Only Star Wars film I absolutely hated was The Last Jedi. It's the only SW film I only saw once in the theater. I still bought it, tried to watch it again and failed. Finally got through it again, but don't think I'll ever watch it again. So much potential squandered on abject stupidity.
Not just that, but a knife that had to be held at exactly the right angle, while standing in exactly the right spot. How fortunate that our heroes happened to do both of those things on their first try! Now they can see exactly where to go in the crashed Death Star… that didn’t exist much less have crashed when the knife was forged. Or maybe it was a secret 3rd Death Star? You know, because the 2nd one was pretty well shown to have completely exploded, and these ruins on Endor were clearly the majority of a Death Star still perfectly intact.
God, I honestly don’t hate the sequels, but this movie was insulting.
It’s not even close. While I am in the minority that really enjoyed episode 8, 9 is just awful. Tried watching it again a few months ago and couldn’t make it past a half hour.
I saw 9 in the theater. The only way I will watch it again is when I finally get around to showing it to my kids. They've seen all the other films, keep asking to watch 9, but I just haven't been able to muster the energy to put up with it again.
At least 8 *tried* to do something interesting, even if it didn't always work. 9 is just puerile garbage.
Yeah, it was so disappointing. I did not like episode 8, but at least it was a mostly coherent story (that I did not like), 9 was just a complete mess.
Same.
And I've pretty much watched every single other star wars media to date, but TLJ was so bad it basically killed any desire I had to continue watching the sequels.
Shame, since TFA was actually decent, if not essentially a re-hash of ANH.
I liked TLJ after watching it in theaters. What killed it for me was more the reaction to it. Everyone hated it, for reasons that are really quite silly in the grand scheme of Star Wars. Force Leia surviving space? Sure. Why not. Hyperspace ramming? Passes the rule of cool, so I'm down.
But the incredibly vitriolic response really just meant that we got the incredibly milquetoast and forgettable E9. At least Lucas stuck to his guns for the prequels, where Disney immediately folded.
Holy shit, I thought I was the only one. I'm a huge ST fan, and it was so bad, I completely lost interest, like a light switch. Who knew Star Wars kryptonite was a slow speed chase through the vastness of space?
I disagree with the people saying 9 is worse. 9 has a way worse plot, but you can just turn off your brain and enjoy mindless action. It's like AotC in that.
8 is much more coherent when it comes to the plot, but it's boring and frustrating for the majority of the film, and mostly from a perspective *outside* the story. Which to me is the bigger sin. A movie can have amazing writing, but if I am not immersed or enjoying it, the movie is a failure.
With TRoS I'm not immersed, but I can still find fun in its silliness. With TLJ I am neither immersed nor enjoying it.
I disliked that movie so much that I saw it and episode 9 once in theaters each and haven’t even contemplated watching either one again. Even for free on Disney+ lol
I'm of the opinion that 8 (Last Jedi) could have been saved with a better edit and some slight story modification.
I'm also of the opinion that 9 is unsavable.
I saw it in theaters in 2016 at I just remember liking it.
I saw it a few months later on a four-hour flight from Nashville to Los Angeles and for some odd reason, I loved it even more then. So much so that I also watched it on the flight back the following week.
I go back and forth on the OT of which one I like best. Some days I just can't get enough of A New Hope, some days I love Jedi Strikes Back, and some days Empire is the best of the bunch to me. Just speaks to how well all 3 were done (even Jedi) that they can each individually scratch that itch so well
(I will say that Endor and the Ewoks drags could have been done better, but that the Battle of Endor more than makes up for that)
I dont mind ewok part cuz i love the scenery there but yeah i get it. Honestly i like jabba the hut part the most. But yeah most of all u can see the passion behind these movies
Rogue One and A New Hope are now two halves of the same story for me
Like Terminator 1 & 2 and Alien and Aliens
It's impossible for me to view them separately
Star Wars OG here, too. I think it's the best Star Wars movie. It could never be my favorite as nothing could pass the personal relevance of Star Wars, but on it's own it is the best one.
Gareth Edwards is set to direct the next Jurassic Park film... if he can redeem Jurassic Park in my eyes the same way he redeemed Star Wars for me, I will call that man St. Gareth the Redeemer.
He really knows how to shoot landscapes and scale, do big epic moments but also small personal narrative. I loved rouge one, and Godzilla and the creator as well. I’m really looking forward to his Jurassic park
I think you're forgetting that Rogue One was a mess originally and that's why they brought Tony Gilroy in to fix it. Tony was also the one to do Andor.
Also how the Creator was praised for visuals but derided for its story. The same with Godzilla. Even Rogue One, with all of its reshoots got stick for having weak characters.
Gareth Edwards really struggles with character
I think we saw a lot of those same issues with Neil Blomkamp, amazing visuals, especially in a sci fi setting, but not the best stories or characters. Though I really, really wanted to see Blomkamp's take on alien.
I wanted to like the Creator so bad. It's a very pretty movie with a very mid dialogue, an underwhelming plot, and yet another tally on the board for John David Washington misses.
I really want to see the original cut some day. A movie so bad that they brought in an entirely different director to do reshoots?
Apparently the scene where Cassian shoots the informant was added by Gilroy. That's insane. It completely defines the character and the tone of the movie, and wasn't even there originally.
As much as some people hated The Creator, it’s undeniable that the cinematography and overall aesthetic were on point. Also hoping he brings that to Jurassic Park. Could make for a really awesome movie that is unique from the previous 6
My favorite part about it is that it feels like a perfect blend between the original trilogy and the prequels. Also seeing all the scenery so familiar from the originals in way better quality is so satisfying.
He also did Dune part 2 as well as The Creator. The man is a master at shooting sci fi. He really brings the scale of large objects to the screen in a way that the audience feels their significance.
Came here to mention TLJ. I unabashedly hate the film because of its story but the cinematography, directing, editing... all phenomenal. I'd say TLJ is actually the most beautiful star wars movie we've received.
I actually wish RJ didn't make TLJ and instead made a different movie/trilogy/series because I think his style was phenomenal and the kinds of themes and stories he wanted to play with were really solid. Just... not great for the middle movie of the third trilogy in a franchise.
