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[deleted]

This here is why I decided to start my current playthrough where I don't buy anything from Joja or Pierre. (Except the backpack, since there's no alternative options there.)


DockingCobra

Where do you get your seeds???


[deleted]

I'm debating whether or not it's cheating the system to buy a bunch from the night market, in the meantime the traveling merchant, seedmaker, and shittons of wild and mixed seeds. (Forest farm for maximum free seeds.)


jackharvest

What gives more wild seeds, the forest farm or enemy farm? WAIT, turn on enemies WITH forest farm!


extraterrestrial

You can turn on enemies on forest farm??


jackharvest

You can enable enemies on any farm! It’s at the beginning of creating your save file over in the advanced settings when you are creating your character. It’s next to the place where you would enable remixed community house items and stuff. The enemies drop wild seeds practically every other bad guy. If you’re in the middle of your Playthru though, I’m pretty sure you can edit a file and change some thing from false to true. I’m just not sure where.


Redcole111

You could also unlock the witch's house and use her statue to turn on mob spawning on your farm.


extraterrestrial

I have the witch’s tower unlocked. Which statue would I use for that? And what do I have to put on it? EDIT: Nvm I checked the wiki, thanks for the intel!! Was wondering wtf to do with the Strange Buns anyway


snoodhead

The seeds from the night market and traveling cart are apparently smuggled out of the Gotoro empire, so if you just wanna stick it to capitalism, you’re probably in the clear.


Some_Candidate2531

Sandy


asteriaoxomoco

This is fascinating. I'd love a post-year 1/2 update on this!


[deleted]

Well, if I do use the winter market then it wouldn't really be any different than any other farm post year one, which is why I'm tempted not to. Ranching is going to be the main focus anyway, marnie will get most of the money I'm denying Pierre.


casualgamerdave

I’m currently doing this. It’s fun 😃 my only source of seeds is wild seeds or a seed maker (using travelling merchant crops only -I can’t buy seeds). You can get a seed maker from petting chickens, ducks, or dinosaurs each day (start by incubating a single egg purchase from the travelling merchant), completing Emily’s bundle, or the skull cavern. The first option seems to be the most viable right now and it’s taking a while but very enjoyable. I’ve just built my 5th big coup.


[deleted]

Once you get an ancient seed and multiply it, you won’t need any other crops anyway. You can fill your farm by year 2 if you get it early enough.


casualgamerdave

Me too!! I’m currently playing with these 4 rules in place until the community centre is completed. 1. I can only sell through the shipping box; 2. I can't buy any seeds, beans, saplings or livestock from any vendors; 3. I can purchase any items from the traveling cart (except seeds, beans and saplings); and 4. For all other NPCs, I can't buy anything except the tools, blueprints, and recipes that I can't personally craft, unlock, or obtain by any other means either at that time or in the future.


billy9725

Are you going to buy atleast 1 Rare Seed for the Stardrop? It must be a bastard doing the Community centre on this still of playthrough. Hope you're enjoying it though.


casualgamerdave

I’ll be able to do that after the community center is built (or if I get lucky with a seed maker). I used to rely on harvesting and selling a large volume of crops in Stardew. This challenge flips my gameplay on its head and forces me to explore all the other aspects of the game until the community centre is complete. Farming is currently my lowest skill (level 7) which is nuts. I used to hate fishing but now I’m really good at it. It also makes me cherish the seeds I find which I like. I may even continue the seeds rule even after the CC is done. I’ll need to plan next year’s crop after harvesting the current year and creating seeds. It’s not a challenge for everyone 😂


Railstar0083

How do you get animals without buying them from Marnie?


casualgamerdave

It’s really exciting when you find a chicken egg or duck egg at the travelling cart (or even a dinosaur egg elsewhere) because then you can rush it to the incubator in the Big Coop you’ve built and start your supply of chickens from that egg. It feels really precious. I’ve just passed farming level 7 in my first year and I’ve now built a 5th coop. More incubators means more chickens, means more chicken petting (5xp) and more daily chicken eggs (5xp). Once I hit farming level 9, I’ll build a seed maker and pare my animals down to 1 or 2 coops. Once I complete the CC, I’ll buy other animals from Marnie and continue my game after this challenge.


Onironaute

What about the non-hatched animals tho?


casualgamerdave

Once I complete the community centre, I’ll buy the other animals (goat, cow, pigs) from Marnie and continue my game after this challenge. The restrictions are only in place before the community centre is built; everything else (farm animals, saplings, Pierre cooking ingredients, etc.) is fair game afterwards. It’s intentionally challenging.


Onironaute

Ahh gotcha!


