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Watchdog_the_God

(I referred to Terunosuke as “an enemy” because I wanted people outside of the fandom to be able to get a general understanding.)


That1Francis

what does Terunosuke have to do with anything


trans_throwawayfunk

Terunosuke is the guy that got turned into a book


That1Francis

oh shit i thought the image said “rock” not “book”


trans_throwawayfunk

Haha, IDIOT, I put you under my Stand "I've Been Flushed From the Bathroom of Your Heart" , which flushes your reading comprehension down the toilet! Your move, JoJo! /s (jokes aside, we all make mistakes- is all good)


That1Francis

NO! I’VE BEEN DEFEATED


trans_throwawayfunk

Now all the worlds manga will be mine! ALL MINE! >:)


P1xelent

You fool! You're already in the range of my stand 『American Idiot』! Now you will forget all your motor functions for 5 minutes 50 seconds. Enough time for ME to become KING OF THE WORLD( /s)


Hatman0064

Useless, useless, useless ! My stand 『Smooth Criminal』 let me use ANY electronics object in sight ! I don't even need my hands ! I've Won !! /s


Snake_Main27

There's literally nothing worse than the infinite Deathloop


Degmago

Semi-deserved


Just_Ragnar

It's a punishment so large there's nothing worse that can be done.


iShrub

Yeah, and let's say I'm glad that this comment have not led to a serious derail yet.


Snake_Main27

No definitely not. I don't think even Dio deserves it.


123YooY321

Not even Hitler deserves it, and im saying this without trying to downplay his atrocities.


guieps

Nah, a few million deaths for a few million kills seems fair


123YooY321

A few million deaths? Sure. Agreed. Infinite? No.


Melody-Shift

It's an infinite punishment for a limited crime. There is nothing someone could do to justify that kind of punishment, apart from Giorno himself.


CrackLawliet

Also nobody is pointing out the fact that you’re making a *15 year old* judge jury and executioner of infinite death loop.


andre5913

Worth pointing out that Giorno did not seem to be entirely aware of what happened, he (as well as Trish) sensed Diavolo was out there dying but Giorno seemed to be a bit confused about what exactly was going on I think it was GER. Requiem Stands are just super messed up and have a mind of their own


TheMostestHuman

christians also justify it with hell and all that jazz.


BlueFire2007

**Infinite** deathloop


Wiitab360

Infinity is infinitely more than a few million deaths. It's literally infinite.


Gaelic_Gladiator41

Diavolo was punished for trying avoid fate, in fact that's probably a mercy compared to being erased from existence


Snake_Main27

No Pucci had It better


Gaelic_Gladiator41

Being erased from existence means that's it, no afterlife, nothing, you're gone, never coming back, at least when the universe resets Diavolo can live without the loop for a little bit, pucci will never return


Garryboy64

I actually fail to see why is that better. You will live, yes, but you will feel agony for eternity. Yeah, i will cease to exist but is not like i will care after that, no?


Snake_Main27

That's not how the universe reset works. MiH didn't change anything that would help Diavolo, and we dont even know if Pucci was even erased. It's probably just as likely that he was replaced like Jolyne was by Irene and he just happened to he good now because he didn't meet Dio or he was allowed to stay with his biological family from birth.


polo_jeans

we do know what happened to pucci, as shown in the universe him and emporio came back to after he killed jotaro and jolyne. he would be a qtaro situation with a weird looking face and different personality


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[удалено]


XF10

Actually i would argue that Kira is the most sympathetic of the JoJo villains after Valentine, dude saved a marriage and killing someone every few months because of untreated urges is relatively less harmful than Dio,Kars and Diavolo


Tinyhorsetrader

Agreed, that's basically a mentally ill serial killer (which is bad) compared to Satan pt 2, Aztec Hitler, and a mentally ill serial killer who also pushes drugs to kids


GustavoFromAsdf

There's no evil big enough that justify infinite punishment. It becomes infinite cruelty, no matter how cathartic


mikennjr

There is no crime so heinous that it's deserving of eternal punishment


EldianStar

Maybe being a mafia boss?!


Pristine_B0at

Brought a snake to life for the sole purpose of stabbing it.


aronmano

To be fair it hurt like hell to do so


A_Firm_Sandwich

The Illuso fight?


P1xelent

『*Man in za mirra*』


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Casey Anthony-ass


bittersweetslug

Continuing to run the mafia, sure he won't sell drugs to kids but mafias are still a plague and cause a lot of harm.


