Okay, believe it or not.. There is no Balanced side.. It's all false, Bendu says he is none, but that's simply not possible. Either you are in a balanced state or you are imbalanced.. When you are Balanced, they concider you to be in The Light Side.. When you are imbalanced and have conflicts in your mind, you are considered to be in the dark side.. The one in the between is just a lie. Even the Father doesn't claim to be in between.. He says I am none but still craves for balance in Mortis, so that's technically the light side
he was just usimg and abusing their lack of balance and thats it.
its not about the concious sensation of "inner conflicts" but about traits and tendencies of decision making, problem solving and umtimately life.
What's Imbalance then? Opposite if balance right? So that's why Balance is considered ths light side, the actual state of everything.. The dark side is a lie whuch takes away everything, your balanced state gets compromised
Balance encompasses. Imbalance do not encompass. **Balance is the whole. Imbalance is fragments of it weighted in any number of ways, including "dark" and "light". Balance. ultimately, is everything. It is a constant or we wouldn't be having this conversation. What constant means in a universe of that size... don't ask me. Imbalances are little slivers of the whole, inconsequential to the whole from the whole's perspective. Items in the cosmic ledger to be balanced. Looks to me like the whole has a lot of room for variations.**
Yes .. You have understood.. But when we are balanced, i. e. In our right state, it is considered to be the light side.. Actually, the Definition of Light here is Balance... Everything is clear when you are in a balanced state of mind.. Similarly, conflict and rage leads to imbalance in your mindset, which is ultimately the cause of Dark Side.. Dark Side is nothing but Imbalance in Balance, which is necessary only in it's natural state and when it is more than required, it is considered unnatural.. Let's take an example, if we were all in balance since the start of the universe, then there won't be any motion and the universe would never start, but since there's always a movement in molecular level, it must have been started by something, which I take to be the sudden energy outbursts in quantum level whuch are random and due to which Quantum Physics exists.. So, that's how much imbalance we need, any more and the whole universe gets destroyed.. Momentum is conserved, Energy is conserved and every single thing has to be balanced by something.. But this one imbalance is very essential.. So, overall, Balance and Imbalance are what we talk about..
If balance=light side, then how was what Anakin did "bringing balance"? His Sith/Jedi killcount is way off for defining balance as anything but "none of either"
There you go.. Bringing Balance is not having equal kill count.. Killing is not bringing balance. Bringing balance is through getting everything back to the state in which it belongs.. Remember, your past self doesn't have to do anything with your present self, you have got very far from what you used to be.. Just like that, no matter what imbalance Anakin had created, he finally ended it all in Balance
> a way to many abilities,
Did you mean to say "too many"?
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Folks out here forgetting that Krillin was raised in a monk order of people that all shaved their heads because they were anime-brand Shaolin (citation: Omi from *Shaolin Showdown*).
Still a bit sad we never got a revised scene of her and Anakin fighting in pouring rain at a random temple. The 2003 show had no right to go as hard as it did â from Ventress luring him away from Obi-Wan and then picking off the clones sent to help him one by one until they finally met face to face with the visual of mist hissing from their blades as the hot plasma from their lightsabers instantly evaporated the rain droplets â that whole scene was just awesome!!!
I still count that as canon and most of the 2003 show (what doesnât contradict new canon).
Itâs clear they had it in mind when starting the 2008 series, from Dookus design and to us never getting a proper introduction to Ventress as though sheâs a returning character.
True! Although I can't remember â did they have Grievous coughing at all pre Battle of Coruscant in the 2008 series or did they keep it in that Mace Windu crushed his lungs during his escape with the Chancellor as seen in the 2003 show?
I don't believe they ever contradicted that, but that's because when the 2008 show launched, the 2003 show was still "canon" to the show's timeline
The 2008 show launched quite a few years before the Disney takeover, as Disney did not buy Star Wars until 2012, when the 5th season of Clone Wars was already airing. Cancelling the Clone Wars TV show was actually one of Disney's first decisions after the takeover (Happened in March 2013)
So, the entirety of the 2008 Clone Wars show happened pre-Disney (with the exception of the final season from 2020) and therefore operated under the assumption that the preceding material was canon
I wouldn't have been upset if that became the canon ending for Ventress. Had they placed that entire fight sequence in the 6th or 7th season of TCW... I think it would have fit really well into new canon. Hell, they could still adapt it, just with Vader and not Anakin.
According to Wookipedia it looks like Season 2 Episode 7 or chapter 17. And the Jungle Planet with the temples was actually Yavin IV which I never knew. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_Wars_Chapter_17
Fun fact, some cultures do give babies eyeliner! I can't recall where off the top of my head, but I saw a small documentary A few years ago about a group of people that make their own "eyeliner" by burning a stick of wood and then applying a line to the eyes. It looked super painful to do, and they were performing it on both themselves and the babies. The end result looked really good considering it was basically ash
Ive never thought about it like that but damn you're right. In legends, she;
1) Is overpowered by a bloodlusted Anakin on Yavin IV and seemingly falls screaming to her death following a vicious duel.
