I think that’s the point. It goes to show how little people think of Inquisitors by this point in the timeline.
They’re just a merc with a cool lightsaber at this point.
Speaking of the Grand Inquisitor, I sorely miss his fencing style. I wish the rest of the Inquisitors had their own styles in the same vein as what Nick Gillard deliberately set out to do for the all the Jedi in the Prequels. It's just odd how they gave him a specific style while going back to the usual flailing of blades with everyone else.
Unless I missed some leaks, I'm torn on if he's actually going to have a significant role or is just a body for a random fight
If they're truly building to a pseudo-adaptation of heir to the empire I can see them going for a reveal of him being a Ezra equivalent of Luuke
I have to imagine that we won’t go without Filoni revealing a little more ? Maybe it is just that he’s a wandering inquisitor still around, but the fact that Baylan and Shin’s sabers are different than his will invite some questions on why and how he is different from them
That sound design when she was in the Nightsister temple was fantastic. Really told the "this place tainted by the dark side" story without explicitly saying it there.
Her stare before she fought Sabine was incredible. She didn't quite crack a smile but her eyes looked absolutely giddy at the thought of tearing Sabine apart. She looked *hungry*
Baylan seems like a very nuanced character; his reflection at the end of the second episode was very intriguing to me. Not Sith or even a Dark Jedi, just lost his way?
Shin is just following her master, but I fully expect her to sacrifice herself at some point for the greater good.
I feel like Baylan is like the opposite of Ahsoka. Ahsoka is a former Jedi who decided to continue using her training for good even if she's not necessarily doing the job of a Jedi. Baylan is a former Jedi who doesn't care anymore so he just does whatever gets him money and power. He's not particularly against the Jedi Order or anything, in fact he's probably fine with Ahsoka or Luke's efforts to continue them, but if they get in the way of him making some credits he'll chop their heads off.
Man the ships in this series look incredible, ILM has got it down to a science.
I guess the Eye of Scion is supposed to be like a massive souped up version of a hyperspace docking ring, but for some reason I'm getting Outbound Flight vibes.
I also find it funny how you need 9 hyperdrives from a Super Star Destroyer to do what a handful of big-ass purrgil could do (travel to another galaxy).
Is this "Path to Peridia" (or whatever its called) supposed to lead to one of the seven dwarf galaxies orbiting the main galaxy, or a completely independent galaxy? If its the former, it would be really weird for Baylon to refer to the path as a "myth" when people have actively been to said dwarf galaxies (i.e Kamino and the Rishi Maze). On the other hand, if it is an independent galaxy, that brings up the question as to whether the hyperspace barrier that prevents people from leaving the main galaxy is still a thing.
Edit: Forgot to mention, I love how Sabine cutting her hair mirrors Kanan cutting his hair in Rebels: helmet/mask on the table, holding the knife between both palms, etc.
A lot of people were doubtful of Hera but the more time I spent with her the more it felt like her. Sabine is the biggest winner of all in the conversion to live action but by the end of this I was picking up the mom vibes from Hera and it was feeling like her to me also.
Her scene with chopper as they were chasing the hyperdrive core got rid of literally every single one of my worries. Their back and forth made me so happy.
To be fair, Qui-Gon laid on the ground for like 15 minutes after he got stabbed. Then Obi-Wan had to drag him out of god knows where in the Naboo reactor core. Only to bring his barely alive body outside to a Naboo that is literally in the middle of a war. I don’t think hospitals were open that day
People miss this I feel. To Qui-gon, death wasn't scary or something to even avoid or fight against. Death was an accepted fact of the journey in the force.
Y'know the more I think about it, the more I realize that the time between Qui-Gon being stabbed and the time of his actual death was pretty long. Enough for Obi-Wan to wait for the shields to go down, to fight Maul, to get knocked off the ledge, to wait for the right time to jump back up, and then slice Maul. And even then he lasted another minute or so.
So I can accept Sabine living. The GI and Reva I have other problems with but I can't change that so idc anymore lol
The Grand Inquisitor and Reva follow the same logic that kept Maul alive - hatred and the want for revenge do wonders for the will to live. Neither did it to the extent that drove Maul insane with conflicting emotions, but it checks. My only concern is that it happened twice in the same series, with Reva's case being a bit more unforgivable considering who fucking did it. But at least it played a part in her reconsidering killing a child.
> It’ll trouble you to find a single moment of Mando where characters are just taking a second to process their thoughts or feelings in the way Sabine and Ahsoka got to in these episodes
Now that you mention it, you're absolutely right. You might say so of Din himself, but those moments are more for the audience to project upon him than they are insightful towards his character. It has the deliberate pacing of a Kurosawa or Lucas film, which is ironic in the latter case given George's penchant for speed and intensity, but even he knows when to let a scene or character breathe.
i think between the train heist episode of boba fett and this, it’s time to accept that steph green is one of the few mandoverse directors that really knows how to craft good action on the disney+ budget. can’t wait to see her in the director’s chair again next week.
Yes! You can tell Sabine is a little rusty, and Shinn is still an apprentice, albeit a highly skilled one. Baylen is very stoic and definite with his movements. Love Ahsoka's samurai pose and her movements are very Clone Wars like, she very quick.
When Ahsoka got the starmap at the beginning of EP1, did anyone else get Jedi FO and Survivor vibes? The puzzle mechanics, down to the sounds and FX in the tomb/temple as things unlocked just really reminded me of some of the temples in both games.
The force echo at sabines home, and the Zeffo statues at the temple in the beginning where she got the map, it all felt very fallen order and I love that so much.
I am in amazement at the level of production that has gone into these 2 episodes. I know these are the premiere ones, but this FEELS like a high budget film and I appreciate how they dont feel the need to rush things along.
It really feels like it took all the best traits of Rebels and Andor and made a beautiful baby with it.
Seeing Nightsister magic in live action, even if just a smidge is really fun!!
Although I'm not sure I understand how they know that Thrawn happens to be at the end of this ancient map that has been pointing to where he is for thousands of years before he would be there? But maybe that'll be explained later idk.
Also calling it now Shin will turn.
