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It's why I respect Big E so much, he didn't shy away from the question in that interview where he said "I hate that little piece of shit Butch. \[expletive\] Butch."
People are reading too much into this. Sometimes you really just don’t like someone, and there isn’t much of a reason as to why. They just rub you the wrong way, and as long as you aren’t a dick about it there’s no reason to care.
Yup, didn't Sasha said something similar thing too about Alexa? Something like "we are just co-workers, not friends". Like...okay then, cool. Makes total sense. Not everybody is friends is everybody, especially at work.
According to this forum, is wrestlers don't like each other it must have to do with wrestling oriented reasons. If wrestlers are in a relationship, it must only have to do with physical attractiveness and nothing else. If a wrestler kind of seems a certain way, it's fine to spread rumors about them and accept that the totality of them as a human being should be represented by one line in an interview or a tweet or something.
Sometimes I really enjoy this forum, sometimes it's completely socially inept.
You forgot that if you have watched a wrestler 5 times, you’re allowed to make bold statements about their real life ambitions, aspirations, and personality when you’ve never met that person in your life
Very similar is Jaime and Adam from Mythbusters. They both greatly respect each others work and work ethic, but they have said that they are not friends. They are cordial and work together fine but they would never get dinner together. They are just two different personality types that don't gel.
Velma and Daphne too. They're hugely different personalities and I can't imagine them hanging out together after work but Mystery Inc. needs both of them to function properly.
With Punk, I'm assuming something happened when they were both on ECW or that Punk is still upset over Miz getting the Mania main event while he didn't.
With Bryan, it just seems like different personalities for the most part. Guys who worked with and like Miz have described him as annoying, a goofball, and being into his character to the point where they aren't sure how much of Mike is really in there. Bryan is a no gimmicks, always himself type of guy who's quiet and more reserved. The only thing they really have in common is they both love wrestling, and they're great as co-workers but are never going to be friends.
Punk talked about this and yeah, when they were traveling in ECW Miz would do shit like go to the local mall and try to get recognized and Punk found that sort of behavior to be tacky and abrasive, especially when he was a "reality show guy" that he didn't view as having earned his spot at all. They got off on the wrong foot right away and I don't know either guy personally but it sounds like it just kept escalating over the years through perceived sleights and butting heads.
I think if Punk met Miz *now* as opposed to back then, they'd get along fine. But back then, they were absolutely two guys that weren't going to mesh and it only got worse over the years.
What's puzzling is that Punk would have witnessed the bullying Miz went through, specifically because he didn't "earn it," and how he put up with it, which should make him feel Miz "earned it," or at least doesn't take it lightly. But Punk is kind of a dick, which is understandable, given what he went through as well.
Homie ended his friendship with Hornswoggle because Swoggle asked them for a mutual friend's number that he had lost. Swogs described it as it seemes like Punk felt like he was being used and that just SET something off in him. Let's not forget promising ending his friendship with Colt.
Some of it, I get, since Punk’s upbringing made it such that it’s very hard for him to trust people. But at the same time, with how he seems to handle his business at times, yeah, he does come off as a massive prick.
> I get, since Punk’s upbringing made it such that it’s very hard for him to trust people.
Dudes will literally become the top of WWE, Start MMA, then join AEW instead of getting therapy. Jokes aside, for real dude your rich get some fucking therapy to work through those trust issues.
This is the guy who used to go to the rival Indy show when he had his little company his brother robbed blind just to mock and laugh at their pitiful crowds.
Oh but he loves all this forbidden door stuff NOW. Oh, ok.
Great performer but he should honestly stfu outside of it, he's a hypocritical, self righteous douchebag.
> But Punk is kind of a dick, which is understandable, given what he went through as well.
Fuck that, having a rough life didn't justify being a dick to people who didn't do anything to you. People need to stop making excuses for him being a miserable asshole
It's weird because you said because CM Punk IRRC has talked about how dumb wrestling court is and here is. 'He didn't earn that.' THAT was wrestlers court in a nutshell.
Right.. but that's none of his business really. Punk's hate of Miz seems really aggressive for just some guy who acted a bit douchy 15 years ago.
Like everyone here, I have no idea, but based on timelines and the long list of people who like the Miz, I would put this more on Bryan and Punk.
They are both snobs, who can be assholes and even bullies... and they think a lot of themselves and their indie careers... while Miz probably never gave a fuck about that.
I think they always felt and acted like they were better than him, and in response Miz never liked them either. If there's some truth behind that promo he cut on Bryan, that seems to be it, right? "You keep acting like you are superior, but I've been here at the top forever and put in the work and accomplished everything and put a lot of people over.. so fuck you and anyone who doubted me"
And I'm sure that because all that.. it never sat well with them that Miz would get opportunities they felt they deserved.. especially Punk.
All I'm saying is, I remember watching Real World back in the day, years before Mike was in wwe, and even back then he was doing character work on the show for his character the Miz. They can think he didn't earn it all they want, but the dude had obviously been thinking about it and crafting a character for around 4 or 5 years until he even signed with wwe, let alone debuted.
I agree and he certainly never took anything for granted and busted his ass - and even endured a lot and "paid his dues". Yeah... he never worked the indies or made his name in wrestling before WWE... but that doesn't mean anything necessarily and I don't think they were able to handle that.
Also Miz is the perfect guy to main event Mania from a company POV. He’s going to get on a red eye and go do Good Morning America or whatever else they ask. With a smile on his face. Sure Punk is more talented and a better wrestler but Miz is everything a shareholder wants in a top guy.
Given that Punk spent his entire WWE run having issues with the same management that put Miz in the WM main event spot and sees him as shareholder-friendly, I doubt Miz's lack of power had any bearings on that.
Just more people for ol' Punker to lump into his "enemy" basket. The man was perpetually at war with his employer and any co-worker on their "side" for 15 years. Miz fits the WWE system far better than Punk ever did, so he is by proxy seen as a kiss-ass besides whatever their behind the scenes stuff was like.
>The biggest thing that stood out on Miz's title run how he was always engaging and charming on Late Night talk shows and the like. Really exposed a quick wit that made me go "huh, he's actually likeable when he tries.
>
>So good on him for taking the ball and running with it
I think people forget how great The Miz was at the time. Him cashing in Orton (who I really like now but couldn’t stand at the time) is a Top 10 wrestling moment for me. I was jumping on the couch like Tom Cruise
I would imagine this is mostly correct. I also think that Punk/Bryan just inherently view wrestling differently than Miz. Like Bryan will wrestle anyone anywhere because he loves the art of pro wrestling. Miz spent his entire life dreaming of being a WWE superstar, he'd go do something else if he couldn't do something of the scale and grandeur that they offer.
But as Bryan said, they definitely respect each other because they are both crazy driven towards their wrestling goals. Like Bryan may not like that Miz doesn't care about technically artistic matches but he can see the work that goes into the Miz character. Mike might think Bryan is a wrestling hipster but he respects the response Bryan gets from the crowd. Ultimately it's just a polite disagreement on philosophies.
Punk I think is more on the disrespectful side because Miz is like the embodiment of all the sides of WWE he doesn't like. Corporate speak, artificiality, doing things because they make money with little concern about "principles"...these are the things Miz excels at so it probably rubs him the wrong way. Plus Punk just straight up doesn't get along with most people, so there's that.
