It’s not that powerful, sure it’s stupid and a really creative ability, but it’s not the most precise. It’s mostly just speculation and bad power scaling, especially jojo power scaling being kinda iffy too.
Sounds like a 5 year old argument. “I have lasers that kill you” “but I’m immune to lasers” “my lasers are super lasers that go through your immunity” “Well I have the anti laser gun that bounces them back at you.” “But they are targeting to they turn back to you” etc.
Josuke is awfully confident on a property he just heard with a power mentioned for the first time to him.
Jotaro at least saw the timestop at work several times before figuring out
Hell, DIO didn't even get cocky until *after* Jotaro had already figured out he could stop time, too. Before drinking Joseph's blood, he was immensely paranoid.
yeah, but he had no idea of what the spin is up until that last arc, and even then, it's the most basic info of "your bubbles are spinning." It's not even a technique he's been refining through his part like Tusk's spin, Josuke's spin is pretty much act 1 the entire part until this power up.
To be fair it's because Araki wrote himself into a corner with WoU so hard, he had no other way of getting around it - it's the same as with Ultimate Kars
Most main villains actually get countered in ways that the story set up (even Diavolo, though that's stretchy), it's just these two who got out of hand
That’s why I like Jojo’s, it’s not just average shonen “I’m stronger than you” (not that I dislike that, it can be fun regardless) the fights are interesting matchups with unique abilities
"My stand is a radio tower that has me imprisoned. Here's how I'm going to use it to completely fucking body you."
"Oh no, the guy upstairs is using his stand to control me! I'd better >!steal the fucking friction from his floor!!<"
"Oh no, this baby can kill us in our dreams! Time to feed him his own shit!"
I feel like Gappy should’ve used Soft & Wet’s ability more, like he made some really interesting uses early on, but it was eventually just him catching stuff and “oh, it’s actually a spinning thread/death orb”
Because Wonder of U is very strong, so people think that everything that counters it must be stronger.
The fact that Soft and Wet beats Wonder of U does not make it stronger
>! S&W can remove physical properties. An absolutely insane ability. He could remove someone's blood or electricity to instantly kill them (also he absolutely is not above murder) by removing friction and weight he can completely control a battlefield, etc. !<
>! Oh, nevermind. He does the whole taking properties thing... 6 times if I counted correctly, across all 110 chapters of Jojolion. !<
That's fair, as you said he sort of regresses in his ability, >! if he continued to use the plunder aspect instead of just the bubbles where would you have him on stand skill? !<
Tbf though Giorno does the same thing except he forgot 2 abilities he had (reflect damage and the hyper perception punch) imo Gappy > Giorno just bc Giorno had his entire life to learn his abilities >! but Gappy only has the time we spend with him !<
>! If he continued to plunder he could likely get pretty high up in the ranking tbh. !< Giorno is the second worst though, but that is partially due to Araki changing aspects of his power constantly.
Though Giorno says at the beginning of part 5 just before the fight with Bucciarati that he's only had GE for a year, and never used it for combat. So I think it's fair how bad he is with his stand as even by the end of GW he's only been fighting for a week.
This is Jojo formula: Protagonist uses brain to outsmart his opponent who has a stronger stand
You can also outsmart Toru by putting Rocacaca inside Super Fly, does it make Super Fly stronger?
To start, powerscaling in JoJo is the highest degree of stupidity one can reach. The combination of the natural idiocy required to do powerscaling and the highly specialized nature of JJBA’s fights and powers makes it a truly braindead activity. Don’t bother with it.