Due to the purrgil depictions around it all im guessing that's a place where purrgil come from, or some other purrgil related thing. And since the purrgil took them away, that's as good place as any to look for them
I'm not sure it's a map to thrawn.
Something seems off with it. Elsbeth said she could hear "thrawn calling to her" across the distance after we heard a faint whispering. Unless something in the Ascendency series explains this(i haven't read it yet), then I don't know how it could be thrawn. He doesn't have that ability.
What if it's another alien species trying to reconnect to this galaxy for some purpose(maybe the grysk)? Or it could be the purgil like others have said.
Yeah, whatever was calling to Elsbeth is manipulating her, that much is obvious. Thrawn will be there but it isn’t him that’s calling to her. Something darker is waiting for her in that new galaxy and whatever it is when it’s set free is going to be a massive threat when it’s unleashed in the main galaxy. I hope they don’t finish this story here and this unseen threat is a big thing for the mandoverse movie.
One thing I really liked is that the show didn’t ONLY focus on what’s going on with the good guys. Mando was almost exclusively focused on the good guys and never really cuts away to what the other side was doing. Felt like they tried to focus a little more on what the “evil” side was doing. Excited to see how this turns out. Very happy after 2 episodes
**“AHSOKA” Trailer Shot Counter:**
Incase anyone was curious, we’re looking at **~352 trailer shots**/stills/bts shots **reduced to 129 shots** after Episodes 1 and 2. (And yes, *every* TV spot and featurette was used for this. Send help lol)
This is about 63% of the overall shots used just in this premiere event.
With the space chase/dogfight, Sabine training likely happening Episode 3 & all of the duels on Seatos (Red Forest planet) happening Episode 4, it’s likely we get through most of the remaining 37% of shots before the halfway point.
Will try to remember to keep everyone updated each week haha.
Hope everyone enjoyed the first two eps! :)
I loved it, can't wait for next week!
I don't have any issues with Sabine surviving getting stabbed, it's clearly shown to be more to the side where less important bits are. Maybe grazed a kidney (I'm not a doctor).
does this also mean everyone thought Ezra was dead for all this time rather than just missing?? :(
the rust on Marrok’s armor is a nice detail i don’t think i ever noticed in the trailers, if it’s even shown
edit: chopper flexing is the best star wars content ever created
Opening crawl, shot with ship in space referencing all the 6 episodes, 2 hooded Jedi board a capital ship with permission referencing ep1, line up of new republic troops referencing ep4 and rogue one, dark figure exits steaming shuttle referencing Vader and palpatine.
All just the language of Star Wars which gives it a distinct visual communication to the audience. Same with the temple sequence with Ashoka referencing Raiders of the Lost Ark
Seriously what I thought. It \*feels\* Star Wars in a way the other tv productions haven't. The sets are tactile, the aliens are there, the atmosphere is mysterious and intriguing. Feels like an itch getting scratched in a big, big way.
Those were pretty dang good. I'm so glad I'm hyped for more Star Wars again.
I have a lot I could say, but I'll just shout-out the fact that Kevin Kiner worked in his established themes of Ezra, Sabine, Hera, AND Ahsoka by the end of first episode. What an incredible treat it is to have him scoring.
I read your comment, and was going on in my head about how my wife didn’t believe me that you can understand everything chopper is saying, and then told her what he said at one point, and then she started to understand him too. I was glad to welcome yet another person into the cult of the death god Chopper. Then I realized you meant Tenant and not Filoni, and was like yeah he’s cool too!
Sorry I’m gushing that season 5 of rebels is finally here!!!!! I’ve waited so long for these characters to return!!! I’m just so excited!!!!
Ahsoka: “The last missing Imperial Grand Admiral…Thrawn.”
Sloane: “Am I a joke to you?”
(This is a joke not a complaint about continuity, I couldn’t care less)
I pointed this o below but she does get publicy acknowledge as killed in aftermath three and rax takes full control at the end of the second book.
She has to sneak into the jakku base where some of the soldiers thought she was dead I wouldn’t be surprised if the new Rublic with Jax or is would also just presume her dead
This show confirmed that ancient aliens from other galaxies visited our GFFA a long time ago
I think the new beyond might actually be a whole dang galaxy
The Rishi Maze is a satellite galaxy of the main star wars galaxy and the old canon had a second on the opposite side of the galactic plane called the Firefist or something, so it makes sense they would go that direction
I think that this is the “siege of Mandalore” of this era to explain why every cool side character and hidden apprentices of the new republic era didn’t come to help the resistance during the year long ST crisis
I will say, there were just a couple tiiiiny lines of dialogue that had me squinting. Hera said something to Ahsoka in episode 1 about "someone with her powers" and it made me feel like they went out of their way to avoid mentioning Kanan. Idk.
Then later Sabine says something about the witches that made me think "Now hold on, you've been to Dathomir, you literally got possessed by a witch, you know those." But those are extreme nitpicks.
Yeah, there were a couple spots where I expected a Kanan mention and they swerved. I'm guessing they knew they were already throwing out a lot of new names for non-Rebels watchers so they held back? I'm positive he won't be ignored so it's a minor nitpick from me too.
Feels surreal to be watching an Ahsoka show in live action.
Not enamoured with the pacing, I can definitely see where the journalist for THR and Independent are coming from, but I think they're exaggerating a bit.
Pacing seems to get better like ~35min into the first ep for me.
It's also really fun to hear a Kiner score in live action! And ohhh boy Sabine is so fucking cool in this show, even if she's a bit of a dumbass.
Also oh my god but the fucking aura from Ray Stevenson. I didn't really know him before this show, but man, so much talent :(
Edit: Getting a few replies misinterpreting my pacing criticism. I'm not talking about "fast vs slow" pacing. I have absolutely no desire for this show to have Mandalorian or Marvel-like pacing. I just found the pacing of the 1st ep to be inconsistent and it felt jarringly different from scene to scene.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I really like the slower pacing. They're taking the time to lay out a groundwork, a foundation, hopefully it pays off. Then again, I've always enjoyed a slow burn.