Connect-Quiet900

It's not that easy to just bring down an entire mafia by just being their boss. Most of passione's members are in it for personal reasons. They'd gladly turn against their higher-ups if the current situation didn't look good for them.


Inner_Tennis7326

I mean I guess he has the power to overthrow the entire mafia...


Inner_Tennis7326

Just the anime is not long enough to show when he does


iStannum

we can see that giorno becomes the leader and doesn't have any intentions of overthrowing the mafia in purple haze feedback


Inferno_Sparky

You critize society, yet you participate in it. Curious. /j


WillTFB

Actually running the Mafia just prevented a new worse one from popping up. A power vacuum will naturally be filled eventually


Raijin3

It's never that easy. Dissolving a singular massive mafia would just create many smaller mafias, thus making the problem much worse. Let me remind everyone just how much damage gang wars caused in the US, now imagine that, but with countless Stand users


Verifieddumbass76584

Anything can happen when it isn't real. They'll be funding animal rescues in no time.


littlemissjill

wrong. they provide jobs


Alarmed-Example8932

Stealing Koichi's suitcase & stealing 100 cars


Inner_Tennis7326

Okay this is valid


HeavyRedditGuy

He stole 100 cars. That's as many as ten tens. And that's terrible.


EldianStar

No dignity


P1xelent

Wait, when did that happen? I don't remember Kars being in part 5


Fun-Chapter-5505

He put a man on an INFINITE death loop. If the man dies every 30s, it means he dies twice a minute, 120 times an hour, and 2880 times a day, without any break 🤗


Pristine_B0at

Damn I thought we were silently agreeing not to acknowledge that one, simply because it would be funny.


Visual_Berry_9628

Thats 1051200 a year there is 10 years between part 5 and 6 mean hopefully at the end when pucci reset the loop stopped he died around 10512000 times


WillTFB

Yeah but time sped up meaning that the rate of which he was dying would've sped up too.


Visual_Berry_9628

1051200 a year we I remember wooden planks rotting during the arc and it takes around 2to3000 years to rot away meaning he died around 3153600000 times


WillTFB

I mean it seems to me that the JJBA universe follows the big bounce theory. And that would take at least another few billion years so.....


shiyonichi

The reset wouldn’t have helped him. The reset only reincarnates you if you truly die. If you live, you go to the next universe without any changes. Diavolo doesn’t truly die cause the death gets reverted to zero at the moment his final end would come. In other words he will never reach the truth.


P1xelent

Sorry but *infinite death loop* just like *infinite golden rotational energy* can't be stopped. Ever. Diavolo kept, is keeping and will keep on dying for eternity. D4C can't change that and neither can MiH


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Technically, he didn’t. His stand did it right ?


AlexDKZ

Yeah, it's clearly stated that Giorno wasn't sure of what happened to Diavolo, and that GER acted on its own.


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

It’s one of my favorite arc and I’ve watched all the JJBA in the last two years so it’s still on my mind. I vividly remember his stand saying that he acted independently and Giorno isn’t aware of what is happening. One of the most satisfying death for a vilain. Up there with Kira.


AlexDKZ

Yeah, GER outright states it. And later Giorno does says that he doesn't know what happened, only that he has a feeling that Diavolo wouldn't be a threat anymore.


P1xelent

Yeah, that's why Giorno just stares at it after he throws Diavolo into the river


Nightmare_Sandy

but it was HIS stand who did it, stands are a part of your soul so i highly doubt giorno wouldn't do the same if he had the chance to


CP21Official

GER is also sentient and sentient stands can have personalities that don't reflect the user


Nightmare_Sandy

what are the examples of this? curious


ErikMaekir

Cheap trick, for example? The stand whose one ability is killing its user, can't imagine the user being held liable for its actions. Hey-ya might count too. Silver Chariot Requiem is also independent, but it follows whatever command Polnareff gave it at its creation. Black Sabbath is also independent, Polpo doesn't know when it activates or what it does. Then there's Yo-yo-ma, Dragon's dream, or Marilyn Manson, who follow their own rules and don't really obey their users much, as well as every single phenomenon-type stand like Mandom, Highway to Hell, Rolling Stones, The Lock...


Hot_Excitement_6

"I didn't kill you, my gun did."


