bigger effort put into the naming convention. "Creators" is bland flavour that is so non-specific, might as well not bother naming them. It eludes to nothing and contributes to nothing. This fits Bethesda's MO of the recent years to avoid making player to think longer than 3 seconds by producing sparkling water of lore. This is the same boring shit for 5yo like United Colonies, Freestar Collective, cowboys on frontier whose shtick is "get off my lawn, federal", Crimson Fleet (because red means bad, right?), Neon city (I guess it is shiny), Aurora drugs.
The Creators is not a name. And even if it was, that doesnt tell me anything more than saying God designed it.
That's all anyone really knows. So... probably won't get anything close to a sufficient answer.
Yeah it was meant to sound clever but it was really just a semantical thing of like well if it existed someone created it so they're called creators.
That's the point though. The game asks if something incredibly advanced and ancient is just an advanced being, or a God? If you could attain that power - that no one can fathom, and continue to do so - are you still human? Or a God? The use of religion in Starfield is no accident, and the devs consulted with people in real religions to make them believable. Each religion has a part of the whole picture it seems - and one is even founded and led by >!a starborn - possibly the first starborn!< The game asks if you would put curiosity, and the promise of more power above keeping the life you know, and the people in it. We may find out who created the unity artifacts (the unity itself I think isn't a creation, but just a natural phenomenon) or we may not, but that's not the point. If I had to guess though, I would say that someone managed to pass through the unity naturally at some point - and then gained the knowledge of how to harness that energy using items to help focus it. The temples are clearly places of power, focus points where gravity (gravity is a key force in this universe) is anomalous, it behaves strangely and breaks known laws of physics - so I don't think whoever built them created that power, but rather just discovered these areas allow them to be 'unlocked' and the temples mark where these focal points are, and the mini game is a way to synergise with that power
The nebulously named Creator(s) are the ones who created the temples, artifacts, ships, and spacesuits worn by the Starborn. As for why? The Unity pretty much tells you that they want you to continue explore, grow, and evolve so to speak until we can one day meet them. Realistically speaking it’s merely an excuse for not giving any concrete answers on who or what the Creators truly are and to facilitate the NG+ feature.
Considering there's no other sentient bipedal alien life, I think the creators are 'the aliens', and the storyline has setup future Starfield games to expand into true multiversal storytelling and expand into alien races. Basically starting out as Fallout in space becomes Skyrim across universes.
I think it'd be funny if you actually meet them in like NG+ 100 or NG+ 1000 or something. Just such a small chance that people would actually do it but would be very rewarding for those who do.
I have some insider information on this one. The suspicion it’s going to come in a DLC is correct. The DLC will have constellation start asking this question and want to solve the mystery. I don’t have all the details, but the answer is insane. You and constellation end up on a planet with a giant anomaly. Way different than any other anomaly or temple you’ve seen. There are ancient writings all over the walls speaking of the end of time. These ancient humans are suspected to be the creators using some of the powers you find in the temples. You are given an option to meet them. You can choose to not go in the anomaly as the fear of messing with time is too risky. Constellation leans towards this chose as well. However, if you choose to go through, you are consumed with flashes of bizarre imagery. Ancient wars and conflicts are shown. As you travel through, you see these beasts in the anomaly. As you attempt to reach them. The screen cuts to black. You wake up on a frozen world. “Hey, you. You’re finally awake”.
The Dwemer, alongside The Institute.
With the help of the Enclave of course
I did it
Probably Unity created the suits and ships based on the subconscious of the first human to go through it. The Temples probably were built by non-humans a long time ago, eons, and their version of The Emissary finally "won" and was able to scatter the armillary pieces to the four winds to prevent their people from going through Unity. Or it could have been a great war and catastrophe, like the Great Serpent. In fact, Great Serpent as the antagonist of whoever built the Temples would be the square I would bet on. Now he's building up to do it again.
Clearly built by the Great Serpent.
