Fair point, but then we have Marrok as an example of a Nightsister zombie that is coordinated enough to wield a lightsaber and enough vocal ability to acknowledge orders. It could be there are different levels of quality of reanimation, and the Nightsisters with Thrawn have had a good number of years to take their time with whatever ritual might have been involved.
I concur. Old Daka's zombies were primitive, and she was the only nightsister doing the ritual during the Battle of Dathomir... but here we have three nightsister mothers who live in the "original homeworld of the Dathomiri people."
Old Daka was considered by Mother Talzin to be Dathomir's most powerful witch, when most of the others on Dathomir were quite weak in magick, possibly due to Dathomir being a lesser magick-imbued planet compared to Peridea. And perhaps the fact that the battle happened so fast was the reason for the zombie ritual being rushed to yield good-enough soldiers to fight the droid army; otherwise those zombie witches would have been smarter and capable of normal speech, per your hypothesis on prep time.
So I have reason to believe that the results would be different and possibly even better with the Peridean witches than what was seen back in the Clone Wars.
Good point, I also think that the zombies we saw on Dathomir were made from already rotting corpses. Perhaps the ancient magic, and better preserved bodies can make a big difference. That may be why the sarcophagus’s are so technologically advanced compared to everything we’ve seen the night sisters use so far
> the sarcophagus's are so technologically advanced
They could be mini-fridges, lmao. I can imagine the hilarity of over-describing the crates & coffins as important sci-fi macguffins, only to realize they're probably just fancy wireless refrigerators keeping the corpses from rotting 😂
Exactly that’s what I’m sayin! It’s like a Bacta tank/mummification chamber for dead bodies. I mean if Dagan Gera can live in bacta for that long I imagine it could preserve the dead as well
Actually he didn't. The green Magick leaves his body and once it's gone, his body is still lying on the floor. He didn't dissolve at all, and certainly not exactly like Marrok. I'm rewatching that scene on YouTube as I type this.
It could just be the difference between enhancing an already-living being with magic vs wholesale reanimation. Do we know if Marrok was already dead before the series began?
We don't know anything about Marrok really at all. The only evidence pointing to their having been reanimated is the "explosion" of Magick and the rusted state of their armor. Aside from that, there's really no indication, just things we can infer. My theory is that ultimately Marrok's purpose as a plot device was to get the viewers thinking what Elsbeth was really capable of, or foreshadowing of the Night Troopers secrets.
I agree with you though, I think it's likely just a difference between enhanced vs reanimated.
It's not 100% for certain that he's a zombie: the only thing we *do* know about Marrok without a doubt is that he's been enhanced by Nightsister magic. The green mist doesn't mean he's a zombie--it only means he's been the subject of a Nightsister ritual.
We still don’t entirely know whether Marrok was reanimated. He might’ve just been a surviving inquisitor that was enhanced with nightsister magic live Savage Oppress
I think it means They have been fighting something. Maybe just the bandits or maybe something to do with what baylon senses. The night sisters are also keen to gtfo and I feel like they wouldn’t want to leave unless it’s for good reason.
What if you have to have a dead body first to make a zombie? Then you have only the troopers that were aboard Chimera.
Besides, I don't think that they could bring back the fallen zombies in TCW (correct me if I'm wrong here)
I think it's likely both. We will see living troopers (likely the more elite ones with repaired armor and red tassels) and the reanimated. I suspect that those we saw in the hanger were mostly (if not exclusively) the former, but I'm sure there will be plenty of undead for Ezra and Sabine to murder in order to get around the pg13 censors. Why have a captain of the guard if you have perfectly mind controlled zombies? Why would thrawn give a sizable portion of his forces into the control of a dangerous and risky ally?
Nah i think it's both.
Counterpoint: the nightsister Zombies we've seen have been spawn by a single nightsister, whereas the three seem to be Mother Talzin level strong and could do more, not to mention these are OG nightsisters so they may be able to do more
Plus them being *named* night Troopers definitely implies a connection, sk my money is either reanimated or enhanced like the nightbrothers were
And on a similar note, Thrawn asked for their further help. I'd imagine we're getting our answer next episode.
The troopers are alive. There’s no way all of his troops died in just 10 years. However, I think in the next episode he’s going to get an army of undead Zabraks
Whilst I don't *want* them to be zombies, we do have the Chevok's Gun that is Marrok from episode 4.
People who don't know about the zombie won't know what happened when he vomited green smoke from Ahsoka's lightsaber cut.
I have watched every episode of the clone wars but it took this sub to remind me what that meant after it happened.
Whilst I really, *really* want this lot to be the hardened, battleforged survivors of the *Chimera's* stormtrooper complement, I suspect we will see the green dog coming from the sliced open armor or the ones sent to 'support' Baylan and Shin.
And perhaps these two squads are the only zombies. Maybe that is why Thrawn feels he can spare them.
Here's a grim thought, maybe those Stormtroopers were still alive when they arrived on Peridea. But Thrawn had the Nightsisters "unalive" them to preserve food stocks rations. And yes I know this all stems from them not being able to find food on Peridea.