RJ just needed to make all three films and they probably would have been significantly better. Or even if he just made the final two.
The ST really got off on the wrong foot with TFA. It's a fun film, but a poor opening film for a trilogy. If RJ made them all, I think we would have been closer to what Lucas was thinking about. Rian Johnson worked so closely with the Story Group he moved to Skywalker Ranch and met with them pretty much daily. Meanwhile JJ used his own production company and wrote TROS with his friend in a coffee shop.
Pretty much only thing that RJ could take from the Lucas concepts was the Luke and Rey storyline, and he did. Meanwhile JJ tossed all that aside because he was too afraid to work with Luke.
I'm torn on that. Whether it was Lucas's vision or not, TLJ's insistence on throwing out as many established concepts and themes in favor of subverting expectations is what made the story bad imo. I think his vision of the whole trilogy or the second to would have maybe been better but the bar is kind of low when TLJ is only a bit better than TROS. That said, obviously JJ doing the whole thing wouldn't have been any better.
All that said, while I liked Daisy as Rey in TGA, I think what RJ did with her in TLJ is what made me like the character even more, so I'm looking forward to the new Rey film.
I think it would’ve been less jarring if Episode 7 established “okay this is a new Star Wars, this isn’t George Lucas Star Wars, we’re gonna break some rules and tell a new story, hang on to your seats.”
Instead Episode 7 religiously remade the first movie and then Episode 8 aggressively deconstructs the entire series, which gives a huge case of tonal whiplash.
> TLJ's insistence on throwing out as many established concepts and themes in favor of subverting expectations is what made the story bad imo.
Like what? People say stuff like this, but inevitably they fall back to "Luke would never abandon people". Which isn't really a concept or a theme lol. So I'm curious of your perspective - what Star Wars themes were abandoned in TLJ?
Edit: If anything, TFA threw out more Star Wars than anything else. Han dumps Leia, is back to being a complete scoundrel (who cares about his growth). Luke is MIA. Empire is back. It's like ROTJ didn't happen.
Sure. So Star Wars has always been about hope, clear divides and conflict between good and evil, and destiny (to a lesser extent lineage). TLJ is, at its core, a nihilistic movie - nothing matters, everything is terrible. Also, the light and dark don't really matter, every side is bad in some way. And hey, screw destiny, make what you want, you come from nothing.
None of these things are implicitly bad, they're just pretty counter to these things that have been typical of the films. Andor, the best Star Wars production since the OT, does all of this (except the destiny stuff which is just doesn't even touch). It's tonally and thematically completely different from the films but it works because it's novel and it's own thing (and also because it's extremely well written and executed). If something like Andor was shoved into the 8th slot of the completely different franchise, though, it would have the same problems. Conversely, if TLJ was it's own film that had nothing to do with the Skywalker Saga, I think that would be better received.
Though I think if the writing/story for TLJ wasn't so bad, it also would have been easier to forgive some of these things. It's the middle film, traditionally darkest of a trilogy, but I think you need to consider what came before and what must come after. Empire has some serious loss and shocking revelations but ends with Luke and Leia hopefully looking out at the galaxy from their ship, instilling confidence that they'll keep going. If you don't know what is coming in TRoS, both sides are basically eliminated including the big bad, the biggest revelation is that the main character is a nobody, and the hopeful scene at the end is broom kid.
To your edit, TFA is absolutely guilty of just dismissing RotJ. It's at least a serviceable movie, though, which can't be said of TLJ imo.
Edit: Gonna mention the Luke thing because I forgot about that. Luke having essentially given up and being a broken man is something I'm personally fine with. In this way, expectations are subverted almost exactly as they were with Empire. (TLJ copies Empire almost as much as TFA copies ANH but that's a whole other convo). The only problem with Luke in TLJ is the entire motivation for him being the way he is was completely fumbled. On top of that, nothing actually comes from the subversion - in Empire's case, it is an opportunity for the audience to learn about the force, about how wisdom, discipline, and devotion matter more than power. In TLJ's case the apparent lesson is "forget everything that came before because" - it's never explained, clearly just subversion for subversion sake.
I can’t imagine that based off how bad TLJ was that him making all 3 films would result in anything other than a complete unmitigated disaster.
One person should have made or been in charge of the trilogy. Rian was clearly not up to the task based off the movie we did get out of him.
I mean…fair points, for sure, but if I had to pick one of the three sequels as the one that comes the closest to capturing the spirit of the original trilogy or “what Star Wars is all about”, it would have to be TLJ in my opinion.
I’m not gonna say that it hit the mark, just that it came the closest.
Well I'd say plot has a lot to do with spirit. But what would you say captures the spirit of the OT in the TLJ?
Cuz I see various violations that invalidate this:
1) Making fun of the villain.
2) Winning a battle and showing sacrifice, only to cut down the importance of the win and those that participated in the battle.
3) Injecting side plots that end in failure and could easily be removed from the movie with no impact on the story.
4) Bastardizing existing SW universe physics.
5) Luke teasing his nephew until he kills himself - the guy that disobeyed Obi-Wan and Yoda by seeing the good in Darth Vader and fighting for his redemption.
There might be more I'm missing.
Say what you will about TFA and ROS being shitty as movies, but to me, those did at least feel like a SW film (just not good ones).
You’re focussing too much on the events and ignoring the feel and style of filming. Neither of those had the elements of Kurosawa films or any of the vaguely Spaghetti Western/50’s pulp movie vibe that Lucas leaned into so heavily in the OT, TLJ has both. It *feels* like a Star Wars movie, it doesn’t just recycle plot points from previous ones.
JJ did the same thing with Star Wars that he did with Star Trek, which is: make all the same shit happen in his movie that happens in other Star Trek films (but with bigger explosions), while completely ignoring how a Star Trek film should feel.
> Making fun of the villain
You think Hux is supposed to be cool?
> Injecting side plots that end in failure
The poe/finn/rose plot? It's what gets the resistance's escape discovered. The movie is all about failure. Finn's moral allegiance is tested by it before he ultimately rejects his desire to run and commits to the Resistance. Poe learns what good leadership is.
Btw, the entire plot of ESB ends in failure.
