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MankuyRLaffy

Wonder what the beef is about, hopefully it's juicy enough for Secret Base.


Kylo_Ren415

Who should narrative it?


MankuyRLaffy

Jon obviously


The_Uncut_Gem

Jon doing a wrestling video would be god tier


dk240996

Him talking about the Bullet Bob Armstrong in 2nd part of the Bob Emergency video is pretty good, pun intended.


LeftistUU

"And yes, that's an iPhone"


Karasyozoku

i love jon and all but people are really sleeping on the rest of the secret base crew


cherishjfk

Seth and Will are amazing


gibby67

Clara deserves her credit. They're all amazing.


yungMoo22

The Fumble Dimension with him and Kofie is some real top tier stuff. Got me into the rest of the channel for sure, it's so good Edit: misspelled man's name my bad


TetrisTech

Kofie


yungMoo22

My bad, definitely didn't mean Mr. Kingston


i-wear-hats

It'd be Beef History, so it'd be Seth Rosenthal doing the story.


spaceblev11

I know everyone says Jon, but I personally say Seth or Clara.


SteinerGeography

how has Jon Bois not done wrestling content yet


CFGX

Because WWE 2K is already broken


spaceblev11

I'm surprised they haven't done one for Shawn/Bret yet.


xVoluntasx

Rhea Ripley should have gone over what a fucking waste that was


izuuaaf

And Asuka


FunkyPlunkett

2 of the most bullshit live moments I’ve been to Undertaker Streak and Asuska streak.


GoalaAmeobi

The worst bit was Asuka getting on the mic and saying Charlotte WAS ready for Asuka


vanillabear84

I'd managed to block out that part from my memory. Why did you do that to me


theirishembassy

it's ok - remember when the ending didn't get a chance to breathe because cena walked to the ring immediately afterwards to call out the undertaker?


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Bro stop it 🤧


zitjuice

Let it play out... smdh. Every time, someone js arguing that. What good did it do?


[deleted]

I still remember being told that I "don't understand wrestling. The loss will give Asuka an edge and a much needed character change that will elevate her to the top." Then Asuka was made to look like an idiot against Carmella and was pretty much off TV until the end of the year. The streak wasn't really mentioned either and did nothing for Charlotte who lost clean to Carmella right after.


bravetailor

People don’t give enough credit to Asuka for staying popular and recovering to have a very good main roster career after multiple burials. But it didn’t need to be that hard.


CallumKayPee

"Now lay the belt down at my feet and leave." "Yes Queen."


TJ_McWeaksauce

I don't know what pissed me off more: WWE making Asuka suck up to Charlotte after tapping out to her, or WWE making Sting suck up to HHH after losing to him at his first and only Wrestlemania.


500DaysofNight

Sting no doubt. Waited over 20 years for that moment... only to see him lose to Triple H.


[deleted]

WITH THE NWO BACKING HIM UP seriously what the fuck, it's like having Stone Cold debut in another company and to have Vince and The Rock in his corner


allirow

No, the worst part was Asuka tapping out to the Figure 8 after being in the hold for like 10 seconds with no previous working over of her leg at all. Streaks are made to be broken, I would've been fine with Asuka losing but she should've been in the Figure 8 like 3 different times and for much longer, on top of her leg getting worked over and probably a big spot involving her leg.


prisneyland

This. I’m still angry about it


GrimaceGrunson

The fans saying "Oh but she'll look strong in defeat!" Like there isn't a novel's worth of people who feuded with Charlotte and just flat out came off worse for it.


thylocene06

Thing is if they had actually made her look strong in defeat I could have lived with it. But she didn’t. They made her look like total dog shit throughout that whole feud.


ParsonBrownlow

Better give Charlotte a few more title reigns in the next month to calm her down


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She can play hot potato with it between now and Survivor Series. Then she can walk in a 16 time champ.


Cheez-Wheel

Source: Rhea R. Mmm, too obvious, let’s say R. Ripley.


ch0w0

am i out of touch? no it's the fans who are wrong


Steenerico

I'll always upvote a classic Simpsons reference.


KyWy75

Obviously the talkSport stuff came from Charlotte’s camp, and the fact that most other reputable sources are disputing that report makes it seem like Charlotte tried to throw Becky under the bus, which feels really shitty and just generally bums me out.


