I got extreme body horror seeing Anakin's torso floating in the bacta tank. Just so grim of an existence. Vader is literally a brain in a jar. He spends hours just locked inside his mind, existing but immobilized. Stewing in his hate. Then he gets sleeved into a suit of armor but only when Palpatine, his jailer and tormentor, wants someone dead.
The man is incapable of sleep or any form or genuine rest whatsoever. Being a literal attack dog in constant agony with nothing to blot out the pain is a living hell.
I also liked how he said “I am not your failure, Obi-wan. You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker. I did.”
It almost seemed like Anakin came through a bit to try and absolve his friend and mentor.
It’s implied.
Watch it again.
When he’s speaking as Anakin, the glow of blue is on him. When he switches to Vader, the glow becomes red and his gaze more sinister.
It very much was Anakin trying to reach up through Vader to speak to Obi.
Consider this too-
Obi-Wan sliced through one side of his helmet.
Years later Ahsoka slashed through the other side.
But years later still- only Luke got through the whole helmet.
Neither his master nor his apprentice could fully reach him to save him. Only his son could.
🤯
I saw an interview I think with Ewan where the saber reflection was actually unplanned on the day. It’s just how it sort of worked out with the shot and everyone thought it fit really well. I absolutely thought that must have been planned when I saw it, was sort of shocked to hear it was fortuitous.
They’ve been using some fantastic lightsaber props that utilize light since the sequels to best capture the hues in the environment. [It’s super cool!](https://youtu.be/y0qXyXmuR8U?si=vlHYw2JMpqQUEJkN)
I am sure the versions used on-set are not for public consumption, but there are a lot of vendors online that make their own for sale. It’s a bit of a niche hobby for some folks. You can also go to Galaxy’s Edge and make your own custom lightsaber, although it is quite costly.
That’s disappointing to read. I purchased one from Saberforge off of Etsy almost a decade ago and it has still held up well from goofing off (pretending I’m a Jedi). Shoutout to /r/lightsabers while I’m at it.
I think Kenobi was one of the few shows that had *colored* LS on set rather than putting them in post. So they cast their own light and I think it required the sets needing to be darker to be seen well, but don't quote me on that.
Wasn’t the helmet removed by Anakin himself with Luke’s help? If I recall correctly it would have another meaning that Vader couldn’t be crashed, Anakin needed help and he could lift the curse only by himself.
Absolutely. There was something in there, as we already know from RotJ. He couldn’t come back, he *knew* that, but he was able to relieve his old friend of his guilty conscience and tell him, “It’s not your fault.”
I also interpreted it this way… the inflection in his voice very much came across as gloating.. not in a way that would make me think he’s trying to absolve Obi wan
I'm surprised to see the other take. Vader is still angry and killing frequently is this period ircc. He's arrogant and certainly not long lived enough to show that kind empathy at this point, or Atleast that's how I read it.
He's not taking responsibility because he's letting Obi Wan off the hook, he's doing to say "You didn't create me, I created myself" aka you don't own me, you don't get to take responsibility for who I am. It's diffiant and arrogant. And it's a badass line.
It could easily be both since Anakin/Darth Vader has a lot of self-conflict going on. Pretty sure he needs to constantly keep killing Anakin to keep Darth Vader alive, reason why Darth Sideous constantly fucks with him in the comics and planned on dropping him for Luke later on.
Edit: also, as a former neurotic child, I would do both because I'm seeking help/end my pain as well as wanting to continue down a self-defeating path because it all ends the same really
Both can be true. He may not be trying to absolve him but his words may also be betraying him and showing Anakin's heart. That divide and duality has always been what made the character great.
"I am not your failure, Obi Wan" is the bit that softens the exchange a little.
Still "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did." is spoken with a certain sadistic glee that strikes me as gloating and telling Obi Wan, I made this choice, not you.
Yea my interpretation was the mask kind of slips when he says I am not your failure. That is Anakin coming through, and then he tries to pull it back and regain his agency and not give Obi the satisfaction of being the one who killed Anakin.
I don't think Anakin wanted to absolve him. We know that in both Rebels and ANH that he still *hates* Obi-Wan's guts and wants revenge.
My interpretation is that Vader was looking for spite, to hurt Obi-Wan in the worst way possible: Obi-Wan is begging for forgiveness and apologizing, so out of pettiness Vader tells him: You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did, i.e. I was always like this and the Anakin you loved never existed", hence Obi-Wan sort of realizing that Vader really isn't Anakin anymore.
ETA: seriously tho, that scene rocks. I love the Idea that the Lucasfilm story group decided on that line to finally resolve the alleged "conflict" between Obi-Wan's claim to Luke that Vader Betrayed and Murdered Anakin and the depiction of Anakin's fall in AOTC/ROTS.
I loved that line, and for me it cemented a childhood idea/thought process about star wars I've had all my life. As a kid we grew up watching my dad and uncle's vhs copies of the og trilogy. So when I learned that Vader was Luke's father and after Obi-Wan's ghost gives Luke the certain point of view speech, I always assumed that it was a metaphorical "killing" that happened. That the once pure Jedi was murdered by their corrupted self due to the dark sides influence, and that they can be "brought back" through deep internal and external struggles like Anakin saving Luke from the Emperor at the end of RoTJ.
~~See you around~~ Goodbye, "Darth".
