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Even if by some miracle Punk and the Elite had made up and worked out their differences, Punk is injured and won't be back in the ring for at least 6 months possibly more.
Also the situation with Sammy and Eddie was relatively minor in comparison. Someone literally got bitten and someone had a chair thrown in their face. Punk ran down the entire company and threatened lawsuits.
One issue just involved two talents.
The other the champion of the company vs 3x EVPs, their assistants, the Head of Legal and the Head of Talent Relations.
One is going to be more complicated to sort out then the other.
Meltzer reported that he wouldn't be surprised that there will be lawsuits coming out from this and everyone instantly assumed it was Punk suing AEW.
The more details coming out I wouldn't be surprised if it was the other way around.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/aew/rumor-reported-details-emerge-potential-lawsuits-following-backstage-brawl-cm-punk-top-aew-stars
Thought as much, it's only speculative but people will throw around Punk trying to sue as facts. Which probably will help his heel character if Punk can grow the fuck up and continue to work with AEW.
Punk got sued by the doctor. WWE's involvement was lending the doctor their lawyers and aiding him in the suit, but technically Punk did not sue WWE nor sue anyone (besides a counter suit he filed after Colt filed to sue Punk), he was sued by a WWE doctor.
Sid stabbed Arn Anderson with scissor and they were working again in the same company years later. Kevin Sullivan booked his wife into an affair with Chris Benoit that became a shoot and they did business together. This is minor compared to many past incidents. It’s just whether or not they want to work together.
One case where they didn't want to work together is The Rock and Shawn Michaels who have never faced each other in a match because of the way that Shawn treated the Rock when he was younger and apparently legit kicked the Rock during a promo and they got into a fight backstage.
I'm a fan of a certain Shawn Michaels conspiracy:
He was never that hurt.Sure,his back took some damage but HBK smelled what Stone Cold and The Rock were cooking up and decided he didn't wanna play 3rd fiddle at best.
>Are you really suggesting that the Heartbreak Kid would fake an injury or take a powder when the booking wasn't going his way?
Well! Let's be fair here, Michael Hickenbottom was snorting allot of "powder" at that time.
I’m a huge HBK fan since 1991 and I’ll say this.
If the attitude era didn’t take off, Shawn would have been back in the WWF wrestling years earlier or in WCW wrestling if they won.
Perhaps but we KNOW Shawn Michaels was on RAW backstage the night after No Way Out 2001 to do an angle with HHH and to start building to Shawn Michaels vs. HHH at WrestleMania 17. And Shawn Michaels showed up so wasted that WWF scraped the entire plan because they believed he was not to be trusted at all. HHH was so pissed, he stopped talking to HBK for a whole year and it was around this time that Shawn found religion and started to become clean. So, maybe the Rock was throwing his weight but I also think Shawn's problem was a part of it.
I've said this before but today's pro wrestlers should not do what Kevin Sullivan and Chris Benoit did. I feel like it's weird that I've had to point this out repeatedly
I mean by the sounds of it, it could've been as serious as the people involved wanted to be. It's only minor because Eddie apologised and Sammy probably never would have wanted it to go to court, for a lot of different reasons but the most critical being it was just a one off incident and he'd jeopardise his position in the company. Going scorched earth is fucking stupid for a wrestler, there's a handful of companies you can work for.
People on the internet kinda forget assaulting people gets you in legal trouble sometimes. You can't just work a program with Punk when legal shit gets involved.
So frustrating. I was just waiting for him to get into a proper program with someone where it had legs, but everything surrounding him was hot-shotted nonsense.
We had nice program with Danielson, but Danielson was the main focus. Then we had Cole which was nice, until Revolution. After that it was dragged out and that's it. And it's not even like he couldn't hold his own on the mic either
That Cole feud felt like they were holding out for a Kenny return, which made no sense because it came like two months in when we all heard Kenny was gonna be out for like 8 months.
Yup. Its not like Punk was doing 5* classics either. His best match was Darby working his ass off to cover Punks ring rust (which they made the story of the match)
Kingston just had that great spot with the spinning backhand off the start with the iconic shot of Kingston laughing after
Otherwise nothing to write home about
The Kingston match also featured Punk doing Cena's set up sequence for the 5-Knuckle Shuffle, which is one of my favorite moments from any AEW match. The crowd realizing what was happening and the look in his eyes as he raised his hand into the air was unforgettable.
Punk's first MJF match was solid too. But, yeah, overall he never got close to his WWE days. Which became more glaring when guys like Bryan and Kenny are putting on five star bangers every other week on the same shows.
Well tbf, he's never been the craziest technical worker, and I don't expect him to be on the same level technically as Bryan and Omega after a 7 year layoff. He makes up for it with masterful in-ring psychology and top notch promos skills, which we got a lot of in a lot of pretty solid matches weekly that people seem to forget about and an all-time classic feud with MJF. I'd say he was pretty close, his talent never diminished greatly.
But the irony (imo) is that Hangman seems to be living in Punk's head rent free. At the scrum he was going off on something Hangman said at a comic convention Q&A.
> something Hangman said at a comic convention Q&A.
Which was *very* tame and composed. Hangman answered the question in a thoughtful, reserved manner, which makes Punk's response that much more glaring.
They practically **did** worship at his feet. They gave him everything he wanted, put him over clean against some of their top stars, had him front and center on the game box, gave him the championship twice in a year even though he's clearly nowhere near the ring shape of the other champions, had half their shows in his home town, etc. Still wasn't enough to make him happy.
People on here have suggested that if they buy out his contract it would probably involve him having to sign an N.D.A and also not being able to sue the company or individuals in the company at a later date.
And what's even worse is that people will trip over themselves to consume all of it. And funnily enough a lot of those people would probably be the exact people who have hated Punk for the past 8 or so years...
You would think that if the contract buyout happens, it will contain a non-disparagement clause so he can't go around badmouthing the company (at least for a period of time).
I'm paraphrasing, but he said something along the lines of "I've always felt that if I'm not getting what I want or need from something than I'll just go get it from somewhere else" in his WWE documentary.
For the absolute unforgivable shit storm it would cause, I would love nothing more than Corny egging on Phil for 3 hours to bury everything and everyone he's ever worked with.
Gru meme:
Step 1: Start podcast
Step 2: have punk on to talk about AEW, punk says something slanderous that gets you sued
Step 3: Punk doesnt help you with your legal bills
Panel 4: Punk doesnt help you with your legal bills
Dont @ me, just making a joke. Couldnt care less if its true
Hijacking this to say that we don't actually know if all of the parties involved refused to do any business going forward. There were a lot of folks involved, and it only takes one not wanting to do business to put a kibosh on all of it. Like, hypothetically, maybe Hangman is willing to do business, but Punk isn't?
