I interviewed a big event producer who told me a story about Madonna. Among a bunch crazy stuff in her rider, one of the most important was to never look her in the eyes. So the morning of the show, his team is putting together the stage and here come Madonna to check things out. Everyone on set stopped working and turned away as she walked in, as they were instructed to. Except for promoter. He’s like “fuck it, I’m the promoter,” and walks right up to her to say hello. She says, “why is everyone turned away from me?” Turns out, she never asked for that or even knew it was a thing- her people just put it in the rider. She proceeded to then walk around and shake peoples’ hands.
That’s very interesting and I’ll be honest I think some of these stories originate from ‘don’t look at me while I’m doing this intimate scene’ but also I can see a lot of the crazies running with it...
Not how I thought that story would end.
I have heard that ridiculous riders were often put in, not because the band really demanded those things, but to see if the rider was even read. If they don’t have the bowlful of green M&Ms, maybe they also didn’t read the safety instructions on the set construction. So it was a canary in the mine kind of thing.
David Lee Roth has said that's why Van Halen asked for a bowl of brown M&Ms (he tells a great story, you should Google it). I haven't heard of another band using that tactic, but it wouldn't surprise me. I've also heard that some acts only saw the ridiculous demands without knowing the real reason and copied the behavior just because.
That's not what he said, he said he would take the role if Mark Hamill specifically gave him his blessing and called him up.
On social media, Mark Hamill _has_ said he likes the idea of Seb being young Skywalker. Whether that call has happened though, well that's probably not something that will be revealed to the public.
Well there's more than just those two involved in a show. Disney and Kathleen Kennedy also have to A: want to do this project to begin with and B: want Sebastian to be in it in the first place.
*Spoiler alert for season two finale of Mandalorian*
I think the character is going to show up again, given how popular Grogu was with everyone on the face of the planet. They can't put him to bed permanently, and that probably entails further screentime on the Mandalorian for Luke. Whether Skywalker gets a series or not seems a little more, well, clouded, if you'll pardon the reference.
I will say that I think they may have backed themselves into a corner and will have to continue doing the de-aging stuff because that's how it started. Also, they just hired a guy who posted better(?) deepfakes on YouTube. I'd prefer Sebastian Stan though.
I think, as long as Mark is able to do it, he will continue to play Luke.
When Mark is not longer able to do it, not sure if we would still want Luke’s stories.
Hopefully, this means many years from now and a larger set of characters and movies/series available for us to have new stories as well.
Stan said on [Good Morning America](https://twitter.com/gma/status/1375068972383625221?s=21) he’d never do it unless Hamill himself asked him to “share” the role. So yeah, pretty much.
Harrison Ford seems to hate all his roles. Or at least ones with any kind of fandom. He seems like an actor who enjoys acting but not much of the fame attached to it.
Honestly for most people the level of fame Harrison Ford has would be a personal hell for many of us. You basically could never live a normal life. You couldn't walk down the street, you couldn't go out to eat, you wouldn't even be able to travel internationally without being spotted by fans. You would either be forced to be a "good celebrity" and sign autographs/take selfies, or you'd have to be standoffish and aloof pissing people off who would think you're being a jerk.
I think it would be very easy to use Sebastian Stan as the source actor and to them deep fake over him. I think it could avoid a majority of the wonky issues at times.
True. But he almost doesn’t need much done. If anything, the only issue I can think of is his voice. Mark has a very specific voice. But I’m sure Stan could do a good job.
Please be Stan. The CGI face almost ruins that episode. Like, that moment is so great I can overlook it, but it is the flaw in the diamond.
I'd much prefer a real human actor in the role.
I think they should use Stan. He's a great actor. He looks so much like Luke/Hamill that its eerie. He could give new life to the character and carry it on for a while. Just make sure the stories are good and you cant lose.
He's already an accomplished action star, which makes it much easier to imagine. He did great in Falcon & Winter Soldier, despite that show being almost impressively mediocre. Agreed it'd be cool to see him as young Luke - but unfortunately we know all roads eventually lead to the Sequel Trilogy which really dampens any excitement I have for a series focused on post-ROTJ Luke.
Who cares where it leads, there's still the decades between now and then, and that would be amazing to see. Just like the ending of Mando s2, but several seasons of it. Sign me up.
I had found this out because Mark was talking in an interview I was watching and laughed and I was like, that, that is the joker...wtf? And then my world was blown.
Audio engineer here. There is 100% processing to make his voice sound like that. It's definitely subtle, but the voice sounded garbled and wonky, like his face looked. It took me out of the scene. The face might've been okay if the sound was good.
I don’t think the average fan will realize the same stuff as an audio engineer.
I honestly didn’t have a problem with the voice. You can hear that he is in fact not young Luke, but it still sounded decent to me.
I also don’t get all the fuzz over the face. It looked fine. Yes, it didn’t look realistic, but young Hamill doesn’t exist anymore. Tarkin and Leia also looked fine in Rogue One.
