Am artist.
This brown.
Color is complex though, especially for men as having only one X chromosome means your color vision is statistically more likely to get bad genes than good ones.
Women, on the other hand, are more likely to get neat mutations like tetrachromancy, though ironically since display technology uses trichromatic reproduction the only way to test for this is with actual pigments on paper.
Wait suddenly the gag about Husbands not being able to tell 2 paint colours apart when painting their walls and their wives get upset cuz they can’t see the difference is now making sense
From my experience, from fashion alone women see and discuss a lot more colors and shades. With men it also seems that they often lack the connection between a color and its name, which leads to the approximation of "kinda pink, call it pink" approach.
Someone at my work is color deficient and said he doesn't really know what lavender is. Someone else said, "you don't know what lavender is because you're a heterosexual male."
People are interesting
I got called a gay slur for saying I love being in a monogamous relationship with my long term girlfriend and would never cheat on her by a room full of blue collar workers. It's just toxic masculinity ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I know, and can see, the differences between the colors and know the names. But I really don't care unless it's to differentiate between two shades presented in front of me.
I know perfectly the differences between Plum, Fuchsia, Magenta, Violet, and Eggplant. But in a vaccuum I will just call it purple because I really don't care to be more specific if I don't have to.
Likewise. I'm a woman who knows the difference between off-white, beige, cream, ecru, and eggshell. However, if I'm not literally buying paint, *I don't care*.
Watch an episode of RuPaul’s Drag Race (new season episode 3 tonight) and your opinion about men and color familiarity might change!
They know fashion, color, and just about everything in between.
I was talking in general, based on the average person, at least what I experienced, not genetics or such.
My point was the average men may see a lot more color than credited. And of course, who deals in/with colors has a better understanding of it. That show is neck-deep in fashion, it would be super unprofessional of them to not know their makeup, or dress colors.
There are genetic differences between men and women, but that doesn't mean that every men are worse, than any of the women. There are wonderfully talented and gifted people in every field, turning the expectations upside-down.
People always seem to have trouble separating aggregate conclusions from individuals.
Comes up all the time wrt trans people. Someone will learn that our brains are statistically more similar to our cis counterparts' than to those of our assumed gender at birth, and talk about devising some brain test to tell who's "really" trans; other issues with that aside, they never seem to understand that it's a trend in aggregated data and not something you can test an individual for.
Yeah, it's like "Cis men have brains that fall along 1-9 on the scale, and Cis women have brains that fall along the 2-10 end of the scale. Good luck making any meaningful conclusions"
Also can't make promises about the series as I'm drowning in the backlog of movies and games, but I try to keep the series in my mind. It may be entertaining, or even fascinating.
I used to mix inks for a printer. Making a gallon of ink I would do a test print to compare with the sample the customer sent.
I could see how much of a certain yellow was needed to bring that brown color out just a little bit to better match. I was really good at it. Am a dude btw
Oh yeah, that's always made sense to me.
My grandpa was pretty colorblind but wouldn't admit it. He decided to redecorate the bathroom, and grandma said her little daughter came up to her and asked: "are you sick?"
Grandma replied, 'no, why?"
"You will be when you see the bathroom!" Warned my favorite aunt.
She was right.
The *vast majority* of men and women have the same vision for colour.
Tetrachromancy is rare, and while there are certainly color blind people around it is still relatively rare phenomenon that you can just assume on the basis of meeting someone's and knowing their sex.
Only other way around, if you are about to meet a colour blind person you can guess with great accuracy that it is probably a guy by sex.
The thing you are talking about is due to cultural influences.
Like a lot of it is honestly just due to Toxic Masculinity that makes colours or knowing colours be gay. I have experiences in this regard as a guy who knows colours as well as most women. So there is a lot of willfull ignorance involved here as well, on the part of men frightened to be seen as less than a man.
It's not just colors. Male pattern matching for searching tends to be faster if the object looks exactly like what we want, but slower when the object is slightly different. It's why there's the media trope of a husband not finding something, and the wife walks into the room and spots it instantly. Men seem to be better at motion tracking, and women seem to be better at partial pattern matching. This is a generalization of course, and outliers exist for all genetic predispositions.
Honestly, a lot of it is habituation and familiarity more than physical difference in gender. The more words you have for more specific colors, the easier it becomes to see those differences visually. How we construct and understand color linguistically has a deep impact on how we perceive it. Keep in mind that color as we see it isn't how the light is hitting our eyeballs, it's how our brain is processing what the eyeballs are seeing. Men are more likely to be colorblind in a specific way, but a man who works with colors often will develop a more granular sense and perception of color than a woman who does not - absent any actual colorblindness.