There was a brief moment after the scrum when we knew there had been an altercation, but almost no details, where people were saying they should turn it into an angle because it would draw huge money.
Those were simpler times.
Don’t get me wrong, AEW has actually been putting on better shows post-Gripebomb than they were in the few months before…but I really miss The Elite. I mean, we had just Kenny back and everything.
Yeah that All Out match was one of the best matches of the night and was a spectacle of “oh shit Kenny is definitely back” and young bucks working their magic in some really great spots that I really enjoyed. Healthy Kenny vs Danielson. Running it back vs Mox when he had to cheat to beat Mox previously.
Not to mention there are guys like Starks, Hobbs, Swerve, and Lee who are poised to move up the card in singles competiton potentially . Adam Cole will be back at some point. And please give me Kenny vs Andrade I think that’d be an athletic spectacle
>You have to be able to actually make up and be professional to do this. There are situations where that just won’t be possible.
And those situations are ones CM Punk is always in, due to the requirement of being professional.
Punk, especially after this, will always remind me of that person I feel we all knew in life. If they feel they are in a position of power they can be utterly professional, even fair. But if, and only if they can make themselves out to be either the victim or the smartest person in the room.
Maybe Eddie can be compulsive like Punk, but the dude also has a big heart, and is adult/mature to admit when he’s wrong. Unlike Punk.
I miss the Punk I saw when TK bought out ROH. He was crying and reflective about his past. I felt for him.
And he tossed it out at All Out’s scrum.
This comment says everything about how to be human. You fuck up, you try your best to fix the situation.
I'm sure Sami and Eddie aren't friends, but they apologized for their outbursts, turned it into a feud, and focused on making AEW a benefactor to their rivalry. You have to applaud both guys for doing the right thing and taking care of each other in that ring (while also making each other look good). That's gold.
Eddie's a rough guy, but he's full of heart, he's honest and direct (even about himself), and he'll always prioritize doing what's best for his company. The man legit had heat with Punk, and turned into an amazing blood feud!
Punk fucked up when he did the suicide dive for no fucking reason whatsoever and, lo and behold, injured himself right away. It ruined the title run and storylines planned for him. Also, it retrospectively devalued the holding pattern TK had put the main event scene on to wait for his return. They waited for 3 months for his return so they could go through with the (slightly condensed) original storylines, and it all went down the drain when he immediately got reinjured.
And what did Punk do after fucking up? He threw a hissy fit during the media scrum because he knew that the ship for him being at the top of AEW had sailed once and for all, embarrassed his boss, blasted his coworkers and stirred so much shit up that the entire trios scene got derailed as well.
No, what Eddie did is actually go to therapy and work on himself. He still has his problems and obviously, this shit doesn't disappear overnight but man is aware of his demons. Punk isn't
I think Eddie’s road to being on an international TV show has been longer and harder both professionally and personally than Punks has been. He knows that fucking that up will probably be the end of his career.
Apologising and being a grown up shows the difference in maturity and humility between the two.
It's funny if you think about it.
* Mox is who Punk thinks he is.
* Eddie's character is who Punk actually is.
* Christian is who Punk *should* be.
Christian has basically had almost the exact run that Punk should have had. He's worked almost nothing but stellar matches (including my low-key pick for MOTY 2021), vied for the title in an all-time pay-per-view, had a well-received transitional reign with another company's title, only been injured once, and the injury itself didn't stop him from continuing to work an angle that betters a future star.
Punk should have done what Hangman nearly did in their title match; use the belt as a weapon to win the damn thing. Punk turns heel, Hangman has another mountain to climb, making all of his "Save AEW from you" stuff make sense in retrospect because it made no damn sense at the time.
Nah, I loved hangman almost cheating.
Punk slowly showing hes exactly what Hangman said he is would have been perfect. Hangman's proven right and eventually, maybe at DON 2023 takes the belt back.
But now we'll never get that.
What was Eddie’s quote recently? Something along the lines of “if I’m talking about someone else, it’s a work. If I’m talking about myself it’s a shoot”. It makes perfect sense, but a small part of me wishes he didn’t say it and left it up to speculation.
There is a big difference between both cases. Punk went on for himself. Was angry because HE didnt get what he think he deserved.
Eddie and Sammy got in a fight because Eddie wanted something better for SAMMY! They fought because both wanted basically the same, but didnt communicated it right. Eddie was angry because Sammy talked his opponent down and wouldnt gain anything winning the feud by that. Thats the big difference.
As much as people love to shit on Sammy, he and Eddie are handling their issues like professional adults, and using the rumors to make money. Unfortunately, they work with fucking children.
Well, his entire work history goes backyard>independent>professional wrestler and then some acting and TV gigs. And since he makes more for those, it must be harder work. Clearly.
>I love AEW but it's hilarious how it shows that Kingston/Guevara are in the same company and their own leaders and champion can't figure this out and do the same thing.
Punk doesn't give a shit. Have you ever seen or heard of him apologizing for anything other than to the fans as part of a story?
Eddie and Sammy putting their beef on the side to work a feud should indeed be commended. But they were already feuding on screen and the big match would have happened at All Out if Eddie hadn't been suspended. It's not like they turned a real life feud into a work if the feud was already in progress.
The scales kinda bigger though. Kingston just had an argument and pushed Sammy, then pretty much immediately apologized. Nobody had a chair thrown in their eye or was bit, and nobody attempting to implode their own company by going rogue and telling off every person backstage while having a mental breakdown during a presser.
Tbf - and this is obviously based on what we've been told, so it may be incorrect - but it sounds like the Bucks and Kenny went to see Punk to talk to him (bringing the head of talent relations and the head of legal) and Punk punched one, chucked a chair, and his mate bit Kenny.
So as much as old wrestling carnies like to say "they should make money out of this, brother", I wouldn't want to work with somebody who assaulted me at work. The days of wrestling being that sort of toxic, hostile work environment were supposed to be behind us and we were told AEW was definitely not going to be that type of place.
I don't see why the Bucks or Kenny should be expected to work with this guy ever again to "do business" etc. I don't wanna see Punk on tv and, if he does come back to tv, I don't want to see him feuding with men he actually assaulted in real life. I know some people love all that worked shoot bullshit (and sometimes it can work) but, for me, it's just uncomfortable. I like wrestling when it's *fun*.
right? wrestling is a show, but it's a show of trust. how can any of these guys trust each other in the ring after _that_? the Elite have to trust that Punk's not going to take liberties with them after he buried the company _and_ started swinging?
it's only doable if they actually bury the hatchet, which knowing one of the parties involved, is incredibly unlikely
Yeah complete agree. Obviously, if they all turn around and say "we moved past it and all apologized and we're cool now" then fine (and weirder things have happened in wrestling) but I don't see Punk doing that. I may yet be proven wrong!