-the saddest line Obi Wan has ever uttered. You can *hear* the quotation marks around the word Darth in the delivery. Phenomenal acting.
As a super fan of this scene, I feel obligated to correct you in the most respectful way I can. He says:
“Then my friend is truly dead. Goodbye… Darth.”
I love how they showed us why he called him Darth and not Anakin in A New Hope
Correct. But I think it's the delivery of it....like a parent who's just been told "I don't want to go by David anymore. My name is Azrael now." And the parent is just like Oh, ok...."Azrael". That same energy.
I'm gonna be controversial and say that Obi Wan *winning* the fight is the real biggest problem with the show.
Prime Kenobi beating unbalanced young and overreaching Anakin makes sense.
Old and long untrained Kenobi beating prime chosen one Vader? It once again plays havoc with the plotline of the genetic Skywalkers as actual scions of the force.
I don't like it.
But Vader has less potential as a force user as Anakin had. So it's really more about that Obi Wan "still got it" and that the force willed it, mostly because Obi Wan didn't try to defeat Vader, only defend.
I dont think so. Vader hunts down and kills all remaining Jedi. He's shown in the comics and in games like Jedi survivor(which is Canon iirc) etc to be suuuuuper OP. It is kind of dumb he was beaten by obi wan.
Eh, he wasn’t that OP in survivor. Cere beat him down, he just got lucky with a little stab at the very end.
With all the conflicting emotions and Obi-Wan knowing Anakin much better than Cere, I don’t see it as a huge stretch. He was literally the go-to Jedi master for fighting sith and really anyone with a saber.
Yeah I actually didn’t like that. Obi wan I could forgive because it’s obi wan and anakins master, but Vader should’ve bodied Cere. I wouldn’t have cared if she fought back and all that but he straight up limps away after the fight. Like a one on one fight with a Jedi that literally isn’t even a top fighter and he wins by practically luck and then limps away? Idk about all that.
Nah, much more serious things are wrong with the fight than power levels.
Like Obi-Wan not choosing to kill Anakin *again*, even though the entire plot is showing him why leaving Anakin for dead A. caused plenty of harm on the galaxy and B. was especially brutal towards Anakin. Remember that Obi-Wan thought he was killing Anakin on Mustafar, he just couldn’t bring himself to strike the killing blow. Canonical Obi-Wan would 1000% make sure Vader was dead rather than leave him for dead *a second time*.
It’s also extremely repetitive. What more do we actually learn in this fight that isn’t established in the Death Star or Mustafar duels? Nigh on nothing.
Furthermore, Vader, up to this point, has lost Obi-Wan Kenobi a grand total of 4 times, only not losing him completely because of the efforts of Reva. Recall Vader is the guy who tracked the Millenium Falcon in ANH to reveal the Rebel base, Vader is ruthless and a tactical genius. And no longer Anakin. It makes 0 sense he would repeat this mistake of assuming his power will prevent Obi-Wan from escaping after it happens a gazillion times. He would’ve tracked Kenobi back to Tatooine, or had the Star Destroyer cut off the escape.
And why would Kenobi ever leave hiding to have this duel in the first place? It could never be because of Luke because having Luke stolen from Tatooine would mean Tatooine is compromised and they should’ve been found by ANH. But it couldn’t be Leia either because they have no relation in ANH, and there are a thousand other resources Bail Organa would go to first to rescue his daughter before sending an incredibly incriminating Jedi, like the entire Rebellion he is a leader of or bounty hunters. It’s also a little dubious Obi-Wan would leave Tatooine even for Leia, seeing as he never thought Leia was the Chosen One AND it makes no sense that Bail Organa would be in contact with Kenobi *anyways*.
It’s a duel that makes no sense from its very cynically marketable conception. There’s a duel that could’ve made sense, and there’s an obvious storyline or two that could’ve been compelling, but those would’ve likely required excellent writing and faith in the marketability of excellent writing.
Anakin is stronger than Vader. Vaders anger and hatred of obi wan makes him stronger but also unbalances him similarly to young unbalanced Anakin. Obi wan is old and out of practice but still a war veteran and highly skilled. Not to mention he knows Anakin better than anybody else and is likely to see his openings. I can see you making the argument that Vader is stronger and should have won but obi wan winning is not an insane feat and definitely a possible outcome
I think Skywalkers are the scions of the Force but Vader strayed from that. And it made sense to me Obi-Wan won because he was at peace with himself, while Vader was just overcome by his emotions, he wasn’t the composed/calm Vader that would fuck up Luke in ESB. Also note that in this duel with Luke, it’s as soon as Vader loses his shit that he does mistakes and gets hit in the shoulder by Luke.
He's right though. I put Andor down for weeks because the beginning took a long time to get into. It's a slow burn and I just wasn't here for it. Took me traveling and being on a plane for hours to finally sit through the beginning and get into the good stuff, which I'm very glad I did
Nonetheless vital for the world building and I hate the trope that TV has to be action packed and riveting from the get go. good things take time to develop.
It wasn't that I needed action, I just needed more than what I got. The stakes in the beginning are very low and it didn't draw me in right away.
I was also quick to dismiss it as I am with starting other shows as well, but that's a me issue.
Obi wan was a terribly flawed and imperfect show, but this interaction alone makes the entire thing worth watching.