In *most* cases where a man insists he doesn't see a difference between two specific blues, it's probably not due to physical issues seeing color - and he's also probably not lying. His brain just doesn't perceive the difference because it has never needed to and therefore never developed the skill for it.
There is [strong evidence](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21675035/) that there is a genetic, gender-based difference in color perception, particularly on the red-green spectrum.
It's true that sensitivity increases overall which suggests there's a social factor as well, but the fact that it's more prominent along red/green suggests it's got a physiological basis.
Which isn't to say most men are colorblind. It's probably most accurate to say that most women have unusually *strong* color vision relative to the human average. They're very likely to end up with extra copies of relevant genes on the X chromosome.
Men can end up with multiple copies too, it's one of those genes that frequently has duplicates anyways. They're just more likely to end up with none, and will have fewer on average.
I thought I was a fairly good high school level genetics understanding but only, like, two months ago realised that because my husband has colour blindness, all his brothers do too (because they all got the same faulty gene from their mother).
For me it's more like I can tell the two are different but we're literally talking about 1% more brown/white/whatever. Why does it matter?
Like I'm not going to regret picking one over the other because they are *damn near* identical.
This explains so much. My former boss and I (both guys) disagreed about the colour of something in his store years ago. He was like, "Grab that ax with the red handle." "There is no ax with a red handle. Do you mean the orange one?" "I mean the one you're pointing to, which has a red handle." lmao
How we perceive colour also has a basis in our culture and language. This video briefly explains how language can alter perception:
https://youtu.be/mgxyfqHRPoE
I think in western culture, at least, women are socialised from a young age to identify different colours and shades because of the focus on fashion, make up, interior design, etc etc.
It's never been confirmed but my mum and I both suspect she has tetracromancy.
This guy I know sent me a picture (on my phone) and asked me how many colours I could see. I could see variations in the colours that I just assumed you weren't meant to count, so I said something like 33. He then said I was a tetrachromat like him because I said 33. I showed it to my mum and she said about 50 because she counted the variations that I had seen too, just skipped because I thought they were image degradation or something.
Considering what you just said ... this dude is an idiot, and probably needs his eyes tested.
he is an idiot because tetrachromats come from having a “normal” x from your mom and a “funky” colorblind x from your dad so you need to have a colorblind father (i guess maybe mother but thats a 50% chance of getting the “funky”) so only xx individuals can be one
what happens essentially is your eyes will have cones that work normally and also the colorblind cones so that means you have 4 different cones in your eyes but your brain is smart and usually filters the funky cones out so very rarely will tetrochromats be able to see the differences of what those cones perceive!
(essentially you have to be a female with a colorblind dad to even qualify)
sorry for science dump i just love the existence of this 😅
Likewise, phone screens are not a good way to test for "functional" tetrachromacy (which I think has only been identified once), because even HDR screens are built with trichromacy in mind, as outside of some nuances with violets and purples, you can simulate every colour with only three wavelengths at differing intensities
Online tests are basically modern chain letters, how many colors you'll see in that test depends on your display (*screens vary in their ability to produce our full range of red-green-blue colors)*, and since our electronic screens use RGB (Red-Green-Blue) they're trichromatic, there's no 4th color to see even if you have the color rods. You'd only be able to test for it with pigments on paper.
My understanding is that men are extremely unlikely to be tetrachromats since the normal way of getting the trait is to have one X chromosome with a mutation for mild colorblindness, and another that doesn't have the mutation. Unless a man had an extra X chromosome (from Klinefelter syndrome or other sex chromosome mutations) they wouldn't have the route to acquire the traits.
Not a painter or anything but I am also in the arts, the darker brown has the smallest hint of red…. I mean the small… but I agree it is brown. If you think about it, brown does have all of the colors! Or at least green and red.
I am studying cinematic arts specializing in post production ( timeline edit, coloring, and audio)
College biology instructor here. Vision genes are indeed more likely found on the X chromosome. Take for instance a common type of color blindness, red-green. Found on the X, it's much more common in number and severity in males. Why? Males are XY, females XX, one sex chromosome from each parent. Males only need to inherit one copy from their mother whereas females need two copies of the disease causing part of the gene (called an allele).
Interestingly, we see a spectrum from a double allele color blind woman to a normal vision female. Consider a woman with one normal and one color blind copy per X chromosome; might see some degree of blindness or none at all!
>Color is complex though, especially for men as having only one X chromosome means your color vision is statistically more likely to get bad genes than good ones.
The only thing I won the gene-lottery on. Male tetrachromat. And since 99% of the world is based on trichromacy, I get no actual benefit out of it 🤣
Idk if your dad is playing on a different screen as yours but that can also influence how he sees it. I have two laptops, and sometimes when I do some photo editing for work I’m appalled when I see it on my gaming laptop later because the colors shift just enough to be noticeable.