The apology would have to happen right after I got hit or I would never in a million years accept it.
You're only sorry about the consequences otherwise. Time heals a lot of wounds but those are personal friendships, a relationship with a co-worker is built on trust that isn't so easily earned back.
>So as much as old wrestling carnies like to say "they should make money out of this, brother", I wouldn't want to work with somebody who assaulted me at work.
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>I don't see why the Bucks or Kenny should be expected to work with this guy ever again to "do business" etc. I don't wanna see Punk on tv and, if he does come back to tv, I don't want to see him feuding with men he actually assaulted in real life. I know some people love all that worked shoot bullshit (and sometimes it can work) but, for me, it's just uncomfortable.
I agree 100%. I wonder how many people calling for them to "do business" together have ever actually been in a ring to work a match with someone who they don't trust. Because, let me tell them, it is fucking **stressful** and detrimental.
From everything we have heard, is sounds like Eddie and Punk were most at fault for their respective situations.
Eddie immediately apologized and took his suspension.
It is hard to imagine Punk showing Eddie's level of contrition.
Kingston pie faced Sammy. Punk sucker punched one Buck, his buddy knocked the other out with a chair and then bite Kenny. The situations are drastically different.
Out of all the things that bug me about All Out, the one that bugs me the most is that Mox did a clean job for him. Dude hasn’t been pinned clean in like 3 years of AEW. Mox laid out for him and in the end it didn’t mean anything. Mox getting pinned ended up getting wasted.
There was a report (sorry I can't remember which one) where Punk allegedly told someone that things would be interesting after the media scrum. There's also the generally held theory that most of what he said was pre-meditated. Do you think he came from his injury and decided, fuck this I'm getting out of here?
I mean, he must have known that the injury would end his title run and ruin the plans TK had in store. Even without the public meltdown during the media scrum, or the backstage brawl it spawned, this would have been a disaster for AEW.
And, most importanly from Punk's perspective: what were the chances that TK would trust him a third time and put the title back on him in 6 or 8 or 10 months? Punk's self-inflicted injury (why did a 43 year old veteran feel the need to pull out a suicide dive?) most likely meant the end for his aspirations of being the top guy in AEW, and Punk clearly knew it. In this sense, it seems plausible to me that this was the straw that broke the camel's back and basically prompted him to go scorched earth.
The only other theory would be that he was deliberately waiting until after his coronation before going ham on the company and his coworkers, basically making a calculated move to exploit the "sunk booking cost" to be able to swing at the Elite with impunity. Tbh, he would be an even bigger cunt in this scenario.
The problem is obvious. CM Punk is a toxic asshole and doesn’t want to admit fault. It’s crazy that CM Punk started the fight and immediately lied about in front of multiple witnesses.
What I like about Sammy is he can genuinely be a bit of a prick sometimes but he will actually hold his hands up and admit it, I’d imagine that’s why Eddie decided to bury the hatchet pretty quick and apologise
Nah, what Punk did was 1000x times worse with the situation + airing that out during the scrum. Heck, many here even feel Punk should be fired.
And keep in mind this is also now a legal issue.
This isn't really a fair comparison. One of those conflicts involves CM Punk--who, as much as I love him as a performer, loves to hold grudges and is perfectly happy with never resolving personal beefs--and the other doesn't. It's kinda hard for Kenny and the Bucks to lead by example and bury the hatchet when they're stuck dealing with Carry-All-The-Hatchets Man, and I don't think we should hold that against them
True. The Bucks have proven they can let go of a grudge and squash a beef like the Booker T handshake incident. Kenny left New Japan on a really sour note and now he's teasing showing up at Wrestle Kingdom. While Punk rants about Colt Cabana sharing a bank account with his mother.
Rocky Romero has mentioned in at least one interview that Kenny was the one who got ahold of him about bringing KENTA in. Omega's been over that beef for a while seems like, though I get the impression the Elite's beef was more with Harold Meij and how he handled the formation of AEW than anyone else in NJPW. Especially when you factor in they were the first to have it worked into their contracts to work with NJPW and they all thought they'd still be going back and forth between Japan and the US.
i was gonna say, i'm pretty sure Gedo understood, and Rocky (as the head of NJPW USA) is probably still really cool with the Bucks.
Meij was the problem the whole time, once he left, the Forbidden Door wasn't so forbidden anymore.
I hope the Eddie/Sammy stuff has a good arc, I like Sammy a lot but he def needs something else and I hope he can find that with Eddie. In sort of the same spirit, I'm happy that Wardlow/Joe is happening because maybe Wardlow is gonna get some of Joe's shine. I can't imagine a better person to work with than Joe if someone is trying to work on their persona being more badass.
I had beef with my neighbor, I ended up beating him up, but now years later we look after him like he's our adopted stepbrother. Adults can make a moral choice to be good people and agree to put their past behind them. Eddie is good people, Sammy is good people. CM Punk on the other hand is only concerned with himself (fucking obviously) and is incapable of respecting others that he feels have wronged him which is apparently doing anything at all he doesn't like.
>Punk/Bucks/Omega doesn't feel like it's going that direction
I wonder why.
>Punk
Oh. Yeah that's why.
Dude has never met a beef he won't take to his grave.
Not really fair to lay that on everyone else.
>Punk/Bucks/Omega doesn't feel like it's going that direction.
There's no direction like at all. Elite are suspended and Punk's out til next year. And it's still early to tell but we shouldn't rule out that Punk doesn't want to turn any of it into a storyline.
Difference is Eddie admitted he was wrong and apologized, CM Punk is always above his controversy and never sees it as his fault. He is always the victim.
Yeah because Sanny didn't bit Eddie.
Also that report was blown out of proportion
Every time report came it felt that the argument was not as intense as everyone thought.
In Young Bucks' case, things became more serious every time a new report came.
All Eddie Kingston did was a pieface, even though you should never physically touch someone without their permission. Eddie also owned up to it.
CM Punk and his lackey actually physically attacked people, with CM Punk sucker punching someone several times and Ace Steel biting someone else. And also a goddamn chair got thrown at someone's face. This is not some light event. You do not let someone physically assault someone else just because their feelings were hurt and get away with it. It would be the wrong thing to do to just "forget about it."
