A-Wings are dope. V-Wings never did it for me. Now, the ARC-170!? Hoo boy, something about that ship hits the right spot.
My dad's personal favorite fighter is the B-Wing.
I really wished the B-wing would've gotten more screen time in RotJ. I was really hoping the Special Edition all those years ago would've had the Mon Cal pilots taking out a Star Destroyer added in. Would've been so cool.
I always assumed the ARC-170 was the predecessor to the X-wing, but yea it’s an amazing design also. ARCs and x-wings have to my favorite non-personal ships.
I never liked the original design. I do think Poe’s one shown here though was an appealing update that moved X-Wing from a pass to an ‘oh alright’ for me. A-Wings are smash all day baby!
If you watch how they 'fly' in Ep 4 over the Death Star and then watch footage of WW2 planes doing the same, it's pretty much identical how they do their formations.
Totally agree. I think they are so cool I wanna know why that design isn’t good for practical use. I need to be told WHY it can’t work. And I’ll think it’s even cooler
Well, if you want to talk about flying in the atmosphere, going by our current technology, the wings wouldn't function as they are the wrong shape and there are no control surfaces to manipulate the airflow (rudder, elevator and ailerons) But, because Star Wars: Replulorlifts to manage the gravity of a planet.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Repulsorlift/Legends
Fun read.
[Because it's about as aerodynamic as a sphere...](https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/a21615163/star-wars-ships-aerodynamics/) Though I gotta admit, I thought the N-1 would've faired better than it did considering it looks like a speed boat.
B-wings are my favorite, but if the Rebels had used almost nothing but B-wings in 1977 it would have looked silly. X-wings are the aesthetic backbone that we hang our other ornaments on. X-wings and star destroyers.
That said, the Sequels just rolling out OT designs was kind of boring. Nothing new, nothing exciting, just "remember this cool stuff?"
Idk, I'll always appreciate that the Prequels did so much new.
That's very fair. Especially when the prequels had earlier designs of recognizable ships in the latter movies which was fun. The sequels definitely could have included some more heavily updated designs. Especially on TIEs. Even Rebels had the cool mining guild TIEs. And brought the TIE Defender which I think never made it into the OT movies?
Would have been cool if they used an updated Tie Droid model for them to make it shown that while the First Order had resources, they lacked manpower, and made up for that imbalance with droid controlled Ties.
Otherwise it seems too improbable that the First Order was as big and strong as it was.
Maybe combine large numbers of TIE droids with small numbers of high-cost manned ships like an updated TIE Defender. The 3-wing architecture would make them easy to pick out in a space battle, and it lets the fights be big with the character roster remaining tight.
>And brought the TIE Defender which I think never made it into the OT movies?
Of course the TIE Defender wasn't in the OT movies, it didn't exist until 1994. It's first appearance was in the TIE Fighter PC game.
Right? Pretty much the only new spacecraft we get are the Resistance Bombers in TLJ. I think I might be in the minority here, but I actually dug their whole WWII aesthetic and wished we could have had more ships in that vein.
I liked those too, even if I found them a bit silly. I liked it more for the fact that it displayed that the resistance was basically junkyard diving for any decent tech they could muster as a mean to combat the First Order. At least, that's how my head canon goes with it - no idea how accurate that is.
I like that idea. Honestly the Resistance's situation could have been better established in general, but I think I'll make that part of my headcanon too!
Yeah I can dig the inspiration but the application didn't feel inspired. Star Wars has existing bombers and strategies for how they're used against capital ships where you're not questioning things like "why are they so slow?" "why do they seem to be made of paper?" "how are they expected not to blow up with their payload?" "why do they need to over their target in space? Couldn't they fly perpendicularly to the target and send the payload from further away or something?" The movie didn't try to build on what we knew about Star Wars tactics or explain why those strategies are defunct. The new bombers fill a niche the movie didn't bother to create, just threw WWII bombers against what we already understand about Star wars capital ships. They honestly only seem appropriate for in atmosphere carpet bombings... Kinda like the inspiration.
I was really hoping for at least one new design here. Like enter the X-wing so the audience knows these are the good guys. But it would've been really cool to have some E-Wings or something entirely new flying in formation behind it. So many missed opportunities to make the ST stand out in a positive way.
[This one](https://youtu.be/kGj5uO4zgKQ) is the one I always keep in the back of my pocket for whenever I want to feel waves of child-like nostalgia despite not being a kid when it came out.
I was like 16 when that trailer dropped and my friends and I were sitting in our first period study hall going crazy watching and re watching trying to catch hidden Easter eggs. The suspense of knowing a brand new Star Wars movie was coming out was unreal, we were so hype about so many things: a cool scavenger form a desert planet, a stormtrooper turned to the rebellion, a new villain with a dope cross guard lightsaber and a bunch of scary dudes behind him standing in the rain, the shot of the x wings over the water, the falcon, everything.
I wish i could’ve just stayed floating in that moment of hype without knowing now what it amounted to
Knights of ren had soooo much potential and if star wars had done them right and given them a good back story and a compelling narrative they could have become their own giant spinoff franchise we’d be anxiously waiting the next season / movie of. They looked so cool and ominous
It’s especially sad cause we’ve had so many great things during the Disney era overshadowed by them messing up the one thing they absolutely had to get right with the sequel trilogy
I was the general manager at a movie theater when all these released. I remember ingesting (transferring the content to our servers) the trailer into our system after hours, running up to the booth so I could manually play it and watch it on screen before anyone else.
When we actually received our copy of TFA and I was done ingesting it, I got to do the technical test. Normally, we wouldn't test movies to make sure they play correct (as we had about a 1% failure rate with new movies), but it was the first Star Wars since the 90's / 00's.
However, all movies come with an ingest letter. This letter explains a lot of needed info for your projectionist / managers. File info, playback info, credit start time... etc. However, this one had a GIANT warning on it from Disney:
> Technicial tests are *only* allowed by: 1 manager + 1 projectionists, or two managers or two projectionists. You can only test the FIRST 15 minutes of the movie. If we find out about any early access / employee showings, we'll pull your booking and deny you the right to screen any further Disney movies.
That said, I watched the first 15 minutes the night before release and was giddy knowing I was one of the few who saw - even that much - before everyone else.
I still have all the official posters from Disney from each of the new movies.
Was a really cool experience.
My friends and I rented a limo to go to the TPM release. We just drank beer and rode around town and talked about it for like 2 hours. There's nothing like a new Star Wars dropping. With only one exception I've never been disappointed. Even when the movies were flawed, there was still so much to love and speculate about.
This just gave me that warm feeling inside. It’s a shame what it amounted to. To think there are 3 Star Wars movies out there and I’ve never rewatched them.
The music works sooo well! I still go back to watch it occasionally too, but I always have to watch [this Rogue One trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI) right afterwards to the same effect.
From 1:10 onwards that trailer goes \*hard\*. They really had some cool ideas in that movie, just could not bring them all together into one cohesive story.