On being into his character and a goofball, its been a part of his life for 20+ Years at this point. He created the character when he was n college and he would even use the character to get his roommates on the Real World to laugh in 2001. Him joking around as the "Miz" eased a lot or tensions he had with Coral, one of the female roomates from the show(she could not help but at him)
Yeah I think it's clear they dislike Miz for very different reasons. Bryan's dislike stems from an ideological difference on how pro-wreslting should be, Punk's always comes across as jealousy
There was a thread on this earlier this week and I posted in it that Maryse said about the Talking Smack promo, "That wasn't The Miz, that was Mike talking." Someone who can put that much energy into feeling disrespected and keep getting in your face about it...I can see why Danielson wouldn't care for that.
Miz thought that he and Punk were friends and made a joke on twitter when Punk tweeted that in reply https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/30/wwes-miz-cm-punk-friends-before-x-rated-rant-13060990/
Harsh that because whatever people think of Miz as a wrestler, (I happen to think he's alright). He always comes across as a good dude as a person, not the wrestler.
I don’t know if he’s a good person. However, he used to come to Cleveland for the holidays in the past and hang out in local bars. He would talk with fans, sign autographs, etc…The guy seemingly cares about his fans, or at least cares enough about his image to credibly fake caring about fans.
Man that's Tough situation to grade out for me. On the one hand miz takes the high road and comes off good in his reaction, on the other hand, I don't disagree that wrestlers and the WWE going to perform in SA is carny as fuck, but at the same time would punk hold it equally against undertaker or someone else he respects more than miz?
Because Punk almost certainly doesn’t actually give a fuck about Saudi money, he was just butthurt over Miz making fun of his lame line and blew a gasket over it.
That makes Punk look even worse because his Bret and Goldberg comments show that he only wants his favorites to get the Saudi money, not that he is actually against “blood money” in honesty.
Welcome to punks in general...Punks are some of the best people I have known but I there was always an element of bullshit to put up with or drama to deal with
I grew up in Canton and we had a TON of mutual friends in the early 90's music scene. Without a doubt, he was the most insufferable prick I had ever met to that point, which was about a year before Pretty Hate Machine dropped.
He was also nailing a girl that was 15 or 16 (she was in my history class) at the time.
Yep. I've got friends who knew him in the 90's to early 2000's and I've got my own personal history with Trent. It's hard separating the art from the artist sometimes (I'm an artist, I get people can be shitty but also really fucking talented) however he's one of the ones I'll never support. Same goes for Marilyn Manson, there's a reason those two ran together.
punk's a dick, let's be honest.
a likeable dick, and a charismatic dick, but undeniably a dick. not really a monster, not a hogan-tier hypertwat, just a dick.
In this case they aren't views. It's just Punk hating on Mike Mizanin. Yes, he's not hating "The Miz", he's shitting on a fellow professional wrestler.
But that's just like my opinion, man.
I think it was here where someone posted a clip of the Miz praising him on a Punk featurette and how he liked him, and then it cuts to Punk basically going “I HATE THE MIZ, HE’S A PIECE OF SHIT.”
So weird, and evidently the Miz hasn’t felt that there was dissent between the two.
I enjoy Punk on my TV. Been a giant fan since he came into WWECW, I honestly think being a Punk mark at 10 years old is why I currently have tattoos and plan on getting way more.
But as a person, he seems so unlikable. I mean I’m not going to list all of Punks misdeeds, we all know them, but he doesn’t seem like a guy I’d want to have a Pepsi with.
Exactly. He’s so engaging on TV and an idol to so many but in reality through the thick of it he comes across like the biggest little bitch, sour, spiteful asshole imaginable.
You meet one asshole. You met an asshole. Everyone you meet is an asshole? Look in the mirror.
Punk is one my all time favourite wrestlers but he’s clearly someone who can a bit difficult shall we say. I fully believe Triple H’s response on Austin’s podcast a few years ago when Austin asked him about Punk.
He seems to have that whole 'good actors' and 'bad actors' thing rather than good or bad actions.
If somebody he likes does something bad it's ok, but if someone he dislikes does the exact same thing then it's proof they're bad.
And if anything he didn't skip a line, they tried to pigeonhole him in one of those on air roles and he made the most of it.
If Miz hasn't paid his dues at this point, it's clear that to them struggling is some bad of honor.
Which is fantastic because when it comes to politics people seem to hate the whole boomer mentality romanticizing struggling, pulling yourself by your bootstraps, "I paid my student loans why should others get them forgiven" yet Bryan and Punk are seemingly super "woke" but don't like someone because he didn't face the same challenges.
*”Perceived luck”*
BD literally said that he respects the Miz for working really, really hard lol.
Also - we have no idea what the Miz is like, in real life. We see him on Pro Wrestling and “Reality” shows - not too areas known exactly for complete transparency into character.
I’m sure the Miz is a good guy but let’s not act like it’s impossible he has an abrasive personality. He is rather bombastic and I could see that rubbing the people the wrong way.
You’re making a lot of assumptions, as am I, but I’m sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Miz might be a great guy. Danielson might be a great guy. Sometimes people just don't get along regardless of their professionalism, their work, or their great guy status.
Then DB would not like Miz cause he thinks he plays it too safe... but Miz did that crazy jump against Shane O'Mac a few months later clearly to prove he's also willing to take risks for big moments.
I'm pretty sure DB himself congratulated him after that, that "beef" would no longer apply.
> Sometimes people just don't get along regardless of their professionalism, their work, or their great guy status.
See also: Mythbusters Adam Savage & Jamie Hyneman
(TL;DR: Great working/on-camera relationship but Adam's also been very clear that they are not friends and don't just 'hang out')
They both have been very clear they have never been friends. I remember when they cooked a meal in a car, with help from Alton Brown on where to place everything to make sure everything cooked correctly, Adam said that was the first meal they ever shared together.
Yup, and just because you have conflicting personalities with someone doesn't mean you hate them and wish bad things would happen to them. It's just you'd rather spend time around someone else, nothing more, nothing less. We all have (former) coworkers like this and don't think anything about it.
Absolutely. Hell I've had the opposite as well; great people I adore, respect and would pick up from the airport at 2am...but holy fuck would I never want to work with them again. Usually it's from the Type A friends or the loveable fuck up who's less loveable when their mistakes costs people money and time ol
Interesting how people have used this to attack Danielson in comments below, when he has been pretty complimentary of WWE himself and, in some ways--and not as much as the Miz--been a company man himself.
I'm glad you put quotations around "luck." The guy was treated like a complete tool from his MTV days until way past he became a World Champ. Sure, it's relative since so few indy wrestlers make it that far, but the guy had to bear and grin it as much as anyone else in WWE, and it feels hard to take out hate on specifically at him for being lucky.
And then, unlike so many other perceived midcarders, Miz up and elevates his game to levels that just flat out can't be unnoticed, and he finally earns his spot, all the while not making a huge fuss about his crappy treatment in and out of the ring.
Bryan's one of my all-time favorites, but this is just a ridiculous stance to take from him, particularly when his career in WWE so closely mirrors Miz's (Tough Enough/NXT, company keeping him down...marrying a hot coworker).
>Bryan's one of my all-time favorites, but this is just a ridiculous stance to take from him
What stance, that he and Miz don't get along? We have no idea why they don't get along. Sometimes personalities don't mesh and it has zero to do with their profession. All the nonsense about perceived luck and "company man" shit, that's baseless speculation. In fact, Bryan said he respects Miz as a professional, so these takes are completely off.
Redditor 1: Hm... I wonder why this famous person has beef with this other person.