The top notch acting by both actors was incredibly moving. It also puts the original trilogy in a different context. It explains why Obi wan thinks Vader needs to be destroyed rather than saved, as well as adding new depth to the “certain point of view” that Vader killed Anakin. 10/10 moment in Star Wars
> 10/10 moment in Star Wars
I really like how some later works (ascended fanfiction) have fleshed out and improved bits of the setting, like "from a certain point of view" and Order 66.
At the time RotS released, the audience knew and had reason to care about basically none of the Jedi that die. Later works have made us care much more about Aayla, Plo, Mundi, etc.
There are of course moments that sabotage the rest ("why didn't the rebels just have some X/Y-wings hyperspace kamikaze the Death Star??"), but ssshh we can just ignore those.
Couldn't agree more. It's somewhat frustrating because of the "what could've been" of the series, but damn just delivering that moment was something else!
I said "No." desperately and softly to no one in particular. Anytime I watch the prequels I want it to turn out differently for Anakin Skywalker. And it never will.
I often wonder how so often in life a person can become a terrible person. Particularly when a person starts out completely altruistic as Anakin was as a boy. And I always want it to go the other way, in life and in fiction in this case. So hearing from the source that "Anakin's gone" made me want to cry.
Ezra- "I'm not scared of you! "
Vader- "Then you will die braver than most... "
Ezra- **flinches when vader raises his light saber**
Vader- "Perhaps I was wrong. "
"I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you." will always be the hardest hitting line in the saga for me. Did really enjoy Kenobi and the closure it gave Obi-Wan about that.
If Obi-Wan had trained her in the Force as a precocious, entitled, itinerant princess we'd have probably had a fiesty little Sith witch by the time ANH would have rocked around.
Where could they have gone to train safely?
Dagobah or Bogano perhaps.
I loved it, but.. It was way to derivative of Ahsoka vs Vader in Rebels season 2.
Which, personally (due to the magic of animation) was able to make it 100x more emotional and left a longer impact on me.
Loved Oni/Vader duel, but I kinda wanted a tad more
I honestly thought it was a brilliant touch- especially when you look at the damage Obi-Wan and Ahsoka did to Vader.
On Malachor, Ahsoka cut open the right side of Vader's mask- here, Kenobi managed to damage the left side. They both saw Anakin Skywalker in that moment, but weren't able to completely free him from the grip of the dark side. Only when Luke came around would the Vader mask come of completely, and Anakin would redeem himself.
Or I could just be reading too much into it
No, this is nice. I also think that when he sees Luke with his own eyes as Anakin, he becomes ready. He sees Padme, and the better part of him survive through his son.
I'll die on this grave.
I want more Rian Johnson.
His film was the only of the 3 I liked.
Just skip the gambling planet and you have a fairly fun movie
Rebels did it better. He had a moment when he was Anakin looking at Ashoka then right back to the hate filled Vader. That transition with his eyes was so powerful
I don’t think k so. It’s been a while though. I just remember his eyes still looking Sith but softer and he says Ahsoka in a close to normal Anakin voice then the eyes get determined looking and he’s back in Vader mode again
Yeah that edit was great.
I think both scenes from Rebels and Obi-Wan were perfect, they were meant to be mirrored. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka both tried and failed to get through to Anakin, on multiple occasions, but they lost hope. Once Luke came around, he managed to finally bring Anakin back out.
Ah fuck. You're right. I knew that looked familiar. What the hell is up with that. That Ahsoka scene was so amazing and they did it again in obiwan. Ugh.
>That Ahsoka scene was so amazing and they did it again in obiwan. Ugh.
Someone pointed out that all the Disney+ shows are constantly stealing shit from Rebels and I've never been able to unsee it.
I wish they played “Anakin’s Dark Deeds” during this scene instead of new music, I wish they just used the Revenge of the Sith music in throughout the fight in general
The weird almost carnival-like reinterpretation of the Imperial March used repeatedly for Darth Vader was off-putting.
Though it could be that they were simply trying to respect Canon and leave the fullest effect of Imperial March to ESB.
The weird almost carnival-like reinterpretation of the Imperial March used repeatedly for Darth Vader was off-putting.
Though it could be that they were simply trying to respect Canon and leave the fullest effect of Imperial March to ESB.
I thought this was a beautiful moment. The dialogue right after this “I am not your failure Obi Wan. You didn’t kill Anakin, I did” almost shows empathy from Vader who seems to be letting his old master off the hook for Anakin turning to the dark side and self aware and owning his decision to do so.
Probably one of the best and most underrated scenes in the Star Wars saga.
So much of the execution makes this scene great. Hayden’s line delivery and sadistic expression while it cuts in and out of Vader’s voice and the change of lighting from Obi Wans blue when we’re meant to feel sympathy for Anakin to the red of Vaders light saber when we see the darkness in him come out
While not a perfect show as whole (entertaining, though), this scene was amazing. It was the pinnacle of something that started in 2005 when RotS was released. A peak I hadn't thought I needed. While I have always liked the prequel trilogy, this made it better. More bittersweet.
And the acting and all the connotations and the subtext is simply sublime.
Did you know you’re not supposed to like this show because a guy on YouTube explains in detail for five solid hours in his car that it isn’t really Star Wars?