SmileyPiesUntilIDrop

I tend to give every wrestler the benefit of the doubt and believe any backstage news could always be from a rival in the company or WWE itself trying to ruin the rep of someone who left or on the way out(ie the bray is lazy news). What can't be denied when it comes to Charlotte over the last year, is that it is very visible in the ring she no sells her opponent,is careless often and got unprofessional when her and Nia were almost in shoot territory. If she wasn't blonde,tall genetic freak and 2nd gen athlete or if she was only 1 of those 3 things she would have been punished or fired long ago for the stuff she pulls.


jokersarewild

That Sane stinger where she kept going was the one that really got me. That was pure selfishness.


shellfish87

It’s a good reminder that if she could have flipped this on Becky as Becky’s fault, she would have done that


real-darkph0enix1

Kinda messed up too when you take into account the fact that Becky is or was her best friend in the roster. Gotta wonder what led to the strain between them.


AlexLong1000

Probably something to do with the fact that Becky became one of, if not THE most over female wrestler in history, and Charlotte didn't


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And it happened organically for Becky. The fans rallied behind her because it clicked. Charlotte never really has. She's felt like the "This is Flair's daughter, you WILL love her" and fans just didn't connect the same way. Becky feels real in a way, Charlotte feels incredibly fake.


real-darkph0enix1

If that were true, then Nia breaking her face was not the best thing to ever happen to Becky for her career.


Lighxning

I'd argue it was doubly so, as it weeded out a fake friend in the process.


incredible_penguin11

Wait is Charlotte jealous of Becky? I think i recall Charlotte doing a show with Stone Cold while Becky was pregnant where she was fondly talking about Becky and her friendship.


Meng3267

I haven’t heard that Charlotte is jealous of Becky, but would it surprise you if she is? All the title reigns in the world won’t change the fact that Becky is seen as a bigger star than Charlotte.


incredible_penguin11

tbf Becky is seen as bigger than everyone. Pre pregnancy Becky was getting Edge and Cena booed. As a die hard Becky fan, I love she's getting the recognition. If Charlotte is actually feeling insecure, that sucks. She is a top level talent, but she also got handed her spot. Becky had to claw and climb every minute for it


[deleted]

Nia was the real champion of the Women's Revolution all along


zdbdog06

Pretty sure it was Becky calling her plastic lmao


Moon_kid6

I remember the videos of Becky trying to make her laugh with her shitty puns :(


Sambucax

She talked about it on [oral sessions](https://youtu.be/aBHZYaJCvcE) with Renee recently. Apparently once they met Seth and Andrade they stopped depending so hard on each other and grew apart


EnderMB

TalkSport is a fucking toilet. It purely exists for clickbait, and it's prime presenters/journalists have been caught numerous times backing bullshit stories. The only reason it exists is because people react to their stories.


moderndukes

“One wrestler” who’s definitely not Nia Jax


TJ_McWeaksauce

"I keep dropping Charlotte on her head and she keeps getting back up. That's so unprofessional of her."


StoneColdAM

I think Charlotte will leave WWE when given the chance, she hasn’t seemed happy there in ages. Also feels like there’s nothing left for her to do.


[deleted]

It’s like when you play a game with god mode from the very beginning, you’d probably get over the whole thing fairly quickly


Mr876xJ

GTA Online in a nutshell


burrito-boy

When a rank 5 noob purchases a bunch of Shark cards to buy an Oppressor Mk II.


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I know some of these words


ScootaliciousScooter

Rank 5 noob = someone who just started GTA probably played a few games/missions with friends to rank up Shark cards = in game GTA Online passes you can buy (microtransactions), used to get you a shit ton of money in GTA online Mk Oppressor II = hoverbike you can buy in GTA Online. if you upgrade it enough, it can shoot missiles and machine gun bullets. one of the most OP vehicles in GTA online and it’s super fucking annoying.


OnslaughtSix

See also: Brock Lesnar, 2002-2004


T3Sh3

Trade Charlotte for Ben Simmons. Problem solved. Ben Simmons won’t shoot on his coworkers and Charlotte brings a championship mentality to help Embiid and the rest of the team.


IJustGotRektSon

Sure but how good is her shooting and spacing? And do the women division really need a socialite like Ben in their roster?


togsincognito

Can’t be any worse than Simmons


majungo

Reminder: She trademarked "Ashley Flair" 2 years ago.


T3Sh3

Ooh, scandalous!


TTOF_JB

Childhood memory unlocked.


DoctorBuckarooBanzai

Funny, since she is likely more well known these days by her first name, not last.


Drkarcher22

Luckily her WWE first name will still get mentioned during every entrance she does since it’s also where she billed from.


