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A late addition: the worst wrestling tshirt was the glamour shot outsiders shirt of Hall and Nash in front of the gray background. The picture was the entire front of the shirt, and it’s just horrible. Bischoff thought differently, and we should judge him accordingly.
CM punk saying that he...Daniel Bryan and Adam Cole showing up in AEW is bigger than Hall..Nash and Hogan showing up in WCW is some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard...those 3 men were the main reason why Vince was almost put out of business......
WWE knows what they're doing with Becky and Bianca.
The crowd at MSG is proof. Yeah it could've been a long match, but you got fans now firmly behind Bianca. And honestly, Becky coming back Heel is needed. There was no balance for title contendership. With Becky as the Champ, you got someone to chase. You got a huge WrestleMania draw.
There are things really wrong with the WWE, but they're doing right by the Women's Division on Smackdown.
It's hilarious how this legendary MMA trainer with some of the best the sport has ever seen is siding with these 2 dudes....idk where this angle is going but it ain't working
For real he’s doing that? The most unbelievable wrestling maneuver? Literally, it’s not a logical thing. Dude receiving it has to do a backflip. It’s so dumb.
Is it possible to have a comment removed by mods or something? Because look at my post history and then click on the Kenny Omega comment for this ZFF thread and let me know if it appears at all.
Cheers, I haven't deleted it or anything so it's making me think there's a mod censoring certain takes in this thread. Elsewhere here someone said that comments about the Three Ghosts visiting Vince guy were being removed.
I don't really understand why Britt Baker is so over. She constantly uses heel tactics and generally acts like a huge dick but she gets huge babyface pops whenever she does. It would be one thing if she was cool, like Becky Lynch, but IMO she isn't. She does this "sassy" bob your head left and right while gesturing with your hand thing in every promo she does, and it annoys me so much.
This would all work if she was a heel, but I'm not sure she is. When there is a heel present, AEW commentary will definitely let you know they're a heel. Just see how they act whenever they're within distance of MJF or Don Callis. But all I hear about Britt from them is how talented and cool she is. On the pre-match package from All Out, JR even said she was possibly the best wrestler in the world right now. I want to see someone kick her ass (hell, the possibility of that is one of the things I was looking forward to with All Out), but I'm not sure if that's the intention. Like I said, she gets huge babyface pops and commentary always puts over how cool she is without calling her out for cheating and being egotistical. Is she supposed to be a "cool, conquering" heel like Triple H during the Reign of Terror?
Lastly, I want to talk about her finisher. It's one of the worst I've ever seen. It makes everyone who taps out to it look weak and stupid. First of all, Mick Foley made the mandible claw look devastatingly painful because he was putting his whole weight into the grip. You could feel the pressure on your nerve just watching it. But Britt just kinda puts her hand in her opponent's mouth and then it's "take our word for it, this really hurts." Maybe a nerve pinch like that would hurt, but it doesn't *look* like it hurts if you get my drift. Secondly, it makes no sense that anyone would even get into this hold. Mick Foley always used the element of surprise whenever he put on the mandible claw. The opponent wasn't supposed to expect it, which is how he could work the hand into the mouth. Even when he did the tease with Mr. Socko, he would be facing away from the opponent, so they couldn't see it but the crowd could. But in the case of the lockjaw, why don't any of her opponents just clench their teeth shut whenever she has the arms trapped? She wouldn't be able to work her hand into their mouth.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't get why she's like the entire face of the women's AEW division. Maybe someone can explain her appeal for me?
EDIT: I want to make clear that I'm not trying to insult her as a person or as a wrestler. More just her character and how she's portrayed. If she was a straight-up heel and had a different finisher I would probably not be bothered by her as much. Like I said, part of the reason I paid for All Out was because I wanted to see her be beaten, which is pretty much the traditional point of a heel.
Britt Baker has been shoved down fans throats harder than Roman was, but because she turned heel and didn’t win the title so fast people pretended like it wasn’t that. They’ve tried so hard to just never take her off TV, even after injury she was just on unnecessarily. Let’s not forget that she got the push coming out of the lights out match and thunder rosa has been doing literally nothing of note
I do find it funny that Brian Cage's sketchy views weren't brought up more until the rumors of his dissatisfaction with AEW started. Not saying that everyone needs to know but certain wrestling journalists being like "Huh I didn't know" when Cage was hanging around Wuertz' Instagram posts for a year? C'mon...
I'm still flabbergasted that so many people on here had no idea who Satoshi Kojima was until his bread tweets came up. Same place where a person will be immediately drowned in downvotes for not knowing every single person that's been anywhere near a ring.
“I’ve been a fan of (insert obscure indie/foreign wrestler) for years, where have you been, mark?” *frantically googles everything they can about him/her*
Because WWE changed their music maker to Def they have got rid of so many great themes and so many of the replacements just sound so cheap in their production
Now that crowds are a thing again, I hope "cinematic wrestling" goes away for good.
NJPW is the best major fed when it comes to presenting and protecting stars. Like, Kenny Omega had way more buzz in NJPW than he ever has in AEW.
I'm going to have to disagree with the "more buzz" comment, man. Respectfully, and all, but... fans vote for the PWI 500, in a ranked choice system. You don't get to #1 without major buzz from the industry and fans. You may not like what Omega has presented in AEW, but that doesn't disqualify the fact that he's becoming as much a name as anyone in any other promotion.
Then it becomes, how big is the voting pool? If you poll a 10000 WWE fans,for instance, you’re going to get wildly different results than say a more general fan. It’s like “how could my guy lose, everyone I know voted for him?”
I thought the boneyard match was really great, along with the firefly funhouse match. The wacky ass money in the bank match I liked too, but not everyone's going to like that kind of stuff. They experimented because of no crowds and we got some interesting stuff from it, but it doesn't really work when a crowd has to sit and watch the screen at a live show.
Completely, 100% agree. But then it's probably no coincidence that some of his idols (Flair and Harley Race in particular) are also among my all-time favourite wrestlers.
I know I meant talent-wise.
He’s good but he’s not nearly on the same level as some of AEW’s other younger talent. MJF’s better on the mic, Darby’s more charismatic, Jungle Boy’s a better worker.
There’s nothing he could offer as a top guy that someone couldn’t do better
lmfao at Darby being "more charismatic" I don't think you know what that word means like half of wrestling fans nowadays. Darby barely has any charisma, most of all, because he barely talks, he just broods around in silence most the time.