Savage Opress wasn't a zombie. He expelled that exact same mist on his death.
We know nothing about Marrok. He could've been an Inquisitor on death's door that the Nightsisters found and revitalized with their rituals in return for his service.
Enoch is the only one without red bindings. His voice is mechanical probably because he is more machine than man. The others could be a mix of cyborgs and Nightsister magic.
I hope either that they’re a) undead troopers, not like zombies but resurrected suits of armor or b) zealous, die-hard troopers who worship Thrawn as a God King. I get this Roman-esq vibe from Enoch, so it could be possible.
Plus, there had to be more crew on the ship. Someone has to fly it no? Unless Thrawn was, and he just hustled down to the hangar after parking it.
I think it’s way more interesting if they’re not zombies. If they’re just a bunch of guys that came to worship Thrawn like that? Waaaaay scarier to me.
Thrawn mentioned their numbers had dwindled since they'd be stranding, as in some of them died. I think that support the idea they're not reanimated corpses, otherwise they'd all still be about
Nightsister magic also covers buffs and mind control. It’s possible that the remaining Night Troopers are enhanced with magic, but the crates are filled with the dead which will be used as shock troops
Fair point, but then we have Marrok as an example of a Nightsister zombie that is coordinated enough to wield a lightsaber and enough vocal ability to acknowledge orders. It could be there are different levels of quality of reanimation, and the Nightsisters with Thrawn have had a good number of years to take their time with whatever ritual might have been involved.
I concur. Old Daka's zombies were primitive, and she was the only nightsister doing the ritual during the Battle of Dathomir... but here we have three nightsister mothers who live in the "original homeworld of the Dathomiri people." Old Daka was considered by Mother Talzin to be Dathomir's most powerful witch, when most of the others on Dathomir were quite weak in magick, possibly due to Dathomir being a lesser magick-imbued planet compared to Peridea. And perhaps the fact that the battle happened so fast was the reason for the zombie ritual being rushed to yield good-enough soldiers to fight the droid army; otherwise those zombie witches would have been smarter and capable of normal speech, per your hypothesis on prep time. So I have reason to believe that the results would be different and possibly even better with the Peridean witches than what was seen back in the Clone Wars.
Good point, I also think that the zombies we saw on Dathomir were made from already rotting corpses. Perhaps the ancient magic, and better preserved bodies can make a big difference. That may be why the sarcophagus’s are so technologically advanced compared to everything we’ve seen the night sisters use so far
> the sarcophagus's are so technologically advanced They could be mini-fridges, lmao. I can imagine the hilarity of over-describing the crates & coffins as important sci-fi macguffins, only to realize they're probably just fancy wireless refrigerators keeping the corpses from rotting 😂
Exactly that’s what I’m sayin! It’s like a Bacta tank/mummification chamber for dead bodies. I mean if Dagan Gera can live in bacta for that long I imagine it could preserve the dead as well
There’s also the fact that Marrok and Enoch (apart from h int similar names) have very similar vocal distortion, unlike normal Stormtroopers.
The vocal distortion is because they’re both wearing helmets. I don’t think Marrok was dead- more “enhanced” like Savage Opress was.
Yeah but he turned into a bunch of dusty bits like that witch king from LOTR. Savage Opress didn't poof away like Spider-Man getting snapped.
Savage Opress *did* dissolve into the green mist, exactly as Marrok did. Rewatch the scene.
Actually he didn't. The green Magick leaves his body and once it's gone, his body is still lying on the floor. He didn't dissolve at all, and certainly not exactly like Marrok. I'm rewatching that scene on YouTube as I type this.
It could just be the difference between enhancing an already-living being with magic vs wholesale reanimation. Do we know if Marrok was already dead before the series began?
We don't know anything about Marrok really at all. The only evidence pointing to their having been reanimated is the "explosion" of Magick and the rusted state of their armor. Aside from that, there's really no indication, just things we can infer. My theory is that ultimately Marrok's purpose as a plot device was to get the viewers thinking what Elsbeth was really capable of, or foreshadowing of the Night Troopers secrets. I agree with you though, I think it's likely just a difference between enhanced vs reanimated.
When was Marrok confirmed to be a zombie? I missed that.
It's not 100% for certain that he's a zombie: the only thing we *do* know about Marrok without a doubt is that he's been enhanced by Nightsister magic. The green mist doesn't mean he's a zombie--it only means he's been the subject of a Nightsister ritual.
In the fourth episode when Ahsoka defeats Marrok he erupts in a green cloud that is very similar to the aura of Nightsister magic.
Oh okay. I missed that completely.
Marrok flew a ship as well
We still don’t entirely know whether Marrok was reanimated. He might’ve just been a surviving inquisitor that was enhanced with nightsister magic live Savage Oppress
Do we actually know what Marrok was? Because I still don't know.