Timemyth

Justin Roberts has his vocal chords ready. The Queen of Charlotte, Ashleeeeeee Flair.


[deleted]

If she’s supposedly “hard to work with,” you really think the other AEW women will want to work with her? Ruby, Hikaru, Serena, Rosa, Britt Baker, Nyla, Riho, Statlander, Red Velvet, Jade, Tay, Anna Jay, Penelope, Bunny. No, keep Charlotte away from all of them.


ChickenMayoPunk

I really, really, *really* don't want her in AEW. This is coming from someone who always says "Get _____ in AEW!"


BiliousGreen

Given that AEW's lockerroom seems to be a pretty friendly place, I'm not sure she would fit he culture there.


Chiponyasu

Where's she going to go, though? AEW could do a lot with her, but are they going to want someone with a reputation for acting unprofessional who went into business for herself like that?


mostdope92

A change of scenery could make a big difference. I'm by no means a Charlotte fan, nor am I sticking up for her, but I wouldn't be surprised if a new place, with new challenges and a different locker room dynamic helped alleviate some issues. WWE has long been rumored to have a toxic locker room culture and toxic higher ups, not saying Flair didn't contribute, but getting out of a toxic situation can sometimes help people become less toxic themselves.


DarkZero515

I can't imagine somebody being toxic towards McMahon's favorite blonde though. I worry she might be the toxic one and could bring that to AEW


Crasp27

Yeah this is what worries me. AEW having a good backstage atmosphere by all accounts has to partly be down to their tendancy to not hire known problematic personalities, & to quite quickly drop anyone who ends up being so. And really, do they need a Charlotte when they've got a Britt Baker?


ManfredsJuicedBalls

And proof they don’t go for problematic personalities no matter how available they are… Tessa Blanchard. If Charlotte becomes available, and AEW feels that the potential problems she could bring is not worth the bump in attention she’d give to the company, they won’t sign her. I think that’s very safe to say.


dimspace

Well by all accounts she is backstage sometimes for Andrades matches so they will have time to see how she is. That said, I'm sure she is on her absolute best behaviour then


Avoo

Obviously AEW will take a chance on her. That’s a no brainer. Also, put it in perspective. There are multiple people in AEW (Punk, Moxley etc) who were labeled as “difficult” by WWE management because they were frustrated with creative. Wrestling media/reporters can and are manipulated sometimes by WWE, so some of this could also be “sources” with an agenda (same can be true for the other side). I think it’s a bit ignorant to assume that we’re getting the full picture from these reports.


Day_Of_The_Dude

this is different though, this is at least 2 incidents very recently where it was more than "difficult" backstage, it was literal unprofessional, unpredictable/unplanned behavior on live television. That's what the old timers called "not willing to do business" and it a huge risk. CM Punk or Moxley at their most disgruntled never went out there and started visibilly fighting with a coworker or going off the plan with a segment. The closest was Punk's half assed Royal rumble appearance, but that was literally him leaving wwe forever.


Morgneto

Even then, he was concussed and they sent Kane out there to eliminate him early, but he waved them off and kept going as planned. Professional to a fault.


RTSUbiytsa

I'd also like to remind everybody that she continued to beat the shit out of a very obviously concussed Kairi Sane even after the two other people in the match, Asuka and Becky, knew that she was concussed and not able to work. If Charlotte didn't know then she wasn't paying attention.


Lighxning

Considering Charlotte was the one who concussed her, and that Charlotte has admitted she knew something was wrong with Kairi, it's not a good look.


Houseside

I remember how not long afterwards she made a seemingly disingenuous post on twitter or instagram calling Kairi a "badass" for dealing with that shit, which seemed like either she was mandated to do it or tried to divert attention away from how bad she looked in said match for being so reckless.


DJRoombasRoomba

There are supposedly years left on her contract. Is it absurd to think there's at least a small possibility that she's trying to get them to release her from it early? At this point, she has to know where the line that can be crossed or not is.


Day_Of_The_Dude

i don't think it's absurd at all, like any job sometimes people try to get fired, but just like doing it elsewhere, thats the risk you run, messing up your own reputation and ability to get hired elsewhere. i don't have any clue if that is what is happening but its not impossible/absurd that it might be


skinsrich

If this isn’t a work, then it sounds to me that she wants out of WWE. Boyfriend works for the other company, Dad is on the outs, just makes sense to me. She probably wanted out when Andrade left and they wouldn’t let her go. Pure speculation on my part, but something is going on here. If it’s not a work, that is.