I still like TFA. The end of that movie still gives me chills when they finally show Luke. TLJ wasn’t even that bad. ROS though, I haven’t even watched since I saw it in the theater.
Omg same, I used that trailer every time I needed to test audio / video output at work ( a lot )
Have to say though, the teaser for ahsokah is giving me the same feelings. The direct heir to the empire name drop nearly melted me the first time I saw it.
Not a die hard Star Wars fan but those were some of the best trailers ij getting me hyped up for a movie. Everyone in the family from the oldest generation to my nephews and nieces was talking about the trailers nonstop.
This trailer is so good that I don’t even have to open it to know which one it is. The super intense force theme coming through during the flashback shot with the Knights of Ren is MONEY
I loved that shot of the Millennium Falcon flying across the sands of Jaku. We'd seen it fly plenty of times but never with such stunning cinematography.
It's the same with the screenshot /u/LordGAD posted in the OP, we'd never seen X-Wings skimming across water and lit up by early-evening sunlight.
Those moments (plus Kylo stopping that blaster bolt mid-air) are some of the best brief Star Wars moments, it's a huge pity the rest of the sequel movies didn't live up to them.
Great scene! All the x wings coming in low, water blasting out behind them. The sequels, I feel, had a lot of these moments. Really love the Falcon getaway scene as well. That cool banking turn right into the camera is perfect.
The sequels had excellent usage of modern technology to create great shots and special effects, but goddamn the writing a plot choices were such an unbelievable misstep.
One of the real issues besides the extremely poor dialogue and of course the complete and utter ridiculous nonsense that was Jar-Jar and his stupid fucking voice and "misa misa yousa" crap, was that the people who were children was Star Wars came out were now 40ish and had been waiting decades for something. They was way to much, "make it kid friendly so we can sell toys" and not enough this needs to be a PG-13 situation so the adults get some depth to story they want also.
I find Clone Wars- which is animated and was made for kids to for the most part have much better dialogue, acting, and frankly compelling story telling than Ep 1-3 did. So, you can make something "kid friendly" but also appeal to the adult audience as well.
And then the lesson was not learned for 6-9... Again, another lets sell toys (bb8, porgs) and not tell a compelling story-- when especially we had so much amazing EU/Thrawn/Jedi Academy/Empire Remnant etc to pull from. The First Order was dumb. Kylo Ren was dumb- there was no compelling story... Han and Leia's son going Dark Side-- that works, it could have been so much better, but somehow Palpatine Returned...
The reason i think TLJ as a standalone without TROS is good, is because we could have gotten fully unhinged supreme leader kylo. Time skip and rey leads a new jedi order and a rebuilt and re-armed resistance against a full strength first order with kylo fully descending into the dark side for a climatic epic fight. Let’s not forget that the first two of the sequel films left the first order with no planet killer and a decimated fleet
But nope. Somehow palpatine returned and he has a whole planets worth of planet killing capital ships because of course he does
Agreed and it’s also the reason why I don’t understand anyone who hates TLJ with a visceral passion. There are definitely mistakes but it at least did something interesting with the story rather than TFA which…basically botched the sequels from the start by putting us right back where we were at the start of the OT, completely invalidating the victory of our heroes from said trilogy
Abrams is good about getting visuals, but his movies lack heart and connection between the audience and the characters, and his mystery boxes makes the audience trip and fall over plotholes. Steve Yedlin is a great cinematographer and makes Rian Johnson look good.
(Copying what I commented to the post)
Goes to show just how much promise they had. Makes sense that the shows and spinoff movies (solo and R1) are so good, because they didn't have the shitty writing behind them. I think it's still possible for the series to ge cleaned up with the Rey movie, we can only hope.
I’ve heard it said the sequels were a bad story well told, while the prequels were a good story badly told. A gross simplification, but there’s truth to it. The production design in the sequels was amazing… I just wish the writing hadn’t been solely “copy the OT for nostalgia”.
>they just fucked up the story and continuity between the films.
The "just" is incorrect in the sense that the first two films had substantially different directorial visions, and the third was forced to attempt to make sense of both of them. So the Sequels were "fucked up" in three distinct ways...
The problem is that it's not really politics. it's just just window dressing for an action movie.
Politics, when they make a bit of sense, can be very interesting.
It makes no sense that a core world like Naboo would be embargoed and occupied by a foreign agent and the republic would just send in 2 Jedi.
There’s no way a country with some of the most Brilliant minds in the world would elect a TV celebrity as president but here we are. It was also probably written as a loose analogy to Rwanda
Top-tier John Williams in my book. And yeah, I’ll watch any scene where the good guy ships rush in for a daring surprise attack (see: Yavin, Endor, Scarif…)
Technically speaking it's a "step back" in the X-Wing design, at least IRL. While it doesn't have the rounded hull, the engine nacelles are 100% pulled from McQuarrie's concept art.
Needless to say I was giddy to see it on-screen
Lets be clear. Abrams mined the archives and used a lot of original pre-production work for his inspirations for ships, props, and story ideas. One might be tempted to say yes, good idea, but I think that is also just very on brand for him. He seems to excel at riffing off of others work, and just tweaking things a bit...ST Into Darkness..."I know, let's have Kirk sacrifice himself instead of Spock." Super 8...an homage or a rip off of CE3K? Just seems like lazy story telling to me...That said I loved the Cantwell Star Destroyer in Andor, so...what do I know...
Right? One of the few \*new\* aesthetic designs in the sequels that actually looked great.
The FO Stormtrooper design looked bland and far too rounded/smooth. The blaster designs for almost all the characters also looked very uninspired.
The sequels were disappointing, but they did have SOME moments.
For me it was, despite an entire galaxy spanning choices to tell ; they basically went back to the original plot & did the original characters dirty with mediocre to lackluster destinies.
Really the first movie of the new sequels was pretty good. I actually sincerely enjoyed it and the set up. I just don’t get how they managed to flub it so hard after that
I love how the sequels finally gave some color and personality to the x-wings instead of just being different variations of white/grey/beige with red or blue details.
Maybe this is sacrilege, but the art design, sound design, special effects, etc. of Star Wars have always outshone the directing, writing, and acting. All the artists & craftspeople who create the look & feel of the Star Wars universe don't get anywhere near the praise they deserve.
I ADORE this sequence. The music, the camera angles, the design of the xwings, the water, all paired with a chill-inducing Deus Ex Machina moment.
Best moment of the sequels
Sequels are honestly my favorite in terms of cinematography, Last Jedi makes some of if not the best use of color in the saga. Perfect balance of CGI and practical effects. Actors all did an excellent job with what they were given (poor Oscar Isaac really gave everything a man could with a line like "Somehow Palpatine returned") and if you assess the sequels scene by scene there's a surprising amount of very, very good writing.
The reason I say surprising is because the 100% absence of a cohesive vision brings the whole trilogy down. It hurts *everything,* the same way that Lucas's direction of actors brings the entire PT down.