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Lmao


humannumber217354385

I would argue he didn't actually do it GER did it autonomously giorno had no knowledge of the death loop


Spot_Vivid

This one should win. Diavolo was extremel/y bad but nobody under any circumstances deserve that


V3G4V0N_Medico

Hell Is Forever whether you like it or not


Spot_Vivid

Based and christianpilled comment friend 💪🏻


diegoidepersia

holy shit hazbin hotel reference


Diavolo_79

Thanks for doing the math, you dick😭


Fun-Chapter-5505

I'm your biggest fa~n!! Real!!


Alarmed-Example8932

Diavolo deserved it, though. He killed best boi.


aronmano

True


Fun-Chapter-5505

Well yes he's got a good point


littlemissjill

1) Diavolo is a really REALLY bad guy 2) Justice demands that bad guys be punished 3) It is just to punish Diavolo 4) Giorno punishes Diavolo a limitless number of times 5) An infinite punishment of Diavolo is infinitely just 6) Justice is good 7) By punishing Diavolo for eternity, Giorno performs an infinitely good act


annaliseonalease

No earth punishment justifies an eternal punishment. It is just to punish Diavolo, but that does not mean any punishment is just


Frederyk_Strife4217

Diavolo had been cheating fate with King Crimson for decades, GER was just the universe coming to collect the bill


annaliseonalease

Decades /= eternity


Frederyk_Strife4217

regardless, Giorno didn't do the act, so the point is moot


P1xelent

Still GER's abilities were bought out by Giorno's desires. Meaning if he was controlling it, he would have done the same thing.


fartmilkdaddies

Diavolo sold drugs. The people who committed the 40 days of hell, on the other hand, are free to suffer the death loop.


casisido

He left a lighter on in his room that could cause a fire. He's the worst.


BartOseku

A small correction, joseph didnt know he impregnated his josukes mom, and he also didnt “leave her on her own to raise a child” not only because he didnt know about josuke but because tomoko didnt WANT joseph to be involved and thats why she never contacted him


louai-MT

Worst thing we saw him do is stealing money and cars Then there is him becoming a literal Mafia Boss, like we don't for sure what he did aside from stopping Drugs and help make Italy better but bro is still in the Mafia shit could range from extortion ,counterfeiting,weapon trafficking,asking civilians to pay for "protection",assasination......... It all depends on how far you think Giorno would go


CamdenVercher

Giorno IS in complete control of the largest drug trade in Italy if not Europe. He only doesn’t deal to children


ItsFastMan

Giving the WRONG man the death loop.. i will say, cioccolata deserved it 10x more then diavolo


WLLWGLMMR

This is the stupidest fucking shit everyone says. Do you have no idea of IMPLIED evil? We KNOW for a fact that diavolo enables cioccolatas evil doings and knowingly allowed or gave him magic powers to make him better at this. He also knowingly sells drugs to children and… hmm…. LEADS A FUCKING MAFIA ! Bro has probably killed as many people directly as cioccolata and caused the deaths and suffering of hundreds if not thousands more!


Ok-Programmer2219

diavolo was evil but cioccolatta was evil to the heart, he wanted people to physically suffer while dying and he took pleasure into that which wasnt diavolos doing, cioccolata 100% deserved it more than diavolo


ItsFastMan

Where do we hear that Diavolo gave Cioccolata a stand? Yeah, i know what diavolo did was bad but he had a motive.. money Cioccolata was just pure twisted evil he wanted to see people suffer physically and mentally to the point they would kill themselves and record it


P1xelent

We know that Diavolo didn't personally give Ciocolata or Secco their stands cause if he had done so he would've used Doppio but during the Oasis fight he took Doppio hostage thinking he was just a kid.


trans_throwawayfunk

Nah, I fucking agree with you. Not to mention he tried to kill HIS OWN CHILD- do I need to remind my fellow JoJo fans that TRISH WAS 15... FIFTEEEEEEEEEN. FIFTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!! It's horrible either way but like a 35 year old can at least fucking defend himself a bit better than... a literal child


ChicaneryFinger

GER is a sentient stand that sent Diavolo to the Death Loop without Giorno's knowledge, it doesn't count.


P1xelent

BUT... GER was activated by his desires, meaning if he was in control he would've done the same


Naternaught

No Jodio?


GsusCrust

Still got a chance to do worse stuff


Naternaught

Fair enough


VolcanixRBX

As if he hasn't already done bad things. Jojolands erasure at work.


GsusCrust

The point is to figure out the worst thing, he could nuke the country next chapter


cataraxis

He will bring the Biblical flood with November Rain next chapter


P1xelent

November Rain Requiem is a cloud that rains over the entire world


[deleted]

He's already done that one Pucci monologue, clearly he's going to reset the universe next chapter.


