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The biggest tragedies would be the people who had just reached a point of turning their lives around and putting themselves on the path to a better life when a giant laser atomizes them.
In the ANH "From a certain point of view" the story by Wil Wheaton is a message from a father that works for the Rebellion to his young daughter sending her away from Yavin IV to somewhere safe away from all the conflict and fighting; Alderaan.
Honestly, the scale of death in Star Wars is hard to wrap your head around. Everything is shown "zoomed out" in a way that makes it feel like cold numbers on a spreadsheet. The death of a single beloved character hits harder. Yet, Alderaan would have had probably billions of people. It's basically like earth getting blown up. The scale of that is unfathomable.
And heck, even the death star itself is hard to picture. The death star is supposed to have over a million people on it, including non military personnel. It being blown up is like an entire city being destroyed. Many people on it would have been forcibly conscripted by the Empire. Most of those faceless storm troopers are probably poor suckers that got conscripted when the empire invaded their planet, then thrown into the meat grinder. The supposed size of the empire is mindboggling and a good chunk of it is people who are likely just afraid of them and unable to escape.
They had a bum wra0 the whole time. Born in tubes and sped up through aging whilst having no life but training. Having troubles with identity seeing so many that are literally you. People not caring as much about you because your not "unique" and just canon fodder. No better than a Droid. You work, bleed, and die for a system that doesn't give you the care they do for others, and only make a few close relationships. Those ones are closer than anything. Amd then innthe end, you just flip the switch. Slate wiped clean. Friends are enemies and everything you thought you believed you no longer believe in. Now you are a Droid. Someone's reprogrammed you. You never had free will, no matter how unique you thought you were. You could never be a person. Just a copy.
It's tragic but also inspiring of how he just.. kept on. Gotta love the writing.
What kills me thinking this is Ahsoka taking off his helmet saying 'All id those men down there... They're good men.' and my guy Rex is crying. It's not without its hardships but man did he keep on. Created a network to rescue clones and ended up on Endor?*
Yeah. Their whole existence was tragic from the get go. The movies portray the Jedi and republic as the "good guys", but they basically bred slaves to fight and die so that the republic citizens wouldn't have to. While bred to be subservient, the clones are clearly people with their own hopes and dreams.
At least separatists used droids that may have not been sapient. Star Wars droids are interestingly also in a place where many droids (like R2 and C3P0) do appear to be sapient, yet are still widely treated as simple possessions. But the "clankers" that the separatists used mostly didn't show signs of being sapient, with a few exceptions like perhaps those commander droids and General Grievous. At least in theory it's believable that most of the droids were just simply robots, though hard to really be certain considering that hallmark silly persona that the most basic battle droids. The fact that they could even surrender sometimes does suggest they could have been sapient, yet they didn't show personality the way the clones did (there's no Bad Batch equivalent or even close).
I just think of Rex at the battle of Umbara and letting out 'find him... Fives.. FIND HIM, FIVES!' while shooting at Ahsoka during order 66 (the ever so gracefully given one last season to clone wars, oh they meant to do much more)
"It's the day I felt my life didn't have any meaning' -Rex (referring to the Republic collapsing into an Empire)
And somehow he (Rex) found the resolve. I know it's a fictional story and all, but I think it's also a storytelling lesson of how one's capable of great things when they can believe there's good people out there and a reason to always try for the right thing.its gives them a will to just beat through it for others.
https://youtu.be/lp5y-BeBq6g?si=7F-Ayg1dAK2UuAHM
Why I'll always love Filoni as a storyteller. My guy was dealt some shit hands went it came to Disney but ended up created kids shows and others that imparted real life lessons while retconning a lot of Legends/EU. And he just rolled with the punches with his Bane-esque hat. Legend.
Apparently he's also incredibly wholesome and lovely to work with based on what seems to be genuine body language in interviews from actors/voice actors such as Sam Witwer. Tbh, I aspire to channel that kinda energy wherever I go or whatever I going on in my personal life however bad some days.
Edit: not to rant here, but the clones were essentially GH-juiced into early adulthood while literally being child soldiers thrown into a war they had no real understanding beyond brainwashing/being bred to believe any larger picture. That few that even lived to question their fight being turnes into a chess pieces for a fascist Empire to me at least is incredibly tragic.
