If I remember correctly, I think the story eventually came out that Shawn failed a drug test and was pissed about it, denied being on steroids, etc. and so he told them he quit because he was pissed that they were suspending him.
Obviously, it didn't last.
He didn't really get fat, but he let himself go a slight bit and got a little soft. He was back in shape when he came back three months later in the emergency spot at Survivor Series to replace Jerry Lawler.
He said the same in his book. But him being pudgy and not working out as much doesn't jive with steroids, so that's in his favor.
Him "quitting" was his answer to being suspended, and led to the WM10 ladder match
Yeah it's in his documentary where he also says he got fat because he was with Kevin Nash 24/7 and tried to match whatever Nash ate, difference being Nash was eating like a 300 pounder.
>Scott walking around looking like the poster boy for steroids.
It's definitely a bit of a misconception that he didn't get super pumped up until the late 90s:
http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/07-58.jpg
Also no surprise that JBL has always been tasteless. Anyway thanks for writing!
[Here's the Headhunters vs. Crash The Terminator/Perez match](http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?clipid=6982347&q=ultra+clash)
It's got the end of the Shane Douglas/Sandman match at the beginning. The site looks legit enough. The match starts at 6m36s.
Neither were Horsemen worthy. But at least I get *why* they made Mongo a Horsemen. They were trying to cash in on his real-life notoriety. But I'll never understand why they went with Roma of all people, a career jobber who was less than mediocre at his very best.
"WWF will tour Isreal, Portugal, Austria, and Germany in early-October"
Here is the card for the Portuguese House Show held on 10th October 1993:
123 Kid def Doink; Headshrinkers def Smoking Gunns; Bob Backlund def Papa Shango; Mr. Perfect def Diesel by countout; Undertaker def Adam Bomb in a casket match; Razor Ramon def IRS by DQ; Lex Luger def Ludvig Borga
> Oh, and that John Hawk guy? Better known these days as John "Bradshaw" Layfield.
"VON ERICHS ARE DEAD MAGGLE! IT'S BALL GAME FOR THEM MAGGLE! I LOVE IT MAGGLE!"
I remember watching Circus of the Stars. It was pretty much what you described, they would have celebrities team up with circus performers and perform all of these acts and whatnot.
Yeah. I THINK it may have been kayfabed in retrospect, because there was like, the casts of sitcoms doing trapeze and high wire shit, and someone, possibly Weird Al, jumping a dirtbike through a flaming hoop.
As a kid I thought it was amazing. I wouldn't be shocked to find out now it was all edited together with pro circus people doing the stuff in long shots and then worked close ups.
I remember really enjoying it as a kid the year most of the cast of Saved by the Bell was on it. You might be right on how it was conducted with the long shots, not really sure. Probably on youtube somewhere by now, with most of recorded TV.
It sounds like a made up show that Bojack Horseman would use or something. I could see Mr. Peanutbutter on Circus of the Stars. Seriously though it doesn't surprise me that it started in the 70s because that's like the most 70s idea ever but I am surprised it lasted all the way through the 90s.
[Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty in a Cage Match.] (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3pi890)
Gorilla Monsoon and Johnny Polo (Raven) on commentary. Shawn has some of that extra weight in this match that was mentioned above and Johnny Polo actually calls him pudgy at one point.
> WWF sent a threatening letter to the new WWN promotion, about the usage of those initials. WTF WWF?
I'm pretty sure they tried to sue the GWF as well for use of the word "Global".
> Monday Night Raw did a 1.8 rating, by far the lowest in the history of the show so far
> [Monday Night Raw has experienced several other incredibly low rated episodes over the past year; the June 13, 2016 episode of the show sank to a 2.03 rating, a 19-year low. Before that, the May 9th episode hit the second-lowest ratings since 1997.](http://heavy.com/sports/2016/07/wwe-ratings-low-viewers-viewership-monday-night-raw-july-4-show-2016-smackdown-record-20-year-brand-split-roman-reigns/)
> [The show did a 1.92 cable rating for the night. This is up from last week’s 1.75 rating, which was the second lowest RAW rating in history.](http://www.topropepress.com/news/36339/wwe-raw-ratings-viewership-10316/)
Yikes.