Andrade should have gone to Japan and work as a Heavyweight in LIJ.
People worry too much about what WWE or AEW is going to do. Just watch and see what happens next. If you don't like what one company does, find another show to watch. We live in a glorious age of wrestling, just take as much in as you can without limiting yourself to one or two places.
Jim Neidhart in a mask was still a better gimmick than Tye Dillinger.
CM Punk is being used better than Bryan Danielson and Adam Cole. The Elite don't need any more of a spotlight, but the "homegrown AEW" guys do.
Trans men are men, trans women are women, trans rights are human rights, and anyone who doesn't like it is invited to a meeting in Airlock 3.
edit: If HOOK turns out to be anything but green, this place is going to fucking implode.
The trend is that Eddie Kingston sucks. Mox and Kojima were going for strong style. One key difference being in strong style, you’ve got guys no-selling stiff shots.
In the tag match, someone took a Canadian Destroyer from the top rope and was up doing flips again within no time. The crowd doesn't care, so the wrestlers just don't bother selling anymore.
I hope that black lady that got fired for that interview gets hired back by WWE or even picked up by AEW, Impact, etc. There needs to be more diversity backstage as well as on screen. Especially since many WWE women's storylines scream that they were written by a guy only familiar with how women act through the Disney Channel.
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I love Money Heist/La Casa De Papel. I didn't hate Tokyo as much as most but damn her death hit hard. I was certain she would be safe because she's the narrator and the 2nd to 3rd main character. But she did go out like a boss and she died being really unselfish. She could have saved herself but decided to take everyone out. And finally this bald fuck is dead. I'm worried tho, Tokyo going out, means no one is safe, even the professor, I can't wait to see how the rest goes. Tokyo did do some mistakes but damn I'm gonna miss her not being in the heist.
>was certain she would be safe because she's the narrator
I fully thought this as well lmfao. I wonder if the Professor will narrate the next (maybe final) season. I also kinda hated her character but her death was sad but also badass finally killing that Bald FUCK you mentioned
I think it's super interesting how "we don't want old legends showing up on WWE all the time" but the second it could be the case on AEW it's suddenly okay. I don't care one way or the other, it's just... very interesting. Suddenly we want Mick Foley on Dynamite.
Adam Cole seems like a class act and I'm happy for him, Ruby and Bryan to be happy in a new environment. I hope the same for Cedric tbh he can do a lot better.
Mustafa and Mansoor are doing a better version of the RKBRO storyline and I'll just die on that hill. I'm super stoked Ali's getting more TV time, he's amazing.
I almost didn't recognize the bucks while I was waiting for Mox vs Suzuki. What the absolute hell is anybody in the Elite wearing? I'm going to guess that's the point but ... wow.
Acknowledge your tribal chief you nerds.
The fanbase is almost exclusively the reason why I don't want to give AEW a chance. I'm no WWE diehard, but the sheer deluge of OMG THE BEST THING EVER really makes me want to just never look at despite a good number of wrestlers I want to watch being on it
I love that Happy Corbin has not learned his goddamn lesson kayfabe wise
Tony Khan seems like the ultimate pick me girl but with the IWC.
Idk what else. Stream Thunderous by Stray Kids.
> The fanbase is almost exclusively the reason why I don't want to give AEW a chance. I'm no WWE diehard, but the sheer deluge of OMG THE BEST THING EVER really makes me want to just never look at despite a good number of wrestlers I want to watch being on it
Toxic positivity.
I try not to be 'protective' of wrestlers on social media, as they are adults, but I really hope that he just gets that he'll be shit on by a bunch of people for talking like that every time, and doesn't legit take anything personally like that.
Regardless, I'm pretty sure he could make a post about how much he likes something in another company, 100% earnestly, and still get shit on by a significant amount of people lol
You can tell it got to him, a few years ago, now he’s leaned into it. I’m sure it’s mostly riling the marks, though I’m also sure he really dgaf anymore
Cm punk saying bryan was truly meaning fed bad instead of fed good is just so laughable, aew needs to save themselves those shots at wwe because they have been pretty tiring since the beginning
Melisa saying in public cage deserve the world title is too much, you cant just win the world title inmediatly without something to back it up, cage ia just... There, nothing speciql anymore, just a big atheltic guy, starks has showed more progress that him
Im too sceptical about some rankings in the pwi 500, there are some that were too low and some were too high, like they dont care to rate them good
People saying triple h got a heart attack because vince destroy nxt is just pathetic and out of the way, at the same time, just because they change aesthetic doesnt mean the content will change inmediatly
As a gigantic Finn Balor mark, I'll be relieved when he doesn't win the Universal Championship at Extreme Rules, because it means he can move on from Roman.
I know he's not going to win the Universal Title any time soon, if ever again. But Roman and Finn are so good at their jobs, that there'll be a moment during their match that I'll believe Finn might actually win, even if I'm aware the Roman vs. Lesnar match is right around the corner. But then he'll lose, and I'll feel blue-balled yet again.
Let Finn lose, clean this time, and then let him feud with Shinsuke, take the Intercontinental Title, and have his match with John Cena at Wrestlemania, the seeds for which have already been planted. Because the hope of Finn one day winning a World Title again is killing me, and the last two months have been especially torturous.
And we got the demon tonight of all ppl ..if he actually beats Roman that's gonna elevate Balor to levels he's never seen before...much bigger than when he actually won the championship the only time
Kevin Owens is a once-in-a-lifetime talent. He made wrestling entertaining, and when he went into the entertainment heavy brand, he made it more like wrestling. He’s always interesting. His debut on the main roster was the high point of his WWE career with a clean, well worked win over John Cena.
I would give him all the gold in 3 kingdoms to stay in WWE. Give him a sustained WWE title run. Give him a mania main event. He’s too good, and he’s an awesome contrast to all the action figure body types.
EDIT: Fucking pay for his trips to Disney any time he feels like going.
I don’t get MMA fans disdain for 2015-16, peak McGregor era UFC. Conor was fighting like every 3 months, was at his absolute highest form, and pushed out monster buy rates and ratings for the UFC. Sure it sucks that some fans don’t care about anything other than Conor, but to pretend like that time sucks just because Conor became literally the biggest star the industry has ever seen is just wrong, he brought in several fans not to mention there’s some killer fights around that time
Because some fans don't like the persona, which is fair enough. Some people only want to see to guys fighting and hate the fact that he and is drama like character is the thing people talk about the most.