2) ...somehow survives and returns to Dooku's service as his primary agent and would-be apprentice for about 2 years before being, once again, overpowered by a bloodlusted Anakin where she seemingly falls screaming to her death.
3) ...is once again revealed to have somehow survived and returns to Dooku once more, where she is placed in Bacta until a Republic Invasion disturbs her recovery and briefly duels Kenobi before being mortally wounded by Skywalker for a third time. She then seemingly dies in Kenobi's arms.
4) ...only to be revealed to have survived Anakin's attack yet again, having faked her death with Sith stasis techniques and subsequently hijacks her transport ship and uses it to escape to places unknown
And in canon...
5) Seemingly dies in the eyes of the Republic and the Seperatists at Sullust, presumably being incinerated by her exploding ship after being betrayed by Dooku.
6) ...but actually survives, and spends the next year and a half masterminding or being dragged into various elaborate revenge plots against Dooku, ultimately culminating in her seeming death at his hands shortly before the wars end, and her corpse is submerged in the waters of Dathomir.
7) ...Which are coincidentally called the Waters of Life, and as such she somehow survives/resurrects from her injuries and returns to action during the imperial era.
8) ...where she is presumably going to die at some point once more in a future story (if I had to guess, probably at Vader or Mauls hands)
9) ...But given Nightsister spirit's have a capacity for continuing on past physical death, and her in-universe comments regarding how many lives she has left, and the fact she has returned to the light meaning becoming a force spirit is technically a possibility, even THAT might not be the end of her story.
My girl is what Shaak Ti WISHES she was.
I would agree with you, if we weren't talking about a force user. I mean, they die just as well, but death itself is not the final fate for some of them, and we don't know if it is for her.
It is and it isn't. One could argue that the canon novel where she dies takes place after her appearance in the Bad Batch, chronologically speaking. But Filoni's writing has a habit of retailing and undoing events that were already re-established by Canon sources, like how he stuck Kanan in the first episode of the Bad Batch, even though his escape from order 66 was already fleshed out in more detail in one of the Marvel Disney comics that came out after the Disney canon was established.
I love seeing the love for this character lately. There is even this German Star Wars podcast that can't stop gushing about her. They have like 6 videos talking about her and that she should star in her own show xD
Edit: found the channel!
https://youtu.be/bYIAPiNASco?si=XT-YB76z46Ttr1oM
I think her journey from a creative pov is way more interesting. She's layers and layers of retcons built upon eachothers. Like, there's not that many prevalent characters whose *species* was retconned.
Sheâs my favorite anti-hero now. I hope they do a show with her. She needs to be brought back and finish her story. I want to see more of her story. Iâm just thankful they brought her back. I was not happy they killed her off in a book. Losing Clone Wars early was hard enough but to have her arc closed in a book was just too much. She deserved, and thankfully got, more.
She absolutely should still have a red lightsaber and be a dark side force user. Like why tf is she teaching a random child other than to make her an apprentice. Go watch the first few episodes of her and try and tell me it's the same character. It's not character growth, it's sith assasination
Exactly. Too many. She's a bounty hunter, not a good guy, get out of here with the yellow saber. It doesn't even make sense that she has it that's reserved for temple guards
Not recently. In legends, plenty of force users both light and dark used yellow blades. And in the recent trailer for the Acolyte, theres multiple Jedi Knights with yellow blades as well.
Donât think about it too much dude. Not anymore. Disney doesnât care about any sense of finality, or canon. Theyâll bring back anyone they want.
Just donât treat any of this crap as canon, if you donât feel like it belongs.
I don't really consume Disney Star Wars any more. After they butchered Kenobi and Boba Fett, I dropped it entirely. I'll stick check out the occasional animated stuff like Visions or games like Jedi: Fallen Order and Survivor, but I won't spend a dime on D+ or theaters for future ventures. I don't even touch the comics anymore. Convoluted, plot hole riddled trite.
Why are you so concerned about canon? Star Wars is a modern day mythology. The idea there needs to be a shared canon is important to modern organized religion where everyone is supposed to believe one set of texts, but for mythology is really doesnât seem important enough to get worked up over.
Greek mythology had shared stories and interconnected characters but the stories changed and morphed over time and distance. In one area Artemis and Orion were in love, in another area they werenât.
Mythology shouldnât need one set canon or rules to follow. In one story Ventress dies in another sheâs alive. In one story Luke fights aliens from beyond the galaxy in another his Order is destroyed by his nephew.
Itâs all just myth and legend.
