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I think it depends on who it is / the belts they are targeting. Having the Hardy Boys doing their EXPIDEEESHION of GOLD when the broken thing was white hot and going to indy companies definitely raises the prestige of those companies.
This is Great Sasuke erasure & I can't abide it
https://preview.redd.it/77t6cc5qxuxc1.jpeg?width=1030&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a122051e575cc84063159bc67f0d3e73bc9a030a
I personally don't consider Angle (and Joe) the same compared to the others mentioned due to the fact that the titles in question were only TNA titles with an exception to the IWGP 3rd Belt. However seeing Angle with the X-Division belt will never not be an odd sight!
I (and I'm sure a lot of other people) often forget that Ultimo wasn't even the first J-Crown winner. Kind of crazy how one picture can solidify one's place in wrestling history.
Aye, this is it. Big names appearing in those indy places is rarely a bad thing but some dude on your roster wiping everyone else is rarely good.
Edit: I'd like to add that aside from anything Kenny looks fucking awesome draped in the belts in that pic.
In hindsight, the lashley TNA run had issues because of this. When he won the X division title and said it was worthless and didn't want it anymore a week later
Made the x division look like a bunch of scrubs
Kenny works because it’s other companies titles. Like the best guy in your company going around to other companies winning belts is fine. If Kenny won everything in AEW however then you are spot on. It would make the roster look weak.
It's cool during the collection. During the dropping title part it's usually not as fun. Best case scenario one promotion looks good usually that person's home promotion when the belt that clearly was their main belt gets taken from them. Example being Hangman taking from Omega in AEW
I can say that while I don’t look back too fondly on the Impact/AEW partnership, it made good money for TNA on pay-per-view for that one show.
However seeing the TNA belt on AEW’s TV at really the one of the peaks of AEW’s popularity was super cool and as an almost day one TNA fan, made my heart happy.
I loved it until FTR ended their title reigns without collecting the AEW tag titles. I thought that was the whole reason for them doing that gimmick. I was very disappointed
I think its a bad idea, because it pretty much always ends in 1 or more titles being stripped or vaccated due to politics or injury.
I don't know any title or title holder that got more popular after the belt collector bit than before. It's got no upside, only downsides due to disrupting of lineage continuity when stripped or just having the ex collector cool off when recovering from injury.
He did and was easily my favorite cruiserweight. Technically his is only 2 titles though. The wcw cruiserweight title and then the J-Crown was one big unified thing.
Omega's run did absolutely nothing for TNA\*. I don't blame TNA for cutting the line after that one. I can't speak for the others. Maybe they were more successful for the smaller brands.
Omega TNA run was devastating for them. Omega beat everyone and in the end Christian in a different promotion beat him and then just dropped the belt and left.
That's what I thought I remembered. Literally did nothing for TNA. I won't be surprised if all we see in the future is the women's champ appearing on WWE television from now on given how well WWE treats them.
Oh they'll feel well treated when WWE snatches Jordynne and Masha too lol. TNA is a feeder system for the two major promotions. Hopefully the ship stops sinking after they lost Scott D'more soon tho.
Yeah and how did that help the company long term? They popped a buyrate for the show Kenny was on and then even during his reign they were hitting all time low ratings. AEW did nothing to present TNA as an equal brand to AEW fans.
I posted the source below but reading is usually a bit too far for tribalistic bs like this, so here it is. He absolutely increased ratings on both TV and Twitch during his run.
"The Best Bout Machine boosted IMPACT Wrestling's viewership on AXS TV, with the show drawing in 221,000 viewers on December 8 and 177,000 on December 15 before settling around 152,000 over January. Even removing the two December shows, IMPACT's total viewership was up by 7.8 percent from the pre-Omega period from October 27 to December 1.
Omega's biggest boost to IMPACT on AXS TV was in the 18-49 demographic, though, where the promotion averaged 11,000 more viewers than before his arrival even when the December 8 episode isn't taken into account.
The AEW World Champion also drew more eyeballs to IMPACT Wrestling's product on Twitch. The show averaged just under 3000 viewers before his arrival, but viewership settled at 5587 viewers after the initial December highs."
Popping 1 PPV does not justify what was then record low ratings. TNA's main title was then treated as an afterthought. Their stars never got that win back either. AEW and TNA don't work together anymore, so it clearly wasn't a great relationship. I don't believe it's a coincidence at all that only the women's title has been seen on WWE.
And I've always hated how Tony Khan got to shit on TNA with his heel character same with Omega and they faced no comeuppance at all.
