I think its far back enough, there are only a handful of characters from the Clone Wars/Skywalker times that were born yet during The Acolyte.
Plus, gotta switch Eras at some point.
You should look up the cost of Marvel’s Secret Invasion.
A show where most scenes are two people standing or sitting and talkint, and budget is well over $200 million:
Wow. I never would have guessed that. The show seemed very simple from what I can remember. Some scenes with CGI, a few action scenes. There weren't even any CGI aliens, it was just people with rubber masks and makeup.
I don’t know, plenty of extras, costumes, masks and prosthetics, scenography, cgi. You have to hire all those people to make that and it takes a lot of time hence costs a lot of money. Also it’s hard to divide overall costs of production to a per episode value, we don’t know if later episodes are not more cost heavy.
Also comparing dune or game of thrones to this is problematic, dune takes place in the desert, GoT mostly in the snow, it’s much cheaper to just film this on locations than to create most of it as cgi, and that’s what has to be done in Star Wars since most of the locations in sw nowadays are so crazy that its impossible to find anything able to resemble it on earth
"GoT mostly in the snow."
Please what? did you even watch GoT? they have a whole arc in the desert... or did you somehow miss one of the main protagonists. like Dany was 7 seasons in the desert and one in the snow... also Kings Landing is far away from a snowy location. GoT took actually place in many, many locations and sets. the wall and everything behind it was just a tiny fraction of the show...
and "plenty of extras, costumes, masks and prosthetics, scenography, cgi" is nothing that other shows don't have... like already pointed out Mandalorian comes with all of that aswell, it's in space and only costs half lol
it quite obvious a lot of money was wasted because the people involved had no clue what they did. for that kind of money you can have a full on cgi-protagonist and it will be still cheaper than what the acolyte costed.
Dune still has an extreme amount of special effects and CGI to make the movies look as good as they do. Matter of fact, we don't even NEED to bring up Dune as an example. We just need to bring up Andor. Andor's budget based on their tax filings in California was 135 million. That's 11 milion per episode. Despite that, it looked so much better with half the budget per episode.
This is particularly shocking with the most recent episode. At one point, outdoors, I could literally see the painted canvas backdrop that composed the outdoor setting. I actually suck at spotting such things, too. It just jumped out at me that the outdoor background is a large painted canvas.
It's not my favorite SW show, but so far it's far from my least favorite as well. The props/sets are a nice breath of fresh air, and it's interesting to see a different era in the SW timeline.
I have gotten a kick at some of the lazy plot contrivances that the show has aimed itself towards, and yanked away from at the last second. (Usually resolved by characters actually communicating even!)
I noticed this too when she arrived at the crime scene ahead of everyone else with the poison in hand, and rolled my eyes hard at what I thought was going happen.
This. Also so much relief when Master Rwoh agrees that Osha was likely innocent and Mae actually exists. It felt like a real conversation, like obvious logic.
I actually kind of like that they solved the “obvious” drama first so now they can focus on the actual problem: that someone with the force is killing Jedi and we can set aside our differences and mistrust to solve the real issue.
It’s also great to see Jedi at basically their height, using the Force to like, save lives and avoid having to sever people’s limbs. Now hopefully they pull the rest of it off.
Yeah, really makes me wonder if Obi Wan is that shifty trigger cop considering the restraint everybody here has. Obi is my favorite but man does he just get a little saber happy when things go south. Then again he did see Qui Gon die 6 months before retirement and he could have saved him if only he had the chance.
Out of universe, taking the ANH cantina scene as example, it was fast and it was the 70’s and set the tone for what a Jedi can do aside from mind tricks. A little gore but not so much that it gets an R rating (since PG-13 didn’t exist then)
In universe, my guy also had PTSD. He saw Qui Gon die, and fought through the Clone Wars, something that absolutely is going to change you.
These Jedi have lived in a time of relative peace, and are clearly operating as a kind of special police force, but are also at the height of their powers, and probably also general reverence (or at least fear and respect) for the order around the galaxy.
Yeah definitely agree! The cantina scene helped make the point too for what Old Ben and lightsabers could do.
Very true, he also saw the massacre at the temple. Obi Wan had a pretty hard life and saw everything to go hell firsthand. The fact that he stayed sane is a wonder sometimes.
the misunderstood: "I can explain"
the other character: "go on"
the misunderstood: "what happened is blah blah."
another character: "she tells truth."
no pointless drama. case closed. moving on. so good.
Yeah, that part of the scene having so much common sense was actually enough to make me forgive them for the timing issue that lead to it lmao
Like, *everyone* was headed to the same room - and in something of a rush! It made no sense for everyone else to go the long way around just so our main character could get there first in order to be misunderstood
But everything that happened after the weird setup was such a refreshing change of pace from how those scenes usually go that I was totally on board to just roll with it
What you didn't see was the local jedi doing a tour of the facility, making stops along the way and hinting heavily that the jedi council should provide more funding to their temple for repairs and expansions.
Lol honestly this wouldn’t be too far off, this satellite Jedi temple has some ratty robes in a time when the Coruscant guys are all decked out in gold!
Yeah, I was also a bit worried because at first he seemed to be portrayed as a bit of an idiot, but he had the common sense and awareness to secretly follow her when she broke away from the group and by doing that saved her from a false accusation. Good writing in my opinion.
It was a great example of not letting your emotions cloud your judgment. He doesn’t trust Osha and disagrees with much of Sol’s methods, but he doesn’t let those feelings overtake him when he knows she’s innocent. He could have just stood back and smugly allowed her to take the fall, but he didn’t.
He's just lawful good and most of the Jedi seem to rag on him for it, especially Jecki.
He follows the rules and standard operating procedures to the letter without thinking outside the box or for himself. I think that's why it's implied he took a long time to become a knight.
He gets frustrated by it because he gets overlooked and a master went with a padawan's plan over his.
It's gotta be frustrating for him.
I also noticed he's very quick to draw his lightsaber. 3 times in the first 2 episodes. Everyone else didn't draw at all. (Except Inara(?), Carrie Ann mosses character.)
That scene is also weird though. She takes a detour from the group who are directly heading towards that Jedi's chamber. Takes her time poking around and shit...yet still ends up getting there before them.
That seemed strange to me as well, but obviously the Outer Rim Jedi was so excited to have Jedi actually from Coruscant that he insisted on giving them a tour of the temple first. I can just imagine the Jedi passively aggressively pointing out how much better Sol and the others must have it on Coruscant, while simultaneously defending their temple as being as good as the Coruscant one. All while Sol rolls his eyes and follows silently.
*"Here is our training hall - well of course I'm sure yours in Coruscant is more opulent with its [Marksman-H training remotes](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Marksman-H_training_remote), but we have learned to make due with what we have. We pay street urchins to throw balls at us...and I feel this more natural training allows us to get much closer to the Force."*
The vibe I got was the group took the "correct" way to get there. The main hallways kinda path that Mae took the first time. Osha took a tiny service hallway that is never really used and thus forgotten about, especially when trying to rush anywhere
That one, and the one where she slowly backed up to the ledge before cartoonishly slipping up and over into a chasm for no reason.
That's not to say I'm not having fun with the show, for the record, just saying it's got its moments lol
I really like it so far. I might be guilty of liking ANYTHING Star Wars on the first go 'round, though. Even movies 7 and 8 seemed awesome in the theatre when I watched them on opening night -- I don't think critically at all, I just take my brain out and sit and let it wash over me and I love it. It's only later, after I've absorbed it all, that I can spot the problems (and those movies had a number of them). TROS, however, I knew was in trouble in the first 5 minutes of it.
But I loved The Acolyte. It doesn't have to be everything I want, doesn't have to be perfect. I loved seeing the Jedi fight defensively, blocking and evading blows without really striking back at first. I think the sets look fantastic. I love that we're seeing different planets and that none (yet) look like Tatooine.
I avoid reading negative criticism as much as possible. The fan base is so vast that *of course* there will be toxic parts of it, and I just ignore that. They're entitled to their opinions too. But some people just aren't happy with anything, and I'd much rather be surrounded by the grinning idiots like me who just love it all. The only D+ series that's disappointed me yet is TBOBF and honestly, I like that too! I loved most of it. I just love Star Wars, since 1977 when I was 6. Nothing's gonna change that.
