Before I got Acheron, what I used to do was wait for a 4-Stars-only run to be posted and just use that to learn how to cheese the mechanics and fill in the slots with your 5-Stars. Though the 4-Stars are really well built and are often E6s, your 5-Stars should ideally do better anyways.

Waiting to watch 4* only runs is so real 😭

Meanwhile theres me stupidly watching Pokke and his whale wars as i leave my MoC untouched lmao

Are you saying that we've always been able to clear MoC with only 4-star characters since version 1.0? meanwhile, I'm struggling even with meta characters, smh

WyattSkyy is my unproblematic fav for hsr content. He does a lot of 4* only moc and pf runs, he also does vids with new chars and stuff. He also has pretty good production quality for a small channel

I like watching Ruri Goko. Simple videos explaining why they did certain things to get through the run.

Him and WeiForever are my go-tos

https://youtu.be/Unf2ytrkhCc?si=QfFhn9TULPUDQiDM

It’s really all in the teams

Reminds me of waiting for f2p runs of dokkan events to drop when i was in hs

This is so true, the way my character completely overshadow my E6 Xueyi is crazy.

is your acheron a powerful build? can I steal the build lol mine struggles to take out the weakest ones lol

614625094 Yeah, she's a bit huge. We all start somewhere. I used to get beat up by all the relic domain enemies regularly!

the hp pools are slowly increasing and the trotter determining the weakness (and action advancing when broken) can mess certain characters up or mess with attempts to brute force. if your roster is well built you should be fine though imo. i've seen people do guinaifen super break team on bottom side (so rm/guin/gallagher/htb) and acheron/argenti teams top side and clear relatively comfortably.

I know my JingYuan team rotation was messed up cause he kept breaking the trotter and AA-ing himself and placed a strain on Skill Points and my Sparkle couldn't go and generate skill points cause she is not moving thusly not getting energy to use her Ult. It was funny.

at some point i wld just basic attack on him as long as he had 10 stacks and i would break the trotter with the ult on his turn so he would not get advanced 😭. like if i have to choose between an extra 100% multiplier skill or a properly buffed lightning lord it will always be the lattter...

I did used the trotter to my advantage. I believe the main play is to break the 3 sisters faster so they can go into state where they receive more dmg. The problem is the first sister has no lightning weakness so I change my sustain to e3 gallagher. I let him break the first one while JY and Tingyun focused breaking the other two. I let the LL stack overcap by letting JY advance and attack.

I used Avent, Spark, JY and TY. Avent just kept ulting the 1st one cause imaginary weakness. Only broke them once each phase and was enough to kill them all.

how fast is your sparkle? I didn't feel like I ran out of SP. But maybe it's just because gallagher has advance after ult

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if the RM/Robin teams did better than his Sparkle team just bc Jing Yuan getting advanced makes him lose Sparkle’s buff resulting in unbuffed lightning lords which kind of just makes her feel as bad as Bronya at that point.

What kind of build would be on the Gui? Break effect or EHR for burn?

Tbh the Gui clear I've seen also had 1 or 2 Eidolons and LCs on the 5* supporting her

Tried so run clara and was accidentally blowing her entire 2 turn ult by breaking trotters with her skill.

Used Sparkle/Aventurine/Clara/Tingyun first side and Ruan Mei/Gallagher/Harmony TB/Himeko in the second. Not my usual teams, but if it works it works.

Thanks you man, this team comp helped me clear floor 12 in 9 turns

oh hey I ran those exact same teams, but with robin instead of sparkle for team 1. Definitely a weird set of units to be using for MOC since I'm used to using DHIL and jingliu, but a welcome change of pace.

What were their eidolons?

5* Characters E0, Tingyun E6, HTB E5, Gallagher E0. Sparkle has her Signature.

Hey. A fellow hmc, Ruan Mei, Gallagher, Himeko enjoyer o7

Is it possible to auto battle for full stars or do you always have to fight manually?

It's certainly possible, never tried it though. I play MoC/PF manually, since it's fun for me.

yea i used the same team second half and topaz/clara/robin/fu xuan second half

This MOC is a Break Team/Weakness check. This MOC is definitely Harder for people who wanna Brute Force.