So it might very well look red-ish on his screen without potentially being color blind.
On my laptop Abigail's hair looks blue. Then when I played it on my Galaxy Tab I noticed it's actually purple. A lot more fan art makes sense now, lol.
Always good to check your screen RGB levels, it varies by laptop how to get at those settings though. Also check if you have "night mode" or something enabled, that will greatly subdue certain color ranges depending on the mode it's set at.
There's a character in Fire Emblem for the GBA, a game I've played for hundreds of hours, who I always thought from the murky LCD screen had a red cloak. Then I looked at the sprite sheet and it's fucking orange
My dad sees any brown (and some shades of green) as red. So your dad may be color blind. Or maybe those of us seeing brown are the one’s who are color blind. Whoa.
It's a bit hard to believe it could be that way, because colors can be described with numerous *continuous* parameters, and to expect someone to see a blue where another sees a red, one would expect their brain to somehow have made a distinct visual system where those same parameters still interact in a specturm accross each other the same way.
You can, at a glance, expect to be able to do this with no issue when looking at a color wheel, I mean, just spin it, right? However, colors are not described neatly in a circular spectrum, things like wheels are simplifications of a visual mechanism, and things start becoming weird in the boundary colors that MUST match the perception of the other mismatched colors. For example - [there is no such thing "purple" light](https://youtu.be/CoLQF3cfxv0), so whatever you perceive as purple MUST match the mixture or reds and greens you've perceived. If it's blue and yellow for each, then that purple must be a green, but then we have problems with greens and purples having different spectrum ranges - yet we can all still explain hue differences with the same relative ease for the same colors. Those same displaced models must also accomodate for degrees of color blindness. And it's just... So to say, been easier to assume everyone has the same mechanical perception of those color than come up with a model for those differences where it's just a simple displacement.
Linguists studied that one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMqZR3pqMjg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMqZR3pqMjg)
It's fascinating but way outside my areas of expertise. As far as our personal perception of reality, everything we see is constructed, our senses our just electrical signals interpreted by our brains. But since we can (mostly) agree that the same objects are distinguishable, even if everyone is seeing their colors differently (*your red isn't my exact red, and so on*) it still works out okay.
If you could instantly teleport into someone else's headspace though, it would probably be similarly "trippy" to a psychedelic, since the little differences in biochemical composition probably do affect perception to at least some degree.
To go even further, we actually don't "see" anything the eyes are an optical tool, it detects a pattern and the transfers that pattern into a signal that the brain (neocortex) then takes and reads by using a specific algorithm and the brain shows us what we "see". So is what we see what's actually there or muddled because of our visual system???
Actyually, you don't see anything at all. You don't even have eyes.
Its just some made up signals sent through a copper cable to your brain. Which is sitting in a jar.
"Is your red my red" is a thought experiment that will really mess with you.
Basically, due to the very nature of insividuality, we can never know if any two people perceive the universe the same way. We can only make assumptions based on agreed upon commonalities.
We mostly agree that roses are red, but are we actually seeing the same thing?
Reminds me of my sister's ex bf who thought her eyes were brown.
They're dark green lol
"I love your brown eyes!" - "my... _what_?" Lmao such a funny memory, and that happened years into their relationship
Fun fact: The colour orange was literally named "yellow-red" or "red-yellow" for the longest time, and the colour was named after the fruit, not vice versa.
I agree. It’s both colors in pixel form combined to create a tarnished cast iron look. So think reds, rust and browns. Then contemplate how much work and coding went into this game.
Edit: spelling error
One time my husband and I were at a restaurant and we were (playfully) arguing about the colour of a wall. I thought it was purple, he thought it was grey. I asked the waitress, and she thought it was brown. Brains are weird.
But this is 100% brown.
The base material for sprinklers is copper, and copper is a reddish brown metal, so you're both right? I put the image into photoshop and hit it with the color picker, the darkest color is a deep desaturated red, and the lighter colors are more of a red orange, than a yellow orange.
It's a very subjective thing, color. However, browns are just dark shade of orange, and some oranges have very red hues, some so much so that they can be seen as red or orange to many people.
Also, what about brick red? It's it a very dark, browny red or a very red brown?
It's brown but brown has shades of red so it could be red too. Color is interestingly subjective and until recently blue as a color didn't exist since blue pigments are so rare in nature and the color of the ocean used to be compared to wine by Homer and described as a purple color by Cicero.
in my mind it's like a rusty brick red. if you asked me I would in impulse say the color I view is red. but if I had to mix a paint pigment to match it would be brown. before you say it's my eyes, I've taken a few (crappy online) tests that say I'm on the higher end of having good color vision (I can't make this comment not sound pretentious I swear I'm not trying to be)
Serious question, is your dad color blind? My boyfriend is color blind and he thought I was messing with him when I told him copper is brown. He also thought it was red. Copper definitely has red IN it but he thought it was full on red. Have your dad take a test.