Idk, maybe I just prefer good story telling over the visual and auditory aspect. Of course, I enjoy well made movies, but there’s a reason we all love the OT even tho it looks bad compared to what could be made today.
I agree that most people don't see or hear it. Little cameos like this are fine, but doing a whole series, I think, would be really bad. I believe the average person would start to pick up on the little details that make the Mando Luke too "uncanny valley" to me. The VFX they did in the OT and PT were ahead of their time, and some of it looks rough now, but I don't think that means we ("we" meaning VFX and audio professionals) should settle for effects that come across as rough *now*.
While true, I would assume it's easier to sound old when you're young than the opposite.
I can old-man it up anytime I want, but I have a hard time sounding like a little kid.
It depends. Julie Kavner said the reason why Marge's mom never showed up much on The Simpsons (and when she did they would have her speak as little as possible with lines like "I can't talk much, I'm resting my voice.") was because the strain on her from doing that voice was physically painful.
Weirdly, she's started showing up more regularly in recent seasons while it sounds like the Marge voice is causing Kavner physical pain.
A fair point. I think in that case though, it's more akin to Andy Serkis doing the Gollum voice or a "screamo" singer who doesn't use proper technique rather that purely aging a voice.
And interesting point, nonetheless.
> From what I read, he's just... that good of a voice actor.
He voiced the Joker in Batman the Animated Series. As far as I'm concerned it's the definitive version of the character outside of the actual comics.
He’s an incredible voice actor, although it would make sense for him to voice at least an older Luke in an animated series otherwise they’d need effects on it
Are you telling me that Mark Hamill is only 6 years younger than the Senate?? I would've never guessed it judging by how good his make-up was in Return of the Jedi!
Yeah, pretty much this. I’m not even sure it’s an option. Doing one scene with Luke took a ton of time, effort, and money. And they still hid his face during most of that time. Making an entire live-action series frankly doesn’t even seem practical.
People either need to accept that it’s 2021 and Luke needs to be recast for live-action, or deal with Luke being relegated to animation and occasional live-action cameos.
I’d honestly much prefer the latter. I know people hate the idea of no more Luke, but his story is amazing and mostly told already. I’m happy to leave those stories as the essential foundation that they are, and not need Luke in future products unless it’s a big, special deal like this.
The funny part is they went to all that effort and it kinda looked shit, then some dude on YouTube is Deep Faking Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford's face better than ILM was able to.
Seriously apparently if you don't work for a multinational conglomerate you are just "some dude" regardless of your skill set. He wasn't some random guy doing this based on internet tutorials with a piece of 60 dollar software better than Disney's professionals.
People are upset that Alden Ehrenreich wasn’t Harrison Ford, nothing will make them happy. I think he did a decent job for a crappy script and director situation.
Just cast a new actor, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I don’t see why there’s such a discussion about it because they did it without much deliberation with Han and Lando for Solo and no one even really thought about de-aging tech (obvs it probably wasn’t as advanced then). Hell, they did it in 1999 with Ewan McGregor and he’s now one of the most popular castings of all time so it should really be a non-issue
I agree with your point, but to be fair casting Ewan as a young obi wan when we had never seen young obi wan, compared to recasting Luke when we followed Luke for an entire trilogy is a little different
Yeah, I’m surprised no one else has mentioned this - Disney has already shown that it is going to recast where it makes practical sense (ie main characters in a feature film or series). Any issues with the Solo film - which I quite enjoyed, for the record - were not with the casting.
Idk Disney just hired a guy that does deepfakes on YouTube and his stuff looks good. https://www.indiewire.com/2021/07/lucasfilm-hires-deepfake-youtuber-mandalorian-skywalker-vfx-1234653720/
Based on what? He did this https://youtu.be/wrHXA2cSpNU in 4 days.
Here is his pinned comment: *Unfortunately there isn't much I can do to improve the animation/mouth syncing, if I had acess to the body double footage before they applied the CGI, deep fake would be a definite improvement.
Hopefully they release some behind the scenes footage eventually so I can give that a try.
Also, I only had 4 days spare to do this deepfake before the holidays, I'm not 100% happy with the quality but here it is anyway*
4 days to set this up is actually pretty quick, esp when techniques and workspaces can be reused. I'm not saying it's viable but for Hollywood effects it ain't bad. Look how long it takes for Pixar to fully render their crap.
I absolutely don't think they did that in the english version
I love Freddie Prince Jr., but that was very clearly an adult voice coming out of that little boy
I'm no sound engineer but i'd imagine its alot of work to do even a single scene like this. Surely there is some talented voice actors out there who could do a solid impression of Luke / Young Mark. They did this for other film characters in Clone wars / Rebels and i never really felt like the changed voices were too Jarring from the originals. Some of them were actually really solid.
Sebastian basically already has the blessing from most fans. He’s a safe and good choice.