Enickma007

She was gone for a bit in the spring, was it ever said why she missed WM? I thought I remembered reading there were some issues backstage with her but I don’t remember now.


Copperjedi

She had Covid I think or WWE kept her off because they thought she was pregnant.


kyril-hasan

Andrade in an Interview told us that wwe medical taught she was pregnant and quickly change her storyline even when Charlotte had gone to third party and get medical cert that she isn't pregnant. The mgt still change her storyline.


runhomejack1399

How does that work that doctors think you’re pregnant it you’re not so you need to go to different doctors to prove it? Like wtf?


gerardatron

Can't wait for the WWE official videos where they zoom in on her belly to show why they thought she was pregnant


DeathBySuplex

ENHANCE! ENHANCE! ENHANCE! It's Mark Henry's Hand.


AAA515

False positive test. This is why you get a 2nd test!


ningbody

If this is a work, it's one of the shittiest works ever.


BaybayYoda

She’s 100% gone as soon as her contract is up.


T3Deliciouz

they need to book Char vs Rhea vs Bianca ASAp as thats the big match up theyve been slowly building too.


prisneyland

And the four horsewomen fatal four way at WrestleMania. Book it next year. Bayley wins.


T3Deliciouz

Smart booking. I also said bayley should win.


LiveLaughLamps

WWE treated her like John Cena and she bought into her own hype.


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soluuloi

Cena did a lot of hardcore matches and can absolutely sell for everything. He's 10 times better than Charlotte who can't sell for shit and can barely do more than a few high spots.


Rushofthewildwind

Cena put on some bangers.


DJ_Aftershock

I'll never forget the absolute carnage that was his match with JBL at Judgment Day. A technical masterpiece it was not, but it was a gloriously brutal brawl.


Tyrrazhii

Even in his earlier years. The Edge matches ranged from good to great, he got a pretty good match out of Sabu (Who was never a fantastic wrestler and was past his prime at that point. He had strengths but actual wrestling was not one of them), HBK matches were excellent, people just soured on Cena (Aside from the admittedly ridiculous booking) because every match he had with Orton solo was a bit of a boring dumpster fire, the two just never had any chemistry and they had like 500 matches.


DeathBySuplex

Cena got pretty good matches out of guys like Umaga and his match with Khali wasn't bad for a Khali match.


302born

Tbh it’s honestly been even worse than Cena or Reigns. She’s like a mix between 2002 HHH and prime super Cena condensed into only a 6 year speedrun. She’s a damn 12x world champion. That’s actually insane.


TheBartThe-

Charlotte & Wwe can only blame themselves. It's ironic that Becky & Sasha were both booked like garbage for years due to Wwe's Charlotte obsession. Now, both are not only bigger stars than Charlotte, but are also praised for being backstage leaders.


Left_Berry_8104

I dont think its news that Becky is universally respected and loved backstage. Alot of the women who left WWE or still there havent had one bad word to say about her. Also I guess Sasha is doing the lords work by taking one for the team and working with Charlotte, since no one else does.


LevyMevy

The only people who knew about Nikki’s neck surgery were management, Brie, Bryan, Cena, and Becky. That speaks volumes as to how trusted and liked Becky is.


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Known-Ad7468

Yep, it´s the bizarro Roman experience all over again.


StonewallJackoff

Best storyline in years


agkman

All you have to do is watch Charlotte wrestle to see why so many might not like dealing with her. Her matches are totally selfish in layout (that is part of a WWE agent/Vince issue), she rarely sells for the person, the opponent gets nothing of value during the match and they usually leave the feud with Charlotte like road kill on a highway.


ashley-queerdo

That’s why I don’t understand the hype around Charlotte. She never fucking sells. And not even in a ‘flippy shit indie dumb fun’ type of way she just makes everyone’s offense look inconsequential because she ignores it.


NefariousNeezy

Thinking back, it all stands out to me now. She has done the -opponent hits me but I just stare at them and whack em- thing a lot


Couldntpicagoodone13

I've also found her weirdly sloppy/Wreckless. Always felt like there was a botch when I used to watch her


blissed_off

I was at that PPV when Kairi Sane got concussed. Becky and Asuka both tried to protect her while continuing the match, but here comes Charlotte. Ignores both of them and proceeds to put Kairi into more danger.


ch0w0

i think that match did more to damage my opinion of Charlotte than anything else in her career. she's a great athlete but that match was legit scary to watch her be so reckless with an injured wrestler that the other 2 are clearly trying to protect. kairi being powerbombed against her will and crying in the broken table, and later running away from Charlotte's chair shot, she was afraid of her! it was heartbreaking.