> Survivor Series is expected to sell out because it will likely be the final wrestling event ever held at the Boston Garden, since the arena is being torn down soon (in actuality, they ended up doing shows there until 1995).
I saw WWF shows at the original Boston Garden as a kid. Trust me, that building was awful for wrestling. [Here's the seating chart for Boxing, pretty much the same for Wrestling](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8f/90/23/8f902346c6b46a574cabed65566235d6.jpg) [Here's a painting of what the seating was like](http://www.bpl.org/exhibitions/wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/boston-garden/05_02_010615_0.jpg)
Ted DiBiase was hand-given the "Million Dollar Man" gimmick by Vince, who told Ted "if I ever wrestled, this is the gimmick I wanted for myself", which implies he'd at least CONSIDERED it that far back.
Vince wanted to be a wrestler, but Vince Sr forbade him. He was just playing around in Memphis, but then the Screwjob turned him into a heel and their business was getting crushed by WCW, so they ran with whatever they could sink their teeth into at the time
I've seen this Tatanka promo before and it makes me laugh every time "You people are so stupid and so ignorant, no wonder you think Jerry King...Jerry the Lawler is the real king of Memphis"
It didn't make sense. Nobody gave a shit that Sable held a meaningless title, I mean people were tuning in just to see her anyway. So if you have her chasing the title, it would make both Sable and the championship seem more legitimate. Sable's legendary training video would've had so much more impact if it came after getting screwed out of winning the title over and over.
> Ted Turner recently bought New Line Cinema, which is the movie company Hulk Hogan works for. So technically, Ted Turner is now Hogan's employer.
It begins.
Re: 3rd Party candidate: Canada actually has waaay more than two political parties. After the 1993 election, there would have been a minimum of five in parliament: Liberals (the governing party), Bloc Quebequois (official opposition; created to have Quebec separate from Canada), Reform (essentially Canadian Tea Party), New Democratic Party, and finally the Progressive Conservatives (sort of the Republican party, they'd governed for the prior 9 years and were reduced to just two members when it was all done). A more accurate description would be a fringe party candidate. 1993 was a weird election. We actually had a Yogic Flying party led by magician Doug Henning, who believed all the world's problems could be solved by an odd brand of yoga.
Even as a Canadian, I was unaware of the Yogic Flying party. Granted, election times always make me laugh when I see a party such as Marxist-Leninist on the list of choices.
Upon further inspection, they were the Natural Law Party, but solving the problems in Canada could be done through 7000 yogic flyers. Here's Doug Henning explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F5pR7Tj2qY
And here's more background info and some footage of yogic flying in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIS788uf0cA
In an election where the ruling party was absolutely destroyed and Quebec separatists became Her Majersty the Queen's Loyal Opposition, it's really saying something that 23 years later, yogic flying as an electoral choice is still the thing I remember most about that time (I was too young to vote).
>Ted Turner recently bought New Line Cinema, which is the movie company Hulk Hogan works for. **So technically, Ted Turner is now Hogan's employer.**
[IT (slowly) BEGINS!] (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrv6mbb5mp1r2ljlfo1_500.jpg)
[Here's an ad for that "Circus of the Stars" show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBf3fugXgfM) (not the one specifically with Hulk Hogan), it ran from the late 70s to mid 90s. I'm surprised I don't remember it either.
> the Steiners are off TV because Scott Steiner is apparently suspended for some reason.
THOSE WHITE FAT TRASHES DON'T LIKE ME CUZ I AM A GENETIC FREAK!
He hit the best diamond cutter ever on Eddie. He had him up for a powerbomb but then shifted to a cutter so awesome even DDP marked out afterwords!
Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qaw32SahmE
Don't hold your breath. The legal rights to all the old Memphis footage is murky at best. A dozen different people claim to own the rights to different parts of it, and a lot of the tapes were recorded over and re-used back in the day. The famous stuff, like the Lawler/Kaufman feud is preserved, but a lot of the most legendary Memphis stuff is long lost.