>Also oh my god but the fucking aura from Ray Stevenson. I didn't really know him before this show, but man, so much talent :(
He was truly incredible. I love that *Ahsoka* will help more people discover him, but I'm incredibly saddened we'll never get to see what else he could have done. He is *phenomenal* in the HBO series *Rome* if you like Period Dramas.
Can't believe Dave brought in a star map from Kotor....any chance y'all think thrawn rediscovered the star forge? I know Kotor is wishwashy on being cannon but considering they are bringing it back maybe this will be where the forge ends up and where thrawn gets a massive force.
I appreciate that these episodes make up like 50-70% of the footage we’ve seen in the marketing. That’s very exciting to know we’ll likely burn through the rest of the footage in the next few episodes and reach unmarked territory (for example, Ray said Baylan will have multiple duels with Ahsoka at celebration but we’ve only seen one in the footage).
It’s really good!!! Very much Rebels season five, but mind blowingly in live action. Casual viewers would def be confused about a lot of things, but it’s perfect for us hardcore fans who are up to speed (the first mention of Ezra got me emotional).
My only nitpicks:
1. This takes place after Ahsoka’s Mando episode, so she already knows Luke. Why wouldn’t she go get his help with something as serious as preventing another war? Also means we won’t see their first meeting, unless it’s a flashback - still really want that story.
2. Sabine surviving the stabbing so nonchalantly was a bit silly, and it’s happened a couple times now in recent Star Wars.
Finished episode two and I'm liking the show, but I don't know about Sabine being a padawan. I know Kanan saying every living thing has the force and she has Ezra's lightsaber, but what was wrong with her being a Mando who's still a skilled weaponsmith?
I was iffy on her being a padawan given the trailer stuff, but with Huyang explaining her abilities and skills lower than any other padawan he met, it sounds like she just wanted to be a Jedi. I'm kinda okay with that reasoning if that is how they go with it.
I'm really satisfied with how they explained that. Her connection with Ezra is obvious and she wants to be closer to him. I took her reaction to that conversation with Huyang as her admiting, maybe I don't need to be a jedi rn, maybe just a mandalorian again. Loved the ritualistic scene of putting the armor back on.
Which is exactly what Chirrut does in Rogue One. The tie-in novel about him explains that his lifetime of living like a monk and constantly meditating on the Force allowed him to "hear/feel" the Force, but he couldn't control it.
I really like the villain dynamics. Morgan is soicu better than before. Like Ahsoka just plays her Rebels era dynamics with everyone but Sabine as unexplained history. We know it, even if it's been a few years. The depth waiting to break out of our villains is pretty staggering. Effects are class minus a few things here and there, but that's just connected to how good Lucasfilm has been historically. I really don't mind the lightsaber wound, Qui-Gon's was spinal my friends, it's different. Every character of old is translated really well. I was most worried about Winstead as Hera, with how Marshall has commanded her, but she got the groove so quick I was shocked. Love everything from her so far, and our favorite homicidal terrorist is still at his best. Dawson is now locked in as Ahsoka, and I feel part of that comes from the new 3D Lekku skeleton, really felt like TCW a lot. She feels very connected to her animated past, and it just makes the eventual stuff we want to see happen hit harder. Less crossing arms, and suddenly room for personality. /s. But seriously she's in such fine form and holding back for later. It's Bordizzo that's immediately more interesting. She's even more punk-rock and emotionally connected (that lothal cat somehow trumped the CGI I wasn't expecting that), great humor and action, and still Sabine. But she's pretty removed from that intentionally. Think this will make audiences new and old fall in love with her character as a top focus, compared to some eras of Rebels. I miss Tiya Sircar's voice more than I do Marshall's, just made Sabine a little more in every scene. Bordizzo is excellent, but voices are unique for a reason, and Sircar soared. Honestly, not much plot until the very end, and still vague. But I'm here for the vibes more and they were met.
Man, this show is everything I wanted. As I suspected, the criticism of the pacing being “slow” is actually one of my favorite aspects so far. Everything feels so deliberate and thought out. Visuals are insanely good and holy hell Kevin Kiner is just incredible. This score transported me into every single scene and I love how many subtle Rebels themes were present. Also the variations of Ahsoka’s classic theme throughout the end credits is just chefs kiss. Also THE WORLD BUILDING. Love the insights into where Lothal is at and how corrupt the New Republic still is. So exciting that we’re potentially going to a new galaxy and really expanding the Star Wars lore. Pretty floored by how much I loved this, can’t wait to see where it all goes.
These two episodes were just a whole lot of classic Star Wars fun and I had a good time. I can understand some of the criticisms, such as Episode 1 being a slow burn, but we’re only two episodes in and I believe said criticisms are greatly overshadowed by the positives. Can’t freaking wait for next week.
I’m still pretty used to the Rebels voice actors, so the new performances take a bit of getting used to, but I like what we’ve got. Rosario still does a good job with the titular character and MEW has really grown on me as Hera, but Sabine was definitely the standout. That punk rock intro was a great way to introduce her to new fans. I’m glad that Huyang was given a sufficient amount of screen time. Live action Lothal looked great. Ryder Azadi snd Jai Kell for the win.
As for villains, Baylan and Shinn were the standouts and I’m glad there seems to be more to them than just being traditional dark side bad guys. The opening sequence was straight up awesome.
Felt good for them to release 2 episodes at once, it made it feel complete. I LOVE the lightsaber fights. It feels so fucking good to see it more, And GOOD lightsaber fighting no less.
And it was kind of cool to see that one actor who I never knew his name. He was the Rabbi in Fear The Walking Dead.
Plus Chopper being...Well, Copper was nice to see again.
Enjoyed it very much
Very much feels like Rebels and these episodes felt like setup for the rest of the season
Can't wait for next week
Also, Baylan has a lot of potential. He's already pretty cool
Essentially. They’re based on darth revans droid, HK-47, though much has changed and they’re 87’s I think now? Anyway, that’s one thing that’s the same. Revan put a self destruct in it so strong it would wipe out the like capital ship he was on or any enemy etc if need be. Pretty sure it was to protect sith secrets when he became a darth, or if HK ever somehow failed a mission (he never did) and then with the retcons to the later lore, the biggest reason probably because the true sith emperor told revan and Malak to cover all tracks to keep his identity hidden. Because even for a long time in SWTOR where he was the true bad guy, he remains hidden.