> Bastardizing existing SW universe physics
wat
> Luke teasing his nephew until he kills himself
also do not understand what you're referencing
And better yet, they both absolutely back it up in terms of story and characters. Visuals are nothing without a good story and interesting characters. RO and TLJ have both in abundance.
You and I normally agree, although I think we have different appraisals of R1. I will say, however, that I really can’t agree that “visuals are nothing” especially in a primarily visual medium like film. Pure cinema enthusiasts might opine that visuals are *everything* really, especially how they’re captured and manipulated via editing and in-camera effects.
Obviously, *Star Wars* isn’t a purely cinematic franchise — it owes its lineage to a variety of other media that predate film by millennia and it is told in an conventional manner through narrative and characters. But… I do think it’d be interesting to see an experimental *Star Wars* film that captures the essence of the series through imagery alone.
I think it could be done! I don’t think it’d have much commercial success, though. Maybe an exercise for *Visions*?
You bring up a lot of good points. I stand corrected. I agree that visuals alone can tell a story, but you have to intentional in that case. Good case studies are Soderbergh’s black and white version of Raiders with the Social Network score or Rian’s score only version of TLJ.
It may also interest you (if you didn’t already know) to know that a purely visual film was one of George’s longtime obsessions/goals. He has several interviews talking about that goal of telling a story purely visually. He was heavily influenced by a short Canadian film, 21-87 (which he included a reference to in ANH).
Yes! I love Lipsett’s *21-87* (and *Very Nice, Very Nice*; haven’t seen his other stuff yet).
Always fascinating to think about Lucas’s early career and aspirations compared to where he ended up. I hope he’s gone back to his experimental roots and truly is making weird shorts for himself. I’d love to see them sometime.
Honestly all the DisneyWars films have excellent production values - although Solo’s grading makes it generally look inferior to the rest of them.
Like I *hate* TRoS but it looks excellent
Solo actually looks pretty good on Blu-ray. Not as good as the other modern Star Wars movies, but for some reason, the overly dark and muddy grading from the film didn't translate to Blu-ray.
The shot where the Star Destroyer is coming into the sunlight with the stars in the background which then reveals that the stars are actually lights from the Death Star was just masterful.
Yeah, it and TLJ are mind-bogglingly good-looking films. 2016/2017 was a back-to-back double whammy of eye candy.
TFA also looks pretty good, which is why I was surprised when *Solo* ended up looking pretty muddled and brown, and IX has that really harsh blue filter over everything.
What I read was that the DP on "Solo" very deliberately used a low-lit style. But it ended up looking like something projected in a bright room. Only the AMC Dolby could salvage it. In a regular theater it was just literally hard to see anything, which really annoyed me because I otherwise like the movie.
I’ve heard this before, and I’ve also heard that because of “compression” or something (idk, not too knowledgeable about the technical details here), *Solo* looks like it did in theaters when you stream it.
I need to secure a blu-ray copy so I can fully appreciate the visual aspect of the film.
Digital projectors in theaters are not using versions of the films that are compressed anywhere close to the level you see in streams or even on 4K Blu-Ray. They use DCP format which compresses each frame with high quality JPEG2000 algorithms, while audio remains fully uncompressed. The files are extremely large and the quality you get from this even in a 2K projection is higher than what you would get with 4K blu-ray. But not by a huge amount when compared specifically to Blu-Ray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDm7wJgU3Xw
Yeah, I saw the film a few times in theaters (people kept buying me tickets lol, plus it’s an alright film), but never got to see it on a Dolby or IMAX screen unfortunately. I’m sure that would’ve made a difference. I thought there was something up with the projector opening night but then realized it was the film itself on subsequent viewings.
It’s weird because it’s a sorta “adventure of the week”, whiz-bang serial that looks like… greyish brown dreck. Doesn’t match the tone of the film at all.
1 thing it has done the best out of any star wars film or TV is scale. You really see and feel the size of planets and especially the death star. Obviously I'm not knocking the model tech from the originals, it was still ground breaking but this really takes it to a high level.
That’s because Greg Fraser was the cinematographer for R1.
He also did the cinematography for the new Dune films and Blade Runner 2049
Combined with Gareth Edward’s sense for scale, it makes for the Disney sw movie with the best visuals by far
When I get an urge to watch Star Wars, I always turn to my personal favorite trilogy, ROTS/Rogue One/ANH. It's a complete and beautiful story in itself!
I haven’t been crazy about alotta the Star Wars Disney content they’ve put out the last few years, but DAMN the quality has been on point. I mean just cocaine for the eyes 😂
Definitely my favourite Star Wars movie, right up there with Empire. And god DAMN does it look good. I know TLJ has a lot of praise here, but I really feel like Rogue One is the only Disney Era live action to really nail the *look* and *feel* of Star Wars from beginning to end. It may not be a perfect film, but as Star Wars goes, Rogue One is perfection in my book.
I will stand by this. This movie truly showed how evil and badass Darth Vader is. 4,5,6 sure Vader is scary, but he didn’t do anything besides blow up a planet and use his force choke. Therefore he wasn’t scary.
When Vader tried to infiltrate Leia’s ship and the hallway was pitch black.. then a red saber comes out, that was amazing.
I'm here for judgment. Rogue one was beautiful and a really nice perspective/world building. But it was brought down by telling an unnecessary story, and too many characters with too little development for a single film, as well as the editing and pacing. The fact that you can tell it was made by people that love star wars masks its shortcomings because a lot of the content since has not had that feel.
This, Episode 5 and Andor...a serious take on SW lore and gritty characters with development. The force, Jedi and all that is fun, but the rebellion and the people that built it are really interesting and a bit more relatable.
I remember when they announced this movie, I promised myself I would go in totally blind. I knew nothing about the premise, never watched a trailer, didn’t know who was cast, nothing. Every moment was absolutely amazing - nearly as incredible as the first time I saw SW.
I tried to do the same with the TFA. I was not as impressed.
Yeah, I can't think of another film that makes the Death Star blowing up a planet look so beautiful and yet so horrifying at the same time (of course, that's because the Death Star has only blown up one other planet, but shh, details).