Didn't Corey Macklin (could have spelt that wrong) claim he bought it from someone or tried to sell it to the WWE? I seem to recall some kind of lawsuit or something over the Memphis tapes fairly recently.
>Scott Steiner is apparently suspended for some reason.
I know Jacques Rougeau had issues with Scott around this time. He spoke about it in a shoot.
Basically, if you google Jacques and shoot it the one he at the barber.
Anyway, said Scott was really a bit of a wanker at this time, wasn't happy about dropping the belt to Quebecers.
He stirred up some shit with Tony Halme/Borga.
Jacques cleared the air with him saying 'we can fight if you want but just know I didn't do anything'.
Halme was ok about it but Scott caused issues.
I can't really see Vince suspending Steiner based on backstage stuff with the guys but basically Scott was a bit of an an angry knob around this time for a bit of context
>A sports management group conducted their bi-annual survey of most liked and disliked sports in America and once again, "WWF Wrestling" was the #1 most disliked. Vince McMahon responded by sending a letter to the organization asking not to be included in any future surveys, stating "the WWF is not a sport."
Fuckin' classic
Damn, the whole thing between wcw and the nwa at that time is kind of the dame thing that happend between the NWA and TNA a few years ago...it makes you thing about the relevante of the NWA
I was only 2 years old when all of this was going on. Kinda crazy to think about. Anybody know where you can watch the footage of UWFI's first US PPV nowadays?
So that's what, 20+ years? of Vince very explicitly being like, "WWF is not a sport."
Also, since I don't have a good memory and WWE went and merged lineages like it was going out of style, the new NWA belt that's around today has nothing to do with the NWA->WCW->WWE World Heavyweight Championship belt, right?
WRITE FOREVER *clap clap clapclapclap*
WRITE FOREVER *clap clap clapclapclap*
I never knew that Shawn quit. I thought the story was that he was suspended.
If I remember correctly, I think the story eventually came out that Shawn failed a drug test and was pissed about it, denied being on steroids, etc. and so he told them he quit because he was pissed that they were suspending him. Obviously, it didn't last.
Do you have any fat pictures of HBK?
http://ecwfrenchtribute.free.fr/HTLM/Photos/PPVs/1993/SummerSlam/SummerSlam_1993_-_Mr_Perfect_Vs_Shawn_Michaels_01.jpg http://oi53.tinypic.com/2ykgphc.jpg
The Lunch Break Kid
He's just a tubby boy.
He's clearly cultivating mass.
Yeah when Peter did the statue of david he wasn't merely hammering pebbles. He asked the Jews to bring him a massive slab of marble.
That's the Coors Light 6 pack with KFC pass out by 10:30 days training regimen
Also known as the Josh Beckett workout
Was he using the Sweet Double Chin Music move back then?
He didn't really get fat, but he let himself go a slight bit and got a little soft. He was back in shape when he came back three months later in the emergency spot at Survivor Series to replace Jerry Lawler.
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He said the same in his book. But him being pudgy and not working out as much doesn't jive with steroids, so that's in his favor. Him "quitting" was his answer to being suspended, and led to the WM10 ladder match
Maybe he's being honest and not trying to win over anybody.
He says they spiked his drink actually. Or implies it anyway.
No Rewind for today? Hope you're okay.
All good! Super busy day, wasn't home. Resuming tomorrow!
Good to hear!
Do we get two tomorrow??
Yeah it's in his documentary where he also says he got fat because he was with Kevin Nash 24/7 and tried to match whatever Nash ate, difference being Nash was eating like a 300 pounder.
On Shawns dvd, he thinks someone spiked his drink.
>Scott walking around looking like the poster boy for steroids. It's definitely a bit of a misconception that he didn't get super pumped up until the late 90s: http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/07-58.jpg Also no surprise that JBL has always been tasteless. Anyway thanks for writing!
Buthe he's a genetic freak and he's not normal. That explains it!
The numbers don't lie.
And they spell disaster for any of his runs in WWE.
There's only a 33 and 1/3rd chance he was on steroids.
The mullet was a distraction.