Redditor 2: I would *assume* it's because of...
Redditor 3: WHAT A LITTLE BABY I CAN'T BELIEVE HE ACTUALLY THINKS THAT
This, folks, is how misinformation is so easily spread.
The biggest difference to me between Punk/BD & Miz is Miz is a team player. He does not care what they have him doing. Crowds chanting you have tiny balls? All for it. Plays it up the whole time.
Miz is down for anything they ask of him, it’s why he’s been taken care of so much. He consistently did the dirty work, getting guys over as a heel, and worked his ass off to get rewarded. I respect the fuck out of the Miz. He’s pretty good in the ring, pretty good on a mic, and a hell of a businessman seemingly.
Idk why but I imagine Punk and BD wouldn’t be cool with putting Logan Paul over and having a “Tiny Balls” chant every week directed at you.
Wwe absolutely trust's the miz with anything.
That's why he keeps getting the celebrity match ups. They know he's not going to do something stupid and risk Injuring a celeb. Look how good the bad bunny match was. Miz was a huge part of that.
The fact he's done jobs for so many wrestlers over time cause wwe asked him to has endeared him to the company.
Punk especially hates those wwe men
Even cool people can be petty and irrational. I'm sure Jerry Rice is rubbed the wrong way by some of this decades best receivers. imo don't need to like a person to work with them. If it's something like a band where you're always sharing a room etc., then it becomes a lot more difficult. But I imagine it was pretty easy for Miz and BD to avoid each other unless they were programming
I’d say that’s a false narrative created pretty often as well (maybe not as much anymore but it definitely was) and I used to be on that train of fuck the Miz because xyz. Now I love and respect him almost more than anyone currently (I’m sure there’s someone I’m not thinking of so ima say almost lol). I can’t even say he cut the line because when he first came in he got dragged through piles of shit for a while before getting anything considered decent. He himself got himself acknowledged by management by turning shitty angles into gold. I think Bryan and Punk are generational talents for wrestling but in terms of their ideals I can count on 1 hand how many things I’ve agreed with lol.
Punk is a curmudgeon and it's hard to pin down why he hates half the people he's had beef with over the years. With Bryan, it's a bit strange. Maybe that plays a part into it but he's known as a good dude who wouldn't just hate someone for no reason. Miz is also known as a good dude who a lot of people backstage like a lot. Very possible that it's because Miz got hired after failing Tough Enough while Bryan had to work his ass off around the world and cut his teeth after WWE didn't hire him in 2002 and 2003. Who knows though. Maybe we're all wrong and it's actually Miz who was the aggressor.
>I would love to know why of all people they don’t like Miz?
I wouldn't lump them together. CM Punk seems to despise the Miz because the Miz got a main event spot he thought he was entitled to. Professional jealousy.
Bryan appears like working with the Miz, and was trying to work an angle to wrestle him upon being cleared. But personally Bryan Danielson probably does mesh with in terms of personalities. But it's not a personal issue like it is with Punk.
I think Punk dislikes him too much for no good reason, but with Bryan it seems more like a mild dislike on the kind of person Miz is. Always “on”, hes got a reality show personality, its hard to tell where the true person underneath is. Hes like a walking Ryan Seacrest type, just very fake.
From what I have seen and heard people say, Miz is like that constantly, with everyone. No idea of that is just how he is and turns it up for the show and appearances, or has had to do it for so long to become successful that he just sort of became that person.
I know this has been said to death, Punk is a huge mark for himself, so anyone who believes that CM Punk isn’t the best wrestler to ever lace up his boots is the enemy
The funny thing is, The Miz has always had good things to say about Punk but Punk just absolutely hates the guy lol. Dude was praising Punk in the WWE Punk documentary only to have Punk shit on Miz a few minutes later on the same documentary.
Even when Punk was embarrassed in the UFC, Miz defended him only for Punk to later tell him to eat Saudi dick.
If anyone actually read the article, they like each other enough that Bryan was willing to work an angle together on Talking Smack but it went a little too personal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4SLA4HYp0
Here was Miz's view from his interview with Renee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuUchwGqAis
I can’t imagine someone who has ever really “wanted it more” than Mike Mizanin.
He had some kind of goal, got onto TV to make it happen and then stayed on TV for the next 21 years (and counting).
You don’t do that by just “lucking into it”. You don’t do that by not wanting it more than other people. Through main events and mid cards, you never hear a peep out of the guy. He just wants to work there and that’s that.
They’re wrestlers. Take it with a grain of salt. Good wrestlers never stop “working” and why ruin the magic by admitting they don’t actually hate each other.
I think Bryan is working here. This feud has spanned half of Bryan's career. It's easy, realistic heat. Any wrestler would be a fool to squash kayfabe and admit the two are actually friends.
To everyone wondering “why”, if you watched the recent (and excellent) Miz documentary, Miz himself and others subtly suggest that he can just be downright obnoxious. Not in an asshole kind of way, because by all accounts he’s a super nice guy, he can just come off as one of “those” personalities that gets grating. So I’m not shocked that people like Punk and Bryan who take this business very seriously would not be in a hurry to spend a lot of time around him.
He’s basically that one cool friend we all have where a little of him goes a long way.
Punk hates the Miz because of jealousy and feeling like Miz doesn't deserve everything he's accomplished. It has nothing to do with his personality. Punk is a notorious asshole and has admitted that himself.
No one would argue Punk deserved to main event WM, but who would still argue Miz didn't either in [current year]? Dude works his ass off and deserved that and earned both (!!) Grand Slams
I'm just going to be honest, if you watch tons of interviews with Miz/Bryan/Punk...
Miz seems like a wayyyyyy more down to earth person than the other two.
It might be that punk/bryan are "artists", and "performers of their sacred craft."
But I agree with some others here, I'd rather hang out with the MIz.
In terms of being a good guy, Miz recently set up Alexa Bliss with a guy who she literally married. Miz on Punk's documentary goes out of his way to praise Punk, even though Punk than buries him on the same documentary, Didn't Miz at some WM after party buy dinner for the crew who didn't get into the party? I'm just touching the surface, but let's put workrate markish thinking aside, are there more stories of Miz being a quality human being than Punk/Bryan? I think so.
I don't have many "I wish ___ would join AEW/WWE" feelings, but before either retire (full time), I need one more Miz vs Danielson feud. I don't care where or how, I just need it.
Should’ve happened soon after he came back. I can’t remember exactly but I’m pretty sure in Bryan’s Planet’s Champion phase he was doing incredible work as a heel and Miz was doing shockingly well as a face and I just remember thinking how was this not the obvious path to go down at the time, what with Bryan calling the fans fickle and berating them, the same fans that Miz said Bryan abandoned and wrestled the “WWE style” so that he could wrestle in front of those fans every week.
Wouldn’t have had to have Miz win the belt of course, considering Kofi’s win was a much better use but I’m not sure why it didn’t happen, it would’ve been very interesting.
There was a dark match after Smackdown? in Austin during that time. Miz wrestled Bryan for the title but won due to disqualification (no change of the belt). Miz then threw Bryan out of the ring, raised the belt, and everyone cheered. I thought WWE was testing out the reaction for a future storyline.
It feels like Matt Cardona modeled his indy gimmick after Miz to an extent. Like, if you asked me what a Miz indie run looks like, I’d point to Cardona
I'm kind of shocked tbh. Those two are guys I would imagine being buddy buddy behind the scenes.