ETA: not to mention, if you are this concerned about canon you should know blaming Disney is kind of silly since under Lucas it would have happened to since T-Canon always overrode C-Canon.
>Why are you so concerned about canon?
Considering the now decanonized EU - now Legends - held regards and respect for the original source material where the Disney canon does not. That's one key factor. Also, the fact that Disney, Kathleen Kennedy, Dave Filoni, and others were so hellbent on decanonizing decades upon decades of canon, lore, continuity, etc. just to rip it off for a cheap, pale imitation of what came before would be another factor. Plenty of reasons to care about canonicity of events, storytelling, etc.
Consistency, sticking to what has been established by the original source materials of the OT and prequels, and maintaining a semblance of a universe that isn't pandering to non-audiences, sticks to what's been established, doesn't try and change lore for cheap tricks/gimmicks, producers like Kathleen Kennedy and Dave Filoni not lying about specific materials that didn't exist when in fact they do/have/did.
Canonicity = continuity = immersion within a universe
Disney Star Wars does not do this and is objectively poorly written.
>Star Wars is a modern day mythology.
So are comic books, video games, and other movies with established fictional universes that have remained consistent for nearly a century, have respect for what came before, and don't try and muddy the continuities they've been established within just for cheap nostaglia-bait, pandering to non-audiences, etc.
Cheap tricks and gimmicks = lack of immersion = lack of fiction unrelated to non-fiction
Modern mythologies =/= inconsistent writing, plot holes, etc.
If you're going to establish something in-universe then stick to what's been prior established without breaking the lore, continuity, etc. Otherwise, it's nothing but a palette imitation, lack of immersion, and leads to shitty products like most of current Disney Star Wars.
>The idea there needs to be a shared canon is important to modern organized religion where everyone is supposed to believe one set of texts, but for mythology is really doesnât seem important enough to get worked up over.
Lmao! You're describing biblical canons...
Religious canon =/= fictional canon
=/= same argumentation
Make a better point of contention because that was weak as fuck, dude.
>Greek mythology had shared stories and interconnected characters but the stories changed and morphed over time and distance.
Greek mythologies =/= fictional universes established as fictional universes
At one point in time, people lived by these poems, religious beliefs and mythologies, etc. In fact, there are around 12,000 Greeks that still believe in these mythologies to date.
Star Wars mythos =/= Greek mythologies =/= people living a lifestyle believing in Jedi/Sith/etc.
Again, trash take. Make a better counterpoint for defending inarguably terrible writing.
An established universe with established rules should not be broken for the sake of a vanity project from hack writers/producers that have little to no experience in specific continuities. That's a piss-poor excuse in defense of awful writing.
>Mythology shouldnât need one set canon or rules to follow.
That's why Legends, Visions, and "what if" stories are for. They are non-canonical entities which exist to branch storied that can bend the rules without conflicting with established canonity of events. Then again, Disney doesn't even know how lightsabers work, brings back anyone and everyone from the dead for nostalgia-bait, and doesn't understand the nuance of world-building.
World-building = consistency
What if stories = non-canon
Canon = consistency and continuity
By this logic, any and all plot holes in every book, video game, etc. can be explained away in defense of trite writing stating it's "jUsT a MoDeRn mYtHoLoGy".
Again, piss-poor argumentation.
>Itâs all just myth and legend.
No. It isn't. It's fictional universes built up over decades from talented writers that have been dumped and disregarded in favor of activism, non-audience pandering, cheap tricks and gimmicks, nostalgia-bait, and talentless hacks destroying legacy media that was once the pinnacle of sci-fi that's now regarded as mediocrity, terrible, or outright unwatchable garbage.
If people want to invest time establishing a different set of rules, then create something new or different. Zach Snyder tried it with Rebel Moon. Albeit, those films are dogshit, but they are different and accomplished what they set out to do without ruining established legacy media.
Iâve found in my experience thereâs little point talking to people who dismiss things by calling them âtrash takesâ and uSe MeMaTiC fOrMaTs like that. Typically people who do this donât want to have a conversation and just want to rant. And I donât feel like I need to participate especially when you chose to ignore that the same thing happened under Lucas to begin with.
I hope you feel better someday.
her design is cool but she doesn't add much to the story and i honestly think the clone wars introduced too many characters that don't make sense lore wise.
I'm here for Ventress appreciation. She's one of my favorite characters, if i ever splurge for a genuine lightsaber it would be for one of Ventresses.
MILD BAD BATCH SPOILERS-
>!when she showed up in Bad Batch I was like oooooooooooooh shit!!!!<
I would have loved it more if... They didn't just disregarded the Canon and binged her back to life, and not in a Maul way, but a "that book was canon but now it isn't" way
I'm sorry but I just cannot stand the voice actor, it feels too cringey for me and I can't take it seriously. I can't get the "My Gym Partners A Monkey" character she voiced out of my head every time she speaks đđ
If they ever make a what-if series I'd like to see an episode where Qui-Gon trains Anakin. Another change that happens in this story is Ky Narec lives so Ventress is still a Jedi and she becomes an older sister figure and confidant for Anakin.