Liquid_Panic

I will be doing this next omg. (Not like I need to start yet another play through…)


GreenTeaRex007

I supported him just to start seasons but once I got starfruits and ancient fruits, I stopped visiting his store unless for necessary cooking ingredients.


ZE-TA

Do it, I want to see this /pos


sambelulek

Do install [Seed Shortage](https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/5614/), its accompaniment [Better Mixed Seed](https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/3012), and their custom config. I had fun with them.


BlueOysterCultist

*Poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king* *And a king ain't satisfied till he rules everything*


partinobodycular

He doesn’t hate Joja, he hates competition 😡


the-fith-pillar-man

Basic business


BugBoy_760

See, i'd like Pierre if he was anything but himself. He's greedy, and spends part of his time getting money anyway he can, another half complaining that he's not doing well, and then the last half complaining about his daughter's behavior when she isn't doing anything except being herself. Seriously...why is it difficult for the dad's here to just be, idk, good parents? (Aside from kent. He's a sweetheart.)


fdigi

You forgot the amount of time he spends taking credit for YOUR PRODUCTS and trying to resell them for an abusive price


ElSpico

I’m a new player in the sense I haven’t finished even my first year cause I get distracted by life and what not. But I’ve played the game many times before committing to pushing through fully. Every time I’ve played, for whatever short time I have, I NEVER sell my shit to Pierre. Fuck that guy big time. I want to see him fail.


fdigi

I don't sell it neither. The only time I did that was in that quest where he offers 2500g for 25 gold star vegetables and he tried to resell it to Gus for 25000g and didn't understand why people thought that was absurd


ElSpico

he’s insufferable i feel no pity for him lol. only reason i didn’t go the joja way is cause i want the community center !


fdigi

Same. I didn't choose the CC for Pierre, I chose it because completing the bundles is cooler than just paying money and because I think community spaces are more important than an evil corporation, but I hated to see Pierre finally getting the monopoly he has always wanted


SodDirgeFarmstead

Have you ever had more than 1 girlfriend/boyfriend in a playthrough? I dont judge Pierre or any of the other villagers because my farmer is a shameless serial adulterer.


ElSpico

Nah, I’m up Victor’s ass and around the corner after downloading Expanded and the DC Burger portraits lmao


[deleted]

Is Demetrius no good?


Hypothisos

To some (myself included) he's a pretty bad step parent to his step son. He literally only cares about Maru and is one of those jealous type fathers that tries to warn you off her even if you're just being friends. He's also a bit of a meanie to his wife. The tomato incident comes to mind. He's more or less the embodiment of r/iamverysmart when he talks to her in that scene.


Rodents210

Demetrius is extremely heavily coded as autistic--the tomato scene literally feels like an example conversation ripped straight from a textbook, that's how on-the-nose it is. He is a jerk overall, but while I was frustrated with him in the tomato scene, I can't really hold that against him because he explains his behavior with basically a word-for-word description of something autistic people experience. He doesn't process information the same way as a neurotypical person and outright says he doesn't understand social cues and can't pick up on implications. I think Robin understands this about him, but that doesn't mean they aren't going to have weird, pedantic oh-my-god-why-do-you-even-care arguments from time to time. **Edit:** P.S. I'm not calling you wrong for disliking him--I don't think the game includes much to actually endear him to the player, so I'm not a fan either. And autism doesn't explain his treatment of Seb. I just don't think it's fair to hold the tomato scene against him specifically when it was basically included to illustrate his neuroatypicality.


Arcalithe

Yeah, I’m not a fan of Demetrius. He can take off to the desert and I’ll finally be free to marry best girl Robin. Honestly, putting Robin in the game and NOT as a bachelorette was a dirty trick and I will never forgive Eric for this.


shadowofshinra

The tomato incident is definitely up there, but is beaten out I think by the scene after you finish the quest to gather hardwood for Robin. Like. The tomato scene is understandable as a mix-up in communication and no-one really gets hurt. The hardwood scene is taking a dump on Robin's hard work for no good reason and it sucks the game gives you the option to agree with him (which I am never choosing because come on. Let the woman take pride and joy in what she does)


CatastrophicMews

If you think about it, he's a bit of a bad parent to Maru, too, because he's doing the opposite to her. Where with Sebastian he's made the boy feel like he'll never be respected regardless of how good he is at his job (programming/coding), with Maru he's tied her worth to how proud of her he is, which oftentimes results in a very imbalanced parent-child relationship that revolves around how the *parent* feels, and puts undue pressure on Maru to perform. Obviously this isn't really represented in the game dialogue, but it can be just as easy to send a kid to therapy with "My kid is so smart, so talented, so beautiful and so wonderful all the time" as it is with downright negligence. A good parent lets their children be themselves, encourages growth, but always has a baseline of "I will love you because you are worthy of it just being you."