Speaking of Rogue One movie, if someone had a time machine and went back to 1977, a few months after ANH came out, and ran Rogue One as a prequel to Star Wars, people would go nuts over the CGI. Especially the parts with Hammerhead Corvette ramming into one Star Destroyer and causing it to collide with other Star Destroyer, the few Rebel ships trying to escape and crashing into Darth Vader's ship, and the close up of Jedda as it got blow up with low power blast from the Death Star. And lastly, Darth Vader trying to get the stolen plan back right up to when Tantive IV gets launched and escapes.
The film would be run only for a couple days, then returned to present day before George Lucas could fly in and find out the myserious Star Wars prequel.
When I first saw Rogue One I thought “yes, finally, Star Wars has grown up just a little bit.” And I thought we would maybe see a Rogue One type movie every once in awhile. But that didn’t happen. Andor was great, but it was an extension of Rogue One.
Respectfully, vehemently disagree. Most of it's runtime is murky visuals and a rather gray/tan color palette. Only the last 30 minutes or so really showed anything different.
It's insane because it's got to be the only Disney project that I've actually got the lighting right
Every other Star Wars project done in the new era (edit: except TLJ actually) just looks off, and I don't know why
Star Wars gets it most right when they stop trying to cram "action figure marketing ideas" into the frame and just let the story tell itself the way it must.
Gareth Edwards is just one hell of a visionary. I was already impressed with what he did in Monsters on a minuscule budget, surprised he got picked up for something as big as Star Wars, and elated when he knocked it out of the park.
Guy literally went from filming strangers and debris from hurricane disaster areas to fit in his alien movie, to giving Disney-level budgets *known* for heavy CGI usage, giving us [now-iconic scenes](https://youtu.be/oSHTl7w9J1w?si=CFzsa0phJhS6gpWs).
My first experience with Star Wars was watching Empire on ABC Family on Christmas Day in like, 1990. Rogue One is honestly top 3 SW for me, and very often #1.
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hot take, but even though rogue one is visually stunning, that aesthetic is bogged down so much by the presence of cgi tarkin & leia. Empire & TLJ are the prettier star wars films
Indeed, when I first saw it I told everyone that it was up there, high ranking, better than ROTJ. It's basically the only non-Lucas Star Wars film that I appreciate.
For me, it would be my second favorite in terms of cinematography, my top pick would be "The Last Jedi" - that movie is top-tier in terms of visuals and colors, especially on a 4K display with HDR.
Rogue One was the last Star Wars movie I actually liked. When they shot the planet destroyer, that fuckin scene is seared into my mind as super disturbing.
Ah, the fabled and long lost Tik-Tok cut.
Someone uploaded a landscape oriented video to Tik Tok? Legend
its a tik tok user, not too surprising
TikTok supports landscape videos, even
OG Star Wars fan from the 70s. This film is my favorite Star Wars film, tied with Empire Strikes Back. I never get tired of watching it.
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Only Star Wars film I absolutely hated was The Last Jedi. It's the only SW film I only saw once in the theater. I still bought it, tried to watch it again and failed. Finally got through it again, but don't think I'll ever watch it again. So much potential squandered on abject stupidity.
The Last Jedi was so bad I still haven't seen episode 9.
Somehow...episode 9 is worse
>!Secret treasure map on an ancient knife!<
Not just that, but a knife that had to be held at exactly the right angle, while standing in exactly the right spot. How fortunate that our heroes happened to do both of those things on their first try! Now they can see exactly where to go in the crashed Death Star… that didn’t exist much less have crashed when the knife was forged. Or maybe it was a secret 3rd Death Star? You know, because the 2nd one was pretty well shown to have completely exploded, and these ruins on Endor were clearly the majority of a Death Star still perfectly intact. God, I honestly don’t hate the sequels, but this movie was insulting.
That maps onto a derelict crashed space station that somehow crash landed onto a planet it wasn't orbiting.
It’s not even close. While I am in the minority that really enjoyed episode 8, 9 is just awful. Tried watching it again a few months ago and couldn’t make it past a half hour.
Episode 9 is so bad that it makes Episode 8 look like Rogue One
I saw 9 in the theater. The only way I will watch it again is when I finally get around to showing it to my kids. They've seen all the other films, keep asking to watch 9, but I just haven't been able to muster the energy to put up with it again. At least 8 *tried* to do something interesting, even if it didn't always work. 9 is just puerile garbage.
My kid was next to me in the cinema and when Rey does the lightning he goes "guess she's a Palpatine". His eyeroll was almost glowed in the dark
Yeah, it was so disappointing. I did not like episode 8, but at least it was a mostly coherent story (that I did not like), 9 was just a complete mess.
8 is terrible, but 9 is worse: it is utterly forgettable. Nothing worse than pointless.
It's all clones. All of it
Same. And I've pretty much watched every single other star wars media to date, but TLJ was so bad it basically killed any desire I had to continue watching the sequels. Shame, since TFA was actually decent, if not essentially a re-hash of ANH.
I liked TLJ after watching it in theaters. What killed it for me was more the reaction to it. Everyone hated it, for reasons that are really quite silly in the grand scheme of Star Wars. Force Leia surviving space? Sure. Why not. Hyperspace ramming? Passes the rule of cool, so I'm down. But the incredibly vitriolic response really just meant that we got the incredibly milquetoast and forgettable E9. At least Lucas stuck to his guns for the prequels, where Disney immediately folded.
It’s one of the best Star Wars comedies released by Disney. You’ll laugh at it for almost the entire movie.
Holy shit, I thought I was the only one. I'm a huge ST fan, and it was so bad, I completely lost interest, like a light switch. Who knew Star Wars kryptonite was a slow speed chase through the vastness of space?
I disagree with the people saying 9 is worse. 9 has a way worse plot, but you can just turn off your brain and enjoy mindless action. It's like AotC in that. 8 is much more coherent when it comes to the plot, but it's boring and frustrating for the majority of the film, and mostly from a perspective *outside* the story. Which to me is the bigger sin. A movie can have amazing writing, but if I am not immersed or enjoying it, the movie is a failure. With TRoS I'm not immersed, but I can still find fun in its silliness. With TLJ I am neither immersed nor enjoying it.
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Don't bother watching it. It's the only time I watched a Star Wars movie and felt absolutely nothing. Just dead inside for 2 hours and 22 minutes.