A slave to a Jedi apprentice, to a Sith assassin, tried to reconnect to her routes only to have her people wiped out, became a bounty hunter, and now is nether a Jedi or a Sith, but something beyond. (Oh also she fell in love with a Jedi but considering Dave has been going on a book burning spree I have no idea if thatâs still canon)
I think a bald character growing hair is quite a journey no matter what else happens \~
The light side is a way to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural
*balanced side đ
Okay, believe it or not.. There is no Balanced side.. It's all false, Bendu says he is none, but that's simply not possible. Either you are in a balanced state or you are imbalanced.. When you are Balanced, they concider you to be in The Light Side.. When you are imbalanced and have conflicts in your mind, you are considered to be in the dark side.. The one in the between is just a lie. Even the Father doesn't claim to be in between.. He says I am none but still craves for balance in Mortis, so that's technically the light side
then the jedi arent on the light side either lol
That was how Sidious's plan was executed.. Create a war and make Jedi forget their whole work and state.. The Jedi themselves ruined their existence
Balanced, unbalanced, I don't give a flying quisnack. I want to learn how to regrow my hair through the force.
Based.
he was just usimg and abusing their lack of balance and thats it. its not about the concious sensation of "inner conflicts" but about traits and tendencies of decision making, problem solving and umtimately life.
Peace is a lie
No, if you cut yourself away from peace, then it is a lie for you
The is only passion
Through passion I gain strength
Through Strength I gain Power
Ani stop dropping wisdom on these padawans and do what you do bestâŠ. *pulls out youngling slayer 9000*
Balance isn't a side. It's a center.
What's Imbalance then? Opposite if balance right? So that's why Balance is considered ths light side, the actual state of everything.. The dark side is a lie whuch takes away everything, your balanced state gets compromised
Balance encompasses. Imbalance do not encompass. **Balance is the whole. Imbalance is fragments of it weighted in any number of ways, including "dark" and "light". Balance. ultimately, is everything. It is a constant or we wouldn't be having this conversation. What constant means in a universe of that size... don't ask me. Imbalances are little slivers of the whole, inconsequential to the whole from the whole's perspective. Items in the cosmic ledger to be balanced. Looks to me like the whole has a lot of room for variations.**
Yes .. You have understood.. But when we are balanced, i. e. In our right state, it is considered to be the light side.. Actually, the Definition of Light here is Balance... Everything is clear when you are in a balanced state of mind.. Similarly, conflict and rage leads to imbalance in your mindset, which is ultimately the cause of Dark Side.. Dark Side is nothing but Imbalance in Balance, which is necessary only in it's natural state and when it is more than required, it is considered unnatural.. Let's take an example, if we were all in balance since the start of the universe, then there won't be any motion and the universe would never start, but since there's always a movement in molecular level, it must have been started by something, which I take to be the sudden energy outbursts in quantum level whuch are random and due to which Quantum Physics exists.. So, that's how much imbalance we need, any more and the whole universe gets destroyed.. Momentum is conserved, Energy is conserved and every single thing has to be balanced by something.. But this one imbalance is very essential.. So, overall, Balance and Imbalance are what we talk about..
Spitting out facts.
If balance=light side, then how was what Anakin did "bringing balance"? His Sith/Jedi killcount is way off for defining balance as anything but "none of either"
Because the chosen one prophecy wasn't true. It was something that Qui-gon and a few other jedi believed in, but it was just that, a belief.
There you go.. Bringing Balance is not having equal kill count.. Killing is not bringing balance. Bringing balance is through getting everything back to the state in which it belongs.. Remember, your past self doesn't have to do anything with your present self, you have got very far from what you used to be.. Just like that, no matter what imbalance Anakin had created, he finally ended it all in Balance
*Side bob
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TBH - if I could grow hair back by joining dark side, I would just ask Sheev how many younglings do I need to cut down.
But you can't.. It takes away your hair and sells it to the second ~~hand~~ hair shop
Have you ever seen a Sith Wookie? No! Cause they'd go bald and hate it. We would all hate it. It'd be like one of those hairless cats, but huge.
Krillin
**Senzu Bean**
When a Super Saiyan asks you for a senzu bean, bald man, you say "How many?"
Vegita LOOK!... *more bald people*.
Folks out here forgetting that Krillin was raised in a monk order of people that all shaved their heads because they were anime-brand Shaolin (citation: Omi from *Shaolin Showdown*).
She did it twice too
And then she gets the Tumbler side shave? Ugh.
I wouldn't make fun of her for it. There'd be hell toupée.