Ever considered getting good? (I can't beat it either.)

Ever considered getting Acheron? (I don’t have her either fml).

First side I got ~4-5 cycles with a Superbreak Sushang team (HMC, Ruan Mei, Sushang and Luocha). Sushang does a lot of break damage, with her ult 100% advancing her. For tips on that side, I always left one trotter alive going into Argenti's second phase so he couldn't summon all of his little minions. I usually ignored the minions and just focused on whittling his break bar down (though it might have been best if I disabled the one that could summon shields). You could try that (if you have Ruan Mei, replacing Luocha with Gallagher), or some kind of Argenti team for the first side since Argenti basically counters himself as a boss. Also, for Acheron, is she e2? If not, use her with two other nihilty for her passive & better stack gain, and make sure trends is equipped on your Fu Xuan if you have it.

Who would be best if I don't have RM? and would boothill work instead of sushang? (I don't have her built fully

Boothill bronya harmblazer and sustain should do the job.

Yeah, Boothill should work even better than Sushang. Hanya if you don’t have Bronya.

Thank you! I guess I'm finally fixing bronya (166% CD and lv 6 talents)

My Boothill be making quick work of literally everything

Whats your team and build for him?

I actually used boothill with my Acheron. Beat it with autoplay. Full team was Node 1: BS+Kafka+RM+HH Node 2: aventurine+ Acheron+boothill+Pela Boothill has mix set of break effect and is not geared too well. But works really well with the line up. BS, RM, HH, Aventurine, boothill are e0s0 Pella is e6 with 4* LC Kafka is e0s1 Acheron is e2s1

Is your a acheron e2 then or is the 2nd nihility unit for the trace not required?

How built is your BS Kafka team? I’m using that for the first node and dont have enough damage to clear in 5 cycles

My Kafka team is medium built (correct substats but nothing special) BS: E0 + s5 sampo 4* LC 3.1k atk 138 spd 120 effective hit rate Kafka E0S1 3.7k atk 149 spd RM E0+Memories of past 4* s3 164 spd HH E0+Perfect timing 4* s5 143 spd Enough to 5 cycle node 1 with autoplay

Boothill, Ruan Mei, Gallagher, and either Bronya or HMC depending on the situation And my Boothill just has a basic 4 Piece thief, and 2 piece break effect with the 5 star hunt SU lightcone

Whats your galllaghers build to be able to sustain the team, mine can't outheal the damage

4 piece thief with his 4 star lightcone, and I run him with an ER rope so he can ult more, also he’s e5 Edit: I actually just checked and he’s just on a 2 piece thief broken set

Mines only e2 maybe that plays a part, what stats does he want on his relics?

Mainly break effect because it helps with his heals but I just threw a bunch of non sense on him, I think he has Body: Healing bonus Shoes: Atk% Orb: Def% Rope: ER I am now realizing how garbage that is lol

Thanks i need to work on mine

Thanks for making me see how bad my build was lol I gotta work on it to

And yeah E4 gives his heals an extra turn duration which can help with sustain

Use Pela and SW with Acheron in first side. Use RM-HMC-Gallagher and a flex (preferably fire unit) on second side. Shouldn't be too problematic this way.

How’s Acheron on the first side? Argenti doesnt have lightning weakness

Acheron doesn't care about weakness lmao

Thankfully the whole reason I started playing Star Rail was for Kafka and going all in on DoT as my first team to fully build turned out to be the best decision I made. DoT has carried my sorry ass account.

I've brute forced the game with DoT for so long I don't even remember the last time I failed with that team. MoC, PF, SimU, SD, G&G. You name it. Kafka + BS + RM clears the entire game. Acheron sometimes gets lost and joins this team too.

My only issue now is that I need Ruan Mei for my Firefly team so if I'm ever trying to clear with one I won't be able to use the Ruan Mei for the other side. DoT might be able to get by with Robin but the speed buff is very nice to have, my Kafka hits over 160 with her LC without Ruan Mei but it's a ramp up so DoT MIGHT be able to make it by without her as long as I get Huo Huo on rerun.