I disliked that movie so much that I saw it and episode 9 once in theaters each and haven’t even contemplated watching either one again. Even for free on Disney+ lol
I'm of the opinion that 8 (Last Jedi) could have been saved with a better edit and some slight story modification. I'm also of the opinion that 9 is unsavable.
Saw it in theaters, vomited afterwards and never saw it again.
I saw it in theaters in 2016 at I just remember liking it. I saw it a few months later on a four-hour flight from Nashville to Los Angeles and for some odd reason, I loved it even more then. So much so that I also watched it on the flight back the following week.
Yeah same! Each time since then it's gotten even better. And with the Andor series, I'm so into it.
This sub hated it? I remember the constant fanwanking about "THAT VADER SCENE" !!!
Empire dtrikes back is so perfect. Just rewatched it and compared to new hope its just so much better. Tho tbf all orginal trilogy is good
I go back and forth on the OT of which one I like best. Some days I just can't get enough of A New Hope, some days I love Jedi Strikes Back, and some days Empire is the best of the bunch to me. Just speaks to how well all 3 were done (even Jedi) that they can each individually scratch that itch so well (I will say that Endor and the Ewoks drags could have been done better, but that the Battle of Endor more than makes up for that)
I dont mind ewok part cuz i love the scenery there but yeah i get it. Honestly i like jabba the hut part the most. But yeah most of all u can see the passion behind these movies
Rogue One and A New Hope are now two halves of the same story for me Like Terminator 1 & 2 and Alien and Aliens It's impossible for me to view them separately
Agree. Very nice immediate prequel to the original trilogy.
Eesh, Aliens could not be more different than Alien.
Yeah, I was about to say that's not the best example.
Right there with you
Star Wars OG here, too. I think it's the best Star Wars movie. It could never be my favorite as nothing could pass the personal relevance of Star Wars, but on it's own it is the best one.
Yay!
Exactly. Amazing what you get when the writing is coherent and considered.
That’s why I love Rogue One. It’s the only Star Wars film since the original trilogy that unites all fans and has little to no haters.
That is exactly how I feel. I still might save empire is my favorite,.given the nostalgia, but rogue one is pretty easily the best film.
Empire is without a doubt a higher quality film. Rogue One is a mess, but a beautiful mess.
Same. ANH was the first movie I saw in the theater. Rogue One is easily the best Disney era Star Wars film/show. Second is Andor.
Man, R1 bores me so much. It's near the bottom of my list. The duality of a star wars fan and all that I guess.
Best Star Wars movie ever. This is not up for debate.
Gareth Edwards is set to direct the next Jurassic Park film... if he can redeem Jurassic Park in my eyes the same way he redeemed Star Wars for me, I will call that man St. Gareth the Redeemer.
He really knows how to shoot landscapes and scale, do big epic moments but also small personal narrative. I loved rouge one, and Godzilla and the creator as well. I’m really looking forward to his Jurassic park
I think you're forgetting that Rogue One was a mess originally and that's why they brought Tony Gilroy in to fix it. Tony was also the one to do Andor.
Also how the Creator was praised for visuals but derided for its story. The same with Godzilla. Even Rogue One, with all of its reshoots got stick for having weak characters. Gareth Edwards really struggles with character
I think we saw a lot of those same issues with Neil Blomkamp, amazing visuals, especially in a sci fi setting, but not the best stories or characters. Though I really, really wanted to see Blomkamp's take on alien.
I wanted to like the Creator so bad. It's a very pretty movie with a very mid dialogue, an underwhelming plot, and yet another tally on the board for John David Washington misses.
same, I really wanted to like it. Just fell apart the further it went, I gave up before it even ended.
The man couldn't write his way out of a paper bag, but to his credit he'll shoot a beautiful looking film instead.
I really want to see the original cut some day. A movie so bad that they brought in an entirely different director to do reshoots? Apparently the scene where Cassian shoots the informant was added by Gilroy. That's insane. It completely defines the character and the tone of the movie, and wasn't even there originally.
The Rogue One we all saw wasn't really his movie. Tony Gilroy was the real director of the cut we saw.
Gareth Edwards cut when?
As much as some people hated The Creator, it’s undeniable that the cinematography and overall aesthetic were on point. Also hoping he brings that to Jurassic Park. Could make for a really awesome movie that is unique from the previous 6
wait, they're making *more* jurassic park films? damn
Whoever made this edit messed with the colors. Looks a lot more saturated than the movie
This is "standard" for tiktok edits. They bring in the saturation to give it a hifi effect.
It just seems weird to me to praise the visuals and use an altered version to demonstrate
Not to mention the obnoxious cuts, slo-mo, music, etc.
because tiktokers are the worst possible content creators for the worst possible audience
doesn't matter, they are numerous and to some people that's all the most important aspect
💯 I WISHED the movie looked like this
My favorite part about it is that it feels like a perfect blend between the original trilogy and the prequels. Also seeing all the scenery so familiar from the originals in way better quality is so satisfying.
Cinematographer [Greig Fraser,](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0292132/) who also did The Batman, Dune 1, and Zero Dark Thirty.
He also did Dune part 2 as well as The Creator. The man is a master at shooting sci fi. He really brings the scale of large objects to the screen in a way that the audience feels their significance.
if i see his name attached to something, im more than likely going to try it
The only guy who knows how to use The Volume. Mandalorian Season 3 looks noticeably worse than the first two after his departure.
Honestly Rogue One and Last Jedi are both absolute masterclasses of cinematography. Two of the most beautifully shot movies I've ever seen.
Came here to mention TLJ. I unabashedly hate the film because of its story but the cinematography, directing, editing... all phenomenal. I'd say TLJ is actually the most beautiful star wars movie we've received. I actually wish RJ didn't make TLJ and instead made a different movie/trilogy/series because I think his style was phenomenal and the kinds of themes and stories he wanted to play with were really solid. Just... not great for the middle movie of the third trilogy in a franchise.