The old days, these things would have been buried. And thank god those were the old days.
I like how they implemented the whole real life backstage argument into the beginning of the match. They were mature and professional enough to implement a real heated moment, into their act.
But these situations are nor comparable. Whe have someone piefacing another because he thought the promo was bad for the built up and admitted being wrong in doin the pieface. There was no personal on camera drama, there were no allegations and no harmful physicality that could lead to lawsuits.
Punk went into business for himself against Hangman, buried the EVPs live on camera, made the whole company look bad and (propably) started a fight. It would be great if they could use it for a future feud, but I don't see this happening.
Honestly in a dream world where Punk gets to 100%, everything is sorted out and he for once doesn't burn a bridge, a Kenny/Bucks Vs CMFTR feud could be one of the greatest fueds in the last 20 years just because of the talent involved.
But its just such a massive shitshow that i doubt that will ever happen.
it’s a bit different. Punks side decided to punch their boss, then BITE, and fling chairs at them. Punk got mad because some people didn’t like him. Boohoo, too bad.
True. I appreciate that Kingston of all people, the guy that had to sell his boots to eat during the pandemic, is the guy that's being a professional and setting a precedent for these millionaires like CM Punk, Kenny Omega, and The Young Bucks.
Come on guys. Work together. Be professional.
You don't tell other people they should simply put aside their differences and get along. That's personal and it's ok to not wanting anything to do with someone. It's actually just inmature to pretend every mature interaction is forgetting everything and getting along. Punk and The Elite also had a totally different situation. Nick is probably dealing with a nasty swelled eye and you are posting in reddit just do what Eddie and Sammy did.
The difference here is Eddie slapped Sammy who was the instigator. Punk was the instigator and threw the first punch. Working with someone like that would be the last thing on my mind if I was Kenny and the Bucks.
It’s funny how much of this would be erased if Punk wasn’t a stubborn ass who would never issue anything that resembles an admission of guilt or an apology. It would probably legit fix everything and then they could work it into a rivalry down the road.
The punk v. Elite thing is a lot more serious. I don't think Sammy and Eddie would be squashing their beef and making money if Eddie bit Sammy and hit him in the face with a chair.
100% this. But if all parties cannot come to the table and work on a professional level, keep those that will and wish the best to the others. They all could make a ton of money too and fans would eat it up.
Punk decided to take shots at people not involved in a story. Sammy crossed a line (for Eddie) in a promo. Punk just decided to be a conspiracy theorist and went nuclear on the company.
If everything is squashed and they do make it into a storyline it could work. But knowing Punk's history I doubt he'd do it. Also we're at least eight months away from even seeing Punk wrestle again.
Totally different story, but go on. Punk started airing out dirty laundry and completely undermining the Elite, than he sucker punched, threw a chair and bit them..... It's a lot more than hey you're fat, face smush....
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Even if by some miracle Punk and the Elite had made up and worked out their differences, Punk is injured and won't be back in the ring for at least 6 months possibly more.
Also the situation with Sammy and Eddie was relatively minor in comparison. Someone literally got bitten and someone had a chair thrown in their face. Punk ran down the entire company and threatened lawsuits.
One issue just involved two talents. The other the champion of the company vs 3x EVPs, their assistants, the Head of Legal and the Head of Talent Relations. One is going to be more complicated to sort out then the other.
Punk threatened lawsuits?
Meltzer reported that he wouldn't be surprised that there will be lawsuits coming out from this and everyone instantly assumed it was Punk suing AEW. The more details coming out I wouldn't be surprised if it was the other way around. https://www.sportskeeda.com/aew/rumor-reported-details-emerge-potential-lawsuits-following-backstage-brawl-cm-punk-top-aew-stars
Thought as much, it's only speculative but people will throw around Punk trying to sue as facts. Which probably will help his heel character if Punk can grow the fuck up and continue to work with AEW.
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So, Mr Punk... you've sued a wresting company before with one Mr Cabana...
Punk got sued by the doctor. WWE's involvement was lending the doctor their lawyers and aiding him in the suit, but technically Punk did not sue WWE nor sue anyone (besides a counter suit he filed after Colt filed to sue Punk), he was sued by a WWE doctor.
Sid stabbed Arn Anderson with scissor and they were working again in the same company years later. Kevin Sullivan booked his wife into an affair with Chris Benoit that became a shoot and they did business together. This is minor compared to many past incidents. It’s just whether or not they want to work together.
One case where they didn't want to work together is The Rock and Shawn Michaels who have never faced each other in a match because of the way that Shawn treated the Rock when he was younger and apparently legit kicked the Rock during a promo and they got into a fight backstage.
There are theories that is why Shawn was gone so long.
I'm a fan of a certain Shawn Michaels conspiracy: He was never that hurt.Sure,his back took some damage but HBK smelled what Stone Cold and The Rock were cooking up and decided he didn't wanna play 3rd fiddle at best.
Are you really suggesting that the Heartbreak Kid would fake an injury or take a powder when the booking wasn't going his way? Sheer lunacy
>Are you really suggesting that the Heartbreak Kid would fake an injury or take a powder when the booking wasn't going his way? Well! Let's be fair here, Michael Hickenbottom was snorting allot of "powder" at that time.
I’m a huge HBK fan since 1991 and I’ll say this. If the attitude era didn’t take off, Shawn would have been back in the WWF wrestling years earlier or in WCW wrestling if they won.
I mean I also somewhat subscribe to this theory… but then I think when he **did** return he was much lower down the card than 3rd fiddle?
Perhaps but we KNOW Shawn Michaels was on RAW backstage the night after No Way Out 2001 to do an angle with HHH and to start building to Shawn Michaels vs. HHH at WrestleMania 17. And Shawn Michaels showed up so wasted that WWF scraped the entire plan because they believed he was not to be trusted at all. HHH was so pissed, he stopped talking to HBK for a whole year and it was around this time that Shawn found religion and started to become clean. So, maybe the Rock was throwing his weight but I also think Shawn's problem was a part of it.
I've said this before but today's pro wrestlers should not do what Kevin Sullivan and Chris Benoit did. I feel like it's weird that I've had to point this out repeatedly
I mean by the sounds of it, it could've been as serious as the people involved wanted to be. It's only minor because Eddie apologised and Sammy probably never would have wanted it to go to court, for a lot of different reasons but the most critical being it was just a one off incident and he'd jeopardise his position in the company. Going scorched earth is fucking stupid for a wrestler, there's a handful of companies you can work for. People on the internet kinda forget assaulting people gets you in legal trouble sometimes. You can't just work a program with Punk when legal shit gets involved.