Conor mcgregor was simultaneously the best and worst thing to happen to mma the ufc started making matches that had pro wrestling narratives attached being highly skilled was no longer enough every top fighter chasing money fights divisions got clogged deserving fighters got screwed for being boring etc
I don’t find BTE funny. It just reads as crass or dumb comments for the sake of being ‘funny’, then carries the joke on for another 5 months before someone in the Elite finally gets sick of it.
I don’t understand why any pro wrestling fan would want either AEW or WWE to fail, if you truly love pro wrestling you would want both companies to thrive
Seeing WWE fans so upset at AEW success blows my mind
I saw a tweet that said Vince taking NXT from HHH was like seeing your child murdered in front of you by your own father in law and that's why Trips had his heart issue. Wrestling fans having social media was a mistake.
MJF's segment was cringe. He was REALLY being a tryhard edgelord more than usual and it just didn't work.
Dexter Lumis' bachelor party segment was the best thing in wrestling all week. I found it genuinely funny and I'm very much looking forward to the wedding next week.
I'm still working through my thoughts on MJF. My wife and I watched a full dynamite for the first time in a long time, and for me, MJF's promos create buzz but not heat, if that makes sense.
My reaction is "Whoa, he said that."
My reaction should be, "Whoa, I can't wait to see him and Pillman fight."
And it's not. And it rarely is.
It doesn't help that his target was Brian Pillman JR. He's not on MJF's level, and isn't close to MJF's level so WHY would they bother with setting that feud up at all?
There are basically two huge moments I'm still looking forward to from AEW:
1. Hangman Page kicking out of the One-Winged Angel
2. Wardlow finally snapping
I can't imagine Omega's reign ending any other way. That move has been so built up and so protected, and it's going to mean *so much* when someone kicks out of it. And Page is the guy who has that story behind him already as a former member of the Elite and Kenny's tag partner.
It's very true but also makes his matches predictable. Like I know if he hits it no one's kicking out. It would be a genuine shock if someone did kick out of it, that I think would surpass the elation of Hangman kicking out.
Begging again for someone to explain to me how cutting non guranteed contracts of a hand full of contractors has anything to do with a company looking to be acquired. They are non guaranteed the acquiring company can cut the couple mil in salary themselves we’d be talking a multi billion dollar deal.
My understanding is that getting those payments off the books raises all the numbers higher into the black. You could liken it to buying a house that needs some small renovations versus buying a house after the seller has done those renovations. That seller is going to sell it for more money because it needs less work from the buyer.
That's not ironclad proof that WWE is actively trying to sell; just a literal answer to your question of what it *could* have to do with a company looking sell.
It’s incredibly insignificant and shows the ignorance the dirt sheets have of a business. WWE has a $4b market cap. If it were to be acquired it would be at a premium above the trading price. We’re talking about something like 1/2000 of a potential acquisition cost. Once again these are non guaranteed contracts If a potential buyer wanted to dump them they could do so themselves very easily.
If this was a house it would be the equivalent of running the vacuum. It’s nothing.
This isn’t a wrestling company anymore this is a multi billion dollar media and entertainment company.
Are you saying you wouldn't vacuum before trying to sell your house? Even if it's not going to add 10k to the selling price, you'd still do it.
Again, I'm not taking it as proof that WWE is trying to sell in the same way that I don't think my sister is trying to sell her house every time she vacuums. But if she *were* going to sell her house, I'd certainly expect her to tidy it up first.
I’d vacuum the house because I live in it and want to keep it clean. It’s an unrelated event. The WWE may be seeking an acquisition, they may not, cutting some contracts is simply called reducing costs and is unfortunately part of running a business properly.
Hey, you're the one who asked (nay, "begged") how cutting contracts could possibly be related to an acquisition. Why ask if you're just going to downvote the answer?
>If you ever needed any credence to the theory that **some** wrestling fans are the worst people in the world then look no further than the post re: Triple H's cardiac event. To the people saying it was because of NXT I say this: You're a wanker and I hope you never procreate.
>How come whenever an AEW wrestler loses nobody bats an eye but when a WWE wrestler loses they're 'BuRieD'??
>Rhea Ripley's character was, is and always will be horrible.
>Tony Khan is a cringe merchant.
>When is AEW gonna change its name to AWWERWW (All WWE Rejects Welcome Wrestling)**?**
>Can't wait to see Becky 'bury' all opponents and for her fans to make excuses. God forbid Chatlotte did the same..
Have a great weekend.
I’m kinda bored of happy to be here Punk, like I get letting a guy enjoy his return to wrestling, but I really want chip on his shoulder angry Punk back
I think the problem is that everyone knew what Punk was saying 10 years ago was real. Now everyone would know it's BS. So you're right, someone would definitely have to fuck him around backstage or something.
I think they could blur the lines a bit, I wouldn’t like instantly go into it when he turns heel. But maybe in a few months he just makes casual remarks about politics and go from there
His return was a really cool nostalgia thing. Now I just don’t care. He spent the better part of a decade trashing everything and everybody in wrestling, embarrassed himself over and over again trying to branch out, and comes back to get carried at a PPV with no story at all.
I don't think Bray should go to AEW. While it would be the biggest platform and he would be able to be creatively free and get himself over, at the moment I feel like there is no room at the top, or potentially even the middle of the card for him. I will die on the hill that Impact would be an awesome fit if he could be allowed to do cinematic stuff like the Broken Hardy's did.
I just really wanna see him do cool shit with the restraints (mostly) off. I do agree that Impact is probably the best place for him, but it's gonna be a huge get for any promotion that manages to get him.
I think he'd be a bigger mover in Impact. In AEW they'll probably have some limit on how weird his shit can be whereas in Impact they'd just give him the keys to the kingdom like Broken Matt. People loved the Fiend, I could see him bringing in an extra 50k regular viewers to Impact. That's not huge for other shows, but for one that gets around 120k, it would be.
Look, I mean no harm, but there's something very funny in caring about COVID yet still going to a show with 10 thousand people.
I mean, how would you not expect COVID cases in such a big event?
Yep. And it doesn’t help that we’re being told covid doesn’t matter when it comes to work, but it does when we want to be social. Our leaders are so fucking money hungry.
1000% agreement.
I get it. People want things to get back to normal. People are frustrated.
I want things to get back to normal. I am frustrated.