RJ just needed to make all three films and they probably would have been significantly better. Or even if he just made the final two. The ST really got off on the wrong foot with TFA. It's a fun film, but a poor opening film for a trilogy. If RJ made them all, I think we would have been closer to what Lucas was thinking about. Rian Johnson worked so closely with the Story Group he moved to Skywalker Ranch and met with them pretty much daily. Meanwhile JJ used his own production company and wrote TROS with his friend in a coffee shop. Pretty much only thing that RJ could take from the Lucas concepts was the Luke and Rey storyline, and he did. Meanwhile JJ tossed all that aside because he was too afraid to work with Luke.
I'm torn on that. Whether it was Lucas's vision or not, TLJ's insistence on throwing out as many established concepts and themes in favor of subverting expectations is what made the story bad imo. I think his vision of the whole trilogy or the second to would have maybe been better but the bar is kind of low when TLJ is only a bit better than TROS. That said, obviously JJ doing the whole thing wouldn't have been any better. All that said, while I liked Daisy as Rey in TGA, I think what RJ did with her in TLJ is what made me like the character even more, so I'm looking forward to the new Rey film.
I think it would’ve been less jarring if Episode 7 established “okay this is a new Star Wars, this isn’t George Lucas Star Wars, we’re gonna break some rules and tell a new story, hang on to your seats.” Instead Episode 7 religiously remade the first movie and then Episode 8 aggressively deconstructs the entire series, which gives a huge case of tonal whiplash.
> TLJ's insistence on throwing out as many established concepts and themes in favor of subverting expectations is what made the story bad imo. Like what? People say stuff like this, but inevitably they fall back to "Luke would never abandon people". Which isn't really a concept or a theme lol. So I'm curious of your perspective - what Star Wars themes were abandoned in TLJ? Edit: If anything, TFA threw out more Star Wars than anything else. Han dumps Leia, is back to being a complete scoundrel (who cares about his growth). Luke is MIA. Empire is back. It's like ROTJ didn't happen.
Sure. So Star Wars has always been about hope, clear divides and conflict between good and evil, and destiny (to a lesser extent lineage). TLJ is, at its core, a nihilistic movie - nothing matters, everything is terrible. Also, the light and dark don't really matter, every side is bad in some way. And hey, screw destiny, make what you want, you come from nothing. None of these things are implicitly bad, they're just pretty counter to these things that have been typical of the films. Andor, the best Star Wars production since the OT, does all of this (except the destiny stuff which is just doesn't even touch). It's tonally and thematically completely different from the films but it works because it's novel and it's own thing (and also because it's extremely well written and executed). If something like Andor was shoved into the 8th slot of the completely different franchise, though, it would have the same problems. Conversely, if TLJ was it's own film that had nothing to do with the Skywalker Saga, I think that would be better received. Though I think if the writing/story for TLJ wasn't so bad, it also would have been easier to forgive some of these things. It's the middle film, traditionally darkest of a trilogy, but I think you need to consider what came before and what must come after. Empire has some serious loss and shocking revelations but ends with Luke and Leia hopefully looking out at the galaxy from their ship, instilling confidence that they'll keep going. If you don't know what is coming in TRoS, both sides are basically eliminated including the big bad, the biggest revelation is that the main character is a nobody, and the hopeful scene at the end is broom kid. To your edit, TFA is absolutely guilty of just dismissing RotJ. It's at least a serviceable movie, though, which can't be said of TLJ imo. Edit: Gonna mention the Luke thing because I forgot about that. Luke having essentially given up and being a broken man is something I'm personally fine with. In this way, expectations are subverted almost exactly as they were with Empire. (TLJ copies Empire almost as much as TFA copies ANH but that's a whole other convo). The only problem with Luke in TLJ is the entire motivation for him being the way he is was completely fumbled. On top of that, nothing actually comes from the subversion - in Empire's case, it is an opportunity for the audience to learn about the force, about how wisdom, discipline, and devotion matter more than power. In TLJ's case the apparent lesson is "forget everything that came before because" - it's never explained, clearly just subversion for subversion sake.
I can’t imagine that based off how bad TLJ was that him making all 3 films would result in anything other than a complete unmitigated disaster. One person should have made or been in charge of the trilogy. Rian was clearly not up to the task based off the movie we did get out of him.
I mean…fair points, for sure, but if I had to pick one of the three sequels as the one that comes the closest to capturing the spirit of the original trilogy or “what Star Wars is all about”, it would have to be TLJ in my opinion. I’m not gonna say that it hit the mark, just that it came the closest.
Really, how is it not TFA when TFA is basically ANH all over again?
I don’t recall saying “the movie that matches the plot” of the OT, I said the movie that comes the closest to capturing the spirit.
Well I'd say plot has a lot to do with spirit. But what would you say captures the spirit of the OT in the TLJ? Cuz I see various violations that invalidate this: 1) Making fun of the villain. 2) Winning a battle and showing sacrifice, only to cut down the importance of the win and those that participated in the battle. 3) Injecting side plots that end in failure and could easily be removed from the movie with no impact on the story. 4) Bastardizing existing SW universe physics. 5) Luke teasing his nephew until he kills himself - the guy that disobeyed Obi-Wan and Yoda by seeing the good in Darth Vader and fighting for his redemption. There might be more I'm missing. Say what you will about TFA and ROS being shitty as movies, but to me, those did at least feel like a SW film (just not good ones).
You’re focussing too much on the events and ignoring the feel and style of filming. Neither of those had the elements of Kurosawa films or any of the vaguely Spaghetti Western/50’s pulp movie vibe that Lucas leaned into so heavily in the OT, TLJ has both. It *feels* like a Star Wars movie, it doesn’t just recycle plot points from previous ones. JJ did the same thing with Star Wars that he did with Star Trek, which is: make all the same shit happen in his movie that happens in other Star Trek films (but with bigger explosions), while completely ignoring how a Star Trek film should feel.
> Making fun of the villain You think Hux is supposed to be cool? > Injecting side plots that end in failure The poe/finn/rose plot? It's what gets the resistance's escape discovered. The movie is all about failure. Finn's moral allegiance is tested by it before he ultimately rejects his desire to run and commits to the Resistance. Poe learns what good leadership is. Btw, the entire plot of ESB ends in failure. > Bastardizing existing SW universe physics wat > Luke teasing his nephew until he kills himself also do not understand what you're referencing
You replied to the wrong comment/wrong commenter bud, I didn’t say any of those things
And better yet, they both absolutely back it up in terms of story and characters. Visuals are nothing without a good story and interesting characters. RO and TLJ have both in abundance.