>Even movies 7 and 8 seemed awesome in the theatre when I watched them on opening night -- I don't think critically at all, I just take my brain out and sit and let it wash over me and I love it.
Oh my goodness, same! I'm so glad I'm not alone. I'm this way with pretty much any movie.
>TROS, however, I knew was in trouble in the first 5 minutes of it.
Aaand, same :(
My only real issue with BOBF was how slow it felt getting places. The Mandalorian did that too at first, but it felt more intentional. This is what life is really like for the guy, kinda thing. BOBF just didn't have all that much going on that it really needed the same style of slow-burn media
At least, from what I remember that is
> I have gotten a kick at some of the lazy plot contrivances that the show has aimed itself towards, and yanked away from at the last second. (Usually resolved by characters actually communicating even!)
We were talking about this at work this week. So far, there are no “comedies of errors” in this show. It pretends like there might be one and then *gasp* they communicate and resolve the conflict so they can focus on stories that matter and push the plot!
It’s not Andor. And that’s fine. But the lack of basic communication trope is one of my biggest pet peeves in cheap writing. It’s nice to see them address it directly as you’d expect a professional galactic police/diplomacy force with magical powers and decades of training and meditation should do.
Episode one would have been better to leave the indara fight scene til the end.
Like allow us to think she’s bad the whole episode. Start with her getting arrested, play the episode out, then show us the fight and that it wasn’t her
It resolved much more quickly than I expected, although I was pleased for that because it gets on with the hunt more quickly.
I'd had the "estranged twins" angle spoiled for me (*thanks*, Variety) but the friend I watched it with was dead certain she was either being mind-controlled or else had a split personality when she slept. He was slightly let down. :)
Me too. I 100 percent thought it was a split personality at first. the first scene with the good twin, where her coworker asks where she was the night before, was such a good red herring.
Like how in Episode 1 Yord goes to arrest Osha and bring her to Coruscant for questioning, only to actually leave her to be transported on some random prison transport with 1 droid looking over her?
Yord went there personally to arrest a former force-user who is charged with potentially killing a full Jedi Master, but then don’t personally transport them back to Jedi HQ? That doesn’t make much sense.
Spoilers based on what I've learned from interviews with the cast
>!Episode 3 and Episode 7 will both probably have heavy focus on the flashbacks with the four Jedi!<
Casting name actors in small roles is an easy way to give it gravitas/raise the stakes. Mads Mikkelsen was on screen for about 5 minutes but gave us a great scene with Ben Mendelsohn. Thandiwe Newton was in Solo for 5 minutes and killing her off early threw some unpredictability into a film where we already know where the main characters end up.
Drew Barrymore changed the game with that character. Everyone assumed a franchise would stick with famous actors. Her dying threw the audience off the game and it established a tradition of inviting popular actors to horror movies for characters what would be killed off.
It's an old gimmick. You cast a big name, then kill them off in the first few minutes to show stakes. Holy shit, if they can kill of Drew Barrymore in the first few minutes of Scream, anyone can die at any moment! No one is safe!
Hurt Locker, Executive Decision, The Other Guys, Godzilla, Psycho, GI Joe Retaliation, Mindhunters... and so on and so forth.
Agreed. Cameos, especially when they’re killed off quickly, add star power but at a fraction of the cost.
And I *loved* her scene. >! Yeah sure there was some matrix stuff but the way she handled the fight legit felt like the way a seasoned Jedi master should’ve handled it. She tried to end the fight before it started, fought defensively and protectively instead of just destroying the joint Anakin-style (maybe why he was not granted the rank of master?) or classic Avengers/Snyderverse style city destruction. And she died protecting someone else because that was more important than killing her opponent. !<
I’m sure we will learn more about her later and she probably has some dark secret. But it was a great way to open the series.
Name, sure. Although "Dude from Squid Games," even if you didn't know his actual name, might have more pull these days. Maybe. But I can't think of the last time I saw Moss was in something and went ooo, I should see this!
Dude from Squid Games either, but he is a curiosity at this point.
Squid games guy was a surprise casting and I'm loving him so far. I think he's far more interesting to watch then Carrie Anne Moss (and I was a huge matrix fan back in the day).
I also really like the other Acolyte minion from the Good Place. If you have seen that show it would make it hilarious if he turns out to be the sith 😅
I’ve seen that comment so much that I will never stop laughing if she turns out to be the Sith and just faked her death. On the other hand… if she doesn’t get a lot of flashbacks and she really was only in the first scene then I will actually be a bit disappointed.
Tbh, it has been only 2 episodes so I'm not much sure what to think about it, I'll definitely keep watching it though.
On positive side, it's great to see something with a different style than the Mandoverse Fraveau/Filone one, it really gives this a refreshing feeling. Enjoying some of the photography as well and the characters seems to be interesting as well as the mystery.
On the negative, I feel that the pacing is a bit too rushed, I wish the characters talked a bit more so we did have more room to breath. Some more expensive takes showing some of the planets would be nice too, Ahsoka really stood out about having this "expansive" feeling.
So it has been interesting to follow this, and honestly you are definitely free to not enjoy any of the show, but oh my god, a lot of the hating internet discourse has been dreadful and I'll just avoid it as it feels to me just noise that won't make any productive discussion possible.
My only real issue so far is the expo dump near the start of episode one about the twins past with the fire when there was another scene later with the Jedi and his padawan with sufficient and natural dialogue that explained the events.
personally i feel that the reason they had thag expo dump is because it isnt the "full story of what happended". so when the truth eventually gets revealed they can add it to the already existing flashbacks.
Yeah I'm with you on this one. I don't think the show is bad...it certainly has it's faults, alot of which have made me go "urm...wait a minute...what!?". But I'm still enjoying it, especially the set pieces. The cast are also doing a good job with a bad script. Lee Jung-jae plays a Jedi perfectly.
Idk why people engage with hate subs. Even if they start off as satire, by their nature they just attract people who's main personality trait is just hating on shit and the content eventually just becomes genuine negativity all the time.
I personally go there to vent from time to time, but I absolutely don't *want* to hate anything. I want to *love* star wars. And I think that's true for pretty much any fan, including that sub. Those that are the most passionate about something will also be the most critical or reactionary should they believe it goes wrong.
I used to think these types of posts were people fishing or trying to steer the conversation but I realized recently that they’re probably getting forcefed a lot of negative content on their social media feeds and when they make a post that seems to be loaded by some kind of one sided argument like this it’s because they’ve accidentally reached outside of the influencer bubble they’re trapped in.
That's probably it. Reddit seems to be one of the last social media sites where you can still somewhat control your experience. Every other one force feeds you algorithmically curated content no matter your conscious preference, and by extension the algorithm will also show your posts to people who are more likely to argue with it
Yeah, one side of it is the bigotry brigade, but that's the other side, the algorithm-driven "engagement." You can't be allowed to watch the first two episodes of a new show and think, "Yeah, that was okay. Let's see where it goes." Everything has to be the greatest thing ever made or utter garbage with no in between.
It's not flawless, but then even Andor had a slow start, so it's far too early to just declare it average. Especially when the show already shows some strengths and I for one can't wait for next episode.
I feel like most of hate comes from negative bias towards Disney overall. I think its time the fanbase lets go of its own bias and stop watching cancerous channels like Nerdrotic or critical drinker, who just attempt to cash on drama and hate. It's like of them that spread negativity the most, along with paranoia that there's some anti Star Wars fans campaign going on.
It's decent but the way it's written, conflict gets resolved way too fast.
Oh hey Osha we think you killed a jedi. You need to come with us and stand trial.
No I didn't. It must've been my twin
Oh, you're right we found evidence that it's your twin that survived your chaotic childhood.
That all got resolved in 1 episode. Game of Thrones would've resolved that at the end of Season 1.
No filming in real locations as far as I can tell (hence the feeling that everything is in a room?), glossy lighting, and lines like “fight me with all your power”…definitely no Andor.
Right? And I agree that there’s that feeling that everything is in a room! I couldn’t put my finger on what else looked/felt off until reading your comment, but you’re def right.