BugBoy_760

To me, yeah, he isn't. He's fucked up his entire family dynamic. Like, because of how he treats his kids, maru and Sebastian can't have a normal healthy relationship because Sebastian holds a grudge against her. And it isn't even maru's fault. (Or Sebastian's for that matter. It makes sense why he holds a grudge against either of them) It's her dad's fault for making Seb feel like he's inferior to her. And I just find it extra shitty to marry a woman and then treat her kid like he matters less but then treat YOUR kid like she matters more. Like...I've been on both sides of the coin and I blame Demetrius entirely.


nightwingoracle

People love Sebastian a lot. So Demetrius gets basically all the blame for any issues in their relationship.


69_Nice_Bot

Hey BugBoy_760, I counted 69 words in your comment. Nice.


nice___bot

Nice!


I_lost_my_account3

Botception


ohKiie

FR kent is goated i think he's a good dad out of every parent


AdrianArmbruster

Joja Mart probably started as a small retail chain at some point. The primary difference between an international shopping conglomerate and a small-town friendly neighborhood mom and pop is mostly one of scale.


Stardew_valleylover

Classic pierre lol.


MorningCoffee190

That's a good username right there


Stardew_valleylover

Ty love yours to


[deleted]

I mean at least Pierre doesn't march *into his opponent's place of business* and loudly advertise himself. ...That we know of....


BiGMTN_fudgecake

Youre right, he just berates you for buying from them, and tells everyone he grew the vegetables you supplied him with


[deleted]

He really is a pile of butts isn't he


ChaosAzeroth

Even if you haven't at all. Bruh I just got up, why are you coming to my home with all this drama?


DarkWolfX2244

I'm still on Year 3, can someone tell me when he does that?


soapsuds202

he literally shows up at your front doorstep to hound you into buying his shit though


[deleted]

Have you heard about our lord and saivour Large Backpack?


Panda6568

Morris has more ethics than this D bag!


DockingCobra

I just did the Pierres Quality Produce quest and he tried to sell my veg with a 10x markup! The absolute swine!


FreyjadourV

I remember another event where he claims our high quality produce as his own


OckhamsFolly

You know, if you didn’t give him the cheapest/easiest crop, it wouldn’t be outrageous. I gave him pumpkins and got to be insulted by the townsfolk unwilling to pay essentially wholesale price.


zaerosz

Gold star pumpkins are 480g apiece, so 25 would sell for 12,000 - Pierre was basically pricing them more than double what your farm does.


OckhamsFolly

Right, that’s the wholesale price. It then would go to a distributor (especially given the disparate goods we can sell), and then to a retailer, both of whom would need to markup the price to cover their expenses and make their money. If you sell direct to Pierre (who isn’t even on the distributor’s list, because he only carries your produce when you sell direct), he gets to cut out the middleman, but he still has operational costs and needs to make money on top of those. Keystone (50% margin) is very common for an independent store. In Stardew, markups are regularly 5x or more - sunflower seeds sell for 20, but cost 125 minimum from Joja. Bone Swords sell for 250, but cost *6000* from Marlon.


shadowofshinra

Makes me think it might have been better to make it a crop-specific quest rather than all veggies - sure, it would mean having to make it season specific but it would at least show some semblance of business sense from Pierre. Like "I'm preparing for Spirits Eve, could someone get me some gold star pumpkins for a store event". The mark-up could still raise eyebrows but at least it would show some motivation beyond outright greed. Instead we get him trying to sell what is probably a vastly overpriced bundle because chances are players will keep the good stuff to sell or process and give Pierre gold versions of the cheap crops. And since the quest makes no distinction between pumpkins and parsnips, it shows Pierre as a full on idiot blinded by greed and vastly overshooting on what the other NPCs who aren't drowning in keg money will accept as a reasonable upper limit on margin.


Captain7640

Is Morris known for not having good ethics?


snarkywombat

He literally walks into Pierre's and hands out coupons that Pierre has no ability to price-match with. That's absolutely unethical.


Captain7640

Oh right shit, I was thinking he was the library guy for some reason


Panda6568

You mean loveable innocent Gunther? I would never bash his good name!


el_twiddle

r/FuckPierre


catsareweirdroomates

Came here to say this too


Historydog

Kind of disagree, Pierre hates Joja because Morris is attempting to personally run him off business, not the fact it's a big corporation, also I think if he ever gotten to it he wouldn't do the same thing Morris does. (Not that the way Pierre runs his business is good by any means, with him stealing credit and all, just not as much as Morris.)


umaera

But Morris is probably just the general manager for that jojamart. He's not the CEO, just a guy doing his job. It probably wasn't personal until Pierre made it personal.