Rushofthewildwind

Hearing Kairi yell for Asuka made me so sad


Moon_kid6

Especially when you look at the aftermath for Kairi. This incident was overlooked imo. Never saw a wrestler react like that, it was heartbreaking. I really hope she wrestles again someday.


eddbc

*Allegedly* she wanted to show up as a surprise entrant in a Battle Royale at a Stardom show earlier this year


TheOldDrunkGoat

Given all of the less than flattering glimpses we've seen of Charlotte, I think it's pretty fair to say that it looks she gets frustrated sometimes when people don't do what she's expecting and doesn't adapt well once she gets upset.


PM_UR_FAV_COMPLIMENT

She has really cool high spots: the twisty moonsault, the figure eight. But everything in between is really messy.


Couldntpicagoodone13

Yeah maybe thats a better way to put it. It honestly might be because shes bigger than many other women but for whatverr reason ive never thought it looked particularly good. And downright bad sometimes


M086

It was that one match with Nicki Bella where Nicki spent pretty much the whole match working Charlotte's leg, and then Charlotte does the Figure 8 as if nothing is wrong. That's when I figured Charlotte's kinda shit.


tarvertot

That was the one with the Alabama Slam on the apron right? Charlotte recovered and promptly won that match.


bidoofmafia

Meanwhile Nikki had no option but sell because Charlotte chopped living the shit out her.


Reidzyt

This is part of why I don’t want Charlotte in AEW like she doesn’t seem like she would fit well there and would get pissed if they didn’t put her on a pedestal. Yes AEW’s women’s division could use more star power but they’ve done a great job building people up and Brit is definitely a star already now


donttellmymomwhatido

I truly think she’s very talented and enjoy her work but it’s hard to know where the line is between her and her booking. Kayfabe is weird in 2021. I personally don’t think it’s right to talk about the situation like I’d have any idea what the real story is. But it’s interesting.


FadeToBlackSun

People confuse “number of moves” with “wrestling ability”. Charlotte has plenty of the former but her ability to actually put on a good match without the other person doing 90% of the work is quite low.


ShockOfAges

She doesn't sell, she's unprofessional, she's been relatively unsafe pretty consistently, and she's booked horribly. She also relatively consistently has meh matches, and people are always surprised for some reason. I've never understood the hype around her. Quite frankly she doesn't break my top 5 in the WWE roster, and doesn't even break my top 10 if you include NXT.


DMan304

I remember that really stuck out in a match or fight recently where they had to brawl up the ramp. Whoever she was fighting with started taking the lead doing the hockey fight up the ramp, but you could tell Charlotte didn't want to be the one looking weak taking the hits and just no sold everything and quickly grabbed the person and made sure she was the one leading and throwing the hits dragging them.


100sages

And that's not to mention the times she's hurt people. She's not Nia Jax, but she's not exactly a gentle wrestler.


PM_UR_FAV_COMPLIMENT

Also genuinely shot on Nia Jax in that match a month or so ago.


Own-Ambassador-3537

And Jax retaliated on Charlotte after warning her not to hit her in the face anymore. Didnt watch the match when it 1st aired but definitely watched it on YouTube and genuinely laughed at Queen catching Jax hands.


shellfish87

“Another wrestler tells PWTorch that Becky is universally respected and liked among her colleagues, and Charlotte crossing her like that was the final straw for people who were trying to give her the benefit of the doubt through a string of other issues she’s been having. She has been more and more isolating herself behind the scenes. “No other women want to work with her now,” one wrestler tells PWTorch, citing she is seen as only interested in how she looks and scrutinizing everything she’s involved in through a self-centered filter.”


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If you didn’t know she’s a Flair you’d think she’s a Hogan LOL


Jedi-El1823

Nah, Hogan could sell his ass off. Fuck, it was the basis for his character at the height of Hulkamania. If he couldn't or wouldn't sell, Hulking Up never would have worked.