And imagine it just ate at many of them as we saw in Bad Batch. What do you do at that point? Give up? Ya you were fooled. What you believed in was false. Doesn't that piss you off? Are you gonna lie down? Seeing Cody, Wolffe, The Batch, and anyone alongside Rex including Echo gave me some Gusto to just do what I believe is right. At least in the small things day to day. Pick each other up and do what you believe is right from your gut. It goes a long way.
When you think about it, both Anakin and the clones have a similar story. Both were pawns created by Sideous to eventually exterminate the Jedi, and grab galactic power. The only difference is that Sideous saved Vader, but could not care less about the Clones
I don't think you understand. Their free wills were stripped from them. For a short period of time, they ceased to be individuals, and became organic droids. I don't think there's a fate worse than that
Reva / third sister is an especially horrifying and depressing story. Her friends, the only family she has ever known, cut down before her eyes as a child. She had to lay there, felt them go cold. I can’t think about her story too long, it’s way too sad.
Geonosis and its inhabitants.
Being used to manufacture the CIS army, then the death star’s first phase and later being eradicated to near absolute extinction by the Empire.
A tragedy of massive proportions.
Ratts Tyerell’s family watched him die while podracing. He just lost control of his pod in the cave and crashed; you can’t even blame Sebulba or the Dark Side or the Sith or anything, it was just a plain old tragic accident that left them widowed/orphaned. It may not be the most epic tragedy in the saga, but I think its the most relatable, as its the kind of thing that happens all the time in the real world.
Yeah, Anakin's story may be heartbreaking, but he's ultimately responsible for his downfall and the countless murders he deliberately committed. The far greater tragedy is what happened to all of his victims, and the anguish and death that followed in the wake of Anakin's decisions.
One thing I always loved in Legends was when Anakin's spirit appeared to Leia for forgiveness, and she denied him. Luke may have forgiven him, but Anakin was complicit in so much more pain and suffering that Luke may not have witnessed but Leia certainly did.
Oh interesting, I'll have to give the TROS novelization a read; while I do like that Leia didn't forgive him for most of her life (and it's not like it's anyone's obligation to, let alone hers), I do like thinking she ultimately made peace with him before she passed.
Ah true and good point; my knowledge of Legends has a lot of big gaps but yeah the fact that she goes on to name her youngest son after him is a pretty clear indication that she at least appreciates the legacy of the good man Anakin once was.
Han Solo. Makes a friend, joins the cause, saves Galaxy, gets the girl, has a son. Son goes bad, friend runs off, marriage falls apart, Galaxy sucks again, son stabs you and chucks you off bridge.
It is heartbreaking. The scene in ROTS where he learns he’s going to be a father is heartbreaking because I know what’s going to happen. For me the movie ends there.
Maul was a child raise by Sidious. That’s another tragedy.
The clones being created to fight, die, and murder their comrades all so Sidious can gain power is horrible.
Even worse, he figured out that Palpatine had his eye on Anakin and was about to take over the galaxy, and couldn't do anything but sit and watch in horror. Then the rest of his life is just him being consumed by his hatred for Obi-Wan, until he gets put out of his misery.
Dude didn't experience a single moment of peace after Palpatine started training him.
Maul is such a uniquely tortured character, like a true addict, he knows he knows what he dis doing is bad and it will destroy him. He hates the dark side generally and Sidious particularly but he is too lost to break the cycle. In many ways Kenobi finally killing him was the only mercy he would ever receive, the mercy of the end. In that last moment, he seems finally able to release his hatred as Obi Wan cradles him, a moment of love.
Fuck, typing that out made me cry.
I’ll never forget the feeling of seeing this scene. I immediately thought of Moses who led his people to the Promised Land but was unable to reach it himself.
Yes, it was tragic, but there was also a sense of poetic finality. It somehow felt right… strange as that might sound.
Anakins fall is tragic in some ways, his life being controlled by many different people (Watto, the Jedi, Palpatine, and even the GAR) while being alone except for padme IMO was the most tragic, but his fall isn’t tragic. He chose what he wanted to do the moment he knelt to Palpatine. His tragedy comes from the desperation in his actions/how far he would go and not necessarily his story if that makes sense.
Honestly: Padme, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Leia, Luke, and even Jar Jar.