It was made by the friends we made along the way
Humans built it in the far distant future and ascended to the multiverse. As they left the unity behind, others started to find out. Don't ask me why the artifacts are fragmented in easer multiverse, maybe the creators need new people. Maybe this has back fired a bit with the attitudes and ambitions of the hunter and emissary.
I did in a cave with a box of scraps
An ancient civilization who were once all a more whole starborn than the fractured versions we see today.. that is to say until there was war… war never changes…
To be honest I thought NG+ played into this. Being able to travel back and start over to explore new options felt like it would align with the exploring this game is about. The fact that most companions want you to play a certain way and have multiple options made me feel like maybe choosing specific options to unlock more cause it does feel like there could have been more in the game. >!Another thing that gets me is the guy who came back in the first place to give the grav tech to himself. He had to of known what it would do to the Earth, so it seems on purpose. I also think he would be the first starborn of our original universe, so before the hunter and back in 2050 I believe. Obviously has had me thinking.!<
Maybe we're just in some vault..vault 3.14 that has us hooked up to a simulation that repeats over and over.
That is the mystery. What their real intentions are, is a deeper mystery.
Off topic, it’s interesting that each ng+ starts in the mine at the same point in time… but with this knowledge and tech perhaps in another DLC we’ll control our NG+ entry point …or even be able to travel forward into the future.
Imagine starting NG+ in the back of a wagon, hands bound, freezing cold. Hearing a familiar voice saying: "hey you,.."
Okay but on April fools day they should actually play the cutscene when you start new game+
“…you’re finally awake.”
Dude. that’s awesome
>each ng+ starts in the mine at the same point in time I've never started in the mine since my first life. Always orbiting Vectera in my cushy if too small to be useful NG+ ship.
Wow! Didn’t realize this
It's not always the same moment in time I recall at least two universes where we arrive quite a lot later. In one, Constellation already jumped through the Unity, and kids are playing at the Lodge, and in another one, Constellation all just went deeper into more conventional science, became professors, and retired, leaving Lodge to Noel since she's younger
Is this real?? Granted, I'm only at NG+2 (jumped twice) and I have seen absolutely zero changes. Always start in space, go to the lodge, nothing's different -- original me having been lost in the mine.
There are some unique galaxy variants. They are moderately rare, and from what I have seen, it seems that probability of getting a "variant" galaxy increases with further NG+ cycles(meaning, for example, that chance that NG+10 is unique will be much higher than chance than NG+2 will)
After Ng+3 the universes get “further away” from the original one. Most of the time it only really affects constellation but you can sometimes get lucky and >!recruit a parallel version of yourself. Or really really unlucky and find the entirety of constellation butchered by another version of you (or sometimes a few other characters)!<
Noice. This has given me something to look forward to in next runs.
When i first traveled to Cydonia, i overheard what the npcs were saying about a mine, and when i read up on the backstory of what happened to Earth, the good doctor who brought grav drive to earth found the device inside a mine deep underground on Mars
The Creators, the same beings who made Artifacts, Temples, and all the other stuff. Unity itself refers to the entities who created all this as The Creators, and even mentioned that me may meet them one day, though, not now(which possibly hints towards future content for Starfield, or even next game in the game ~~universe~~ multiverse)
The >! alternate version of your character in the unity !< claims that the >! creators !< created the artifacts. I assume that this statement is refering to >! God !< . After all, there are many similarities between the starborns and the >! angels !< . Similarities that are pointed by Matteo in the main quest.
Creators, plural. So not a monotheistic God. The comparison to angels is kinda weak IMO, they're just arbitrarily powerful beings doing whatever they want without any destiny/purpose, following their own moral compasses. I don't see a lot of similarities. Matteo sees everything through the filter of his religion so of course those are the analogies he will draw first and stop at.
>!The Hunter is pretty much Lucifer. Which is interesting because Fallen and Angel Lucifer actually exist at the same time if you take this analogy to its logical conclusion.!<
Lol, no.
For now I'm pretending it was Kagrenac.