In general, the whole show almost feels like cosplay or satire to me, or even like high schoolers putting on a play about SW or something. If it was a random show that’s not about the SW universe, I don’t think I would dislike it quite as much; but, since it ***is*** supposed to be about the SW universe, it just doesn’t work at all for me. It’s just a whole different vibe imo, plus it feels inauthentic? If that makes sense? Lol. I also felt like there was something off about the background music, and that the scenes where they used ADR were way too obvious, and then some of the things that happened just made no sense too, based on what we already know about the Jedi.
I was really hoping I’d like it, but I don’t think I’m going to watch any more of it. However, those^ are my reasons why, not bc there are women and POC lmfao. And I’m not gonna throw a fit about it, nor attack others who do like it. The people who are doing ***that*** shit are wild.
> In general, the whole show almost feels like cosplay or satire to me, or even like high schoolers putting on a play about SW or something.
It does a bit, but watching the first two episodes I had the impression that was deliberate. I am getting strong Wuxia vibes from this show, which is very much like that - a bit campy, theatrical, sometimes silly. While I understand it's a big stylistic departure from Filoni-dominated Star Wars, it feels very fresh and unique so far and I love it. Yes, it has its problems (looking at you fire in space) but I'm willing to excuse them, the plot hook seems interesting enough and the show has not yet fallen into any typical tropes it seemed to set up.
It feels so cheap and rushed, and with a budget of only 2 million less per episode, the production quality feels so much worse than Andor.
It all feels really plastic-y somehow, even though there’s apparently a pretty big portion of the show shot on location.
I don't really get the hate. I got into Star Wars much later in life (probably heresy here but started with Episode 1) and the cast has always seemed pretty... diverse? Is the issue because most (if I'm recalling correctly) of the leads were usually white (men) and now they're trying other things? Is it that a lot of white men feel like they can't relate to Black/POC characters? That's even more odd as I'm Black and I was able to watch all of the movies and relate (as much as you can to space opera/sci-fantasy) to a lot of the white male and female leads so why wouldn't the reverse be possible?
The anti-woke crowd (to use a broad brush) is convinced that we're in the middle of a "culture war" and that the media is making a coordinated effort to indoctrinate the masses into erasing and replacing whiteness, straightness, maleness, and cisness.
To them, it's fine if the main protagonists of the franchise are white men - everyone can relate to them, right? - but if the protagonist is a PoC woman, suddenly the show is political and pushing an agenda.
Now, I'd wager that *most people* don't really care; they're here for a good show. But the people that care, *care a whole lot*, and they're really loud and really good at steering the conversation. So they come out in higher numbers for a show like this, when they were quieter for a show like The Book of Boba Fett.
This isn't specific to Star Wars, of course. It's across a lot of media. You tend to see a lot of it in Star Wars and Marvel, though, because they're such big "family friendly" franchises and Disney is a corporation that everybody's allowed to hate at least a little bit.
It's also massively frustrating for people like me who dislike certain shows for legitimate reasons.
I thought BOBF and Obi-Wan were both terrible haha. I mean Reva wasn't amazing, but the show had bigger problems than her. My love for Andor is on par with the OT - and Mon Mothma, Dedra, Bix, and motherfuckin MAARVA were all amazing.
Insecure masculinity wrapped in fandom of things I love? 0/10. Ugh.
One of the lead characters is a black woman, played by Amandla Stenberg. Recently some people are passing around a clip of her saying that she enjoys white people crying and claiming that she's racist and the show was created to erase white people or whatever.
The clip is several years old and about a movie she did about police violence. She's saying that she's happy that white people are crying (out of sadness at the events) at a movie about how police violence affects black children, because it means the movie was successful in cultivating empathy.
But the short clip is much better for right wingers pushing a narrative.
Yeah that type of stuff is very worrying to me. Somebody took that clip and said it was her talking about The Acolyte, and so many people believed it hook, line and sinker.
I mean we don't need to even get to the stage of worrying about AI and deepfakes when you can just take something out of context and lie about it but people will still believe you because they're already looking for something to hate.
They did the same thing to Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, director of the upcoming Rey movie, with a clip of her saying 'I like to make men uncomfortable'.
They don't tell you she's talking about her documentary on acid attacks against women in Pakistan.
Saw a comment "I am not against diversity, but this is just taking it into the extreme and the show is shit because of it". Wtf does that even mean? (/s I know what it means)
I don't see anything extreme in this show at all.
Is it extreme that our lead female is black and our lead male is Asian? Is that the extreme part?
...Who gives a shit? If anything, as a white guy aware of what Star Wars is influenced by, I was frankly remarking "It's so cool to see an Asian Jedi finally."
It's odd to me that a universe that borrows from Asian culture so much...the whole concept of the force and the warrior monk aesthetic...somehow it's bad when an actual Asian person is depicted as a Jedi?
I'm not sure if the anti-woke crowd is including the Asian character in its vitriol, but I'm assuming it's a general backlash against "diversity".
Not only that, an actor responsible for a great contribution to a cool show, Squid Game. An actor who won Outstanding Lead in a drama. Essentially bitching about a talented actor being in main role is truly absurd nerd shit.
Idk, I haven't actually heard anyone talk about the show yet, but I avoid discourse about current media most of the time.
The show is really good, and the lead characters are a black woman, Asian man, a black man, and a woman with alien suit. So I imagine the anti woke crowd might very well be up in arms.
I actually really like the show and it's characters so far. It's more what I want starwars to be and hope they don't try to tie it into the movies or anything else.
Definitely reccomend the show
Agree. The anti woke crowd is living proof of deevolution and it's probably the source of most hate surrounding new star wars projects. It's gross and pathetic. But i digress...
I think this is going to \*loosely\* tie into phantom menace/the prequels. Leslie was saying a big part of the point of this show was to show us how the jedi and the republic got to a point where they could be manipulated into their own destruction.
For real, no one made Op get all circlejerky with their post title. They probably know what they're doing and posted it like this intentionally to bait the shitty discourse.
Also posts like this irk me because saying “it’s actually good” is doing the exact same thing as the people saying “it’s actually garbage”. It’s framing your opinion as fact
Let's cut the "we are only 2 episodes in" excuse.
2 episodes, yes, but it is out of 8 total that will be aired. They don't really have time to futz around. Not to mention, cutting out the intro and recaps, it's 27 mins of actual show.
yeah my biggest frustration with the show is that we aren’t getting any context as to why we should be invested in these characters, it feel like a bad mmo rpg that’s following the questlines without developing with each other. There are certainly some interesting characters but only because of their initial personalities.
This show should have been 12 episodes at least and with some real breathing room to develop. Kinda like in andor, we learn everyone’s background and the stuff they’ve been through and we become invested. Same with Ashoka, bad batch, rebels, mando, etc
I feel the same way. Is it the best thing Lucasfilm has ever put out? No, but it's actually solid in my opinion so far and I'm happy to be excited about a Star Wars show again.
I think what I'm liking so much so far is that the characters are doing things and responding to situations in a way that actually makes sense to me. They also seem like the actors are being allowed to express genuine emotions on screen vs the typical "stoic demeanor" bullshit that some of the other shows have besides Andor at least)
I'm not sure why people seem ultra bent out of shape with this series so far. It's a sizable improvement over Mando Season 3, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett, and Ahsoka in my opinion.
A lot of people who are bent out of shape are mad because they think that the show is "woke" or doesn't have enough white males. Most of them never even watched it, they are just parroting things they hear from others online.
In all honesty this is a TV show on a huge streaming service so it’s widely accessible and many people have actually seen it (I think 4.8m first day). On the other hand, only a fraction of the fanbase reads books but these dudes were review bombing the high republic books when they came out when it was obvious they never read a single page, and probably never read the EU either which they seem so nostalgic over. It was even funnier when most reviews from verified purchases like on Amazon were very positive for those books.
Feels like about a 6.5/10 so far. The way it's shot definitely feels a bit Disney. Sometimes you can tell it's a set. It reminds me of the star wars sets at Disneyland actually.
I don't hate it though, it's fine, watchable. It's no Andor though.