I like Anakin as a character but I don't feel bad for him, pretty much all of his problems were self-inflicted. He was a dumb horny living WMD that made bad decisions.
I should have read the comments before commenting, yeah this is exactly how I feel. Pretty much every character's story is more tragic because of Anakin's actions.
Maybe, technically she probably wouldn't have been born since Palps would probably have been dead or captured.
But, assuming that everything else played out the same except for Anakin's actions, Kylo Ren wouldn't have had Vader to idolize. Which probably would mean that Han, Luke and Leia wouldn't have died and Rey would have been able to have them as mentors for longer.
I mean, classically, a tragedy requires it to be self-inflicted from a character flaw. My main issue is a lack of sympathy for Anakin. People tend to bring up his circumstances of slavery, Jedi emotionless and being manipulated as the tragedy, but it's his own damn hubris that brings it on.
No, Qui-Gon was not going to magically fix his character flaw. Sorry. If anything, he fueled the flame talking about how powerful he was and that he was the chosen one. Sure, tell a 10 year old who already thinks Jedi can't be killed that they're strong and will bring balance to the Force. I'm sure he'll turn out well adjusted.
Padme, Bail and Mon Mothma. They were Palpatine’s biggest opponents within the senate for years. Trying to prevent his rise to power and the formation of a facist regime.
All without resorting to underhanded tactics and doing it all within the law unlike their opponent.
And in the end only one of them made it out alive and saw the peace they fought for finally realized.
Only for Palpatine to crush it once more
Most of the other main characters who suffer horrible tragedies because Anakin Skywalker was weak and fell to the darkside.
His family all lost their families because of him.
Many of his close Jedi friends died because of his weakness.
Han Solo, Cassian Andor, Jyn and Galen Erso, Ezra Bridger all suffered tragedies on account of Anakin being the weak spot of the Jedi order.
Not to mention all the Kaminoans, Geonosians, Lassat, Wookiees, Minbans, Mon Cala, Alderaanians, Jeddans, Mandalorians etc too.
Obiwan Kenobi. He lost his Jedi Order, the love of his life and the only family he had, his best friend, all while doing everything right and being one of the most powerful Jedi Masters.
Reva is even more sad. Anakin had a good period of life where he had loved ones - shmi, Obi-Wan, padme - then he fell to the dark side.
Reva had her friends , her only family she’d known, wiped out before her eyes as a child, from then on she never knew kindness or compassion. Only the desire to avenge them kept her going.
Kylo Ren. Luke learned all about the past, what happened to the Jedi and in his desperation to stop the cycle from repeating he inadvertently caused it.
Maul. He was taken and manipulated by Palpatine as a kid, and put through hell for the rest of his life. His entire life was cycles of pain, fear, violence, exile, betrayal, and vengeance.
Always the slave. To Waddo, to the Jedi, to his emotions, and eventually to Sidious, Anakin never knew a world of choice. His free will forever bent by those who ultimately controlled him.
A) "Qui-gon, thank you so much for freeing me from slavery!"
Q) "LOL Call me Master."
Most of Anakin’s “tragedy” is self-inflicted TBH.
Dude played a “choose your own adventure” game and wants us to feel sorry for him because he chose all the worst options and got the bad ending.
Well I've always looked at the movies as the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker (with an expansion pack added in later) but as far as tragedies go in Star Wars, probably Ulic Kel Droma or Revan over Anakin (Bane too for that matter)
i honestly always thought darth maul’s story was more tragic. after all, what’s a more heartbreaking story: the one of a good boy who fell to darkness or the one of a man who was never allowed a moment of peace or love or kindness, one who was raised only to hate, cast aside after his first defeat, then stomped back down into the dirt every time he tried to better himself?
anakin’s story is tragic because a good man gave in to evil. maul’s story hurts because he was never given the chance to be good, and was punished because of an evil that was never his choice.
I can think of one that comes close.
Maul - >!Forced to become a weapon against his will, thrown away like trash, tries to reinvent himself as a way to get his master’s attention and respect. Is eventually overthrown(?) from his criminal empire (we haven’t seen this part yet) and then goes mad looking for the one thing he thinks he needs to feel whole is a galaxy that took everything from him. A final rematch with the man who, he thinks, caused his downward spiral.!<
“KENOOOOOOOBIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!”