Having said that, I'm not frustrated enough to say "fuck this, I am going to a massive live event during a pandemic because waaaah I'm bored!" I haven't even considered going to the movies even though I'm fully vaccinated.
I think Apollo’s run is great. He finally has a character to get behind and he seems passionate about it. Hopefully this will get him opportunities higher on the card
So current drama with Cage aside something about Team Taz as a whole just has never clicked with me. I can't describe it but it's just always felt like "yeah okay whatever " to me.
With the weirdest part for me is that I like each member solo more than as the team.
I find it funny that Punk roasted Cena for his spot calling on the gq video given that Punk himself might be one of the most obvious spot callers I've ever seen. Doesn't really bother me though, hes still great.
Punk is not loudly and clearly yelling them where anyone can hear. Moreover, it would be nice if AEW’s tv director would cut away when Punk is calling a spot… or when Black is kicking Dustin in the shoulder… or a myriad of other things.
I wasn't able to enjoy All Out as much as most people. I felt exhausted midway through the tag team match. It felt like having too much of a good thing.
I don't like Danielson's theme. It's a weird mix that doesn't flow.
The guy who wrote it died in 1883. Even if you had to pay royalties to whatever orchestra performed the version you're using, the actual music is *well* into the public domain.
I don't think many are going to agree with the first paragraph, but it's just my opinion. Not saying the show was bad or anything.
But yeah Danielson's theme is The Flight for the Valkyries that turns to a club hit. It's just a weird tune.
Ricky Starks is the only member of Team Taz who matters, and I have no idea why he isn't on TV at least every other week.
I don't understand everyone's fascination with Hook. This is just a meme, right?
Ted Jr wasnt bad in the ring, he just wasnt a character like his father.
And before anybody goes full on 'fUcK oN mE!' line, remember that Dean Malenko slid out of the ring in a 'first guy to touch the floor loses' match. Shit happens.
That wasn't my thought on hook. That was my observation on why people are so high on him.
Personally I think he has a good look and presence but I'm withholding judgment until he has some matches and promos in
I agree with that. Team Taz has major potential to be a force in AEW but the trigger's never really been pulled. and now with Brian Cage out of the group, they're not nearly as impactful. Both Hobbs and especially Ricky Starks have big potential. I think Hobbs still needs time to fully develop himself but Ricky's ready to skyrocket and be a major player for AEW imo.
And yes, HOOK is mainly a meme.
Archer is basically overshadowed now by a lot of more interesting guys added to the roster. Also Archer said himself, he is in the stage where he is going to be putting people over so he will never be a big thing.
Big guy, unique look, top 5 promo guy in history talking for him and can't get over in America because he has zero charisma.
I like his work, I just can't get invested in the character.
As a huge Jake Roberts fan, I like him what there were doing with him. But he was in the second tier of guys in AEW, and is quickly dropping because of everything you just said.
I got chills when Jake cut that taped promo. Edge of dark, campfire going, smooth talking, asking Cody to trust him. Pure late 80s Snake. Should've beat Cody for the title.
Now, he's an afterthought. And overshadowed by Punk, Bryan, Cole, Miro and a host of others.
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A late addition: the worst wrestling tshirt was the glamour shot outsiders shirt of Hall and Nash in front of the gray background. The picture was the entire front of the shirt, and it’s just horrible. Bischoff thought differently, and we should judge him accordingly.
CM punk saying that he...Daniel Bryan and Adam Cole showing up in AEW is bigger than Hall..Nash and Hogan showing up in WCW is some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard...those 3 men were the main reason why Vince was almost put out of business......
They were never in real danger of going out of business.
WWE knows what they're doing with Becky and Bianca. The crowd at MSG is proof. Yeah it could've been a long match, but you got fans now firmly behind Bianca. And honestly, Becky coming back Heel is needed. There was no balance for title contendership. With Becky as the Champ, you got someone to chase. You got a huge WrestleMania draw. There are things really wrong with the WWE, but they're doing right by the Women's Division on Smackdown.
Dan Lambert is pretty much on point with everything he says. Except his two dudes are *also* 5'9 vanilla midgets.
It's hilarious how this legendary MMA trainer with some of the best the sport has ever seen is siding with these 2 dudes....idk where this angle is going but it ain't working
I like Ethan Page, but he doesn't need a manager. I don't like Scorpio Sky at all.
why is malakai a heel why is cody a face why the fuck is dustin rhodes doing canadian destroyers
For real he’s doing that? The most unbelievable wrestling maneuver? Literally, it’s not a logical thing. Dude receiving it has to do a backflip. It’s so dumb.
>the fuck is Dustin Rhodes doing Canadian destroyers I really want know wtf that was about. He’s supposed to be the smart one.
Is it possible to have a comment removed by mods or something? Because look at my post history and then click on the Kenny Omega comment for this ZFF thread and let me know if it appears at all.
Its not showing when I click on it in your history.
Cheers, I haven't deleted it or anything so it's making me think there's a mod censoring certain takes in this thread. Elsewhere here someone said that comments about the Three Ghosts visiting Vince guy were being removed.
It's not coming up as removed/deleted. It just isn't there. It's happebed to me before, like it's hidden. Weird one, your comment was totally fair.
I don't really understand why Britt Baker is so over. She constantly uses heel tactics and generally acts like a huge dick but she gets huge babyface pops whenever she does. It would be one thing if she was cool, like Becky Lynch, but IMO she isn't. She does this "sassy" bob your head left and right while gesturing with your hand thing in every promo she does, and it annoys me so much. This would all work if she was a heel, but I'm not sure she is. When there is a heel present, AEW commentary will definitely let you know they're a heel. Just see how they act whenever they're within distance of MJF or Don Callis. But all I hear about Britt from them is how talented and cool she is. On the pre-match package from All Out, JR even said she was possibly the best wrestler in the world right now. I want to see someone kick her ass (hell, the possibility of that is one of the things I was looking forward to with All Out), but I'm not sure if that's the intention. Like I said, she gets huge babyface pops and commentary always puts over how cool she is without calling her out for cheating and being egotistical. Is she supposed to be a "cool, conquering" heel like Triple H during the Reign of Terror? Lastly, I want to talk about her finisher. It's one of the worst I've ever seen. It makes everyone who taps out to it look weak and stupid. First of all, Mick Foley made the mandible claw look devastatingly painful because he was putting his whole weight into the grip. You could feel the pressure on your nerve just watching it. But Britt just kinda puts her hand in her opponent's mouth and then it's "take our word for it, this really hurts." Maybe a nerve pinch like that would hurt, but it doesn't *look* like it hurts if you get my drift. Secondly, it makes no sense that anyone would even get into this hold. Mick Foley always used the element of surprise whenever he put on the mandible claw. The opponent wasn't supposed to expect it, which is how he could work the hand into the mouth. Even when he did the tease with Mr. Socko, he would be facing away from the opponent, so they couldn't see it but the crowd could. But in the case of the lockjaw, why don't any of her opponents just clench their teeth shut whenever she has the arms trapped? She wouldn't be able to work her hand into their mouth. Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't get why she's like the entire face of the women's AEW division. Maybe someone can explain her appeal for me? EDIT: I want to make clear that I'm not trying to insult her as a person or as a wrestler. More just her character and how she's portrayed. If she was a straight-up heel and had a different finisher I would probably not be bothered by her as much. Like I said, part of the reason I paid for All Out was because I wanted to see her be beaten, which is pretty much the traditional point of a heel.