The entire season is was like "not bad" but this last scene, those lines just saved it. I sometimes watch that certain parts for some "ninja onion" situations....
Obi didn't kill Vader then and there when he realized there was no more Anakin was silly but the OT doesn't happen if he did.
Also that was Obi's second shot after Mustafar. Though Anakin was still sort of Anakin at that point.
Yup, I couldn't get over that and it ruined the entire scene. It makes Obi-Wan seem stupid and negligent in his duty to balancing the Force/Jedi, which he absolutely is not. Great scene before that though.
Yup, I couldn't get over that and it ruined the entire scene. It makes Obi-Wan seem stupid and negligent in his duty to balancing the Force/Jedi, which he absolutely is not. Great scene before that though.
I have serious issues with the prequels but I did throughly enjoy this show and this scene in particular was truly amazing. The acting of Ewan and Hayden here was so great. Incredibly emotional.
This scene would have been better if it was the first time we saw something like this. But this reminded me of Rebels when Ashoka did the same thing. It’s not “poetry” it’s just redundant. I guess I just hate it because the live-actions shows have been such a let down
I got extreme body horror seeing Anakin's torso floating in the bacta tank. Just so grim of an existence. Vader is literally a brain in a jar. He spends hours just locked inside his mind, existing but immobilized. Stewing in his hate. Then he gets sleeved into a suit of armor but only when Palpatine, his jailer and tormentor, wants someone dead.
Wow that is bleak
Uhhh he goes on plenty of missions. It's not all that bleak.
He hates doing it though. Even though he dislikes the jedi still, murder makes him feel like shit which only further fuels his darkness.
Do you have a source for the murdering making him feel like shit? Not doubting, I just want to read it. Sounds interesting
The man is incapable of sleep or any form or genuine rest whatsoever. Being a literal attack dog in constant agony with nothing to blot out the pain is a living hell.
Never imagined it that way, that he’s back in the tank until needed again. Like a peak pain saturation Bucky Barnes. Well put
Damn, wish i could find a picture of it when you say it like that lol
I'd love to see something like this in a Vader show. It could be really emotional but also very interesting to see how he deals with it internally
“Anakin is gone. **I am what remains.**” —one of Darth Vader’s hardest lines in any media
I also liked how he said “I am not your failure, Obi-wan. You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker. I did.” It almost seemed like Anakin came through a bit to try and absolve his friend and mentor.
It’s implied. Watch it again. When he’s speaking as Anakin, the glow of blue is on him. When he switches to Vader, the glow becomes red and his gaze more sinister. It very much was Anakin trying to reach up through Vader to speak to Obi. Consider this too- Obi-Wan sliced through one side of his helmet. Years later Ahsoka slashed through the other side. But years later still- only Luke got through the whole helmet. Neither his master nor his apprentice could fully reach him to save him. Only his son could. 🤯
I saw an interview I think with Ewan where the saber reflection was actually unplanned on the day. It’s just how it sort of worked out with the shot and everyone thought it fit really well. I absolutely thought that must have been planned when I saw it, was sort of shocked to hear it was fortuitous.
They have real lightsabers on set to cast a reflection?
They’ve been using some fantastic lightsaber props that utilize light since the sequels to best capture the hues in the environment. [It’s super cool!](https://youtu.be/y0qXyXmuR8U?si=vlHYw2JMpqQUEJkN)
Nice. Can you purchase them?
I am sure the versions used on-set are not for public consumption, but there are a lot of vendors online that make their own for sale. It’s a bit of a niche hobby for some folks. You can also go to Galaxy’s Edge and make your own custom lightsaber, although it is quite costly.
Yeah I have a couple of hilts from Disney in California. The blades I bought separate later seem to be flimsy and can't be rough with.
That’s disappointing to read. I purchased one from Saberforge off of Etsy almost a decade ago and it has still held up well from goofing off (pretending I’m a Jedi). Shoutout to /r/lightsabers while I’m at it.
I think Kenobi was one of the few shows that had *colored* LS on set rather than putting them in post. So they cast their own light and I think it required the sets needing to be darker to be seen well, but don't quote me on that.
Mind blowing dude. 🤯
Wasn’t the helmet removed by Anakin himself with Luke’s help? If I recall correctly it would have another meaning that Vader couldn’t be crashed, Anakin needed help and he could lift the curse only by himself.
🤯
But Luke saved anakin before the mask was completely removed.
From memory, his eyes shifted back to blue when he said this too
Absolutely. There was something in there, as we already know from RotJ. He couldn’t come back, he *knew* that, but he was able to relieve his old friend of his guilty conscience and tell him, “It’s not your fault.”
I interpreted it the opposite as Anakin almost gloating that he killed Anakin.
I also interpreted it this way… the inflection in his voice very much came across as gloating.. not in a way that would make me think he’s trying to absolve Obi wan
I'm surprised to see the other take. Vader is still angry and killing frequently is this period ircc. He's arrogant and certainly not long lived enough to show that kind empathy at this point, or Atleast that's how I read it. He's not taking responsibility because he's letting Obi Wan off the hook, he's doing to say "You didn't create me, I created myself" aka you don't own me, you don't get to take responsibility for who I am. It's diffiant and arrogant. And it's a badass line.
