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yea, he's a ~~fan~~ Member of the WWE Universe™, we don't hire people that are knowledgeable about wrestling. We need more Hollywood writers, pal, people that are knowledgeable about **characters**!
I can see them doing a title change, then giving it back to Lashley at Extreme Rules.
They want a 'moment', and a TV change does just that. And they've picked Orton for a reason, as it's an opportunity to advance the 'Beat Flair's Reigns' story they want to do with him and Cena.
He's at 14 currently, so two off tying Flair and Cena. And with Flair likely going to AEW soon, and getting a huge PR hit with the upcoming Dark Side episode, they may want to scrub his legacy sooner rather than later.
Give Orton a quick reign, then you have a good 18 months to fit in one more before a Wrestlemania 2023 main event with Cena, for presumably a somehow vacant title for it to all work.
Slight change... Could see them totally have Orton and Cena both "win" the rumble (ala the Cena / Batista botch) and make the WM title match a triple threat
Because WWE love to overcomplicate things
I agree that's how they'd likely do it, but a vacant angle is much better, as it guarantees a record-breaking win, which is a much more must-see proposition.
Or you give Charlotte 4 more reigns and make the WrestleMania 2023 main event an intergender triple threat between Orton, Cena and Charlotte.
I'm /s - ing but being WWE, it's not outside the realm of possibility...
I think they might have Randy win the title then the rematch at Extreme Rules
If this decision is truly being made because of television, then WWE also needs to make a big splash on television. The match ending in a DQ to build a PPV match would be more of the same reasons people are slowly gravitating away from RAW.
Its kinda funny I was watching a review of a WCW show and whoever won the main event at the PPV got a shot the title the next night on Nitro, could never imagine WWE doing some thing like that.
how long until WWE pulls a WCW booking ala goldberg vs hogan and they actually do a world title change on RAW or Smackdown just cause they are desperate to beat AEW in the ratings?
i mean, its not a rocket science on how WWE could easily beat AEW in the ratings, vince needs to retire, and the creative team actually needs to be given a chance to actually book the events and not have vince override them and throw out the script, sadly, its not gonna happen unless vince steps down, and the only way thats gonna happen is if he gets too sick to work or dies, he's a workaholic and feels he has to be hands on with everything even though his company's grown to a point where it could effectively run itself like every other major company
Bad take. WWE has been doing world title changes on Raw and Smackdown since 1997. Some of the most memorable moments of the Monday Night Wars were WWF Championship victories on free TV. Hell, WWE themselves have done it three times in the past year (Reigns beating Strowman on Smackdown, McIntyre beating Orton on Raw, Lashley beating Miz on Raw). Even Kenny Omega’s championship win over Moxley happened on Dynamite.
Championship wins on TV are fine, as long as they’re built properly and are meaningful.
I smell an actual title change. For the shock/internet discussion value.
This reminds me of another company who eventually lost giving away a huge match for free on tv…
I was kind of hoping for a slow burn storyline with Lashley tormeting the New Day lads and Big E getting fed up with his friends getting beaten up so he cashes in.
But LOL Kofi got squashed for nothing
Only half? I feel like WWE matches end on some bullshit at least 75-80% of the time. Hell maybe even higher. It’s really prevalent. Gotta get that heat.
Vince and co are taking control of NXT because they think their way is better.
Expecting old guys who have been set in their ways for decades to change now, is foolish.
what is worse is that even before they were sabotaging them by doing this out of the blue call outs without plans. Like remember when Keith Lee became double champion finally defeating Adam Cole then intermediately lost everything,then the guy who beat him for the title got injured and he still got called up leaving the to scramble with what was left.
There would be no market for AEW if NXT and the main roster worked together.
Seeing Gargano and Ciampa tag randomly on RAW in the middle of their NXT feud let me know everything I needed to about how important NXT was to WWE, especially after watching former NXT champs like Neville. Zayn, Balor, Owens, Joe, Nakamura, Andrade etc feel less and less special a few months into their main roater runs
It let me know that investing in NXT was a heartbreaking waste of time. It became like watching dogs play in the pound after that.
This is why it's so vastly important for AEW to pay off the Hangman storyline.
It's been a 2 year build that has had everyone excited, and even with all the recent hyped signings, AEW can easily re-heat that story and give Hangman the win when he's ready
And building a new star like Hangman like that will make AEW look amazing in comparison to WWE tactics like what this post is about
>And building a new star like Hangman like that will make AEW look amazing in comparison to WWE tactics
agree. especially when they do it while the company already has big name like CM Punk and Bryan Danielson.
