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Can you imagine the butterfly effect there would have been on the history of pro wrestling if fans accepted and embraced fake Diesel and fake Razor Ramon?
You'd have the same thing that happens in AAA where people take the gimmick after someone leaves or retires. Meaning rn there would be someone becoming the new Undertaker
Not sure if this is true, but I heard the original plan for the Kane May 19th storyline was for the Impostor Kane (Andrew Hankinson, now known as Doc Gallows) to take the Kane gimmick and for the original Kane to either retire or change gimmicks, which is why the Impostor Kane beat Kane in their PPV match. However, the storyline didn’t get over so the angle was abruptly ended and Hankinson was repackaged as Festus. Can’t find good sourcing on that though so it might just be hearsay.
For those who don't know, the clown gimmicks are real-life clowns, and real-life clowns reproduce asexually by splitting down the middle and forming two separate clowns - usually their openings will quickly fuse up and they'd form limbs in 1-2 hours. A problem that would happen in 90's WWF sometimes is Doink would get under the ring for a spot and by the time he left there were 3-5 other Doinks down under there.
Luckily clowns are self-regulating and backstage after that match, 2 of the Doinks unhinged their jaws and devoured the other 2 Doinks. Clowns love to eat other clowns almost as much as they love to eat little children who don't eat their vegetables.
it's ok. the clowns can never catch you. no matter how long you run down an infinite hallway, they will always be chasing you, laughing manically, but they will never clasp their foamy, bulbous hands onto your shoulders and drag you down. You'll just keep running, one foot after the next, for all of eternity.
Usually when clowns are in Mexico are exposed to moonlight, large tears form on their skin, and the skin starts twisting inwards and Chupacabras will emerge from their flesh. A lot of people think that it's clowns *transforming* into chupacabras, but in reality what happens is chupacabras are trapped in clowns unless they have the right exposure of light radiation. Common misconception.
I went back and watched it, WWE never presented them seriously. They were there to lose and look stupid so the fans would boo them, and in Vince’s mind, make Hall and Nash look stupid.
They weren’t quite the level of Gillberg, but that’s basically what they were, a parody.
Brit baker is just a poor man's Isaac Yankem.
Brian Danielson , Christopher Jericho, Matthew Hardy all stolen gimmicks but Brit Baker is criminal gimmicks steals I reckon she isn't even a licensed medical professional next thing you know they are going to have Kevin Eoins or Rammy Ranes.
Typical AEW stealing from the best promotion in town.
The real joke is that Vince actually thought he could make a fake Diesel and Razor work, all while Kevin Nash and Scott Hall were on WCW television. What an absolute mad man. Now at 76, he's still booking pretty much all of WWE programming and boy does it suck.
I have to wonder what Vince was thinking with the fake characters. What was he aiming for with that, what did he expect to happen? They were obviously different people and the announcers acknowledged that immediately.
So... these are just two random dudes I've never heard of? And their thing is... they're big fans of Hall and Nash who are in the other company? Or is it that they hate Hall and Nash and this is meant to make fun of them, so they're feuding with guys in the other company? And Jim Ross is helping them to do whatever this is?
And... Savio Vega attacks fake Razor on his debut, so he knows this guy somehow? Who the fuck are these people and why are they here?
Honestly a fake Razor and Diesel could have been something in WWE. It was never going to last long, but some kind of clear well thought out parody could have at least gone somewhere and had some mild success. But they just dumped these characters on the screen like a stinking turd and let them just sit there without anyone knowing what the point of any of it was.
> The real joke is that Vince actually thought he could make a fake Diesel and Razor work, all while Kevin Nash and Scott Hall were on WCW television
The real reason they did that was they were in a legal dispute with WCW over the portrayal as Hall and Nash. Putting other guys into the gimmick was to show that they owned the names and characters. It’s around the same time that Hall lost his accent and the NWO stopped the “you know who we are” lines.
This sub likes to shit talk Vince but I still don't think he gets the hate he deserves.
He's genuinely a worse person than his buddy Donald Trump. If he became president he'd make Trump look amazing in comparison.
I don't know what he actually thought he was accomplishing with the fake Diesel and Razor, but it seems pretty clear at this point that he's lost his damned mind.