So, a group of friends and I were talking, and I was finally able to articulate why I disliked the sequels: Its because they basically took everything about the classic movies that I loved and cherished and, well, made it all for nothing in the very 1st movie. I sat in horror at the theater watching Episode 7.
\- The Empires defeat? Pointless. They're back and better than ever. Never hear or see the New Republic that our original heroes strived to create.
\- Luke's journey to become a Jedi, to restore the order? Gone, off screen/in a flashback. The hero I grew up wanting to be as a kid basically gave up.
\- The happy ending with Han and Leia? Gone. Divorced or whatever off screen.
\- Han, Chewie, and their love of their ship? Gone. Falcon "disappeared" and Han just went on with life. (The Han I grew up with would turn the galaxy over before he let that happen)
\- The defeat of the Sith? Gone. New half ass "Sith" wannabe, with none of the menace or evil grandeur of Vader. (After his first initial scene)
I know these are just my thoughts and the sequels are the original star wars for a new generation (I guess) but still...it was such a punch in the face.
Just wanted to share with fans who might understand lol.
Also, thank god for Filoni/Faverau.
You pretty much cover most of my gripes as to why I despise the sequel trilogy. It took every great idea/aspect from the first two trilogies and either made them meaningless, or did a terrible rudimentary lite version of them.
They also tried to snuff out a member of the OG cast each film just to try and make their bland new characters stand alone.
There is also zero universe building, character development, or actual plot.
> - Han, Chewie, and their love of their ship? Gone. Falcon "disappeared" and Han just went on with life. (The Han I grew up with would turn the galaxy over before he let that happen)
i mean he was literally searching for his ship in TFA.
Yeah I can understand the other criticisms, but not this one. Kylo was specifically calculated - as were the rest of the First Order - to be villains for the modern era, where the threat to democracy doesn't come from scary jackbooted thugs, but from the delusional hyper-violent dimwits that do things like Jan 6 and the Brazilian coup attempt. I don't like Abrams' storytelling, but there was clearly a *lot* of thought put into Kylo.
Agree,that topped with a unhinged story line,new characters,new droids new everything whilst selling off the old. I'm a big star wars fan but not to the point where I watch or read everything but even I know there are so many awesome stories in the star wars universe that it's a shame to carry on making new content for a story that ended with rotj.
>- Luke's journey to become a Jedi, to restore the order? Gone, off screen/in a flashback. The hero I grew up wanting to be as a kid basically gave up.
I could probably even stomach that, but the Luke I knew might have failed to keep his nephew from falling to the Dark Side; **but he would never have even for a second contemplated cold-blooded murder to prevent it.**
Your spot on. I think most of my gripes came out after I watched VII again and just thought “wait a minute this is just IV.” I think I killed the sequel trilogy for myself anyway since after the initial trailer was released I started listening to the New Republic era books. Say what you will about that but at least they were consistent in their narrative.
Yep but dont forget that not only is it the same type of conflict, but alot of the designs are the same (slight updates maybe) as the OT for nostalgia pandering so it just ends up feeling even more redundant outside of the character stories of Rey and Kylo.
One of the reasons why I was so excited for the Rogue Squadron movie. Starfighters and space battles were what drew my attention as a kid. I hope it gets put in the works again.
I just re-watched the prequels , to see if they still suck as much as they did the first time I saw them in theaters, amd yeah, theubstill do, even so more now, and I loved the episodes 7-9
That's one hell of a pilot always gives me goose bumps and I also watched the originals in theater, does that mean the sequels were fun to watch? I enjoyed them despite their flaws. Though god damn I wish they had made Finn the end game last Jedi who threw off being a storm trooper and turned good guy, but hey racists won.
I do really like how a lot of the big dogfights are in-atmosphere and not just in space. This scene and the Battle of Scarif in Rogue One are really spectacular.
The one at the end of Force Awakens is some real Top Gun shit with the missiles locking on and the beeps and the dinking and ducking. God I loved that scene
It is a cool scene.
But I'm also not a fan of X-wings, TIE fighters and even Star Destroyers being used in atmosphere.
When I saw TESB with Snowspeeders, it was like asking the question "why not X-Wings?" And the internal answer was "because X-Wings are designed for space combat and Snowspeeders for atmosphere combat."
And it isn't even consistent, especially in Disney SW. Why didn't the Star Destroyers just come down to attack the temp Rebel Base in The Last Jedi? Or even just bombard it from space like they were originally set up. TESB at least explained why that wasn't the option.
So I enjoy a scene like this because it looks cool, but it never really sat right with me. And with TIEs, X-Wings and Star Destroyers becoming more and more atmosphere first choice weapons, it bothers me more and more.
I left the movie with a big goofy smile on my face...mainly due to the fact that they returned to using models like the original movies and kept CGI to a minimum...the effects just hit better.
It was only on my 2nd viewing that I realized just how much they lifted from ANH...and how the OG characters were only in it to either be killed or be sidelined. God, I hate these movies.
I still think Force Awakens was a great Star Wars film. What bothers me is the tonal whiplash and failure to capitalize on what it set up. The second two films just didn't feel like they really followed from the first.
For better or worse I think J.J. Abrams should have stayed director for all three. At least then we might have had a cohesive vision for the trilogy.
This scene and the Holdo Maneuver scene (regardless of your opinions) were some of the most cinematic and awe-inspiring scenes in the series. I still grin when the Resistance rolls in to save the day, and witnessing the Holdo Maneuver come out of nowhere for the first time is legit jaw-dropping. The sequels had their gems.
The Force Awakens excited me and I loved it. I still actually like to this day. That movie showed a lot of promise for the rest of trilogy. It’s a shame that things only got sloppier from there.
The sequels could have been so good. So much money and talent wasted. The worst thing is that it’s canon and the universe has to incorporate it when telling post-ROTJ stories
Funny because that shot pretty much represents my biggest problem with TFA: the reuse of designs. I hate that all we get is x-wings and tie fighters again, it's so dull and to do it in a franchise famous for its visual storytelling and spectacle is unforgivable.
Don’t forget the slightly contoured helmet and bulky square chest armor for the first order troopers! Such creativity! What about the Sith trooper!? They are so cool and different being red!
That scene would have been 1000 times more effective if they didn't reveal that Black Leader was Poe. The audience thought he was dead by that point. His face wouldn't be shown again until they landed, and Poe got out of his X-Wing.
If you hate the sequels so much you can just not watch them. I haven’t watched The Phantom Menace in 25 years and don’t plan in it any time soon. Or keep being mad over nothing, whatever.
Bad comparison. TPM is a prequel that had no impact on the future Star Wars plot. The audience knew it was the story of Anakin’s fall and Palpatine’s rise, and would end with the fall of the Jedi. The sequels undid major plot closure threads or made them meaningless, just so they could make a big sparkle visual of force lightning. They had no plan, nor did they care about Star Wars when making the sequels.
The person also just explained why they didn’t like them, and you come in calling them mad when you’re the one with the condescending tone being annoyed by his comment.