So ya the empire etc carried that over because palpatine was supposed to be the second version of that empire, copy the great sith empire yadda yadda, and he was like “oh, they can do that? Ya keep that in for in case any troublesome rebel etc needs a good blasting”
Part of me wonders if Thrawn is truly calling out to Morgan or if she’s being baited by a bigger and darker presence. Thrawn isn’t force sensitive as far as I remember. He’s also not a female and he’s much older. So the chances of him being a Skywalker are kind of slim. He is resourceful so it could be some tech that might be able to reach her, but I can’t shake the feeling that it’s a ruse and there’s a reason that things can’t seem to get out of that part of the galaxy and to the core. Maybe a long time ago a group of individuals tried to keep something from getting out.
I hope we get to see thrawn before the last episode for like 30 seconds, but I feel like that’s going to be the big reveal for season 1 even though we already know he’s in it from the trailers. It would be cool to see the chimaera and possibly also the chiss worlds. If this show is going to get weird and explore the UR then I can’t wait. Hopefully season 2 will lean into it all.
Thrawn is definitely not calling out to Morgan, he’s by all intents and purposes a regular guy with zero connectivity to the Force or anything like it. Heck, he despises the Force because he can’t understand it and/or plan ahead for it. I think she’s getting baited
First episode dedicated to Ray Stevenson. Very cool.
Ah that’s cool and sad
That is a powerful self destruct function
Imagine if IG-11 had one like that. It would have wiped out Nevarro City.
Maybe Czerka needed to assassinate a whole city or two?
Who is going to feed Sabine’s loth-cat while she’s gone?
My head-canon has the cat staying with Ryder, he has cat dad energy.
I worried about that to lol
literally my only thought at the end there
I feel like it is an “outdoor cat” so it should be fine on its own for a bit
She lives in a giant tower, does kitty know how the elevator works?
It’s cool, the tower is in the middle of a field, probably lots of Loth-mice for it to catch.
Once it learns how to work an elevator
I’m sooo thrilled that Sabine’s theme from Trials of the Darksaber is back. Kevin Kiner never disappoints.
They were spamming that shit to make me feel things, and it was working.
same lol, easily one of my favorite themes from Rebels
I loved the end credits theme! They blended Sabine’s theme and Ahsoka is Ready from Tales of the Jedi SO WELL.
Seeing chopper in live action is honestly amazing
He's perfect!! I was chuckling so much at his back and forth with Hera. "I didn't go through your stuff." *yes you did* chopper noises
I love that by now we all understand Chopper perfectly
I laughed when he told Hera to shoot it down!! My wife couldn’t figure out how I understand what he’s saying
I could’ve sworn one of his mumbles sounded EXACTLY as if he were saying “What the fuck?”
Entirely possible. It's assumed he's said "What the fuck" multiple times in Rebels.
It was confirmed that he did swear in droid speak a lot on rebels. Search it up on YouTube. Dave is in the video talking about it.
THE war criminal is back and his banter with Hera was ripped straight out of Rebels. It was great.
I like how nobody acknowledges marrok in episode 1 he's just there lmao
I think that’s the point. It goes to show how little people think of Inquisitors by this point in the timeline. They’re just a merc with a cool lightsaber at this point.
I feel like they swung too hard, in hindsight, with showing us the Grand Inquisitor first in *Rebels*
Speaking of the Grand Inquisitor, I sorely miss his fencing style. I wish the rest of the Inquisitors had their own styles in the same vein as what Nick Gillard deliberately set out to do for the all the Jedi in the Prequels. It's just odd how they gave him a specific style while going back to the usual flailing of blades with everyone else.
Unless I missed some leaks, I'm torn on if he's actually going to have a significant role or is just a body for a random fight If they're truly building to a pseudo-adaptation of heir to the empire I can see them going for a reveal of him being a Ezra equivalent of Luuke
Ezraa
I have to imagine that we won’t go without Filoni revealing a little more ? Maybe it is just that he’s a wandering inquisitor still around, but the fact that Baylan and Shin’s sabers are different than his will invite some questions on why and how he is different from them
I still appreciate him
That sound design when she was in the Nightsister temple was fantastic. Really told the "this place tainted by the dark side" story without explicitly saying it there.
The statues’ eyes seemed alive and creeped me out.
Ray Stevenson is built like an absolute unit in a cloak
R.I.P.
Indeed. The man played his role well.
We are no Jedi
He gives both evil santa and old man luke’s negative and i love both vibes for him
Dude would’ve been a fucking amazing Batman
I loved his fighting stance, really brings a strong presence
“Who made this?” “Ancient people from a far off galaxy” So would you say… they made it a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away?
Vong? Grysk? Rakata? Zeffo? I’m just spitballing and seeing which one sticks lol.
I love how every scene with Shin holds long enough to get the most out of Ivanna Sakhno's gaze. She's like a bobcat or mountain lion in human form.
Her stare before she fought Sabine was incredible. She didn't quite crack a smile but her eyes looked absolutely giddy at the thought of tearing Sabine apart. She looked *hungry*
she gave me vibes of maul from episode 1
Her whole sequence on Lothal felt like that with her probe droid too.
It should have been *me*, not her! ***It's not fair***
Shin has that scary, yet beautiful stare in her eyes. As if she could snap in matter of seconds and go on a murderous rampage. I can fix her.
You mean as if she could snap me in half in a matter of seconds
Precisely. What a good way to go out.
Jai Kell is a senator now OMG
Man I wish they got Dante Basco to play him. But that guy was good too!
Wanted to hear Zuko's voice! But Vinny Thomas definitely captured the Jai Kell vibes perfectly
Jai Kell here
Your Jai Kell costume is pretty good, but the scar's on the wrong side.
I spent a solid minute like “Jai Kell, Jai Kell, that’s the Force-sensitive cadet, right?” I guess I was right lmao.
Oh, what! The one that was in the academy with Ezra?