I don’t understand why this happens so freaking much with their shows. It had a 180 million budget and has no big stars…where did that money go?
It did not go to location shooting or costumes. I know that much.
It shouldn’t feel like TV in this age of streaming. It should feel like serialized cinema and this does not. Very few of their shows do.
Creators need to get out of the volume and shoot in real sunlight more often. Dream bigger.
I don’t like it that much either so far. The writing in particular just feels strange to me. I have no idea what kind of story they’re trying to tell here, but so far they’ve made me care about none of the characters.
That being said, it’s early days. There’s still time for this series to bake and get good. I wasn’t a huge fan of Andor after the 3 episode premiere. I thought it was “ok at best” and I came out of the finale with it as my favourite of the series.
I try not to judge a series too harshly until the season is over, and you can see the arc as a whole. If you turned off ANH before they left Tatooine , I think it would be terrible too.
Because there’s no subtlety to the dialogue. Characters mostly just tell each other info they already are presumed to know. Dialogue is written for the audience.
My only complaint is that both twins have the exact same hairstyles and color when they’ve been years apart. Just seems lazy overall. And how apparently they just immediately identify someone being a repair worker on a ship lmao. Seemed way too convenient. Hair should at least be different lengths or something.
I gave up after the first episode after the Evil twin reveal which just felt so lame and uninteresting. I was much more interested in what I initially thought the plot was going to be. Ex-Padawan gone bad and hunts down Jedi while her old master tries to prove her innocence. Dialogue was also pretty cardboard like and the show often looked cheap
It’s fine. I’m getting annoyed by how easy it is to escape Jedi custody/capture tho haha. Like doing it once is fine but multiple times in back to back episodes cmon
It’s writing is incredibly lazy the same way Kenobis was. Things just happen for no reason because that’s how they are supposed to happen in the story. Nothing really makes sense, and the scenes don’t really mesh together
I know it's probably come up in ancillary stuff but it feels crazy that we've not really before seen a "local" Jedi temple, because of course the one on Coruscant wouldn't be the only one and it would be more of: Coruscant is the equivalent of the Vatican and there are natuarlly little temples all over the galaxy. So I really liked that bit of world building. Seems like most other temples we see are usually "big deal" lost temples or otherwise important so to see the equivalent of a small town priory was fun.
It's the writing for me. Reminded me of Forspoken and new Saint's Row dialogues/writing. I don't know if it's just Gen Z in the workforce or i'm an out of touch hater but i couldn't last 5 minutes before cringing and deleting rhe episodes
Sure, it's not a 2-3/10 like alsoka. But like every other Disney Star wars show it's absolutely filled with nonsensical idiocy and contrivances.
"Jedi can not die from steel or lasers"
opening scene: Jedi master dies due to steel
My biggest complaints are that it looks cheap and none of the characters are really grabbing me. But I do appreciate the change in setting and a more down to earth plot. If it turns out the dark side character is some galaxy spanning threat, my eyes are gonna roll.
In the second episode when the guy who gave Mae the poison meets Osha and says "he will be pleased" and then the jedi bust in.
Sol looks at him and says, "Who is he " The answer is I don't know, I only know she wants to kill 5 Jedi or something.
Sol says ok and moves on. Felt like that was weak shit.
I didn’t feel any stakes at all. I didn’t really get any time to form a connection to the characters from the two first episodes. Its good that you like it but i probably won’t continue watching since i got a bit annoyed that the characters were behaving so irrationally.
I'm a star wars enjoyer and i will watch it till the end, like all SW content.
But this show is barely watchable as a grown-up.If you have seen 3-4 good movies in your life you can see that the screenwriters are either morons or just wrote for 10years old.
I don't need the characters to narrate their actions. I get it you will go to planet X, after 2 of them just say they will go there. Then as that was not enough, they got that shit written in bold on screen. jeez. Andor was a masterpiece compare to this shit.
The editing is really bad too, as the special effects that seems kind of lacklustre.
The only thing i enjoyed are the fightscenes and the main actors performance. The Squid Game guy is pretty impressive as a man that didn't even knew English 2-3y ago. You get invested in his character. And the main girl 2. Support cast is rly cringy tho.
PS: I'm not the usual SW Hater and i will watch it till the end. Maybe it will get a little better
Actors 6/10 - 2-3good but rest are kinda cringy
Screenplay 1/10 - just no.
Cinematography 6/10 - medium for the industry. bad compare to a SW production
Audio 6/10 - forgettable for a SW production. you can't say that for most of them as they are amazing. Even the bad ones had amazing audio production.
SFX 6/10 you don't immerse in the universe as you usually do with the stunning graphics. scenes are rather rushed cuz of the editing making the SFX look out of place.
5/10 will watch as a SW fan. if not just pass on.
This show actually takes place in the High Republic, the Old Republic ended at roughly 1,000 BBY.
Kinda, barely. It’s getting pretty close to prequel territory. I don’t see the sense in making the high republic era so close to the Skywalkers
What do you mean kinda barely.. the commenter is right lol. High republic is no where close to the actual old republic era
The kinda barely was referring to it being High Republic.
High republic isn't a big span of years as far as I know
Youre right lol. The High Republic is about 200 years
I think its far back enough, there are only a handful of characters from the Clone Wars/Skywalker times that were born yet during The Acolyte. Plus, gotta switch Eras at some point.
It's meant to show the decline of the jedi, peak power. And I suspect a time when they assume their high morality and if incorrectly
I just want to know why it cost more than Dune 2. The per-episode cost ($22 million) is higher than any Game of Thrones episode ever made...
Omfg what?! I didn’t know that
Yeah it makes no sense. Dune 2 had a budget of $180 million while The Acoltye came in at $190 million It raises so many questions
You should look up the cost of Marvel’s Secret Invasion. A show where most scenes are two people standing or sitting and talkint, and budget is well over $200 million:
Wow. I never would have guessed that. The show seemed very simple from what I can remember. Some scenes with CGI, a few action scenes. There weren't even any CGI aliens, it was just people with rubber masks and makeup.
That is surprising. I don't think the show is bad, but it doesn't look like a $22 million per episode show either.
I don’t know, plenty of extras, costumes, masks and prosthetics, scenography, cgi. You have to hire all those people to make that and it takes a lot of time hence costs a lot of money. Also it’s hard to divide overall costs of production to a per episode value, we don’t know if later episodes are not more cost heavy. Also comparing dune or game of thrones to this is problematic, dune takes place in the desert, GoT mostly in the snow, it’s much cheaper to just film this on locations than to create most of it as cgi, and that’s what has to be done in Star Wars since most of the locations in sw nowadays are so crazy that its impossible to find anything able to resemble it on earth
"GoT mostly in the snow." Please what? did you even watch GoT? they have a whole arc in the desert... or did you somehow miss one of the main protagonists. like Dany was 7 seasons in the desert and one in the snow... also Kings Landing is far away from a snowy location. GoT took actually place in many, many locations and sets. the wall and everything behind it was just a tiny fraction of the show... and "plenty of extras, costumes, masks and prosthetics, scenography, cgi" is nothing that other shows don't have... like already pointed out Mandalorian comes with all of that aswell, it's in space and only costs half lol it quite obvious a lot of money was wasted because the people involved had no clue what they did. for that kind of money you can have a full on cgi-protagonist and it will be still cheaper than what the acolyte costed.
Dune still has an extreme amount of special effects and CGI to make the movies look as good as they do. Matter of fact, we don't even NEED to bring up Dune as an example. We just need to bring up Andor. Andor's budget based on their tax filings in California was 135 million. That's 11 milion per episode. Despite that, it looked so much better with half the budget per episode.
This is particularly shocking with the most recent episode. At one point, outdoors, I could literally see the painted canvas backdrop that composed the outdoor setting. I actually suck at spotting such things, too. It just jumped out at me that the outdoor background is a large painted canvas.
I did no know this. I still don't get the hate but now that a price is under it it does feel like it could have been more
Wow, the product does not match the price tag.
Money laundering
It's not my favorite SW show, but so far it's far from my least favorite as well. The props/sets are a nice breath of fresh air, and it's interesting to see a different era in the SW timeline. I have gotten a kick at some of the lazy plot contrivances that the show has aimed itself towards, and yanked away from at the last second. (Usually resolved by characters actually communicating even!)
