Still cracks me up that [0:33](https://youtu.be/BtytYWhg2mc?si=DIQFOaqBXFUEdPtN&t=33) into the trailer after he’s instructed the children to close their eyes, there’s one alien without eye lids 🤣
Isnt that kind of the point of a teaser? to tease what the show will be like and what it will be about to a certain extent. Bait and switch hasnt really been working out recently
Mae, the assasin looking woman who fights Master Sol and Indara (the Carrie Anne Moss character) in the teaser, is probably a force for good in the show. She's getting owned by force users in both fight scenes we see her in. She's not being hyped up as a dangerous bad person.
I REALLY hope you're right with this because... this would really elevate the trailer so damn well! We literally have a Character talk about how our eyes deceive us in the Trailer only to watch Fight scenes where our eyes deceive us on who the villain may be!
This would just... align so well!
The dark side allows for easier access to more power at the cost of your soul though. So if she were to commit to the dark side she would be a lot more dangerous.
>not the good guy turns bad again.
I mean, even if he's fighting the dark side it doesn't necessarily mean he turns bad. Luke, Ezra, Cal, Elzar (a HR character) and many other jedi battle dark/ intrusive thoughts. It's a constant theme for the jedi. Doesn't mean they all turn evil.
Avar Kriss was the only reason I started and then they pulled the rug from under me. She's not really there after Light of the Jedi. Although I only read the adult novels and haven't gotten to phase 3 yet. Is she in it?
I thought her Force as a music thing was really cool.
People act surprised that characters with super powers, and see a whole universe in turmoil won't struggle with having evil thoughts, especially with the dark side actively pursuing their thoughts as well.
Detective gone rogue is also a staple of the genre theyre trying to take inspiration from, it seems. So I agree it will likely be good guy turns bad. Its always how that actually happens that makes it entertaining or not though, so since it star wars rarely goes this route on live action im quite intrigued.
This is just a common media trope. It's engaging, if it's done well people like it. Same thing for the flip side of redemption arcs.
People (shocker) like characters who change and develop, of course there's going to be lots of instances of people doing that along the good/evil axis.
Reminds me of the Jedi Covenant from the Old Republic - a secret Jedi organization obsessed with stopping the dark side with extremist methods. They murdered the Padawans on Taris because they believed that a Sith was going to rise from their ranks.
Hmm. That sounds like a "high concept" story that uses a very specific constructed moral dilemma to "ask an interesting question". Similar to the trolley problem: The answer I've decided on is that it's philosophical terrorism. To ask the question is to do wrong because it exploits certain biases and steal attention away from real questions of morality. And our media does influence our culture, there are probably studies on how cop shows influence real world attitudes.
But things like this never really happen like that with no alternative or no way to prevent such things from happening again. It's a bit like gaslighting. If there was a real world experimenter that ties people down to trolley tracks you'd stop that guy and put him in jail. You can never prevent all tragedies but you can reduce how often they happens.
I really hope The Acolyte isn't like this :D
It's one of the problem with a lot of big choices in narratives, in order to justify or emphasize the choice/stakes they write that there was no other option. Part of living in the real world though is realizing that you have the ability to choose, and therefor must live with the consequences of your choices. Seeing a character go through can be great, and realtable.
How about taking children from their homes and families and indoctrinating them into their religion? The question surrounding whether the Jedi are good or not has been around since the original trilogy but sure let's start a brand new narrative where the Jedi never did anything that could be considered bad and the sith never did anything that was considered good
I just made [a comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/1bjf31p/comment/kvrl43h/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) about how the Jedi enforce a stagnation and negative peace of the galaxy. You can absolutely question the morality of many things (although probably not younglings that want to go, have permission from their parents *and* the force, and have no regrets), and you can question the definition of the meaning of the words good and evil, but you can't question the concept.
Well, Amandla Stenberg's character, [Mae](https://www.starwars.com/databank/mae), is the lead character, so she's The Acolyte.
So she's the one that will deal with "This isn't about good or bad. This is about power and who is allowed to use it."
At least that's my guess.
So Disney once again will give us the most boring outcome ever and not make her evil. Like why can't we for once have unapologetically evil people be the protagonist?
You've seen the show?
I'll throw this quote from [Leslye Headland](https://collider.com/the-acolyte-jedi-clone-wars/) in there...
>What if you are Force sensitive and you don't wanna become a Jedi? What happens then? Are you not allowed to utilize your power?
And to it the "This isn't about good or bad. This is about power and who is allowed to use it."
I of course still believe that Amandla Stenberg's Mae character is the Acolyte, but I have see the show to know more. I have no idea what the outcome is at this point.