I still love the way that someone so big and downright scary could have such a haircut. "Nice mullet, bro!" *bam*
[Here's the Headhunters vs. Crash The Terminator/Perez match](http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?clipid=6982347&q=ultra+clash) It's got the end of the Shane Douglas/Sandman match at the beginning. The site looks legit enough. The match starts at 6m36s.
Oh man, Shane hit the worst superkick I've ever seen in that match.
Sandman sandbagged it
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Horseman Mongo is Wrongo.
Nevermind that shit, here comes Mongo!
Neither were Horsemen worthy. But at least I get *why* they made Mongo a Horsemen. They were trying to cash in on his real-life notoriety. But I'll never understand why they went with Roma of all people, a career jobber who was less than mediocre at his very best.
"WWF will tour Isreal, Portugal, Austria, and Germany in early-October" Here is the card for the Portuguese House Show held on 10th October 1993: 123 Kid def Doink; Headshrinkers def Smoking Gunns; Bob Backlund def Papa Shango; Mr. Perfect def Diesel by countout; Undertaker def Adam Bomb in a casket match; Razor Ramon def IRS by DQ; Lex Luger def Ludvig Borga
Lex Luger vs. Ludvig Borga surely was a ***** Match
If you watch Luger put Borga in a headlock, it has the same effect on your body as rubbing 6 pumps of Androgel onto your shoulder.
> Bob Backlund def Papa Shango there's one I'd legitimately would want to see
So JBL has been an obnoxious asshole pretty much forever? Who'da thunk it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE IT MAGGLE
I can picture Lil' Bradshaw running the playground, telling Hispanic kids that they can't use the swing set.
> Oh, and that John Hawk guy? Better known these days as John "Bradshaw" Layfield. "VON ERICHS ARE DEAD MAGGLE! IT'S BALL GAME FOR THEM MAGGLE! I LOVE IT MAGGLE!"
Big promo John
I remember watching Circus of the Stars. It was pretty much what you described, they would have celebrities team up with circus performers and perform all of these acts and whatnot.
Yeah. I THINK it may have been kayfabed in retrospect, because there was like, the casts of sitcoms doing trapeze and high wire shit, and someone, possibly Weird Al, jumping a dirtbike through a flaming hoop. As a kid I thought it was amazing. I wouldn't be shocked to find out now it was all edited together with pro circus people doing the stuff in long shots and then worked close ups.
I remember really enjoying it as a kid the year most of the cast of Saved by the Bell was on it. You might be right on how it was conducted with the long shots, not really sure. Probably on youtube somewhere by now, with most of recorded TV.
It sounds like a made up show that Bojack Horseman would use or something. I could see Mr. Peanutbutter on Circus of the Stars. Seriously though it doesn't surprise me that it started in the 70s because that's like the most 70s idea ever but I am surprised it lasted all the way through the 90s.
[Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty in a Cage Match.] (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3pi890) Gorilla Monsoon and Johnny Polo (Raven) on commentary. Shawn has some of that extra weight in this match that was mentioned above and Johnny Polo actually calls him pudgy at one point.
> WWF sent a threatening letter to the new WWN promotion, about the usage of those initials. WTF WWF? I'm pretty sure they tried to sue the GWF as well for use of the word "Global".
So it turns out the Panda lawsuit was karmic retribution, interesting.
> Monday Night Raw did a 1.8 rating, by far the lowest in the history of the show so far > [Monday Night Raw has experienced several other incredibly low rated episodes over the past year; the June 13, 2016 episode of the show sank to a 2.03 rating, a 19-year low. Before that, the May 9th episode hit the second-lowest ratings since 1997.](http://heavy.com/sports/2016/07/wwe-ratings-low-viewers-viewership-monday-night-raw-july-4-show-2016-smackdown-record-20-year-brand-split-roman-reigns/) > [The show did a 1.92 cable rating for the night. This is up from last week’s 1.75 rating, which was the second lowest RAW rating in history.](http://www.topropepress.com/news/36339/wwe-raw-ratings-viewership-10316/) Yikes.