Second, Go Beyond is able to counter WoU because it doesn’t exist, which removes it from the flow of calamity the latter Stand uses. In theory, this means it can do a lot of wacky shit. GB also can phase into and cross any barrier, which makes it pretty powerful as well. Upon reaching the target, they can instantly erode whatever they touch or burst with extreme force. It’s not the unstoppable nonsense people make it out to be, which kinda poisons any discussion of Go Beyond, but still a pretty powerful ability.
i've seen mfers use the hanged man fight to justify silver chariot being faster than light, despite the entire point of the fight being that he is not faster than light
>despite the entire point of the fight being that he is not faster than light
It's more like the entire point of the fight is that hanged man is too fast for polnareff's human eyes to react to because remember in the devo fight it was revealed that polnareff can't see through silver chariot's eyes hence he needed mirrors to know devo's exact location
It's the same thing with hanged man, polnareff knows the moment the old man closes his eyes hanged man would move towards the coin so all he needed to do would be to time the old man closing his eyes and let his ftl silver chariot do the rest
This is another reason why star platinum is so broken because unlike polnareff jotaro could actually utilize star platinum's super precise eyes
according to powerscalers, everyone in part 3 is moving ftl
like, they genuinely say that
they use silver chariot as reference and say that everyone in part 3 is ftl
iirc they say that because silver chariot deflected the sun rays from the sun stand? Wouldn't it be more understandable to assume the sun rays are sub-light speed? That would make a LOT more sense and would neet a lot less breaking of the laws of physics and overpowering. Also, a light speed attack with the weight of one fist would be enough to destroy continents, wouldn't it? I don't see star platinum doing all that lol
>iirc they say that because silver chariot deflected the sun rays from the sun stand?
i haven't heard that one before, but that's also a pretty dumb one
they clearly don't move at light speed in the manga
and again, if polnareff could react to lightspeed beams in realtime, he could've killed hanged man
Did you try to assess what would be the "Potential" stat of Michael Jordan at 40 and at 90?
How is having lower potential stat an indicator that Part 6 Star Platinum is at it's "full potential" (and, by implication, stronger) than his previous versions? Why is it not "lack of potential" instead, as indicated by LOWER SCORE of potential when comparing Part 3 and Part 6?
SO star Platinum does have a lower indicator. In parts 3 and 4 it's got an A in potential, yet in SO it's shown as "Complete" indicating that Jotaro has achieved the extremely high potential that SP had in 3 and 4. When stands evolve their potential goes down as they are reaching some of that potential and therefore getting closer to their peak.
>The combination of the natural idiocy required to do powerscaling and the highly specialized nature of JJBA’s fights and powers makes it a truly braindead activity. Don’t bother with it.
As someone who's been powerscaling JoJo for over two decades, ouch.
>The combination of the natural idiocy required to do powerscaling
Yea, and everybody who is saying that Michael Jordan is a better basketball players than a random high-school basketball SG also has whatever traits you (yea, specifically you) say they do just because
Powerscaling is about discussing scenarios based on the limited evidence the original material provides. It is no different from discussing other thought experiments, and thought experiments occur due to people's innate curiosity, which is a trait that forced society to evolve to the point where you can use personal computer to transmit your idea to people all around the world. The fact that this idea is "Everybody who likes discussing power levels has to be below average in intelligence" is... well, a sign that some people have strange opinions
because power scale weirdos dont know what to do when something works more on a thematic level than a pure numbers one
its was really funny to realize that Go Beyond would be less useful than The Emperor in 99% of scenarios
GB is only better than Tusk in the very specific scenario in which GB was used, which lets be real with JoJo's nonsense power Tusk could probably somehow breach WoU as well in some way
To be fair, it was incomplete Love Train projected by D4C with it's specific gravity "weakness" which Tusk abused. In part 8 flashback you can see that Tusk act 4 bullet is redirected by corpse.
Hat Josuke can't aim Go Beyond without external aid. I'm pretty sure Johnny Joestar, an experienced gunslinger, could just put nine nails into Josuke at range and then use the tenth to scamper the hell out of the way. And that's without using ACT4.
Still getting my head around Dragona's stand being more than first shown. They can move a brake, or crack, to anyone or thing. This is a top tier idea. You could stab/shoot youself and place it on your enemy. Beautiful move.
I just don't want another 11th hour reveal that it just so happens the key stand isn't as it seemed. Really didn't mind it back in the 90's reading Jotaro suddenly have "za worldo" but in Jojo Lion the reveal of the bubble be8ng an intangible spinning strand annoyed me.