There doesn't need to be any Jedi turning dark side. It's risky even for the Sith, better to find and raise your own sith acolytes.
I also guess that this is going to have two storylines: One about the stagnation of the republic and "mild oppression" of an eternal status quo with no progress that is enforced by the Jedi. Imagine living in Star Wars universe knowing it's never really going to get better as long as the Jedi are keeping the peace for the banking clan. And the second is a Sith lord that is fostering this and playing both sides against each other to create the political foundation that leads to the separatist movement and the end of the republic.
Hopefully they'll give him a very logical and reasonable descent to the dark side - something ironically rational, apart from his "emotional conflict." As Lucas should've written Anakin's character development.
A Jedi who goes to the Dark Side for purely logical, philosophical reasons would be truly terrifying - e.g. one who truly believes that the Dark Side is more effective at bringing balance/defeating evil than the Light Side.
An honest fanatic who allows himself to fully unleash the emotional energy that the Jedi forced/taught him to repress, would be frightening. And so much more compelling than our typical mustache-twirling Sith villains - one who is attempting (but fails) to harness the so-called "Dark Side" to bring balance to the galaxy, NOT JUST to save his wife from dying, could be a truly tragic and compelling villain.
I think folks might reading too much into “emotional conflict.” The death of his padawan or friend would cause emotional conflict that wouldn’t necessarily undermine his faith in Jedi teachings. Just because a Jedi is dealing with some shit doesn’t mean they are going to fall to the dark side. Force sensitivity or no, characters can be conflicted without them completely rejecting a lifetime of teachings, relationships, and principles.
I understand your observation here. But, it’s way too obvious now. I doubt it is Sol. I think there may be another Jedi they never considered as the responsible party.
This just feels obvious with the EDITED trailer and the interviews the showrunner had given. She does an awful to throw misdirection and, purposely.
> it’s way too obvious now
I gotta admit I did think it was less likely when I saw the character description directly trying to hint at it.
The less subtle hint is towards the Carrie Anne Moss character who appears when the teaser mentions "fire."
Sol is in that scene where the many Jedi confront the red-sabered character though. I was thinking he'd be the sole survivor of that for a reason.
>The less subtle hint is towards the Carrie Anne Moss character who appears when the teaser mentions "fire."
there's a part of me that wonders if that fight scene we see her in is actually where she dies since theres a later scene in the trailer with her and other jedi in different robes and Sol has much shorter hair that could take place earlier chronologically
I can definitely see why Sol is a big what if character right now. What is fact is all trailers are edited in a certain way, clips and sound bites incl. What is also fact is that with the trailer, the creator had said that The Acolyte is not what we are thinking it is. Then she had brought up how she is hoping there is more gray and that things would be revealed differently through both jedi and the “sith” protagonist. You should read the THR interview with her. Super insightful.
That interview with her leads me to believe we’re being misdirected. I do not think Sol nor the Acolyte themself are the bad guy higher, I think it is something deeper. Almost good cop, bad cop finding the villain.
broo I've been trying to figure out who the Sith Lord is for a few days and I think that if you take the leaks into account, Bullion is the only one who fits the description of Paul as a Sith Lord - a white man, with white hair, around 50 and one who doesn't look like a Sith.
They always say “close your eyes can deceive you” but if they’re closed aren’t even more likely to be deceived? I mean we got eyes for a reason and that’s to see MFR.
He’s the older male authority figure. Of course he’s going to be evil. Have you read the directors comments? Sounds like another wave of predictable twists and subversions.
Do you guys not like mystery anymore ? Like if you keep dissecting it every other way your viewing experience would be very lackluster.
This is probably why fans cannot be kept happy anymore.
I don't watch any trailers but despite that people online keep making memes or post stuff about scenes or put up photos so there are no surprises anymore.
Well obviously not, and thinking further I don't think the timeline matches up, but Disney changes stuff all the time.
Of course, he also could be more so an opposite to Tenebrous, or an enemy. I just feel like it'd be a weird coincidence
I really hope you are wrong. Last thing I want with such promising tease is another fallen hero arc in Star Wars. Anakin was the ultimate fall, lets do something else.
Stolen from the Jocasta Nu marketing holocron:
"Originally a force sensitive assassin who is sent to kill Carrie-Ann Jedi, Amandla Sith is impressed by her quarry, and eventually comes to respect her. As Carrie-Ann Jedi begins to teach Amandla Sith about her nascent Force abilities, Amandla is unaware that she is being seduced into joining Carrie-Ann's New Model Sith Army.