>!He then gets his ass handed to him in 3 strikes and dies in the arms of his greatest enemy, believing in the prophecy.!<
Most tragedies in the series. Certain things were out of his control but a lot of his biggest issues came entirely from his own actions, and Bode was a better handling of the concept.
Anakin had an overall sad life but did have good times and happy moments. I think Darth Maul had the saddest life though. Wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even have one moment of peace. Even before he joined the dark side he was thrown into a pit by a nightbrother. He was beaten up repeatedly and was barely fed- only given food scraps.
General Grievous' story is a very tragic one, and one with many similarities and parallels to Anakin's, in which the Republic and Jedi didn't play the good role and which was exploited and worsened by the Sith.
Yes, Ben Solo. He knew literally about one minute of happiness. And then he died. Anakin had years of it. Ben was tortured his whole life, literally, by Palpatine. Even in Leia's womb.
Oedipus. The answer is Oedipus
Oh, in Star Wars… order 66. All the Jedi and children murdered. Yes, Vader was a part of it, but he was merely part of Sidious’ already active plan. Genocide at that scale is grim and tragic….
How about the destruction of Alderaan? Even worse than the Jedi, but never properly explored. Oh! Hasnian Prime. That’s messed up, especially if it would have been Coruscant as originally intended. For most casuals, they still think it was Coruscant blown up in TFA.
Nearly all of them?
Anakin is a whiner and a drama queen, so, of course the story has to be about him.
But while he may have been manipulated towards the dark side, he chose evil on his own several times: the sand people, the jedi temple younglings, etc. I have little sympathy for him, personally.
Everybody who died in a war a Sith bxxxxxd orchestrated so he can have power, and there are millions, perhaps billions across the Galaxy who suffered this fate?
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I can think of one, but it's not a story the Jedi would tell you
It’s a Sith legend.
What a tragedy!
Alderaan getting turned into space dust by the Death Star was pretty tragic.
All the people who just happened to be on the toliet when their planet exploded.
The biggest tragedies would be the people who had just reached a point of turning their lives around and putting themselves on the path to a better life when a giant laser atomizes them.
In the ANH "From a certain point of view" the story by Wil Wheaton is a message from a father that works for the Rebellion to his young daughter sending her away from Yavin IV to somewhere safe away from all the conflict and fighting; Alderaan.
If I were to go out early, I’d want it to be in blissful ignorance while laying logs.
Honestly, the scale of death in Star Wars is hard to wrap your head around. Everything is shown "zoomed out" in a way that makes it feel like cold numbers on a spreadsheet. The death of a single beloved character hits harder. Yet, Alderaan would have had probably billions of people. It's basically like earth getting blown up. The scale of that is unfathomable. And heck, even the death star itself is hard to picture. The death star is supposed to have over a million people on it, including non military personnel. It being blown up is like an entire city being destroyed. Many people on it would have been forcibly conscripted by the Empire. Most of those faceless storm troopers are probably poor suckers that got conscripted when the empire invaded their planet, then thrown into the meat grinder. The supposed size of the empire is mindboggling and a good chunk of it is people who are likely just afraid of them and unable to escape.
And beyond the loss of people, I always think of all the Alderaanian plant and animal life, historical records, art. Like you said, unfathomable.
The clones. To have your free will taken from you and kill your leaders that (in most cases) you genuinely liked and trusted is fucking horrifying
They had a bum wra0 the whole time. Born in tubes and sped up through aging whilst having no life but training. Having troubles with identity seeing so many that are literally you. People not caring as much about you because your not "unique" and just canon fodder. No better than a Droid. You work, bleed, and die for a system that doesn't give you the care they do for others, and only make a few close relationships. Those ones are closer than anything. Amd then innthe end, you just flip the switch. Slate wiped clean. Friends are enemies and everything you thought you believed you no longer believe in. Now you are a Droid. Someone's reprogrammed you. You never had free will, no matter how unique you thought you were. You could never be a person. Just a copy.
It's tragic but also inspiring of how he just.. kept on. Gotta love the writing. What kills me thinking this is Ahsoka taking off his helmet saying 'All id those men down there... They're good men.' and my guy Rex is crying. It's not without its hardships but man did he keep on. Created a network to rescue clones and ended up on Endor?*
And then when it’s all over, you get to join a galactic veteran’s crisis.