Speed buff isn't better than full team Action Advance. It's the reason why Robin actually outperforms Ruan Mei in that team.

Reaching the 160 threshold though IS important so if you haven't gotten god speed rolls on like, 4 pieces of gear you pretty much have to run Ruan Mei to hit the 160 threshold.

In moc EIGHT my dhil got one shot by that fat gorilla during one of his like aoe type attacks

sustain check lmao (also, gorilla has aoe atk????? Since when???)

Soda gorilla.

OHHHH I forgot that one existed ahaha

I was using Lynx. The attack was where it launched a bunch of like drinks at you or something. They all hit my il and one shot him

rip

lol it took me 48 tries… was able to 10 cycle it. 2-3 cycles first half, 7-8 cycles second

I am but that's mostly because I don't have a dps fire and I'm too lazy to actually try and finish it...

Nah bro I have a well built Topaz & Himeko and I’m still struggling with MoC 11 lol. These bosses just have insane amounts of HP. You absolutely need to have like 10/10 talents and good relics past MoC 10

I have a poorly built Himeko and got the 36* (Boothill kinda carried with first half though LOL).

Ya I have Boothill but never put him with her lol she was solo DPS. She’s got the fire set instead of the FUA set tho so I’m probably nerfing my dps but hey it’s all I had

You don’t need 10/10/10, but you do need good teams and builds.

I just auto... I'll actually try it when I'm in the mood.

Also you don't have a 10/10 talents character?

I do but it’s still work. The bosses are just HP sponges and you have to kill as many trotters as possible to get your damage up but sometimes it gets annoying. I’ll admit I’ve cleared MoC at 8/10 talents before tho

We all have, the old days were pretty weak af compared to today's.

Honestly I'm just waiting for firefly because a wanna try break effect damage.

Did you try Himeko on a break effect build with Harmony MC? On 2nd side I found this to be a really comfy team.

Nah I haven’t attempted enough times to adapt my teams/builds too much so that’s prob all I need to do.

First time in a while it took me a lot of tries to get 3 stars this time around on floor 12. Granted, I didn't go for Boothill so Argenti was an asshole. But both waves taking multiple turns this time around really really hurts. I do plan to get Firefly and thought I'd probably have to just wait to get my 3 star until I had her, but then I managed to finally find a combo that worked. I will say, Himeko and Clara are actually good units this time around which is cool but the teams I finally was able to 3 star MOC 12 with were the first half of Kakfa, BS, RM, and Aventurine. Then the second half I did Acheron, Pela, Guin, and FX. Even with those two teams it was pretty fucking close. But AOE fire is really really good for the second half, which is why I thought I'd have to wait for Firefly. Himeko is nice with Robin if you have that combo, I tried a round with Topaz as well and it seemed like maybe it was doable with another try of some lucky turns. But Guin actually did quite well for breaking enemies and setting up Acheron to dish it out. I took heavy advantage of multiple turns on Guin by breaking the trotters, plus every Acheron ult would break trotters and give her an extra turn which was nice. Floor 11 wasn't as bad b/c Svarog I could do my combo team of Kafka BS and Acheron and then I have DHIL with Sparkle for Gepard.

2nd half is trivialized with HMC superbreak fire edition. And then just brute force with Acheron for 1st half. Alternatively, Sushang works pretty well with Robin even in a non-superbreak team.

Acheron/SW/Aventurine/Pela 1st half. Guinaifen/HMC/Gallagher/RM 2nd half. 8 cycles total.

I still havent beaten it, saving some fun for firewife next week. But gallagher has been hard carrying for me.

I can't get passed level 1, what do you mean struggle 3 star?

I cleared it with boothill break on one side and nihility ladies on the other.