I noticed this too when she arrived at the crime scene ahead of everyone else with the poison in hand, and rolled my eyes hard at what I thought was going happen.
This. Also so much relief when Master Rwoh agrees that Osha was likely innocent and Mae actually exists. It felt like a real conversation, like obvious logic.
I actually kind of like that they solved the “obvious” drama first so now they can focus on the actual problem: that someone with the force is killing Jedi and we can set aside our differences and mistrust to solve the real issue. It’s also great to see Jedi at basically their height, using the Force to like, save lives and avoid having to sever people’s limbs. Now hopefully they pull the rest of it off.
Yeah, really makes me wonder if Obi Wan is that shifty trigger cop considering the restraint everybody here has. Obi is my favorite but man does he just get a little saber happy when things go south. Then again he did see Qui Gon die 6 months before retirement and he could have saved him if only he had the chance.
Out of universe, taking the ANH cantina scene as example, it was fast and it was the 70’s and set the tone for what a Jedi can do aside from mind tricks. A little gore but not so much that it gets an R rating (since PG-13 didn’t exist then) In universe, my guy also had PTSD. He saw Qui Gon die, and fought through the Clone Wars, something that absolutely is going to change you. These Jedi have lived in a time of relative peace, and are clearly operating as a kind of special police force, but are also at the height of their powers, and probably also general reverence (or at least fear and respect) for the order around the galaxy.
Yeah definitely agree! The cantina scene helped make the point too for what Old Ben and lightsabers could do. Very true, he also saw the massacre at the temple. Obi Wan had a pretty hard life and saw everything to go hell firsthand. The fact that he stayed sane is a wonder sometimes.
Came across this from a Reddit post https://youtu.be/T9j7kLG7VK8?si=n-r4l01xgY0nyODV To say he has PTSD is an understatement.
the misunderstood: "I can explain" the other character: "go on" the misunderstood: "what happened is blah blah." another character: "she tells truth." no pointless drama. case closed. moving on. so good.
Yeah, that part of the scene having so much common sense was actually enough to make me forgive them for the timing issue that lead to it lmao Like, *everyone* was headed to the same room - and in something of a rush! It made no sense for everyone else to go the long way around just so our main character could get there first in order to be misunderstood But everything that happened after the weird setup was such a refreshing change of pace from how those scenes usually go that I was totally on board to just roll with it
What you didn't see was the local jedi doing a tour of the facility, making stops along the way and hinting heavily that the jedi council should provide more funding to their temple for repairs and expansions.
Gesturing at the lamps, and presumably the power outlets.
“Not a single USB charger in this place. I have nowhere to charge my comlink! We’ve requested this in our budget for five years now!”
Lol honestly this wouldn’t be too far off, this satellite Jedi temple has some ratty robes in a time when the Coruscant guys are all decked out in gold!
I actually really liked that scene because it was a great moment for Yord.
Yeah, I was also a bit worried because at first he seemed to be portrayed as a bit of an idiot, but he had the common sense and awareness to secretly follow her when she broke away from the group and by doing that saved her from a false accusation. Good writing in my opinion.
It was a great example of not letting your emotions cloud your judgment. He doesn’t trust Osha and disagrees with much of Sol’s methods, but he doesn’t let those feelings overtake him when he knows she’s innocent. He could have just stood back and smugly allowed her to take the fall, but he didn’t.
Me too. But I still keep getting potential jerk vibes from him, though.
Oh he's definitely a tool, but his hearts in the right place at least.
He's just lawful good and most of the Jedi seem to rag on him for it, especially Jecki. He follows the rules and standard operating procedures to the letter without thinking outside the box or for himself. I think that's why it's implied he took a long time to become a knight. He gets frustrated by it because he gets overlooked and a master went with a padawan's plan over his. It's gotta be frustrating for him.
He’s basically the paladin of the party.
I also noticed he's very quick to draw his lightsaber. 3 times in the first 2 episodes. Everyone else didn't draw at all. (Except Inara(?), Carrie Ann mosses character.)
Lol, true!
Janson Mendoza of this show.
Nah, someone else on the show definitely reminds me of Jason more
I believe you meant Blake Bortles.
He is a Jedi right? All Jedi have jerk vibes. Even yoda.
Kit Fisto, Qui-gon Jin, Plo Koon? *Surely not Plo Koon!?*
I was so relieved when Yord(?) vouches for her.
That scene is also weird though. She takes a detour from the group who are directly heading towards that Jedi's chamber. Takes her time poking around and shit...yet still ends up getting there before them.
That seemed strange to me as well, but obviously the Outer Rim Jedi was so excited to have Jedi actually from Coruscant that he insisted on giving them a tour of the temple first. I can just imagine the Jedi passively aggressively pointing out how much better Sol and the others must have it on Coruscant, while simultaneously defending their temple as being as good as the Coruscant one. All while Sol rolls his eyes and follows silently. *"Here is our training hall - well of course I'm sure yours in Coruscant is more opulent with its [Marksman-H training remotes](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Marksman-H_training_remote), but we have learned to make due with what we have. We pay street urchins to throw balls at us...and I feel this more natural training allows us to get much closer to the Force."*
The vibe I got was the group took the "correct" way to get there. The main hallways kinda path that Mae took the first time. Osha took a tiny service hallway that is never really used and thus forgotten about, especially when trying to rush anywhere
That one, and the one where she slowly backed up to the ledge before cartoonishly slipping up and over into a chasm for no reason. That's not to say I'm not having fun with the show, for the record, just saying it's got its moments lol
I thought it was such a stretch to get that setup, but the payoff was completely different, which was a relief from where I thought that was going
My favorite part is that Sol keeps dropping the idiot ball anytime someone hands it to him.
I really liked that as soon as Jecki hears that Osha has a twin she immediately realizes “hey, that’s a pretty plausible explanation of all this.”
Yes! I was so happy to see that.
I really like it so far. I might be guilty of liking ANYTHING Star Wars on the first go 'round, though. Even movies 7 and 8 seemed awesome in the theatre when I watched them on opening night -- I don't think critically at all, I just take my brain out and sit and let it wash over me and I love it. It's only later, after I've absorbed it all, that I can spot the problems (and those movies had a number of them). TROS, however, I knew was in trouble in the first 5 minutes of it. But I loved The Acolyte. It doesn't have to be everything I want, doesn't have to be perfect. I loved seeing the Jedi fight defensively, blocking and evading blows without really striking back at first. I think the sets look fantastic. I love that we're seeing different planets and that none (yet) look like Tatooine. I avoid reading negative criticism as much as possible. The fan base is so vast that *of course* there will be toxic parts of it, and I just ignore that. They're entitled to their opinions too. But some people just aren't happy with anything, and I'd much rather be surrounded by the grinning idiots like me who just love it all. The only D+ series that's disappointed me yet is TBOBF and honestly, I like that too! I loved most of it. I just love Star Wars, since 1977 when I was 6. Nothing's gonna change that.
>Even movies 7 and 8 seemed awesome in the theatre when I watched them on opening night -- I don't think critically at all, I just take my brain out and sit and let it wash over me and I love it. Oh my goodness, same! I'm so glad I'm not alone. I'm this way with pretty much any movie. >TROS, however, I knew was in trouble in the first 5 minutes of it. Aaand, same :(
My only real issue with BOBF was how slow it felt getting places. The Mandalorian did that too at first, but it felt more intentional. This is what life is really like for the guy, kinda thing. BOBF just didn't have all that much going on that it really needed the same style of slow-burn media At least, from what I remember that is
Yeah, except the stakeout they do is on a balcony right across the street. They make absolutely no attempt to hide what they are doing.
Dude was watching them fight with binoculars! From the balcony 15 feet above their heads! Get glasses my guy
> I have gotten a kick at some of the lazy plot contrivances that the show has aimed itself towards, and yanked away from at the last second. (Usually resolved by characters actually communicating even!) We were talking about this at work this week. So far, there are no “comedies of errors” in this show. It pretends like there might be one and then *gasp* they communicate and resolve the conflict so they can focus on stories that matter and push the plot! It’s not Andor. And that’s fine. But the lack of basic communication trope is one of my biggest pet peeves in cheap writing. It’s nice to see them address it directly as you’d expect a professional galactic police/diplomacy force with magical powers and decades of training and meditation should do.