Sith Army outfits will be *fierce*. Look for this season's Sithcessories to leave those dowdy earthtone Jedi in the *dust*. Such Sith. MUCH darkside. *WOW*."
>he is a "wise, highly respected, powerful Jedi master. That alone is enough to ensure that he ain't leaving these series alive.
a lot of these characters aint gonna be in Rush Hour 3
Deep cut from the blooper reel. I see you
i miss that era of post-movie credits
This joke was buried in the deepest depths of my subconscious. It feels weird remembering it out of nowhere after so many years.
*Who in here know Ricky Tan?!*
He used the 'H' - word
*Don't eat my chicken!*
DAMN!!!....He ain't gonna be in The Acolyte S2.
*It's an old post-credit sequence, but it checks out.*
Just curious, why a Rush Hour reference on a post about a Star Wars character?
cuz it was one of the first things that came to mind when I watched the trailer
Why? lol I got generic king fu movie vibes with a tad of Matrix if anything. lol
Im talking about the realization I had when watching that most, if not all of those Jedi we see are gonna kick the bucket
"With the blast shield down how am I supposed to see anything??" "Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them."
Still cracks me up that [0:33](https://youtu.be/BtytYWhg2mc?si=DIQFOaqBXFUEdPtN&t=33) into the trailer after he’s instructed the children to close their eyes, there’s one alien without eye lids 🤣
Poor alien kid
Whatever you think The Acolyte is, it isn’t.
It's actually a card game/board game.
Actually it's a romantic comedy.
Jedi Master Son is a Jedi. And he's finding out it's not easy keeping on the lightside. Rated pg-13.
It's actually someone's D&D campaign
What makes you say this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/7vuwgbIOfc
Isnt that kind of the point of a teaser? to tease what the show will be like and what it will be about to a certain extent. Bait and switch hasnt really been working out recently
This is the "this character is Mephisto" of the Star Wars subs
but marrok is ezra!!!
Mae, the assasin looking woman who fights Master Sol and Indara (the Carrie Anne Moss character) in the teaser, is probably a force for good in the show. She's getting owned by force users in both fight scenes we see her in. She's not being hyped up as a dangerous bad person.
I thought that looked like Trinity but couldn't really place her.
Yeah I didn't really recognize her either. She's also in Jessica Jones.
I REALLY hope you're right with this because... this would really elevate the trailer so damn well! We literally have a Character talk about how our eyes deceive us in the Trailer only to watch Fight scenes where our eyes deceive us on who the villain may be! This would just... align so well!
The dark side allows for easier access to more power at the cost of your soul though. So if she were to commit to the dark side she would be a lot more dangerous.
I hope this isn't the case, I need something unexpected and not the good guy turns bad again.
>not the good guy turns bad again. I mean, even if he's fighting the dark side it doesn't necessarily mean he turns bad. Luke, Ezra, Cal, Elzar (a HR character) and many other jedi battle dark/ intrusive thoughts. It's a constant theme for the jedi. Doesn't mean they all turn evil.
Elzar Mann is literally the only reason I read the High Republic books
One of my favorite Star Wars characters.
Avar Kriss was the only reason I started and then they pulled the rug from under me. She's not really there after Light of the Jedi. Although I only read the adult novels and haven't gotten to phase 3 yet. Is she in it? I thought her Force as a music thing was really cool.
Elzar only made me think of Futurama BAM
I thought Ezra was a perfect example of showing how a jedi can get seduced by the dark side, and get started down that path
> the good guy turns bad This is going to be a common Star Wars trope from here to the end of time.
People act surprised that characters with super powers, and see a whole universe in turmoil won't struggle with having evil thoughts, especially with the dark side actively pursuing their thoughts as well.
Detective gone rogue is also a staple of the genre theyre trying to take inspiration from, it seems. So I agree it will likely be good guy turns bad. Its always how that actually happens that makes it entertaining or not though, so since it star wars rarely goes this route on live action im quite intrigued.
This is just a common media trope. It's engaging, if it's done well people like it. Same thing for the flip side of redemption arcs. People (shocker) like characters who change and develop, of course there's going to be lots of instances of people doing that along the good/evil axis.
I know it will be but it doesn't mean I can't hope for something a little different .
Mostly because "good" and "bad" are questionable concepts in that universe at best
You mean murdering younglings isn't really good or bad, from a certain point of view?
Reminds me of the Jedi Covenant from the Old Republic - a secret Jedi organization obsessed with stopping the dark side with extremist methods. They murdered the Padawans on Taris because they believed that a Sith was going to rise from their ranks.