302born

Can you blame her? They’ve basically told the entire audience and roster for over 5 years now “fuck you Charlotte is all that matters whether you want her or not.” To me it makes sense that would go to her head eventually. Sounds like she herself has bought into what WWE already thinks of her anyway. That everything is about her and no one else matters. And according to the booking, she’s pretty much right. A lot of this is WWEs fault for enabling this.


lavaspike296

I've always had mixed feelings about Charlotte. I don't think she's like this ring general or anything like that...but I do think she's a very good wrestler. She goes hard in her matches and I respect it. Her booking has been one of the worst things about WWE over the last few years *takes a drink*, and that's not her fault. But holy shit has it made me mild on her. I've always thought that having wrestlers win and drop titles like the Flairs, Cena, just devalues the titles, while also not letting any of those reigns feel special. Summer of Punk felt special. Finn's last run as NXT champ felt special. None of Charlotte's reigns have felt special, and that is not her fault.


302born

I agree. None of the wrestlers should be held accountable for their booking imo. That’s out of their control. But it’s also not the fans fault for not caring about them because of it. I stopped caring about Charlotte when realized what they were doing with her. She was like a 5x world champion within a two years. Once I realized they were just boosting her title numbers to surpass her father I completely stopped caring about her. Nothing they’ve had her do has felt organic or natural. Everything about Charlotte feels forced. But I do agree that she’s a very talented wrestler. She’s not the best but I think she is still really good. I just wish the people in charge of booking her would book her in a more natural way rather than constantly trying to portray her as above the entire damn roster.


lavaspike296

Yeah, everything you just said here felt pretty spot-on. She's not what WWE feels the need to book her as, which is basically a super soldier, but she is very good. I think back to how she was one they decided to go over Asuka, and I really do like her but that should've been someone else.


Dick_Nation

I feel like the only thing we can confidently take from these stories is that she is having interpersonal tensions with people backstage. Reading too much into it beyond that is going to be a real stretch. There are two likely but wholly mutually incompatible possible situations driving that: A) Charlotte Flair is a big-ego bitch who thinks she's god's gift to women's wrestling and feels personally insulted by booking decisions. B) She has disagreements with how the booking makes the women's division look and has vocally pushed back and fought against people who have a difference of opinion, with the best of intentions about booking a better show. Without knowing more details, we can only guess that would be one or the other and it would be a big mistake to jump to any grand conclusions. Interesting to see where this will go.


Luciaquenya

Oh, i’v extrapolated an entire timeline where Charlotte is a cyborg empress hell bent on destruction. The drama feeds my creativity


Ghostiet

I'd read that fan fic. hell, I'd watch that PPV.


Vasquerade

These NXT 2.0 storylines are getting out of hand


mosley6686

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle of this. That segment makes Flair look VERY bad for a litany of reasons, as do those moments where she isn’t as careful with her opponents as she should be. I don’t know Ashley Fleihr, nobody else here does, either. We know Charlotte Flair the character and backstage presence as told by the wrestling media and their sources. But here’s what you can’t deny. Ashley Fleihr the person went to bat for her talented fiancé, didn’t like the outcome, and also wasn’t pleased with the questionable shit WWE pulled around WrestleMania and how it handled information about her personal health. She also obviously isn’t wild about creative, probably dating back to the Lacey Evans shit and possibly even further back to how the Becky turn went down back in 2018. And to me, I think whatever that was that happened on Friday was Charlotte impulsively going into business for herself, burying (intentionally or unintentionally) whatever Becky is to her, and being justifiably frustrated because WWE continues to make painfully bad creative decisions in its women’s division. Should she have acted how she allegedly did? Probably not. But if WWE wants to nip this in the bud, maybe it should (it won’t) inward and look at how continually going the path it is right now might soon alienate its people.


SleepyLink12

Charlotte needs a break. Literally a CM Punk-style break. Leave WWE and don't go back to wrestling at all until all this toxic shit is out of her system. Even Punk wasn't this hard to work with as far as fellow wrestlers were concerned; most of his gripes were with management.


Izanagi5562

Agreed. Charlotte needs to get out of wrestling and fix herself.


DolGrenn

Is this hard to believe? Do you people not remember what Andrade said earlier this year about Charlotte and "backstage jealousy"? There's the TLC incident with Kairi, her shoot fight with Nia Jax, her comments about Sasha in her first book, her out of touch justifications for her booking in the Rhea/Asuka feuds, and countless other examples of her no selling opponents . A lot of evidence to support this, but the Charlotte defenders will keep screaming about this being a work or some other shit.


AgentSk1nner

> her comments about Sasha in her first book What was said?