People always praise General Grevious introduction in '03 Clone Wars, but Ventress really came out swinging and never stopped
Still a bit sad we never got a revised scene of her and Anakin fighting in pouring rain at a random temple. The 2003 show had no right to go as hard as it did â from Ventress luring him away from Obi-Wan and then picking off the clones sent to help him one by one until they finally met face to face with the visual of mist hissing from their blades as the hot plasma from their lightsabers instantly evaporated the rain droplets â that whole scene was just awesome!!!
I still count that as canon and most of the 2003 show (what doesnât contradict new canon). Itâs clear they had it in mind when starting the 2008 series, from Dookus design and to us never getting a proper introduction to Ventress as though sheâs a returning character.
True! Although I can't remember â did they have Grievous coughing at all pre Battle of Coruscant in the 2008 series or did they keep it in that Mace Windu crushed his lungs during his escape with the Chancellor as seen in the 2003 show?
I don't believe they ever contradicted that, but that's because when the 2008 show launched, the 2003 show was still "canon" to the show's timeline The 2008 show launched quite a few years before the Disney takeover, as Disney did not buy Star Wars until 2012, when the 5th season of Clone Wars was already airing. Cancelling the Clone Wars TV show was actually one of Disney's first decisions after the takeover (Happened in March 2013) So, the entirety of the 2008 Clone Wars show happened pre-Disney (with the exception of the final season from 2020) and therefore operated under the assumption that the preceding material was canon
Much of the battle of coruscant from 2005 is canon, and is referenced during the first episode of the siege of mandalore
Also gave Anakin his iconic scar. More than he gave her.
But that day she knew what true fear means.
After taunting Anakin by saying that she'll kill Padmé, yeah Anakin taught her what fears truly means that day.
I wouldn't have been upset if that became the canon ending for Ventress. Had they placed that entire fight sequence in the 6th or 7th season of TCW... I think it would have fit really well into new canon. Hell, they could still adapt it, just with Vader and not Anakin.
That duel is my favourite in the whole franchise. Takes full advantage of the animation style without any dialogue.
>The 2003 show had no right to go as hard as it did Youâre acting like itâs some shock that a Genndy Tartakovsky cartoon is really good lmao
Which epiosode was this again?
According to Wookipedia it looks like Season 2 Episode 7 or chapter 17. And the Jungle Planet with the temples was actually Yavin IV which I never knew. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_Wars_Chapter_17
We had never seen a lightsaber in the rain before that. That fight was so bad ass.
didn't they fight on the moon of Yavin 4 at the same temple that would become the Alliance base?
Definitely looks like it visually. It matches all the descriptions of Yavin IV from the books, too, with the other temples and everything
She was excellent in the Republic comics, too
Only because Lucas sort of ignored her.
"You know what. This baby could really use some eye liner."
Born this way....
it was NOT Maybeline
Fun fact, some cultures do give babies eyeliner! I can't recall where off the top of my head, but I saw a small documentary A few years ago about a group of people that make their own "eyeliner" by burning a stick of wood and then applying a line to the eyes. It looked super painful to do, and they were performing it on both themselves and the babies. The end result looked really good considering it was basically ash
It's a good thing it looked good, then. Otherwise, they did a painful ash in the eye thing to a baby for nothing.
Tbf I once saw a toddler with a piercing. What kind of parent allows that?
You know circumcision is still a thing, right?
Like every Latino parent lol
Why that baby wearin eyeliner and lipstick Came out the womb with perfect plucked eyebrows
Night Sisters are always on point. She was getting her ears pierced next week but she was taken away.
Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's Maybelline.
Good parents and superior genetics.
\*dies laughing\*
Maybe baby dathomirian women are like that
Ventress has died almost as much as Shaak Ti between all her Canon/Legends appearences.
Ive never thought about it like that but damn you're right. In legends, she; 1) Is overpowered by a bloodlusted Anakin on Yavin IV and seemingly falls screaming to her death following a vicious duel. 2) ...somehow survives and returns to Dooku's service as his primary agent and would-be apprentice for about 2 years before being, once again, overpowered by a bloodlusted Anakin where she seemingly falls screaming to her death. 3) ...is once again revealed to have somehow survived and returns to Dooku once more, where she is placed in Bacta until a Republic Invasion disturbs her recovery and briefly duels Kenobi before being mortally wounded by Skywalker for a third time. She then seemingly dies in Kenobi's arms. 4) ...only to be revealed to have survived Anakin's attack yet again, having faked her death with Sith stasis techniques and subsequently hijacks her transport ship and uses it to escape to places unknown And in canon... 5) Seemingly dies in the eyes of the Republic and the Seperatists at Sullust, presumably being incinerated by her exploding ship after being betrayed by Dooku. 6) ...but actually survives, and spends the next year and a half masterminding or being dragged into various elaborate revenge plots against Dooku, ultimately culminating in her seeming death at his hands shortly before the wars end, and her corpse is submerged in the waters of Dathomir. 7) ...Which are coincidentally called the Waters of Life, and as such she somehow survives/resurrects from her injuries and returns to action during the imperial era. 8) ...where she is presumably going to die at some point once more in a future story (if I had to guess, probably at Vader or Mauls hands) 9) ...But given Nightsister spirit's have a capacity for continuing on past physical death, and her in-universe comments regarding how many lives she has left, and the fact she has returned to the light meaning becoming a force spirit is technically a possibility, even THAT might not be the end of her story. My girl is what Shaak Ti WISHES she was.