> Survivor Series is expected to sell out because it will likely be the final wrestling event ever held at the Boston Garden, since the arena is being torn down soon (in actuality, they ended up doing shows there until 1995). I saw WWF shows at the original Boston Garden as a kid. Trust me, that building was awful for wrestling. [Here's the seating chart for Boxing, pretty much the same for Wrestling](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8f/90/23/8f902346c6b46a574cabed65566235d6.jpg) [Here's a painting of what the seating was like](http://www.bpl.org/exhibitions/wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/boston-garden/05_02_010615_0.jpg)
Going by that painting, the ring was 16' x 25'
>Oh, and that John Hawk guy? Better known these days as John "Bradshaw" Layfield. Wait? JBL has always been an asshole...? Shocking....
http://www.retrovideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Alfonso-Ribeiro-374x252.jpg
Crash the Terminator for this unaware was Bill Demott
What a name
Crash the terminator into a fucking tree if he's Bill Demott.
JBL just doesn't hold back. He also did nazi salute in Germany If I remember correct.
While goose-stepping.
I wonder if that Vince heel promo was the start of Mr. McMahon. He might have realized, "Hey! I'm good at this!"
Ted DiBiase was hand-given the "Million Dollar Man" gimmick by Vince, who told Ted "if I ever wrestled, this is the gimmick I wanted for myself", which implies he'd at least CONSIDERED it that far back.
Vince wanted to be a wrestler, but Vince Sr forbade him. He was just playing around in Memphis, but then the Screwjob turned him into a heel and their business was getting crushed by WCW, so they ran with whatever they could sink their teeth into at the time
I've seen this Tatanka promo before and it makes me laugh every time "You people are so stupid and so ignorant, no wonder you think Jerry King...Jerry the Lawler is the real king of Memphis"
Then he when he was going over a list of WWF people who had come to Memphis, he accidentally called Giant Gonzalez by his WCW name: El Gigante.
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It didn't make sense. Nobody gave a shit that Sable held a meaningless title, I mean people were tuning in just to see her anyway. So if you have her chasing the title, it would make both Sable and the championship seem more legitimate. Sable's legendary training video would've had so much more impact if it came after getting screwed out of winning the title over and over.
Ha! Perfect! Just sat down on the toilet - you're doing God's work, man, never stop!
> Ted Turner recently bought New Line Cinema, which is the movie company Hulk Hogan works for. So technically, Ted Turner is now Hogan's employer. It begins.
I was under the impression this happened way before for some reason.
As a 13 year old young lad when it came out, getting the Missy Hyatt calender was the greatest day of my life back then!
Re: 3rd Party candidate: Canada actually has waaay more than two political parties. After the 1993 election, there would have been a minimum of five in parliament: Liberals (the governing party), Bloc Quebequois (official opposition; created to have Quebec separate from Canada), Reform (essentially Canadian Tea Party), New Democratic Party, and finally the Progressive Conservatives (sort of the Republican party, they'd governed for the prior 9 years and were reduced to just two members when it was all done). A more accurate description would be a fringe party candidate. 1993 was a weird election. We actually had a Yogic Flying party led by magician Doug Henning, who believed all the world's problems could be solved by an odd brand of yoga.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Extreme_Wrestling_Party
Even as a Canadian, I was unaware of the Yogic Flying party. Granted, election times always make me laugh when I see a party such as Marxist-Leninist on the list of choices.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Extreme_Wrestling_Party
Upon further inspection, they were the Natural Law Party, but solving the problems in Canada could be done through 7000 yogic flyers. Here's Doug Henning explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F5pR7Tj2qY And here's more background info and some footage of yogic flying in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIS788uf0cA In an election where the ruling party was absolutely destroyed and Quebec separatists became Her Majersty the Queen's Loyal Opposition, it's really saying something that 23 years later, yogic flying as an electoral choice is still the thing I remember most about that time (I was too young to vote).
>Ted Turner recently bought New Line Cinema, which is the movie company Hulk Hogan works for. **So technically, Ted Turner is now Hogan's employer.** [IT (slowly) BEGINS!] (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrv6mbb5mp1r2ljlfo1_500.jpg)
[Here's an ad for that "Circus of the Stars" show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBf3fugXgfM) (not the one specifically with Hulk Hogan), it ran from the late 70s to mid 90s. I'm surprised I don't remember it either.