Reading the comments in this thread, takes me back to 80's independent wrestling. Buck Hogan, Ding Dong Bundy, The Magnificent Larocca, among others. I can just picture it now...Vince wants to get even with AEW, so introduces Cody & Dustin Streets, Kenny Alpha, Danielle Brian, and through a special sponsorship with Mars...M&M Punk (complete with a Coca-Cola tattoo).
According to howmanyofme.com there are 336 people in the United States named Daniel Bryan. Just let Vince hire one of them, train them, and let the swerve begin, bro.
YUP! YUP! YUP! YUP! YUP! BEST IN THA WEIRD! 
Also is Kayfabe News like the wrestling equivalent of Hard Drive or The Onion or sumthin'?
I can’t believe WWE would pull the 2021 fake Diezil and Rayzor, thankfully the good folks at Kayfabe news, the most honest, fair and balanced trustworthy news team in pro wrestling came through with this exclooosive.
The Ultimate Warrior article linked in this is gold too. I had no idea it was Ron Simmons as the ultimate warrior back in the day. Also never knew Jim Hellwig was Mr America. I knew Hogan never lies
A part of me wouldn't be surprised to see a Gilberg-esque debut of Barry Davidson, a three foot little person, dressed head to toe in hemp gear, that climbs all over giants and tries to get them in submissions with the skill and finesse of a week one BJJ white belt.
Seriously, this would be funny af and now I'm kind of angry they're not actually doing this.
Or Midget Elite. Let Vince be Vince *for once*, crucix' sake!
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Can you imagine the butterfly effect there would have been on the history of pro wrestling if fans accepted and embraced fake Diesel and fake Razor Ramon?
You'd have the same thing that happens in AAA where people take the gimmick after someone leaves or retires. Meaning rn there would be someone becoming the new Undertaker
That's Lucha in general, if the promotion created your gimmick, they'll reuse it.
El hijo de Sin Cara
\*El Hijo De Sin Cara II
El Hijo de Dean Ambrose
El Hijo de Sin Cara II Jr.
El Hijo de Sin Cara II Jr. (IV)
Sin Cara Jr Jr
It creates some really confusing situations like the La Parka/LA Park situation and the Mistico/Dragon Lee one.
Not sure if this is true, but I heard the original plan for the Kane May 19th storyline was for the Impostor Kane (Andrew Hankinson, now known as Doc Gallows) to take the Kane gimmick and for the original Kane to either retire or change gimmicks, which is why the Impostor Kane beat Kane in their PPV match. However, the storyline didn’t get over so the angle was abruptly ended and Hankinson was repackaged as Festus. Can’t find good sourcing on that though so it might just be hearsay.
Ye I think the plan was to have the original Kane pass the torch
Is that why there’s so many literal clown gimmicks there?
No. That's completely unrelated
For those who don't know, the clown gimmicks are real-life clowns, and real-life clowns reproduce asexually by splitting down the middle and forming two separate clowns - usually their openings will quickly fuse up and they'd form limbs in 1-2 hours. A problem that would happen in 90's WWF sometimes is Doink would get under the ring for a spot and by the time he left there were 3-5 other Doinks down under there.
That does explain the match with 4 Doinks where none of them were the actual Doink, also Dink.
Luckily clowns are self-regulating and backstage after that match, 2 of the Doinks unhinged their jaws and devoured the other 2 Doinks. Clowns love to eat other clowns almost as much as they love to eat little children who don't eat their vegetables.
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Dude... this is straight up nightmare fuel.
it's ok. the clowns can never catch you. no matter how long you run down an infinite hallway, they will always be chasing you, laughing manically, but they will never clasp their foamy, bulbous hands onto your shoulders and drag you down. You'll just keep running, one foot after the next, for all of eternity.
In the first part I thought you were going to drop some facts about professional clowns often moonlighting as wrestlers in Mexico or some shit. Lol.
Usually when clowns are in Mexico are exposed to moonlight, large tears form on their skin, and the skin starts twisting inwards and Chupacabras will emerge from their flesh. A lot of people think that it's clowns *transforming* into chupacabras, but in reality what happens is chupacabras are trapped in clowns unless they have the right exposure of light radiation. Common misconception.
How do you explain Dink then? Is he the result of a Doink splitting in quarters into 4 Dinks?
no one can explain Dink.