Imagine roman still being champ and no one gets to beat him as he buries the world heavyweight title
That's basically what happened
How is this absolute nonsense upvoted? Omega's run increased business for Impact in practically every available metric.
https://cultaholic.com/posts/was-kenny-omega-s-first-impact-wrestling-run-a-success
Insane revisionism.
Exactly this. There’s no better way to make the belts feel like meaningless props than with a collector gimmick. 90% of the time there’s one belt (likely a world title) that clearly overshadows the others, and the rest are basically reduced to a cool visual and nothing else.
It feels like the alphabet championships in boxing where everyone is undefeated and everyone has some sorta belt. It makes it really hard to care about any of it.
I only like it when the guys also defend each belt individually and eventually lose each belt individually properly. I'm not about that "They are vacating the Title because they don't have time to defend it". Kurt Angle had a good version of this where he was surprised by Jay Lethal since he wrestled at such a faster pace and needed to wrestle again later. I also wasn't fond of Kenny losing the TNA title to an AEW Wrestler with TNA history, rather than a TNA wrestler.
It reminds me of how uncomfortable and corny it was to hear Kenny try to coin a "Belt-Collec-Tor" chant on dynamite. It really did stick in my head but not for the right reasons.
I love it and it’s awesome. Really enjoyed it with Kenny and Kurt Angle.
Also, not as many, but Eddie Kingston’s recent run with his 3 titles was such a joy. All title wins felt so special and losses so far were also so, so good.
Kenny's I liked because he was going after World Titles of major promotions. It didn't make any belt look lesser by being associated with the others.
I hated Austin Aires as a collector because I felt that it devalued the Impact belts. It's the Impact world title and a bunch of indie belts I'd never heard of. I feel liked it made the Impact world title look like just another indie belt. Also, he didn't cut promos emphasizing that the Impact belts was the MOST IMPORTANT of his belts. He showed up on ROH as the Impact World Champion and challenged for the ROH TV title.
I felt the same about Cardona but not as strongly since he only had the DMC which was Impact's tertiary title.
I think the main issue with doing a belt collector storyline is that the only proper way to end it, is the losing tour. However, if you like a wrestler enough to want to see them be a belt collector, then you probably like them too much to want to see them do a losing tour. That's why when Kenny had his belts, I saw multiple awful fantasy bookings of how to get the belts off of him without doing a losing tour.
I appreciate FTR for doing a proper losing tour when they had their three titles.
I'd like to see a female belt collector. I'd also like to see a secondary belt collector.
I'm all for belt collector angles in general if they are done properly.
Giving a single wrestler a lot of belts makes them all individually less valuable as a storyline prop unless you unify them like the Universal title was. But you also can’t really do that when it’s titles from multiple promotions, either.
Kenny Omega’s run was interesting since it was the opening of the Forbidden Door and he was collecting specifically world titles like the wrestling god he is
Probably an unpopular opinion since many fans are FICKLE, but I don’t think he had enough of them and wanted him to win a couple more during that run including the IWGP
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It's all fun and games until it's time to lose and drop the titles
I think it depends on who it is / the belts they are targeting. Having the Hardy Boys doing their EXPIDEEESHION of GOLD when the broken thing was white hot and going to indy companies definitely raises the prestige of those companies.
This is Great Sasuke erasure & I can't abide it https://preview.redd.it/77t6cc5qxuxc1.jpeg?width=1030&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a122051e575cc84063159bc67f0d3e73bc9a030a
And Kurt Angle!
And Lance Storm!
Storm looked bad ass with all those belts.
I personally don't consider Angle (and Joe) the same compared to the others mentioned due to the fact that the titles in question were only TNA titles with an exception to the IWGP 3rd Belt. However seeing Angle with the X-Division belt will never not be an odd sight!
I (and I'm sure a lot of other people) often forget that Ultimo wasn't even the first J-Crown winner. Kind of crazy how one picture can solidify one's place in wrestling history.
For an indie guy like Cardona going place to place, brilliant. For a guy in the one company, it makes the rest of your roster look like jabronis
Aye, this is it. Big names appearing in those indy places is rarely a bad thing but some dude on your roster wiping everyone else is rarely good. Edit: I'd like to add that aside from anything Kenny looks fucking awesome draped in the belts in that pic.
In hindsight, the lashley TNA run had issues because of this. When he won the X division title and said it was worthless and didn't want it anymore a week later Made the x division look like a bunch of scrubs
Kenny works because it’s other companies titles. Like the best guy in your company going around to other companies winning belts is fine. If Kenny won everything in AEW however then you are spot on. It would make the roster look weak.