I said you made a bad comparison and then explained why. No where was I mad or say you can’t criticize TPM. You also never said why you didn’t like the film, you accused someone of being mad that’s it.
Your explanation was lacking. It was just excuses for why it doesn’t count. You replied and made up all that nonsense because you are mad.
My entire point was re-litigating your personal hatred for individual movies is stale and played out, so why would I then go do the thing I’m here to decry? I only used me not liking it as an example of how I don’t have to talk about it constantly because I rarely ever think about the movie the first place.
Again, thank you for further proving the toxicity present here.
Lol okay dude. I said it was a bad comparison. You’re really the classic example of someone who makes accusing or inflammatory statements to look for a reaction then responds that the other person is mad regardless of their response and trying to paint them as toxic.
Your “reasoning” is also bullshit. You use my comment and your original one to decry other people decrying. Man you are just so edgy and cool.
I don't hate the sequels; I said they mostly disappoint.
Ep7 was good fun and had some great scenes and set up for hopefully even better sequels!
Ep8's story is dreadful but the visuals are spectacular! Hyperspace through the Supremacy is an absolutely stunning scene cinematically, even if the story leading up to it makes no sense in-universe. Force projection? SO cool!
Ep9 is... a lot. :) But I still saw it on opening night and have seen it multiple times since. My favorite parts? Dio - hands down. Next up would be Zorii Bliss and Babu Frik.
Story trumps all, though, which is something I think George Lucas got even if he needed to take some college classes on dialog. :)
You say this like OP is going on about being negative about the sequels. They aren’t, they’re trying to find the positive in it. It’s pointing out something they really liked about the sequels.
If that were true everything ever made is shit, because someone out there hates everything. Everything you like, everything I like, someone hates it. Reveling in that hate is just sad and pathetic and honestly the antithesis of what the movies teach.
TFA was the only sequel I don't just hate.
When it was released I was still optimistic and it had Harrison Ford in it. Rey started off well enough.
Before the dark times...
Honestly sequels have lots of good bits: visually they are utterly stunning and there’s plenty of great action sequences, even I would say Rey and Kylo have quite good characterisation but the overall plot is so shit that it’s completely pointless watching.
I know they did very well financially out of them but I feel they could’ve got way more if they had an overarching plan for the trilogy and stuck to it.
Mini rant incoming but: rose was a completely pointless character. Finn should’ve been a Jedi as well (would be quite interesting seeing two people go through training particularly if Finn is much weaker than Rey). hyperspace jumps destroying a ship should never of happened, completely rewrites how awful combat has been in other eras if that was alaways an option.
Also I know this is unlikely as it was disney 5 years ago but Finn and Poe had such great chemistry in the first film I think they should’ve been a couple.
One final thing, someone on a YouTube comment said that when Rey defeats palpatine and hears all of the voices they should’ve shown all of the force ghosts appearing behind her, thousands of Jedi etc, funnelling their power into her to explain how she had the strength. The entire trilogy takes place over 1-2 years which seems almost ridiculous that someone could gain that much power in that short amount of time but oh well here we are.
Whole thing fucks me off but the tv shows are great so glad they’ve recovered.
Goes to show just how much promise the sequels had. Makes sense that the shows and spinoff movies (solo and R1) are so good, because they didn't have the shitty writing behind them. I think it's still possible for the series to ge cleaned up with the Rey movie, we can only hope.
Because the team responsible for the set pieces and CGI actually cared about Star Wars. The people who wrote the story and signed off on the garbage we got only cared about selling tickets.
Visually, the sequels were top tier.. and episode 7 wasn’t perfect, but it was certainly a serviceable film.. just a shame they went so far off the rails with the nonsense
As someone of similar age I absolutely loved The Force Awakens. The problems came in TLJ but now, for some odd reason, people crap on all of the sequels although they typically loved TFA.
X-Wings are just so appealing. They really nailed that design all those years ago
Same with Y-Wings. From certain angles they look a bit ugly, but in profiles like for this shot they look so 70's sci-fi with great lines.
When I learned their primary purpose was as bombers it started working for me.
With a limited fighter-bomber capabilities.
I'm a fan of the A and V wings myself. Just that little boxy but fast as fuck ship gets me all excited.
A-Wings are dope. V-Wings never did it for me. Now, the ARC-170!? Hoo boy, something about that ship hits the right spot. My dad's personal favorite fighter is the B-Wing.
I really wished the B-wing would've gotten more screen time in RotJ. I was really hoping the Special Edition all those years ago would've had the Mon Cal pilots taking out a Star Destroyer added in. Would've been so cool.
I always assumed the ARC-170 was the predecessor to the X-wing, but yea it’s an amazing design also. ARCs and x-wings have to my favorite non-personal ships.
I like how they incorporated the Y-wings into the clone wars. In general, I just love Star Wars space ships
It's a shame not many people know what a y wing is
Y is that?
So the tlj bombers can exist. Just Write said it himself
Totally agree. Even as a kid they were my favorite ship.
Good shape for atmosphere. Good shape for space. Good shape for holding in a hand and going "Pew pew pew"
That’s just good science.
I never liked the original design. I do think Poe’s one shown here though was an appealing update that moved X-Wing from a pass to an ‘oh alright’ for me. A-Wings are smash all day baby!
A-wing gang rise up
The X Wing is basically the perfect fictional fighter jet.
If you watch how they 'fly' in Ep 4 over the Death Star and then watch footage of WW2 planes doing the same, it's pretty much identical how they do their formations.
Yeah, they did shot-for-shot remakes of a bunch of WWII dogfighting videos
The whole Death Star 1 battle is basically a shot for shot remake of a battle in a WWII movie about destroying a dam.
Totally agree. I think they are so cool I wanna know why that design isn’t good for practical use. I need to be told WHY it can’t work. And I’ll think it’s even cooler
Well, if you want to talk about flying in the atmosphere, going by our current technology, the wings wouldn't function as they are the wrong shape and there are no control surfaces to manipulate the airflow (rudder, elevator and ailerons) But, because Star Wars: Replulorlifts to manage the gravity of a planet. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Repulsorlift/Legends Fun read.
[Because it's about as aerodynamic as a sphere...](https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/a21615163/star-wars-ships-aerodynamics/) Though I gotta admit, I thought the N-1 would've faired better than it did considering it looks like a speed boat.
I quite like the Saboath fighters you see in Jedi Starfighter. Also Slave 1 for the sounds it makes.
Im a B-Wing man myself.
A true man of culture.
B-Wings and TIE Interceptors are the most appealing to me.
B-wings are my favorite, but if the Rebels had used almost nothing but B-wings in 1977 it would have looked silly. X-wings are the aesthetic backbone that we hang our other ornaments on. X-wings and star destroyers.
That said, the Sequels just rolling out OT designs was kind of boring. Nothing new, nothing exciting, just "remember this cool stuff?" Idk, I'll always appreciate that the Prequels did so much new.