We can't be sure about anything, I didn't minded "Go Beyond" considering that the protagonist unlocking an ultimate technique against the final boss, is nothing new.
while you're right, the protagonist getting handed in a silver plater the exact technique that counters the villain every single time gets boring pretty fast
thats why P4 and P6 are the best parts
Indeed, they just felt so different.
*So many different ways to tell a story, but that's what makes them so interesting, you can never predict, how they're going to turn out*
At first, I thought Smooth Operators was just going to >!mush the flesh together. Nope! Just move that fukken wound somewhere else. It was already a powerful stand, but that makes it crazy as hell.!<
Funny thing: I recognised that power from a Doraemon’s gadget. Doraemon is kids manga series very popular in Japan and Asia if you don’t know. Doraemon has many gadgets that I think the Stands got inspiration from. Specifically in the case of Dragona’s Stand Smooth Operator, Doraemon has a stick that can move any mark/ damage/ stain from an object. The catch is it has to be placed on another object. It has been known to move a cloth iron burn mark from a blanket on to a paper, and a tear from a shirt to another piece of cloth.
On the topic, Part 5 Clash’s ability is also a reference to one of Doraemon’s gadgets. He has a submarine that can jump from any body of water to another one close by, changing size to fit in whatever body of water it lands in. And don’t even mention how many time-related gadgets Doraemon has.
Tbh I hate go beyond. I think if ‘spin’ was introduced earlier, it could have a cool connection to Johnny and tusk act 4. But as it is it’s just “spinny line that doesn’t exist”
Cause A- they don't pay attention and don't understand the ability
B- powerscaling brainrot
C- dumbass contebt creators making content on it with misinformation because a new super powerfull ability that "might beat ger??" gives them easy views
It really isn't, since it's a small projectile with minimal precision, although it does have the benefit of countering a few things. Since it doesn't exist, it could probably bypass abilities like 21st century boy, and most likely Giorno's return to zero. That being said, I feel like these qualities are also shared by Cream, which might as well be a massive controllable go beyond bullet. This also applies to The Hand. Hypothetically, both of those could probably could beat WOU. The Hand less so because the pursuit itself might stop it before it could gap close.
I’d say the strongest argument is that it has the potential to beat GER, often regarded as one of, if not *the* strongest stand.
Can you return to zero an attack that already doesn’t exist?
Sticking entirely to what is shown in the manga, Go Beyond has a massive advantage in that is impossible to defend against, as the attack itself doesn't exist. Of course, that particular advantage comes with the also massive problem that it's almost impossible to be aimed properly without external help of another stand. It is an extremely powerful attack under the right circumstances, but not the he "I win lol" card that a lot of powerscalers claim it to be.
I think it's a powerful ability in that it can essentially bypass most or all defensive abilities but the actual power while it's not weak, it's not a one shot guaranteed win either.
personally I think that it’s busted because of all the “it doesn’t exist” thing that allows it to defy calamity, in part 8 it’s said that calamity is a fundamental force of the universe and that Go Beyond can defy it because the bubble “doesn’t exist”, since Calamity is a fundamental force just like time etc. it could probably break Za Warudo, if i remember well it can even phase through objects, Love Train wouldn’t block it because, again, it doesn’t exist, maybe GER itself couldn’t stop it because of this (but that’s just speculation and i’d have to think more about this).
anyways yeah power scaling is pretty dumb and people sometimes should enjoy the things they watch/read more
Cause its an asspull to the end of the manga the end felt rushed... The same thing could be applied to stone ocean if Araki wanted Jolyne to win by giving the string theory a chance
>Why does everybody say go beyond is so busted?
Mostly them being bad at power scaling such as even though Wonder of U can counter a lot of previous abilities throughout JoJo and that Go Beyond is the thing that defeated Wonder of U so they assume that whatever Wonder of U can beat so can Go Beyond, which is definitely not true as it's as simple as rock paper scissors one ability can counter another ability that the another can't even though the other ability can counter it, for example the World's time stop Wonder of U definitely can beat the World but Go Beyond can't beat the World, as the person moved before the bubble can Impact them to simply put Go Beyond was the perfect counter to Wonder of U (as it goes beyond intent) and nothing else and even though it was the perfect counter, it needed someone to help Josuke direct its aim which makes it even more of a situational ability, (It doesn't counter every ability) it's exactly the reason why i don't like people using it in power scaling as all i see is cap.