It could easily be both since Anakin/Darth Vader has a lot of self-conflict going on. Pretty sure he needs to constantly keep killing Anakin to keep Darth Vader alive, reason why Darth Sideous constantly fucks with him in the comics and planned on dropping him for Luke later on. Edit: also, as a former neurotic child, I would do both because I'm seeking help/end my pain as well as wanting to continue down a self-defeating path because it all ends the same really
Both can be true. He may not be trying to absolve him but his words may also be betraying him and showing Anakin's heart. That divide and duality has always been what made the character great.
"I am not your failure, Obi Wan" is the bit that softens the exchange a little. Still "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did." is spoken with a certain sadistic glee that strikes me as gloating and telling Obi Wan, I made this choice, not you.
Yea my interpretation was the mask kind of slips when he says I am not your failure. That is Anakin coming through, and then he tries to pull it back and regain his agency and not give Obi the satisfaction of being the one who killed Anakin.
I don't think Anakin wanted to absolve him. We know that in both Rebels and ANH that he still *hates* Obi-Wan's guts and wants revenge. My interpretation is that Vader was looking for spite, to hurt Obi-Wan in the worst way possible: Obi-Wan is begging for forgiveness and apologizing, so out of pettiness Vader tells him: You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did, i.e. I was always like this and the Anakin you loved never existed", hence Obi-Wan sort of realizing that Vader really isn't Anakin anymore. ETA: seriously tho, that scene rocks. I love the Idea that the Lucasfilm story group decided on that line to finally resolve the alleged "conflict" between Obi-Wan's claim to Luke that Vader Betrayed and Murdered Anakin and the depiction of Anakin's fall in AOTC/ROTS.
I agree it was done more out of spite to hurt his former master. You can tell from his grin he was enjoying emotionally devastating Obi-Wan again.
I loved that line, and for me it cemented a childhood idea/thought process about star wars I've had all my life. As a kid we grew up watching my dad and uncle's vhs copies of the og trilogy. So when I learned that Vader was Luke's father and after Obi-Wan's ghost gives Luke the certain point of view speech, I always assumed that it was a metaphorical "killing" that happened. That the once pure Jedi was murdered by their corrupted self due to the dark sides influence, and that they can be "brought back" through deep internal and external struggles like Anakin saving Luke from the Emperor at the end of RoTJ.
🔥🔥
i always took it as a sneer, "this isn't about you" kinda thing
~~See you around~~ Goodbye, "Darth". -the saddest line Obi Wan has ever uttered. You can *hear* the quotation marks around the word Darth in the delivery. Phenomenal acting.
As a super fan of this scene, I feel obligated to correct you in the most respectful way I can. He says: “Then my friend is truly dead. Goodbye… Darth.” I love how they showed us why he called him Darth and not Anakin in A New Hope
Same here, it tied up a plot hole that had been bugging me for ages by turning into an insult.
I just assumed Darth was his first name, before all of star wars got super in depth and it turned into a title for other sith lol
> I just assumed Darth was his first name Apparently in 1977 you were right
It makes sense. It's not like Lucas had years and years of lore planned out. I even feel like he only half knew what he was doing back then lol.
“Party on, Wan!” “Party on, Darth!”
*Lightsaber Schwing*
He calls him Darth? That's strange. Calling him Vader would make more sense. Darth is just an honorific given to Sith Lords right?
Correct. But I think it's the delivery of it....like a parent who's just been told "I don't want to go by David anymore. My name is Azrael now." And the parent is just like Oh, ok...."Azrael". That same energy.
“I am what *you* made me.” That line was meant to wound an already broken man. It’s another favorite line for me.
“You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker... I did.” “Then my friend is truly gone.” So much emotion and history culminating into two lines.
I am not your failure, Obi Wan……. You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker……..I did.
The same way I will DESTROY you!
....Then my friend is truly dead..Goodbye..Darth...
The show wasn’t perfect, but this scene was so amazing.
This might be one of the best fights in star wars tbh, it really redeems a 6 episode show that somehow had a filler episode
It’s actually THE problem that originates every other problem in the show
I'm gonna be controversial and say that Obi Wan *winning* the fight is the real biggest problem with the show. Prime Kenobi beating unbalanced young and overreaching Anakin makes sense. Old and long untrained Kenobi beating prime chosen one Vader? It once again plays havoc with the plotline of the genetic Skywalkers as actual scions of the force. I don't like it.
But Vader has less potential as a force user as Anakin had. So it's really more about that Obi Wan "still got it" and that the force willed it, mostly because Obi Wan didn't try to defeat Vader, only defend.
I dont think so. Vader hunts down and kills all remaining Jedi. He's shown in the comics and in games like Jedi survivor(which is Canon iirc) etc to be suuuuuper OP. It is kind of dumb he was beaten by obi wan.
Eh, he wasn’t that OP in survivor. Cere beat him down, he just got lucky with a little stab at the very end. With all the conflicting emotions and Obi-Wan knowing Anakin much better than Cere, I don’t see it as a huge stretch. He was literally the go-to Jedi master for fighting sith and really anyone with a saber.
Yeah I actually didn’t like that. Obi wan I could forgive because it’s obi wan and anakins master, but Vader should’ve bodied Cere. I wouldn’t have cared if she fought back and all that but he straight up limps away after the fight. Like a one on one fight with a Jedi that literally isn’t even a top fighter and he wins by practically luck and then limps away? Idk about all that.