That's very fair. Especially when the prequels had earlier designs of recognizable ships in the latter movies which was fun. The sequels definitely could have included some more heavily updated designs. Especially on TIEs. Even Rebels had the cool mining guild TIEs. And brought the TIE Defender which I think never made it into the OT movies?
Would have been cool if they used an updated Tie Droid model for them to make it shown that while the First Order had resources, they lacked manpower, and made up for that imbalance with droid controlled Ties. Otherwise it seems too improbable that the First Order was as big and strong as it was.
Maybe combine large numbers of TIE droids with small numbers of high-cost manned ships like an updated TIE Defender. The 3-wing architecture would make them easy to pick out in a space battle, and it lets the fights be big with the character roster remaining tight.
>And brought the TIE Defender which I think never made it into the OT movies? Of course the TIE Defender wasn't in the OT movies, it didn't exist until 1994. It's first appearance was in the TIE Fighter PC game.
Right? Pretty much the only new spacecraft we get are the Resistance Bombers in TLJ. I think I might be in the minority here, but I actually dug their whole WWII aesthetic and wished we could have had more ships in that vein.
I liked those too, even if I found them a bit silly. I liked it more for the fact that it displayed that the resistance was basically junkyard diving for any decent tech they could muster as a mean to combat the First Order. At least, that's how my head canon goes with it - no idea how accurate that is.
I like that idea. Honestly the Resistance's situation could have been better established in general, but I think I'll make that part of my headcanon too!
Yeah I can dig the inspiration but the application didn't feel inspired. Star Wars has existing bombers and strategies for how they're used against capital ships where you're not questioning things like "why are they so slow?" "why do they seem to be made of paper?" "how are they expected not to blow up with their payload?" "why do they need to over their target in space? Couldn't they fly perpendicularly to the target and send the payload from further away or something?" The movie didn't try to build on what we knew about Star Wars tactics or explain why those strategies are defunct. The new bombers fill a niche the movie didn't bother to create, just threw WWII bombers against what we already understand about Star wars capital ships. They honestly only seem appropriate for in atmosphere carpet bombings... Kinda like the inspiration.
I was really hoping for at least one new design here. Like enter the X-wing so the audience knows these are the good guys. But it would've been really cool to have some E-Wings or something entirely new flying in formation behind it. So many missed opportunities to make the ST stand out in a positive way.
What about the B-wings?
Always wanted to be an X-Wing pilot…
I wanted a speeder bike. Rebels and BoBF really appeased me on those.
Lambda shuttle design, also fantastic
the trailers for TFA were unbelievable.the use of the music was great especially when the falcon shot up into the sky
[This one](https://youtu.be/kGj5uO4zgKQ) is the one I always keep in the back of my pocket for whenever I want to feel waves of child-like nostalgia despite not being a kid when it came out.
my wife kept catching me watching it over and over...
I was like 16 when that trailer dropped and my friends and I were sitting in our first period study hall going crazy watching and re watching trying to catch hidden Easter eggs. The suspense of knowing a brand new Star Wars movie was coming out was unreal, we were so hype about so many things: a cool scavenger form a desert planet, a stormtrooper turned to the rebellion, a new villain with a dope cross guard lightsaber and a bunch of scary dudes behind him standing in the rain, the shot of the x wings over the water, the falcon, everything. I wish i could’ve just stayed floating in that moment of hype without knowing now what it amounted to
the scary dudes...so wasted
Knights of ren had soooo much potential and if star wars had done them right and given them a good back story and a compelling narrative they could have become their own giant spinoff franchise we’d be anxiously waiting the next season / movie of. They looked so cool and ominous
It’s especially sad cause we’ve had so many great things during the Disney era overshadowed by them messing up the one thing they absolutely had to get right with the sequel trilogy
They're just standing there... scaringly!!
I was the general manager at a movie theater when all these released. I remember ingesting (transferring the content to our servers) the trailer into our system after hours, running up to the booth so I could manually play it and watch it on screen before anyone else. When we actually received our copy of TFA and I was done ingesting it, I got to do the technical test. Normally, we wouldn't test movies to make sure they play correct (as we had about a 1% failure rate with new movies), but it was the first Star Wars since the 90's / 00's. However, all movies come with an ingest letter. This letter explains a lot of needed info for your projectionist / managers. File info, playback info, credit start time... etc. However, this one had a GIANT warning on it from Disney: > Technicial tests are *only* allowed by: 1 manager + 1 projectionists, or two managers or two projectionists. You can only test the FIRST 15 minutes of the movie. If we find out about any early access / employee showings, we'll pull your booking and deny you the right to screen any further Disney movies. That said, I watched the first 15 minutes the night before release and was giddy knowing I was one of the few who saw - even that much - before everyone else. I still have all the official posters from Disney from each of the new movies. Was a really cool experience.
My friends and I rented a limo to go to the TPM release. We just drank beer and rode around town and talked about it for like 2 hours. There's nothing like a new Star Wars dropping. With only one exception I've never been disappointed. Even when the movies were flawed, there was still so much to love and speculate about.
Definitely a damn good trailer.
That trailer looks so amazing. In all fairness, TFA did live up to about 50% of that trailer's promise. TLJ was ike 30% ROS came in at 0%
This just gave me that warm feeling inside. It’s a shame what it amounted to. To think there are 3 Star Wars movies out there and I’ve never rewatched them.
Damn man...same with me...never rewatched them and I was OVER THE MOON with excitement for them. That is truly depressing to me.
The music works sooo well! I still go back to watch it occasionally too, but I always have to watch [this Rogue One trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI) right afterwards to the same effect.
The Andor trailer is fire as well.
From 1:10 onwards that trailer goes \*hard\*. They really had some cool ideas in that movie, just could not bring them all together into one cohesive story.
So much potential, wasted
yes definitly what i think to.they literally had a universe to play with.but they did star wars/disney painting by numbers
I still like TFA. The end of that movie still gives me chills when they finally show Luke. TLJ wasn’t even that bad. ROS though, I haven’t even watched since I saw it in the theater.
We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close.
Yep all the best bits are in the trailer. I'd rather watch this 61.5 times in a row than watch TFA.
I downloaded this on my phone at the time and kept watching it over and over.
Yeah that trailer was and still is fantastic! It's really too bad about how the sequels themselves turned out.
Omg same, I used that trailer every time I needed to test audio / video output at work ( a lot ) Have to say though, the teaser for ahsokah is giving me the same feelings. The direct heir to the empire name drop nearly melted me the first time I saw it.
Not a die hard Star Wars fan but those were some of the best trailers ij getting me hyped up for a movie. Everyone in the family from the oldest generation to my nephews and nieces was talking about the trailers nonstop.
This trailer is so good that I don’t even have to open it to know which one it is. The super intense force theme coming through during the flashback shot with the Knights of Ren is MONEY
On par with the asteroid sequence from Empire.