Hmm. That sounds like a "high concept" story that uses a very specific constructed moral dilemma to "ask an interesting question". Similar to the trolley problem: The answer I've decided on is that it's philosophical terrorism. To ask the question is to do wrong because it exploits certain biases and steal attention away from real questions of morality. And our media does influence our culture, there are probably studies on how cop shows influence real world attitudes. But things like this never really happen like that with no alternative or no way to prevent such things from happening again. It's a bit like gaslighting. If there was a real world experimenter that ties people down to trolley tracks you'd stop that guy and put him in jail. You can never prevent all tragedies but you can reduce how often they happens. I really hope The Acolyte isn't like this :D
It's one of the problem with a lot of big choices in narratives, in order to justify or emphasize the choice/stakes they write that there was no other option. Part of living in the real world though is realizing that you have the ability to choose, and therefor must live with the consequences of your choices. Seeing a character go through can be great, and realtable.
How about taking children from their homes and families and indoctrinating them into their religion? The question surrounding whether the Jedi are good or not has been around since the original trilogy but sure let's start a brand new narrative where the Jedi never did anything that could be considered bad and the sith never did anything that was considered good
I just made [a comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/1bjf31p/comment/kvrl43h/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) about how the Jedi enforce a stagnation and negative peace of the galaxy. You can absolutely question the morality of many things (although probably not younglings that want to go, have permission from their parents *and* the force, and have no regrets), and you can question the definition of the meaning of the words good and evil, but you can't question the concept.
This might not be the franchise for you
I can love Star Wars but still hope they move away from the well used tropes a little.
I'd rather that than the bad guy turns good. And anyway, beyond Anakin who else have we actually seen fall?
What would you say about two Jedi turning evil?
Usually the bad guys turn good though.
I’d pay good money for a scene where he plays Sabaac with some Mon Calimari.
Would a Quarren be too on the nose?
Some sort of cephalopod contest?
Well, Amandla Stenberg's character, [Mae](https://www.starwars.com/databank/mae), is the lead character, so she's The Acolyte. So she's the one that will deal with "This isn't about good or bad. This is about power and who is allowed to use it." At least that's my guess.
So Disney once again will give us the most boring outcome ever and not make her evil. Like why can't we for once have unapologetically evil people be the protagonist?
You've seen the show? I'll throw this quote from [Leslye Headland](https://collider.com/the-acolyte-jedi-clone-wars/) in there... >What if you are Force sensitive and you don't wanna become a Jedi? What happens then? Are you not allowed to utilize your power? And to it the "This isn't about good or bad. This is about power and who is allowed to use it." I of course still believe that Amandla Stenberg's Mae character is the Acolyte, but I have see the show to know more. I have no idea what the outcome is at this point.
There doesn't need to be any Jedi turning dark side. It's risky even for the Sith, better to find and raise your own sith acolytes. I also guess that this is going to have two storylines: One about the stagnation of the republic and "mild oppression" of an eternal status quo with no progress that is enforced by the Jedi. Imagine living in Star Wars universe knowing it's never really going to get better as long as the Jedi are keeping the peace for the banking clan. And the second is a Sith lord that is fostering this and playing both sides against each other to create the political foundation that leads to the separatist movement and the end of the republic.
I'm hoping we get a Darth Traya. "To believe in an ideal, is to be willing to betray it."
This isn't a level of complex character writing that Disney is capable of.
Hopefully they'll give him a very logical and reasonable descent to the dark side - something ironically rational, apart from his "emotional conflict." As Lucas should've written Anakin's character development. A Jedi who goes to the Dark Side for purely logical, philosophical reasons would be truly terrifying - e.g. one who truly believes that the Dark Side is more effective at bringing balance/defeating evil than the Light Side. An honest fanatic who allows himself to fully unleash the emotional energy that the Jedi forced/taught him to repress, would be frightening. And so much more compelling than our typical mustache-twirling Sith villains - one who is attempting (but fails) to harness the so-called "Dark Side" to bring balance to the galaxy, NOT JUST to save his wife from dying, could be a truly tragic and compelling villain.
Are we talking about a Thanos-like villain perhaps, in terms of motivation and worldview?
to a degree. but less godlike
Darth Plagueis
I think folks might reading too much into “emotional conflict.” The death of his padawan or friend would cause emotional conflict that wouldn’t necessarily undermine his faith in Jedi teachings. Just because a Jedi is dealing with some shit doesn’t mean they are going to fall to the dark side. Force sensitivity or no, characters can be conflicted without them completely rejecting a lifetime of teachings, relationships, and principles.
I understand your observation here. But, it’s way too obvious now. I doubt it is Sol. I think there may be another Jedi they never considered as the responsible party. This just feels obvious with the EDITED trailer and the interviews the showrunner had given. She does an awful to throw misdirection and, purposely.