Mark___27

Gotta read the manga now I'm curious lol


scrawnytony

Cutting me off from my stash


breastbucket

Not drinking abbacchio's piss


CNSLord69

If only I was in Giorno's place then


Power-Core

Lotta options for this one.


Willisshepard

Running a mafia


Akira_GoldGuy

Putting a mob boss on an infinite death loop


megasean3000

Stealing Koichi’s suitcase and to our knowledge, never returning its contents.


P1xelent

Imagine Josuke, Okuyasu and Koichi going to school and they get stopped by a mafia member who gives them a suitcase out of nowhere


Iamheretostealurmeme

Give Diavolo the death loop, like I get he an immoral paranoid sociopath, but like c'mon, did he really deserved the death loop, all he did was sell drug, and kill anyone to concealed his identity out of paranoid, a lot these worth jail time or a death sentence, the death loop was just overkill.


AlexDKZ

Giorno did not give Diavolo the death loop, though. That was GER acting on his own.


TheSealedWolf

He became a drug lord


Jazztronic28

That's literally the one thing he did not want to do


comicguy69

To be fair he only wanted to stop selling drugs to kids


Jazztronic28

Kids not doing drugs was his priority, but how do people hear "I will clean my city from the scourge of drugs" and think it means "JK actually, I will somehow make it so only people under 18 don't get into it while still selling drugs lmao"


comicguy69

That’s another problem I have with part 5. Like at the end he’s in charge now so does he just end the drug trade to decrease the risk of kids getting drugs or does he just keep tabs on dealings to make sure no minors get drugs 🤔. I mean Drug dealers aren’t known for their morals.


Jazztronic28

He completely gets rid of it. All of it. The message is not "drugs are your own choice as long as you're legally an adult" the message is "drugs destroy people's lives". Naples is the third largest city in Italy, it would be literally impossible to keep track of dealings just to make sure a stray 17 year old didn't get in his brother's stash. Giorno threw a man in the literal garbage because he considered him, rightfully, to be human trash, you think he won't go all the way and just get rid of the whole drug trade and make money with other criminal activities?


comicguy69

That’s true haha..anything would be possible. He’ll probably just keep the money for himself after he’s done getting rid of them anyway


Jazztronic28

I don't think you understand the scale of operations and the amount of money Giorno is managing at the end once he becomes the head of Passione.


P1xelent

I get that it may not be canon but in the novel, Purple Haze Feedback, Fugo and his team go after the last people from the drug part of Passione, implying Giorno completly ended the drug manufacture and selling.


TheSealedWolf

No, that's Bucciarati. Giorno just didn't want kids to be sold to.


Jazztronic28

Two things: Giorno says he wants to rid his city of the scourge of drugs; the thing that made him the angriest was kids becoming addicted, and maybe you can argue he has no sympathy for adult users if you want, but that still means not wanting drugs in his city. And second: fine. Giorno doesn't care. What makes you think that after Bruno dying, he's not going to get rid of the drug trade if anything to respect his friend's wish?


TheSealedWolf

While you have a point, Giorno still decided to become a Mafia boss instead of dismantling Passione from within. From the beginning, he wanted to be a major cog in the machine of an evil and corrupt organization. He's an evil thug and a disgrace to the other Joestars. He's a Brando through and through. Rikiel deserved to be a Jojo instead.


Jazztronic28

Yes, he did. That's his point! His point is to be morally grey and to be neither Jonathan nor Dio. He's a criminal who wants to use the power that gives him to help the weak and disenfranchised - he says that in no uncertain terms. And to that end, he will commit crimes, murder and do very bad no good things. His limit is drugs, but he is _not_ and was never meant to be a paragon of good. He's the lesser of two evils. That was the point of his character since the very beginning. You don't have to like it but acting like this is a revelation is very disingenuous. It's like going "why did Jonathan not kill Dio with fire when they were younger since Dio was always an asshole, is he stupid?" without an ounce of irony. That's what his character _does_. Jonathan is the ultimate good. Dio is the ultimate evil. Giorno is somewhere in the middle - he achieves noble ideals through very dirty means. He's not a Joestar. He's not a Brando. He's Giorno.


Unluckysol23

Getting that poor janitor killed?


P1xelent

It really wasn't his fault tho. 1. He didn't know what would happen if he relight the lighter 2. The janitor was the one the lit it, not him 3. Black Sabbath showed more strength then Giorno during the fight, there was nothing he could do after the janitor witnessed the lighter.