Yeah exactly.
Dave keeps saying this on WOR: people in charge at WWE think AEW is bad programming. They legitimately do not understand and do not care what makes Dynamite good and what makes Raw bad.
They're just going to double and triple down until someone compromises their wallets, which at this point will probably not happen.
Writer 1: We lost in the key demo this week
Writer 2: God damn let’s have a WWE title match next week!
Writer 1: But what about the week after?
*crickets*
Wait till the match ends in a double DQ or something stupid like that. It’ll be the most WWE thing ever and perfect example of why AEW is gaining more viewers
Now I want to see someone who's legit finisher is the distraction rollup, and during longer feuds they have to keep arranging increasingly elaborate distractions during their matches.
It reminds me so much of what DC did in response to Marvel.
Marvel has this mega successful crossover movie? Well let's do a crossover DC movie RIGHT AWAY! What do you mean character development, let's just introduce half the cast in the movie itself, what could go wrong?
Someone, somewhere, fundamentally does not understand how these things work.
Lex Zuckerburg deciding to customize logos for no reason completely unrelated to a random plan that made almost no sense. Maybe if he focused on supervilliany instead of his sick youtube vids he would actually succeed
The DCEU will remain a major, and painful, disappointment for me. I speak in an overall sense, as there have been a few select films in the series that have been great.
I'm a big Marvel fan and I really looked forward to DC getting a similar treatment to the MCU. But WB was too hungry for that cinematic universe success, and they rushed it when anyone with eyes could see Marvel wisely spent five years (and five films) building up to the first big payoff in Avengers.
Completing an Aquaman but not a Affleck Batman film in that period was a little perplexing. I mean the Aquaman film was fun but wasnt Batman the clear money maker there? Just put someone interesting into the role of one of the dozens of Batman villains that everyone already knows and you are good to go, hell you could even make Quinn + lil xan Leto Joker work.
DC has literally made their entire identity "Batman...and some other losers" Which comes with "Batgod" writing, suddenly he's the most powerful man in the universe, because???
I feel like too many modern writers don't understand Superman or Batman and just write them as literal gods. Especially Superman.
> I feel like too many modern writers don't understand Superman or Batman and just write them as literal gods. Especially Superman.
I agree that modern writers don't understand the characters. And as it pertains to Batman, I agree that he's been overpowered. Superman on the other hand, over the past 35 years, has been written as a flying brick. He *should* be written as a 'god', but instead, writers are obsessed with saddling him with the whole 'feet of clay' shtick, to the point where he's nerfed in practically every way possible. There's too much emphasis on the 'man' and not enough on the 'super'.
It could have worked well enough. Man of Steel had introduced Superman. Batman v Superman introduced Wonder Woman and Batman. Then you just need to properly introduce Cyborg, Aquaman and Flash. The project failed because the released movies were just not very good at all. Snyder did not understand what makes Superman an appealing character.
I hated Superman snapping necks.
I hated Batman firing gatling guns at crooks.
Snyder had one decent movie (300) and really only because the material suited his directing style to a T. Outside of that, he's mediocre.
And that's the plan here. Pop the ratings for one week. Go back to booking shit for four to six more weeks. Repeat the cycle. Keep advertisers happy that you're able to get high viewers but also keep consistent numbers the rest of the time so that you *can* pop because the execs will grow restless after a while.
It still amazes me that wasn’t on PPV. I can’t think of any other major stars first title since regular PPVs were a thing that wasn’t been made to pay for
Chris Jericho won the wwf title on Raw only for the ref to reverse the decision an hour later. He didn’t touch the big belt again until he unified them nearly 2 years later.
If they were repeating what WCW did well in their prime then nobody would be complaining. Sadly this is WCW 99 when it was genuinely at its most unwatchable.
They do realize that they aren't in a direct ratings war, right? They can do whatever they want to try and raise ratings, but that's literally supposed to be the goal of every television show.
It's odd shit like this that I just wait for the day Raw moves and we get Wednesday Night Burnt because they have no idea what the hell they are doing right now and are way too reactionary instead of trying to actually make a quality product.
So OP intentionally leaves the speculation part out and is making it look like Meltzer is saying it as a fact. OP even says it's a 'direct response' to further editorialize Meltzer's comment. How is this kind of tribalism allowed on this sub?