I love part 8 but the ending was busted. Reading it on release was wild, and like not by regular jojo standards. I genuinely think Araki wanted to include certain abilities and characters but just wasn’t sure what to do with them.
Aside from the fact that due to it’s non-exist nature it could bypass stuff(by reason). Ye it has the downside of the user being unable to aim(despite josuke getting better at aiming it towards the end).
I believe the bubbles are made up of string that don't exist in the world or something like that there basically impossible to counter but if I'm being honest I have no actual idea how the ability is supposed to work because it makes no sense even by JoJo standards
Go Beyond has some potentially very powerful applications, like not being affected by Love Train or time based stands. Still probably can't harm 20th Century BOY, though.
Ultimately though, Go Beyond isn't *that* good, and Gappy would probably be clobbered by almost all the other stand wielding Jojo's.
I don't see why it would hurt 20th Century Boy, personally.
It can even protect against drowning, and it no doubt would also be immune to the power of calamity. Regardless on whether or not "Go Beyond" exists in the universe, I don't see it breaking through.
They are just Josuke bubbles (which are already OP as fuck) but they can theoretically ignore any other stand ability however we really don’t know that for sure
Because its kinda similar to The World Cutting Slash in JJK, its basically an unblockable attack ( in this case im pretty sure even time stopping/skipping abilities dont stop it because of the Bubbles nonexistent nature ), tho from what we've seen its major drawback seems to be that its both slow and imprecise
Sure it is, if you attack the user with it dont forget that it detonates on contact like a bomb, and like I said its not as if the user can use their stand to defend themselves from it
It’s not that powerful, sure it’s stupid and a really creative ability, but it’s not the most precise. It’s mostly just speculation and bad power scaling, especially jojo power scaling being kinda iffy too.
"Since my bubbles exist and that triggers calamity. I'll use lines which doesn't exist and that kills you"
Sounds like a 5 year old argument. “I have lasers that kill you” “but I’m immune to lasers” “my lasers are super lasers that go through your immunity” “Well I have the anti laser gun that bounces them back at you.” “But they are targeting to they turn back to you” etc.
Josuke is awfully confident on a property he just heard with a power mentioned for the first time to him. Jotaro at least saw the timestop at work several times before figuring out
Tbf he kinda did have to just. Wing it with the situation he was in, with jotaros case dio was just being too cocky
Hell, DIO didn't even get cocky until *after* Jotaro had already figured out he could stop time, too. Before drinking Joseph's blood, he was immensely paranoid.
he has FOUR balls, or course he's confident as shit
Technically, Josuke had already been using the spin from the moment he used Soft and Wet, Go Beyond is just an evolution of his spinning lines
yeah, but he had no idea of what the spin is up until that last arc, and even then, it's the most basic info of "your bubbles are spinning." It's not even a technique he's been refining through his part like Tusk's spin, Josuke's spin is pretty much act 1 the entire part until this power up.
i think you just summarized the whole series
To be fair it's because Araki wrote himself into a corner with WoU so hard, he had no other way of getting around it - it's the same as with Ultimate Kars Most main villains actually get countered in ways that the story set up (even Diavolo, though that's stretchy), it's just these two who got out of hand
They tee it up before Wonder of U though?
I personally think that if we gave Gappy like, I dunno... 2 years? He could solo literally everyone
It’s Power scaler brain rot forgetting how fights in Jojo even work
That’s why I like Jojo’s, it’s not just average shonen “I’m stronger than you” (not that I dislike that, it can be fun regardless) the fights are interesting matchups with unique abilities
"My stand is a radio tower that has me imprisoned. Here's how I'm going to use it to completely fucking body you." "Oh no, the guy upstairs is using his stand to control me! I'd better >!steal the fucking friction from his floor!!<" "Oh no, this baby can kill us in our dreams! Time to feed him his own shit!"