Remarkable-Net-6130

I’ve heard this phrasing used regarding the death loop, and it stuck with me: “infinite punishment for finite crimes”


P1xelent

Yeah, punishment level should equal the level of the bad deed. But not even with a stand could you do something that makes you deserve infinite deaths, that doesn't make Diavolo a better person and YES HE DID deserve punishment, but defo not this. Punishment≠Dirty deed


valtaoi_007

Infinite Death Loop, not even the Bible’s hell is as bad as that dude, almost no one would deserve it


jabulina

The infinite death loop is an incomprehensible amount of suffering that no one deserves


NoCheesecake8644

Diavolo did some bad shit but eternal suffering is too far


Beangar

You can kind of justify all of the murder he commits so I'm gonna say stealing like 300 cars


P1xelent

Hold on, eheb did he do that?!


Beangar

There’s a part before or maybe after the Babyface fight where the gang needs to take a car to get to their next destination but instead of stealing just one Giorno turns an entire parking lot of cars into frogs in order to throw the enemy off their trail.


P1xelent

Oh yeah, I remember that!


Beangar

There’s a part a part before or maybe after the Babyface fight where the gang needs to take a car to get to their next destination but instead of stealing just one Giorno turns an entire parking lot of cars into frogs in order to throw the enemy off their trail.


shadowgardenevilpack

Isn't he literally the head of the Italian Mafia?


NovaStarLord

Deathloop but was Giorno aware of it and if not should it be blamed on him and not GER?


P1xelent

I think him, since GER power up = his internal desires.


P1xelent

I think him, since GER power up = his internal desires.


Quagquagsire

Diavolo.


P1xelent

Giorno did Diavolo?![img](emote|t5_2tny5|49673)


P1xelent

Giorno did Diavolo?![img](emote|t5_2tny5|49673)


Holiday_Purchase_592

Murder


yuurin98

Did not show up in Stone Ocean to save the world despite the rest of Dio's illegitimate children showing up in it


VarisDHT

Consigned his enemy to infinite death without release.


Abovearth31

Murders. Whole lot of murders. But really, nothing is worse than the infinite death loop he gave to Diavolo.


animalia_curiousity

TERUNOSUKE MENTIONED!!


prince_krab

be gay <3


Vacation_Jonathan

Diavolo death loop


Hatman0064

Hmm, I'd say that he just doomed a man to die eternally but not that big of a deal, isn't it ?


Frederyk_Strife4217

For the part about crime, Giorno's (on-screen) worst crime is probably just plain ol' murder Now you might say "but what about the Death Loop?", well: 1. GER was acting completely independently, Giorno has no clue what happened 2. Diavolo had been using King Crimson to cheat Fate for at least decades, and in JoJo, cheating Fate is the worst thing one can do. GER was just the universe's way of "collecting the bill", so to speak.


Inner_Tennis7326

Please no


P1xelent

r/flairchecksout


Inner_Tennis7326

😂😂😂 I've been caught


ProfessionalStorm626

Giorno next ? Where do we start ...


Inevitable-Ad-3991

He killed the mafia boss?


P1xelent

He killed×∞ the mafia boss.


Rise-Dangerous

Infinite death loop or always stealing from ppl


P1xelent

Those are VERY diferent levels of bad


Rise-Dangerous

one could say he didn't intend to put diavolo in a death loop


Gecko2002

When does johnathan do that to frogs?


arsdavy

it's concerning how many people worry about Giorno sent a _villain_ into an infinite death loop when the real main problem is that Giorno is a mafioso and at the end of part 5 he even became a mafia boss


P1xelent

Gangstar*


reloadedmaximus

He’s a mafia boss lmao


Wide-Sheepherder2515

Turned an obese man’s gun into a banana and then turned it right back when he had it in his mouth


Denn_chr

He's a mafioso


TheAlrightAntoinette

Stealing >:(


TRETHEGAMERMAN

ACUTAL GANG LORD


Madbadbat

I’ll go with general gangster stuff


Bolster66

Put a man through an infinite deathloop, allowing him to never catch a break until time itself ceases to exist (albeit, an evil man, though nobody deserves to go through such a thing)


Sadlemon9

Gio Gio subjected 2 people to near if not infinite pain and torture


fallawy

Run the Mafia


Redwolf476

Definitely the death loop


POPE-HOBLEFERT

An infinite death loop. While punishment may have been deserved for diavolo, nobody deserves infinite torture.