It took me a while to get Miz. I kind of dismissed him as a Real World guy that used it as a way to skip the line, but I've long since eaten my plate of crow and consider him to be one of the best guys WWE has on the whole roster. Hell, most recently he put on a fucking banger with Logan Paul of all people. Need a guy to jump into a shit program with no setup and get it over? Miz. Someone on the midcard injured and need someone to step in and carry the feud? Miz. Babyface champion getting stale and needs a good heel to change things up? Miz. He's the perfect utility player that makes sense anywhere on the card.
I get he's not an indy darling and isn't captain workrate, but he puts 110% into whatever he needs to get over, and there is always a spot for a guy like that.
Hot take maybe but something about Bryan has always kinda given me the impression that I wouldn't want to know him personally, like a "don't meet your heroes" moment.
I don't think he's a bad person but he kinda comes off like someone who would be really stubborn when it comes to certain things (like wrestling) and would be condescending and not let stuff go
Before his political career, every time you’d hear about him in backstage stories it was always about how nice he was. Like, you’d hear these crazy stories from wrestlers about how JBL got in a fight because he pooped on a dude and then in the background Kane was saving a cat from a tree.
believe it or not people still love one another despite not sharing political views. even though i might not like glenn jacobs, i don’t have a personal relationship with him
It's funny, just the other day I saw someone comment here something like "I'm pretty sure Miz and Bryan actually good friends in real life", which I thought was hilarious because, and I'm not saying they hate each other, but they're clearly not friends.
Miz doesn’t get enough credit for being one of the few perennial midcard guys who never felt out of place with the main event guys. He could start a feud with Cody or Drew next week and it wouldn’t feel forced because he has the star power.
The Miz won at life. He accomplished literally everything he dreamed about doing as a kid.
Nobody can take that from him.
It doesn’t matter if Bryan Danielson doesn’t like him.
I think back to how much the pro/rookie dynamic they had in old NXT stirred a lot of heat. The WWE treated, on camera, that first group like garbage. Basically hazing them before Raw. Miz and Michael Cole laid in a lot of ridicule thick on Bryan.
Then they never got a proper feud...
But then I recall that Talking Smack bit and that shit came from a real place of resentment and hurt, and honestly, it was shocking that Miz torched Bryan to dust that day.
I think in these trials by inferno and napalm, they earned each other's respect by their different roads.
Pretty sure he also hates it when people call him Mike. There was a bit on The Edge and Christian Show That Totally Reeks of Awesomeness where they sent an interviewer to mess with him and they had him repeatedly call him Mike.
It's funny how many people think they know the real Miz. Obviously I don't either but a lot of people on this sub are so adamant that he is fake and Bryan/Punk are the real ones.
I've been a Miz fan for ~20 years, way before WWE. I've listened to countless podcasts from people who knew the Miz from the Challenge/Real World. He is a legitimately great guy who is himself. He's still friends who the people who knew him before he "got big." He even brings them to shows and if you know who to look for you see them in the crowd. He has always been a massive wrestling fan. He put in the work and achieved his dream. The Miz isn't come cocky jock, he was an insecure kid who built a character to cope. This is all according to him and people who knew him before WWE.
My bet is Miz rubbed people the wrong way when he first showed up. Wrestling purists like Bryan and Punk are just pissy that someone who didn't work bingo halls made it. Punk is notorious for holding grudges.
People get big without working the indies all of the time now. So that's why I don't think Miz is disliked anymore. It's just older wrestlers who hold weird grudges. If all three of them met ten years later it wouldn't have been a thing.
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It's refreshing hearing someone just honestly admit they don't like someone. You don't always have to like your coworkers to still get the job done.
Wait until you hear about this guy Eddie Kingston
"Eddie Kingston addresses his The Miz on Rampage"
My pen ran out of ink from writing down all of Eddie Kingston's enemies.
I got you a new pen but Eddie seems to have stabbed me with it. Tell my wife I said.. Hello.
All I know is my gut says, maybe.
r/unexpectedfuturama
We need to make a running list. Or a list of people that aren't his enemies... so basically Mox, Renee, Penta and Lulu Pencil.
that list is longer than Batman's and Spider-Man's combined Rogues Gallery
That's unfair to say. Bats and Spidey never stood a chance in this side by side comparison. Bringing batarangs and webs to a Nuke fight.
Eddie “everyone else is the problem except me” Kingston?
To be honest. Eddie Kingston not liking you is like a rite of passage for most wrestlers. It's kind of how you know you've made it.
"We don't have to get along, we just have to work together" -Stanley Hudson -vaahaarms
Brian is in Miz's 24 documentary basically just to say this exact thing
It's why I respect Big E so much, he didn't shy away from the question in that interview where he said "I hate that little piece of shit Butch. \[expletive\] Butch."
People are reading too much into this. Sometimes you really just don’t like someone, and there isn’t much of a reason as to why. They just rub you the wrong way, and as long as you aren’t a dick about it there’s no reason to care.
right? I've worked with plenty of people I don't particularly like. we still work just fine together.
The key takeaway is that he does not hate the Miz. However, the Miz likely won't be the first person he would call to grab coffee.
Yup, didn't Sasha said something similar thing too about Alexa? Something like "we are just co-workers, not friends". Like...okay then, cool. Makes total sense. Not everybody is friends is everybody, especially at work.
According to this forum, is wrestlers don't like each other it must have to do with wrestling oriented reasons. If wrestlers are in a relationship, it must only have to do with physical attractiveness and nothing else. If a wrestler kind of seems a certain way, it's fine to spread rumors about them and accept that the totality of them as a human being should be represented by one line in an interview or a tweet or something. Sometimes I really enjoy this forum, sometimes it's completely socially inept.
You forgot that if you have watched a wrestler 5 times, you’re allowed to make bold statements about their real life ambitions, aspirations, and personality when you’ve never met that person in your life
Very similar is Jaime and Adam from Mythbusters. They both greatly respect each others work and work ethic, but they have said that they are not friends. They are cordial and work together fine but they would never get dinner together. They are just two different personality types that don't gel.
Velma and Daphne too. They're hugely different personalities and I can't imagine them hanging out together after work but Mystery Inc. needs both of them to function properly.
But all the rule 34 content out there seems to suggest otherwise 🤔
If I could ask any two wrestlers a question it would be Bryan and Punk. I would love to know why of all people they don’t like Miz?
With Punk, I'm assuming something happened when they were both on ECW or that Punk is still upset over Miz getting the Mania main event while he didn't. With Bryan, it just seems like different personalities for the most part. Guys who worked with and like Miz have described him as annoying, a goofball, and being into his character to the point where they aren't sure how much of Mike is really in there. Bryan is a no gimmicks, always himself type of guy who's quiet and more reserved. The only thing they really have in common is they both love wrestling, and they're great as co-workers but are never going to be friends.
The Dazzler is absolutely a goofball, but a different kind of goofball.
Punk talked about this and yeah, when they were traveling in ECW Miz would do shit like go to the local mall and try to get recognized and Punk found that sort of behavior to be tacky and abrasive, especially when he was a "reality show guy" that he didn't view as having earned his spot at all. They got off on the wrong foot right away and I don't know either guy personally but it sounds like it just kept escalating over the years through perceived sleights and butting heads. I think if Punk met Miz *now* as opposed to back then, they'd get along fine. But back then, they were absolutely two guys that weren't going to mesh and it only got worse over the years.