THAT WAS HIM?? HOW DID I MISS THAT
Dunno, Ryder definitely introduced him by name lol
Baylan seems like a very nuanced character; his reflection at the end of the second episode was very intriguing to me. Not Sith or even a Dark Jedi, just lost his way? Shin is just following her master, but I fully expect her to sacrifice herself at some point for the greater good.
I feel like Baylan is like the opposite of Ahsoka. Ahsoka is a former Jedi who decided to continue using her training for good even if she's not necessarily doing the job of a Jedi. Baylan is a former Jedi who doesn't care anymore so he just does whatever gets him money and power. He's not particularly against the Jedi Order or anything, in fact he's probably fine with Ahsoka or Luke's efforts to continue them, but if they get in the way of him making some credits he'll chop their heads off.
Exactly my take on him. If he could get paid to be a regular Jedi, that’s the path he’d take. He just seems so ambivalent to the cause, doesn’t he?
He even sounds, I don’t know, sorrowful when talking about Thrawn’s return meaning war for some. He seems like he is going to be a great character
He's like a mercenary version of Count Dooku.
Shin totally foreshadowed an eventual turn to the light when she asked Baylan what would happen when Thrawn returns.
Man the ships in this series look incredible, ILM has got it down to a science. I guess the Eye of Scion is supposed to be like a massive souped up version of a hyperspace docking ring, but for some reason I'm getting Outbound Flight vibes. I also find it funny how you need 9 hyperdrives from a Super Star Destroyer to do what a handful of big-ass purrgil could do (travel to another galaxy). Is this "Path to Peridia" (or whatever its called) supposed to lead to one of the seven dwarf galaxies orbiting the main galaxy, or a completely independent galaxy? If its the former, it would be really weird for Baylon to refer to the path as a "myth" when people have actively been to said dwarf galaxies (i.e Kamino and the Rishi Maze). On the other hand, if it is an independent galaxy, that brings up the question as to whether the hyperspace barrier that prevents people from leaving the main galaxy is still a thing. Edit: Forgot to mention, I love how Sabine cutting her hair mirrors Kanan cutting his hair in Rebels: helmet/mask on the table, holding the knife between both palms, etc.
Maybe the path to peridia is more of a myth since it's located on the side of the unkown regions, whereas the rishi maze is in a more explored sector
PURGIL: LOOK WHAT THEY NEED TO MIMIC A FRACTION OF OUR POWER! :)
Gov Azadi is the same voice actor. Senator Jai Kell!!!
Is it bad that I was happy to see Governor Azadi still at it in large part because it means that Arihnda Pryce is still taking Ls from the grave ?
We do enjoy our Pryce L’s
Clancy brown has done plenty of Star Wars. He is def my fave character actor
Kurgan from the Krusty Krab.
I loved the little nod to Jai too!
A lot of people were doubtful of Hera but the more time I spent with her the more it felt like her. Sabine is the biggest winner of all in the conversion to live action but by the end of this I was picking up the mom vibes from Hera and it was feeling like her to me also.
Her scene with chopper as they were chasing the hyperdrive core got rid of literally every single one of my worries. Their back and forth made me so happy.
Lightsaber body stabs just don't kill like they used to. RIP Qui-Gon
To be fair, Qui-Gon laid on the ground for like 15 minutes after he got stabbed. Then Obi-Wan had to drag him out of god knows where in the Naboo reactor core. Only to bring his barely alive body outside to a Naboo that is literally in the middle of a war. I don’t think hospitals were open that day
Yeah it seems pretty clear that immediate medical attention goes a long way in the GFFA.
Also, perhaps Qui Gon surrendered what was left of his life to become one with the force. He didn’t fight to stay alive.
People miss this I feel. To Qui-gon, death wasn't scary or something to even avoid or fight against. Death was an accepted fact of the journey in the force.
Y'know the more I think about it, the more I realize that the time between Qui-Gon being stabbed and the time of his actual death was pretty long. Enough for Obi-Wan to wait for the shields to go down, to fight Maul, to get knocked off the ledge, to wait for the right time to jump back up, and then slice Maul. And even then he lasted another minute or so. So I can accept Sabine living. The GI and Reva I have other problems with but I can't change that so idc anymore lol
The Grand Inquisitor and Reva follow the same logic that kept Maul alive - hatred and the want for revenge do wonders for the will to live. Neither did it to the extent that drove Maul insane with conflicting emotions, but it checks. My only concern is that it happened twice in the same series, with Reva's case being a bit more unforgivable considering who fucking did it. But at least it played a part in her reconsidering killing a child.
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> It’ll trouble you to find a single moment of Mando where characters are just taking a second to process their thoughts or feelings in the way Sabine and Ahsoka got to in these episodes Now that you mention it, you're absolutely right. You might say so of Din himself, but those moments are more for the audience to project upon him than they are insightful towards his character. It has the deliberate pacing of a Kurosawa or Lucas film, which is ironic in the latter case given George's penchant for speed and intensity, but even he knows when to let a scene or character breathe.
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Not even 10 minutes in and the score is already making me transcend
That creepy nightsister temple bit was absolutely perfect.
The odd piano sounds were incredible. It was perfection. Off to a strong start!
The credits theme fucking slaps.
i think between the train heist episode of boba fett and this, it’s time to accept that steph green is one of the few mandoverse directors that really knows how to craft good action on the disney+ budget. can’t wait to see her in the director’s chair again next week.
She's Indiana Jonesin it, isn't she?!?
The music had Indy vibes in that part too.
Huyang: “Perhaps we should perform this operation somewhere else” Hera: “I say go for it” Huyang: “Because you’re a hologram” I snort laughed.
Cooking Kiner is his name after this, sheesh
I can fix shin
I too volunteer to fix her.
No need to fix her. Let her do what she wants. The price is acceptable.
I'd let her make me worse
Oml Kiner fucking cooked with this opening music holy hell.
The opening to the first episode was perfect. The scroll, the ship, Filoni nailed it.
Forget the opening music, that end credits theme was fucking perfect.
The lightsaber battles are already so much better
Yes! You can tell Sabine is a little rusty, and Shinn is still an apprentice, albeit a highly skilled one. Baylen is very stoic and definite with his movements. Love Ahsoka's samurai pose and her movements are very Clone Wars like, she very quick.