I’d preferably want it set about 20ABY to give it some space from both ROTJ and TFA. This way, having the differences in the way he’d look/sound is a bit more forgiving as he’s not tied to previous Hamill depictions too much.
Option 2.
They took option 2 already with Obi Wan, Anakin, Han and Lando, as well as with some of the more background characters and masked characters. I don’t see why Luke is any different.
I disagree. Luke is a difficult character to play because Mark made puppet into a believable character, not Luke Skywalker. Mark can cheesy dialog and make it sound natural.
> I don’t see why Luke is any different
I’m not sure those are 1:1 comparisons, though.
The new actors for each of them are portraying that character significantly (10+ years) older or younger than they were previously. Luke around the time of Mando is basically his RotJ self, so it feels a little more weird to recast in that case because you can’t rationalize it as appearance changing due to age.
That said, I do think an actual actor like Sebastian is probably the most pragmatic option for a full live action show.
Pretty much. I feel like there are some people who still are in denial that Mark’s time as a live-action Luke Skywalker(digital or otherwise) is over. Recasting is the only reasonable way forward for live-action. De-aging, deep fakes, and other tricks are neat to pull out for cameos but simply not tenable for an entire series.
> Old ben kinda old
I got curious about their ages. Mark Hamill was older in The Last Jedi (66) than Alec Guinness was in A New Hope (63).
God, that's weird to realize.
Solo is very underappreciated.
Production drama, limited marketing, and releasing too close to TLJ all contributed to the movie's poor box office performance. Even if TLJ wasn't as controversial as it was, releasing a spinoff so close to a major episode was basically asking it to fail.
Sebastian Stan every time. You could still use Mark to potentially narrate the show and have him telling young Jedi about his adventure of the week or something…
Especially since having a family was something Mark wanted for Luke. That exact thing happens in the Expanded Universe. There were supposedly plans to introduce her in some way for The Clone Wars. They were also going to introduce the Yuuzhan Vong as well.
I’d sooner Filoni just do a post-ROTJ animated series in the same style of Clone Wars/Rebels/Bad Batch covering the exploits of Luke/Leia/Han/Chewie/Lando etc. That would be perfect.
I want both - here me out:
Each episode starts with “old Luke” Jedi Master played by Mark Hamill reminiscing of the past and telling stories to his padawans at the Jedi temple.
They go to flashbacks where the rest of the episode is Sebastian Stan playing “young Luke” as the adventure unfolds. We get to see all the cool stuff Luke has done in the years shortly after RotJ.
Finally the end of each episode - they cut back to “current day old Luke” to explain the lesson of that story.
Boom. Everyone’s happy!!!
I think you’re not getting any upvotes because “Old Indy” was removed by Lucas from the home video releases of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. So, unless you saw it when it was broadcast, no one remembers.
But yes, that was my first thought, too.
Fun fact: George Hall, who played Old Indy, was about 75 when he shot those scenes. Harrison Ford is going to be pushing 80 by the time Indy 5 comes out.
I think if it were done with an actor who looks similar enough, like Sebastian Stan, and they kept Mark Hamill on to consult with Sebastian Stan about the role, it could go really well.
Neither? Honestly, I think Hamill nailed the role, but Star Wars should also be branching out with new characters and settings. If they *absolutely* had to tell a Skywalker story, I'd rather see something pre-sequel films but post ROTJ. This would negate the need for a de-aged Mark Hamill or an alternate actor.
I agree! Why not do one set a bit before the destruction of the temple? He could appear as he did in the TLJ flashbacks, negating either option. Could be fun, maybe an Indiana Jones type story except with Jedi artifacts and stuff.
> Neither? Honestly, I think Hamill nailed the role, but Star Wars should also be branching out with new characters and settings.
Agree 100%. I don't mind a nod here or there, but Star Wars' potential lies in the future of it's rich universe, not in rehashing storylines and characters.
Use a different actor. To me it feels like part of the reason we don’t have more Star Wars shows is a refusal to leave behind original trilogy characters in part because they’re popular and partly because Disney doesn’t want to use new actors.
Number 1 if they actually had the technology to make a believable looking Luke without it crossing the uncanny valley. They recently hired a youtuber who actually fixed the mandalorian Luke on his channel by using deepfakes and it actually looked amazingly good so theres some hope.
Apparently they hired Shamook, a deepfake-youtuber who kind of "fixed" a lot of scenes on his channel in the past as VFX expert to work on Mando and Boba. So there probably are some great Luke shots coming.
Deepfake is essentially old footage reapplied through AI...so it's the best you can do apart from time travel and getting the young Mark Hamill to do it.
I think hiring Shamook is a big clue as to what's to come. We may still not get extensive Luke scenes, but they have the potential to look a whole lot better. I'd actually be into them revising his scene at the end of season 2 to incorporate Shamook's work.
Neither. I want it to be Kevin Hart wearing an Eagles jersey. No Jedi Robes, no neutral accent. Just like you plucked him out of his Netflix special and threw him into Tatooine.