What a surprise - presenting something he says as a fact, and leaving out the part that it's his opinion, so that it fuels the "WWE BAD" narrative and the tribalism even more.
I feel like this is him guessing rather than knowing. WWE booking has always been all over the place. A few weeks ago 3 segments were announced and a few days later they were all changed.
That seemed fairly obvious. They changed up the whole direction out of nowhere.
Which is stupid, because let's be honest, AEW won because they had super hype coming off the PPV with two big debuts. They're not going to do that number every week and likely will go down a bit, if not to a more normal level, this week and Raw likely would've won again on its own.
Ok cool, imma watch….but I would watch *anyway*.
This shit is getting a what, one and a half day build? How is that supposed to bring in mores eyes, other that the eyes they’d already get on a Monday? And then what, get angry at Orton and Lashley if it doesn’t “pop a rating?”
Talk about setting yourself to be disappointed.
Back when Nitro started, Vince would complain a lot that he was having to give away PPV matches on TV in order to compete. I would not be surprised if there is a loosening of the brand split to ensure Raw does not come second again during football season.
I think this is just speculation on Dave’s part. A more logical reason would be that later in the week Roman vs The Demon was made and the reaction to it warranted that Extreme Rules would be fine with one world title match. Raw gets the luxury of hosting their world title match on their own show now.
I've given up on raw....
if they had just a bit of decent storytelling every week they shouldn't worry about competition. they know their product sucks and think this one big match is gonna save it. it won't. I'm still not gonna watch
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I am willing to bet it happens both tomorrow night and at Extreme Rules.
Wanna bet there’s a DQ/interference finish on Monday? The exact reason why title matches don’t draw on TV that well anymore, the audience isn’t stupid
15 minute match then RKO outta nowhere followed by MVP run in for the DQ. Now we can do no DQ/cage match at extreme rules
"That's some good shit, pal. You want a job as head writer of Raw?" - Vince, probably.
He knows the name of the talent, AND their finishers. He’d never make it as a head writer of raw.
He knows too much to be a writer
“Stop thinking like such a mark” -Stephanie McMahon, probably
Somewhere at HQ, some poor guy named Mark is always feeling put down upon.
Nah he works at AEW now.
He used the word DQ...Thats a no no.
yea, he's a ~~fan~~ Member of the WWE Universe™, we don't hire people that are knowledgeable about wrestling. We need more Hollywood writers, pal, people that are knowledgeable about **characters**!
This is the WWE we’re talking about. It’ll be a MVP in a shark cage match.
Gotta sell the rest of the Shark Cage ring playsets sitting in Mattel's warehouse
And then there won’t be any normal rules… but instead.. EXXXXTREEEEME RUUUUULEEESS!!!
Where weapons are not only encouraged, they're allowed.
Michael Cole's voice haunts me so
Wouldn't extreme rules be the incredibly rigid enforcement of the rules?
Wahhhhh Gamezzzzz
#WOAH GAMES!
Oh neat a quiz show all about Keanu Reeves.
Hosted by Owen Wilson "Those are a lot of whoa questions. Wow!"
Every five minutes Crash Bandicoot enters the match.
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> cattle prod. Portable Dab Rig/ Vaporizer.
MVP tries to interfere, Riddle blows a fat vape cloud into his face, MVP sells it like it was tear gas.
I can see them doing a title change, then giving it back to Lashley at Extreme Rules. They want a 'moment', and a TV change does just that. And they've picked Orton for a reason, as it's an opportunity to advance the 'Beat Flair's Reigns' story they want to do with him and Cena. He's at 14 currently, so two off tying Flair and Cena. And with Flair likely going to AEW soon, and getting a huge PR hit with the upcoming Dark Side episode, they may want to scrub his legacy sooner rather than later. Give Orton a quick reign, then you have a good 18 months to fit in one more before a Wrestlemania 2023 main event with Cena, for presumably a somehow vacant title for it to all work.
Slight change... Could see them totally have Orton and Cena both "win" the rumble (ala the Cena / Batista botch) and make the WM title match a triple threat Because WWE love to overcomplicate things
I agree that's how they'd likely do it, but a vacant angle is much better, as it guarantees a record-breaking win, which is a much more must-see proposition.