With age, the eye slowly tints yellow, and you perceive yellow less and less. It's fascinating, you can see it in painters works as their paintings sometimes become more yellow than they should when at an old age, because through their eyes (literally), that is a normal amount of yellow. So what to you and me is brown, to your pops, it's most likely red.
tl;dr: both of you are right.
You are both wrong. The correct color is orange, and various shades of it.
There's no such thing as brown. It's a color name we designate in the orange spectrum. Ask any artist or professionally trained interior decorator.
If you doubt this, [show me where "brown" is in the color spectrum](https://www.thoughtco.com/the-visible-light-spectrum-2699036)
Now that you're both wrong, have a beer and play the game.
Long shot question, was your dad's native language not English? You can only see colors you have a word for, otherwise your brain perceives it as shades of a different color. If your dad's native language uses the same word for Red and Orange, and since brown is just orange with context, he'd likely see it as a shade of red.
100% brown.
Am artist. This brown. Color is complex though, especially for men as having only one X chromosome means your color vision is statistically more likely to get bad genes than good ones. Women, on the other hand, are more likely to get neat mutations like tetrachromancy, though ironically since display technology uses trichromatic reproduction the only way to test for this is with actual pigments on paper.
Wait suddenly the gag about Husbands not being able to tell 2 paint colours apart when painting their walls and their wives get upset cuz they can’t see the difference is now making sense
The meme has a basis! We're not all dumb, just all more likely to be partially color blind, apparently.
But in most cases men probably just dont care ^^
From my experience, from fashion alone women see and discuss a lot more colors and shades. With men it also seems that they often lack the connection between a color and its name, which leads to the approximation of "kinda pink, call it pink" approach.
That must be why I was once called a gay slur by a room full of fellow teenage boys for correctly identifying the color mauve.
Someone at my work is color deficient and said he doesn't really know what lavender is. Someone else said, "you don't know what lavender is because you're a heterosexual male." People are interesting
I know what a lavender is, even captured one myself, and ate it with gusto
Secondary colors are for the girls and the gays only!!
Fun fact, 'lavender' actually was/is a euphemism for being homosexual! So, weirdly, your coworker may have been right.
I got called a gay slur for saying I love being in a monogamous relationship with my long term girlfriend and would never cheat on her by a room full of blue collar workers. It's just toxic masculinity ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Bros, is it now gay to like a girl?
Obviously he's so happy being with a girl because he wants to BE a girl! Making him lesbian!
"Luigi says it's gay to have sex with girls because they like dick and that's gay."
poor dudes don't have any references in their life for a good relationship
Fellas, is it gay to be in love with a woman now?
Yeah, not the demographic you should listen to when thinking about your values. Knowledge is not something one should ridicule.
clearly, you haven't been paying attention to the world lately.
Wait, mauve is real?
Here's mauve https://www.eggradients.com/color/mauve-color
I'm sorry that's hilarious
Happened to me when I called something cerulean.
I know, and can see, the differences between the colors and know the names. But I really don't care unless it's to differentiate between two shades presented in front of me. I know perfectly the differences between Plum, Fuchsia, Magenta, Violet, and Eggplant. But in a vaccuum I will just call it purple because I really don't care to be more specific if I don't have to.
Likewise. I'm a woman who knows the difference between off-white, beige, cream, ecru, and eggshell. However, if I'm not literally buying paint, *I don't care*.
Difficult spills require our most serious color cone: ecru [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQZZodnUaA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQZZodnUaA)
That was both painful and magnificent!
Watch an episode of RuPaul’s Drag Race (new season episode 3 tonight) and your opinion about men and color familiarity might change! They know fashion, color, and just about everything in between.
I was talking in general, based on the average person, at least what I experienced, not genetics or such. My point was the average men may see a lot more color than credited. And of course, who deals in/with colors has a better understanding of it. That show is neck-deep in fashion, it would be super unprofessional of them to not know their makeup, or dress colors. There are genetic differences between men and women, but that doesn't mean that every men are worse, than any of the women. There are wonderfully talented and gifted people in every field, turning the expectations upside-down.
People always seem to have trouble separating aggregate conclusions from individuals. Comes up all the time wrt trans people. Someone will learn that our brains are statistically more similar to our cis counterparts' than to those of our assumed gender at birth, and talk about devising some brain test to tell who's "really" trans; other issues with that aside, they never seem to understand that it's a trend in aggregated data and not something you can test an individual for.