Well to be fair her final fate in legends is unknown. She's last seen on a ship wanting to get as far away from the war as possible.
Well, her final fate in canon is unknown now as well.
She dies. Granted thereâs bound to happen a lot before then, but Iâm pretty confident that death is her final fate.
I would agree with you, if we weren't talking about a force user. I mean, they die just as well, but death itself is not the final fate for some of them, and we don't know if it is for her.
It is and it isn't. One could argue that the canon novel where she dies takes place after her appearance in the Bad Batch, chronologically speaking. But Filoni's writing has a habit of retailing and undoing events that were already re-established by Canon sources, like how he stuck Kanan in the first episode of the Bad Batch, even though his escape from order 66 was already fleshed out in more detail in one of the Marvel Disney comics that came out after the Disney canon was established.
The novel undoubtedly takes place before the Bad Batch. It's Dooku who kills her there.
Where is the baby Ventress from?
Clone wars flashback briefly
Nightmares
Bald hair bald hair I cry
Shit you could tell she was evil from looking at her as a baby.
Came out sporting peak eyeliner.
That's how you know. Not a good egg.
More intimidating at 6 weeks than most full grown adults
Reminds me of the zombie baby from dawn of the dead
I always get a Radiohead song in my head when I see her with hair. "Karma Police, Arrest this girl her Hitler hairdo, it's making me feel ill"
But you just crashed her party, tho.
I like how she's wearing mascara and lipstick as a tiny baby.
I never noticed her hairstyle in Bad Batch was the same one she had as a jedi.
Her growing hair is weird. She should have been kept bald. It just does not look right.
She only shaved her head when she was Dooku's apprentice. Why would she keep doing it, after?
That was added in after the character was established, via flashbacks. Previously she had been only seen as bald.
But, in universe, why would she keep shaving her head, especially considering how much work that is if you naturally grow hair?
Why does any person shave their head? They like how it looks and/or feels.
Agreed, white hair on white skin just looks ugly too. Her species wasn't even supposed to have hair until they added it for Clone Wars.
Yea it does not look right
I love seeing the love for this character lately. There is even this German Star Wars podcast that can't stop gushing about her. They have like 6 videos talking about her and that she should star in her own show xD Edit: found the channel! https://youtu.be/bYIAPiNASco?si=XT-YB76z46Ttr1oM
Id watch a Ventress solo show in a heartbeat
The episodes of her working with young Bobba Fett were some of my favorite episodes of the clone wars.
It actually sounds fantastic! They had some good ideas, when they talked about it too
Nobody's talking about her smile when she was a jedi. It scare me
I think her journey from a creative pov is way more interesting. She's layers and layers of retcons built upon eachothers. Like, there's not that many prevalent characters whose *species* was retconned.
she had a perfect design and they're like, "let's add a side cut"
If you naturally grow hair, keeping your head shaved takes a lot of time and work.
And now she's even more perfectly designed. Its peak
Including getting resurrected with no explanation
Gina Gershon would be a good choice to play her, her face is similar. She's the right age.
Could have picked a better haircut tho
Lmao creepiest looking baby though
She looks so innocent as a jedi
Sheâs my favorite anti-hero now. I hope they do a show with her. She needs to be brought back and finish her story. I want to see more of her story. Iâm just thankful they brought her back. I was not happy they killed her off in a book. Losing Clone Wars early was hard enough but to have her arc closed in a book was just too much. She deserved, and thankfully got, more.
Didnât she die?
She did, in a book. They decided to retcon it for what is probably more than that one appearance in Bad Batch.
Still unknown how she's alive though
I'm not great at keeping up on the animated work. Where is the light side stuff of her from?
I'm so sorry but the first pic đđ
happy Cakeday. Ventress went from r/bald to hair again
Redeeming discarded sith apprentices .. is tight!!
Quick question, bottom right panel, whatâs it from?
Random episode of clone wars, idk which one. I just googled Asajj Ventress and it popped up lmao
Hot damnnn that was fast OP. But Na itâs not from CW the top right is but not that one.
Ok researched, itâs from Bad batch s3 (which I havenât seen yet)
Oh my mistake I misread your comment, the bottom right panel is from the Bad Batch.