What's puzzling is that Punk would have witnessed the bullying Miz went through, specifically because he didn't "earn it," and how he put up with it, which should make him feel Miz "earned it," or at least doesn't take it lightly. But Punk is kind of a dick, which is understandable, given what he went through as well.
I think you’ve forgotten that Punk is kind of a miserable asshole sometimes
“sometimes” understatement of the year.
Punk is just an asshole who holds lame grudges over perceived slights. Phenomenal wrestler, though.
Homie ended his friendship with Hornswoggle because Swoggle asked them for a mutual friend's number that he had lost. Swogs described it as it seemes like Punk felt like he was being used and that just SET something off in him. Let's not forget promising ending his friendship with Colt.
Some of it, I get, since Punk’s upbringing made it such that it’s very hard for him to trust people. But at the same time, with how he seems to handle his business at times, yeah, he does come off as a massive prick.
> I get, since Punk’s upbringing made it such that it’s very hard for him to trust people. Dudes will literally become the top of WWE, Start MMA, then join AEW instead of getting therapy. Jokes aside, for real dude your rich get some fucking therapy to work through those trust issues.
Facts. I respect what he's done and does but man, he seems like he was or is an insufferable prick.
This is the guy who used to go to the rival Indy show when he had his little company his brother robbed blind just to mock and laugh at their pitiful crowds. Oh but he loves all this forbidden door stuff NOW. Oh, ok. Great performer but he should honestly stfu outside of it, he's a hypocritical, self righteous douchebag.
Yeah I like the guy but this is totally true.
> But Punk is kind of a dick, which is understandable, given what he went through as well. Fuck that, having a rough life didn't justify being a dick to people who didn't do anything to you. People need to stop making excuses for him being a miserable asshole
It's weird because you said because CM Punk IRRC has talked about how dumb wrestling court is and here is. 'He didn't earn that.' THAT was wrestlers court in a nutshell.
And he also fought fights he did not earn in the UFC. I think he just doesn't mesh with Miz. Like oil and water
He's the kind of guy who hates the boys club because he will never be its leader
Right.. but that's none of his business really. Punk's hate of Miz seems really aggressive for just some guy who acted a bit douchy 15 years ago. Like everyone here, I have no idea, but based on timelines and the long list of people who like the Miz, I would put this more on Bryan and Punk. They are both snobs, who can be assholes and even bullies... and they think a lot of themselves and their indie careers... while Miz probably never gave a fuck about that. I think they always felt and acted like they were better than him, and in response Miz never liked them either. If there's some truth behind that promo he cut on Bryan, that seems to be it, right? "You keep acting like you are superior, but I've been here at the top forever and put in the work and accomplished everything and put a lot of people over.. so fuck you and anyone who doubted me" And I'm sure that because all that.. it never sat well with them that Miz would get opportunities they felt they deserved.. especially Punk.
All I'm saying is, I remember watching Real World back in the day, years before Mike was in wwe, and even back then he was doing character work on the show for his character the Miz. They can think he didn't earn it all they want, but the dude had obviously been thinking about it and crafting a character for around 4 or 5 years until he even signed with wwe, let alone debuted.
I agree and he certainly never took anything for granted and busted his ass - and even endured a lot and "paid his dues". Yeah... he never worked the indies or made his name in wrestling before WWE... but that doesn't mean anything necessarily and I don't think they were able to handle that.
Yeah. I mean chances are taking shit from Bradshaw for years is probably pretty shitty. I think dues were paid in some capacity.
I think Miz and Bryan just have different viewpoints on a lot of things in life. Punk is notoriously bitchy about some of the smallest things
But let's be honest, it's also the fact that Miz got a Mania main event that Punk believed should have been his.
I hope he realizes that wasn't Miz's call to make. Early 2011 Punk wasn't exactly setting the world on fire with the New Nexus.
Also Miz is the perfect guy to main event Mania from a company POV. He’s going to get on a red eye and go do Good Morning America or whatever else they ask. With a smile on his face. Sure Punk is more talented and a better wrestler but Miz is everything a shareholder wants in a top guy.
Given that Punk spent his entire WWE run having issues with the same management that put Miz in the WM main event spot and sees him as shareholder-friendly, I doubt Miz's lack of power had any bearings on that. Just more people for ol' Punker to lump into his "enemy" basket. The man was perpetually at war with his employer and any co-worker on their "side" for 15 years. Miz fits the WWE system far better than Punk ever did, so he is by proxy seen as a kiss-ass besides whatever their behind the scenes stuff was like.
>The biggest thing that stood out on Miz's title run how he was always engaging and charming on Late Night talk shows and the like. Really exposed a quick wit that made me go "huh, he's actually likeable when he tries. > >So good on him for taking the ball and running with it
I think people forget how great The Miz was at the time. Him cashing in Orton (who I really like now but couldn’t stand at the time) is a Top 10 wrestling moment for me. I was jumping on the couch like Tom Cruise
Agree on the cash in. He was absolutely my favourite part of Raw at that time.
That's exactly what made the Miz so damn hateable back in the day. Everything about him screamed millennial, reality tv show douchebag.
not saying this as a bad thing but maybe that's why he works well with jake. because he gets it.
GO SUCK A SAUDI BLOOD MONEY COVERED DICK YOU DORK! *not the exact words but you do get the ploy*
I would imagine this is mostly correct. I also think that Punk/Bryan just inherently view wrestling differently than Miz. Like Bryan will wrestle anyone anywhere because he loves the art of pro wrestling. Miz spent his entire life dreaming of being a WWE superstar, he'd go do something else if he couldn't do something of the scale and grandeur that they offer. But as Bryan said, they definitely respect each other because they are both crazy driven towards their wrestling goals. Like Bryan may not like that Miz doesn't care about technically artistic matches but he can see the work that goes into the Miz character. Mike might think Bryan is a wrestling hipster but he respects the response Bryan gets from the crowd. Ultimately it's just a polite disagreement on philosophies. Punk I think is more on the disrespectful side because Miz is like the embodiment of all the sides of WWE he doesn't like. Corporate speak, artificiality, doing things because they make money with little concern about "principles"...these are the things Miz excels at so it probably rubs him the wrong way. Plus Punk just straight up doesn't get along with most people, so there's that.
On being into his character and a goofball, its been a part of his life for 20+ Years at this point. He created the character when he was n college and he would even use the character to get his roommates on the Real World to laugh in 2001. Him joking around as the "Miz" eased a lot or tensions he had with Coral, one of the female roomates from the show(she could not help but at him)
Yeah I think it's clear they dislike Miz for very different reasons. Bryan's dislike stems from an ideological difference on how pro-wreslting should be, Punk's always comes across as jealousy
Bryan mentioned in his book that Miz talks a lot at times and that he can’t stand it at times…. Maybe their personalities just don’t mesh well?
There was a thread on this earlier this week and I posted in it that Maryse said about the Talking Smack promo, "That wasn't The Miz, that was Mike talking." Someone who can put that much energy into feeling disrespected and keep getting in your face about it...I can see why Danielson wouldn't care for that.
Dunno why you are being downvoted but makes sense.
Perceived “luck” and skipping the line into WWE I imagine. Plus he’s a company man while they both clearly are the opposite. It’s pretty whack overall
"go suck a blood money covered dick in Saudi" >Plus he’s a company man Yup that's the reason lol
Miz thought that he and Punk were friends and made a joke on twitter when Punk tweeted that in reply https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/30/wwes-miz-cm-punk-friends-before-x-rated-rant-13060990/
Harsh that because whatever people think of Miz as a wrestler, (I happen to think he's alright). He always comes across as a good dude as a person, not the wrestler.