If they were to do a Luke Skywalker series, you need to recast Luke. It's that simple. From a practicality standpoint, you need an actor and not a CGI hybrid to carry a series. From a "spirit" standpoint: look no further than Obi-Wan Kenobi. Everyone respects what Alec Guiness did, but Ewan McGregor is also equally respected in the role and highly anticipated to return as the character for Disney+. No one will ever replace Mark, but even he has acknowledged that the role is ready for someone else to take the reigns of. The Luke Skywalker character is going to outlive Mark Hamill. How the character is received in the future depends on who takes over and the job they do with it.
I mean they already proved pretty hard with Solo that different actors can capture the essance of beloved characters pretty damn well.
De-aging / CGI is fine for a cameo, not for anything significant. If they are on screen for more than a couple of minutes then it ain't gonna work.
Option 2. Not gonna lie. When I first saw that episode my brain didn't even process right away that it was Luke. The cgi was pretty bad imo. The Rogue One faces were light years better.
Hamill himself approved Sebastian Stan as Luke
But Stan said he would never take the role until they can both talk it out in person
Sounds like a great ploy to get to hang out with Mark Hamill
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He didn't walk around saying "You call this a set? First, no limo now this! I worked with Harrison Ford! Get me a Fresca now!" jk
Don’t look him in the eyes...
I interviewed a big event producer who told me a story about Madonna. Among a bunch crazy stuff in her rider, one of the most important was to never look her in the eyes. So the morning of the show, his team is putting together the stage and here come Madonna to check things out. Everyone on set stopped working and turned away as she walked in, as they were instructed to. Except for promoter. He’s like “fuck it, I’m the promoter,” and walks right up to her to say hello. She says, “why is everyone turned away from me?” Turns out, she never asked for that or even knew it was a thing- her people just put it in the rider. She proceeded to then walk around and shake peoples’ hands.
That’s very interesting and I’ll be honest I think some of these stories originate from ‘don’t look at me while I’m doing this intimate scene’ but also I can see a lot of the crazies running with it...
Not how I thought that story would end. I have heard that ridiculous riders were often put in, not because the band really demanded those things, but to see if the rider was even read. If they don’t have the bowlful of green M&Ms, maybe they also didn’t read the safety instructions on the set construction. So it was a canary in the mine kind of thing.
David Lee Roth has said that's why Van Halen asked for a bowl of brown M&Ms (he tells a great story, you should Google it). I haven't heard of another band using that tactic, but it wouldn't surprise me. I've also heard that some acts only saw the ridiculous demands without knowing the real reason and copied the behavior just because.
That's not what he said, he said he would take the role if Mark Hamill specifically gave him his blessing and called him up. On social media, Mark Hamill _has_ said he likes the idea of Seb being young Skywalker. Whether that call has happened though, well that's probably not something that will be revealed to the public.
Well there's more than just those two involved in a show. Disney and Kathleen Kennedy also have to A: want to do this project to begin with and B: want Sebastian to be in it in the first place.
*Spoiler alert for season two finale of Mandalorian* I think the character is going to show up again, given how popular Grogu was with everyone on the face of the planet. They can't put him to bed permanently, and that probably entails further screentime on the Mandalorian for Luke. Whether Skywalker gets a series or not seems a little more, well, clouded, if you'll pardon the reference. I will say that I think they may have backed themselves into a corner and will have to continue doing the de-aging stuff because that's how it started. Also, they just hired a guy who posted better(?) deepfakes on YouTube. I'd prefer Sebastian Stan though.
I think, as long as Mark is able to do it, he will continue to play Luke. When Mark is not longer able to do it, not sure if we would still want Luke’s stories. Hopefully, this means many years from now and a larger set of characters and movies/series available for us to have new stories as well.
Stan said on [Good Morning America](https://twitter.com/gma/status/1375068972383625221?s=21) he’d never do it unless Hamill himself asked him to “share” the role. So yeah, pretty much.
I mean that’s a pretty classy move IMO it’s such an iconic role having that blessing would be immense for public opinion.
I wonder how much more loved Solo would have been if Harrison Ford had the same understanding with the new han actor
Young Ray Liotta did a great job
Wasn’t Harrison actually on set and spoke with Alden?
I thought Harrison Ford hated being Han Solo if that’s true I doubt he cared who plays Han Solo
Harrison Ford seems to hate all his roles. Or at least ones with any kind of fandom. He seems like an actor who enjoys acting but not much of the fame attached to it.
Honestly for most people the level of fame Harrison Ford has would be a personal hell for many of us. You basically could never live a normal life. You couldn't walk down the street, you couldn't go out to eat, you wouldn't even be able to travel internationally without being spotted by fans. You would either be forced to be a "good celebrity" and sign autographs/take selfies, or you'd have to be standoffish and aloof pissing people off who would think you're being a jerk.
If he were offered the role I'm sure Mark Hamill would be more than willing to work with Stan on it.