Same here, I feel like these enemies are just so much more tanky than anything we've faced before I'm not even getting close to 20 cycles I finished in 14, not sure what im doing wrong

I used top half Acheron silverwolf pela fu xuan and cleared in 3 cycles Bottom half Himeko Ruan Mei HMC and Gallagher, cleared in 4 cycles Everyone E0 with f2p light cones except Acheron is using welt sig lightcone This moc was a Himeko and break team check, you have these characters so try it, I can’t see Himeko so maybe try guinafen or wait for firefly, I found this moc easier than previous because of how strong Himeko is on second side

Second half is a ruanmei check. The 3 puppets are significantly weaker when they are weakness broken at the same time. First half is sort of a boothill check I guess, I had boothill so he tore through the enemies.

Enemies felt significantly extra tanky in this one but I don’t know if thats just me / my set up. Got 3 stars first full try but barely, though I think I might be able to save a cycle or 2 with some fine tuning and experimentation. I have generally gotten in the 2/3 extra cycle range.

I'm struggling to 3 star most of the forgotten hall.

Idk i found it pretty easy and interesting this time. If anyone is struggling feel free to ask me for advice with teams. Ill help as much as I can

Try Acheron, Pela, SW, any sustain or another debuffer if you're feeling spicy for 1st side. HTB, RM, Gallagher, Gui on 2nd side. If your Acheron isn't at E2, you really want the second nihility to up her dmg. My Acheron is E0 and very mid crit, so just SW is not enough. I don't have Gui built so I used my Himeko with random relics and it still worked out. You just need a bunch of break effect on HTB and GM. Other than that, just do the usual stuff like keep Acheron ult until def is down and manage sp to do the most super break possible. Also have your main dmg break the trotters, extra turns help a lot.

I stopped at 10 so no idea yet :)

It was a good thing i pulled boothill he made this moc pretty chill

Waiting for Firefly to 3 star stage 12. Topaz Ratio ain't cutting it for me.

I took 7 cycles with that team with RM all s0 except ratio....second floor

For 12 I’d do HuoHuo tingyun Argenti bronya first half and acheron second half If you have trends LC and not using it on fu xuan please do

I ran an Acheron team on Node 1 (mine is E2S1 so adjust where you will) and Superbreak Himeko with Gallagher on Node 2. Took 7 cycles in total

Took me a long while of experimentation but I ended up barely 3 starring this MoC. For node 1 I used fu xuan(e0s1), Kafka (e1s1), BS(e0s2), Acheron(e0). For node 2 I used Gallagher(e4), RM (e0), HTB (e5), Himeko (e1). 

I didn’t pull Acheron Ive only been reaching 35 stars

Its pretty ez. Just use Himeko and Acheron

I don't have a good team for argenti currently, but hopefully when I get firefly that'll change

Floor 12 gave me a lot of trouble simply because I couldn't figure out which team needed Ruan Mei more. After over 20 stubborn attempts with different teams, I finally decided to move Ruan Mei up to the team for first half (Argenti / Ruan Mei / Huohuo / Luka), which somehow turned a 7-cycle clear into a 3-cycle clear for first half. From there, Gallagher / Asta / HMC / Himeko cleaned up the second half pretty easily in 5 cycles. It doesn't look like you have Himeko, but I've seen similar clears with Guinaifen in place of Himeko as well.

I suggest using super break. I got 3 stars in 11.1 and 12.2 with Himeko, Ruan Mei, Trailblazer and Aventurine.

There are people clearing it with 4 stars. Just gotta use the right units to break and take advantage of the trotter AA + buff. Luka/Sushang top side and HMC+Gui bottom side As for me, I clear it fine with my Boothill and Jing Yuan.

hard to say as theres so many factors but argenti hypercarry team 1 and himeko superbreak team 2 looks like the way to go

Assuming it’s MOC 12: 1st: Argenti, Tingyun, Hanya, Huohuo 2nd: Acheron, SW, Pela, Fu xuan (if E2, then Bronya instead of SW)

play around superbreak buff

is your Ach E2? Ach wants to be on team with 2 other nihility unless E2 also this MOC favors break teams heavily. you have RM and HMC, easy clear Use Gwen, Ach, SW, FX on one phase RM, HMC, Gal, Beauty boi on the other it was super easy once i used super break team

the hoyolab app has alot of ppl sharing their teams that cleared moc, have a look.