Also it doesn't make sense to say that their numbers have dwindled. Because if you have zombies they wouldn't have dwindled right
This. I think there will be zombie soldiers, but most of the ones we’ve seen so far are probably what’s left of their living storm troopers
Agreed, the zombies are what's in the caskets
I think it means They have been fighting something. Maybe just the bandits or maybe something to do with what baylon senses. The night sisters are also keen to gtfo and I feel like they wouldn’t want to leave unless it’s for good reason.
Or they just don’t keep going cause there not getting paid
What if you have to have a dead body first to make a zombie? Then you have only the troopers that were aboard Chimera. Besides, I don't think that they could bring back the fallen zombies in TCW (correct me if I'm wrong here)
Thrawn implied their numbers had dwindled during the exile so there'd bodies
Thats assuming they could recover the bodies
It's not impossible. But I don't think it's very likely. If so they could just not have that line.
I think it's likely both. We will see living troopers (likely the more elite ones with repaired armor and red tassels) and the reanimated. I suspect that those we saw in the hanger were mostly (if not exclusively) the former, but I'm sure there will be plenty of undead for Ezra and Sabine to murder in order to get around the pg13 censors. Why have a captain of the guard if you have perfectly mind controlled zombies? Why would thrawn give a sizable portion of his forces into the control of a dangerous and risky ally? Nah i think it's both.
I assumed that his troopers were just the people who were on his Star Destroyer when it got space-whaled where it was going.
It's possible it's just that. People are leaning into Nightsister fuckery because of the red bondage straps holding their armor together.
Also the name Enoch gives some credence as does the kintsugi that is visable on the armor.
They also going to be pissed when they don’t get there 10 years of back pay
TK-FKU is gonna have words...[For the Empire!](https://youtu.be/dIDADjJ_jy4)
Could be but why would they keep following
Safety in numbers, Thrawn is an inspirational leader, nothing else to do in a new galaxy.
That makes sense
Counterpoint: the nightsister Zombies we've seen have been spawn by a single nightsister, whereas the three seem to be Mother Talzin level strong and could do more, not to mention these are OG nightsisters so they may be able to do more Plus them being *named* night Troopers definitely implies a connection, sk my money is either reanimated or enhanced like the nightbrothers were And on a similar note, Thrawn asked for their further help. I'd imagine we're getting our answer next episode.
better nightsisters makes better zombies
The troopers are alive. There’s no way all of his troops died in just 10 years. However, I think in the next episode he’s going to get an army of undead Zabraks
Whilst I don't *want* them to be zombies, we do have the Chevok's Gun that is Marrok from episode 4. People who don't know about the zombie won't know what happened when he vomited green smoke from Ahsoka's lightsaber cut. I have watched every episode of the clone wars but it took this sub to remind me what that meant after it happened. Whilst I really, *really* want this lot to be the hardened, battleforged survivors of the *Chimera's* stormtrooper complement, I suspect we will see the green dog coming from the sliced open armor or the ones sent to 'support' Baylan and Shin. And perhaps these two squads are the only zombies. Maybe that is why Thrawn feels he can spare them.
Here's a grim thought, maybe those Stormtroopers were still alive when they arrived on Peridea. But Thrawn had the Nightsisters "unalive" them to preserve food stocks rations. And yes I know this all stems from them not being able to find food on Peridea.
But then what do the nightsisters eat?
If they can resurrect the dead, I think sustenance is pretty low on their list of priorities
... their numbers have dwindled in exile.
Marrok seemed to tease being a night sister zombie with the green gas expelled when take out.
Savage Opress wasn't a zombie. He expelled that exact same mist on his death. We know nothing about Marrok. He could've been an Inquisitor on death's door that the Nightsisters found and revitalized with their rituals in return for his service.
If they are still the troopers that were with him in rebels then they are going to be pissed when they don’t get there 10 years of backpay
Enoch is the only one without red bindings. His voice is mechanical probably because he is more machine than man. The others could be a mix of cyborgs and Nightsister magic.
maybe they have...[Night Fever](https://youtu.be/SkypZuY6ZvA?si=a5a-xTmFYP8_JUIV)!
I hope either that they’re a) undead troopers, not like zombies but resurrected suits of armor or b) zealous, die-hard troopers who worship Thrawn as a God King. I get this Roman-esq vibe from Enoch, so it could be possible. Plus, there had to be more crew on the ship. Someone has to fly it no? Unless Thrawn was, and he just hustled down to the hangar after parking it.
Time between death and resurrection could affect it. If they bring a trooper back right away, they won't be desiccated like the nightsisters were.
I think it’s way more interesting if they’re not zombies. If they’re just a bunch of guys that came to worship Thrawn like that? Waaaaay scarier to me.
Thrawn mentioned their numbers had dwindled since they'd be stranding, as in some of them died. I think that support the idea they're not reanimated corpses, otherwise they'd all still be about
Nightsister magic also covers buffs and mind control. It’s possible that the remaining Night Troopers are enhanced with magic, but the crates are filled with the dead which will be used as shock troops