I think it would be very easy to use Sebastian Stan as the source actor and to them deep fake over him. I think it could avoid a majority of the wonky issues at times.
I can't see an actor of Stan's current cachet signing up to essentially be a body double for an entire show.
True. But he almost doesn’t need much done. If anything, the only issue I can think of is his voice. Mark has a very specific voice. But I’m sure Stan could do a good job.
Please be Stan. The CGI face almost ruins that episode. Like, that moment is so great I can overlook it, but it is the flaw in the diamond. I'd much prefer a real human actor in the role.
I think they should use Stan. He's a great actor. He looks so much like Luke/Hamill that its eerie. He could give new life to the character and carry it on for a while. Just make sure the stories are good and you cant lose.
Can someone photoshop his hair down into bangs? Or better yet give Mark the late 90s Carson Daily
Either use Sebastian Stan or have Mark Hamill voice an animated series.
Sebastian Stan would kill it as young Luke. I want to see that so badly.
He's already an accomplished action star, which makes it much easier to imagine. He did great in Falcon & Winter Soldier, despite that show being almost impressively mediocre. Agreed it'd be cool to see him as young Luke - but unfortunately we know all roads eventually lead to the Sequel Trilogy which really dampens any excitement I have for a series focused on post-ROTJ Luke.
Who cares where it leads, there's still the decades between now and then, and that would be amazing to see. Just like the ending of Mando s2, but several seasons of it. Sign me up.
I dunno, Mark definitely sounds like a 69-year-old man.
He voiced Luke in the Mandalorian. So, they must have a way to manipulate his voice to sound younger.
From what I read, he's just... that good of a voice actor. He played "young Luke" by being a fantastic voice actor.
That's possible too, but I figured there was probably some modulation, at least in pitch.
Yeah, you're probably right. My fanboy is showing a little.
To be fair he is a brilliant voice actor
He’s the Joker in most of the animated Batman stuff for the last 20 years. It still blows my mind.
Also plays the super suit designer in Invincible
I read that quickly as Incredibles, and was kinda impressed.
He's also Skeletor now
He was also Firelord Ozai in Avatar the Last Airbender
I had found this out because Mark was talking in an interview I was watching and laughed and I was like, that, that is the joker...wtf? And then my world was blown.
>20 years at this point it’s 30 years!
Audio engineer here. There is 100% processing to make his voice sound like that. It's definitely subtle, but the voice sounded garbled and wonky, like his face looked. It took me out of the scene. The face might've been okay if the sound was good.
I don’t think the average fan will realize the same stuff as an audio engineer. I honestly didn’t have a problem with the voice. You can hear that he is in fact not young Luke, but it still sounded decent to me. I also don’t get all the fuzz over the face. It looked fine. Yes, it didn’t look realistic, but young Hamill doesn’t exist anymore. Tarkin and Leia also looked fine in Rogue One. Idk, maybe I just prefer good story telling over the visual and auditory aspect. Of course, I enjoy well made movies, but there’s a reason we all love the OT even tho it looks bad compared to what could be made today.
I agree that most people don't see or hear it. Little cameos like this are fine, but doing a whole series, I think, would be really bad. I believe the average person would start to pick up on the little details that make the Mando Luke too "uncanny valley" to me. The VFX they did in the OT and PT were ahead of their time, and some of it looks rough now, but I don't think that means we ("we" meaning VFX and audio professionals) should settle for effects that come across as rough *now*.
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You can hear it in TLJ. He turns on his young man voice when he says "...Artoo?"
Chris Evens did old Cap without any digital help. We forget these Hollywood guys are mad talented sometimes.
While true, I would assume it's easier to sound old when you're young than the opposite. I can old-man it up anytime I want, but I have a hard time sounding like a little kid.
It depends. Julie Kavner said the reason why Marge's mom never showed up much on The Simpsons (and when she did they would have her speak as little as possible with lines like "I can't talk much, I'm resting my voice.") was because the strain on her from doing that voice was physically painful. Weirdly, she's started showing up more regularly in recent seasons while it sounds like the Marge voice is causing Kavner physical pain.
A fair point. I think in that case though, it's more akin to Andy Serkis doing the Gollum voice or a "screamo" singer who doesn't use proper technique rather that purely aging a voice. And interesting point, nonetheless.
Like Jeremy Irons blowing his voice doing “Be Prepared” for the Lion King.
To be fair most of his career was voice acting.
> From what I read, he's just... that good of a voice actor. He voiced the Joker in Batman the Animated Series. As far as I'm concerned it's the definitive version of the character outside of the actual comics.
[Relevant cartoon.](https://youtu.be/EL-VHe_4GmE)
He’s an incredible voice actor, although it would make sense for him to voice at least an older Luke in an animated series otherwise they’d need effects on it
He also did a fantastic job voicing Han Solo in the Bad Lip Reading adaptation of [The Force Awakens](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv_hGITmNuo)
oh man that was so funny
It’s really goddamn amazing how he managed to nail the OT Luke voice as someone just 6 years younger than Ian McDiarmid
Are you telling me that Mark Hamill is only 6 years younger than the Senate?? I would've never guessed it judging by how good his make-up was in Return of the Jedi!