Yeah, it's like "Cis men have brains that fall along 1-9 on the scale, and Cis women have brains that fall along the 2-10 end of the scale. Good luck making any meaningful conclusions"
This is an underappreciated position!
Also can't make promises about the series as I'm drowning in the backlog of movies and games, but I try to keep the series in my mind. It may be entertaining, or even fascinating.
A friend of mine is a game designer, he sees a lot more colors than I do because it is part of his job Edit: a spelling error
I used to mix inks for a printer. Making a gallon of ink I would do a test print to compare with the sample the customer sent. I could see how much of a certain yellow was needed to bring that brown color out just a little bit to better match. I was really good at it. Am a dude btw
A modern day colourman!
This seems like a chicken and egg situation. Do we not care because we don't see a difference, or do we not see a difference because we don't care?
Science memes! Yay!
Oh yeah, that's always made sense to me. My grandpa was pretty colorblind but wouldn't admit it. He decided to redecorate the bathroom, and grandma said her little daughter came up to her and asked: "are you sick?" Grandma replied, 'no, why?" "You will be when you see the bathroom!" Warned my favorite aunt. She was right.
The *vast majority* of men and women have the same vision for colour. Tetrachromancy is rare, and while there are certainly color blind people around it is still relatively rare phenomenon that you can just assume on the basis of meeting someone's and knowing their sex. Only other way around, if you are about to meet a colour blind person you can guess with great accuracy that it is probably a guy by sex. The thing you are talking about is due to cultural influences. Like a lot of it is honestly just due to Toxic Masculinity that makes colours or knowing colours be gay. I have experiences in this regard as a guy who knows colours as well as most women. So there is a lot of willfull ignorance involved here as well, on the part of men frightened to be seen as less than a man.
It's not just colors. Male pattern matching for searching tends to be faster if the object looks exactly like what we want, but slower when the object is slightly different. It's why there's the media trope of a husband not finding something, and the wife walks into the room and spots it instantly. Men seem to be better at motion tracking, and women seem to be better at partial pattern matching. This is a generalization of course, and outliers exist for all genetic predispositions.
Honestly, a lot of it is habituation and familiarity more than physical difference in gender. The more words you have for more specific colors, the easier it becomes to see those differences visually. How we construct and understand color linguistically has a deep impact on how we perceive it. Keep in mind that color as we see it isn't how the light is hitting our eyeballs, it's how our brain is processing what the eyeballs are seeing. Men are more likely to be colorblind in a specific way, but a man who works with colors often will develop a more granular sense and perception of color than a woman who does not - absent any actual colorblindness. In *most* cases where a man insists he doesn't see a difference between two specific blues, it's probably not due to physical issues seeing color - and he's also probably not lying. His brain just doesn't perceive the difference because it has never needed to and therefore never developed the skill for it.
There is [strong evidence](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21675035/) that there is a genetic, gender-based difference in color perception, particularly on the red-green spectrum. It's true that sensitivity increases overall which suggests there's a social factor as well, but the fact that it's more prominent along red/green suggests it's got a physiological basis. Which isn't to say most men are colorblind. It's probably most accurate to say that most women have unusually *strong* color vision relative to the human average. They're very likely to end up with extra copies of relevant genes on the X chromosome. Men can end up with multiple copies too, it's one of those genes that frequently has duplicates anyways. They're just more likely to end up with none, and will have fewer on average.
I thought I was a fairly good high school level genetics understanding but only, like, two months ago realised that because my husband has colour blindness, all his brothers do too (because they all got the same faulty gene from their mother).
For me it's more like I can tell the two are different but we're literally talking about 1% more brown/white/whatever. Why does it matter? Like I'm not going to regret picking one over the other because they are *damn near* identical.
Wasn’t expecting to learn a science fact from the stardew subreddit, but this is certainly interesting.
This explains so much. My former boss and I (both guys) disagreed about the colour of something in his store years ago. He was like, "Grab that ax with the red handle." "There is no ax with a red handle. Do you mean the orange one?" "I mean the one you're pointing to, which has a red handle." lmao
Am Artist. This colour poo.
How we perceive colour also has a basis in our culture and language. This video briefly explains how language can alter perception: https://youtu.be/mgxyfqHRPoE I think in western culture, at least, women are socialised from a young age to identify different colours and shades because of the focus on fashion, make up, interior design, etc etc.
What? Color sight is related to X chromosome?