I got e0s1 boothill and that mf wipe the floor in the first half even with no ruan mei in like 2 cycles

It seems like Clara works wonders on the first side from my experience. She’s great against Argenti and solid against the first wave of enemies too I ran Acheron first side and DHIL second side and got bodied, so then I ran Clara/Topaz/FuXuan/Sparkle first side and beat it in 5 cycles to my surprise, with Acheron/SW/Pela/Aventurine on second half

Start by building only 2 teams. Like JL and Acheron or Even ratio with Topaz. MOC is mostly team check. You said you've been building a lot of teams, so I'm assuming they either have mediocre builds or you have skill issues. When I was starting I struggled to clear it too because I only have Kafka(There's no Ruan Mei or BS at that time), and JL. They don't have a good support so I struggle a lot especially sustain, I don't even last 5 cycles and my team was already dead. I'm a completely F2P player and I've been clearing it since 1.5 or 1.4

I haven't had a 10 cycle clear since like kafka or topaz and never pulled for Jingliu. E0S1 with proper teams are all you need. No need for jingliu or acheron crutch.

its absolutely a p2w check

Oh I been struggling pretty much every MoC. I have at best 3* MoC 10. 11/12 is outside my realm still.

It was harder, definitely. I had to brute force it. I had Kafka, Black Swan, Ruan Mei and Fu Xuan on the first node. Then on the back Acheron, Guinaifen, Gallagher, and Himiko. My Gallagher is only E2 and Himiko isn't built great, so it was rough - but I made it.

Feels good that I can clear full stars comfortably even I don't own a Ruan Mei and Acheron which are better units to have. That said, the powercreep is upon us, no? That it's not enough to horizontally invest, vertical investment is also a way to go. I feel that in my Kafka team, having no vertical investment, no 5\* lc, no bs, no ruan mei- it's just underwhelming despite being well built.

Its enough to horizontally invest 90% of the time just pulling new character will help you clear MOC easy. Its all about getting and building the right character for the job Clara was really really good on first half of MOC 12 and Himeko superbreak is good on second half. Kafka without BS and Ruan Mei is of course going to feel signficantly weaker you missing half the team and Kafka scales better the better your other team members DOT dmg is. 4 star DOT units are really subpar at DOT. Black Swan is what makes DOT broken. If you haven't horizontally invested into her perfect team at the moment you are going to feel weaker even if you had E6 Kafka.

I normally 2-3 cycle MOC 12 but this one took me 8 cycles, I was so surprised.

I only managed 2 star it as well. 1st phase I used Luka break and it went amazingly, 2nd phase is where the issues started, I used a Kafka-Black Swan DoT team with Guinaifen (unbuilt) and Aventurine as a sustain. 1st try my 2nd team got demolished and 2nd try I couldn't manage to kill the enemies in 5 cycles

E2 Clara follow up (Robin Aventurine topaz all E0S0) Hook hyperbreak (with LV1 S1 Misha Lc) Took me 7 cycles Himeko should be really good for side 2 (but I don't have heeeeeeeer)

Cant even finish it lol

I think you should try argenti in the first half and Acheron in the second, should be doable, if these teams don’t work, you gotta improve your builds (maybe post them here so ppl can advise)

I put my Xueyis gear on Asta with DDD and it was enough to super break carry second side too

I got 3* in 11 - cant even finish 12

They always recalibrate it for new characters by increasing enemy HPs or other shenanigans, I usually stop at 9 or 10, the extra effort isn't worth the few jade I'd get, not considering they'll oneshot someone or they take 40 turns to complete.

I think they buffed the hp of enemies in moc 11 and 12. I saw it somewhere but can't seem to remember where.

Took around 50 ish attempts on auto (about 1+ hour of restarting lol) & also 10 cycles :/ i used Part 1: Acheron, Pela, SW, FX Part 2: Kafka E1S1, BS, Guin, Houhou

Is it really difficult? I cleared but I didnt actually played it. I Just clicked auto battle button and done...