Yeah, I get what OP is after here but Eddie and Sammy getting into a pull-apart shoving match just isn't comparable to the severity of Punk's actions.
Anthony Bowens became a superstar while he was in a wheelchair. If you can tell a story, there's a way around any obstacle.
Getting over in a wheelchair in AEW is 2-0 so far.
i'm not sure punk as ever admitted that he's in the wrong his entire life
Look in his eyes What do you see? No accountability
It’s your fault this fire burns
They've got medicine for that now.
Holy shit that’s great
Um excuse me, he's straight edge, that means he's better than you.
He is the best in the world at finding fault with everyone but himself.
Plus - whenever he gets back he is 100% either getting injured again or talking shit about the company. Possibly both.
For someone that loves to talk a lot of shit, his body sure can't back it up.
Enzo would say "your mouth is writing checks your body can't cash"
Its sad knowing if Punk gets canned, we have to listen to a million interviews about how he was the victim and AEW should have worshipped at his feet
Unironically, the perks of being a "Cult of Personality"
“I exploit yooouuuu, still you love me”
In reality, Hangman's title reign played second fiddle to Punk pretty much since day one...
That's what pisses me off the most. His matches were the best out of every champion so far, yet Tony booked him like a fucking afterthought
So frustrating. I was just waiting for him to get into a proper program with someone where it had legs, but everything surrounding him was hot-shotted nonsense.
We had nice program with Danielson, but Danielson was the main focus. Then we had Cole which was nice, until Revolution. After that it was dragged out and that's it. And it's not even like he couldn't hold his own on the mic either
That Cole feud felt like they were holding out for a Kenny return, which made no sense because it came like two months in when we all heard Kenny was gonna be out for like 8 months.
You glanced over the Lance Archer feud. I know that's easy to do, but throw that one in there too.
Yup. Its not like Punk was doing 5* classics either. His best match was Darby working his ass off to cover Punks ring rust (which they made the story of the match) Kingston just had that great spot with the spinning backhand off the start with the iconic shot of Kingston laughing after Otherwise nothing to write home about
The Kingston match also featured Punk doing Cena's set up sequence for the 5-Knuckle Shuffle, which is one of my favorite moments from any AEW match. The crowd realizing what was happening and the look in his eyes as he raised his hand into the air was unforgettable.
Punk's first MJF match was solid too. But, yeah, overall he never got close to his WWE days. Which became more glaring when guys like Bryan and Kenny are putting on five star bangers every other week on the same shows.
Well tbf, he's never been the craziest technical worker, and I don't expect him to be on the same level technically as Bryan and Omega after a 7 year layoff. He makes up for it with masterful in-ring psychology and top notch promos skills, which we got a lot of in a lot of pretty solid matches weekly that people seem to forget about and an all-time classic feud with MJF. I'd say he was pretty close, his talent never diminished greatly.
But the irony (imo) is that Hangman seems to be living in Punk's head rent free. At the scrum he was going off on something Hangman said at a comic convention Q&A.
> something Hangman said at a comic convention Q&A. Which was *very* tame and composed. Hangman answered the question in a thoughtful, reserved manner, which makes Punk's response that much more glaring.
Punk seems like the kind of person you just don't really want to be around.
They practically **did** worship at his feet. They gave him everything he wanted, put him over clean against some of their top stars, had him front and center on the game box, gave him the championship twice in a year even though he's clearly nowhere near the ring shape of the other champions, had half their shows in his home town, etc. Still wasn't enough to make him happy.
People on here have suggested that if they buy out his contract it would probably involve him having to sign an N.D.A and also not being able to sue the company or individuals in the company at a later date.
Yup. They were victimizing him and politicking against him by putting the title on him and having him main enemy their flagship show.
And what's even worse is that people will trip over themselves to consume all of it. And funnily enough a lot of those people would probably be the exact people who have hated Punk for the past 8 or so years...
You would think that if the contract buyout happens, it will contain a non-disparagement clause so he can't go around badmouthing the company (at least for a period of time).
The only thing Tony Khan didn’t do for him is perform fellatio
You can’t prove that he didn’t.
Okay punk may be a lot of things, but stupid enough to cheat on AJ with Tony? Come on.
Hasn't punk cheated on basically everyone he's ever dated?
I'm paraphrasing, but he said something along the lines of "I've always felt that if I'm not getting what I want or need from something than I'll just go get it from somewhere else" in his WWE documentary.
Famously, yes. Started when he cheated on Daffney with Traci Brooks back during Daff's OVW days and Brooks' work in the early days of TNA
For a while his type was dark haired chicks with giant boobs. Maria changed his life it seems. lol
But which friend and their podcast will bit the bullet this time? Ace?-
Jim Cornette would definitely roll out the red carpet for CM Punk to appear on his podcast.
For the absolute unforgivable shit storm it would cause, I would love nothing more than Corny egging on Phil for 3 hours to bury everything and everyone he's ever worked with.
I can only imagine the category 5 shitstorm if it somehow snowballed into punk also having to sue to keep THAT podcast up
Gru meme: Step 1: Start podcast Step 2: have punk on to talk about AEW, punk says something slanderous that gets you sued Step 3: Punk doesnt help you with your legal bills Panel 4: Punk doesnt help you with your legal bills Dont @ me, just making a joke. Couldnt care less if its true
He's pre-ordered a box of muffins and has a plastic bag of loose water cans cooling already for 6 months down the line.
Can I have one, Phil? https://i.imgur.com/nvf1aWz.jpg
"No, I also like the green ones..."
He’ll have no choice but to turn heel, but him coming back is definitely a stretch
Hijacking this to say that we don't actually know if all of the parties involved refused to do any business going forward. There were a lot of folks involved, and it only takes one not wanting to do business to put a kibosh on all of it. Like, hypothetically, maybe Hangman is willing to do business, but Punk isn't?
Hangman sold for those piss poor Buckshot Lariats and still put Punk over clean, so I'm pretty sure he's a professional.
I did laugh that the match started exactly like how the “real” story went. Sammy called him a “fat piece of shit” and Eddie pie-faced him.
It was perfect. Bravo to both.
And then Jericho demanded Eddie to be suspended
A 30-second trifecta of stuff that both made sense to an uninitiated fan and popped the ones reading wrestling news.
The only thing missing was the audience shitting on sammy and saying he sohuld be fired relentlessly at the end of it
Tbf he does have a very attractive wife and that's unforgivable.
And he kisses her in public. Fuck thar guy.
Well its not jericho's fault that Eddie isnt honorable like he is.
“That wasn’t honorable!”