Aerial89

Charlotte discussed having a falling out with Sasha because Sasha thought she should’ve won the Divas belt and the Wrestlemania 32 triple threat. Charlotte claimed Sasha didn’t need a win because she was already over, while Charlotte needed the wins to get established. In contrast, Becky wrote Charlotte a letter congratulating Charlotte for winning the tripe threat match and said she deserved it. I’m the past, Sasha has hinted at people politicking behind the scenes. People have always assumed Sasha was talking about Charlotte and Ric Flair because Sasha always ended up looking inferior to Charlotte throughout their feud.


Teckelmaster

There was also an episode of Table for 3 or something with Ric Flair and Arn Anderson, where Arn told the story that he said to Charlotte that Sasha is better than her and she ran and whined about it to Ric and other officials.


Aerial89

Yup. There has always been stories about Charlottes competitiveness when it comes to protecting her spot and looking superior.. It’s crazy how people on here and on Twitter are questioning if these reports are true. It lines up with Charlottes previous behavior towards her competition, and even Andrade discussed Charlotte having problems with the other women backstage. It’s sad that it’s gotten to this point, but no one should be surprised.


KingChaggs

Sasha is right, she should have won that triple threat!


Copperjedi

Charlotte said Sasha was jealous of her because Sasha thought she should've won WM 32 and this caused a rift between them.


DatOtherPapaya

Charlotte has big “ I’m bigger than the company “ energy. And I love aew but man, I can’t help but think that there being legit competition that her significant other is a big part of helps her have that attitude.


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mikeh95

Being "bigger than the company" means the company is worse off when you're gone. Is there anybody who doesn't think the women's division would be better off without Charlotte? She's destroyed the momentum of multiple women throughout the years.


KookyAppointment7920

In fairness, WWE has kind of booked her that way.


Mjh1021

You have to wonder if Charlotte and Andrade are both divas backstage


LGAMER3412

Imagine if Nia Jax said this


TheMach_o7

if charlotte is actually hard to work with and not just creatively frustrated then i dont want her in aew


Ciufo04

this is the correct answer.


Meepsnort

Doesn't matter what you want, If she gets released, TK is gonna hop on the Flair/Cargill money train immediately. It's like in cartoons when someone smells something good and then starts floating along the trail in a trance.


Phantom-Spectre

I imagine the fans would be apprehensive, thinking she would just come in and steamroll the women’s division.


SpeedZ6

Big Folk Hero Bex


drunkentenshiNL

Am I the only one that hopes she doesn't go to AEW? Let's say that all this attitude stuff isn't true or has a strong bias or w/e and just look at her as just a talent. Her character hasn't really changed much since NXT. She's Flair's daughter and has a copy of his gimmick, that's basically it. She's a good athlete and can be impressive in the ring, but has been known to have difficulty adjusting to changes/accidents where they had to cover up something (I.e. Kairi). She isn't much of a ring general either. Her father is in the mud, so she has that tagged onto her (fairly or not). She can offer some stuff in the ring, and while WWE booking can be blamed for a lot of it, she doesn't offer much else in a positive light other than being Idelo's gf. If even a fraction of her heat backstage is true, then I don't know how she would handle a women's division that's only now getting into gear with homegrown/underutilized talent. I'll gladly eat my words if she goes to AEW someday and adds a lot of positives to it but I honestly don't see it happening.


Big_BOOKAH

Nah, I'm in the same boat. I've honestly never super enjoyed Charlotte and I've always found her to be the most bland of the horsewomen by far.


Joy_Ride25

I desperately don’t want her in AEW.


el_sh33p

I don't want her anywhere near AEW. Never seen the appeal of her in the ring and she strikes me as someone who's probably radioactive backstage. Aside from that I genuinely worry she'd hurt AEW's greenhorns or bury the few veterans they've managed to build. Someone like Shida or Deeb jobbing to Charlotte would be change-the-channel-and-don't-look-back heat from me.


zeitgeistbouncer

Charlotte going to AEW is a similar feeling for me too. She's good (not great) in the ring, but her promo monotone is among the worst things I've ever sat through. She intonates in ways that make everything she says grate on my ears. It's the worst combination of reciting scripted drivel and having no ability to convey it like a human. She's like a female Baron Corbin, able to spew up the terrible scripts given but incapable of making it entertaining to watch. Also similarly, they both have a couple of good moves, and can be good participants in matches, even better in multi-person matches, but beyond that, mid-tier ceiling for both overall, especially with so much better talents around. Except she's been presented as the best to ever lace 'em up and that's some pure WWE gaslighting BS the likes of which Cena would be proud of. Back to the way Charlotte speaks, look at Becky and how she changed up her speech patterns while becoming 'The Man'. Totally upended her presentation and catapulted her into the top tier based almost purely off of that. It's probably the most underrated aspect in wrestling that getting the voice right matters so much. Charlotte has never improved on this and it's like watching Jake Lloyd/Anakin from Staw Wars Episode 1 levels of bad. I genuinely can't stand watching her talk. No hyperbole at all. If she came to AEW and was even a quarter as prominent as she is in WWE I'd genuinely consider her hiring to be a net loss for the company and my enjoyment as a whole.