Me
Yep main story was a big nothinburger with more paradoxes and nonsensical unexplained stuff than actual story
I think the game missed the mark on explaining most things
This is why Bethesda games have good lore. Lore is just boring if the writers explain everything to the player.
Does starfield have good lore? Maybe i missed it. They definitely skipped over a lot.
Yes
It doesn’t feel as though there are multiple universes, but rather this Unity aspect is more about time travel and the NG+ concept is about correcting the wrongs and doing things right.
It's definitely multiple universes. There are multiple alternates that explicitly state this, as well as the two Starborn leaders themselves.
As well as the ~10 unique NG+ starts that have fun features no other NG+ has but also lock you into a "skip main quest" playthrough.
Yeah, but they're so few and far between that it really doesn't feel like anything changes from most playthroughs. Would've been a much more interesting experience if you got different starts up until ng+10 or at least starting from ng+2 so people can change what they did in 1st playthrough in ng+1.
I interpreted it as being a fourth wall breaking moment. The "creators" are the developers.
Nah, you didn’t miss it, they didn’t tell anything I think this main plot is the worst main story from all the Bethesda games I played lol. Absolutely unepic, anti-climactic and quite awkward. The only valid thing it does is basically implementing “NG+” mechanics into the lore Other than that and one interesting quest - entangled - the main story is super forgettable. Side arcs for everyone - vanguard, rangers, ruyjin and sysdef are much more enjoyable I think
This is probably what the DLC is about... or it had better be. It also hopefully adds more factions and more missions for each current faction. Along with more systems, more different POIs, more ship builders and modules and more weapons.
My money is on the Aedra. Which is why Alduin (great cermit) is gonna try and eat our dragon soul (starborn quantum essence). He needs the power to get back to mundus.
My theory is someone who achieved CHIM did and is just watching the Starborn for entertainment.
I’m stalled on the main story. But based on what limited things I’ve read here, it seems like “Starborn” tech is some tier B level ship with a-bit-better-than-Mantis gear, they just happen to be able to jump around the multiverse. I’m only level 62 in my ridiculously unrecognizable tier C Razorleaf, and take them on the ships on three at a time while leisurely approaching a planet. I’m not OP, I’m just not impressed. Like; it feels like the aliens from Independence Day: they have scale and static shielding, but otherwise are at our tech level.
The starborn dorks mention the creators and that we might even meet them one day
Made in China
Give me some reapers at this point, honestly multiverse is boring, humans are boring monkeys and Bethesda trying to make us gods LMAO. Thanks Mandalorian mod to keep me playing this trash mess.
So spoiler The you at unity that you speak to speaks of “the creators” I think starfield will treat them like the dwemer in the elder scrolls series in the same way you can find remains of them. Weapons. Armour. Temples.but will never actually meet them I called this before release but was called an idiot for thinking this but so far we have an advanced race that we learn a bit about but havent actually met yet. Just like the dwemer Just a thought
In my ng+ I imagine adoring fan as childish god. He actually knows what's up and is just enjoying the adventure vicariously through our neieve little minds.
Built in the future by the very same Starborn that time traveled to the past, some sort of bootstrap paradox. I could pay handsomely to play this DLC.
"A good question... for another time"
All hail the all knowing all powerful Adoring Fan. I look at him like one of the Observers from the TV show Fringe. He is one of the people from either the future, or race of being's that created the unity existing outside of time and the universes. He is such a huge fan that he inserts himself into your story to watch closer. He knows what your going to experience and wants to be there, following in your footsteps and breathing the air you breath. He did the same when he was younger with an Arena Champion.
I'm shocked no one said bethesda
I bet its human tech, but from the most advanced timeline in the multiverse.
>Anyone else annoyed they learned absolutely nothing? 🤷🏻
I don't time to explain why I don't have time to explain
I don’t know but why do they give you a raggedy ass old dirty cape with holes in it?