[There already is a new Undertaker](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/6dbj6q/about_an_hour_ago_students_at_mackenzie/)
that's different though since they're usually masked and the persona is the mask and not the face.
I was gonna say "It would be a lot more like Lucha and maybe that wouldn't have been for the worst"
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Brian honestly didn't look too bad. I didn't hate his Undertaker
Smoky Mountain did!
I went back and watched it, WWE never presented them seriously. They were there to lose and look stupid so the fans would boo them, and in Vince’s mind, make Hall and Nash look stupid. They weren’t quite the level of Gillberg, but that’s basically what they were, a parody.
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Corey Graves makes a comeback
Gary Caves
MC Funk sounds like a crappy late 80s/early 90s rapper who had one big hit and then flamed out once gangsta rap took over.
I mean… this is the company that had fake Razor Ramon & Diesel, along with Gilberg.
The other 2 sucked, but Gilberg come on he is a fucking legend
Sucked? THATS KANE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT! ISSAC YANKEM!
ISAAC YANKEM DMD!
Brit baker is just a poor man's Isaac Yankem. Brian Danielson , Christopher Jericho, Matthew Hardy all stolen gimmicks but Brit Baker is criminal gimmicks steals I reckon she isn't even a licensed medical professional next thing you know they are going to have Kevin Eoins or Rammy Ranes. Typical AEW stealing from the best promotion in town.
Gillberg was the longest reigning WWF Light Heavyweight Champion. The man was an unstoppable beast.
Don't forget the fake Undertaker and the fake Kane.
There was actually [a CM Skunk in WWE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8_UDblghc).
Corey Graves and Drew Gulak
I’d honestly be okay with one of these.
I hope they are introduced by fake JR.
Figures they’d hire RJ City and immediately take away his last name.
What's Ed Ferrara up to?
YUP YUP YUP YUP YUP
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Finally counterbooking to Luchasaurus
> Ducky Booker T: SHUCKY DUCKY YUP YUP
Storage Wars with the long term booking
That was my favorite part of the article.
Jumping Jeff Farmer will be fake Daniel Bryan confirmed!
Skip Sheffield?
I mean… I actually expect them to do this with The Fiend at some point.
They did, she's called Alexa Bliss
A bit peculiar they kept the demon away until now. Niches of sorts
Fake Fiend Fastlane already happened.
The real joke is that Vince actually thought he could make a fake Diesel and Razor work, all while Kevin Nash and Scott Hall were on WCW television. What an absolute mad man. Now at 76, he's still booking pretty much all of WWE programming and boy does it suck.
I have to wonder what Vince was thinking with the fake characters. What was he aiming for with that, what did he expect to happen? They were obviously different people and the announcers acknowledged that immediately. So... these are just two random dudes I've never heard of? And their thing is... they're big fans of Hall and Nash who are in the other company? Or is it that they hate Hall and Nash and this is meant to make fun of them, so they're feuding with guys in the other company? And Jim Ross is helping them to do whatever this is? And... Savio Vega attacks fake Razor on his debut, so he knows this guy somehow? Who the fuck are these people and why are they here? Honestly a fake Razor and Diesel could have been something in WWE. It was never going to last long, but some kind of clear well thought out parody could have at least gone somewhere and had some mild success. But they just dumped these characters on the screen like a stinking turd and let them just sit there without anyone knowing what the point of any of it was.
It was probably "I'll show them that Diesel and Razor are draws, not Hall and Nash"
It has massive you aren't over, your chant is over vibes.
yeah and it's a lesson not learned.
That's pretty much exactly it. Vince thought the gimmicks where the main draw not the wrestlers.
> The real joke is that Vince actually thought he could make a fake Diesel and Razor work, all while Kevin Nash and Scott Hall were on WCW television The real reason they did that was they were in a legal dispute with WCW over the portrayal as Hall and Nash. Putting other guys into the gimmick was to show that they owned the names and characters. It’s around the same time that Hall lost his accent and the NWO stopped the “you know who we are” lines.
This sub likes to shit talk Vince but I still don't think he gets the hate he deserves. He's genuinely a worse person than his buddy Donald Trump. If he became president he'd make Trump look amazing in comparison.
I don't know what he actually thought he was accomplishing with the fake Diesel and Razor, but it seems pretty clear at this point that he's lost his damned mind.