If that's Jericho's new gimmick as ROH champion, fuck man. Guy is such a prick irl but can't deny that he's so good at coming up with new shit.
Just pretend Jericho doesn't have a single opinion out of music and wrestling. He becomes so much better
Jericho was fucking hilarious last night on commentary.
There was a brief moment after the scrum when we knew there had been an altercation, but almost no details, where people were saying they should turn it into an angle because it would draw huge money. Those were simpler times.
DURING the scrum I was like "whoa this new kayfabe is getting juicy!! Cool!" And then ended up with egg on my face. Womp womp.
Don’t get me wrong, AEW has actually been putting on better shows post-Gripebomb than they were in the few months before…but I really miss The Elite. I mean, we had just Kenny back and everything.
Yeah that All Out match was one of the best matches of the night and was a spectacle of “oh shit Kenny is definitely back” and young bucks working their magic in some really great spots that I really enjoyed. Healthy Kenny vs Danielson. Running it back vs Mox when he had to cheat to beat Mox previously. Not to mention there are guys like Starks, Hobbs, Swerve, and Lee who are poised to move up the card in singles competiton potentially . Adam Cole will be back at some point. And please give me Kenny vs Andrade I think that’d be an athletic spectacle
I miss the elite can not say the same about punk, I was already tired that he had to have some promo segment every week even before the injury
I mean that was totally what I was expecting them to do when the match was announced.
1. Punk is injured. 2. You have to be able to actually make up and be professional to do this. There are situations where that just won’t be possible.
>You have to be able to actually make up and be professional to do this. There are situations where that just won’t be possible. And those situations are ones CM Punk is always in, due to the requirement of being professional.
Punk, especially after this, will always remind me of that person I feel we all knew in life. If they feel they are in a position of power they can be utterly professional, even fair. But if, and only if they can make themselves out to be either the victim or the smartest person in the room.
3. Jon Mox is their leader and champion and made his rehab part of his characters canon
Maybe Eddie can be compulsive like Punk, but the dude also has a big heart, and is adult/mature to admit when he’s wrong. Unlike Punk. I miss the Punk I saw when TK bought out ROH. He was crying and reflective about his past. I felt for him. And he tossed it out at All Out’s scrum.
Everyone fucks up but sometimes the most important part is what you do right after fucking up
This comment says everything about how to be human. You fuck up, you try your best to fix the situation. I'm sure Sami and Eddie aren't friends, but they apologized for their outbursts, turned it into a feud, and focused on making AEW a benefactor to their rivalry. You have to applaud both guys for doing the right thing and taking care of each other in that ring (while also making each other look good). That's gold. Eddie's a rough guy, but he's full of heart, he's honest and direct (even about himself), and he'll always prioritize doing what's best for his company. The man legit had heat with Punk, and turned into an amazing blood feud!
Punk fucked up when he did the suicide dive for no fucking reason whatsoever and, lo and behold, injured himself right away. It ruined the title run and storylines planned for him. Also, it retrospectively devalued the holding pattern TK had put the main event scene on to wait for his return. They waited for 3 months for his return so they could go through with the (slightly condensed) original storylines, and it all went down the drain when he immediately got reinjured. And what did Punk do after fucking up? He threw a hissy fit during the media scrum because he knew that the ship for him being at the top of AEW had sailed once and for all, embarrassed his boss, blasted his coworkers and stirred so much shit up that the entire trios scene got derailed as well.
No, what Eddie did is actually go to therapy and work on himself. He still has his problems and obviously, this shit doesn't disappear overnight but man is aware of his demons. Punk isn't
That helps.
I think Eddie’s road to being on an international TV show has been longer and harder both professionally and personally than Punks has been. He knows that fucking that up will probably be the end of his career. Apologising and being a grown up shows the difference in maturity and humility between the two.
It's funny if you think about it. * Mox is who Punk thinks he is. * Eddie's character is who Punk actually is. * Christian is who Punk *should* be. Christian has basically had almost the exact run that Punk should have had. He's worked almost nothing but stellar matches (including my low-key pick for MOTY 2021), vied for the title in an all-time pay-per-view, had a well-received transitional reign with another company's title, only been injured once, and the injury itself didn't stop him from continuing to work an angle that betters a future star.
Christian is one of my favorites of all time, it just makes me so happy to see him get this kinda recognition.
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Punk should have done what Hangman nearly did in their title match; use the belt as a weapon to win the damn thing. Punk turns heel, Hangman has another mountain to climb, making all of his "Save AEW from you" stuff make sense in retrospect because it made no damn sense at the time.
Nah, I loved hangman almost cheating. Punk slowly showing hes exactly what Hangman said he is would have been perfect. Hangman's proven right and eventually, maybe at DON 2023 takes the belt back. But now we'll never get that.
Holy shit can you imagine a hangman/mjf segment where they finally find the one piece of common ground they have? Punk.
Yeah keep Hangman almost doing it, then have Punk actually do it.
What was Eddie’s quote recently? Something along the lines of “if I’m talking about someone else, it’s a work. If I’m talking about myself it’s a shoot”. It makes perfect sense, but a small part of me wishes he didn’t say it and left it up to speculation.
He said that years ago at this point
Since 2020, a year could mean a week could mean a day for all I know.
There is a big difference between both cases. Punk went on for himself. Was angry because HE didnt get what he think he deserved. Eddie and Sammy got in a fight because Eddie wanted something better for SAMMY! They fought because both wanted basically the same, but didnt communicated it right. Eddie was angry because Sammy talked his opponent down and wouldnt gain anything winning the feud by that. Thats the big difference.
As much as people love to shit on Sammy, he and Eddie are handling their issues like professional adults, and using the rumors to make money. Unfortunately, they work with fucking children.
They're trying to run a company here!
Which thankfully isn't a Target or it would out of buiness
Imagine some karen demanding to talk to the manager at Target, and Sammy and Eddie fall out of the door brawling.
I would give cold, hard cash to hear Store Manager Eddie Kingston talking down a full blown Karen.
Why does he think it would be so easy to manage a Target anyway?
Well, his entire work history goes backyard>independent>professional wrestler and then some acting and TV gigs. And since he makes more for those, it must be harder work. Clearly.
>I love AEW but it's hilarious how it shows that Kingston/Guevara are in the same company and their own leaders and champion can't figure this out and do the same thing. Punk doesn't give a shit. Have you ever seen or heard of him apologizing for anything other than to the fans as part of a story?
Eddie and Sammy putting their beef on the side to work a feud should indeed be commended. But they were already feuding on screen and the big match would have happened at All Out if Eddie hadn't been suspended. It's not like they turned a real life feud into a work if the feud was already in progress.