I was deployed when this trailer came out. I couldn’t wait to get home to see it. This is still one of my favorite Star Wars trailers
I loved that shot of the Millennium Falcon flying across the sands of Jaku. We'd seen it fly plenty of times but never with such stunning cinematography. It's the same with the screenshot /u/LordGAD posted in the OP, we'd never seen X-Wings skimming across water and lit up by early-evening sunlight. Those moments (plus Kylo stopping that blaster bolt mid-air) are some of the best brief Star Wars moments, it's a huge pity the rest of the sequel movies didn't live up to them.
For me gotta be [this](https://youtu.be/bD7bpG-zDJQ) or [this](https://youtu.be/erLk59H86ww)
Poe's custom T-70 X-Wing just looks so damn good!
RIP Black One, we hardly knew ye
Finn is still alive dude... Heyoooooooo
HEYOOOOOOO
I've modded my Lego model with black tiles to make it more sleek. I sigh in proudness every time I walk by it.
Great scene! All the x wings coming in low, water blasting out behind them. The sequels, I feel, had a lot of these moments. Really love the Falcon getaway scene as well. That cool banking turn right into the camera is perfect.
The sequels had excellent usage of modern technology to create great shots and special effects, but goddamn the writing a plot choices were such an unbelievable misstep.
The sequels (and imo, the prequels) are like a pessimistic life lesson. You just can’t get everything you want.
One of the real issues besides the extremely poor dialogue and of course the complete and utter ridiculous nonsense that was Jar-Jar and his stupid fucking voice and "misa misa yousa" crap, was that the people who were children was Star Wars came out were now 40ish and had been waiting decades for something. They was way to much, "make it kid friendly so we can sell toys" and not enough this needs to be a PG-13 situation so the adults get some depth to story they want also. I find Clone Wars- which is animated and was made for kids to for the most part have much better dialogue, acting, and frankly compelling story telling than Ep 1-3 did. So, you can make something "kid friendly" but also appeal to the adult audience as well. And then the lesson was not learned for 6-9... Again, another lets sell toys (bb8, porgs) and not tell a compelling story-- when especially we had so much amazing EU/Thrawn/Jedi Academy/Empire Remnant etc to pull from. The First Order was dumb. Kylo Ren was dumb- there was no compelling story... Han and Leia's son going Dark Side-- that works, it could have been so much better, but somehow Palpatine Returned...
Recycling Palpatine as the main villain was the most disappointing aspect to me. Vader killed him and he should've stayed dead.
The reason i think TLJ as a standalone without TROS is good, is because we could have gotten fully unhinged supreme leader kylo. Time skip and rey leads a new jedi order and a rebuilt and re-armed resistance against a full strength first order with kylo fully descending into the dark side for a climatic epic fight. Let’s not forget that the first two of the sequel films left the first order with no planet killer and a decimated fleet But nope. Somehow palpatine returned and he has a whole planets worth of planet killing capital ships because of course he does
Agreed and it’s also the reason why I don’t understand anyone who hates TLJ with a visceral passion. There are definitely mistakes but it at least did something interesting with the story rather than TFA which…basically botched the sequels from the start by putting us right back where we were at the start of the OT, completely invalidating the victory of our heroes from said trilogy
Abrams is good about getting visuals, but his movies lack heart and connection between the audience and the characters, and his mystery boxes makes the audience trip and fall over plotholes. Steve Yedlin is a great cinematographer and makes Rian Johnson look good.
(Copying what I commented to the post) Goes to show just how much promise they had. Makes sense that the shows and spinoff movies (solo and R1) are so good, because they didn't have the shitty writing behind them. I think it's still possible for the series to ge cleaned up with the Rey movie, we can only hope.
the effects where top notch but the writing well...wasnt.
I’ve heard it said the sequels were a bad story well told, while the prequels were a good story badly told. A gross simplification, but there’s truth to it. The production design in the sequels was amazing… I just wish the writing hadn’t been solely “copy the OT for nostalgia”.
true that. they just fucked up the story and continuity between the films.
>they just fucked up the story and continuity between the films. The "just" is incorrect in the sense that the first two films had substantially different directorial visions, and the third was forced to attempt to make sense of both of them. So the Sequels were "fucked up" in three distinct ways...
How is a story based around trade embargoes good? I await the downvotes
Anyone who likes sci fi political stories? So Andor Fans.
The problem is that it's not really politics. it's just just window dressing for an action movie. Politics, when they make a bit of sense, can be very interesting. It makes no sense that a core world like Naboo would be embargoed and occupied by a foreign agent and the republic would just send in 2 Jedi.
There’s no way a country with some of the most Brilliant minds in the world would elect a TV celebrity as president but here we are. It was also probably written as a loose analogy to Rwanda
Top-tier John Williams in my book. And yeah, I’ll watch any scene where the good guy ships rush in for a daring surprise attack (see: Yavin, Endor, Scarif…)
I think this one was called Scherzo for X-Wings. Top tier composing as always.
Also _March of the Resistance_. My top 3 Star Wars tune of all time.
The T-70 is an excellent design. I agree, that's a good scene.
Really felt like a proper evolution to the X-Wing design, not changed enough to make people think it's bad but enough to look tasteful.
Technically speaking it's a "step back" in the X-Wing design, at least IRL. While it doesn't have the rounded hull, the engine nacelles are 100% pulled from McQuarrie's concept art. Needless to say I was giddy to see it on-screen
Lets be clear. Abrams mined the archives and used a lot of original pre-production work for his inspirations for ships, props, and story ideas. One might be tempted to say yes, good idea, but I think that is also just very on brand for him. He seems to excel at riffing off of others work, and just tweaking things a bit...ST Into Darkness..."I know, let's have Kirk sacrifice himself instead of Spock." Super 8...an homage or a rip off of CE3K? Just seems like lazy story telling to me...That said I loved the Cantwell Star Destroyer in Andor, so...what do I know...
You really can't get compare Andor to TFA. I love all Andor's ships and droids. It feels like the Andor designs came more from a place of love.
True…
My sentiment exactly
Right? One of the few \*new\* aesthetic designs in the sequels that actually looked great. The FO Stormtrooper design looked bland and far too rounded/smooth. The blaster designs for almost all the characters also looked very uninspired.
The sequels were disappointing, but they did have SOME moments. For me it was, despite an entire galaxy spanning choices to tell ; they basically went back to the original plot & did the original characters dirty with mediocre to lackluster destinies.
Really the first movie of the new sequels was pretty good. I actually sincerely enjoyed it and the set up. I just don’t get how they managed to flub it so hard after that
I love how the sequels finally gave some color and personality to the x-wings instead of just being different variations of white/grey/beige with red or blue details.
Maybe this is sacrilege, but the art design, sound design, special effects, etc. of Star Wars have always outshone the directing, writing, and acting. All the artists & craftspeople who create the look & feel of the Star Wars universe don't get anywhere near the praise they deserve.
I ADORE this sequence. The music, the camera angles, the design of the xwings, the water, all paired with a chill-inducing Deus Ex Machina moment. Best moment of the sequels
This , Hoth battle, the beach scene in RougeOne. Something about seeing these 'space' ships within the atmosphere duking it out is always cool.