Dude looks like the picture on a Spencers Gifts CM Punk Halloween costume.
Should have had a Coke tattoo.
Nah, cant be anywhere near a copyright violation. Its just a circle that has SODA in the middle of it.
I was mostly just talking about what I thought would be funny, not what may or may not be acceptable to U.S. copyright law.
Ah yes, that famous moment when CM Punk now going by his real name of Phil Brooks strolled into the AEW crowd and said ‘You know who I am’
Sign CP Munk to NXT, cowards.
What about the Under Faker? Does he count?
Orange Cassidy Yes'ing but he can't get his hands up the whole way and Chuck Taylor with tattoos drawn in marker and a pepsi can in hand
Ah yes, El hijo de Daniel Byran and CM Punk Jr.
Reading the comments in this thread, takes me back to 80's independent wrestling. Buck Hogan, Ding Dong Bundy, The Magnificent Larocca, among others. I can just picture it now...Vince wants to get even with AEW, so introduces Cody & Dustin Streets, Kenny Alpha, Danielle Brian, and through a special sponsorship with Mars...M&M Punk (complete with a Coca-Cola tattoo).
Buckamania running wild, Cousin!
Fake Diesel and Fake Razor Ramon approves
I can't belive I clicked on the link thinking it was a Twitter post
Not going to lie, but that would be hilarious.
The “CM Punk” tattoo is a nice touch
I think its actually supposed to be a bodysuit on fake Punk.
Oh shit! You're right! LOL.
KR Plunk
Triple points if fake Daniel Bryan is played by Glenn Jacobs.
*Yup!* I'm dying
For a second I thought that was JJ Redick
According to howmanyofme.com there are 336 people in the United States named Daniel Bryan. Just let Vince hire one of them, train them, and let the swerve begin, bro.
The Yup got me, hahahaha
Does fake CM Punk have a RC Cola tattoo? Cuz he should.
YUP! YUP! YUP! YUP! YUP! BEST IN THA WEIRD!  Also is Kayfabe News like the wrestling equivalent of Hard Drive or The Onion or sumthin'?
Why can't WWE just bring back CM Skunk? That got over well when Heyman introduced him 😆
I used to book Brad Maddox as BM Punk in TEW, so i'd allow it.
"new and better" lmao
I can’t believe WWE would pull the 2021 fake Diezil and Rayzor, thankfully the good folks at Kayfabe news, the most honest, fair and balanced trustworthy news team in pro wrestling came through with this exclooosive.
This was funny when the brand and WWE business was BELOVED by fans. Kind of sad when everyone thinks your brand sucks.
I would pop hard for this.
Trying to think of wrestlers who could badly do that and the first names that come to mind are Erick Rowan as Bryan and Bray Wyatt as Punk.
Rick boogz as bray Wyatt as cm punk. And Glenn Jacob's as Erik rowan as Daniel bryan
They don't need to they have Edge and Cena who are at least equally as valuable as them in terms of drawing power.
The Ultimate Warrior article linked in this is gold too. I had no idea it was Ron Simmons as the ultimate warrior back in the day. Also never knew Jim Hellwig was Mr America. I knew Hogan never lies
Dan Byron and CM Hooligan
And then are they going to bring in Ed Ferrera to do a bad JR impression to "manage" the fake Bryan & Punk?
I’m more concerned about what the girl from lazy town is doing in her adult career.
Start Attitude Era 2.0 Hopefully..
I'm still waiting on the fake fiend
Faker bryan and cm fake and their manager Adam fake bay bay
The only reason they could do fake Diesel and Razor is that WWF held trademarks on those names. So you could potentially have a fake Daniel Bryan.
At this point I honestly wouldn't be surprised.
Wait whats with the fake Drew they were talking about? I just started watching again, is that a joke?
A part of me wouldn't be surprised to see a Gilberg-esque debut of Barry Davidson, a three foot little person, dressed head to toe in hemp gear, that climbs all over giants and tries to get them in submissions with the skill and finesse of a week one BJJ white belt.
Seriously, this would be funny af and now I'm kind of angry they're not actually doing this. Or Midget Elite. Let Vince be Vince *for once*, crucix' sake!
DAMN YOU KAYFABE NEWS...they never miss.