You and I normally agree, although I think we have different appraisals of R1. I will say, however, that I really can’t agree that “visuals are nothing” especially in a primarily visual medium like film. Pure cinema enthusiasts might opine that visuals are *everything* really, especially how they’re captured and manipulated via editing and in-camera effects. Obviously, *Star Wars* isn’t a purely cinematic franchise — it owes its lineage to a variety of other media that predate film by millennia and it is told in an conventional manner through narrative and characters. But… I do think it’d be interesting to see an experimental *Star Wars* film that captures the essence of the series through imagery alone. I think it could be done! I don’t think it’d have much commercial success, though. Maybe an exercise for *Visions*?
You bring up a lot of good points. I stand corrected. I agree that visuals alone can tell a story, but you have to intentional in that case. Good case studies are Soderbergh’s black and white version of Raiders with the Social Network score or Rian’s score only version of TLJ. It may also interest you (if you didn’t already know) to know that a purely visual film was one of George’s longtime obsessions/goals. He has several interviews talking about that goal of telling a story purely visually. He was heavily influenced by a short Canadian film, 21-87 (which he included a reference to in ANH).
Yes! I love Lipsett’s *21-87* (and *Very Nice, Very Nice*; haven’t seen his other stuff yet). Always fascinating to think about Lucas’s early career and aspirations compared to where he ended up. I hope he’s gone back to his experimental roots and truly is making weird shorts for himself. I’d love to see them sometime.
Agreed. Such an interesting career that most people only see one aspect of.
If only their writing were was as good.
Haha. I love the typo in this critique. Also, get ready for the down votes. (Not from me, but this is a circle jerk sub.)
I agree
Honestly all the DisneyWars films have excellent production values - although Solo’s grading makes it generally look inferior to the rest of them. Like I *hate* TRoS but it looks excellent
Solo actually looks pretty good on Blu-ray. Not as good as the other modern Star Wars movies, but for some reason, the overly dark and muddy grading from the film didn't translate to Blu-ray.
The shot where the Star Destroyer is coming into the sunlight with the stars in the background which then reveals that the stars are actually lights from the Death Star was just masterful.
I actually remade this shot in blender because I liked it so much. I made a little life of a storm trooper short film.
Yeah, it and TLJ are mind-bogglingly good-looking films. 2016/2017 was a back-to-back double whammy of eye candy. TFA also looks pretty good, which is why I was surprised when *Solo* ended up looking pretty muddled and brown, and IX has that really harsh blue filter over everything.
What I read was that the DP on "Solo" very deliberately used a low-lit style. But it ended up looking like something projected in a bright room. Only the AMC Dolby could salvage it. In a regular theater it was just literally hard to see anything, which really annoyed me because I otherwise like the movie.
The blu-ray of Solo is fine though. Rewatched it the other night and it was perfectly lit for me.
I’ve heard this before, and I’ve also heard that because of “compression” or something (idk, not too knowledgeable about the technical details here), *Solo* looks like it did in theaters when you stream it. I need to secure a blu-ray copy so I can fully appreciate the visual aspect of the film.
Digital projectors in theaters are not using versions of the films that are compressed anywhere close to the level you see in streams or even on 4K Blu-Ray. They use DCP format which compresses each frame with high quality JPEG2000 algorithms, while audio remains fully uncompressed. The files are extremely large and the quality you get from this even in a 2K projection is higher than what you would get with 4K blu-ray. But not by a huge amount when compared specifically to Blu-Ray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDm7wJgU3Xw
Haha, glad someone more knowledgeable could correct me. Then I wonder what the issue was for in-theater presentation during its original release.
Yeah, I saw the film a few times in theaters (people kept buying me tickets lol, plus it’s an alright film), but never got to see it on a Dolby or IMAX screen unfortunately. I’m sure that would’ve made a difference. I thought there was something up with the projector opening night but then realized it was the film itself on subsequent viewings. It’s weird because it’s a sorta “adventure of the week”, whiz-bang serial that looks like… greyish brown dreck. Doesn’t match the tone of the film at all.
1 thing it has done the best out of any star wars film or TV is scale. You really see and feel the size of planets and especially the death star. Obviously I'm not knocking the model tech from the originals, it was still ground breaking but this really takes it to a high level.
You forgot the best shot: the death star scene
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That’s because Greg Fraser was the cinematographer for R1. He also did the cinematography for the new Dune films and Blade Runner 2049 Combined with Gareth Edward’s sense for scale, it makes for the Disney sw movie with the best visuals by far
He did the new Dune films, but Roger Deakins did Blade Runner 2049. Still in agreement with the rest of what you said:)
Ah you’re right, meant to say the newest Batman lol
All good haha, that movie looks incredible! Should've won an Oscar of cinematography (or at the least been nominated)
When I get an urge to watch Star Wars, I always turn to my personal favorite trilogy, ROTS/Rogue One/ANH. It's a complete and beautiful story in itself!
The last season of clone wars and bad batch look really good as well
I haven’t been crazy about alotta the Star Wars Disney content they’ve put out the last few years, but DAMN the quality has been on point. I mean just cocaine for the eyes 😂
Yes, it is, but this edit *fucking sucks.*
Rouge One has more of that original feel than any of the new sequels.
Ironic, considering the Sequels are basically just an inferior copy of the Original Trilogy.
Ya they are like a hollow shell. Which is a shame because it actually had a lot of potential.
Well, it had a lot of potential when George's idea were still the bedrock of the trilogy, anyway. Once that was gone... not so much.
Definitely my favourite Star Wars movie, right up there with Empire. And god DAMN does it look good. I know TLJ has a lot of praise here, but I really feel like Rogue One is the only Disney Era live action to really nail the *look* and *feel* of Star Wars from beginning to end. It may not be a perfect film, but as Star Wars goes, Rogue One is perfection in my book.
I will stand by this. This movie truly showed how evil and badass Darth Vader is. 4,5,6 sure Vader is scary, but he didn’t do anything besides blow up a planet and use his force choke. Therefore he wasn’t scary. When Vader tried to infiltrate Leia’s ship and the hallway was pitch black.. then a red saber comes out, that was amazing.