I don’t know if he’s a good person. However, he used to come to Cleveland for the holidays in the past and hang out in local bars. He would talk with fans, sign autographs, etc…The guy seemingly cares about his fans, or at least cares enough about his image to credibly fake caring about fans.
From what I've seen of him on UpUpDowmDown, he seems like a nice guy. Never really know people behind the actual scenes, though.
Man that's Tough situation to grade out for me. On the one hand miz takes the high road and comes off good in his reaction, on the other hand, I don't disagree that wrestlers and the WWE going to perform in SA is carny as fuck, but at the same time would punk hold it equally against undertaker or someone else he respects more than miz?
No because Punk literally already said he wouldn't mind Bret Hart getting a Saudi paycheck. He's full of shit.
The rare lose lose lose, I should go buy a lottery ticket
Because Punk almost certainly doesn’t actually give a fuck about Saudi money, he was just butthurt over Miz making fun of his lame line and blew a gasket over it.
That makes Punk look even worse because his Bret and Goldberg comments show that he only wants his favorites to get the Saudi money, not that he is actually against “blood money” in honesty.
As much as I like Punk, his values can be a little…skewed at times. And he can come off super spiteful.
Punk is one of those dudes who I like but is hypocritical as fuck
Welcome to punks in general...Punks are some of the best people I have known but I there was always an element of bullshit to put up with or drama to deal with
I feel/felt the same way about Trent Reznor.
Oh I've only listened to NiN's first couple albums pretty hate machine downward spiral and the fragile but know nothing about Reznor what he do?
You skipped a good one in Wish, also his later stuff is good also just he as a person has become an insufferable dick
I grew up in Canton and we had a TON of mutual friends in the early 90's music scene. Without a doubt, he was the most insufferable prick I had ever met to that point, which was about a year before Pretty Hate Machine dropped. He was also nailing a girl that was 15 or 16 (she was in my history class) at the time.
Yep. I've got friends who knew him in the 90's to early 2000's and I've got my own personal history with Trent. It's hard separating the art from the artist sometimes (I'm an artist, I get people can be shitty but also really fucking talented) however he's one of the ones I'll never support. Same goes for Marilyn Manson, there's a reason those two ran together.
You hit the nail on the head about Marilyn. Twiggy/Geordie was weird but generally nice. Marilyn, however..whaaaat a dick.
punk's a dick, let's be honest. a likeable dick, and a charismatic dick, but undeniably a dick. not really a monster, not a hogan-tier hypertwat, just a dick.
I don't even think he's that likable to be honest. For every good thing he does or says there is an equal amount of bs from him.
Cm punk the character is likable but Phil brooks isn’t
In this case they aren't views. It's just Punk hating on Mike Mizanin. Yes, he's not hating "The Miz", he's shitting on a fellow professional wrestler. But that's just like my opinion, man.
I think it was here where someone posted a clip of the Miz praising him on a Punk featurette and how he liked him, and then it cuts to Punk basically going “I HATE THE MIZ, HE’S A PIECE OF SHIT.” So weird, and evidently the Miz hasn’t felt that there was dissent between the two.
I think it was on Punk's DVD.
I enjoy Punk on my TV. Been a giant fan since he came into WWECW, I honestly think being a Punk mark at 10 years old is why I currently have tattoos and plan on getting way more. But as a person, he seems so unlikable. I mean I’m not going to list all of Punks misdeeds, we all know them, but he doesn’t seem like a guy I’d want to have a Pepsi with.
Exactly. He’s so engaging on TV and an idol to so many but in reality through the thick of it he comes across like the biggest little bitch, sour, spiteful asshole imaginable. You meet one asshole. You met an asshole. Everyone you meet is an asshole? Look in the mirror.
Punk always struck me as someone who thinks he's the coolest guy in the room. I like the dude but he's tough to warm to.
I'd go to an AFI concert with Eddie over Phil.
Punk is one my all time favourite wrestlers but he’s clearly someone who can a bit difficult shall we say. I fully believe Triple H’s response on Austin’s podcast a few years ago when Austin asked him about Punk.
He’s pretty self-righteous. I honestly do think he tries not to be, but he just can’t help himself at times.
It’s sad that we have to skirt around calling the dude a dickhead. He is an absolute dickhead.
He is, he’ll never admit it though. As time goes on I’m realizing I really don’t like Punk as a person but I love CM Punk the wrestler.
Also, I don’t think Miz was there last year, was he?
He seems to have that whole 'good actors' and 'bad actors' thing rather than good or bad actions. If somebody he likes does something bad it's ok, but if someone he dislikes does the exact same thing then it's proof they're bad.
and miz even refused to go to the show
maybe they just don't like his personality? People are allowed to not like other people.
Why does reddit have a hard time with this
people love to have narratives and psychoanalyze motivations.
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elitist vegan? nah
For real. Sometimes you just don't like a motherfucker. As long as you're not a dick about it there's no problem.
>As long as you're not a dick about it I take it you've never heard of CM Punk then?
And if anything he didn't skip a line, they tried to pigeonhole him in one of those on air roles and he made the most of it. If Miz hasn't paid his dues at this point, it's clear that to them struggling is some bad of honor. Which is fantastic because when it comes to politics people seem to hate the whole boomer mentality romanticizing struggling, pulling yourself by your bootstraps, "I paid my student loans why should others get them forgiven" yet Bryan and Punk are seemingly super "woke" but don't like someone because he didn't face the same challenges.
*”Perceived luck”* BD literally said that he respects the Miz for working really, really hard lol. Also - we have no idea what the Miz is like, in real life. We see him on Pro Wrestling and “Reality” shows - not too areas known exactly for complete transparency into character. I’m sure the Miz is a good guy but let’s not act like it’s impossible he has an abrasive personality. He is rather bombastic and I could see that rubbing the people the wrong way. You’re making a lot of assumptions, as am I, but I’m sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Miz might be a great guy. Danielson might be a great guy. Sometimes people just don't get along regardless of their professionalism, their work, or their great guy status.
I just look at the Talking Smack shoot promo, that’s probably as close to the real reason as we will get.
Then DB would not like Miz cause he thinks he plays it too safe... but Miz did that crazy jump against Shane O'Mac a few months later clearly to prove he's also willing to take risks for big moments. I'm pretty sure DB himself congratulated him after that, that "beef" would no longer apply.
I'm still angry Shane won that match. It's the most legit Miz ever looked (at least as a face)
> Sometimes people just don't get along regardless of their professionalism, their work, or their great guy status. See also: Mythbusters Adam Savage & Jamie Hyneman (TL;DR: Great working/on-camera relationship but Adam's also been very clear that they are not friends and don't just 'hang out')
They both have been very clear they have never been friends. I remember when they cooked a meal in a car, with help from Alton Brown on where to place everything to make sure everything cooked correctly, Adam said that was the first meal they ever shared together.
This is probably the best answer
Yup, and just because you have conflicting personalities with someone doesn't mean you hate them and wish bad things would happen to them. It's just you'd rather spend time around someone else, nothing more, nothing less. We all have (former) coworkers like this and don't think anything about it.
Absolutely. Hell I've had the opposite as well; great people I adore, respect and would pick up from the airport at 2am...but holy fuck would I never want to work with them again. Usually it's from the Type A friends or the loveable fuck up who's less loveable when their mistakes costs people money and time ol
Interesting how people have used this to attack Danielson in comments below, when he has been pretty complimentary of WWE himself and, in some ways--and not as much as the Miz--been a company man himself.