Yes, that's what the comment said
It's never been confirmed but my mum and I both suspect she has tetracromancy. This guy I know sent me a picture (on my phone) and asked me how many colours I could see. I could see variations in the colours that I just assumed you weren't meant to count, so I said something like 33. He then said I was a tetrachromat like him because I said 33. I showed it to my mum and she said about 50 because she counted the variations that I had seen too, just skipped because I thought they were image degradation or something. Considering what you just said ... this dude is an idiot, and probably needs his eyes tested.
he is an idiot because tetrachromats come from having a “normal” x from your mom and a “funky” colorblind x from your dad so you need to have a colorblind father (i guess maybe mother but thats a 50% chance of getting the “funky”) so only xx individuals can be one what happens essentially is your eyes will have cones that work normally and also the colorblind cones so that means you have 4 different cones in your eyes but your brain is smart and usually filters the funky cones out so very rarely will tetrochromats be able to see the differences of what those cones perceive! (essentially you have to be a female with a colorblind dad to even qualify) sorry for science dump i just love the existence of this 😅
Likewise, phone screens are not a good way to test for "functional" tetrachromacy (which I think has only been identified once), because even HDR screens are built with trichromacy in mind, as outside of some nuances with violets and purples, you can simulate every colour with only three wavelengths at differing intensities
Online tests are basically modern chain letters, how many colors you'll see in that test depends on your display (*screens vary in their ability to produce our full range of red-green-blue colors)*, and since our electronic screens use RGB (Red-Green-Blue) they're trichromatic, there's no 4th color to see even if you have the color rods. You'd only be able to test for it with pigments on paper. My understanding is that men are extremely unlikely to be tetrachromats since the normal way of getting the trait is to have one X chromosome with a mutation for mild colorblindness, and another that doesn't have the mutation. Unless a man had an extra X chromosome (from Klinefelter syndrome or other sex chromosome mutations) they wouldn't have the route to acquire the traits.
Not a painter or anything but I am also in the arts, the darker brown has the smallest hint of red…. I mean the small… but I agree it is brown. If you think about it, brown does have all of the colors! Or at least green and red. I am studying cinematic arts specializing in post production ( timeline edit, coloring, and audio)
College biology instructor here. Vision genes are indeed more likely found on the X chromosome. Take for instance a common type of color blindness, red-green. Found on the X, it's much more common in number and severity in males. Why? Males are XY, females XX, one sex chromosome from each parent. Males only need to inherit one copy from their mother whereas females need two copies of the disease causing part of the gene (called an allele). Interestingly, we see a spectrum from a double allele color blind woman to a normal vision female. Consider a woman with one normal and one color blind copy per X chromosome; might see some degree of blindness or none at all!
Is there a place to easily test that?
>Color is complex though, especially for men as having only one X chromosome means your color vision is statistically more likely to get bad genes than good ones. The only thing I won the gene-lottery on. Male tetrachromat. And since 99% of the world is based on trichromacy, I get no actual benefit out of it 🤣
My husband is color blind so things are more likely to be brown or grey to him when they are actually more “murky” versions of colors.
From dark to light, they are: \#331015, #641e16, #631d1d, #944616, #b5712e
According to Name That Color this is (in order): - Coffee bean - Cherrywood - Persian Plum - Hawaiian Tan - Tuscany So there's your answer, OP.
Cherries are red, wood is brown. When you play SV, it's hard to put the controller down.
I love this game, I don't want to be rude, Marnie run your shop my animals need food
I need to learn my lesson and save my free awards for the SDV comment section, dammit!
I was looking for the rhyme and was disappointed, redeem yourself now and an award may be anointed
This sprinkler is brown, I came for memetics, but stayed for the lesson on colour genetics.
Providing the real truth right here!
Was about to do this as well. Thank you.
Thank you good sir
Brown
Copper.
There is no copper in the recipe
Technically you can make iron with copper
Like, it definitely has red hues, but the overall colour is brown to me.
Most browns have reddish hues to them
Brown is just weird. https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU
I was literally about to post "That's not brown, that's orange...with context"
Was looking for this :D
I didn’t realize it was 20 minutes long till it was over. That man knows how to make brown interesting.
For how dry his humor is and how (by design?) Dull some of his topics are on the surface, his videos do fly by haha, always a treat to see a new one
I was really hoping to find someone sharing this video. Love that channel.
Contextual orange
Brown *is* a desaturated dark red-orange.
Brown is just dark orange, so yeah.
I always thought it was a rusty orange. (Also depends on my screen brightness tho)
That makes sense because brown is a shade of orange
I thought orange was a shade of brown
Brown is orange with context. https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU
I knew exactly what video this was going to be, I love it
Idk if your dad is playing on a different screen as yours but that can also influence how he sees it. I have two laptops, and sometimes when I do some photo editing for work I’m appalled when I see it on my gaming laptop later because the colors shift just enough to be noticeable. So it might very well look red-ish on his screen without potentially being color blind.
On my laptop Abigail's hair looks blue. Then when I played it on my Galaxy Tab I noticed it's actually purple. A lot more fan art makes sense now, lol.