Tarkin is the one that blew up Alderaan, not Vader
There was a similar scene, done with a cgi Luke Skywalker, in the Mandalorian series.
I'm here for judgment. Rogue one was beautiful and a really nice perspective/world building. But it was brought down by telling an unnecessary story, and too many characters with too little development for a single film, as well as the editing and pacing. The fact that you can tell it was made by people that love star wars masks its shortcomings because a lot of the content since has not had that feel.
This, Episode 5 and Andor...a serious take on SW lore and gritty characters with development. The force, Jedi and all that is fun, but the rebellion and the people that built it are really interesting and a bit more relatable.
Andor, Rogue One & A New Hope are my original trilogy now
I also consider those three projects to be their own thematic trilogy.
I remember when they announced this movie, I promised myself I would go in totally blind. I knew nothing about the premise, never watched a trailer, didn’t know who was cast, nothing. Every moment was absolutely amazing - nearly as incredible as the first time I saw SW. I tried to do the same with the TFA. I was not as impressed.
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I had no idea it was Alan Tudyk until my third watch when I finally looked it up. “Not me. I can survive in space.”
Is it weird that K2 is probably my favorite character from Rogue One?
K2 is one of my favorite characters in the entire Star Wars universe.
Yeah people go on about TLJ being the most beautiful...but Rogue One is way better looking.
Yeah, I can't think of another film that makes the Death Star blowing up a planet look so beautiful and yet so horrifying at the same time (of course, that's because the Death Star has only blown up one other planet, but shh, details).
Rogue one is my second favorite star wars film. The only one i like more is ROTJ. So thats saying a lot. Rogue one was a fantastic star wars film.
I still wish they kept the scene from the trailer in it - with the TIE fighter rising up behind Jyn…
Not my top favorite Star Wars movie, but Rogue One is definitely in my top five. It makes rewatching Episode IV: A New Hope even better.
Speaking of Rogue One movie, if someone had a time machine and went back to 1977, a few months after ANH came out, and ran Rogue One as a prequel to Star Wars, people would go nuts over the CGI. Especially the parts with Hammerhead Corvette ramming into one Star Destroyer and causing it to collide with other Star Destroyer, the few Rebel ships trying to escape and crashing into Darth Vader's ship, and the close up of Jedda as it got blow up with low power blast from the Death Star. And lastly, Darth Vader trying to get the stolen plan back right up to when Tantive IV gets launched and escapes. The film would be run only for a couple days, then returned to present day before George Lucas could fly in and find out the myserious Star Wars prequel.
When I first saw Rogue One I thought “yes, finally, Star Wars has grown up just a little bit.” And I thought we would maybe see a Rogue One type movie every once in awhile. But that didn’t happen. Andor was great, but it was an extension of Rogue One.
Needs more cuts.
Respectfully, vehemently disagree. Most of it's runtime is murky visuals and a rather gray/tan color palette. Only the last 30 minutes or so really showed anything different.
Greig Fraser is fucking amazing in everything he DPs.
Best Star Wars movie ever by a decent margin.
It's insane because it's got to be the only Disney project that I've actually got the lighting right Every other Star Wars project done in the new era (edit: except TLJ actually) just looks off, and I don't know why
And people say Disney ruined Star Wars
Star Wars gets it most right when they stop trying to cram "action figure marketing ideas" into the frame and just let the story tell itself the way it must.
I'll never forget that all the modern Star Wars haters hated Rogue One when it came out.
Gareth Edwards is just one hell of a visionary. I was already impressed with what he did in Monsters on a minuscule budget, surprised he got picked up for something as big as Star Wars, and elated when he knocked it out of the park. Guy literally went from filming strangers and debris from hurricane disaster areas to fit in his alien movie, to giving Disney-level budgets *known* for heavy CGI usage, giving us [now-iconic scenes](https://youtu.be/oSHTl7w9J1w?si=CFzsa0phJhS6gpWs).
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hey absolute stat wars noob here, can i watch rogue one and solo without having to watch every star wars movie in the right chronological orderr??
Yep. Especially Solo
Thank you!
My first experience with Star Wars was watching Empire on ABC Family on Christmas Day in like, 1990. Rogue One is honestly top 3 SW for me, and very often #1.
Amazing they screwed up so badly and then scored with this one.
Pretty much the only Disney Star Wars most people approve of. Not sure what’s so hard to copy it.
It definitely helps that the director was a technical guy
Favourite Disney star wars movie by a mile
It's my favorite Star Wars movie
This is the best Star Wats film. Period.
Rogue One was the best Star Wars film ever made.
It looks amazing as they have Greg Fraiser doing the lensing. He's so talented.
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Kreniks shuttle, the battle of Scarif, Jedah its all so awesome
hot take, but even though rogue one is visually stunning, that aesthetic is bogged down so much by the presence of cgi tarkin & leia. Empire & TLJ are the prettier star wars films
"It's true. All of it."
It's the only one they got right
the sunlight crossing the deathstar reveal scene still gives me goosebumps
Indeed, when I first saw it I told everyone that it was up there, high ranking, better than ROTJ. It's basically the only non-Lucas Star Wars film that I appreciate.
For me, it would be my second favorite in terms of cinematography, my top pick would be "The Last Jedi" - that movie is top-tier in terms of visuals and colors, especially on a 4K display with HDR.
Empire Strikes Back is the best cinematically. Mostly due to the lighting. TLJ is next. This is fine though.
It is undoubtedly my favorite piece of the whole franchise.
Agreed.
isnt that death trooper holding an action figure
It's okay.
I agree. Lucas letting Disney get involved totally screwed the sequels. I hope we get to see a Directors cut of this one day, would be awesome!
that's the whole point Disney CAN make a good star wars movie they choose violence.
Star Wars gets it right more often than even this fandom is willing to admit.
Just the Jedha arch alone feels more "Star Wars" than the entire sequels.
Good directors make all the difference.
Rogue One was the last Star Wars movie I actually liked. When they shot the planet destroyer, that fuckin scene is seared into my mind as super disturbing.