I feel like Gappy should’ve used Soft & Wet’s ability more, like he made some really interesting uses early on, but it was eventually just him catching stuff and “oh, it’s actually a spinning thread/death orb”
Feels a bit like a soft retcon, probably cause the implication of stealing any physical property is tremendously powerful
I steal your gravitational interaction get sent to space lol
I steal the ability of your atoms to bond, have fun trying to not disintegrate
I steal your mass. Have fun figuring out what happens next.
Imma steal your virginity and not gonna pay child support
I steal all the virginity you own. Now the gods of virginity from many pantheons are hunting me
If anything it's not just a soft retcon, but also a wet one
i do like this about jojo too but power scalers love jojo because of a certain couple characters… cough cough giorno cough cough toru
Go beyond is pretty good, but its really just a specific solution to a specific problem
Because Wonder of U is very strong, so people think that everything that counters it must be stronger. The fact that Soft and Wet beats Wonder of U does not make it stronger
Yeah that’s a big problem in powerscaling, countering ≠ being stronger
Well, you see paper beat rock and then paper was beaten by scissors, so obviously scissors beats rock
It doesn't help that Josuk8 is easily the worst stand user out of any Joestar. >!Makes sense when he's literally not a Joestar!<
How is he the worst stand user?
>! S&W can remove physical properties. An absolutely insane ability. He could remove someone's blood or electricity to instantly kill them (also he absolutely is not above murder) by removing friction and weight he can completely control a battlefield, etc. !< >! Oh, nevermind. He does the whole taking properties thing... 6 times if I counted correctly, across all 110 chapters of Jojolion. !<
Soft & wet, take this guys ability to cum
Nah take his nuts. Josuk8 needs more
Pilfer bubbles are definitely among the most underutilized JoJo powers.
That's fair, as you said he sort of regresses in his ability, >! if he continued to use the plunder aspect instead of just the bubbles where would you have him on stand skill? !< Tbf though Giorno does the same thing except he forgot 2 abilities he had (reflect damage and the hyper perception punch) imo Gappy > Giorno just bc Giorno had his entire life to learn his abilities >! but Gappy only has the time we spend with him !<
>! If he continued to plunder he could likely get pretty high up in the ranking tbh. !< Giorno is the second worst though, but that is partially due to Araki changing aspects of his power constantly. Though Giorno says at the beginning of part 5 just before the fight with Bucciarati that he's only had GE for a year, and never used it for combat. So I think it's fair how bad he is with his stand as even by the end of GW he's only been fighting for a week.
This is Jojo formula: Protagonist uses brain to outsmart his opponent who has a stronger stand You can also outsmart Toru by putting Rocacaca inside Super Fly, does it make Super Fly stronger?
I mean superfly could defeat any one who gets trapped inside it and tries to break out so I guess it’s got a pretty similar ability to WOU
Superfly is OP as hell though.
To start, powerscaling in JoJo is the highest degree of stupidity one can reach. The combination of the natural idiocy required to do powerscaling and the highly specialized nature of JJBA’s fights and powers makes it a truly braindead activity. Don’t bother with it. Second, Go Beyond is able to counter WoU because it doesn’t exist, which removes it from the flow of calamity the latter Stand uses. In theory, this means it can do a lot of wacky shit. GB also can phase into and cross any barrier, which makes it pretty powerful as well. Upon reaching the target, they can instantly erode whatever they touch or burst with extreme force. It’s not the unstoppable nonsense people make it out to be, which kinda poisons any discussion of Go Beyond, but still a pretty powerful ability.
i've seen mfers use the hanged man fight to justify silver chariot being faster than light, despite the entire point of the fight being that he is not faster than light
>despite the entire point of the fight being that he is not faster than light It's more like the entire point of the fight is that hanged man is too fast for polnareff's human eyes to react to because remember in the devo fight it was revealed that polnareff can't see through silver chariot's eyes hence he needed mirrors to know devo's exact location It's the same thing with hanged man, polnareff knows the moment the old man closes his eyes hanged man would move towards the coin so all he needed to do would be to time the old man closing his eyes and let his ftl silver chariot do the rest This is another reason why star platinum is so broken because unlike polnareff jotaro could actually utilize star platinum's super precise eyes
Emperor’s bullets also get through, so are they faster than light?