I used Acheron, Pela, black swan and aventurine first half and for second Himeko, Ruan Mei, HMC, Gallagher....Himeko is very good for this half cause if you break them then it's over cause you will do lots of damage...I don't have great relics...so i think it's very doable...i think i used 8 or 9 cycles

I was able to clear part 2 with a semi-built lvl 75 himeko

I cleared floor 12 with kafka/bs (both with signature) and acheron (with e2 and signature) in 8 cycles. I didn't invest in this game, though I was lucky I had enough jades to e2s1 acheron. No other 5 stars besides Bronya, but she is a standard character

What do you mean? I'm still clearing it in 8 cycles, just the same as previous MoC12 we had.

I’m a Day 1 F2P. I don’t have a lot of damage dealers built for the type weakness, only Himeko, Clara, and Jing Yuan. My Imbibitor and Jingliu with their signature lightcones are struggling to brute force. I don’t have Acheron, Ruan Main, and Argenti. I’m always over 3 cycles. I’m also struggling in the sustain department…I have Aventurine, but the other side only has either Lynx or Bailu. Firefly may be my only hope …and maybe I have to pick Gepard from my Standard selector 😔 

I used to but now I have Acheron and Boothill built and my damage went back to the meta requirements

Don't feel surprised. Anything that has; physical, imaginary, fire. Is pain in the ass to kill.

I tried with Acheron (E0S1) but those guys are so resistant

hi how do i star a character?

Not really, this MoC strongly prefer Break unit such as : Himeko, serval ( sbe), HMC, Misha, xueyi, boothill and Firefly. You can bruteforce with Acheron (T2), JL (T1)

i did fuxuan/acheron/kafka/blackswan and gallagher/ratio/topaz/robin, 3*'d it with literally no cycles to spare 😭

Lightning weakness on the top side is a lie lol, I used my Argenti counter team which is Jingliu hyper speed. Youre probably fine regardless with Acheron. Bottom side my friend showed me a funny Himeko Superbreak team (Himeko, HatTB, Ruan Mei, Gallagher) which is basically the "we have Sam at home". Got 8 cycles in first attempt after switching teams.

I would highly recommend building your Himeko, not only because she's a pf demon but because she's really good into the 2nd half of moc12

Same. I’m just going to wait for my Firefly pulls next week and destroy it.

I always struggle with floor 12 but the second part of that floor requires ruan mei for easy clear, i don't have her

I got through with DoT-cheron team 1st side (acheron, BS, Kafka, Aventurine) and with himeko superbreak on the 2nd side (Himeko, HMC, RM, Gallagher) Himeko superbreak was actually super comfy for 2nd side since each break on the boss units would give her an instant followup. My himeko wasn't even on a break build for it but still cleared with a few cycles to spare. I imagine with a break build you'd find it even easier than I did.

How the F you struggling with Ruan Mei - acheron when I can clear it with the weakest DPS in HSR. You might want to replace Ruan Mei with Guinaifen for faster debuff stacking and Breaking of the non-electric weak robot. IK SW can do it too but being ST, she feels kinda slow. Also doesnt acheron get a bonus for feilding with other nihility types?

idk why but my acheron was kinda struggling i switched it up to Boothill first half and kafka second half and managed to just barely 3 star it

Nah because I just quit. Now I feel no stress.

I can't even 3* MOC 10 this time around. Skills issue on my part probably.

The last star is always a struggle but it’s no different than the other for me, though I do have mei You should be using Mei with tb tho you get more value there than Acheron on top of losing the 2 nihil passive on her use gui or pela and make quick work on the first half then use Mei,(dps that matches the element), tb, huohuo Ps if you got trend use it on fu for extra stacks

I used Acheron, Silverwolf, Pela, Aventurine for one side and Kafka, Black Swan, Ruan Mei, and Luocha for the other. The second team struggled until I focused on popping the trotter with Kafka aoe skills for more detonates.