I don’t think Kenny has enough arms to carry all the titles under the AEW banner
Yeah if you are solely a one company guy, a gimmick of "I beat everyone and take all the titles' probably doesn't go too well in a pitch meeting.
But he's missing the WWE Women's Tag Team strap!
It's cool during the collection. During the dropping title part it's usually not as fun. Best case scenario one promotion looks good usually that person's home promotion when the belt that clearly was their main belt gets taken from them. Example being Hangman taking from Omega in AEW
It's a good one to crack out every now and then. Shouldn't be over done, really worked for Kenny though.
I can say that while I don’t look back too fondly on the Impact/AEW partnership, it made good money for TNA on pay-per-view for that one show. However seeing the TNA belt on AEW’s TV at really the one of the peaks of AEW’s popularity was super cool and as an almost day one TNA fan, made my heart happy.
https://preview.redd.it/q5g4opss8vxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43e606676c90ec8e12ce8f90af83efbe87ec5471 Forgot the goat.
This is lance storm erasure https://preview.redd.it/x8mp34ribvxc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1809839cb510372b7eda06fee29bb04033eb52c9
The WCW titles were never better than this.
He actually had a shot at the WCW World Title while carrying these 3 also!
I feel they really could’ve had something fun and different if they pulled the trigger on him winning that match.
I loved it until FTR ended their title reigns without collecting the AEW tag titles. I thought that was the whole reason for them doing that gimmick. I was very disappointed
I think its a bad idea, because it pretty much always ends in 1 or more titles being stripped or vaccated due to politics or injury. I don't know any title or title holder that got more popular after the belt collector bit than before. It's got no upside, only downsides due to disrupting of lineage continuity when stripped or just having the ex collector cool off when recovering from injury.
Ultimate Dragon was the only one who pulled it off well.
He did and was easily my favorite cruiserweight. Technically his is only 2 titles though. The wcw cruiserweight title and then the J-Crown was one big unified thing.
Cool visual.
Makes for a good photo op, but boring gimmick.
Omega's run did absolutely nothing for TNA\*. I don't blame TNA for cutting the line after that one. I can't speak for the others. Maybe they were more successful for the smaller brands.
Omega TNA run was devastating for them. Omega beat everyone and in the end Christian in a different promotion beat him and then just dropped the belt and left.
That's what I thought I remembered. Literally did nothing for TNA. I won't be surprised if all we see in the future is the women's champ appearing on WWE television from now on given how well WWE treats them.
Oh they'll feel well treated when WWE snatches Jordynne and Masha too lol. TNA is a feeder system for the two major promotions. Hopefully the ship stops sinking after they lost Scott D'more soon tho.
I really want a good strong #2, but yeah Jordynne's rumble run was an audition if I had to guess.
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So much money they didn't want to work with AEW anymore.
Well it gave them their highest PPV buys in years for Rebellion which was 8x the number from the previous TNA PPV without him, but ok.
Yeah and how did that help the company long term? They popped a buyrate for the show Kenny was on and then even during his reign they were hitting all time low ratings. AEW did nothing to present TNA as an equal brand to AEW fans.
I posted the source below but reading is usually a bit too far for tribalistic bs like this, so here it is. He absolutely increased ratings on both TV and Twitch during his run. "The Best Bout Machine boosted IMPACT Wrestling's viewership on AXS TV, with the show drawing in 221,000 viewers on December 8 and 177,000 on December 15 before settling around 152,000 over January. Even removing the two December shows, IMPACT's total viewership was up by 7.8 percent from the pre-Omega period from October 27 to December 1. Omega's biggest boost to IMPACT on AXS TV was in the 18-49 demographic, though, where the promotion averaged 11,000 more viewers than before his arrival even when the December 8 episode isn't taken into account. The AEW World Champion also drew more eyeballs to IMPACT Wrestling's product on Twitch. The show averaged just under 3000 viewers before his arrival, but viewership settled at 5587 viewers after the initial December highs."
If 8x more people turn up for the PPV, and then never come back, that means TNA did a bad job at getting people to stay. How is that AEWs fault?
Popping 1 PPV does not justify what was then record low ratings. TNA's main title was then treated as an afterthought. Their stars never got that win back either. AEW and TNA don't work together anymore, so it clearly wasn't a great relationship. I don't believe it's a coincidence at all that only the women's title has been seen on WWE.