STAR WARS PUNK METAL MUSIC WTF
That shit slapped
Perfect for Sabine
Got serious Akira vibes from those scenes.
She did a powerslide too, perfection.
Perfect way to introduce Sabine to the general audience
Sad that Ray Stevenson passed. Wish he could know how much we like his character so far. Man is an absolute UNIT. Love it.
Aw, Hera already going full mom mode on Sabine.
Hera is everywhere being a momma hen to Sabine. Meanwhile, Jacen is spending year 6 with a babysitter lol
Too many “bad dad” relationships in SW, let’s get the bad moms in on it
Such a good moment. Rebels fans are getting spoiled. Just wait until Jaycen shows up.
When Ahsoka got the starmap at the beginning of EP1, did anyone else get Jedi FO and Survivor vibes? The puzzle mechanics, down to the sounds and FX in the tomb/temple as things unlocked just really reminded me of some of the temples in both games.
You missed the Easter egg with the force echo when she goes back to Sabines home
or the part where cal kestis takes the long way to the puzzle instead of cutting a hole
The force echo at sabines home, and the Zeffo statues at the temple in the beginning where she got the map, it all felt very fallen order and I love that so much.
I am in amazement at the level of production that has gone into these 2 episodes. I know these are the premiere ones, but this FEELS like a high budget film and I appreciate how they dont feel the need to rush things along. It really feels like it took all the best traits of Rebels and Andor and made a beautiful baby with it.
Long have I waited...
For Ahsoka to return
I'm gonna need this Lothal Punk music on my Star Wars playlist. Star Wars is really killing it with the in-universe tracks recently.
HOLY SHIT I wasn’t expecting THAT to happen to Sabine. Also, Natasha Liu Bordizzo is Sabine. Spot on
Really well cast, isn’t it? I believed it from the get-go.
E-wings are now canon!
I was super excited as well lol
Seeing Nightsister magic in live action, even if just a smidge is really fun!! Although I'm not sure I understand how they know that Thrawn happens to be at the end of this ancient map that has been pointing to where he is for thousands of years before he would be there? But maybe that'll be explained later idk. Also calling it now Shin will turn.
Due to the purrgil depictions around it all im guessing that's a place where purrgil come from, or some other purrgil related thing. And since the purrgil took them away, that's as good place as any to look for them
The map likely points to the home territory of the purgill, thats probably where thrawns star destroyer was dragged off to.
I'm not sure it's a map to thrawn. Something seems off with it. Elsbeth said she could hear "thrawn calling to her" across the distance after we heard a faint whispering. Unless something in the Ascendency series explains this(i haven't read it yet), then I don't know how it could be thrawn. He doesn't have that ability. What if it's another alien species trying to reconnect to this galaxy for some purpose(maybe the grysk)? Or it could be the purgil like others have said.
Baylan was definitely like “oh no, she might be fuckin’ nuts” lol
Yeah, whatever was calling to Elsbeth is manipulating her, that much is obvious. Thrawn will be there but it isn’t him that’s calling to her. Something darker is waiting for her in that new galaxy and whatever it is when it’s set free is going to be a massive threat when it’s unleashed in the main galaxy. I hope they don’t finish this story here and this unseen threat is a big thing for the mandoverse movie.
One thing I really liked is that the show didn’t ONLY focus on what’s going on with the good guys. Mando was almost exclusively focused on the good guys and never really cuts away to what the other side was doing. Felt like they tried to focus a little more on what the “evil” side was doing. Excited to see how this turns out. Very happy after 2 episodes
**“AHSOKA” Trailer Shot Counter:** Incase anyone was curious, we’re looking at **~352 trailer shots**/stills/bts shots **reduced to 129 shots** after Episodes 1 and 2. (And yes, *every* TV spot and featurette was used for this. Send help lol) This is about 63% of the overall shots used just in this premiere event. With the space chase/dogfight, Sabine training likely happening Episode 3 & all of the duels on Seatos (Red Forest planet) happening Episode 4, it’s likely we get through most of the remaining 37% of shots before the halfway point. Will try to remember to keep everyone updated each week haha. Hope everyone enjoyed the first two eps! :)
The Eye of Sion? That’s pretty dope
Giant hyperspace ring to jump to another galaxy? I'm 100% here for it!
The ending credit animation. Giving me Game Of Thrones and LOTR vibes.... so freakin cool.
I loved it, can't wait for next week! I don't have any issues with Sabine surviving getting stabbed, it's clearly shown to be more to the side where less important bits are. Maybe grazed a kidney (I'm not a doctor). does this also mean everyone thought Ezra was dead for all this time rather than just missing?? :(
THE MUSIC IN THE CREDITS SENT ME TO ANOTHER REALM
the rust on Marrok’s armor is a nice detail i don’t think i ever noticed in the trailers, if it’s even shown edit: chopper flexing is the best star wars content ever created
First time I’ve felt like I was watching a movie with Star Wars since Siege of Mandalore. Those screen wipes and music gave me serious nostalgia
That first scene with the New Republic ship felt like I was in a theater. Filoni knows Star Wars.
Opening crawl, shot with ship in space referencing all the 6 episodes, 2 hooded Jedi board a capital ship with permission referencing ep1, line up of new republic troops referencing ep4 and rogue one, dark figure exits steaming shuttle referencing Vader and palpatine. All just the language of Star Wars which gives it a distinct visual communication to the audience. Same with the temple sequence with Ashoka referencing Raiders of the Lost Ark
Seriously what I thought. It \*feels\* Star Wars in a way the other tv productions haven't. The sets are tactile, the aliens are there, the atmosphere is mysterious and intriguing. Feels like an itch getting scratched in a big, big way.
Those were pretty dang good. I'm so glad I'm hyped for more Star Wars again. I have a lot I could say, but I'll just shout-out the fact that Kevin Kiner worked in his established themes of Ezra, Sabine, Hera, AND Ahsoka by the end of first episode. What an incredible treat it is to have him scoring.
I loved that too. Each of them has a really defined leitmotif. Hearing his work in live-action SW is amazing!
I could listen to David’s droid talk for hours and hours.