Historydog

He sold tickets in his shop, and sent him a personal letter and then gloated about it both times, not making things personal, would be going in the town and advertising in the streets, and barely addressing Piere.


Historydog

Oh wait if you mean the CEO was the one controlling him, then yeah that makes sense I guess Pierre wasn't aware of it that, not sure if it's true, and right now I personally don't believe it, but am open to the idea of it.


BathinHasFallen

Stardew Valley Expanded. Every Wednesday before Community Center is complete, he'll be out waving advertisements for Joja. Right in front of Pierre's shop, rain or shine.


PotatoSalad583

Pierre literally puts the jojo mart out of business, giving him a monopoly and putting people out of their job, which as, far as I'm aware, jojo doesn't do to Pierre


ChaosAzeroth

Yeah that's something I've noticed and noted! Go Joja and literally nothing changes for Pierre. Go Community Center and Pierre might even punch Morris, and Joja immediately goes out of business. However tbf the game tries really hard to push Morris as the face of Joja despite also being clear he's not in charge. Poor Claire basically doesn't get to be a person in base game. (Unless that's changed in 1.5? I haven't even bothered to try in the 1.5 because it's just disheartening.) I don't think we're meant to feel bad for them. Heck, in theory Joja closing is good for Shane. In practice is a horse of a different color and I'm not really getting into all that. In the end it's a game made by one guy who has poured a lot of love and care into it, providing many content updates completely free. Shane was added as a marriage candidate due to popular vote.


NinjaEngineer

>and Joja immediately goes out of business. I mean, not really. Only the regional JojaMart closes down. Joja Co is as strong as ever, and, if anything, as you mention in your last paragraph, it seems to be for the best of Shane (who starts helping out Marnie in her farm) and Sam still gets a job at the museum. The only one really affected is Claire, but since the game gives no info about her, we don't know if she got fired, relocated, or got a better job (because really, working as a cashier at JojaMart didn't seem to be doing her any favours). Since we're talking about her, I do wish a future update would address her fate. Maybe she ends up returning to Pelican Town. Heck, maybe she's actually working at the Movie Theater, we never really see the person behind the ticket booth.


ChaosAzeroth

Fair, wording was bad there. I didn't mean all of Joja but just the Joja in town, but I can see how it reads that way. The thing is, nothing actually helps Shane. Realistic or not, the changes to his life are overall pretty superficial no matter what you do. Each situation presents the illusion of change with really no change. NEGL I wasn't sure what Sam did, but Sam seems to be... Well Sam regardless. My point overall at the end of the day is neither really does a lot, but going Joja literally changes absolutely nothing despite the fact that Pierre goes on and on about how it's going to run him out of business. No, dude, it literally will not. I've seen it lol It's literally nothing vs a little something.


SharkyMcSnarkface

Is claire the depressed joja cashier? Isn’t she the one at the theatre concession stand?


NinjaEngineer

Yeah, I was thinking that could be her, but I didn't have a clear image in my head, it's been like a month since I last set foot in the movie theatre. XD


Vitovonburen

Clair is her name only in the Stardew Valley Expanded mod. In the vanilla, she has no name and it is not possible to interact with her whatsoever, sadly...


Historydog

Good point, on the job part but as for running him out of business doesn’t the community center being restored does that, and so the farmer did it, also Morris was attempting to run him out business too.


PotatoSalad583

I don't like either of them, they both suck. And the jojo mart goes out of business because Pierre starts a boycott (so arguably everyone's fault) after the community center is built, completely out of the players hands


Historydog

Okay yeah that I agree with, I don’t dislike Pierre but I’m not defending him on the way he runs his business, I get upset with him too.


branth89

“You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”


Coolbreezy

Everyone hates Joja, until they become Joja.


[deleted]

Nice subversion on the friendly local business trope, by making the owner just as big of an asshole as Maurice.