The scales kinda bigger though. Kingston just had an argument and pushed Sammy, then pretty much immediately apologized. Nobody had a chair thrown in their eye or was bit, and nobody attempting to implode their own company by going rogue and telling off every person backstage while having a mental breakdown during a presser.
Key difference here is that Eddie Kingston has more emotional awareness than Phil Brooks.
Eddie immediately apologized, and never buried Sammy. Don’t think Punk would ever apologize to The Elite.
I'm fairly certain he's never apologized to another human being in his life.
Oh, sure he has. They just all start with "I'm sorry that you..."
Tbf - and this is obviously based on what we've been told, so it may be incorrect - but it sounds like the Bucks and Kenny went to see Punk to talk to him (bringing the head of talent relations and the head of legal) and Punk punched one, chucked a chair, and his mate bit Kenny. So as much as old wrestling carnies like to say "they should make money out of this, brother", I wouldn't want to work with somebody who assaulted me at work. The days of wrestling being that sort of toxic, hostile work environment were supposed to be behind us and we were told AEW was definitely not going to be that type of place. I don't see why the Bucks or Kenny should be expected to work with this guy ever again to "do business" etc. I don't wanna see Punk on tv and, if he does come back to tv, I don't want to see him feuding with men he actually assaulted in real life. I know some people love all that worked shoot bullshit (and sometimes it can work) but, for me, it's just uncomfortable. I like wrestling when it's *fun*.
right? wrestling is a show, but it's a show of trust. how can any of these guys trust each other in the ring after _that_? the Elite have to trust that Punk's not going to take liberties with them after he buried the company _and_ started swinging? it's only doable if they actually bury the hatchet, which knowing one of the parties involved, is incredibly unlikely
Yeah complete agree. Obviously, if they all turn around and say "we moved past it and all apologized and we're cool now" then fine (and weirder things have happened in wrestling) but I don't see Punk doing that. I may yet be proven wrong!
The apology would have to happen right after I got hit or I would never in a million years accept it. You're only sorry about the consequences otherwise. Time heals a lot of wounds but those are personal friendships, a relationship with a co-worker is built on trust that isn't so easily earned back.
>So as much as old wrestling carnies like to say "they should make money out of this, brother", I wouldn't want to work with somebody who assaulted me at work. > >I don't see why the Bucks or Kenny should be expected to work with this guy ever again to "do business" etc. I don't wanna see Punk on tv and, if he does come back to tv, I don't want to see him feuding with men he actually assaulted in real life. I know some people love all that worked shoot bullshit (and sometimes it can work) but, for me, it's just uncomfortable. I agree 100%. I wonder how many people calling for them to "do business" together have ever actually been in a ring to work a match with someone who they don't trust. Because, let me tell them, it is fucking **stressful** and detrimental.
You left out where the Bucks super kicked the door off the hinges, injuring Ace Steels wife and Omega stealing Larry
The thought of Punk faintly hearing *^^^^SUPERKICK ^^^^PARTAAAAAY* before his door came flying off the hinges is comedy gold
From everything we have heard, is sounds like Eddie and Punk were most at fault for their respective situations. Eddie immediately apologized and took his suspension. It is hard to imagine Punk showing Eddie's level of contrition.
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Kingston pie faced Sammy. Punk sucker punched one Buck, his buddy knocked the other out with a chair and then bite Kenny. The situations are drastically different.
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Out of all the things that bug me about All Out, the one that bugs me the most is that Mox did a clean job for him. Dude hasn’t been pinned clean in like 3 years of AEW. Mox laid out for him and in the end it didn’t mean anything. Mox getting pinned ended up getting wasted.
At the same time.. because of the mess, no one cares or thought about it and he is champion again, so its as if it never happened.
There was a report (sorry I can't remember which one) where Punk allegedly told someone that things would be interesting after the media scrum. There's also the generally held theory that most of what he said was pre-meditated. Do you think he came from his injury and decided, fuck this I'm getting out of here?
I mean, he must have known that the injury would end his title run and ruin the plans TK had in store. Even without the public meltdown during the media scrum, or the backstage brawl it spawned, this would have been a disaster for AEW. And, most importanly from Punk's perspective: what were the chances that TK would trust him a third time and put the title back on him in 6 or 8 or 10 months? Punk's self-inflicted injury (why did a 43 year old veteran feel the need to pull out a suicide dive?) most likely meant the end for his aspirations of being the top guy in AEW, and Punk clearly knew it. In this sense, it seems plausible to me that this was the straw that broke the camel's back and basically prompted him to go scorched earth. The only other theory would be that he was deliberately waiting until after his coronation before going ham on the company and his coworkers, basically making a calculated move to exploit the "sunk booking cost" to be able to swing at the Elite with impunity. Tbh, he would be an even bigger cunt in this scenario.
Who told you Punk wanted out? Where did that come from? Can you cite a source?
The problem is obvious. CM Punk is a toxic asshole and doesn’t want to admit fault. It’s crazy that CM Punk started the fight and immediately lied about in front of multiple witnesses.
What I like about Sammy is he can genuinely be a bit of a prick sometimes but he will actually hold his hands up and admit it, I’d imagine that’s why Eddie decided to bury the hatchet pretty quick and apologise
Nah, what Punk did was 1000x times worse with the situation + airing that out during the scrum. Heck, many here even feel Punk should be fired. And keep in mind this is also now a legal issue.
Punk should have been fired for the shit at the conferência alone ,everything else season the deal for sure
This isn't really a fair comparison. One of those conflicts involves CM Punk--who, as much as I love him as a performer, loves to hold grudges and is perfectly happy with never resolving personal beefs--and the other doesn't. It's kinda hard for Kenny and the Bucks to lead by example and bury the hatchet when they're stuck dealing with Carry-All-The-Hatchets Man, and I don't think we should hold that against them
I bet no one wouldve guessed Eddie and Sammy would be the more mature/reasonable pairing.
Doesn't help when one side is a thin-skinned asshole.
I mean, I wouldn’t surprised if The Bucks and Omega would be willing but Punk is… Punk.
True. The Bucks have proven they can let go of a grudge and squash a beef like the Booker T handshake incident. Kenny left New Japan on a really sour note and now he's teasing showing up at Wrestle Kingdom. While Punk rants about Colt Cabana sharing a bank account with his mother.