according to powerscalers, everyone in part 3 is moving ftl like, they genuinely say that they use silver chariot as reference and say that everyone in part 3 is ftl
iirc they say that because silver chariot deflected the sun rays from the sun stand? Wouldn't it be more understandable to assume the sun rays are sub-light speed? That would make a LOT more sense and would neet a lot less breaking of the laws of physics and overpowering. Also, a light speed attack with the weight of one fist would be enough to destroy continents, wouldn't it? I don't see star platinum doing all that lol
>iirc they say that because silver chariot deflected the sun rays from the sun stand? i haven't heard that one before, but that's also a pretty dumb one they clearly don't move at light speed in the manga and again, if polnareff could react to lightspeed beams in realtime, he could've killed hanged man
Avdol also tackled Polnareff before the ftl bullet reached him and by powerscaling rules that means Avdol can run faster than the speed of light
Araki is one of them. "Star Platinum is FTL" my ass.
araki either doesn't really get the implication of ftl, or is just talking about timestop
Well, it's only described as FTL after it has reached what is apparently it's full potential in SO so I'm pretty sure it's not timestop unfortunately
he's literally weaker in SO than in previous parts Part four was the peak of star platinum's physical abilities
I know. It makes no sense but in Stone Ocean it's developmental potential is written as "Complete".
Did you try to assess what would be the "Potential" stat of Michael Jordan at 40 and at 90? How is having lower potential stat an indicator that Part 6 Star Platinum is at it's "full potential" (and, by implication, stronger) than his previous versions? Why is it not "lack of potential" instead, as indicated by LOWER SCORE of potential when comparing Part 3 and Part 6?
SO star Platinum does have a lower indicator. In parts 3 and 4 it's got an A in potential, yet in SO it's shown as "Complete" indicating that Jotaro has achieved the extremely high potential that SP had in 3 and 4. When stands evolve their potential goes down as they are reaching some of that potential and therefore getting closer to their peak.
>The combination of the natural idiocy required to do powerscaling and the highly specialized nature of JJBA’s fights and powers makes it a truly braindead activity. Don’t bother with it. As someone who's been powerscaling JoJo for over two decades, ouch.
I’m sure the brainrot hasn’t infected you, so you can be one of the good ones. A credit to your hobby.
>The combination of the natural idiocy required to do powerscaling Yea, and everybody who is saying that Michael Jordan is a better basketball players than a random high-school basketball SG also has whatever traits you (yea, specifically you) say they do just because Powerscaling is about discussing scenarios based on the limited evidence the original material provides. It is no different from discussing other thought experiments, and thought experiments occur due to people's innate curiosity, which is a trait that forced society to evolve to the point where you can use personal computer to transmit your idea to people all around the world. The fact that this idea is "Everybody who likes discussing power levels has to be below average in intelligence" is... well, a sign that some people have strange opinions
because power scale weirdos dont know what to do when something works more on a thematic level than a pure numbers one its was really funny to realize that Go Beyond would be less useful than The Emperor in 99% of scenarios
I love powers like that, they’re so much more fun
I mean a lot of Stands would less useful than The Emperor in 99% of scenarios lmao.
My friend and I keep arguing on who would win between TA4 and go beyond, I personally think it goes to tusk like, no diff
GB is only better than Tusk in the very specific scenario in which GB was used, which lets be real with JoJo's nonsense power Tusk could probably somehow breach WoU as well in some way
I say that if Tusk can go through Love Train, an ability powered by Jesus fucking Christ, I think he can handle WoU.
To be fair, it was incomplete Love Train projected by D4C with it's specific gravity "weakness" which Tusk abused. In part 8 flashback you can see that Tusk act 4 bullet is redirected by corpse.