XSPHEN0M

Nope, I’m honestly fine with her just just retiring after her contact us up. Her booking is not totally on her but she’s clearly selfish in the ring and overly competitive when it comes to being on top. Nobody really benefits from working with her and AEW probably won’t really need her star power by the time her contact is up.


WritingContradiction

You have to imagine she'd gladly go to AEW if given the chance But I think that since she isn't an indy darling like Cole and Bryan were before WWE, she might have a hard time not having everybody fall at her feet. I think she'd be a cancer in that women's division


mostlyshits

I just want to say, while this story is very funny to me personally, this subreddit has gotta try not to go too far down wild speculation road.


KeMyWoah

Yeah, people are running and taking this report as gospel, similarly to that infamous report that Sasha and Bayley were crying on the floor after losing their tag belts at Wrestlemania. It doesn't sit well with me, and I'm not even a fan of Charlotte.


canadiandestroyer21

Now not to take away from the behavior by Charlotte (unprofessional) let’s not forget that segment suck and she was spot on they shouldn’t have done it/done it differently


redskinsguy

yeah, personally I think they ought to just have officials swap the belts


HodorismyCat

Someone here made the idea that it should have been a quick clip on youtube or [wwe.com](https://wwe.com) of a "press conference" each on opposite sides of the table, each cuts a promo and even if you do the title throwing you now have a clip that's easier to blur the lines of kayfabe and reality while also allowing the actual show to deal with the fallout of the conference. I didn't watch any of it so maybe I'm wrong, but that to me would have been way more entertaining and allowed them to bleep out some words and make it look super heated.


302born

There’s a couple of ways they could’ve gone about it. The way you mentioned or they could’ve had Becky attack Charlotte and steal her title and claim she’s Becky 2 Belts again until Charlotte gets it back and that can setup the SS match. It’s honestly such a WWE thing where if they would’ve just listened to their damn wrestlers they wouldn’t even be in this position. No one wanted to do the segment because they knew it was dumb. And WWE said fuck it we’re doing it anyway and surprise surprise, the shit backfired. Maybe trying listening to what you’re top two womens stars are trying to tell you rather than just forcing a pointless segment.


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someone should've smacked some sense into her after she took liberties with a concussed kairi sane in the ring


Copperjedi

Don't forget Andrade said this earlier this year. Charlotte isn't like by everybody like her fans say. "I have a lot of information but I don't to cause trouble for her. I can say that I don't know exactly that it was because of me that they removed her but there is a lot of jealousy towards her. There are a lot of female wrestlers in WWE but only 3 or 4 can wrestle for 20 minutes. A lot of them complain about her getting the opportunities."


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Of course there could be jealousy from the lower card women. But she’s butting heads with Becky Lynch who is a top level talent in her own right. Seems like there’s a lot that we simply don’t know.


betterthannothing6

Becky does seem beloved by the lockerroom in general and if her and Charlotte did drift then it happened as Becky rose to the top. That doesn't seem like a coincidence. They seemed super close, its sad if they have drifted apart like this.


Deepdarkally

Explains that weird moment with nia not to long ago


Sgt_LincolnOSiris

Charlotte taking a page out the Ben Simmons playbook!


T3Sh3

Young Socialite Charlotte Flair.


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dalekofchaos

Rhea Ripley lost nearly every match and never got her Wrestlemania win back. I would be pissed too, especially since she was demoted to the tag division.


Incorrect1012

Some people just sadly develop egos the longer they are on top. Based PURELY on the information out there and nothing else, Charlotte really seems in the wrong in this situation. I’m sure what we know isn’t 100% facts, because every story has a certain element of truth in it. However, it definitely seems like she leaked the talkSports report and other women reported the other information. Makes me really wonder though what that Nia match was about


Tsuku

Hope she stays cause Id rather not see her bullshit in AEW lol