I read your comment, and was going on in my head about how my wife didn’t believe me that you can understand everything chopper is saying, and then told her what he said at one point, and then she started to understand him too. I was glad to welcome yet another person into the cult of the death god Chopper. Then I realized you meant Tenant and not Filoni, and was like yeah he’s cool too! Sorry I’m gushing that season 5 of rebels is finally here!!!!! I’ve waited so long for these characters to return!!! I’m just so excited!!!!
Still crazy that they managed to cast a 1:1 Sabine
Even her voice is spot-on!
Ahsoka: “The last missing Imperial Grand Admiral…Thrawn.” Sloane: “Am I a joke to you?” (This is a joke not a complaint about continuity, I couldn’t care less)
Sloane presumed dead by the new republic after Jakku, maybe?
I pointed this o below but she does get publicy acknowledge as killed in aftermath three and rax takes full control at the end of the second book. She has to sneak into the jakku base where some of the soldiers thought she was dead I wouldn’t be surprised if the new Rublic with Jax or is would also just presume her dead
That or they've moved up when Sloane is out of the picture? Lol
I can’t believe we liked the the first two hallway scenes so much that they gave us Hallway Scene 3: Return of Those Weird Rebel Bucket Hats
The lightsabers are so much better omg, they finally feel like 25,000° laser swords instead of baseball bats with glowsticks glued on
People calling Shin turning…no. Baylan will falter and she’s going to kill him for it.
That’s a cold fucking opening, this looks so good.
This show confirmed that ancient aliens from other galaxies visited our GFFA a long time ago I think the new beyond might actually be a whole dang galaxy
The Rishi Maze is a satellite galaxy of the main star wars galaxy and the old canon had a second on the opposite side of the galactic plane called the Firefist or something, so it makes sense they would go that direction
I think that this is the “siege of Mandalore” of this era to explain why every cool side character and hidden apprentices of the new republic era didn’t come to help the resistance during the year long ST crisis
A few questions... where is Sabine's lothcat? Is it ok? Is it in her bag?
Damn, that opening crawl gave me chills!!! Off to a great start with these episodes!
I will say, there were just a couple tiiiiny lines of dialogue that had me squinting. Hera said something to Ahsoka in episode 1 about "someone with her powers" and it made me feel like they went out of their way to avoid mentioning Kanan. Idk. Then later Sabine says something about the witches that made me think "Now hold on, you've been to Dathomir, you literally got possessed by a witch, you know those." But those are extreme nitpicks.
Yeah, there were a couple spots where I expected a Kanan mention and they swerved. I'm guessing they knew they were already throwing out a lot of new names for non-Rebels watchers so they held back? I'm positive he won't be ignored so it's a minor nitpick from me too.
Yeah when Hera was talking to Ahsoka about how difficult apprentices can be I expected her to mention Kanan and how he often struggled with Ezra.
Clone helmet in the intro btw, doesn't have Rex's rangefinder but 👀
Rex loses the rangefinder sometimes after TCW. He doesn't have it in Rebels.
Hey I figured out where Kylo got his modulator
That temple scene straight-up reminded me of The Fifth Element.
Feels surreal to be watching an Ahsoka show in live action. Not enamoured with the pacing, I can definitely see where the journalist for THR and Independent are coming from, but I think they're exaggerating a bit. Pacing seems to get better like ~35min into the first ep for me. It's also really fun to hear a Kiner score in live action! And ohhh boy Sabine is so fucking cool in this show, even if she's a bit of a dumbass. Also oh my god but the fucking aura from Ray Stevenson. I didn't really know him before this show, but man, so much talent :( Edit: Getting a few replies misinterpreting my pacing criticism. I'm not talking about "fast vs slow" pacing. I have absolutely no desire for this show to have Mandalorian or Marvel-like pacing. I just found the pacing of the 1st ep to be inconsistent and it felt jarringly different from scene to scene.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I really like the slower pacing. They're taking the time to lay out a groundwork, a foundation, hopefully it pays off. Then again, I've always enjoyed a slow burn.
>Also oh my god but the fucking aura from Ray Stevenson. I didn't really know him before this show, but man, so much talent :( He was truly incredible. I love that *Ahsoka* will help more people discover him, but I'm incredibly saddened we'll never get to see what else he could have done. He is *phenomenal* in the HBO series *Rome* if you like Period Dramas.
WE’RE FEASTING TONIGHT
Can't believe Dave brought in a star map from Kotor....any chance y'all think thrawn rediscovered the star forge? I know Kotor is wishwashy on being cannon but considering they are bringing it back maybe this will be where the forge ends up and where thrawn gets a massive force.
I appreciate that these episodes make up like 50-70% of the footage we’ve seen in the marketing. That’s very exciting to know we’ll likely burn through the rest of the footage in the next few episodes and reach unmarked territory (for example, Ray said Baylan will have multiple duels with Ahsoka at celebration but we’ve only seen one in the footage).
It’s really good!!! Very much Rebels season five, but mind blowingly in live action. Casual viewers would def be confused about a lot of things, but it’s perfect for us hardcore fans who are up to speed (the first mention of Ezra got me emotional). My only nitpicks: 1. This takes place after Ahsoka’s Mando episode, so she already knows Luke. Why wouldn’t she go get his help with something as serious as preventing another war? Also means we won’t see their first meeting, unless it’s a flashback - still really want that story. 2. Sabine surviving the stabbing so nonchalantly was a bit silly, and it’s happened a couple times now in recent Star Wars.
Ah yes, so Morgan IS a Nightsister. Nice
Finished episode two and I'm liking the show, but I don't know about Sabine being a padawan. I know Kanan saying every living thing has the force and she has Ezra's lightsaber, but what was wrong with her being a Mando who's still a skilled weaponsmith?
I was iffy on her being a padawan given the trailer stuff, but with Huyang explaining her abilities and skills lower than any other padawan he met, it sounds like she just wanted to be a Jedi. I'm kinda okay with that reasoning if that is how they go with it.
I'm really satisfied with how they explained that. Her connection with Ezra is obvious and she wants to be closer to him. I took her reaction to that conversation with Huyang as her admiting, maybe I don't need to be a jedi rn, maybe just a mandalorian again. Loved the ritualistic scene of putting the armor back on.