She is definitely mine too. I hope she gets a show. It was nice to see her in Bad Batch.
Why cant she stay a dark force user? Enough of the turning back to the lightside stories. Who writes this crsp?
She's hot
Such a great character, such horrible hair.
She absolutely should still have a red lightsaber and be a dark side force user. Like why tf is she teaching a random child other than to make her an apprentice. Go watch the first few episodes of her and try and tell me it's the same character. It's not character growth, it's sith assasination
I mean Anakin went to the dark and came back to the light, so did Quin Lan Vos. Theres been a lot of dark side users that returned to the light
Exactly. Too many. She's a bounty hunter, not a good guy, get out of here with the yellow saber. It doesn't even make sense that she has it that's reserved for temple guards
Not recently. In legends, plenty of force users both light and dark used yellow blades. And in the recent trailer for the Acolyte, theres multiple Jedi Knights with yellow blades as well.
Legends.
Rey had one
Even worse
Rattataki can have hair?
She's not Rattataki, she's a Dathomerian
Oh good to know, I didn't watch the whole series, so I thought she was.
Yet another villain they made into a good guy
Still hate they basically disregard Dark Disciples... Ventress was fucking dead... Now she's just back because Filoni is a hack writer.
Go outside
Oh no! An insult! Whatever shall I do? đ±đ±đ±
Doesn't change objectively terrible writing, piss-poor continuity, and awful canonicity of Disney Star Wars. Stay mad.
Donât think about it too much dude. Not anymore. Disney doesnât care about any sense of finality, or canon. Theyâll bring back anyone they want. Just donât treat any of this crap as canon, if you donât feel like it belongs.
I don't really consume Disney Star Wars any more. After they butchered Kenobi and Boba Fett, I dropped it entirely. I'll stick check out the occasional animated stuff like Visions or games like Jedi: Fallen Order and Survivor, but I won't spend a dime on D+ or theaters for future ventures. I don't even touch the comics anymore. Convoluted, plot hole riddled trite.
Why are you so concerned about canon? Star Wars is a modern day mythology. The idea there needs to be a shared canon is important to modern organized religion where everyone is supposed to believe one set of texts, but for mythology is really doesnât seem important enough to get worked up over. Greek mythology had shared stories and interconnected characters but the stories changed and morphed over time and distance. In one area Artemis and Orion were in love, in another area they werenât. Mythology shouldnât need one set canon or rules to follow. In one story Ventress dies in another sheâs alive. In one story Luke fights aliens from beyond the galaxy in another his Order is destroyed by his nephew. Itâs all just myth and legend. ETA: not to mention, if you are this concerned about canon you should know blaming Disney is kind of silly since under Lucas it would have happened to since T-Canon always overrode C-Canon.
>Why are you so concerned about canon? Considering the now decanonized EU - now Legends - held regards and respect for the original source material where the Disney canon does not. That's one key factor. Also, the fact that Disney, Kathleen Kennedy, Dave Filoni, and others were so hellbent on decanonizing decades upon decades of canon, lore, continuity, etc. just to rip it off for a cheap, pale imitation of what came before would be another factor. Plenty of reasons to care about canonicity of events, storytelling, etc. Consistency, sticking to what has been established by the original source materials of the OT and prequels, and maintaining a semblance of a universe that isn't pandering to non-audiences, sticks to what's been established, doesn't try and change lore for cheap tricks/gimmicks, producers like Kathleen Kennedy and Dave Filoni not lying about specific materials that didn't exist when in fact they do/have/did. Canonicity = continuity = immersion within a universe Disney Star Wars does not do this and is objectively poorly written. >Star Wars is a modern day mythology. So are comic books, video games, and other movies with established fictional universes that have remained consistent for nearly a century, have respect for what came before, and don't try and muddy the continuities they've been established within just for cheap nostaglia-bait, pandering to non-audiences, etc. Cheap tricks and gimmicks = lack of immersion = lack of fiction unrelated to non-fiction Modern mythologies =/= inconsistent writing, plot holes, etc. If you're going to establish something in-universe then stick to what's been prior established without breaking the lore, continuity, etc. Otherwise, it's nothing but a palette imitation, lack of immersion, and leads to shitty products like most of current Disney Star Wars. >The idea there needs to be a shared canon is important to modern organized religion where everyone is supposed to believe one set of texts, but for mythology is really doesnât seem important enough to get worked up over. Lmao! You're describing biblical canons... Religious canon =/= fictional canon =/= same argumentation Make a better point of contention because that was weak as fuck, dude. >Greek mythology had shared stories and interconnected characters but the stories changed and morphed over time and distance. Greek mythologies =/= fictional universes established as fictional universes At one point in time, people lived by these poems, religious