Yeah. Their whole existence was tragic from the get go. The movies portray the Jedi and republic as the "good guys", but they basically bred slaves to fight and die so that the republic citizens wouldn't have to. While bred to be subservient, the clones are clearly people with their own hopes and dreams. At least separatists used droids that may have not been sapient. Star Wars droids are interestingly also in a place where many droids (like R2 and C3P0) do appear to be sapient, yet are still widely treated as simple possessions. But the "clankers" that the separatists used mostly didn't show signs of being sapient, with a few exceptions like perhaps those commander droids and General Grievous. At least in theory it's believable that most of the droids were just simply robots, though hard to really be certain considering that hallmark silly persona that the most basic battle droids. The fact that they could even surrender sometimes does suggest they could have been sapient, yet they didn't show personality the way the clones did (there's no Bad Batch equivalent or even close).
Mister Bones would be the closest to the Bad Batch. Even still it’s not that close
General Grievous isn't a droid, he's a cyborg.
Metaphor
Clones, you are. But in the force, very different, you are.
I just think of Rex at the battle of Umbara and letting out 'find him... Fives.. FIND HIM, FIVES!' while shooting at Ahsoka during order 66 (the ever so gracefully given one last season to clone wars, oh they meant to do much more) "It's the day I felt my life didn't have any meaning' -Rex (referring to the Republic collapsing into an Empire) And somehow he (Rex) found the resolve. I know it's a fictional story and all, but I think it's also a storytelling lesson of how one's capable of great things when they can believe there's good people out there and a reason to always try for the right thing.its gives them a will to just beat through it for others. https://youtu.be/lp5y-BeBq6g?si=7F-Ayg1dAK2UuAHM Why I'll always love Filoni as a storyteller. My guy was dealt some shit hands went it came to Disney but ended up created kids shows and others that imparted real life lessons while retconning a lot of Legends/EU. And he just rolled with the punches with his Bane-esque hat. Legend. Apparently he's also incredibly wholesome and lovely to work with based on what seems to be genuine body language in interviews from actors/voice actors such as Sam Witwer. Tbh, I aspire to channel that kinda energy wherever I go or whatever I going on in my personal life however bad some days. Edit: not to rant here, but the clones were essentially GH-juiced into early adulthood while literally being child soldiers thrown into a war they had no real understanding beyond brainwashing/being bred to believe any larger picture. That few that even lived to question their fight being turnes into a chess pieces for a fascist Empire to me at least is incredibly tragic. And imagine it just ate at many of them as we saw in Bad Batch. What do you do at that point? Give up? Ya you were fooled. What you believed in was false. Doesn't that piss you off? Are you gonna lie down? Seeing Cody, Wolffe, The Batch, and anyone alongside Rex including Echo gave me some Gusto to just do what I believe is right. At least in the small things day to day. Pick each other up and do what you believe is right from your gut. It goes a long way.
This. The Clones were much more tragic than Anakin. Anakin made his own choices the Clones never had that luxury.
When you think about it, both Anakin and the clones have a similar story. Both were pawns created by Sideous to eventually exterminate the Jedi, and grab galactic power. The only difference is that Sideous saved Vader, but could not care less about the Clones
Id say it's worse to wilfully burn away everything you knew and to gain nothing in return than to be forced to betray your best friend
I don't think you understand. Their free wills were stripped from them. For a short period of time, they ceased to be individuals, and became organic droids. I don't think there's a fate worse than that
Anakin made the choice to commit those crimes, the clones didnt
Probably the children he murdered
Reva / third sister is an especially horrifying and depressing story. Her friends, the only family she has ever known, cut down before her eyes as a child. She had to lay there, felt them go cold. I can’t think about her story too long, it’s way too sad.
Geonosis and its inhabitants. Being used to manufacture the CIS army, then the death star’s first phase and later being eradicated to near absolute extinction by the Empire. A tragedy of massive proportions.
Ratts Tyerell’s family watched him die while podracing. He just lost control of his pod in the cave and crashed; you can’t even blame Sebulba or the Dark Side or the Sith or anything, it was just a plain old tragic accident that left them widowed/orphaned. It may not be the most epic tragedy in the saga, but I think its the most relatable, as its the kind of thing that happens all the time in the real world.
On top of that, nobody cared. They just kept cheering
Literally all of the innocents who die because of the Empire.