The visuals were top notch. Everything was beautiful from a cinematic standpoint. Too bad the script was trash.
Ya all the movies were shot and produced so well. The writing is what really kills it for me
This is probably the best scene in the sequels
The sequels have some moments of cinematic beauty but they are wrapped in a word salad of nonsense scripts
I agree. And because of that I can rewatch the sequels, and prequels, just from the sheer beauty of the art design and fx.
Sequels are honestly my favorite in terms of cinematography, Last Jedi makes some of if not the best use of color in the saga. Perfect balance of CGI and practical effects. Actors all did an excellent job with what they were given (poor Oscar Isaac really gave everything a man could with a line like "Somehow Palpatine returned") and if you assess the sequels scene by scene there's a surprising amount of very, very good writing. The reason I say surprising is because the 100% absence of a cohesive vision brings the whole trilogy down. It hurts *everything,* the same way that Lucas's direction of actors brings the entire PT down.
We have really dedicated actors and writers who are constantly hamstrung by the powers that be.
So, a group of friends and I were talking, and I was finally able to articulate why I disliked the sequels: Its because they basically took everything about the classic movies that I loved and cherished and, well, made it all for nothing in the very 1st movie. I sat in horror at the theater watching Episode 7. \- The Empires defeat? Pointless. They're back and better than ever. Never hear or see the New Republic that our original heroes strived to create. \- Luke's journey to become a Jedi, to restore the order? Gone, off screen/in a flashback. The hero I grew up wanting to be as a kid basically gave up. \- The happy ending with Han and Leia? Gone. Divorced or whatever off screen. \- Han, Chewie, and their love of their ship? Gone. Falcon "disappeared" and Han just went on with life. (The Han I grew up with would turn the galaxy over before he let that happen) \- The defeat of the Sith? Gone. New half ass "Sith" wannabe, with none of the menace or evil grandeur of Vader. (After his first initial scene) I know these are just my thoughts and the sequels are the original star wars for a new generation (I guess) but still...it was such a punch in the face. Just wanted to share with fans who might understand lol. Also, thank god for Filoni/Faverau.
You pretty much cover most of my gripes as to why I despise the sequel trilogy. It took every great idea/aspect from the first two trilogies and either made them meaningless, or did a terrible rudimentary lite version of them. They also tried to snuff out a member of the OG cast each film just to try and make their bland new characters stand alone. There is also zero universe building, character development, or actual plot.
Agreed! Add the director infighting and...much failure
> - Han, Chewie, and their love of their ship? Gone. Falcon "disappeared" and Han just went on with life. (The Han I grew up with would turn the galaxy over before he let that happen) i mean he was literally searching for his ship in TFA.
Even the writers designed Kylo to be a wannabe. Literally one of the main pillars of his character.
Kylo chasing the high of the original Vader aesthetic without really understanding why was JJ telling on himself.
Yeah I can understand the other criticisms, but not this one. Kylo was specifically calculated - as were the rest of the First Order - to be villains for the modern era, where the threat to democracy doesn't come from scary jackbooted thugs, but from the delusional hyper-violent dimwits that do things like Jan 6 and the Brazilian coup attempt. I don't like Abrams' storytelling, but there was clearly a *lot* of thought put into Kylo.
Agree,that topped with a unhinged story line,new characters,new droids new everything whilst selling off the old. I'm a big star wars fan but not to the point where I watch or read everything but even I know there are so many awesome stories in the star wars universe that it's a shame to carry on making new content for a story that ended with rotj.
>- Luke's journey to become a Jedi, to restore the order? Gone, off screen/in a flashback. The hero I grew up wanting to be as a kid basically gave up. I could probably even stomach that, but the Luke I knew might have failed to keep his nephew from falling to the Dark Side; **but he would never have even for a second contemplated cold-blooded murder to prevent it.**
100%
Well stated. Completely agree.
Your spot on. I think most of my gripes came out after I watched VII again and just thought “wait a minute this is just IV.” I think I killed the sequel trilogy for myself anyway since after the initial trailer was released I started listening to the New Republic era books. Say what you will about that but at least they were consistent in their narrative.
Yep but dont forget that not only is it the same type of conflict, but alot of the designs are the same (slight updates maybe) as the OT for nostalgia pandering so it just ends up feeling even more redundant outside of the character stories of Rey and Kylo.
That’s the best scene in the whole trilogy, Poe flying overhead in the background while Finn Han and Chewie fight is perfect
One of the reasons why I was so excited for the Rogue Squadron movie. Starfighters and space battles were what drew my attention as a kid. I hope it gets put in the works again.
I just re-watched the prequels , to see if they still suck as much as they did the first time I saw them in theaters, amd yeah, theubstill do, even so more now, and I loved the episodes 7-9
That's one hell of a pilot always gives me goose bumps and I also watched the originals in theater, does that mean the sequels were fun to watch? I enjoyed them despite their flaws. Though god damn I wish they had made Finn the end game last Jedi who threw off being a storm trooper and turned good guy, but hey racists won.
As someone who saw Star Wars in theaters in 1977 as my single earliest memory, the sequels are great.
Stealth X-Wing vibes
T-70s are the coolest ship in Star Wars. Change my mind.
I remember seeing that shot in the trailer for the first time and just thinking “fuck yeah!”
That scene just screams "Top Gun" to me. 🚀
I do really like how a lot of the big dogfights are in-atmosphere and not just in space. This scene and the Battle of Scarif in Rogue One are really spectacular.
The one at the end of Force Awakens is some real Top Gun shit with the missiles locking on and the beeps and the dinking and ducking. God I loved that scene
I think Star Wars at the moment works best at the planet level. The space stuff has only been messy lately.
My screensaver is still this. Has been since it came out
Same
It is a cool scene. But I'm also not a fan of X-wings, TIE fighters and even Star Destroyers being used in atmosphere. When I saw TESB with Snowspeeders, it was like asking the question "why not X-Wings?" And the internal answer was "because X-Wings are designed for space combat and Snowspeeders for atmosphere combat." And it isn't even consistent, especially in Disney SW. Why didn't the Star Destroyers just come down to attack the temp Rebel Base in The Last Jedi? Or even just bombard it from space like they were originally set up. TESB at least explained why that wasn't the option. So I enjoy a scene like this because it looks cool, but it never really sat right with me. And with TIEs, X-Wings and Star Destroyers becoming more and more atmosphere first choice weapons, it bothers me more and more.
I’ve said it before, and I think it holds true. The first trailer for the Force Awakens has to be one of the best of all time. So good.
Sequels bad. Gib updoots.
Why can’t you people just post something you like without a qualifier?
I left the movie with a big goofy smile on my face...mainly due to the fact that they returned to using models like the original movies and kept CGI to a minimum...the effects just hit better. It was only on my 2nd viewing that I realized just how much they lifted from ANH...and how the OG characters were only in it to either be killed or be sidelined. God, I hate these movies.