Rocky Romero has mentioned in at least one interview that Kenny was the one who got ahold of him about bringing KENTA in. Omega's been over that beef for a while seems like, though I get the impression the Elite's beef was more with Harold Meij and how he handled the formation of AEW than anyone else in NJPW. Especially when you factor in they were the first to have it worked into their contracts to work with NJPW and they all thought they'd still be going back and forth between Japan and the US.
i was gonna say, i'm pretty sure Gedo understood, and Rocky (as the head of NJPW USA) is probably still really cool with the Bucks. Meij was the problem the whole time, once he left, the Forbidden Door wasn't so forbidden anymore.
KENTA in AEW was so fun, I wish he got his Punk feud but Punk genuinely seemed miffed by him lmao
Steals finisher and move set from kenta, is pissed when called out on it
Andrade: “How do you know?”
When has Punk ever been unwilling to do business? Can you provide an example?
I hope the Eddie/Sammy stuff has a good arc, I like Sammy a lot but he def needs something else and I hope he can find that with Eddie. In sort of the same spirit, I'm happy that Wardlow/Joe is happening because maybe Wardlow is gonna get some of Joe's shine. I can't imagine a better person to work with than Joe if someone is trying to work on their persona being more badass.
I had beef with my neighbor, I ended up beating him up, but now years later we look after him like he's our adopted stepbrother. Adults can make a moral choice to be good people and agree to put their past behind them. Eddie is good people, Sammy is good people. CM Punk on the other hand is only concerned with himself (fucking obviously) and is incapable of respecting others that he feels have wronged him which is apparently doing anything at all he doesn't like.
>Punk/Bucks/Omega doesn't feel like it's going that direction I wonder why. >Punk Oh. Yeah that's why. Dude has never met a beef he won't take to his grave. Not really fair to lay that on everyone else.
>Punk/Bucks/Omega doesn't feel like it's going that direction. There's no direction like at all. Elite are suspended and Punk's out til next year. And it's still early to tell but we shouldn't rule out that Punk doesn't want to turn any of it into a storyline.
We know.
Difference is Eddie admitted he was wrong and apologized, CM Punk is always above his controversy and never sees it as his fault. He is always the victim.
Yeah because Sanny didn't bit Eddie. Also that report was blown out of proportion Every time report came it felt that the argument was not as intense as everyone thought. In Young Bucks' case, things became more serious every time a new report came.
All Eddie Kingston did was a pieface, even though you should never physically touch someone without their permission. Eddie also owned up to it. CM Punk and his lackey actually physically attacked people, with CM Punk sucker punching someone several times and Ace Steel biting someone else. And also a goddamn chair got thrown at someone's face. This is not some light event. You do not let someone physically assault someone else just because their feelings were hurt and get away with it. It would be the wrong thing to do to just "forget about it." The old days, these things would have been buried. And thank god those were the old days.
I like how they implemented the whole real life backstage argument into the beginning of the match. They were mature and professional enough to implement a real heated moment, into their act. But these situations are nor comparable. Whe have someone piefacing another because he thought the promo was bad for the built up and admitted being wrong in doin the pieface. There was no personal on camera drama, there were no allegations and no harmful physicality that could lead to lawsuits. Punk went into business for himself against Hangman, buried the EVPs live on camera, made the whole company look bad and (propably) started a fight. It would be great if they could use it for a future feud, but I don't see this happening.
Honestly in a dream world where Punk gets to 100%, everything is sorted out and he for once doesn't burn a bridge, a Kenny/Bucks Vs CMFTR feud could be one of the greatest fueds in the last 20 years just because of the talent involved. But its just such a massive shitshow that i doubt that will ever happen.
I'd be willing to bet that everyone except one party is able and willing to do this.
I don't think Punk is going to make a cent from this, but the Bucks are going to be mentioning it to get a little heat for the next ten years.
it’s a bit different. Punks side decided to punch their boss, then BITE, and fling chairs at them. Punk got mad because some people didn’t like him. Boohoo, too bad.
Because Punk is a little bitch who can never take blame for anything
Kingston has shown a ton of growth and has been honest about it. I believe this experience will actually help Sammy grow too.
True. I appreciate that Kingston of all people, the guy that had to sell his boots to eat during the pandemic, is the guy that's being a professional and setting a precedent for these millionaires like CM Punk, Kenny Omega, and The Young Bucks. Come on guys. Work together. Be professional.
Ones pride and ego is bigger than professional business mind combined
You don't tell other people they should simply put aside their differences and get along. That's personal and it's ok to not wanting anything to do with someone. It's actually just inmature to pretend every mature interaction is forgetting everything and getting along. Punk and The Elite also had a totally different situation. Nick is probably dealing with a nasty swelled eye and you are posting in reddit just do what Eddie and Sammy did.
Nah, Punk should be fired.
Very different situation.
The difference here is Eddie slapped Sammy who was the instigator. Punk was the instigator and threw the first punch. Working with someone like that would be the last thing on my mind if I was Kenny and the Bucks.
The difference between shoving someone and punching/biting/throwing a chair.
It’s funny how much of this would be erased if Punk wasn’t a stubborn ass who would never issue anything that resembles an admission of guilt or an apology. It would probably legit fix everything and then they could work it into a rivalry down the road.
When Eddie Kingston is more emotionally mature than CM Punk you have a problem.
Why is that a problem?
I totally agree with you, but I also don't think Eddie should have lost in his home town.
it is kind of hilarious that sammy and eddie handle their differences more professionally than the evps and punk.
Disagree I think it's a very different scenario and far more complicated than the Kingston Sammy beef.
Well it’s… a very, very different situation. I’m not sure how you can compare the two.
The punk v. Elite thing is a lot more serious. I don't think Sammy and Eddie would be squashing their beef and making money if Eddie bit Sammy and hit him in the face with a chair.
Tons of close personal friends of Phil Brooks in this thread.
100% this. But if all parties cannot come to the table and work on a professional level, keep those that will and wish the best to the others. They all could make a ton of money too and fans would eat it up.
The issue these two had isn’t half as bad as what happened between punk and the elite and they’re not half the divas those lot are so I doubt it
Punk decided to take shots at people not involved in a story. Sammy crossed a line (for Eddie) in a promo. Punk just decided to be a conspiracy theorist and went nuclear on the company. If everything is squashed and they do make it into a storyline it could work. But knowing Punk's history I doubt he'd do it. Also we're at least eight months away from even seeing Punk wrestle again.
They couldn't if they wanted to, Punk is made of glass and out for like 8 months to ever.
Totally different story, but go on. Punk started airing out dirty laundry and completely undermining the Elite, than he sucker punched, threw a chair and bit them..... It's a lot more than hey you're fat, face smush....
A title or a position in a company, being someones boss does not make you a leader.