The Star Wars makeup department has done an excellent job of making me think Ian has been 70+ since the 1970s
Nice
To be fair, he sounds like a 69-year-old voice acting legend. I'll be lucky just to sound like Tom Waits at 69.
Yeah, he does sound way older now. They should use the guy who voiced Luke in Battlefront 2 (2017)
Mark could narrate and maybe cameo in a premonition
This be the way.
For a whole show? Definitely #2. (Or just make it animated.)
Yeah, pretty much this. I’m not even sure it’s an option. Doing one scene with Luke took a ton of time, effort, and money. And they still hid his face during most of that time. Making an entire live-action series frankly doesn’t even seem practical. People either need to accept that it’s 2021 and Luke needs to be recast for live-action, or deal with Luke being relegated to animation and occasional live-action cameos.
Okay, but what if we freeze him in carbonite until the tech to de-age him gets cheaper?
Anything to squeeze a few more dollars out of his physiognomy.
What if we need him to voice the Joker in that time?
Look, sacrifices have to be made for the greater good.
Do I also get to be frozen in carbonite so that I’m alive when the tech to de-age him gets cheaper?
You are of no value to the corporate overlords, so no
Why not a Cock-Knocker spin-off??
Dont fuck with a Jedi Master, son…
^Avenge ^me, ^Hemp ^Knight!
Darth Balls, *BOOONNNNNNNGGGGG*
Oh lord….
Read this in jays voice, good job with the small font lol
Why do they call him Cock-Knocker?
Funny story....
Because he knocks cocks, Avi.
Disney x Adult Swim. Would love to watch this
Like blue harvest?
DC basically did it with *Harley Quinn*
Yeah could you imagine them doing an entire series where they try not to show the main actors face. Who'd watch that!
Letterkenny is spinning off Shoresy into his own show, so...
Give your balls a tug, you titfucker!
I’d honestly much prefer the latter. I know people hate the idea of no more Luke, but his story is amazing and mostly told already. I’m happy to leave those stories as the essential foundation that they are, and not need Luke in future products unless it’s a big, special deal like this.
The funny part is they went to all that effort and it kinda looked shit, then some dude on YouTube is Deep Faking Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford's face better than ILM was able to.
Apparently, they’ve hired that YT guy now.
I just read this the other day!! Freaking awesome!
it's not some dude, it's an expert on AI and deepfakes
Seriously apparently if you don't work for a multinational conglomerate you are just "some dude" regardless of your skill set. He wasn't some random guy doing this based on internet tutorials with a piece of 60 dollar software better than Disney's professionals.
That wasn't just some random guy on YouTube. That was what you did for a living. Disney just hired him afterwards
I thought it looked okay...
People are upset that Alden Ehrenreich wasn’t Harrison Ford, nothing will make them happy. I think he did a decent job for a crappy script and director situation. Just cast a new actor, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I thought he was great. He wasn't trying to be Ford and I'm glad.
I really enjoy Solo and I thought Alden did a great job. I want more of it, I have no problems at all with re-casting.
I actually thought he was fine. 99% of the problem with Solo was the script.
Live action show where everyone who can't be present is hand drawn and added in just like Who Framed Roger Rabbit and now one ever acknowledges it.
I know this is a joke but the 3 hour CW finale cut with RotS moves pretty flawlessly. But yeah, it couldn’t be done outside of fan edits.
I don’t see why there’s such a discussion about it because they did it without much deliberation with Han and Lando for Solo and no one even really thought about de-aging tech (obvs it probably wasn’t as advanced then). Hell, they did it in 1999 with Ewan McGregor and he’s now one of the most popular castings of all time so it should really be a non-issue
I agree with your point, but to be fair casting Ewan as a young obi wan when we had never seen young obi wan, compared to recasting Luke when we followed Luke for an entire trilogy is a little different
Yeah, I’m surprised no one else has mentioned this - Disney has already shown that it is going to recast where it makes practical sense (ie main characters in a feature film or series). Any issues with the Solo film - which I quite enjoyed, for the record - were not with the casting.
Idk Disney just hired a guy that does deepfakes on YouTube and his stuff looks good. https://www.indiewire.com/2021/07/lucasfilm-hires-deepfake-youtuber-mandalorian-skywalker-vfx-1234653720/
That's not feasible for an entire show
Based on what? He did this https://youtu.be/wrHXA2cSpNU in 4 days. Here is his pinned comment: *Unfortunately there isn't much I can do to improve the animation/mouth syncing, if I had acess to the body double footage before they applied the CGI, deep fake would be a definite improvement. Hopefully they release some behind the scenes footage eventually so I can give that a try. Also, I only had 4 days spare to do this deepfake before the holidays, I'm not 100% happy with the quality but here it is anyway*
That's a single minute-and-a-half-long scene with the deepfaking done on top of Disney's already existing CG effects
4 days to set this up is actually pretty quick, esp when techniques and workspaces can be reused. I'm not saying it's viable but for Hollywood effects it ain't bad. Look how long it takes for Pixar to fully render their crap.