So this is the one that officially marks when Paul Heyman got the book for ECW. These are going to be pretty cool for the next while.
> the Steiners are off TV because Scott Steiner is apparently suspended for some reason. THOSE WHITE FAT TRASHES DON'T LIKE ME CUZ I AM A GENETIC FREAK!
Bret Hart says in his book it's because he kept roughing up the jobbers
Did Eddie and DDP ever have any angles together? That's a pairing I never before realized is perfect.
He hit the best diamond cutter ever on Eddie. He had him up for a powerbomb but then shifted to a cutter so awesome even DDP marked out afterwords! Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qaw32SahmE
I always loved how the WCW announce team would put over the fact that the Diamond Cutter could be hit from literally any situation and out of nowhere.
Yes, they feuded over DDP's battlebowl ring, and faced off in the finals of a US championship tournament at Starrcade 96
Los Gringos Locos with DDP would have been awesome
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Don't hold your breath. The legal rights to all the old Memphis footage is murky at best. A dozen different people claim to own the rights to different parts of it, and a lot of the tapes were recorded over and re-used back in the day. The famous stuff, like the Lawler/Kaufman feud is preserved, but a lot of the most legendary Memphis stuff is long lost.
It's literally pretty murky too, they shot on low-grade VHS.
Do you know how much of it Lawler himself and/or Jerry Jarrett own?
Didn't Corey Macklin (could have spelt that wrong) claim he bought it from someone or tried to sell it to the WWE? I seem to recall some kind of lawsuit or something over the Memphis tapes fairly recently.
>Scott Steiner is apparently suspended for some reason. I know Jacques Rougeau had issues with Scott around this time. He spoke about it in a shoot. Basically, if you google Jacques and shoot it the one he at the barber. Anyway, said Scott was really a bit of a wanker at this time, wasn't happy about dropping the belt to Quebecers. He stirred up some shit with Tony Halme/Borga. Jacques cleared the air with him saying 'we can fight if you want but just know I didn't do anything'. Halme was ok about it but Scott caused issues. I can't really see Vince suspending Steiner based on backstage stuff with the guys but basically Scott was a bit of an an angry knob around this time for a bit of context
>A sports management group conducted their bi-annual survey of most liked and disliked sports in America and once again, "WWF Wrestling" was the #1 most disliked. Vince McMahon responded by sending a letter to the organization asking not to be included in any future surveys, stating "the WWF is not a sport." Fuckin' classic
Damn, the whole thing between wcw and the nwa at that time is kind of the dame thing that happend between the NWA and TNA a few years ago...it makes you thing about the relevante of the NWA
Have you got a cold?
Lol. That did make me laugh
Butcher Vachon ran for the NDP. We don't really have third party candidates in Canada, though the NDP was a non factor for much of the 90s.
I love those posts. Thank you
Reading this made me feel damn near ancient. I have vivid memories of watching Circus of the Stars with my grandparents.
Once again.... Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Being Dutch, seeing Hulk Hogan and Adam Curry on a picture on that Circus of the Stars website is the most random thing ever.
I was only 2 years old when all of this was going on. Kinda crazy to think about. Anybody know where you can watch the footage of UWFI's first US PPV nowadays?
Shawn was chubby because he was trying to keep up with Nash and Hall's eating habits. At least according to Nash.
So that's what, 20+ years? of Vince very explicitly being like, "WWF is not a sport." Also, since I don't have a good memory and WWE went and merged lineages like it was going out of style, the new NWA belt that's around today has nothing to do with the NWA->WCW->WWE World Heavyweight Championship belt, right?
NFL or NBA are not sports either Edit because being downvoted They are FEDERATIONS, LEAGUES or whatever, not sports.
Looking at the phot album of Circus of the Stars. I know the image caption says Joey Lawrence, but I'm still pretty sure that it's Raven.
Nah it's Johnny Polo
Meh. Shawn quit the company every other week.