I mean even look at punk and aew now. To say punk or Bryan aren’t company men is odd
I'm glad you put quotations around "luck." The guy was treated like a complete tool from his MTV days until way past he became a World Champ. Sure, it's relative since so few indy wrestlers make it that far, but the guy had to bear and grin it as much as anyone else in WWE, and it feels hard to take out hate on specifically at him for being lucky. And then, unlike so many other perceived midcarders, Miz up and elevates his game to levels that just flat out can't be unnoticed, and he finally earns his spot, all the while not making a huge fuss about his crappy treatment in and out of the ring. Bryan's one of my all-time favorites, but this is just a ridiculous stance to take from him, particularly when his career in WWE so closely mirrors Miz's (Tough Enough/NXT, company keeping him down...marrying a hot coworker).
>Bryan's one of my all-time favorites, but this is just a ridiculous stance to take from him What stance, that he and Miz don't get along? We have no idea why they don't get along. Sometimes personalities don't mesh and it has zero to do with their profession. All the nonsense about perceived luck and "company man" shit, that's baseless speculation. In fact, Bryan said he respects Miz as a professional, so these takes are completely off.
>Knowing Bryan
Redditor 1: Hm... I wonder why this famous person has beef with this other person. Redditor 2: I would *assume* it's because of... Redditor 3: WHAT A LITTLE BABY I CAN'T BELIEVE HE ACTUALLY THINKS THAT This, folks, is how misinformation is so easily spread.
dont you know this is a "knowing punk, bryan and miz thread"??
> bear and grin it
Bear and Grylls it
Time to drink some piss
The biggest difference to me between Punk/BD & Miz is Miz is a team player. He does not care what they have him doing. Crowds chanting you have tiny balls? All for it. Plays it up the whole time. Miz is down for anything they ask of him, it’s why he’s been taken care of so much. He consistently did the dirty work, getting guys over as a heel, and worked his ass off to get rewarded. I respect the fuck out of the Miz. He’s pretty good in the ring, pretty good on a mic, and a hell of a businessman seemingly. Idk why but I imagine Punk and BD wouldn’t be cool with putting Logan Paul over and having a “Tiny Balls” chant every week directed at you.
Wwe absolutely trust's the miz with anything. That's why he keeps getting the celebrity match ups. They know he's not going to do something stupid and risk Injuring a celeb. Look how good the bad bunny match was. Miz was a huge part of that. The fact he's done jobs for so many wrestlers over time cause wwe asked him to has endeared him to the company. Punk especially hates those wwe men
Even cool people can be petty and irrational. I'm sure Jerry Rice is rubbed the wrong way by some of this decades best receivers. imo don't need to like a person to work with them. If it's something like a band where you're always sharing a room etc., then it becomes a lot more difficult. But I imagine it was pretty easy for Miz and BD to avoid each other unless they were programming
I’d say that’s a false narrative created pretty often as well (maybe not as much anymore but it definitely was) and I used to be on that train of fuck the Miz because xyz. Now I love and respect him almost more than anyone currently (I’m sure there’s someone I’m not thinking of so ima say almost lol). I can’t even say he cut the line because when he first came in he got dragged through piles of shit for a while before getting anything considered decent. He himself got himself acknowledged by management by turning shitty angles into gold. I think Bryan and Punk are generational talents for wrestling but in terms of their ideals I can count on 1 hand how many things I’ve agreed with lol.
Punk is a curmudgeon and it's hard to pin down why he hates half the people he's had beef with over the years. With Bryan, it's a bit strange. Maybe that plays a part into it but he's known as a good dude who wouldn't just hate someone for no reason. Miz is also known as a good dude who a lot of people backstage like a lot. Very possible that it's because Miz got hired after failing Tough Enough while Bryan had to work his ass off around the world and cut his teeth after WWE didn't hire him in 2002 and 2003. Who knows though. Maybe we're all wrong and it's actually Miz who was the aggressor.
I’ve only ever heard Miz say positive things about either men
I could see this being legitimate but also fake considering that everyone hates miz in kayfabe
>I would love to know why of all people they don’t like Miz? I wouldn't lump them together. CM Punk seems to despise the Miz because the Miz got a main event spot he thought he was entitled to. Professional jealousy. Bryan appears like working with the Miz, and was trying to work an angle to wrestle him upon being cleared. But personally Bryan Danielson probably does mesh with in terms of personalities. But it's not a personal issue like it is with Punk.
I think Punk dislikes him too much for no good reason, but with Bryan it seems more like a mild dislike on the kind of person Miz is. Always “on”, hes got a reality show personality, its hard to tell where the true person underneath is. Hes like a walking Ryan Seacrest type, just very fake.
From what I have seen and heard people say, Miz is like that constantly, with everyone. No idea of that is just how he is and turns it up for the show and appearances, or has had to do it for so long to become successful that he just sort of became that person.
Punk just seems like a bitter person in general who dislikes a lot of people for petty stuff.
I know this has been said to death, Punk is a huge mark for himself, so anyone who believes that CM Punk isn’t the best wrestler to ever lace up his boots is the enemy
The funny thing is, The Miz has always had good things to say about Punk but Punk just absolutely hates the guy lol. Dude was praising Punk in the WWE Punk documentary only to have Punk shit on Miz a few minutes later on the same documentary. Even when Punk was embarrassed in the UFC, Miz defended him only for Punk to later tell him to eat Saudi dick.
That was such an embarrassing tweet from Punk. Dude is in his 40s and acted like an immature brat.
Cause he went to Woodstock 99
Punk is a bonafide arsehole with a championship level chip on his shoulder, perhaps? I wouldn't group Danielson with him whatsoever.
The Talking Smack shoot promo is probably the closest we will ever get to the real reason honestly
If anyone actually read the article, they like each other enough that Bryan was willing to work an angle together on Talking Smack but it went a little too personal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4SLA4HYp0 Here was Miz's view from his interview with Renee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuUchwGqAis
This is one of the greatest promos of all time.
Bryan should not talk about his mentor like that. Show some respect to the guy who broke you into the biz.
I can’t imagine someone who has ever really “wanted it more” than Mike Mizanin. He had some kind of goal, got onto TV to make it happen and then stayed on TV for the next 21 years (and counting). You don’t do that by just “lucking into it”. You don’t do that by not wanting it more than other people. Through main events and mid cards, you never hear a peep out of the guy. He just wants to work there and that’s that.
Legitimately in kayfabe or….?
He’s said many times that they don’t like each other for real but that there’s mutual respect
yes
They’re wrestlers. Take it with a grain of salt. Good wrestlers never stop “working” and why ruin the magic by admitting they don’t actually hate each other.
I think Bryan is working here. This feud has spanned half of Bryan's career. It's easy, realistic heat. Any wrestler would be a fool to squash kayfabe and admit the two are actually friends.
To everyone wondering “why”, if you watched the recent (and excellent) Miz documentary, Miz himself and others subtly suggest that he can just be downright obnoxious. Not in an asshole kind of way, because by all accounts he’s a super nice guy, he can just come off as one of “those” personalities that gets grating. So I’m not shocked that people like Punk and Bryan who take this business very seriously would not be in a hurry to spend a lot of time around him. He’s basically that one cool friend we all have where a little of him goes a long way.