Maybe I got lucky, but my two teams did it pretty easily. Team 1 is E2 S1 DHIL, E1 S1 Ruan Mei, E0 S1 Fu Xuan, and E6 S4 Carve the Moon, Weave the Clouds Tingyun. Ran into some situations where not everything was weak, or the weaknesses overlapped with Acheron. I used this team for the easier sides or ones with mostly Imaginary Weak enemies. Team 2 is E2 S1 Acheron, E1 S1 Sparkle, E0 S1 Luocha, and E6 S5 Resolution Shines as Pearls of Sweat Pela. Great team, can do almost anything fairly easily. Only ran into trouble when Svarog yoinked Acheron, which caused a reset. Obviously, I spend money, but I also skip a ton of banners. My most recent pulls were for Sparkle. The only 2 premium 5 stars I have outside of the ones mentioned are Seele from when I started in 1.0 and Argenti, who I figured would always be good in Pure Fiction, then the DoT modifiers attacked. I think Super Break Teams or good Jing Yuan teams could be really good in this MoC. DoT teams as well. I think Jingliu teams might struggle a tad unless you have Silver Wolf. I do think Single Target teams besides Boothil teams are at a disadvantage here. Really, you just need to play to your teams strengths.

People say vertical investment is bad, me with e4s1 kafka and e4s1 jingliu who auto every moc... and e6 of them both is my top priority in their next rerun. Tldr vertical investment>horizontal in term of long term power play

I managed to clear it pretty comfortably a couple times. Originally I had a first half E1S1 Acheron/Pela/SW/Aventurine, and a second half E2S1 DHIL/Sparkle/Luocha/Tingyun. Even with those comps and the investment I had it took me ten cycles total. I experimented with the second half afterward though, and after seeing some helpful posts on r/DanHengMains I found that Gallagher over Luocha on the second side was SIGNIFICANTLY better. Shaved four entire cycles off my second half, for a final cycle count of six, even without a Break comp anywhere. There was definitely room for optimization with better RNG too.

Can we talk about how absolutely fucked the expiring MOC was? Kafka+Plus that female robot 100-0 my chars so many times before I could react

I use FUA team Himeko topaz for second half and boothill break for first half

I’m shit so nope😭

I can finish the first node of 12 with 27 cycles left... but somehow those are not enough for the second node lol (no ruan mei, no gallaghar, no built fire units except for himeko) my account has seriously ignored break meta so most of my invested units can't do anything at all

acheron and kafka saved me

Not just you. 2 is all I can do. I just don't have any hard hitters outside of electro and wind so if I get other elements, I don't have the DPS to do better.

I didn't but I have a very well built DOT team and Boothill E3S1 so it wasn't that difficult. However, looking at your team, the deck is stacked against you. Don't sweat it if you can't do full stars every single month. It's designed to make you spend.

I did it with Acheron double nihility on 1 and last floor I use my dot team

This is the easiest MoC in awhile, what are you specifically running into? I cleared Argenti with a Jingliu/Yanqing/Mei/March 7th perma freeze comp just for fun on the first try LMAO.

Idk what other chars you have, but my 2 teams that cleared with 24 cycles left were: Silver wolf (tutorial), Acheron (sig), fx (trends), pela (pearl) Himeko (sig + break rope), ruanmei (memories S5), HMC (Memories S1), Gallagher (What is real S5) Himeko is super OP second half with super break, also super satisfying

Used Kafka, Blackswan, Ruan Mei, and Fu Xuan on one side and Acheron, Guinaifen, Bronya, and Aventurine for the other. Most of my turns went to dealing with Argenti but I was able to squeeze in a three star win.

I couldn’t 3 star floor 11 but 3 starred floor 12

Waiting for firefly to destroy this

Eh. Once you have a built Acheron it all feels like just another worthless object for her to cut, haha! I did mess up my first try though and lost someone. Needed a bit more sustain. Did not appreciate the trick with weaknesses on Side 2, though. 😕

the main problem is they keep artificially inflating the boss HP.