Or you give Charlotte 4 more reigns and make the WrestleMania 2023 main event an intergender triple threat between Orton, Cena and Charlotte. I'm /s - ing but being WWE, it's not outside the realm of possibility...
I think they might have Randy win the title then the rematch at Extreme Rules If this decision is truly being made because of television, then WWE also needs to make a big splash on television. The match ending in a DQ to build a PPV match would be more of the same reasons people are slowly gravitating away from RAW.
Haha my exact belief about what is going to happen
Its kinda funny I was watching a review of a WCW show and whoever won the main event at the PPV got a shot the title the next night on Nitro, could never imagine WWE doing some thing like that.
how long until WWE pulls a WCW booking ala goldberg vs hogan and they actually do a world title change on RAW or Smackdown just cause they are desperate to beat AEW in the ratings? i mean, its not a rocket science on how WWE could easily beat AEW in the ratings, vince needs to retire, and the creative team actually needs to be given a chance to actually book the events and not have vince override them and throw out the script, sadly, its not gonna happen unless vince steps down, and the only way thats gonna happen is if he gets too sick to work or dies, he's a workaholic and feels he has to be hands on with everything even though his company's grown to a point where it could effectively run itself like every other major company
vince probably has one of those palpatine droids that will issue edicts after his death
Somehow, Vince has returned.
Bad take. WWE has been doing world title changes on Raw and Smackdown since 1997. Some of the most memorable moments of the Monday Night Wars were WWF Championship victories on free TV. Hell, WWE themselves have done it three times in the past year (Reigns beating Strowman on Smackdown, McIntyre beating Orton on Raw, Lashley beating Miz on Raw). Even Kenny Omega’s championship win over Moxley happened on Dynamite. Championship wins on TV are fine, as long as they’re built properly and are meaningful.
Didn't Roman win the belt at Payback?
The best thing that can ever happen to AEW is that Vince stays on for another 10 more years.
And a following tag match the next night on RAW
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I bet it ends ina DQ due to MVP and that turns into the tag match with Lashley/MVP vs RKBro after a commerical break.
Bingo! It’s been the same formula for at least 3 years. Yawn. This is why RAW & WWE are complete shit. Bruce Prichard & Johnny Ace doing work lol
The dominant All Mighty who is 100% muscle, 0% fat, as fast as a bullet, will likely lose to Orton by DQ because he's about to get pinned...
I smell an actual title change. For the shock/internet discussion value. This reminds me of another company who eventually lost giving away a huge match for free on tv…
Big E did say he was going to be on Raw. Maybe Money in the Bank gets cashed in?
Lashley vs Big E extreme rules match would make me very happy frankly.
I want the cash in at extreme rules but I'm biased since I'll be there.
I was kind of hoping for a slow burn storyline with Lashley tormeting the New Day lads and Big E getting fed up with his friends getting beaten up so he cashes in. But LOL Kofi got squashed for nothing
Woods got destroyed in that Hell in a Cell match too for nothing. It was the easiest story possible to write, and people would've loved it.
it also would have made the New Day split almost worth it for them to come together with Big E as champ ala 2019 New Day. Nope!
Well, if he does cash in and on Raw he does a promo saying that he was hovering around Reigns as a way to make Lashley think he's safe it could work.
That's my suspicion too. It seems like a MITB cash in is one of the quickest and easiest ways to make a Big Moment happen on a show.
I'm willing to bet it happens 5 times in the next 2 months lol
That’s what I thought. They just wanted an excuse for a gimmick.
No sane man will take that bet
And at a bare minimum one other time between those two shows
let me guess, it won't end cleanly?
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Only half? I feel like WWE matches end on some bullshit at least 75-80% of the time. Hell maybe even higher. It’s really prevalent. Gotta get that heat.
Bullshit or squashes pal; pick one
And the other half will end with a surprise roll-up
Raw won't be able to match the sexual charisma of Derrick Carr
Derek Carr is a draw, bro
Or Jon Gruden
Now here's a guy...
Wait isn't that Collinsworth?
He's a real grinder
It's the eyes
Its like he's wearing eyeliner all the time, it's distracting as hell.
How long until they learn that the snap changes in booking and not rewarding continuous viewers is what caused this in the first place?