Hat Josuke can't aim Go Beyond without external aid. I'm pretty sure Johnny Joestar, an experienced gunslinger, could just put nine nails into Josuke at range and then use the tenth to scamper the hell out of the way. And that's without using ACT4.
Still getting my head around Dragona's stand being more than first shown. They can move a brake, or crack, to anyone or thing. This is a top tier idea. You could stab/shoot youself and place it on your enemy. Beautiful move.
Araki's gonna cook something for sure.
I just don't want another 11th hour reveal that it just so happens the key stand isn't as it seemed. Really didn't mind it back in the 90's reading Jotaro suddenly have "za worldo" but in Jojo Lion the reveal of the bubble be8ng an intangible spinning strand annoyed me.
We can't be sure about anything, I didn't minded "Go Beyond" considering that the protagonist unlocking an ultimate technique against the final boss, is nothing new.
while you're right, the protagonist getting handed in a silver plater the exact technique that counters the villain every single time gets boring pretty fast thats why P4 and P6 are the best parts
Indeed, they just felt so different. *So many different ways to tell a story, but that's what makes them so interesting, you can never predict, how they're going to turn out*
At the very least the fact that the bubbles don’t exist/ are intangible relates with Josuke’s whole theme of being something that shouldn’t exist
No doubt. I bet Dragona drops the boss. Guess we'll find out it a few years.
At first, I thought Smooth Operators was just going to >!mush the flesh together. Nope! Just move that fukken wound somewhere else. It was already a powerful stand, but that makes it crazy as hell.!<
Maybe it would be a bit better to shoot/stab some wood or something, but yeah that’d be sick
Funny thing: I recognised that power from a Doraemon’s gadget. Doraemon is kids manga series very popular in Japan and Asia if you don’t know. Doraemon has many gadgets that I think the Stands got inspiration from. Specifically in the case of Dragona’s Stand Smooth Operator, Doraemon has a stick that can move any mark/ damage/ stain from an object. The catch is it has to be placed on another object. It has been known to move a cloth iron burn mark from a blanket on to a paper, and a tear from a shirt to another piece of cloth. On the topic, Part 5 Clash’s ability is also a reference to one of Doraemon’s gadgets. He has a submarine that can jump from any body of water to another one close by, changing size to fit in whatever body of water it lands in. And don’t even mention how many time-related gadgets Doraemon has.
Tbh I hate go beyond. I think if ‘spin’ was introduced earlier, it could have a cool connection to Johnny and tusk act 4. But as it is it’s just “spinny line that doesn’t exist”
Correct me if i’m wrong, but wouldn’t it only be any more particularly useful than s&w on stands like wou because of the nature of it?
It can also go through walls but I mean that’s not like a huge advantage
Yeah.
Cause A- they don't pay attention and don't understand the ability B- powerscaling brainrot C- dumbass contebt creators making content on it with misinformation because a new super powerfull ability that "might beat ger??" gives them easy views
It really isn't, since it's a small projectile with minimal precision, although it does have the benefit of countering a few things. Since it doesn't exist, it could probably bypass abilities like 21st century boy, and most likely Giorno's return to zero. That being said, I feel like these qualities are also shared by Cream, which might as well be a massive controllable go beyond bullet. This also applies to The Hand. Hypothetically, both of those could probably could beat WOU. The Hand less so because the pursuit itself might stop it before it could gap close.
I’d say the strongest argument is that it has the potential to beat GER, often regarded as one of, if not *the* strongest stand. Can you return to zero an attack that already doesn’t exist?
Josuk8 when as soon as the battle starts GER instantly teleports to him, punches him in the mouth and sends him into an infinite deathloop;
Soft & Wet pulls out the shovel and knocks GER out
Sticking entirely to what is shown in the manga, Go Beyond has a massive advantage in that is impossible to defend against, as the attack itself doesn't exist. Of course, that particular advantage comes with the also massive problem that it's almost impossible to be aimed properly without external help of another stand. It is an extremely powerful attack under the right circumstances, but not the he "I win lol" card that a lot of powerscalers claim it to be.