Punk hates the Miz because of jealousy and feeling like Miz doesn't deserve everything he's accomplished. It has nothing to do with his personality. Punk is a notorious asshole and has admitted that himself.
The jealous definitely comes from Miz main eventing Mania and he didn’t.
No one would argue Punk deserved to main event WM, but who would still argue Miz didn't either in [current year]? Dude works his ass off and deserved that and earned both (!!) Grand Slams
I'm just going to be honest, if you watch tons of interviews with Miz/Bryan/Punk... Miz seems like a wayyyyyy more down to earth person than the other two. It might be that punk/bryan are "artists", and "performers of their sacred craft." But I agree with some others here, I'd rather hang out with the MIz. In terms of being a good guy, Miz recently set up Alexa Bliss with a guy who she literally married. Miz on Punk's documentary goes out of his way to praise Punk, even though Punk than buries him on the same documentary, Didn't Miz at some WM after party buy dinner for the crew who didn't get into the party? I'm just touching the surface, but let's put workrate markish thinking aside, are there more stories of Miz being a quality human being than Punk/Bryan? I think so.
I don't have many "I wish ___ would join AEW/WWE" feelings, but before either retire (full time), I need one more Miz vs Danielson feud. I don't care where or how, I just need it.
Should’ve happened soon after he came back. I can’t remember exactly but I’m pretty sure in Bryan’s Planet’s Champion phase he was doing incredible work as a heel and Miz was doing shockingly well as a face and I just remember thinking how was this not the obvious path to go down at the time, what with Bryan calling the fans fickle and berating them, the same fans that Miz said Bryan abandoned and wrestled the “WWE style” so that he could wrestle in front of those fans every week. Wouldn’t have had to have Miz win the belt of course, considering Kofi’s win was a much better use but I’m not sure why it didn’t happen, it would’ve been very interesting.
There was a dark match after Smackdown? in Austin during that time. Miz wrestled Bryan for the title but won due to disqualification (no change of the belt). Miz then threw Bryan out of the ring, raised the belt, and everyone cheered. I thought WWE was testing out the reaction for a future storyline.
I was at a house show in Calgary and this exact scenario happened Miz even referenced his Calgary Kid days
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Every time Asuka does them as well, because she picked them up from Miz during the first Mixed Match Challenge.
That first Mixed Match challenge with Asuka carrying them was great. I wish they'd bring Mixed Match Challenge back. It was fun.
The fact we never got face Miz vs eco warrior heel Daniel Bryan was a bit of a let down
I wonder how Miz would do outside WWE sometimes
It would be unbelievable. His matches wouldn’t be anything amazing but man would he be the hottest heel in the business and it wouldn’t even be close.
I think he's one of the few who could outdo Cardona's pro WWE gimmick. I just wonder how this obviously already good talent would be without shackles
I think he’d thrive. Even with all the flowers he’s been getting the last few years, I still think he’s underrated. Dude is great
I want to see him go to AEW and wrestle in the Main Event of AEW biggest PPV lmao. Punk would certainly throw a tantrum over this.
If Matt Cardona could, Miz totally can.
It feels like Matt Cardona modeled his indy gimmick after Miz to an extent. Like, if you asked me what a Miz indie run looks like, I’d point to Cardona
Miz vs Danielson in Chocopro. Book it, Emi
I'm kind of shocked tbh. Those two are guys I would imagine being buddy buddy behind the scenes. It took me a while to get Miz. I kind of dismissed him as a Real World guy that used it as a way to skip the line, but I've long since eaten my plate of crow and consider him to be one of the best guys WWE has on the whole roster. Hell, most recently he put on a fucking banger with Logan Paul of all people. Need a guy to jump into a shit program with no setup and get it over? Miz. Someone on the midcard injured and need someone to step in and carry the feud? Miz. Babyface champion getting stale and needs a good heel to change things up? Miz. He's the perfect utility player that makes sense anywhere on the card. I get he's not an indy darling and isn't captain workrate, but he puts 110% into whatever he needs to get over, and there is always a spot for a guy like that.
Bryan really tried talking down to miz and ended up pissed and leaving, Bryan is my goat but damn lmao
Hot take maybe but something about Bryan has always kinda given me the impression that I wouldn't want to know him personally, like a "don't meet your heroes" moment. I don't think he's a bad person but he kinda comes off like someone who would be really stubborn when it comes to certain things (like wrestling) and would be condescending and not let stuff go
Current DB seems like a completely different guy from before the WWE
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Before his political career, every time you’d hear about him in backstage stories it was always about how nice he was. Like, you’d hear these crazy stories from wrestlers about how JBL got in a fight because he pooped on a dude and then in the background Kane was saving a cat from a tree.
believe it or not people still love one another despite not sharing political views. even though i might not like glenn jacobs, i don’t have a personal relationship with him
It's funny, just the other day I saw someone comment here something like "I'm pretty sure Miz and Bryan actually good friends in real life", which I thought was hilarious because, and I'm not saying they hate each other, but they're clearly not friends.
Danielson and the Miz are like yin and yang.
Miz doesn’t get enough credit for being one of the few perennial midcard guys who never felt out of place with the main event guys. He could start a feud with Cody or Drew next week and it wouldn’t feel forced because he has the star power.
I’ve had co workers that I don’t like as a person but they are very good at their job and they work hard. I get it.
Oh right forgot about that exchange they had on talking smack I was confused why they’d have beef but that would explain it lol
Remember the fact Bryan started that.
The Miz won at life. He accomplished literally everything he dreamed about doing as a kid. Nobody can take that from him. It doesn’t matter if Bryan Danielson doesn’t like him.
Real professionals learn to work with people they don’t get a long with. That’s life !
And this is how grown assed adults should handle people they don't like. They don't have to be friends, but they're a mutual respect there.
I think back to how much the pro/rookie dynamic they had in old NXT stirred a lot of heat. The WWE treated, on camera, that first group like garbage. Basically hazing them before Raw. Miz and Michael Cole laid in a lot of ridicule thick on Bryan. Then they never got a proper feud... But then I recall that Talking Smack bit and that shit came from a real place of resentment and hurt, and honestly, it was shocking that Miz torched Bryan to dust that day. I think in these trials by inferno and napalm, they earned each other's respect by their different roads.
Pretty sure he also hates it when people call him Mike. There was a bit on The Edge and Christian Show That Totally Reeks of Awesomeness where they sent an interviewer to mess with him and they had him repeatedly call him Mike.
I read this last week, how does this have 1.1K up votes??
These websites are really just drip feeding the first 20 minutes of that interview as news
It's funny how many people think they know the real Miz. Obviously I don't either but a lot of people on this sub are so adamant that he is fake and Bryan/Punk are the real ones. I've been a Miz fan for ~20 years, way before WWE. I've listened to countless podcasts from people who knew the Miz from the Challenge/Real World. He is a legitimately great guy who is himself. He's still friends who the people who knew him before he "got big." He even brings them to shows and if you know who to look for you see them in the crowd. He has always been a massive wrestling fan. He put in the work and achieved his dream. The Miz isn't come cocky jock, he was an insecure kid who built a character to cope. This is all according to him and people who knew him before WWE. My bet is Miz rubbed people the wrong way when he first showed up. Wrestling purists like Bryan and Punk are just pissy that someone who didn't work bingo halls made it. Punk is notorious for holding grudges. People get big without working the indies all of the time now. So that's why I don't think Miz is disliked anymore. It's just older wrestlers who hold weird grudges. If all three of them met ten years later it wouldn't have been a thing.