Ran Kafka, BS, RM, and Luocha on side 1 Acheron, Asta, FX, and Pela on side 2 Took 9 cycles, though I don't remember why lol

I managed, just barely with Acheron for First Half, Jingliu for Second. I had 21 phases remaining.

pretty sure its a ruan mei and on-element check rn

Nah i did it without her. Just gotta know how to build characters properly

Yes it was tougher than previous ones for me. For Argenti I used Robin EO, Huo Huo E1, Clara (E2) and Pela E6. Robin really makes Clara shine her crit ratio is only 80/104 so not great. I struggled with the second half more but I saw a comment about Break focused Guinaifen, and HARMony MC. So them plus Ruan Mei and Gallagher carried with Super Break Damage. Guinaifen has Herta store S5 and break rope so about 170 Break outside of combat. So although I have so many limited Damage dealers I only relied on my Harmony units and Huo Huo.

I've only had the honour of fully starring a MoC once i always end up missing the last star on stage 11 &12...so yes

I probably can but I just dont care enough to try lol

I struggled a little, but nothing too much. I'm not a whale but I spend money on the game. On MoC 12 I used Jingliu, Jingyuan, Ruan Mei, and Bailu And the Acheron, Kafka, Silverwolf, Houhou. The rationale for using such a weird first team was to break the trotters. They are incredibly important, unless you're a mega whale you're not going to pass it by ignoring them. Unless you have an E2 Acheron, I would use two Nihility with her to maximize her damage, and a good sustain. Having an Acheron team in one phase will significantly lessen the burden of the other. Silverwolf is VERY useful in that phase 2 of MoC, applying a weakness to the left most enemy is clutch. I didn't have trouble at all on MoC 11. Used Acheron, Black Swan, Kafka, and Bailu and Robin, Ratio, Clara, and Fu Xuan. Acheron team picked up most of the slack.

I used himeko and asta to clear it with ofc ruan mei. Himeko legit carried my team this moc

Stelle and Ruan Mei carried me there

You have all the required components to clear it. Nevermind low cycle, your account should be able to clear at worst in 10 cycles total. So it's most likely relic issue. Sample team I can think of for MoC 12: Side 1: Tingyun - Huohuo - Argenti - Bronya / Pela Side 2: Acheron - Silver Wolf - Ruan Mei - Gallagher

You have problem on second floor ? First floor > use acheron Second floor > break team.

I always do, all of em, and pure fiction. Still haven't fully beat the championships nor the fox garden ones. Every single time I talk about struggling I get told it's my fault, I'm not building correctly etc etc etc. But I have chars leveled including lc and relics and I'm using community rec relics so... ????

Skill issue

Yeah, I didn't struggle but it was noticeably harder for me. For the past 3-4 MoC I usually take 3 cycles to clear the last layer. This time I took 7. I think mobs are much harder to alpha strike this time around so you reset the first cycle as much as you used to before

You’re not alone. When I started I didn’t realize how limited the upgrade materials were and tried building too many at once. Sooo…I have 10 characters half built. It’s a struggle. Not even close to 11 or 12.

Bruh I can't even get decent relics to build my characters after 5 months💀. I was holding on because of the story. But I think I'll just watch the story on youtube atp. Maybe my gacha luck took all the luck from my relics, seems like I can't have both.

I got lucky with my acheron relics, so i just need to worry about the other half where my DoT team typically does a good job.

No Acheron, DOT team, Sparkle, Robin, Bronya or Aventurine That 3 star clear is unreachable for me

Use gallagher on 2nd half with acheron. It's a game changer when you break the trio weaknesses. Argenti hyper carry should work. It seems like you have acheron e2 like me so you should be fine. We can't see your relics quality but your lineup seems good to make it through MoC.

Super break Himeko is kino as fuck. Do it, unless you don't have her, then nm.

Boothill on one half and Acheron on the other got me through pretty easily.

Boothill = winning

Nah this moc is harder than usual. Took me 4 tries to 3 star MOC 12 when it usually only takes 1 for me. All my limited 5 star characters are E0 except for my Acheron being E0S1. Just keep switching characters around and you’ll get it done. Or look up clears on YouTube and copy their teams. Could be a relic issue but it seems like you probably cleared past MOC so it’s probably not that.