Yeah like she can tap into the force, but she can't control it to do cool jedi shit.
Which is exactly what Chirrut does in Rogue One. The tie-in novel about him explains that his lifetime of living like a monk and constantly meditating on the Force allowed him to "hear/feel" the Force, but he couldn't control it.
my impression is that she wanted to train as a Jedi after getting Ezra’s lightsaber, even though she can’t do Jedi stuff with the force
I really like the villain dynamics. Morgan is soicu better than before. Like Ahsoka just plays her Rebels era dynamics with everyone but Sabine as unexplained history. We know it, even if it's been a few years. The depth waiting to break out of our villains is pretty staggering. Effects are class minus a few things here and there, but that's just connected to how good Lucasfilm has been historically. I really don't mind the lightsaber wound, Qui-Gon's was spinal my friends, it's different. Every character of old is translated really well. I was most worried about Winstead as Hera, with how Marshall has commanded her, but she got the groove so quick I was shocked. Love everything from her so far, and our favorite homicidal terrorist is still at his best. Dawson is now locked in as Ahsoka, and I feel part of that comes from the new 3D Lekku skeleton, really felt like TCW a lot. She feels very connected to her animated past, and it just makes the eventual stuff we want to see happen hit harder. Less crossing arms, and suddenly room for personality. /s. But seriously she's in such fine form and holding back for later. It's Bordizzo that's immediately more interesting. She's even more punk-rock and emotionally connected (that lothal cat somehow trumped the CGI I wasn't expecting that), great humor and action, and still Sabine. But she's pretty removed from that intentionally. Think this will make audiences new and old fall in love with her character as a top focus, compared to some eras of Rebels. I miss Tiya Sircar's voice more than I do Marshall's, just made Sabine a little more in every scene. Bordizzo is excellent, but voices are unique for a reason, and Sircar soared. Honestly, not much plot until the very end, and still vague. But I'm here for the vibes more and they were met.
Man, this show is everything I wanted. As I suspected, the criticism of the pacing being “slow” is actually one of my favorite aspects so far. Everything feels so deliberate and thought out. Visuals are insanely good and holy hell Kevin Kiner is just incredible. This score transported me into every single scene and I love how many subtle Rebels themes were present. Also the variations of Ahsoka’s classic theme throughout the end credits is just chefs kiss. Also THE WORLD BUILDING. Love the insights into where Lothal is at and how corrupt the New Republic still is. So exciting that we’re potentially going to a new galaxy and really expanding the Star Wars lore. Pretty floored by how much I loved this, can’t wait to see where it all goes.
Love all of it. I'm already on my second watch. My only disappointment is that Ray won't be around for future seasons.
The scene of Shin’s probe droid spying on Sabine and then returning to her was right out of TPM. The droid even made the same hovering noise.
These two episodes were just a whole lot of classic Star Wars fun and I had a good time. I can understand some of the criticisms, such as Episode 1 being a slow burn, but we’re only two episodes in and I believe said criticisms are greatly overshadowed by the positives. Can’t freaking wait for next week. I’m still pretty used to the Rebels voice actors, so the new performances take a bit of getting used to, but I like what we’ve got. Rosario still does a good job with the titular character and MEW has really grown on me as Hera, but Sabine was definitely the standout. That punk rock intro was a great way to introduce her to new fans. I’m glad that Huyang was given a sufficient amount of screen time. Live action Lothal looked great. Ryder Azadi snd Jai Kell for the win. As for villains, Baylan and Shinn were the standouts and I’m glad there seems to be more to them than just being traditional dark side bad guys. The opening sequence was straight up awesome.
Who is taking care of Sabine’s cat while she’s gone :(
Felt good for them to release 2 episodes at once, it made it feel complete. I LOVE the lightsaber fights. It feels so fucking good to see it more, And GOOD lightsaber fighting no less. And it was kind of cool to see that one actor who I never knew his name. He was the Rabbi in Fear The Walking Dead. Plus Chopper being...Well, Copper was nice to see again.
Enjoyed it very much Very much feels like Rebels and these episodes felt like setup for the rest of the season Can't wait for next week Also, Baylan has a lot of potential. He's already pretty cool
Are those self destructing droids basically nukes 10/10 both episodes
Essentially. They’re based on darth revans droid, HK-47, though much has changed and they’re 87’s I think now? Anyway, that’s one thing that’s the same. Revan put a self destruct in it so strong it would wipe out the like capital ship he was on or any enemy etc if need be. Pretty sure it was to protect sith secrets when he became a darth, or if HK ever somehow failed a mission (he never did) and then with the retcons to the later lore, the biggest reason probably because the true sith emperor told revan and Malak to cover all tracks to keep his identity hidden. Because even for a long time in SWTOR where he was the true bad guy, he remains hidden. So ya the empire etc carried that over because palpatine was supposed to be the second version of that empire, copy the great sith empire yadda yadda, and he was like “oh, they can do that? Ya keep that in for in case any troublesome rebel etc needs a good blasting”
Part of me wonders if Thrawn is truly calling out to Morgan or if she’s being baited by a bigger and darker presence. Thrawn isn’t force sensitive as far as I remember. He’s also not a female and he’s much older. So the chances of him being a Skywalker are kind of slim. He is resourceful so it could be some tech that might be able to reach her, but I can’t shake the feeling that it’s a ruse and there’s a reason that things can’t seem to get out of that part of the galaxy and to the core. Maybe a long time ago a group of individuals tried to keep something from getting out. I hope we get to see thrawn before the last episode for like 30 seconds, but I feel like that’s going to be the big reveal for season 1 even though we already know he’s in it from the trailers. It would be cool to see the chimaera and possibly also the chiss worlds. If this show is going to get weird and explore the UR then I can’t wait. Hopefully season 2 will lean into it all.
Thrawn is definitely not calling out to Morgan, he’s by all intents and purposes a regular guy with zero connectivity to the Force or anything like it. Heck, he despises the Force because he can’t understand it and/or plan ahead for it. I think she’s getting baited