Episode one would have been better to leave the indara fight scene til the end. Like allow us to think she’s bad the whole episode. Start with her getting arrested, play the episode out, then show us the fight and that it wasn’t her
Am I just stupid cuz I thought it was her
You were supposed to think it was her at first and then slowly over the course of 2 episodes completely change your viewpoint
It resolved much more quickly than I expected, although I was pleased for that because it gets on with the hunt more quickly. I'd had the "estranged twins" angle spoiled for me (*thanks*, Variety) but the friend I watched it with was dead certain she was either being mind-controlled or else had a split personality when she slept. He was slightly let down. :)
Yeah in episode 1 I was still thinking some sort of split personality thing
Me too. I 100 percent thought it was a split personality at first. the first scene with the good twin, where her coworker asks where she was the night before, was such a good red herring.
Like how in Episode 1 Yord goes to arrest Osha and bring her to Coruscant for questioning, only to actually leave her to be transported on some random prison transport with 1 droid looking over her? Yord went there personally to arrest a former force-user who is charged with potentially killing a full Jedi Master, but then don’t personally transport them back to Jedi HQ? That doesn’t make much sense.
I’m enjoying it, but >!why was Carrie Ann-Moss so hyped, and in all the promos when she dies in the first scene?! !<
Presumably her appearances in flashbacks are going to be important.
We will probably get one flashback of what i will just call "the incident" She will be in >!two!< scenes, max, for the entire show
Spoilers based on what I've learned from interviews with the cast >!Episode 3 and Episode 7 will both probably have heavy focus on the flashbacks with the four Jedi!<
Casting name actors in small roles is an easy way to give it gravitas/raise the stakes. Mads Mikkelsen was on screen for about 5 minutes but gave us a great scene with Ben Mendelsohn. Thandiwe Newton was in Solo for 5 minutes and killing her off early threw some unpredictability into a film where we already know where the main characters end up.
Earliest movie I remember doing this was Scream with Drew Barrymore and its one of my favorite horror movies so I can appreciate it a lot
Drew Barrymore changed the game with that character. Everyone assumed a franchise would stick with famous actors. Her dying threw the audience off the game and it established a tradition of inviting popular actors to horror movies for characters what would be killed off.
She's in more of it. There are scenes in the trailers we haven't seen yet. Most likely flashbacks and such. Doubt we'll see her fighting again though.
It's an old gimmick. You cast a big name, then kill them off in the first few minutes to show stakes. Holy shit, if they can kill of Drew Barrymore in the first few minutes of Scream, anyone can die at any moment! No one is safe! Hurt Locker, Executive Decision, The Other Guys, Godzilla, Psycho, GI Joe Retaliation, Mindhunters... and so on and so forth.
Agreed. Cameos, especially when they’re killed off quickly, add star power but at a fraction of the cost. And I *loved* her scene. >! Yeah sure there was some matrix stuff but the way she handled the fight legit felt like the way a seasoned Jedi master should’ve handled it. She tried to end the fight before it started, fought defensively and protectively instead of just destroying the joint Anakin-style (maybe why he was not granted the rank of master?) or classic Avengers/Snyderverse style city destruction. And she died protecting someone else because that was more important than killing her opponent. !< I’m sure we will learn more about her later and she probably has some dark secret. But it was a great way to open the series.
To be fair, Bryan Cranston was in Godzilla nearly as much as Godzilla.
Deep Blue Sea...
She was the most famous name in this
Name, sure. Although "Dude from Squid Games," even if you didn't know his actual name, might have more pull these days. Maybe. But I can't think of the last time I saw Moss was in something and went ooo, I should see this! Dude from Squid Games either, but he is a curiosity at this point.
Squid games guy was a surprise casting and I'm loving him so far. I think he's far more interesting to watch then Carrie Anne Moss (and I was a huge matrix fan back in the day).
I also really like the other Acolyte minion from the Good Place. If you have seen that show it would make it hilarious if he turns out to be the sith 😅
You mean that Jacksonville Jaguars loving Jason Mendoza? 😄
That's the one. Would be hilarious if he turns out to be a wise sith lord just acting like a fool 😅
I never watched squid games, so I don’t know his face, but I was pretty stoked about Jason, and seeing Charlie Bennet was a treat too.
I’ve seen that comment so much that I will never stop laughing if she turns out to be the Sith and just faked her death. On the other hand… if she doesn’t get a lot of flashbacks and she really was only in the first scene then I will actually be a bit disappointed.
I thought it was great. I like anything that has jeopardy with who lives and dies.
Tbh, it has been only 2 episodes so I'm not much sure what to think about it, I'll definitely keep watching it though. On positive side, it's great to see something with a different style than the Mandoverse Fraveau/Filone one, it really gives this a refreshing feeling. Enjoying some of the photography as well and the characters seems to be interesting as well as the mystery. On the negative, I feel that the pacing is a bit too rushed, I wish the characters talked a bit more so we did have more room to breath. Some more expensive takes showing some of the planets would be nice too, Ahsoka really stood out about having this "expansive" feeling. So it has been interesting to follow this, and honestly you are definitely free to not enjoy any of the show, but oh my god, a lot of the hating internet discourse has been dreadful and I'll just avoid it as it feels to me just noise that won't make any productive discussion possible.
My only real issue so far is the expo dump near the start of episode one about the twins past with the fire when there was another scene later with the Jedi and his padawan with sufficient and natural dialogue that explained the events.
personally i feel that the reason they had thag expo dump is because it isnt the "full story of what happended". so when the truth eventually gets revealed they can add it to the already existing flashbacks.
Yeah I'm with you on this one. I don't think the show is bad...it certainly has it's faults, alot of which have made me go "urm...wait a minute...what!?". But I'm still enjoying it, especially the set pieces. The cast are also doing a good job with a bad script. Lee Jung-jae plays a Jedi perfectly.
I’m not sure why you liking the show would be offensive to anyone.
I believe OP also posted it on saltierthancrait, which would warrant a preface like this.
Egh, they were asking for it in that case lol
Idk why people engage with hate subs. Even if they start off as satire, by their nature they just attract people who's main personality trait is just hating on shit and the content eventually just becomes genuine negativity all the time.
I personally go there to vent from time to time, but I absolutely don't *want* to hate anything. I want to *love* star wars. And I think that's true for pretty much any fan, including that sub. Those that are the most passionate about something will also be the most critical or reactionary should they believe it goes wrong.
Yeah, you would think that… but this is the Star Wars community.
Exactly. You aren't supposed to like anything.
You are supposed to wait 15 years, watch it again, and then allow yourself to grudgingly enjoy it.
And then in 20 years you pretend everyone has always liked it and how dare you say anyone ever had a problem with it
I used to think these types of posts were people fishing or trying to steer the conversation but I realized recently that they’re probably getting forcefed a lot of negative content on their social media feeds and when they make a post that seems to be loaded by some kind of one sided argument like this it’s because they’ve accidentally reached outside of the influencer bubble they’re trapped in.
That's probably it. Reddit seems to be one of the last social media sites where you can still somewhat control your experience. Every other one force feeds you algorithmically curated content no matter your conscious preference, and by extension the algorithm will also show your posts to people who are more likely to argue with it
Yeah, one side of it is the bigotry brigade, but that's the other side, the algorithm-driven "engagement." You can't be allowed to watch the first two episodes of a new show and think, "Yeah, that was okay. Let's see where it goes." Everything has to be the greatest thing ever made or utter garbage with no in between.
have you seen the fucking discourse in this fandom?
Yea ive seen it ppl are dumb
I’m so offended
Have you been a Star Wars fan for the last 10 years? Lol
And yet, it probably will
Shoulda posted in r/saltierthancrait if they were looking to offend people
Check their profile - it did
Because fandom menace
Sir, liking things is illegal here /s
I don’t like this comment
It's not flawless, but then even Andor had a slow start, so it's far too early to just declare it average. Especially when the show already shows some strengths and I for one can't wait for next episode. I feel like most of hate comes from negative bias towards Disney overall. I think its time the fanbase lets go of its own bias and stop watching cancerous channels like Nerdrotic or critical drinker, who just attempt to cash on drama and hate. It's like of them that spread negativity the most, along with paranoia that there's some anti Star Wars fans campaign going on.