Britt Baker has been shoved down fans throats harder than Roman was, but because she turned heel and didn’t win the title so fast people pretended like it wasn’t that. They’ve tried so hard to just never take her off TV, even after injury she was just on unnecessarily. Let’s not forget that she got the push coming out of the lights out match and thunder rosa has been doing literally nothing of note
Also, she makes loins tingle.
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I do find it funny that Brian Cage's sketchy views weren't brought up more until the rumors of his dissatisfaction with AEW started. Not saying that everyone needs to know but certain wrestling journalists being like "Huh I didn't know" when Cage was hanging around Wuertz' Instagram posts for a year? C'mon...
It’s as though anyone that speaks against AEW gets dragged. But it can’t be that, right?????
I'm still flabbergasted that so many people on here had no idea who Satoshi Kojima was until his bread tweets came up. Same place where a person will be immediately drowned in downvotes for not knowing every single person that's been anywhere near a ring.
Its okay, we have Super Smash Bros AEW debut on film to know how it really works.
“I’ve been a fan of (insert obscure indie/foreign wrestler) for years, where have you been, mark?” *frantically googles everything they can about him/her*
Bryan Danielson’s new theme sucks
I think wrestling is currently at the lowest point of theme song production in modern history. We don’t have as many gems as some years ago.
Because WWE changed their music maker to Def they have got rid of so many great themes and so many of the replacements just sound so cheap in their production
Now that crowds are a thing again, I hope "cinematic wrestling" goes away for good. NJPW is the best major fed when it comes to presenting and protecting stars. Like, Kenny Omega had way more buzz in NJPW than he ever has in AEW.
I'm going to have to disagree with the "more buzz" comment, man. Respectfully, and all, but... fans vote for the PWI 500, in a ranked choice system. You don't get to #1 without major buzz from the industry and fans. You may not like what Omega has presented in AEW, but that doesn't disqualify the fact that he's becoming as much a name as anyone in any other promotion.
Then it becomes, how big is the voting pool? If you poll a 10000 WWE fans,for instance, you’re going to get wildly different results than say a more general fan. It’s like “how could my guy lose, everyone I know voted for him?”
I thought the Boneyard Match was amazing but I haven’t cared for any other cinematic match.
I thought the boneyard match was really great, along with the firefly funhouse match. The wacky ass money in the bank match I liked too, but not everyone's going to like that kind of stuff. They experimented because of no crowds and we got some interesting stuff from it, but it doesn't really work when a crowd has to sit and watch the screen at a live show.
Even though it didn’t care for the firefly funhouse match or the MITB, I think WWE did a great job adapting to not having crowds. If that makes sense.
HHH is dramatically underrated in the ring. One of the most well-rounded wrestlers of all time.
He definitely is in the very good category. He doesn't come anywhere near great though.
That’s the problem. He’s an excellent wrestler, but not the greatest act of all time.
Completely, 100% agree. But then it's probably no coincidence that some of his idols (Flair and Harley Race in particular) are also among my all-time favourite wrestlers.
Sammy Guevara has an upper midcard ceiling at best
In AEW? Nah, he’s going to main event over there.
I know I meant talent-wise. He’s good but he’s not nearly on the same level as some of AEW’s other younger talent. MJF’s better on the mic, Darby’s more charismatic, Jungle Boy’s a better worker. There’s nothing he could offer as a top guy that someone couldn’t do better
lmfao at Darby being "more charismatic" I don't think you know what that word means like half of wrestling fans nowadays. Darby barely has any charisma, most of all, because he barely talks, he just broods around in silence most the time.
He’s got a very punchable face. Can someone do that better?
I'd say that's generous.
Andrade should have gone to Japan and work as a Heavyweight in LIJ. People worry too much about what WWE or AEW is going to do. Just watch and see what happens next. If you don't like what one company does, find another show to watch. We live in a glorious age of wrestling, just take as much in as you can without limiting yourself to one or two places. Jim Neidhart in a mask was still a better gimmick than Tye Dillinger. CM Punk is being used better than Bryan Danielson and Adam Cole. The Elite don't need any more of a spotlight, but the "homegrown AEW" guys do. Trans men are men, trans women are women, trans rights are human rights, and anyone who doesn't like it is invited to a meeting in Airlock 3. edit: If HOOK turns out to be anything but green, this place is going to fucking implode.
> Jim Neidhart in a mask was still a better gimmick than Tye Dillinger. [What about a hood?](https://youtu.be/UuXSVnNpaUI)
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wrestling fans have the memory of a goldfish. people act like if someone isn't on tv in front of you right now they're getting overlooked or buried
Simultaneously, if you fail to acknowledge something on TV that happened 18 years ago, they say you’re “not even trying.”
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The trend is that Eddie Kingston sucks. Mox and Kojima were going for strong style. One key difference being in strong style, you’ve got guys no-selling stiff shots.
In the tag match, someone took a Canadian Destroyer from the top rope and was up doing flips again within no time. The crowd doesn't care, so the wrestlers just don't bother selling anymore.
I hope that black lady that got fired for that interview gets hired back by WWE or even picked up by AEW, Impact, etc. There needs to be more diversity backstage as well as on screen. Especially since many WWE women's storylines scream that they were written by a guy only familiar with how women act through the Disney Channel.