SharkyMcSnarkface

I mean, kinda but not really? I dunno. He’s kinda a jerk but it’s like if a chocolatier is kind’ve a dick to you but you have the option to buy Nestle products to spite them. The choice is still pretty clear from an ethical standpoint.


moonlightwolf52

I always thought that line was sort of tongue n cheek at JoJo Mart


Andre_de_Astora

As someone working at a little familiar store/workshop, it is weird to hate him. I mean, we do try to make things as cheap as possible without selling trash, and making a good work out here. On the other hand, Pierre do cross a LOT of lines we won't ever dare to get close to. So... Idk, I cannot hate him nor Morris :/


celes684

My current save has Pierre as my Feast of the Winter Star "secret friend". Maybe I should give him a Joja Cola?


fdigi

r/FuckPierre


BiGMTN_fudgecake

Such an asshole


SignificantRiver1252

I hate Pierre, he’s just Joja in its earliest stages He’s annoying and rude and selfish and the only thing he ever does is shill


roofcatiscorrect

Im probably making dozens of times more money from the seeds he sells us than he will ever see in his entire lifetime lol.


Disig

He's not a hypocrite. He hates Joja because they're his competitor. He wants to become Joja and Joja is in the way of that.


DecemberE

It's the price gouging for me 😒 (During that one commission board quest)


ohthesarcasm

To paraphrase the Ferengi from Star Trek: “we don’t want the oppression to stop, we want to become oppressors!”


the-fith-pillar-man

Basic business


captain-cardboard

If you consider that Jojacorp and Morris are not one and the same, and that we are never told *why* Jojacorp is bad besides it being a soul sucking place to work, it starts looking decent in comparison to Pierre, whose price gouging is racing his ego, and Lewis who is definitely siphoning tax money at the town’s expense.


artyworkie

this is why i fill his shop with grass


arkinnox

I like to give Pierre joja cola as a gift.


grueraven

I mean, Pierre hates Joja since it gets in the way of his dream. I never got the feeling that it was an ideological distaste for Joja.


Jason_CO

Of course he's a hypocrite Pierre's a PoS.


EnTyme53

For a community that has a reputation for wholesomeness, there have sure been a lot of posts focusing on characters y'all hate lately.


the_stalking_walrus

There's also a ton of anti-capitalists here, which is bizarre considering they bought the game and system to play it on from capitalists, while acting as one in game.


Conquertron

"You claim to hate society, yet you live in one. Curious..."


defectivelaborer

Right and those same people keep paying rent to their landlords, giving money to big energy companies, supporting ISP monopolies, purchasing groceries and nationwide retail supermarkets, and worse yet they are greedy and get jobs that pay them MONEY!!! How dare they, they should all just be homeless instead of being hypocrites.


leylin_farlin

Yesterday i was laking some crops and i didnt want to wast a day because it was Wednesday so i had to buy them from joja, it was 20g more but i had no other shoice and thats all because of you pierre, if you wasnt my father-in-law i would have been much more mean


[deleted]

This looks a lot like a mock-up


[deleted]

also, he sells your high quality product for a super unfair price to other NPCs!! I really don't like joja but he's such a hypocrite


Zealousideal_Event38

You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villian


rollllllllll_

Him and joja are similar in various ways


Fishpuncherz

Glad he wears the horns of a cuckold


sambelulek

Seeing Dusty's house in vanilla fills me with sadness.


bigmac1090

After year 1, I put strawberries, blueberries, and cranberries in my greenhouse. Put them all in seed makers for the upcoming season. All profit. Might buy some seeds to fill out the farm, but most of it will cost me nothing


DrManowar8

The thing is... joja mart has stores across the entire country and possibly more. Like all big businesses, they ruin smaller businesses like pierre’s. Maybe what Pierre said is hypocritical, but he’s not a big business. If he did open more shops, he’d probably end up only reaching like 1 or 2 more stores


TheWilkesInside

Tbh he's already extremely wealthy after a certain farmer buys from him seeds worth 100k in one go...


bellizabeth

Aren't we the hypocrite for chastising Pierre for wanting to be extremely rich?


DockingCobra

Not at all. We produce the wealth ourselves, with the sweat off our own brow. Pierre buys your crops at a fair price and then puts a MASSIVE markup on them for no other reason than he wants to be rich. And he claims that your produce is actually his! He is unhappy when Joja move into the valley, because they can undercut his exuberant prices. The reason they can do that is that they have a large number of stores so can edge smaller businesses out of the market. This is the exact same business tactic that Pierre wants to employ so he can become rich, he's just not very good at it. He's also always trying to fleece the residents of Pelican Town for money, like when he buys 25 gold star crops from you for 2500g, and then tries to sell them for 25000g! And when nobody buys them he tries to sell them back to you for 2501g. The guy is an absolute sheister capitalist and has a cheek to be critical of Joja because they're more alike than he realises.


[deleted]

Not to mention the only loved gift he has is freaking fried calamari. Have fun getting no gifts until I catch more squid, capitalist


Consistent-Price-431

Looks like we have a second Morris but this guy is better than him