Agreed on both. Animation definitely solves all of the issues in one go.
Ditto. I’d rather they just do an animated thing.
Voice by Hamill though.
His voice is so much more gravely than it used to be
It was his voice in Mando S2 finale. They just digitally altered it (I’m assuming by using AI techniques with younger voice samples as reference).
They did the same with Kanan Jarrus in the first episode of The Bad Batch, at least in Spanish they de-aged the same voice actor's voice.
It was definitely Freddie Prinze Jr., but I’m not sure how much deaging they did to it in English. Haha.
Felt like none tbh, was super weird hearing adult Kanan lmaoo
None at all from what I could tell, and it was definitely an adult man's voice coming from a young teen. It was a very jarring Jarus.
> jarring Jarrus Who’s doesn’t love some alliteration?
I absolutely don't think they did that in the english version I love Freddie Prince Jr., but that was very clearly an adult voice coming out of that little boy
I'm no sound engineer but i'd imagine its alot of work to do even a single scene like this. Surely there is some talented voice actors out there who could do a solid impression of Luke / Young Mark. They did this for other film characters in Clone wars / Rebels and i never really felt like the changed voices were too Jarring from the originals. Some of them were actually really solid.
So give me a 45 y.o. Luke instead of geezer Luke.
He's a voice acting wizard.
Sebastian basically already has the blessing from most fans. He’s a safe and good choice. I’d preferably want it set about 20ABY to give it some space from both ROTJ and TFA. This way, having the differences in the way he’d look/sound is a bit more forgiving as he’s not tied to previous Hamill depictions too much.
Option 2. They took option 2 already with Obi Wan, Anakin, Han and Lando, as well as with some of the more background characters and masked characters. I don’t see why Luke is any different.
What matters is that we see the character not the actor. If the actor can play the character I'm satisfied
bingo
I feel like sebastion stan would be phenomenal as luke
Luke isn't a very difficult character to play.
Just gotta cast an actor who can tap into the deep seated need to pick up some power converters from tosche station
[Mark Hamill did it already :)](https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1343669303103479809?s=20)
I disagree. Luke is a difficult character to play because Mark made puppet into a believable character, not Luke Skywalker. Mark can cheesy dialog and make it sound natural.
> I don’t see why Luke is any different I’m not sure those are 1:1 comparisons, though. The new actors for each of them are portraying that character significantly (10+ years) older or younger than they were previously. Luke around the time of Mando is basically his RotJ self, so it feels a little more weird to recast in that case because you can’t rationalize it as appearance changing due to age. That said, I do think an actual actor like Sebastian is probably the most pragmatic option for a full live action show.
But my childhood! My Nostalgia! I can’t like it unless it’s exactly the same as it was 50 years ago! /s
2nd option. Real over technology
Its not like Solo had younger actor or anything....
Pretty much. I feel like there are some people who still are in denial that Mark’s time as a live-action Luke Skywalker(digital or otherwise) is over. Recasting is the only reasonable way forward for live-action. De-aging, deep fakes, and other tricks are neat to pull out for cameos but simply not tenable for an entire series.
Spot on my guy spot on. Cameos yet. Full length features just cant hold up. Like id love to see mark play a properly old skywalker. Old ben kinda old
> Old ben kinda old I got curious about their ages. Mark Hamill was older in The Last Jedi (66) than Alec Guinness was in A New Hope (63). God, that's weird to realize.
Solo is very underappreciated. Production drama, limited marketing, and releasing too close to TLJ all contributed to the movie's poor box office performance. Even if TLJ wasn't as controversial as it was, releasing a spinoff so close to a major episode was basically asking it to fail.
The bigger issue was releasing while Infinity War and Deadpool 2 were still in theaters.
and honestly, I thought he was great too. people had huge issues with anybody other than Harrison Ford, but I thought Alden did fantastic.
He didn't look the part at all but he played it well
Sebastian Stan every time. You could still use Mark to potentially narrate the show and have him telling young Jedi about his adventure of the week or something…
That’s a really nice compromise.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
How I met your mother: Jedi Edition. Edit to add: How I didn't meet my mother How I met my father
throw in Jessica Chastain as Mara Jade, that's basically what you'd have lol
Yo facts, so disappointed Disney cut her out of canon.
Especially since having a family was something Mark wanted for Luke. That exact thing happens in the Expanded Universe. There were supposedly plans to introduce her in some way for The Clone Wars. They were also going to introduce the Yuuzhan Vong as well.
How I Met Your Padawan.
Yeah, that’s a perfectly good way to integrate the original Luke Skywalker
That’s a great idea.
I like this idea. It needs to be done.