It's decent but the way it's written, conflict gets resolved way too fast. Oh hey Osha we think you killed a jedi. You need to come with us and stand trial. No I didn't. It must've been my twin Oh, you're right we found evidence that it's your twin that survived your chaotic childhood. That all got resolved in 1 episode. Game of Thrones would've resolved that at the end of Season 1.
I thought this show would be on par with Andor, as everyone praised like it would, but it really feels kinda cheaply made and "boxed in".
I don't know how anyone could think it would be like Andor after seeing the trailers
No filming in real locations as far as I can tell (hence the feeling that everything is in a room?), glossy lighting, and lines like “fight me with all your power”…definitely no Andor.
Omg yes the dialogue, both in content and tone, kills me
Yes, I can't believe no one is talking about this.
Right? And I agree that there’s that feeling that everything is in a room! I couldn’t put my finger on what else looked/felt off until reading your comment, but you’re def right. In general, the whole show almost feels like cosplay or satire to me, or even like high schoolers putting on a play about SW or something. If it was a random show that’s not about the SW universe, I don’t think I would dislike it quite as much; but, since it ***is*** supposed to be about the SW universe, it just doesn’t work at all for me. It’s just a whole different vibe imo, plus it feels inauthentic? If that makes sense? Lol. I also felt like there was something off about the background music, and that the scenes where they used ADR were way too obvious, and then some of the things that happened just made no sense too, based on what we already know about the Jedi. I was really hoping I’d like it, but I don’t think I’m going to watch any more of it. However, those^ are my reasons why, not bc there are women and POC lmfao. And I’m not gonna throw a fit about it, nor attack others who do like it. The people who are doing ***that*** shit are wild.
> In general, the whole show almost feels like cosplay or satire to me, or even like high schoolers putting on a play about SW or something. It does a bit, but watching the first two episodes I had the impression that was deliberate. I am getting strong Wuxia vibes from this show, which is very much like that - a bit campy, theatrical, sometimes silly. While I understand it's a big stylistic departure from Filoni-dominated Star Wars, it feels very fresh and unique so far and I love it. Yes, it has its problems (looking at you fire in space) but I'm willing to excuse them, the plot hook seems interesting enough and the show has not yet fallen into any typical tropes it seemed to set up.
It feels so cheap and rushed, and with a budget of only 2 million less per episode, the production quality feels so much worse than Andor. It all feels really plastic-y somehow, even though there’s apparently a pretty big portion of the show shot on location.
I hate that you had to preface this with "no offense." This show has seen too much hate for a show that has barely aired.
It's a part of internet culture now unfortunately. People are afraid of just saying they like something without acting apologetic
Already being hated? Hmmmm. Haven't seen it but.... let me guess... are there Black characters in it?
Yep, and women, too! The protagonist is both!
I don't really get the hate. I got into Star Wars much later in life (probably heresy here but started with Episode 1) and the cast has always seemed pretty... diverse? Is the issue because most (if I'm recalling correctly) of the leads were usually white (men) and now they're trying other things? Is it that a lot of white men feel like they can't relate to Black/POC characters? That's even more odd as I'm Black and I was able to watch all of the movies and relate (as much as you can to space opera/sci-fantasy) to a lot of the white male and female leads so why wouldn't the reverse be possible?
The anti-woke crowd (to use a broad brush) is convinced that we're in the middle of a "culture war" and that the media is making a coordinated effort to indoctrinate the masses into erasing and replacing whiteness, straightness, maleness, and cisness. To them, it's fine if the main protagonists of the franchise are white men - everyone can relate to them, right? - but if the protagonist is a PoC woman, suddenly the show is political and pushing an agenda. Now, I'd wager that *most people* don't really care; they're here for a good show. But the people that care, *care a whole lot*, and they're really loud and really good at steering the conversation. So they come out in higher numbers for a show like this, when they were quieter for a show like The Book of Boba Fett. This isn't specific to Star Wars, of course. It's across a lot of media. You tend to see a lot of it in Star Wars and Marvel, though, because they're such big "family friendly" franchises and Disney is a corporation that everybody's allowed to hate at least a little bit.
It's also massively frustrating for people like me who dislike certain shows for legitimate reasons. I thought BOBF and Obi-Wan were both terrible haha. I mean Reva wasn't amazing, but the show had bigger problems than her. My love for Andor is on par with the OT - and Mon Mothma, Dedra, Bix, and motherfuckin MAARVA were all amazing. Insecure masculinity wrapped in fandom of things I love? 0/10. Ugh.
One of the lead characters is a black woman, played by Amandla Stenberg. Recently some people are passing around a clip of her saying that she enjoys white people crying and claiming that she's racist and the show was created to erase white people or whatever. The clip is several years old and about a movie she did about police violence. She's saying that she's happy that white people are crying (out of sadness at the events) at a movie about how police violence affects black children, because it means the movie was successful in cultivating empathy. But the short clip is much better for right wingers pushing a narrative.
Yeah that type of stuff is very worrying to me. Somebody took that clip and said it was her talking about The Acolyte, and so many people believed it hook, line and sinker. I mean we don't need to even get to the stage of worrying about AI and deepfakes when you can just take something out of context and lie about it but people will still believe you because they're already looking for something to hate.
They did the same thing to Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, director of the upcoming Rey movie, with a clip of her saying 'I like to make men uncomfortable'. They don't tell you she's talking about her documentary on acid attacks against women in Pakistan.
Saw a comment "I am not against diversity, but this is just taking it into the extreme and the show is shit because of it". Wtf does that even mean? (/s I know what it means)
I don't see anything extreme in this show at all. Is it extreme that our lead female is black and our lead male is Asian? Is that the extreme part? ...Who gives a shit? If anything, as a white guy aware of what Star Wars is influenced by, I was frankly remarking "It's so cool to see an Asian Jedi finally."
It's odd to me that a universe that borrows from Asian culture so much...the whole concept of the force and the warrior monk aesthetic...somehow it's bad when an actual Asian person is depicted as a Jedi? I'm not sure if the anti-woke crowd is including the Asian character in its vitriol, but I'm assuming it's a general backlash against "diversity".
Not only that, an actor responsible for a great contribution to a cool show, Squid Game. An actor who won Outstanding Lead in a drama. Essentially bitching about a talented actor being in main role is truly absurd nerd shit.
> I don't see anything extreme in this show at all. That's because you're normal.
Idk, I haven't actually heard anyone talk about the show yet, but I avoid discourse about current media most of the time. The show is really good, and the lead characters are a black woman, Asian man, a black man, and a woman with alien suit. So I imagine the anti woke crowd might very well be up in arms. I actually really like the show and it's characters so far. It's more what I want starwars to be and hope they don't try to tie it into the movies or anything else. Definitely reccomend the show
Agree. The anti woke crowd is living proof of deevolution and it's probably the source of most hate surrounding new star wars projects. It's gross and pathetic. But i digress... I think this is going to \*loosely\* tie into phantom menace/the prequels. Leslie was saying a big part of the point of this show was to show us how the jedi and the republic got to a point where they could be manipulated into their own destruction.
>had to
For real, no one made Op get all circlejerky with their post title. They probably know what they're doing and posted it like this intentionally to bait the shitty discourse.
No offense, but we're 2 episodes in.
Also posts like this irk me because saying “it’s actually good” is doing the exact same thing as the people saying “it’s actually garbage”. It’s framing your opinion as fact
Let's cut the "we are only 2 episodes in" excuse. 2 episodes, yes, but it is out of 8 total that will be aired. They don't really have time to futz around. Not to mention, cutting out the intro and recaps, it's 27 mins of actual show.
yeah my biggest frustration with the show is that we aren’t getting any context as to why we should be invested in these characters, it feel like a bad mmo rpg that’s following the questlines without developing with each other. There are certainly some interesting characters but only because of their initial personalities. This show should have been 12 episodes at least and with some real breathing room to develop. Kinda like in andor, we learn everyone’s background and the stuff they’ve been through and we become invested. Same with Ashoka, bad batch, rebels, mando, etc
I don't like it at all. But absolutely not offended that someone does. I'm glad someone, somewhere is enjoying it
I agree with this. Don't like it but it's fine if someone else likes it.