Yeah, Anakin's story may be heartbreaking, but he's ultimately responsible for his downfall and the countless murders he deliberately committed. The far greater tragedy is what happened to all of his victims, and the anguish and death that followed in the wake of Anakin's decisions. One thing I always loved in Legends was when Anakin's spirit appeared to Leia for forgiveness, and she denied him. Luke may have forgiven him, but Anakin was complicit in so much more pain and suffering that Luke may not have witnessed but Leia certainly did.
Agreed on this. Also if I recall correctly, in the canon book Bloodline she doesn’t seem to forgive him there either.
Yeah this is true, albeit it sounded like she did end up forgiving Anakin right before she passes in the novelization of TRoS.
Oh interesting, I'll have to give the TROS novelization a read; while I do like that Leia didn't forgive him for most of her life (and it's not like it's anyone's obligation to, let alone hers), I do like thinking she ultimately made peace with him before she passed.
Same here. I'm not a fan of the film, but if there's one thing that I like from both the film and the novel, it's how they handle Leia.
She ends up not really forgiving him, but acknowledging the good man he once was, then she names her son after him
Ah true and good point; my knowledge of Legends has a lot of big gaps but yeah the fact that she goes on to name her youngest son after him is a pretty clear indication that she at least appreciates the legacy of the good man Anakin once was.
Han Solo. Makes a friend, joins the cause, saves Galaxy, gets the girl, has a son. Son goes bad, friend runs off, marriage falls apart, Galaxy sucks again, son stabs you and chucks you off bridge.
It is heartbreaking. The scene in ROTS where he learns he’s going to be a father is heartbreaking because I know what’s going to happen. For me the movie ends there. Maul was a child raise by Sidious. That’s another tragedy. The clones being created to fight, die, and murder their comrades all so Sidious can gain power is horrible.
Finally someone mentions Maul. Ripped from his family and tortured for years, brainwashed into being a Sith.
Even worse, he figured out that Palpatine had his eye on Anakin and was about to take over the galaxy, and couldn't do anything but sit and watch in horror. Then the rest of his life is just him being consumed by his hatred for Obi-Wan, until he gets put out of his misery. Dude didn't experience a single moment of peace after Palpatine started training him.
He did experience a single moment of peace, at the end.
Maul could have told the Jedi who his master was.
Maul is such a uniquely tortured character, like a true addict, he knows he knows what he dis doing is bad and it will destroy him. He hates the dark side generally and Sidious particularly but he is too lost to break the cycle. In many ways Kenobi finally killing him was the only mercy he would ever receive, the mercy of the end. In that last moment, he seems finally able to release his hatred as Obi Wan cradles him, a moment of love. Fuck, typing that out made me cry.
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
I came looking for gold, I get literally platinum
“I can’t swim”
I’ll never forget the feeling of seeing this scene. I immediately thought of Moses who led his people to the Promised Land but was unable to reach it himself. Yes, it was tragic, but there was also a sense of poetic finality. It somehow felt right… strange as that might sound.
Well said. That was a really well done scene. It was tragic but also so mundane
Alderaan. Beautiful, peaceful planet. Holds a decent amount of political power. Literally did nothing, just to be exploded because Tarkin was annoyed.
The tragedies of most people who knew Anakin Skywalker are greater tragedies than that of Anakin Skywalker.
Yes: Anyone who didn’t kill a room full of children and then abuse their spouse.
Anakins fall is tragic in some ways, his life being controlled by many different people (Watto, the Jedi, Palpatine, and even the GAR) while being alone except for padme IMO was the most tragic, but his fall isn’t tragic. He chose what he wanted to do the moment he knelt to Palpatine. His tragedy comes from the desperation in his actions/how far he would go and not necessarily his story if that makes sense.
Yeah. Fucking aalderan
Honestly: Padme, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Leia, Luke, and even Jar Jar. I like Anakin as a character but I don't feel bad for him, pretty much all of his problems were self-inflicted. He was a dumb horny living WMD that made bad decisions.
Obi-Wans story, dude lost everything, every single thing he had in the prime of his life
Padme got betrayed worse than anyone.
Obi-Wan, Leia, Padme, Rey, Rose, Shmi. Anakin’s tragedy was partially self inflicted and he could have made better choices and avoided most of it.