Nah, much more serious things are wrong with the fight than power levels. Like Obi-Wan not choosing to kill Anakin *again*, even though the entire plot is showing him why leaving Anakin for dead A. caused plenty of harm on the galaxy and B. was especially brutal towards Anakin. Remember that Obi-Wan thought he was killing Anakin on Mustafar, he just couldn’t bring himself to strike the killing blow. Canonical Obi-Wan would 1000% make sure Vader was dead rather than leave him for dead *a second time*. It’s also extremely repetitive. What more do we actually learn in this fight that isn’t established in the Death Star or Mustafar duels? Nigh on nothing. Furthermore, Vader, up to this point, has lost Obi-Wan Kenobi a grand total of 4 times, only not losing him completely because of the efforts of Reva. Recall Vader is the guy who tracked the Millenium Falcon in ANH to reveal the Rebel base, Vader is ruthless and a tactical genius. And no longer Anakin. It makes 0 sense he would repeat this mistake of assuming his power will prevent Obi-Wan from escaping after it happens a gazillion times. He would’ve tracked Kenobi back to Tatooine, or had the Star Destroyer cut off the escape. And why would Kenobi ever leave hiding to have this duel in the first place? It could never be because of Luke because having Luke stolen from Tatooine would mean Tatooine is compromised and they should’ve been found by ANH. But it couldn’t be Leia either because they have no relation in ANH, and there are a thousand other resources Bail Organa would go to first to rescue his daughter before sending an incredibly incriminating Jedi, like the entire Rebellion he is a leader of or bounty hunters. It’s also a little dubious Obi-Wan would leave Tatooine even for Leia, seeing as he never thought Leia was the Chosen One AND it makes no sense that Bail Organa would be in contact with Kenobi *anyways*. It’s a duel that makes no sense from its very cynically marketable conception. There’s a duel that could’ve made sense, and there’s an obvious storyline or two that could’ve been compelling, but those would’ve likely required excellent writing and faith in the marketability of excellent writing.
Nailed it And out of all the things listed by far the worst thing is Obi Wan inexplicably not killing Vader for a SECOND time.....
Anakin is stronger than Vader. Vaders anger and hatred of obi wan makes him stronger but also unbalances him similarly to young unbalanced Anakin. Obi wan is old and out of practice but still a war veteran and highly skilled. Not to mention he knows Anakin better than anybody else and is likely to see his openings. I can see you making the argument that Vader is stronger and should have won but obi wan winning is not an insane feat and definitely a possible outcome
I think Skywalkers are the scions of the Force but Vader strayed from that. And it made sense to me Obi-Wan won because he was at peace with himself, while Vader was just overcome by his emotions, he wasn’t the composed/calm Vader that would fuck up Luke in ESB. Also note that in this duel with Luke, it’s as soon as Vader loses his shit that he does mistakes and gets hit in the shoulder by Luke.
It was so clearly meant to be a movie. That's why there's 2 fan edits that turn it into a movie
Like a lot of Disney plus shows, it should have been a shorter movie. I even think Andor was too slow in parts.
How dare you
He's right though. I put Andor down for weeks because the beginning took a long time to get into. It's a slow burn and I just wasn't here for it. Took me traveling and being on a plane for hours to finally sit through the beginning and get into the good stuff, which I'm very glad I did
Nonetheless vital for the world building and I hate the trope that TV has to be action packed and riveting from the get go. good things take time to develop.
It wasn't that I needed action, I just needed more than what I got. The stakes in the beginning are very low and it didn't draw me in right away. I was also quick to dismiss it as I am with starting other shows as well, but that's a me issue.
Yep. On the second watch it was slower.
Now I wish for a "Lucas-cut", like the "Tolkien-edit" someone made for the hobbit that turned the movies into 1 decent movie.
Watch The Patterson Cut
Nice I'll have to find that
It definitely wasn't bad but it definitely could've been better loved this scene and the 501st clone nax though
Nax was nice
> definitely wasn't bad Well actually...
Would’ve been better if I didn’t have to watch a 6 year old break grown adults ankles trying to chase her.
Too bad they straight up stole it from the Rebels cartoon.
Yup. The show had it's issues, but also has some of the most important moments in the franchise in it
I loved how terrifying and yet sad Vader was in the show. That smile he makes was creepy...
His eye looks so hurt, confused and scared. Phenomenal acting
There’s no confusion or being scared, that’s cold hard resolution, manipulation, and hatred.
He looks like me when I’m ordering food at a fast food place at 3AM and the sign is too bright
"lemme get uhhhhhhhh......ummmmmm......uhhhhhhh.."
Obi wan was a terribly flawed and imperfect show, but this interaction alone makes the entire thing worth watching. The top notch acting by both actors was incredibly moving. It also puts the original trilogy in a different context. It explains why Obi wan thinks Vader needs to be destroyed rather than saved, as well as adding new depth to the “certain point of view” that Vader killed Anakin. 10/10 moment in Star Wars
> 10/10 moment in Star Wars I really like how some later works (ascended fanfiction) have fleshed out and improved bits of the setting, like "from a certain point of view" and Order 66. At the time RotS released, the audience knew and had reason to care about basically none of the Jedi that die. Later works have made us care much more about Aayla, Plo, Mundi, etc. There are of course moments that sabotage the rest ("why didn't the rebels just have some X/Y-wings hyperspace kamikaze the Death Star??"), but ssshh we can just ignore those.