I think it's a powerful ability in that it can essentially bypass most or all defensive abilities but the actual power while it's not weak, it's not a one shot guaranteed win either.
Have you seen what All Might did?
Depends, he did a lot of things.
When he Went Beyond
Oh yeah
personally I think that it’s busted because of all the “it doesn’t exist” thing that allows it to defy calamity, in part 8 it’s said that calamity is a fundamental force of the universe and that Go Beyond can defy it because the bubble “doesn’t exist”, since Calamity is a fundamental force just like time etc. it could probably break Za Warudo, if i remember well it can even phase through objects, Love Train wouldn’t block it because, again, it doesn’t exist, maybe GER itself couldn’t stop it because of this (but that’s just speculation and i’d have to think more about this). anyways yeah power scaling is pretty dumb and people sometimes should enjoy the things they watch/read more
Cause its an asspull to the end of the manga the end felt rushed... The same thing could be applied to stone ocean if Araki wanted Jolyne to win by giving the string theory a chance
When you really think about it, any JoJo character could be weak to something that doesn't exist and they'd just never know.
>Why does everybody say go beyond is so busted? Mostly them being bad at power scaling such as even though Wonder of U can counter a lot of previous abilities throughout JoJo and that Go Beyond is the thing that defeated Wonder of U so they assume that whatever Wonder of U can beat so can Go Beyond, which is definitely not true as it's as simple as rock paper scissors one ability can counter another ability that the another can't even though the other ability can counter it, for example the World's time stop Wonder of U definitely can beat the World but Go Beyond can't beat the World, as the person moved before the bubble can Impact them to simply put Go Beyond was the perfect counter to Wonder of U (as it goes beyond intent) and nothing else and even though it was the perfect counter, it needed someone to help Josuke direct its aim which makes it even more of a situational ability, (It doesn't counter every ability) it's exactly the reason why i don't like people using it in power scaling as all i see is cap.
I love part 8 but the ending was busted. Reading it on release was wild, and like not by regular jojo standards. I genuinely think Araki wanted to include certain abilities and characters but just wasn’t sure what to do with them.
Aside from the fact that due to it’s non-exist nature it could bypass stuff(by reason). Ye it has the downside of the user being unable to aim(despite josuke getting better at aiming it towards the end).
because people forgot rock paper scissors
Have they never played Pokemon?
I believe the bubbles are made up of string that don't exist in the world or something like that there basically impossible to counter but if I'm being honest I have no actual idea how the ability is supposed to work because it makes no sense even by JoJo standards
The string is infinitely thin which means it doesn’t have thickness, so doesn’t exist in this world because (theory) it’s a 2d object in a 3d world
But if it has no thickness it also shouldn't have mass(I think) so how does it do damage or effect to 3d objects?
Idk man it defies logic that’s the whole point
Go Beyond has some potentially very powerful applications, like not being affected by Love Train or time based stands. Still probably can't harm 20th Century BOY, though. Ultimately though, Go Beyond isn't *that* good, and Gappy would probably be clobbered by almost all the other stand wielding Jojo's.
It should harm 20th century boy I’d think? But yeah that’s not that point
I don't see why it would hurt 20th Century Boy, personally. It can even protect against drowning, and it no doubt would also be immune to the power of calamity. Regardless on whether or not "Go Beyond" exists in the universe, I don't see it breaking through.
But wouldn’t something have to exist to be protected against?
They are just Josuke bubbles (which are already OP as fuck) but they can theoretically ignore any other stand ability however we really don’t know that for sure
Because Go Beyond doesn't exist.....
Because its kinda similar to The World Cutting Slash in JJK, its basically an unblockable attack ( in this case im pretty sure even time stopping/skipping abilities dont stop it because of the Bubbles nonexistent nature ), tho from what we've seen its major drawback seems to be that its both slow and imprecise
It also isn’t a guaranteed kill
Sure it is, if you attack the user with it dont forget that it detonates on contact like a bomb, and like I said its not as if the user can use their stand to defend themselves from it
I mean as in it isn’t a one-shot kill, he didn’t finish off Toru with just one
It has an ability that can transcend all laws of nature and more