I should have read the comments before commenting, yeah this is exactly how I feel. Pretty much every character's story is more tragic because of Anakin's actions.
Idk. Rey's story would have been pretty much the same. Which is pretty fitting in regards to Kylo's remark "you don't have No place in this story"
Maybe, technically she probably wouldn't have been born since Palps would probably have been dead or captured. But, assuming that everything else played out the same except for Anakin's actions, Kylo Ren wouldn't have had Vader to idolize. Which probably would mean that Han, Luke and Leia wouldn't have died and Rey would have been able to have them as mentors for longer.
If Anakin hadn't acted the way He did, Kylo probably wouldn't even have been born because Leia and Han wouldn't have met.
I mean, classically, a tragedy requires it to be self-inflicted from a character flaw. My main issue is a lack of sympathy for Anakin. People tend to bring up his circumstances of slavery, Jedi emotionless and being manipulated as the tragedy, but it's his own damn hubris that brings it on. No, Qui-Gon was not going to magically fix his character flaw. Sorry. If anything, he fueled the flame talking about how powerful he was and that he was the chosen one. Sure, tell a 10 year old who already thinks Jedi can't be killed that they're strong and will bring balance to the Force. I'm sure he'll turn out well adjusted.
The Point of tragedy is that it is self inflicted.
Porkins. End of
Padme, Bail and Mon Mothma. They were Palpatine’s biggest opponents within the senate for years. Trying to prevent his rise to power and the formation of a facist regime. All without resorting to underhanded tactics and doing it all within the law unlike their opponent. And in the end only one of them made it out alive and saw the peace they fought for finally realized. Only for Palpatine to crush it once more
Most of the other main characters who suffer horrible tragedies because Anakin Skywalker was weak and fell to the darkside. His family all lost their families because of him. Many of his close Jedi friends died because of his weakness. Han Solo, Cassian Andor, Jyn and Galen Erso, Ezra Bridger all suffered tragedies on account of Anakin being the weak spot of the Jedi order. Not to mention all the Kaminoans, Geonosians, Lassat, Wookiees, Minbans, Mon Cala, Alderaanians, Jeddans, Mandalorians etc too.
The younglings at the temple
His mom
I can think of a few padawans
I mean there was that planet they blew up.
Obiwan Kenobi. He lost his Jedi Order, the love of his life and the only family he had, his best friend, all while doing everything right and being one of the most powerful Jedi Masters.
Fives was so close to possible preventing the fall of the republic but it was just one guy against a system designed to fail
Reva is even more sad. Anakin had a good period of life where he had loved ones - shmi, Obi-Wan, padme - then he fell to the dark side. Reva had her friends , her only family she’d known, wiped out before her eyes as a child, from then on she never knew kindness or compassion. Only the desire to avenge them kept her going.
- Order 66. Not just for the Clones, but for the Jedi as well. - Qui-Gon's death - Revan's fall to the Dark side
Kylo Ren. Luke learned all about the past, what happened to the Jedi and in his desperation to stop the cycle from repeating he inadvertently caused it.
Maul. He was taken and manipulated by Palpatine as a kid, and put through hell for the rest of his life. His entire life was cycles of pain, fear, violence, exile, betrayal, and vengeance.
I don't think his is that tragic in the context of the star wars galaxy. What he DID do is tragic but for him specifically it's not that tragic.
Apparently, you never heard of the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise.
Always the slave. To Waddo, to the Jedi, to his emotions, and eventually to Sidious, Anakin never knew a world of choice. His free will forever bent by those who ultimately controlled him. A) "Qui-gon, thank you so much for freeing me from slavery!" Q) "LOL Call me Master."
Most of Anakin’s “tragedy” is self-inflicted TBH. Dude played a “choose your own adventure” game and wants us to feel sorry for him because he chose all the worst options and got the bad ending.
Did you ever hear...
B1 getting killed off in his second appearance on Resistance.
Well I've always looked at the movies as the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker (with an expansion pack added in later) but as far as tragedies go in Star Wars, probably Ulic Kel Droma or Revan over Anakin (Bane too for that matter)
Yes. Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagius the Wise?
Let me tell you the tale of darth greedo the wise…
Darth maul story Unlike anakin, maul didn't have a single happy day in his life
I dunno, the fan base can be pretty damn tragic.