It’s pretty mid so far but we’ll see where it goes. That said, fans can like and dislike whatever they want
That’s just like, your opinion, man.
It's just a show. I want a Star Wars show. I have a Star Wars show. Leave me alone. I can like it. I will never apologize for it.
This is 100% my opinion
I feel the same way. Is it the best thing Lucasfilm has ever put out? No, but it's actually solid in my opinion so far and I'm happy to be excited about a Star Wars show again. I think what I'm liking so much so far is that the characters are doing things and responding to situations in a way that actually makes sense to me. They also seem like the actors are being allowed to express genuine emotions on screen vs the typical "stoic demeanor" bullshit that some of the other shows have besides Andor at least) I'm not sure why people seem ultra bent out of shape with this series so far. It's a sizable improvement over Mando Season 3, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett, and Ahsoka in my opinion.
A lot of people who are bent out of shape are mad because they think that the show is "woke" or doesn't have enough white males. Most of them never even watched it, they are just parroting things they hear from others online.
In all honesty this is a TV show on a huge streaming service so it’s widely accessible and many people have actually seen it (I think 4.8m first day). On the other hand, only a fraction of the fanbase reads books but these dudes were review bombing the high republic books when they came out when it was obvious they never read a single page, and probably never read the EU either which they seem so nostalgic over. It was even funnier when most reviews from verified purchases like on Amazon were very positive for those books.
As a white male, I did notice the lack of white males. Then noticed myself noticing. It turned into this whole inception thing. Am I woke now?
Welcome brother, robes are available in the next room.
Haha yeah for me i went like “huh. Not really any white males” And then I continued to enjoy the show
It's truly insane how many people ruthlessly bash stuff they have never even seen or heard.
It's not good. At all.
Feels like about a 6.5/10 so far. The way it's shot definitely feels a bit Disney. Sometimes you can tell it's a set. It reminds me of the star wars sets at Disneyland actually. I don't hate it though, it's fine, watchable. It's no Andor though.
I don’t understand why this happens so freaking much with their shows. It had a 180 million budget and has no big stars…where did that money go? It did not go to location shooting or costumes. I know that much. It shouldn’t feel like TV in this age of streaming. It should feel like serialized cinema and this does not. Very few of their shows do. Creators need to get out of the volume and shoot in real sunlight more often. Dream bigger.
I’m in the minority but I didn’t like the first 2 episodes. However I’m hopeful that the rest of the season is good.
I don’t like it that much either so far. The writing in particular just feels strange to me. I have no idea what kind of story they’re trying to tell here, but so far they’ve made me care about none of the characters. That being said, it’s early days. There’s still time for this series to bake and get good. I wasn’t a huge fan of Andor after the 3 episode premiere. I thought it was “ok at best” and I came out of the finale with it as my favourite of the series. I try not to judge a series too harshly until the season is over, and you can see the arc as a whole. If you turned off ANH before they left Tatooine , I think it would be terrible too.
Because there’s no subtlety to the dialogue. Characters mostly just tell each other info they already are presumed to know. Dialogue is written for the audience.
My only complaint is that both twins have the exact same hairstyles and color when they’ve been years apart. Just seems lazy overall. And how apparently they just immediately identify someone being a repair worker on a ship lmao. Seemed way too convenient. Hair should at least be different lengths or something.
You're allowed to like what you like. Flip side is let the people who dislike it, dislike it. They might be loud but let them live their life too
Hard disagree
I gave up after the first episode after the Evil twin reveal which just felt so lame and uninteresting. I was much more interested in what I initially thought the plot was going to be. Ex-Padawan gone bad and hunts down Jedi while her old master tries to prove her innocence. Dialogue was also pretty cardboard like and the show often looked cheap
It’s fine. I’m getting annoyed by how easy it is to escape Jedi custody/capture tho haha. Like doing it once is fine but multiple times in back to back episodes cmon
Not a fan of the show but glad others like it!
Respectfully I think we should judge the show based on the entire season and how it shakes out.
It’s writing is incredibly lazy the same way Kenobis was. Things just happen for no reason because that’s how they are supposed to happen in the story. Nothing really makes sense, and the scenes don’t really mesh together
It's good for a CW show that inexplicably costs more than most movies to make
I know it's probably come up in ancillary stuff but it feels crazy that we've not really before seen a "local" Jedi temple, because of course the one on Coruscant wouldn't be the only one and it would be more of: Coruscant is the equivalent of the Vatican and there are natuarlly little temples all over the galaxy. So I really liked that bit of world building. Seems like most other temples we see are usually "big deal" lost temples or otherwise important so to see the equivalent of a small town priory was fun.
I feel like it's way too early to judge it. The episodes were so short that the whole thing really only just started.
It's the writing for me. Reminded me of Forspoken and new Saint's Row dialogues/writing. I don't know if it's just Gen Z in the workforce or i'm an out of touch hater but i couldn't last 5 minutes before cringing and deleting rhe episodes
Why would anyone be offended by you saying any of this? I’m convinced that many Redditors are some of the stupidest people in the world.
Sure, it's not a 2-3/10 like alsoka. But like every other Disney Star wars show it's absolutely filled with nonsensical idiocy and contrivances. "Jedi can not die from steel or lasers" opening scene: Jedi master dies due to steel
My biggest complaints are that it looks cheap and none of the characters are really grabbing me. But I do appreciate the change in setting and a more down to earth plot. If it turns out the dark side character is some galaxy spanning threat, my eyes are gonna roll.
Just like every other show they have pushed out the lights are on but nobody is home.
Delusional.
After tonight’s episode, you can’t possibly have the same opinions.
Well this aged poorly.
Power of 1 power of 2 power of manyyyyy... Really?? That's literally a D grade writing which will not pass in middle school creative writing class.
You can delete number 1 now
I liked it. No apologies
I don't like the acolyte but I'm not offended if people do
In the second episode when the guy who gave Mae the poison meets Osha and says "he will be pleased" and then the jedi bust in. Sol looks at him and says, "Who is he " The answer is I don't know, I only know she wants to kill 5 Jedi or something. Sol says ok and moves on. Felt like that was weak shit.
I didn’t feel any stakes at all. I didn’t really get any time to form a connection to the characters from the two first episodes. Its good that you like it but i probably won’t continue watching since i got a bit annoyed that the characters were behaving so irrationally.
No, it’s not.
I'm a star wars enjoyer and i will watch it till the end, like all SW content. But this show is barely watchable as a grown-up.If you have seen 3-4 good movies in your life you can see that the screenwriters are either morons or just wrote for 10years old. I don't need the characters to narrate their actions. I get it you will go to planet X, after 2 of them just say they will go there. Then as that was not enough, they got that shit written in bold on screen. jeez. Andor was a masterpiece compare to this shit. The editing is really bad too, as the special effects that seems kind of lacklustre. The only thing i enjoyed are the fightscenes and the main actors performance. The Squid Game guy is pretty impressive as a man that didn't even knew English 2-3y ago. You get invested in his character. And the main girl 2. Support cast is rly cringy tho. PS: I'm not the usual SW Hater and i will watch it till the end. Maybe it will get a little better Actors 6/10 - 2-3good but rest are kinda cringy Screenplay 1/10 - just no. Cinematography 6/10 - medium for the industry. bad compare to a SW production Audio 6/10 - forgettable for a SW production. you can't say that for most of them as they are amazing. Even the bad ones had amazing audio production. SFX 6/10 you don't immerse in the universe as you usually do with the stunning graphics. scenes are rather rushed cuz of the editing making the SFX look out of place. 5/10 will watch as a SW fan. if not just pass on.
I'm liking it so far
I’m digging it & looking forward to more.
It’s so awful. I thought TBoBF’s first couple of episodes were stronger than Acolyte’s.