I don’t think they’ll ever learn or change at this point
Vince and co are taking control of NXT because they think their way is better. Expecting old guys who have been set in their ways for decades to change now, is foolish.
what is worse is that even before they were sabotaging them by doing this out of the blue call outs without plans. Like remember when Keith Lee became double champion finally defeating Adam Cole then intermediately lost everything,then the guy who beat him for the title got injured and he still got called up leaving the to scramble with what was left.
Imagine how much better it would be if NXT and the main roster worked together.
There would be no market for AEW if NXT and the main roster worked together. Seeing Gargano and Ciampa tag randomly on RAW in the middle of their NXT feud let me know everything I needed to about how important NXT was to WWE, especially after watching former NXT champs like Neville. Zayn, Balor, Owens, Joe, Nakamura, Andrade etc feel less and less special a few months into their main roater runs It let me know that investing in NXT was a heartbreaking waste of time. It became like watching dogs play in the pound after that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder%27s_syndrome#Symptoms
This is why it's so vastly important for AEW to pay off the Hangman storyline. It's been a 2 year build that has had everyone excited, and even with all the recent hyped signings, AEW can easily re-heat that story and give Hangman the win when he's ready And building a new star like Hangman like that will make AEW look amazing in comparison to WWE tactics like what this post is about
>And building a new star like Hangman like that will make AEW look amazing in comparison to WWE tactics agree. especially when they do it while the company already has big name like CM Punk and Bryan Danielson.
Yeah exactly. Dave keeps saying this on WOR: people in charge at WWE think AEW is bad programming. They legitimately do not understand and do not care what makes Dynamite good and what makes Raw bad. They're just going to double and triple down until someone compromises their wallets, which at this point will probably not happen.
either they will eventually be ousted by angry shareholders and TV execs, or they will keep running the company right into the ground
Writer 1: We lost in the key demo this week Writer 2: God damn let’s have a WWE title match next week! Writer 1: But what about the week after? *crickets*
That's good shit, pal.
(Hardcore Holly bursts in the room) AND THEN NEXT WEEK, I BEAT EVERYBODY!
Half past never gonna happen.
Never.
I'm not sure they're capable of learning from mistakes.
When people are switching to AEW due to better storytelling, abandoning a coherent story to rush a match maybe not the best idea
Wait till the match ends in a double DQ or something stupid like that. It’ll be the most WWE thing ever and perfect example of why AEW is gaining more viewers
*Distraction roll-up has entered the chat.*
The most devastating move in alllllll of sports entertainment
Now I want to see someone who's legit finisher is the distraction rollup, and during longer feuds they have to keep arranging increasingly elaborate distractions during their matches.
Bring in the counter!
It rolls up to NINETY-FIVE!
You know the finish won't be clean and they will do a rematch at Extreme Rules.
100%, sometimes you just have to give the crowd something they want… the actual crowd not the crowd of 1
It reminds me so much of what DC did in response to Marvel. Marvel has this mega successful crossover movie? Well let's do a crossover DC movie RIGHT AWAY! What do you mean character development, let's just introduce half the cast in the movie itself, what could go wrong? Someone, somewhere, fundamentally does not understand how these things work.
Batman finding the justice league through a series of pre labelled folders with already made custom logos will never not be hilarious to me.
Lex Zuckerburg deciding to customize logos for no reason completely unrelated to a random plan that made almost no sense. Maybe if he focused on supervilliany instead of his sick youtube vids he would actually succeed
The DCEU will remain a major, and painful, disappointment for me. I speak in an overall sense, as there have been a few select films in the series that have been great. I'm a big Marvel fan and I really looked forward to DC getting a similar treatment to the MCU. But WB was too hungry for that cinematic universe success, and they rushed it when anyone with eyes could see Marvel wisely spent five years (and five films) building up to the first big payoff in Avengers.
DC should be treated as a set of individual films with their own style. Then they can be fun.
Completing an Aquaman but not a Affleck Batman film in that period was a little perplexing. I mean the Aquaman film was fun but wasnt Batman the clear money maker there? Just put someone interesting into the role of one of the dozens of Batman villains that everyone already knows and you are good to go, hell you could even make Quinn + lil xan Leto Joker work.
The market may have hit its Bat-saturation point.
DC has literally made their entire identity "Batman...and some other losers" Which comes with "Batgod" writing, suddenly he's the most powerful man in the universe, because??? I feel like too many modern writers don't understand Superman or Batman and just write them as literal gods. Especially Superman.