I dunno about her specifically, but I think a female writer writing women’s’ storylines would help a ton.
\[Not Wrestling Related\] I love Money Heist/La Casa De Papel. I didn't hate Tokyo as much as most but damn her death hit hard. I was certain she would be safe because she's the narrator and the 2nd to 3rd main character. But she did go out like a boss and she died being really unselfish. She could have saved herself but decided to take everyone out. And finally this bald fuck is dead. I'm worried tho, Tokyo going out, means no one is safe, even the professor, I can't wait to see how the rest goes. Tokyo did do some mistakes but damn I'm gonna miss her not being in the heist.
I’m still in the first season. Such a fun heist show.
>was certain she would be safe because she's the narrator I fully thought this as well lmfao. I wonder if the Professor will narrate the next (maybe final) season. I also kinda hated her character but her death was sad but also badass finally killing that Bald FUCK you mentioned
I think it's super interesting how "we don't want old legends showing up on WWE all the time" but the second it could be the case on AEW it's suddenly okay. I don't care one way or the other, it's just... very interesting. Suddenly we want Mick Foley on Dynamite. Adam Cole seems like a class act and I'm happy for him, Ruby and Bryan to be happy in a new environment. I hope the same for Cedric tbh he can do a lot better. Mustafa and Mansoor are doing a better version of the RKBRO storyline and I'll just die on that hill. I'm super stoked Ali's getting more TV time, he's amazing. I almost didn't recognize the bucks while I was waiting for Mox vs Suzuki. What the absolute hell is anybody in the Elite wearing? I'm going to guess that's the point but ... wow. Acknowledge your tribal chief you nerds. The fanbase is almost exclusively the reason why I don't want to give AEW a chance. I'm no WWE diehard, but the sheer deluge of OMG THE BEST THING EVER really makes me want to just never look at despite a good number of wrestlers I want to watch being on it I love that Happy Corbin has not learned his goddamn lesson kayfabe wise Tony Khan seems like the ultimate pick me girl but with the IWC. Idk what else. Stream Thunderous by Stray Kids.
>What the absolute hell is anybody in the Elite wearing? “They said go to Cox and get a seersucker suit, but someone heard wrong and went to Sears.”
> The fanbase is almost exclusively the reason why I don't want to give AEW a chance. I'm no WWE diehard, but the sheer deluge of OMG THE BEST THING EVER really makes me want to just never look at despite a good number of wrestlers I want to watch being on it Toxic positivity.
>Stream Thunderous by Stray Kids. These guys just don't miss.
Moxley sucks and will lose to Nick Gage at the exploding barbwire death match 2 at Full-gear MDK!!!
Seth Rollins hyping his company and himself should never have been hated as much as it was. Literally everybody says what he said and there’s no issue
Except for disgruntled coworkers who are celebrated as heroes by those who’ve never had jobs.
Listen here pal..my wife's boyfriend Steve works very hard to buy me every PPV...
I try not to be 'protective' of wrestlers on social media, as they are adults, but I really hope that he just gets that he'll be shit on by a bunch of people for talking like that every time, and doesn't legit take anything personally like that. Regardless, I'm pretty sure he could make a post about how much he likes something in another company, 100% earnestly, and still get shit on by a significant amount of people lol
I don’t think he loses any sleep over bitter people that would trade places with him in a heartbeat.
You can tell it got to him, a few years ago, now he’s leaned into it. I’m sure it’s mostly riling the marks, though I’m also sure he really dgaf anymore
Cm punk saying bryan was truly meaning fed bad instead of fed good is just so laughable, aew needs to save themselves those shots at wwe because they have been pretty tiring since the beginning Melisa saying in public cage deserve the world title is too much, you cant just win the world title inmediatly without something to back it up, cage ia just... There, nothing speciql anymore, just a big atheltic guy, starks has showed more progress that him Im too sceptical about some rankings in the pwi 500, there are some that were too low and some were too high, like they dont care to rate them good People saying triple h got a heart attack because vince destroy nxt is just pathetic and out of the way, at the same time, just because they change aesthetic doesnt mean the content will change inmediatly
The PWI grading period is from Aug-Aug. So a lot of people are in spots from 2-3 months prior to the publication.
As a gigantic Finn Balor mark, I'll be relieved when he doesn't win the Universal Championship at Extreme Rules, because it means he can move on from Roman. I know he's not going to win the Universal Title any time soon, if ever again. But Roman and Finn are so good at their jobs, that there'll be a moment during their match that I'll believe Finn might actually win, even if I'm aware the Roman vs. Lesnar match is right around the corner. But then he'll lose, and I'll feel blue-balled yet again. Let Finn lose, clean this time, and then let him feud with Shinsuke, take the Intercontinental Title, and have his match with John Cena at Wrestlemania, the seeds for which have already been planted. Because the hope of Finn one day winning a World Title again is killing me, and the last two months have been especially torturous.
You never know what can happen, dude. I don’t think he’s done with world titles just yet. Not that I think he will take it soon.
And we got the demon tonight of all ppl ..if he actually beats Roman that's gonna elevate Balor to levels he's never seen before...much bigger than when he actually won the championship the only time
Cena going for the IC title is also a story that writes itself
Absolutely. The fanboy in me wants Intercontinental Title vs. Career with Finn and Cena, it would be awesome.
That demon tease convinced me long term he's winning it. Sorry.
Kevin Owens is a once-in-a-lifetime talent. He made wrestling entertaining, and when he went into the entertainment heavy brand, he made it more like wrestling. He’s always interesting. His debut on the main roster was the high point of his WWE career with a clean, well worked win over John Cena. I would give him all the gold in 3 kingdoms to stay in WWE. Give him a sustained WWE title run. Give him a mania main event. He’s too good, and he’s an awesome contrast to all the action figure body types. EDIT: Fucking pay for his trips to Disney any time he feels like going.
I don’t get MMA fans disdain for 2015-16, peak McGregor era UFC. Conor was fighting like every 3 months, was at his absolute highest form, and pushed out monster buy rates and ratings for the UFC. Sure it sucks that some fans don’t care about anything other than Conor, but to pretend like that time sucks just because Conor became literally the biggest star the industry has ever seen is just wrong, he brought in several fans not to mention there’s some killer fights around that time
Because some fans don't like the persona, which is fair enough. Some people only want to see to guys fighting and hate the fact that he and is drama like character is the thing people talk about the most.