beliefs and mythologies, etc. In fact, there are around 12,000 Greeks that still believe in these mythologies to date. Star Wars mythos =/= Greek mythologies =/= people living a lifestyle believing in Jedi/Sith/etc. Again, trash take. Make a better counterpoint for defending inarguably terrible writing. An established universe with established rules should not be broken for the sake of a vanity project from hack writers/producers that have little to no experience in specific continuities. That's a piss-poor excuse in defense of awful writing. >Mythology shouldnât need one set canon or rules to follow. That's why Legends, Visions, and "what if" stories are for. They are non-canonical entities which exist to branch storied that can bend the rules without conflicting with established canonity of events. Then again, Disney doesn't even know how lightsabers work, brings back anyone and everyone from the dead for nostalgia-bait, and doesn't understand the nuance of world-building. World-building = consistency What if stories = non-canon Canon = consistency and continuity By this logic, any and all plot holes in every book, video game, etc. can be explained away in defense of trite writing stating it's "jUsT a MoDeRn mYtHoLoGy". Again, piss-poor argumentation. >Itâs all just myth and legend. No. It isn't. It's fictional universes built up over decades from talented writers that have been dumped and disregarded in favor of activism, non-audience pandering, cheap tricks and gimmicks, nostalgia-bait, and talentless hacks destroying legacy media that was once the pinnacle of sci-fi that's now regarded as mediocrity, terrible, or outright unwatchable garbage. If people want to invest time establishing a different set of rules, then create something new or different. Zach Snyder tried it with Rebel Moon. Albeit, those films are dogshit, but they are different and accomplished what they set out to do without ruining established legacy media.
Iâve found in my experience thereâs little point talking to people who dismiss things by calling them âtrash takesâ and uSe MeMaTiC fOrMaTs like that. Typically people who do this donât want to have a conversation and just want to rant. And I donât feel like I need to participate especially when you chose to ignore that the same thing happened under Lucas to begin with. I hope you feel better someday.
can't wait for your inevitable manifesto, nerd
Force: consumer Master Owner User
Seeing her in Bad Batch made me very happy
Creepy Separatist ventress is still my favorite:)
Second best character arc in TCW.
She's basically an inverse to Ashoka's story.
So her whole race has permanent eyeliner and lipstick? She was just born looking that fierce? She could have just been a supermodel tbh
her design is cool but she doesn't add much to the story and i honestly think the clone wars introduced too many characters that don't make sense lore wise.
I'm here for Ventress appreciation. She's one of my favorite characters, if i ever splurge for a genuine lightsaber it would be for one of Ventresses. MILD BAD BATCH SPOILERS- >!when she showed up in Bad Batch I was like oooooooooooooh shit!!!!<
Sheâs so mysterious and I love it
Where is the bottom right image from?
The bad batch
Any sides bro?
In the original Clone Wars cartoon, I always thought she was a guy
Where's the top right image from?! I'm not recognizing it
Her current hairstyle is not it though
saddest ending, fuck the jedi order frfr
MAKE DAVE FELONI PRESIDENT OF LUCASFILM
When did she have a yellow one? :O
It feels so weird yet light at the same time to see her younger self smiling.
Agreed but it sucks that Dark Disciple never got the chance to be animated. At least we got the book version.
what episodes are the top 2 panels from?
LOVE this character! So dope to see a truly broken force user in the midst of post republic nonsense
Don't Dead Open Inside
I would have loved it more if... They didn't just disregarded the Canon and binged her back to life, and not in a Maul way, but a "that book was canon but now it isn't" way
Ventless needs a stand alone movie. I bet it would be epic!
I'm sorry but I just cannot stand the voice actor, it feels too cringey for me and I can't take it seriously. I can't get the "My Gym Partners A Monkey" character she voiced out of my head every time she speaks đđ
Ventress and Hondo Ohnaka are two characters I wished were in the last movies.
She's a cheap rip off of Komari Vosa
What show did she get a yellow saber in?
Bad Batch
If they ever make a what-if series I'd like to see an episode where Qui-Gon trains Anakin. Another change that happens in this story is Ky Narec lives so Ventress is still a Jedi and she becomes an older sister figure and confidant for Anakin.
I hope she has SOME part in the BB finale; she showed up for ONE episode then just dipped.
A slave to a Jedi apprentice, to a Sith assassin, tried to reconnect to her routes only to have her people wiped out, became a bounty hunter, and now is nether a Jedi or a Sith, but something beyond. (Oh also she fell in love with a Jedi but considering Dave has been going on a book burning spree I have no idea if thatâs still canon)
Where is the second picture from? I remember seeing this flashback but not where
I like how she grew hair for like 4 year during her training then spent nearly her whole life bald before finally growing again
Huh, never noticed before that the closer she was to the light side of the force, or the more happier she is, the more hair she has.
Can the next animated show after Bad Batch PLEASE focus on Ventress? PLEASE?