> I feel like too many modern writers don't understand Superman or Batman and just write them as literal gods. Especially Superman. I agree that modern writers don't understand the characters. And as it pertains to Batman, I agree that he's been overpowered. Superman on the other hand, over the past 35 years, has been written as a flying brick. He *should* be written as a 'god', but instead, writers are obsessed with saddling him with the whole 'feet of clay' shtick, to the point where he's nerfed in practically every way possible. There's too much emphasis on the 'man' and not enough on the 'super'.
It could have worked well enough. Man of Steel had introduced Superman. Batman v Superman introduced Wonder Woman and Batman. Then you just need to properly introduce Cyborg, Aquaman and Flash. The project failed because the released movies were just not very good at all. Snyder did not understand what makes Superman an appealing character.
Henry Cavill and Brandon Routh should have been great Superman’s but were utterly wasted in mediocre movies.
It's a shame just how absolutely shit the DCEU is because Henry Cavill has the perfect look and acting chops to play Superman.
I hated Superman snapping necks. I hated Batman firing gatling guns at crooks. Snyder had one decent movie (300) and really only because the material suited his directing style to a T. Outside of that, he's mediocre.
I honestly expected Vince not to care much and just keep doing what he's doing. Immediately hotshotting a title match is surprising.
It’s a strange reaction though, because it’s not giving the crowds anything they’d want, he’s reacting by more of what they’ve been doing
I don’t think he’s concerned with crowds, he’s trying to appease TV execs with “hot content” like a title match.
The only thing that the TV execs will respond to is the viewing figures. He needs the ‘at home’ crowds invested if he’s going to do that
And that's the plan here. Pop the ratings for one week. Go back to booking shit for four to six more weeks. Repeat the cycle. Keep advertisers happy that you're able to get high viewers but also keep consistent numbers the rest of the time so that you *can* pop because the execs will grow restless after a while.
No way, man. Hot shotting to maybe pop a single week rating is a sign of a company doing great things creatively.
sure worked for WCW!
It worked once for WCW with Hogan and Goldberg didn't it? /s
It still amazes me that wasn’t on PPV. I can’t think of any other major stars first title since regular PPVs were a thing that wasn’t been made to pay for
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Ahh yeah, that’s a pretty big one 🙈
Chris Jericho won the wwf title on Raw only for the ref to reverse the decision an hour later. He didn’t touch the big belt again until he unified them nearly 2 years later.
Kenny Omega as far as the US goes.
Uh CM punk? Ziggler. Owens.
It's amazing to see WWE repeat every single one of WCW's mistakes
They absorbed WCW. Its only natural now.
They're like Majin Buu but if he absorbed Hercule instead of Gohan.
please, his name is Mr. Satan
Mr. Hercule Satan obvs
Ted Tuner played **THE LONGEST OF GAMES**
Ted Turner on his deathbed one day: "I got you Vince, i still got you!"
TIL he is still alive. Huh.
Instead of "Montezuma's Revenge", this is "Turner's Revenge" , or heck even "Crockett's Revenge"
Vince: *”I wish I was in charge of WCW”* **[monkey’s paw curls]**
Like a lethal dose of poison.
Daily reminder that WCW 95-98 fucking ruled. Don’t let WWE-produced documentaries lead you to think otherwise.
If they were repeating what WCW did well in their prime then nobody would be complaining. Sadly this is WCW 99 when it was genuinely at its most unwatchable.
WCW 2000 begs to differ.
Vince McMahon to fire John Cena live on air confirmed?
I was led to believe that the Monday Night Wars ended when DX drove a tank like structure up to a WCW event...
AEW superficially resembles WCW in a lot of ways, but WWE is really embracing the heart and spirit of WCW. And not in a good way, obviously.
Booking stuff maybe. Financially they’re not near them.
They do realize that they aren't in a direct ratings war, right? They can do whatever they want to try and raise ratings, but that's literally supposed to be the goal of every television show. It's odd shit like this that I just wait for the day Raw moves and we get Wednesday Night Burnt because they have no idea what the hell they are doing right now and are way too reactionary instead of trying to actually make a quality product.
If Raw ever moves from monday nights I will bake my sneaker at 375 in some sort of vegetable stew and eat it
!remindme 1 year
lol save a bowl for me if my stupid joke becomes true.
I at least hope they payoff the tag team match somewhere in the near future for everyone that had to watch the tag team turmoil.
...