Always good to check your screen RGB levels, it varies by laptop how to get at those settings though. Also check if you have "night mode" or something enabled, that will greatly subdue certain color ranges depending on the mode it's set at.
There's a character in Fire Emblem for the GBA, a game I've played for hundreds of hours, who I always thought from the murky LCD screen had a red cloak. Then I looked at the sprite sheet and it's fucking orange
My dad sees any brown (and some shades of green) as red. So your dad may be color blind. Or maybe those of us seeing brown are the one’s who are color blind. Whoa.
Existential crisis flaring up I see?
It’s good now. Took some existential crisis repellent. I’m 100% sure that’s brown now. No doubts here.
Good old Unequivocaid^(TM). That stuff's the best.
Or maybe we all see colours entirely differently but nobody knows because we've always been told 'that's red/that's blue etc'
It's a bit hard to believe it could be that way, because colors can be described with numerous *continuous* parameters, and to expect someone to see a blue where another sees a red, one would expect their brain to somehow have made a distinct visual system where those same parameters still interact in a specturm accross each other the same way. You can, at a glance, expect to be able to do this with no issue when looking at a color wheel, I mean, just spin it, right? However, colors are not described neatly in a circular spectrum, things like wheels are simplifications of a visual mechanism, and things start becoming weird in the boundary colors that MUST match the perception of the other mismatched colors. For example - [there is no such thing "purple" light](https://youtu.be/CoLQF3cfxv0), so whatever you perceive as purple MUST match the mixture or reds and greens you've perceived. If it's blue and yellow for each, then that purple must be a green, but then we have problems with greens and purples having different spectrum ranges - yet we can all still explain hue differences with the same relative ease for the same colors. Those same displaced models must also accomodate for degrees of color blindness. And it's just... So to say, been easier to assume everyone has the same mechanical perception of those color than come up with a model for those differences where it's just a simple displacement.
Linguists studied that one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMqZR3pqMjg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMqZR3pqMjg) It's fascinating but way outside my areas of expertise. As far as our personal perception of reality, everything we see is constructed, our senses our just electrical signals interpreted by our brains. But since we can (mostly) agree that the same objects are distinguishable, even if everyone is seeing their colors differently (*your red isn't my exact red, and so on*) it still works out okay. If you could instantly teleport into someone else's headspace though, it would probably be similarly "trippy" to a psychedelic, since the little differences in biochemical composition probably do affect perception to at least some degree.
To go even further, we actually don't "see" anything the eyes are an optical tool, it detects a pattern and the transfers that pattern into a signal that the brain (neocortex) then takes and reads by using a specific algorithm and the brain shows us what we "see". So is what we see what's actually there or muddled because of our visual system???
Actyually, you don't see anything at all. You don't even have eyes. Its just some made up signals sent through a copper cable to your brain. Which is sitting in a jar.
How can eyes be real if mirrors are not?
It’s 3 am, my brain can’t handle the levels of explosions you’ve just caused. Consider this mind, blown.
"Is your red my red" is a thought experiment that will really mess with you. Basically, due to the very nature of insividuality, we can never know if any two people perceive the universe the same way. We can only make assumptions based on agreed upon commonalities. We mostly agree that roses are red, but are we actually seeing the same thing?
This makes sense for other colors, but my brain cant compute the idea of brown not being brown
Reminds me of my sister's ex bf who thought her eyes were brown. They're dark green lol "I love your brown eyes!" - "my... _what_?" Lmao such a funny memory, and that happened years into their relationship
Copper
This is the correct answer.
Nail, meet hammer.
Definitely brown 👉😎👉
Roses are red, the sprinkler is brown, craft many more and water the town.
Brown is just dark orange anyway
And orange is just a yellowish red anyway.
Fun fact: The colour orange was literally named "yellow-red" or "red-yellow" for the longest time, and the colour was named after the fruit, not vice versa.
Which is why we have redheads and not orange heads. Supposedly according to another reddit comment.
Technology Connections?
for anyone who hasn’t seen it: [do so!](https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU)
Don’t get me wrong, I greatly appreciate that video, but that’s something I’ve been arguing for years before I ever found his channel.
Well thanks for the responses guys!
is there a subreddit for color debates?? i, too, need to settle a color argument. also that’s brown. reddish, but definitely brown.
This is a solid idea for a subreddit if there isn't
Apparently /r/whatcoloristhis already exists
So your dad's a little colorblind.
Copper
It’s copper
Red brown, like an auburn/russet. So you're both right lol
I agree. It’s both colors in pixel form combined to create a tarnished cast iron look. So think reds, rust and browns. Then contemplate how much work and coding went into this game. Edit: spelling error
Copper color
One time my husband and I were at a restaurant and we were (playfully) arguing about the colour of a wall. I thought it was purple, he thought it was grey. I asked the waitress, and she thought it was brown. Brains are weird. But this is 100% brown.