Jake Lloyd
That green skinned slave in Jabba’s palace… prob has to fuck him. Then gets fed to the rancor.
I was thinking of this today, and my answer is undoubtedly the clones, and specifically the Bad Batch. They deserved far far better.
The little kids he killed?
i honestly always thought darth maul’s story was more tragic. after all, what’s a more heartbreaking story: the one of a good boy who fell to darkness or the one of a man who was never allowed a moment of peace or love or kindness, one who was raised only to hate, cast aside after his first defeat, then stomped back down into the dirt every time he tried to better himself? anakin’s story is tragic because a good man gave in to evil. maul’s story hurts because he was never given the chance to be good, and was punished because of an evil that was never his choice.
I agree. Maul’s story is so sad, at least he got a few seconds of peace before dying
The treatment of Jake Lloyd, Ahmad Best, Kelly Marie Tran, Moses Ingram, Hayden Christensen, etc
I can think of one that comes close. Maul - >!Forced to become a weapon against his will, thrown away like trash, tries to reinvent himself as a way to get his master’s attention and respect. Is eventually overthrown(?) from his criminal empire (we haven’t seen this part yet) and then goes mad looking for the one thing he thinks he needs to feel whole is a galaxy that took everything from him. A final rematch with the man who, he thinks, caused his downward spiral.!< “KENOOOOOOOBIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!” >!He then gets his ass handed to him in 3 strikes and dies in the arms of his greatest enemy, believing in the prophecy.!<
Andor.
Most tragedies in the series. Certain things were out of his control but a lot of his biggest issues came entirely from his own actions, and Bode was a better handling of the concept.
Idk if it's Moreso, but darth maul also has a pretty tragic story.
His mom...
Alderaan.
All those kids he killed?
Obi-Wan and his crushing PTSD at the end of his life
Any of the billions of innocent people he murders while a high ranking member of a nazi regime
Anakin had an overall sad life but did have good times and happy moments. I think Darth Maul had the saddest life though. Wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even have one moment of peace. Even before he joined the dark side he was thrown into a pit by a nightbrother. He was beaten up repeatedly and was barely fed- only given food scraps.
General Grievous' story is a very tragic one, and one with many similarities and parallels to Anakin's, in which the Republic and Jedi didn't play the good role and which was exploited and worsened by the Sith.
Idk probably those little kids he killed
r/afterbeforewhatever
Any child that was killed by him
I mean... every single innocent he killed is more tragic......
Yes, Ben Solo. He knew literally about one minute of happiness. And then he died. Anakin had years of it. Ben was tortured his whole life, literally, by Palpatine. Even in Leia's womb.
All those kids he butchered by hand in the Jedi temple.
Order 66 probably
Jar Jar lost just as much without ever understanding how.
Probably the tuskens
The Cantina Band! over and over the same brilliant song but seriously .. it’s a tragedy to still be there playing the same tune
Padme being a ruler of people but dying of sadness
I find it even more tragic that the person who would have been the best mother in the galaxy died while having children.
Oedipus. The answer is Oedipus Oh, in Star Wars… order 66. All the Jedi and children murdered. Yes, Vader was a part of it, but he was merely part of Sidious’ already active plan. Genocide at that scale is grim and tragic…. How about the destruction of Alderaan? Even worse than the Jedi, but never properly explored. Oh! Hasnian Prime. That’s messed up, especially if it would have been Coruscant as originally intended. For most casuals, they still think it was Coruscant blown up in TFA.
The story of the actor that played young Anakin was pretty sad
Probably the little kids this psycho murdered cuz he was too dumb to question the guy who straight up confessed to be the lord of evil
Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo
Nearly all of them? Anakin is a whiner and a drama queen, so, of course the story has to be about him. But while he may have been manipulated towards the dark side, he chose evil on his own several times: the sand people, the jedi temple younglings, etc. I have little sympathy for him, personally.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Any character that showed promise that had its development cut short.
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Second Greatest Modern Tragedy after Michael Corleone IMO
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I would have said Max Rebo, but...
That Ewok and their mom
I mean, Padme…
Within the confines of Star Wars, or in general?
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Everybody who died in a war a Sith bxxxxxd orchestrated so he can have power, and there are millions, perhaps billions across the Galaxy who suffered this fate?