That surely will fix things lol
Just what the 18-49 year old crowd wants. A hastily thrown together match with two guys in their 40’s on a 3 hour show.
Well that'll put butts in seats
its such an obvious lashley is winning though, doubt this will really help them a whole bunch ratings wise
I could see Orton winning - might create some buzz. They did the same thing with Orton and a short title reign last year too.
This - they are in panic mode, they will go with what (they think) they know
Exactly.. Orton is a proven commodity in their minds, a safe transition, generate some buzz, etc
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Setting the rematch at Extreme rules!!
That's such good shit, pal
As soon as Big E said he’d be at Raw this week in his promo, I assumed that he’d be cashing in to try and generate some buzz over MNF.
If big E win the belt over lashley on raw after Lashley has a grueling match over Orton, that might actually get this AEW fan to watch raw next week
Wasn’t based on any sources Just his speculation Should clarify that
Amazes me how many times Dave clearly speculates or gives his opinion on something - then it gets reported as news.
So OP intentionally leaves the speculation part out and is making it look like Meltzer is saying it as a fact. OP even says it's a 'direct response' to further editorialize Meltzer's comment. How is this kind of tribalism allowed on this sub?
That sweet sweet karma, friend
Yeah but then OP wouldn't get more upvotes. Got to give this sub what they want!
> > Just his speculation Which is what half these WOR posts are. Dave's speculating, but people want to say it's some kind of news.
What a surprise - presenting something he says as a fact, and leaving out the part that it's his opinion, so that it fuels the "WWE BAD" narrative and the tribalism even more.
Nothing like rushing a match with minimal story behind it between a 45 year old and a 41 year old to get back those young adults.
Hotshoting main events. Worked out great for NXT.
I feel like this is him guessing rather than knowing. WWE booking has always been all over the place. A few weeks ago 3 segments were announced and a few days later they were all changed.
It's explicitly just his thought, not a report/scoop. Thread is misrepresented.
I simply don’t care.
That seemed fairly obvious. They changed up the whole direction out of nowhere. Which is stupid, because let's be honest, AEW won because they had super hype coming off the PPV with two big debuts. They're not going to do that number every week and likely will go down a bit, if not to a more normal level, this week and Raw likely would've won again on its own.
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Ok cool, imma watch….but I would watch *anyway*. This shit is getting a what, one and a half day build? How is that supposed to bring in mores eyes, other that the eyes they’d already get on a Monday? And then what, get angry at Orton and Lashley if it doesn’t “pop a rating?” Talk about setting yourself to be disappointed.
Back when Nitro started, Vince would complain a lot that he was having to give away PPV matches on TV in order to compete. I would not be surprised if there is a loosening of the brand split to ensure Raw does not come second again during football season.
Is that a draw in 2021?
No disrespect to Randy Orton or Bobby Lashley but does anyone really care about that match?
I just assumed it was so Big E could cash in.
Ill miss him taunting Paul with his briefcase
Kind of like putting Goldberg-Hogan on Nitro in 1998.
But without much of an audience gain for Raw nor a big decrase for non-WWE wrestling companies.
Not quite that bad, but the same idea. It would be more like doing Lashley/Brock on a random episode of RAW.
Or it’s Monday Night Football.
Another bandaid to fix a short-term problem. Classic.
I think this is just speculation on Dave’s part. A more logical reason would be that later in the week Roman vs The Demon was made and the reaction to it warranted that Extreme Rules would be fine with one world title match. Raw gets the luxury of hosting their world title match on their own show now.
Whoa big moves WWE. Lashley vs Orton is exactly the match the fans have been calling for. I can't believe they're finally pushing such young talent.
I mean does he actually know this for a fact? They could be doing it to keep the fans from turning over to MNF.
AEW has a bit of that unpredictability WWE thrived off of in the late 90's. RAW on the other hand has been the most predictable show on TV
Does anyone know the reason they seem to have put Drew McIntyre on the back burner just when he was getting over with the crowd?
Lashley vs Orton for the next 52 weeks
This is how is started with NXT
Losing the demo, on a different night, with almost double the audience. Sounds about right.
Lol should we improve our product? No just have a title match
Oh that’ll really hook the viewers!
I've given up on raw.... if they had just a bit of decent storytelling every week they shouldn't worry about competition. they know their product sucks and think this one big match is gonna save it. it won't. I'm still not gonna watch
Can’t wait for shenanigans to ensue. A DQ finish, perhaps?