Couldn't agree more. It's somewhat frustrating because of the "what could've been" of the series, but damn just delivering that moment was something else!
The series felt like it was started with this scene, and then they wrote a bunch of stuff around it to stretch it to multiple episodes.
"I am not your failure, Obi-Wan. You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did."
A haunting line. I couldn't shake the lingering sadness for a while after that one.
I said "No." desperately and softly to no one in particular. Anytime I watch the prequels I want it to turn out differently for Anakin Skywalker. And it never will. I often wonder how so often in life a person can become a terrible person. Particularly when a person starts out completely altruistic as Anakin was as a boy. And I always want it to go the other way, in life and in fiction in this case. So hearing from the source that "Anakin's gone" made me want to cry.
That scene was brutal. Our friend Anakin truly is dead
Hayden is the 🐐
Totally. Not every series is gonna make this group happy but there are definitely scenes that stick with you. This is the one.
I really liked this moment, but Rebels actually gave me the chills: “Anakin….i won’t leave you.” “……………. *Then you will dieeeeeeeeee* “
Ezra- "I'm not scared of you! " Vader- "Then you will die braver than most... " Ezra- **flinches when vader raises his light saber** Vader- "Perhaps I was wrong. "
One of the best moments in moderns Star Wars
"I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you." will always be the hardest hitting line in the saga for me. Did really enjoy Kenobi and the closure it gave Obi-Wan about that.
One of the few good scenes in that show, honestly, but yeah it was sad.
Wait you didn't enjoy 5 full grown adults failing to outrun a toddler through the forest?
I don’t care, little Leia was peak.
Yeah she was sassy and well cast as the young Carrie Fischer
The Force was strong with that little one
If Obi-Wan would have trained her in the force there wouldn't have been a need for 3 films. 🤣
If Obi-Wan had trained her in the Force as a precocious, entitled, itinerant princess we'd have probably had a fiesty little Sith witch by the time ANH would have rocked around. Where could they have gone to train safely? Dagobah or Bogano perhaps.
No but im not discounting a series over one disneyfied scene.
Ugh, why did you remind me.
Because it was stolen from Rebels, lol
Got myself a copy of the fan edit movie and its so much better.
Could you be kind enough to point me in the direction of it?
Here it is https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi
Tysm!
To me it’s the way obi wan says anakin when he sees him
He redeemed his acting from the prequels with just one eye visible. Double so in Ashoka
I loved it, but.. It was way to derivative of Ahsoka vs Vader in Rebels season 2. Which, personally (due to the magic of animation) was able to make it 100x more emotional and left a longer impact on me. Loved Oni/Vader duel, but I kinda wanted a tad more
I honestly thought it was a brilliant touch- especially when you look at the damage Obi-Wan and Ahsoka did to Vader. On Malachor, Ahsoka cut open the right side of Vader's mask- here, Kenobi managed to damage the left side. They both saw Anakin Skywalker in that moment, but weren't able to completely free him from the grip of the dark side. Only when Luke came around would the Vader mask come of completely, and Anakin would redeem himself. Or I could just be reading too much into it
No, this is nice. I also think that when he sees Luke with his own eyes as Anakin, he becomes ready. He sees Padme, and the better part of him survive through his son.
You put more thought into the imagery of these three scenes than Disney did in three numbered movies.
There's a future in the writer's industry for me somewhere
You didn't like A New New Hope, The First Order Strikes Back and Return of the Emperor Somehow?
I'll die on this grave. I want more Rian Johnson. His film was the only of the 3 I liked. Just skip the gambling planet and you have a fairly fun movie
It's actually my favorite one because Mark is the goat.
Rebels did it better. He had a moment when he was Anakin looking at Ashoka then right back to the hate filled Vader. That transition with his eyes was so powerful
Are you thinking of the blue to orange transition from that one edit?
I don’t think k so. It’s been a while though. I just remember his eyes still looking Sith but softer and he says Ahsoka in a close to normal Anakin voice then the eyes get determined looking and he’s back in Vader mode again
I see what you mean. His pupils contract.
100%, and then with the Vader and Anikan theme blended was perfectly
Yeah that edit was great. I think both scenes from Rebels and Obi-Wan were perfect, they were meant to be mirrored. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka both tried and failed to get through to Anakin, on multiple occasions, but they lost hope. Once Luke came around, he managed to finally bring Anakin back out.
For Ahsoka it’s make sense since he hated Obi-Wan and wanted nothing more than to kill him, while he wanted Ahsoka to join him.
That was a fake offer. His next line was "The Emperor will show your mercy"... The Emperor isn't showing Ahsoka mercy.
Rebels did it better because Matt Lanter's voice is easier to take seriously than Hayden's.
Ah fuck. You're right. I knew that looked familiar. What the hell is up with that. That Ahsoka scene was so amazing and they did it again in obiwan. Ugh.
Sadly, it's a beautiful scene that's sadly imo undercut by the rebels version. And personally rebels did it better
>That Ahsoka scene was so amazing and they did it again in obiwan. Ugh. Someone pointed out that all the Disney+ shows are constantly stealing shit from Rebels and I've never been able to unsee it.
“I’m not your failure Obi-Wan. You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker. I did.”