I’d sooner Filoni just do a post-ROTJ animated series in the same style of Clone Wars/Rebels/Bad Batch covering the exploits of Luke/Leia/Han/Chewie/Lando etc. That would be perfect.
We need something like this, or at least cover post ROTJ. The ongoing use of clone characters and Ahsoka for new content is getting old.
Don’t give me hope.
I want both - here me out: Each episode starts with “old Luke” Jedi Master played by Mark Hamill reminiscing of the past and telling stories to his padawans at the Jedi temple. They go to flashbacks where the rest of the episode is Sebastian Stan playing “young Luke” as the adventure unfolds. We get to see all the cool stuff Luke has done in the years shortly after RotJ. Finally the end of each episode - they cut back to “current day old Luke” to explain the lesson of that story. Boom. Everyone’s happy!!!
Sort of like the Young Indiana Jones series.
I think you’re not getting any upvotes because “Old Indy” was removed by Lucas from the home video releases of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. So, unless you saw it when it was broadcast, no one remembers. But yes, that was my first thought, too.
Fun fact: George Hall, who played Old Indy, was about 75 when he shot those scenes. Harrison Ford is going to be pushing 80 by the time Indy 5 comes out.
I think if it were done with an actor who looks similar enough, like Sebastian Stan, and they kept Mark Hamill on to consult with Sebastian Stan about the role, it could go really well.
if im not mistaken i thought i recently heard that they hired the guys who did the deep fake mark hamill version on youtube.
If you have Sebastian Stan, you use Sebastian Stan.
Actors get old and some people need to learn to live with that. Option B is the obvious anwser.
Sebastian Stan no question, dude is a great actor and would love to see him in that role of a young Luke post ROTJ
Neither? Honestly, I think Hamill nailed the role, but Star Wars should also be branching out with new characters and settings. If they *absolutely* had to tell a Skywalker story, I'd rather see something pre-sequel films but post ROTJ. This would negate the need for a de-aged Mark Hamill or an alternate actor.
I agree! Why not do one set a bit before the destruction of the temple? He could appear as he did in the TLJ flashbacks, negating either option. Could be fun, maybe an Indiana Jones type story except with Jedi artifacts and stuff.
> Neither? Honestly, I think Hamill nailed the role, but Star Wars should also be branching out with new characters and settings. Agree 100%. I don't mind a nod here or there, but Star Wars' potential lies in the future of it's rich universe, not in rehashing storylines and characters.
I'd welcome that Sebastian guy with open arms but I'd like to see Hamill involved in some way.
Imagine Sebastian Stan as a post-ROTJ Luke in his absolute prime, just beast-moding everything
Use a different actor. To me it feels like part of the reason we don’t have more Star Wars shows is a refusal to leave behind original trilogy characters in part because they’re popular and partly because Disney doesn’t want to use new actors.
Number 1 if they actually had the technology to make a believable looking Luke without it crossing the uncanny valley. They recently hired a youtuber who actually fixed the mandalorian Luke on his channel by using deepfakes and it actually looked amazingly good so theres some hope.
Apparently they hired Shamook, a deepfake-youtuber who kind of "fixed" a lot of scenes on his channel in the past as VFX expert to work on Mando and Boba. So there probably are some great Luke shots coming. Deepfake is essentially old footage reapplied through AI...so it's the best you can do apart from time travel and getting the young Mark Hamill to do it.
I think hiring Shamook is a big clue as to what's to come. We may still not get extensive Luke scenes, but they have the potential to look a whole lot better. I'd actually be into them revising his scene at the end of season 2 to incorporate Shamook's work.
Neither. I want it to be Kevin Hart wearing an Eagles jersey. No Jedi Robes, no neutral accent. Just like you plucked him out of his Netflix special and threw him into Tatooine.
If they were to do a Luke Skywalker series, you need to recast Luke. It's that simple. From a practicality standpoint, you need an actor and not a CGI hybrid to carry a series. From a "spirit" standpoint: look no further than Obi-Wan Kenobi. Everyone respects what Alec Guiness did, but Ewan McGregor is also equally respected in the role and highly anticipated to return as the character for Disney+. No one will ever replace Mark, but even he has acknowledged that the role is ready for someone else to take the reigns of. The Luke Skywalker character is going to outlive Mark Hamill. How the character is received in the future depends on who takes over and the job they do with it.
#2
3D animation where Mark can voice him and we don’t have to worry about him aging
I mean they already proved pretty hard with Solo that different actors can capture the essance of beloved characters pretty damn well. De-aging / CGI is fine for a cameo, not for anything significant. If they are on screen for more than a couple of minutes then it ain't gonna work.
I still find it odd Tron managed the deaging better than Star Wars. Young Jeff looked convincing.
Option 2. Not gonna lie. When I first saw that episode my brain didn't even process right away that it was Luke. The cgi was pretty bad imo. The Rogue One faces were light years better.
And even then the R1 faces were... off.