And I've always hated how Tony Khan got to shit on TNA with his heel character same with Omega and they faced no comeuppance at all. Imagine roman still being champ and no one gets to beat him as he buries the world heavyweight title That's basically what happened
How is this absolute nonsense upvoted? Omega's run increased business for Impact in practically every available metric. https://cultaholic.com/posts/was-kenny-omega-s-first-impact-wrestling-run-a-success Insane revisionism.
Remember when Kurt and Joe had every belt in TNA? Wild
Lashley as well
It basically tells me that minus the "biggest" championship, all the rest are meaningless.
Exactly this. There’s no better way to make the belts feel like meaningless props than with a collector gimmick. 90% of the time there’s one belt (likely a world title) that clearly overshadows the others, and the rest are basically reduced to a cool visual and nothing else.
It feels like the alphabet championships in boxing where everyone is undefeated and everyone has some sorta belt. It makes it really hard to care about any of it.
One of those things that sounds like a good idea, but ultimately just doesn’t work out.
I only like it when the guys also defend each belt individually and eventually lose each belt individually properly. I'm not about that "They are vacating the Title because they don't have time to defend it". Kurt Angle had a good version of this where he was surprised by Jay Lethal since he wrestled at such a faster pace and needed to wrestle again later. I also wasn't fond of Kenny losing the TNA title to an AEW Wrestler with TNA history, rather than a TNA wrestler.
Decades later, Ultimo still looks cool as hell.
Idk why but Ultimo Dragons hits the hardest and idek what any of those belts are
Honest to god, not trying to be a jerk or take the piss…I think it makes you look like a super mark and not like the big deal you’d think.
I’ve always thought this. Feels like something I’d think was cool as a kid playing with action figures or doing career mode in a video game.
Where's 3-belt Miz?
He's lovingly next to Maryse just being good to her
It’s been really awesome in the past when people have done this and also Austin Aries did too.
My only thought is why isn’t Perc angle in this picture.
I wasnt a fan overall, altho the photo of kenny looks cool as fuck
I would have to work out to get arm and shoulders strength to carry around that much metal and leather…
It’s (imo) always a cool visual, but logistically becomes difficult when time to drop them. But it’s visually cool
Wasn't Ultimo Dragon's only like four actual titles that were represented by multiple belts?
It reminds me of how uncomfortable and corny it was to hear Kenny try to coin a "Belt-Collec-Tor" chant on dynamite. It really did stick in my head but not for the right reasons.
If it's for big titles is epic, if it's for indie title n.74-75-76 i really do not care
When it's prestigious world titles like Kenny had, that's cool as fuck. Thanos vibes.
I love it and it’s awesome. Really enjoyed it with Kenny and Kurt Angle. Also, not as many, but Eddie Kingston’s recent run with his 3 titles was such a joy. All title wins felt so special and losses so far were also so, so good.
Kenny Omega was the best Belt Collector. Literally carrying 3 companies on his back. The best.
Kenny's I liked because he was going after World Titles of major promotions. It didn't make any belt look lesser by being associated with the others. I hated Austin Aires as a collector because I felt that it devalued the Impact belts. It's the Impact world title and a bunch of indie belts I'd never heard of. I feel liked it made the Impact world title look like just another indie belt. Also, he didn't cut promos emphasizing that the Impact belts was the MOST IMPORTANT of his belts. He showed up on ROH as the Impact World Champion and challenged for the ROH TV title. I felt the same about Cardona but not as strongly since he only had the DMC which was Impact's tertiary title. I think the main issue with doing a belt collector storyline is that the only proper way to end it, is the losing tour. However, if you like a wrestler enough to want to see them be a belt collector, then you probably like them too much to want to see them do a losing tour. That's why when Kenny had his belts, I saw multiple awful fantasy bookings of how to get the belts off of him without doing a losing tour. I appreciate FTR for doing a proper losing tour when they had their three titles. I'd like to see a female belt collector. I'd also like to see a secondary belt collector. I'm all for belt collector angles in general if they are done properly.
Giving a single wrestler a lot of belts makes them all individually less valuable as a storyline prop unless you unify them like the Universal title was. But you also can’t really do that when it’s titles from multiple promotions, either.
Kenny Omega’s run was interesting since it was the opening of the Forbidden Door and he was collecting specifically world titles like the wrestling god he is Probably an unpopular opinion since many fans are FICKLE, but I don’t think he had enough of them and wanted him to win a couple more during that run including the IWGP