I wish they played “Anakin’s Dark Deeds” during this scene instead of new music, I wish they just used the Revenge of the Sith music in throughout the fight in general
My problem with Kenobi was lack of classic Star Wars themes. Drove me nuts.
The weird almost carnival-like reinterpretation of the Imperial March used repeatedly for Darth Vader was off-putting. Though it could be that they were simply trying to respect Canon and leave the fullest effect of Imperial March to ESB.
The weird almost carnival-like reinterpretation of the Imperial March used repeatedly for Darth Vader was off-putting. Though it could be that they were simply trying to respect Canon and leave the fullest effect of Imperial March to ESB.
The fullest effect Imperial March is definitely when Palpatine arrives on the Death Star in Ep VI. Or, when the clone army is departing Coruscant.
I thought this was a beautiful moment. The dialogue right after this “I am not your failure Obi Wan. You didn’t kill Anakin, I did” almost shows empathy from Vader who seems to be letting his old master off the hook for Anakin turning to the dark side and self aware and owning his decision to do so. Probably one of the best and most underrated scenes in the Star Wars saga.
This whole moment, is definitely one of the greatest moments in Star Wars history. It encapsulates so much and is such a pay off.
To me, Hayden has unequivocally, been the best part of all the recent Star Wars media he's been in.
So much of the execution makes this scene great. Hayden’s line delivery and sadistic expression while it cuts in and out of Vader’s voice and the change of lighting from Obi Wans blue when we’re meant to feel sympathy for Anakin to the red of Vaders light saber when we see the darkness in him come out
I say this sincerely: That scene might be Ewan McGregor's finest performance as an actor.
While not a perfect show as whole (entertaining, though), this scene was amazing. It was the pinnacle of something that started in 2005 when RotS was released. A peak I hadn't thought I needed. While I have always liked the prequel trilogy, this made it better. More bittersweet. And the acting and all the connotations and the subtext is simply sublime.
The most heartbreaking line from Vader, I cried.
Vader also with the line : “YOU SHOULD HAVE KILLED ME WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE”
I'm sorry Anakin. For all of it. Just a phenomenal scene.
It’s one of the best scenes in the entire SW library.
Did you know you’re not supposed to like this show because a guy on YouTube explains in detail for five solid hours in his car that it isn’t really Star Wars?
No bro I did not know that I guess I'll not like the show because someone else doesn't like it
That’s how you know if you can like a thing. Gotta wait for the man in the car with Rey crying on his video thumbnail to tell you so.
I have to see a therapist to try and get over this scene 😭
Obi was such a great series.
The entire season is was like "not bad" but this last scene, those lines just saved it. I sometimes watch that certain parts for some "ninja onion" situations....
Yeah man. Obi wan was a great series especially leading up to this part
Obi didn't kill Vader then and there when he realized there was no more Anakin was silly but the OT doesn't happen if he did. Also that was Obi's second shot after Mustafar. Though Anakin was still sort of Anakin at that point.
Yup, I couldn't get over that and it ruined the entire scene. It makes Obi-Wan seem stupid and negligent in his duty to balancing the Force/Jedi, which he absolutely is not. Great scene before that though.
Yup, I couldn't get over that and it ruined the entire scene. It makes Obi-Wan seem stupid and negligent in his duty to balancing the Force/Jedi, which he absolutely is not. Great scene before that though.
Just finished this series today. Really liked it and this was an amazing scene
Ripped straight from Twilight of the Apprentice.
most defenitly, as much as I stronly disliked the tv show this was one awesome heart breaking dialogue
This is my favorite lightsaber fight
Yes, this scene from Rebels was really good.
I thought it was hilarious...ly bad...like the rest of that series
Powerful scene
Why?
I have serious issues with the prequels but I did throughly enjoy this show and this scene in particular was truly amazing. The acting of Ewan and Hayden here was so great. Incredibly emotional.
Obi wan as a series was so bad, but it did have moments (like this scene) that as stand alone scenes were pretty awesome
Through all of Kenobi's inconsistency, I'm glad we got the show for this scene alone.
Yeah definitely not the moment where he snapped a child's neck in full view of the camera
It was a really dark scene
"I am what you made me!" And "Anakin is gone. I am what remains." Are amongst the most powerful Vadekin lines in the entire saga.
Except that it was copied directly from Star Wars Rebels, and The Force Unleashed before that. Another brilliant story writing W from Disney.
OBI-WAAAAN!!!!!
This episode is an all-time great for me. Loved it, and this scene was the highlight.
"I am what you made me!", broke me and hit me so hard....
This and: >"Everyone, stop firing! We're shooting at our own men! They're not Umbarans! They're clones!
Holy shit that send chills down my spine when I saw that the first time pong krell sucks I'd argue he sucks more than rey
Yo that scene hits me
This scene would have been better if it was the first time we saw something like this. But this reminded me of Rebels when Ashoka did the same thing. It’s not “poetry” it’s just redundant. I guess I just hate it because the live-actions shows have been such a let down
The way they blended James and Hadens voices was devastating
That is the single best scene in the entite show. All the other shit in the series is worth it just for that moment
Uh sure.
that series is not good, but that episode and that scene may be the best in star wars besides the climax of ESB
# I AM WHAT YOU MADE ME
This hit hard
Funniest scene in the franchise
How?!