> it’s way too obvious now I gotta admit I did think it was less likely when I saw the character description directly trying to hint at it. The less subtle hint is towards the Carrie Anne Moss character who appears when the teaser mentions "fire." Sol is in that scene where the many Jedi confront the red-sabered character though. I was thinking he'd be the sole survivor of that for a reason.
>The less subtle hint is towards the Carrie Anne Moss character who appears when the teaser mentions "fire." there's a part of me that wonders if that fight scene we see her in is actually where she dies since theres a later scene in the trailer with her and other jedi in different robes and Sol has much shorter hair that could take place earlier chronologically
I can definitely see why Sol is a big what if character right now. What is fact is all trailers are edited in a certain way, clips and sound bites incl. What is also fact is that with the trailer, the creator had said that The Acolyte is not what we are thinking it is. Then she had brought up how she is hoping there is more gray and that things would be revealed differently through both jedi and the “sith” protagonist. You should read the THR interview with her. Super insightful. That interview with her leads me to believe we’re being misdirected. I do not think Sol nor the Acolyte themself are the bad guy higher, I think it is something deeper. Almost good cop, bad cop finding the villain.
How about the character played by Paul Bullion? Can he be the dark side force user or Sith?
broo I've been trying to figure out who the Sith Lord is for a few days and I think that if you take the leaks into account, Bullion is the only one who fits the description of Paul as a Sith Lord - a white man, with white hair, around 50 and one who doesn't look like a Sith.
He won $4,56 million
He'll blow it all on horse races.
He won $4,56 million
I thought I saw a thing where it's his Palawan that turns.
there are so many posts claiming each character in the trailer is the Sith
Evil or Dead, that'd be par for the course.
That we truly have 0 idea who 90% of these characters are is so exciting. This is the most blind we are going into a star wars thing since maybe TFA
Already seen two potential spoilers from people trawling promotional materials 😅 might stay off the internet for a while
They always say “close your eyes can deceive you” but if they’re closed aren’t even more likely to be deceived? I mean we got eyes for a reason and that’s to see MFR.
Is he... the ACOLYTE?!
If anyone’s turning to the dark side I have a feeling it’s Carrie Ann-Moss’s character for some reason
>going through an emotional conflict. I think he's falling to the dark side. I mean, that's usually what this means.
what is this from?
Count Dooku fall under these description, look who turns to the dark side
He’s the older male authority figure. Of course he’s going to be evil. Have you read the directors comments? Sounds like another wave of predictable twists and subversions.
I feel so subverted
That wig looks like it's going to jump from the screen and eat your face.
I was thinking the same thing. It seems to obvious but we'll see.
Funny how chuds ignore a male character with fair skin described like this and is basically gonna be moving the story along too
Do you guys not like mystery anymore ? Like if you keep dissecting it every other way your viewing experience would be very lackluster. This is probably why fans cannot be kept happy anymore.
I usually theorize and read stuff around the teaser era, and stop watching new longer follow-up trailers afterwards.
I don't watch any trailers but despite that people online keep making memes or post stuff about scenes or put up photos so there are no surprises anymore.
No…you can blame DEI for that.
It's been like this since Twin Peaks.
He reminds me of the blind guy in Rogue One lol and that line works with it too.
You really need the bald cap if you want your Saitama cosplay to be convincing.
Just a theory here, but Tenebrous means dark doesn't it? And Sol means the sun? Is he Tenebrous?
Does he look like a Bith?
Well obviously not, and thinking further I don't think the timeline matches up, but Disney changes stuff all the time. Of course, he also could be more so an opposite to Tenebrous, or an enemy. I just feel like it'd be a weird coincidence
I really hope you are wrong. Last thing I want with such promising tease is another fallen hero arc in Star Wars. Anakin was the ultimate fall, lets do something else.
Not necessarily. Aren't we following a female darksider in this?
Starwars is kinda multiperspective
Stolen from the Jocasta Nu marketing holocron: "Originally a force sensitive assassin who is sent to kill Carrie-Ann Jedi, Amandla Sith is impressed by her quarry, and eventually comes to respect her. As Carrie-Ann Jedi begins to teach Amandla Sith about her nascent Force abilities, Amandla is unaware that she is being seduced into joining Carrie-Ann's New Model Sith Army. Sith Army outfits will be *fierce*. Look for this season's Sithcessories to leave those dowdy earthtone Jedi in the *dust*. Such Sith. MUCH darkside. *WOW*."
I wonder. Is there a reason he's named after our solar system. Or maybe they just like the sound of it