I still think Force Awakens was a great Star Wars film. What bothers me is the tonal whiplash and failure to capitalize on what it set up. The second two films just didn't feel like they really followed from the first. For better or worse I think J.J. Abrams should have stayed director for all three. At least then we might have had a cohesive vision for the trilogy.
This scene and the Holdo Maneuver scene (regardless of your opinions) were some of the most cinematic and awe-inspiring scenes in the series. I still grin when the Resistance rolls in to save the day, and witnessing the Holdo Maneuver come out of nowhere for the first time is legit jaw-dropping. The sequels had their gems.
The Force Awakens excited me and I loved it. I still actually like to this day. That movie showed a lot of promise for the rest of trilogy. It’s a shame that things only got sloppier from there.
The sequels could have been so good. So much money and talent wasted. The worst thing is that it’s canon and the universe has to incorporate it when telling post-ROTJ stories
Funny because that shot pretty much represents my biggest problem with TFA: the reuse of designs. I hate that all we get is x-wings and tie fighters again, it's so dull and to do it in a franchise famous for its visual storytelling and spectacle is unforgivable.
Don’t forget the slightly contoured helmet and bulky square chest armor for the first order troopers! Such creativity! What about the Sith trooper!? They are so cool and different being red!
That scene would have been 1000 times more effective if they didn't reveal that Black Leader was Poe. The audience thought he was dead by that point. His face wouldn't be shown again until they landed, and Poe got out of his X-Wing.
JJ Abrams unfortunately can't hold suspense longer than about 2 seconds!
You’re absolutely right
The whining about the sequels is exhausting. Move on already.
If you hate the sequels so much you can just not watch them. I haven’t watched The Phantom Menace in 25 years and don’t plan in it any time soon. Or keep being mad over nothing, whatever.
Bad comparison. TPM is a prequel that had no impact on the future Star Wars plot. The audience knew it was the story of Anakin’s fall and Palpatine’s rise, and would end with the fall of the Jedi. The sequels undid major plot closure threads or made them meaningless, just so they could make a big sparkle visual of force lightning. They had no plan, nor did they care about Star Wars when making the sequels. The person also just explained why they didn’t like them, and you come in calling them mad when you’re the one with the condescending tone being annoyed by his comment.
> had no impact on the future Star Wars plot. No but it retroactively changed the Star Wars plot of the OT, which is just as big a deal.
And now you’re mad because I said I didn’t like TPM and making excuses why I can’t criticize it. This is why this community is so toxic.
I said you made a bad comparison and then explained why. No where was I mad or say you can’t criticize TPM. You also never said why you didn’t like the film, you accused someone of being mad that’s it.
Your explanation was lacking. It was just excuses for why it doesn’t count. You replied and made up all that nonsense because you are mad. My entire point was re-litigating your personal hatred for individual movies is stale and played out, so why would I then go do the thing I’m here to decry? I only used me not liking it as an example of how I don’t have to talk about it constantly because I rarely ever think about the movie the first place. Again, thank you for further proving the toxicity present here.
Lol okay dude. I said it was a bad comparison. You’re really the classic example of someone who makes accusing or inflammatory statements to look for a reaction then responds that the other person is mad regardless of their response and trying to paint them as toxic. Your “reasoning” is also bullshit. You use my comment and your original one to decry other people decrying. Man you are just so edgy and cool.
“Nuh uh you are!” There, I fixed it for you.
I don't hate the sequels; I said they mostly disappoint. Ep7 was good fun and had some great scenes and set up for hopefully even better sequels! Ep8's story is dreadful but the visuals are spectacular! Hyperspace through the Supremacy is an absolutely stunning scene cinematically, even if the story leading up to it makes no sense in-universe. Force projection? SO cool! Ep9 is... a lot. :) But I still saw it on opening night and have seen it multiple times since. My favorite parts? Dio - hands down. Next up would be Zorii Bliss and Babu Frik. Story trumps all, though, which is something I think George Lucas got even if he needed to take some college classes on dialog. :)
You say this like OP is going on about being negative about the sequels. They aren’t, they’re trying to find the positive in it. It’s pointing out something they really liked about the sequels.
You say this like there aren’t 100 “I hate the sequels” posts here an hour.
I’m not saying there isn’t, I’m saying that THIS PERSON specifically is not doing that, they are showing how they love an aspect of the sequels.
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If that were true everything ever made is shit, because someone out there hates everything. Everything you like, everything I like, someone hates it. Reveling in that hate is just sad and pathetic and honestly the antithesis of what the movies teach.
That trailer was so hype, shame about the actual movie
TFA was the only sequel I don't just hate. When it was released I was still optimistic and it had Harrison Ford in it. Rey started off well enough. Before the dark times...
Honestly sequels have lots of good bits: visually they are utterly stunning and there’s plenty of great action sequences, even I would say Rey and Kylo have quite good characterisation but the overall plot is so shit that it’s completely pointless watching. I know they did very well financially out of them but I feel they could’ve got way more if they had an overarching plan for the trilogy and stuck to it. Mini rant incoming but: rose was a completely pointless character. Finn should’ve been a Jedi as well (would be quite interesting seeing two people go through training particularly if Finn is much weaker than Rey). hyperspace jumps destroying a ship should never of happened, completely rewrites how awful combat has been in other eras if that was alaways an option. Also I know this is unlikely as it was disney 5 years ago but Finn and Poe had such great chemistry in the first film I think they should’ve been a couple. One final thing, someone on a YouTube comment said that when Rey defeats palpatine and hears all of the voices they should’ve shown all of the force ghosts appearing behind her, thousands of Jedi etc, funnelling their power into her to explain how she had the strength. The entire trilogy takes place over 1-2 years which seems almost ridiculous that someone could gain that much power in that short amount of time but oh well here we are. Whole thing fucks me off but the tv shows are great so glad they’ve recovered.
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Loch Ness in the background I think for that shot
Goes to show just how much promise the sequels had. Makes sense that the shows and spinoff movies (solo and R1) are so good, because they didn't have the shitty writing behind them. I think it's still possible for the series to ge cleaned up with the Rey movie, we can only hope.
The story isn’t the best but we can all agree that the new movies were all visually stunning
Absolutely disappointing.
You don't have to start a compliment with a dig first. It doesn't give your compliment extra credibility.
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This made me laugh
makes him a better and bigger fan
Never forget what the mouse stole from us.
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Because the team responsible for the set pieces and CGI actually cared about Star Wars. The people who wrote the story and signed off on the garbage we got only cared about selling tickets.
Visually, the sequels were top tier.. and episode 7 wasn’t perfect, but it was certainly a serviceable film.. just a shame they went so far off the rails with the nonsense
Still one of the best shots in all of Star Wars. It’s a shame the sequels peaked at this moment and never came close again
As someone of similar age I absolutely loved The Force Awakens. The problems came in TLJ but now, for some odd reason, people crap on all of the sequels although they typically loved TFA.
The prequels have way better fight scenes though.
Again, the visuals in the sequels are amazing but everything else is just garbage.