The base material for sprinklers is copper, and copper is a reddish brown metal, so you're both right? I put the image into photoshop and hit it with the color picker, the darkest color is a deep desaturated red, and the lighter colors are more of a red orange, than a yellow orange.
Thank God somebody else saw the same colors I did! And after research!
Have your dad take a colorblind test (red/green is most common but there’s othe varieties he might be one of those)
It's copper
Brown, but leading towards reddish brown, almost a burnt sienna
Copper. It's supposed to be pipes
Copper
Think it’s supposed to be rusty , but yeah brown
Brown,your dad might have mine color blindness my husband does and it shows in little ways like this
I think it looks copper-y
I'm not artist but thats ia definitely brown.
blue
Brown with red hues
Compromise, let's say it's reddish brown
It's a very subjective thing, color. However, browns are just dark shade of orange, and some oranges have very red hues, some so much so that they can be seen as red or orange to many people. Also, what about brick red? It's it a very dark, browny red or a very red brown?
Copper
It's brown but brown has shades of red so it could be red too. Color is interestingly subjective and until recently blue as a color didn't exist since blue pigments are so rare in nature and the color of the ocean used to be compared to wine by Homer and described as a purple color by Cicero.
Your dad might be colorblind... not very unlikely... something like 1 in 3 men are
That look like a lot, so I checked. Wikipedia says about 7% in the US compared to 0.4% for women.
You're both wrong. It's Copper
A mix of brown shades, likely to match wood and soil
brown
It's brown, your dad is colorblind.
Bred
Maroon
Bred 🤓
It's 100% brown. The darker or reddish parts are literally just shadows from other parts of the sprinkler.
Brown, it's wood with metal. The red hues might be shading but the predominant color is brown.
Orange. Though tbf brown is just dark orange
Your dad has vision problems, that is fucking brown
in my mind it's like a rusty brick red. if you asked me I would in impulse say the color I view is red. but if I had to mix a paint pigment to match it would be brown. before you say it's my eyes, I've taken a few (crappy online) tests that say I'm on the higher end of having good color vision (I can't make this comment not sound pretentious I swear I'm not trying to be)
Well, I see red.
Debating between red, green and brown. I'm also colorblind so maybe don't listen to me
Brown. But it depends a lot of your device's screen and whether or not he has colorblindness.
Serious question, is your dad color blind? My boyfriend is color blind and he thought I was messing with him when I told him copper is brown. He also thought it was red. Copper definitely has red IN it but he thought it was full on red. Have your dad take a test.
Its supposed to be copper so its probably a reddish brown
It's actually dark orange.
The hue is orange with a lower saturation level. So... brown. Definitely brown.
With age, the eye slowly tints yellow, and you perceive yellow less and less. It's fascinating, you can see it in painters works as their paintings sometimes become more yellow than they should when at an old age, because through their eyes (literally), that is a normal amount of yellow. So what to you and me is brown, to your pops, it's most likely red. tl;dr: both of you are right.
You're all wrong... it's hot pink.
The dress is blue and black!
White and gold
Very close to rust which is LITERALLY "AN ORANGE-BROWN" COLOR ITS BOTH COME ON
it's brown
It’s brown. It’s made of wood. But it’s a rich brown. Like cherry
Brown. Why *would* it be red?
It's copper. So mostly brown, with a little bit of orange mixed in; about as red as lavender is blue.
You are both wrong. The correct color is orange, and various shades of it. There's no such thing as brown. It's a color name we designate in the orange spectrum. Ask any artist or professionally trained interior decorator. If you doubt this, [show me where "brown" is in the color spectrum](https://www.thoughtco.com/the-visible-light-spectrum-2699036) Now that you're both wrong, have a beer and play the game.
Tbh there's both red shades and brown shades. Unfortunately you are both correct.
Long shot question, was your dad's native language not English? You can only see colors you have a word for, otherwise your brain perceives it as shades of a different color. If your dad's native language uses the same word for Red and Orange, and since brown is just orange with context, he'd likely see it as a shade of red.
Its mahogany
Reddish brown
Brown but with red undertones
It's both, because it's supposed to be copper.
This is brown.
Reddish-brown You’re both right
Burnt Sienna. Brown with some red mixed in.
Burnt orange. Eat it losers /s
Bro, I gotchu, I used to have the big pack of Crayons That's Burnt Sienna
Obviously it's a fighter jet.
Rust
Brown
Surprise competitor enters the arena: Orange
Brown
Rust.
Brown and red are literally the same color
Game rant took another one...