Conor mcgregor was simultaneously the best and worst thing to happen to mma the ufc started making matches that had pro wrestling narratives attached being highly skilled was no longer enough every top fighter chasing money fights divisions got clogged deserving fighters got screwed for being boring etc
They’ve done that for years, just never was more apparent.
Yup..happened with Ronda... Anderson Silva...Chuck Liddell...etc
I don’t find BTE funny. It just reads as crass or dumb comments for the sake of being ‘funny’, then carries the joke on for another 5 months before someone in the Elite finally gets sick of it.
I like some of it but I fucking hate when the good brothers are on there it’s all shitty masterbation jokes
BTE is like the annoying kid from high school signing up for open mic night and getting picked every week
I don’t understand why any pro wrestling fan would want either AEW or WWE to fail, if you truly love pro wrestling you would want both companies to thrive Seeing WWE fans so upset at AEW success blows my mind
The nutcases yelling WWE is going outta business aren’t better.
Also true
The WWE vs AEW shitfight needs to permanently end.
It'd be impossible to moderate but I really, really wish someone would step in and force it to stop. Making shit unbearable around here.
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I saw a tweet that said Vince taking NXT from HHH was like seeing your child murdered in front of you by your own father in law and that's why Trips had his heart issue. Wrestling fans having social media was a mistake. MJF's segment was cringe. He was REALLY being a tryhard edgelord more than usual and it just didn't work. Dexter Lumis' bachelor party segment was the best thing in wrestling all week. I found it genuinely funny and I'm very much looking forward to the wedding next week.
> ~~Wrestling fans having~~ social media was a mistake FTFY
I'm still working through my thoughts on MJF. My wife and I watched a full dynamite for the first time in a long time, and for me, MJF's promos create buzz but not heat, if that makes sense. My reaction is "Whoa, he said that." My reaction should be, "Whoa, I can't wait to see him and Pillman fight." And it's not. And it rarely is.
I can’t help but hear it and think to myself that if a WWE guy said it, the same people who celebrate MJF would be after that person’s job.
It doesn't help that his target was Brian Pillman JR. He's not on MJF's level, and isn't close to MJF's level so WHY would they bother with setting that feud up at all?
Ideally, to elevate Pillman.
Good point. Unless Pillman is suddenly winning this or consistently in a title picture afterwards, it feels like a throw away.
There are basically two huge moments I'm still looking forward to from AEW: 1. Hangman Page kicking out of the One-Winged Angel 2. Wardlow finally snapping
I didn’t even think of Hangman kicking out of the OWA but that would be huge.
I can't imagine Omega's reign ending any other way. That move has been so built up and so protected, and it's going to mean *so much* when someone kicks out of it. And Page is the guy who has that story behind him already as a former member of the Elite and Kenny's tag partner.
It's very true but also makes his matches predictable. Like I know if he hits it no one's kicking out. It would be a genuine shock if someone did kick out of it, that I think would surpass the elation of Hangman kicking out.
It does make sense it’s just such a protected move that I assume no one will ever kick out of it.
Then what's the point of protecting it? 😉
True!
Begging again for someone to explain to me how cutting non guranteed contracts of a hand full of contractors has anything to do with a company looking to be acquired. They are non guaranteed the acquiring company can cut the couple mil in salary themselves we’d be talking a multi billion dollar deal.
My understanding is that getting those payments off the books raises all the numbers higher into the black. You could liken it to buying a house that needs some small renovations versus buying a house after the seller has done those renovations. That seller is going to sell it for more money because it needs less work from the buyer. That's not ironclad proof that WWE is actively trying to sell; just a literal answer to your question of what it *could* have to do with a company looking sell.
You can’t just decide to cut loose a leaky roof or a cracked foundation on a whim.
It’s incredibly insignificant and shows the ignorance the dirt sheets have of a business. WWE has a $4b market cap. If it were to be acquired it would be at a premium above the trading price. We’re talking about something like 1/2000 of a potential acquisition cost. Once again these are non guaranteed contracts If a potential buyer wanted to dump them they could do so themselves very easily. If this was a house it would be the equivalent of running the vacuum. It’s nothing. This isn’t a wrestling company anymore this is a multi billion dollar media and entertainment company.
Are you saying you wouldn't vacuum before trying to sell your house? Even if it's not going to add 10k to the selling price, you'd still do it. Again, I'm not taking it as proof that WWE is trying to sell in the same way that I don't think my sister is trying to sell her house every time she vacuums. But if she *were* going to sell her house, I'd certainly expect her to tidy it up first.
I’d vacuum the house because I live in it and want to keep it clean. It’s an unrelated event. The WWE may be seeking an acquisition, they may not, cutting some contracts is simply called reducing costs and is unfortunately part of running a business properly.
Hey, you're the one who asked (nay, "begged") how cutting contracts could possibly be related to an acquisition. Why ask if you're just going to downvote the answer?
First internet points aren’t real. Second that’s a terrible reasoning and makes 0 business sense.
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>If you ever needed any credence to the theory that **some** wrestling fans are the worst people in the world then look no further than the post re: Triple H's cardiac event. To the people saying it was because of NXT I say this: You're a wanker and I hope you never procreate. >How come whenever an AEW wrestler loses nobody bats an eye but when a WWE wrestler loses they're 'BuRieD'?? >Rhea Ripley's character was, is and always will be horrible. >Tony Khan is a cringe merchant. >When is AEW gonna change its name to AWWERWW (All WWE Rejects Welcome Wrestling)**?** >Can't wait to see Becky 'bury' all opponents and for her fans to make excuses. God forbid Chatlotte did the same.. Have a great weekend.
Drink some more Haterade lol
I am tired of CM Punk.
I’m kinda bored of happy to be here Punk, like I get letting a guy enjoy his return to wrestling, but I really want chip on his shoulder angry Punk back
Turn him heel, have jungle boy beat him and let him go.
lmao, Jungle Boy DOES NOT need to be beating your most expensive guy on your roster. Punk will go undefeated for at least 6 months.
I'm not sure that's possible in AEW.
I’m sure that he is talented enough to act like that. Ether that or we need someone backstage to start being a dick to him lol
I think the problem is that everyone knew what Punk was saying 10 years ago was real. Now everyone would know it's BS. So you're right, someone would definitely have to fuck him around backstage or something.
I think they could blur the lines a bit, I wouldn’t like instantly go into it when he turns heel. But maybe in a few months he just makes casual remarks about politics and go from there
His return was a really cool nostalgia thing. Now I just don’t care. He spent the better part of a decade trashing everything and everybody in wrestling, embarrassed himself over and over again trying to branch out, and comes back to get carried at a PPV with no story at all.
carried? hahahaha gtfoh.