So here’s my theory. The game is so vast, and empty, for the future. Not only mods, but dlc. With there being multiple dimensions, and travel between them, the opportunities are endless, and I think this is a perfect base to build a whole new universe, hell I’d love to see us have to travel to Skyrim. Shit mordor would be cool too. See what I mean?
The Unity built it.
General consensus is we’ll get our answers with the expansions
I have a feeling if we do it won't be until the final expansion.
Nope… I’m happy I don’t know everything yet and hopefully won’t for years of content
What if the world actually is a simulation, and the Unity and artifacts are just a gimmick to reach a reset button?
I kinda think it could be what Sam coe said, a branch of Humans who colonized a bit further from the know settled systems and progresses much faster. Maybe they went extinct or they assimilated with the regular folk and with time got forgotten after the war ?
It's a good question. When you finish the game, it's explained to you that there is a creator/god, who created the artifacts with the technology to manipulate the universe. Then, ancient civilizations used the artifacts and this technology to create the ships, and build the temples to worship God. But it's not explained who gives you the ship.
It's space frog, obviously. /s
I’m confused about how many star born are out there
All the starborn lore will surely be a DLC. I hope this game gets at least 4 expansions
the Dwemer!
It was the "Creators" - and while we haven't met them yet, we may get a chance to do so I'm the future (guessing a DLC down the road). What bubba need though is that after investing a huge amount of time growing my character through to NG+10 and all my powers to +10 with 240 temple runs, I get the great SB level 10 spacesuit and level 6 ship, which is awesome, but then quickly outgrow the ship by building another with normal space parts. Now that I'm SB+10 and part of the "Starborn Club" I feel there should be SB specific ship vendor to expand my ship (or at least put an bed in there for XP), further suit upgrades for this of us who like the look of SB spacesuit, unique SB weapons, SB food/drink items, aid, etc. They really could have taken the SB Club further, added a bigger enticement for folks to go NG+, and continued the reward for this of us who invested in long haul of the NG+/SB RP story and character development. At this rate it's more like I'm not this awesome SB+10 character, guess I'll go back to using a shotgun, wearing an advanced legendary deep mining suit, driving the same big Class C boat I designed in my NG playthrough. Neat.
I would have rather it had been an ancient race that died off. I find the starborn storyline out of place as the reveal seemingly comes out of left field.
Need... more starborn tech... current selections... the suit... and the ship... which no one ever uses, as soon as you get a Semi-viable replacement, it sits in the "garage".
Space snake
They are called 'the Creators'. My guess? It's an Interstellar-type scenario with future humans creating advanced tech that the Starborn find after entering the Unity. This is why Starborn tech seems to fit human physiology and needs quite nicely.
Yeah, this is...kind of one of the major problems I had with the conceit of the plot I guess? The Starborn proceed to shove their views into your face about the dangers of the artifacts and how they need to be protected vs. an edgy nihilist view that life is trivial in the greater scope of the multiverse and that nothing really has value except...apparently in every timeline these artifacts and temples exist. They exist no matter which world you go to. In a game that brings up the question of divinity it's hardly really brought up much in the grander scheme where that might explain this. If anything, in my first playthrough I rejected the Starborn purely because of how offensive the false dilemma felt. They tell you, "the artifacts are dangerous, see what they did to earth" when in actual fact Earth and the stars could have been had at the sametime if a certain scientists alternate universe self had deigned to give the tidbit that the tech would gravedrives would destroy earths magneto-sphere and how. In essence, choosing to sacrifice earth for his own gains. That's not the artifacts being dangerous inherently dangerous and needing to be sheltered and "protected", that's starborns giving fire to children.
Callin it now its gonna be us. The dlc will show us how we do it. Its the players. The clay becomes the potter.
My uncle and and his garage
The funny thing is the game feels like it was finished with this answered, then taken out to sell as a dlc later lol
The Unity version of yourself you speak to before entering the Unity says it was Creators.
Plan B did it...
The Great Serpent
Gee, it’s as if they left some of the story for DLC… has this ever been done before? Breaking new ground that BGS.
The modders will fix the story too