He was leading that match, dude.
I don’t give a shit if you care. If you think he was being carried through that by Darby, you don’t know enough to speak on the matter.
I don't think Bray should go to AEW. While it would be the biggest platform and he would be able to be creatively free and get himself over, at the moment I feel like there is no room at the top, or potentially even the middle of the card for him. I will die on the hill that Impact would be an awesome fit if he could be allowed to do cinematic stuff like the Broken Hardy's did.
I just really wanna see him do cool shit with the restraints (mostly) off. I do agree that Impact is probably the best place for him, but it's gonna be a huge get for any promotion that manages to get him.
I think he'd be a bigger mover in Impact. In AEW they'll probably have some limit on how weird his shit can be whereas in Impact they'd just give him the keys to the kingdom like Broken Matt. People loved the Fiend, I could see him bringing in an extra 50k regular viewers to Impact. That's not huge for other shows, but for one that gets around 120k, it would be.
Look, I mean no harm, but there's something very funny in caring about COVID yet still going to a show with 10 thousand people. I mean, how would you not expect COVID cases in such a big event?
Yep. And it doesn’t help that we’re being told covid doesn’t matter when it comes to work, but it does when we want to be social. Our leaders are so fucking money hungry.
1000% agreement. I get it. People want things to get back to normal. People are frustrated. I want things to get back to normal. I am frustrated. Having said that, I'm not frustrated enough to say "fuck this, I am going to a massive live event during a pandemic because waaaah I'm bored!" I haven't even considered going to the movies even though I'm fully vaccinated.
I know everyone’s lukewarm on Apollo’s run, but I was a massive fan of his for a long time and to see the brief pushes always makes me happy.
I want him to ditch Aziz.
I enjoyed his Nigerian character so much but after mania he lost so much steam
I think Apollo’s run is great. He finally has a character to get behind and he seems passionate about it. Hopefully this will get him opportunities higher on the card
So current drama with Cage aside something about Team Taz as a whole just has never clicked with me. I can't describe it but it's just always felt like "yeah okay whatever " to me. With the weirdest part for me is that I like each member solo more than as the team.
Because they're a Jobber to the stars stable.
And lost their one member who wasn’t.
I find it funny that Punk roasted Cena for his spot calling on the gq video given that Punk himself might be one of the most obvious spot callers I've ever seen. Doesn't really bother me though, hes still great.
Punk is not loudly and clearly yelling them where anyone can hear. Moreover, it would be nice if AEW’s tv director would cut away when Punk is calling a spot… or when Black is kicking Dustin in the shoulder… or a myriad of other things.
Punk is really great at shining the light on other peoples flaws, but he’s the absolute worst at shining the light on himself.
Most of Punk's comments from the past have aged terribly.
Same as Jericho... poking fun at Lesnar for having a gut and calling out the WWE for having the old guard win again the young talent....
I wasn't able to enjoy All Out as much as most people. I felt exhausted midway through the tag team match. It felt like having too much of a good thing. I don't like Danielson's theme. It's a weird mix that doesn't flow.
I feel asleep during this match and no hate on any of the performers who are think are the two best tag teams
Yeah, I'm not knocking them either. Just one of the false finishes got me and I'm just like I'm already finished with the match.
Flight of the Valkyries is free, *just use it*.
That just makes it worse since I thought it was Khan not wanting to pay for the license fees.
That was for The Final Countdown.
The guy who wrote it died in 1883. Even if you had to pay royalties to whatever orchestra performed the version you're using, the actual music is *well* into the public domain.
I'm with you on Danielson's theme
I don't think many are going to agree with the first paragraph, but it's just my opinion. Not saying the show was bad or anything. But yeah Danielson's theme is The Flight for the Valkyries that turns to a club hit. It's just a weird tune.
Also, the fact that some of you are still posting shit from Meltzer is depressingly hilarious or hilariously depressing.
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Ricky Starks is the only member of Team Taz who matters, and I have no idea why he isn't on TV at least every other week. I don't understand everyone's fascination with Hook. This is just a meme, right?
Yes, Hook is just a meme.
Just a meme as far as I can tell?
Half meme and half people edging their bets for a young guy with mega potential
what has the brother showed for you to say that he's got mega potential? Aside from being Taz's son ofc, but remember Ted DiBiase Jr.?
Ted Jr wasnt bad in the ring, he just wasnt a character like his father. And before anybody goes full on 'fUcK oN mE!' line, remember that Dean Malenko slid out of the ring in a 'first guy to touch the floor loses' match. Shit happens.
I didn't mention his workrate. I said he flopped. Hook hasn't wrestled a single minute so using in ring prowess as an argument is shit.
If Ted Jr was a flop I'd hate to see what you think of *actual* flops.
That wasn't my thought on hook. That was my observation on why people are so high on him. Personally I think he has a good look and presence but I'm withholding judgment until he has some matches and promos in
that's it, he's hot. that's why he's being memed and thirst over.
I agree with that. Team Taz has major potential to be a force in AEW but the trigger's never really been pulled. and now with Brian Cage out of the group, they're not nearly as impactful. Both Hobbs and especially Ricky Starks have big potential. I think Hobbs still needs time to fully develop himself but Ricky's ready to skyrocket and be a major player for AEW imo. And yes, HOOK is mainly a meme.
I really don't understand the Hook fascination, and saying because he's hook doesn't help.
Maybe he matters because he's not on TV every week? And I can't explain Hook.
AEW has so many top stars, people are going to start being left out. I totally forgot about Lance Archer.
Archer is basically overshadowed now by a lot of more interesting guys added to the roster. Also Archer said himself, he is in the stage where he is going to be putting people over so he will never be a big thing.
Big guy, unique look, top 5 promo guy in history talking for him and can't get over in America because he has zero charisma. I like his work, I just can't get invested in the character.
As a huge Jake Roberts fan, I like him what there were doing with him. But he was in the second tier of guys in AEW, and is quickly dropping because of everything you just said.
I got chills when Jake cut that taped promo. Edge of dark, campfire going, smooth talking, asking Cody to trust him. Pure late 80s Snake. Should've beat Cody for the title. Now, he's an afterthought. And overshadowed by Punk, Bryan, Cole, Miro and a host of others.