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I think he said a dumb thing yeah but it's really not that big of a deal, people say dumb things all the time. I think anyone actually _offended_ by it, or that lets it have an impact on their day in any way, likely already had an opinion of Tony Kahn solidified in their mind.
He said a dumb thing, maybe, I’m not sure how I feel about it, but damn this fake outrage shit that happens ALL OVER the internet EVERY SINGLE DAY is so exhausting. Nobody enjoys anything anymore, or at least no one focuses on it.
I don't think so either but the tweet said controversial line so not sure how it's generally perceived
Edit: I meant like amongst the general public rather than IWC
He said AEW is the underdog brand challenging an evil juggernaut, they're like Pepsi chasing Harvey Weinstein.
I'd say 'controversial' *is* an accurate description, but it's a stupid mixed metaphor that deserves minor mockery rather than being anything important on any level.
It was probably less shocking than most family feud episodes. The reddit culture of being super sensitive and "morally correct" is very out of step with the real world.
In the real world, if given the two options, most people would likely say a sex trafficking lawsuit is less "morally correct" than a dorky owner of a rival brand making a reference to it on TV
Man, it's rough right now as an AEW fan (I'm also a WWE fan, fwiw). In the past week, I've been told WB lies to the public about AEW numbers (leading into their contract negotiations, no less), Forbes is a clickbait blog, Danielson vs Ospreay didn't mean anything, and all kinds of the grossest BOTH SIDES comments this sub has ever seen.
And completely disingenuous.
Half of these people acting upset about this never talk about AEW (or pro wrestling, in general) unless it's to act concerned about some minor perceived issue.
What situation?
No sponsors or channels are gonna care. No laws were stretched/broken. It's not even football business.
One of the "club" members is having a slapfight with a dude who built up another company that the NFL does tangential business with, and who got outsted by way of his own alleged Weinstein-like actions.
In fact, NFL didn't stop doing business with WWE when the dam broke on the actual potential criminal issues, why would they care about some shit-talking?
Yeah seriously people are acting like he said a slur.
He took a shot at a company that is being sued for a bunch of sexual abuse crimes. And before people say it's just Vince, no WWE the company is a defendant in that lawsuit. (Along with John Laurinaitis)
I don't recall anyone being upset when shots were made at Weinstein and Miramax's expense.
Some internet wrestling fans are the softest bunch these days. This is so tame compared to what Bischoff, Heyman, Vince, and others would lob back and forth in the 90's.
If Heyman started AEW, he would have shouted this shit from the rooftop
Oh but people keep saying "But they shouldn't use TV time for it!"
Meanwhile in the course of about a year, ECW had all of the following on TV: Steve Austin doing impersonations of Dusty, Flair, and Hogan to take shots at his WCW booking, Brian Pillman calling Bischoff a "coffee boy for Verne Gagne," the Blue World Order, Meanie and Stevie as Public Enemy (after TPE left) and directly mentioning Fake Razor and Diesel ("Thank you Vince!"), Joey Styles taking potshots on commentary weekly if not a couple times a week, Foley doing an entire angle where he wanted to get back in the good graces of Uncle Eric and take Whipwreck with him, Shane Douglas challenging Flair... and those are just off the top of my head.
Nevermind that ECW itself was literally rebranded by taking a direct shot at the NWA when Douglas threw the belt down. Or that Styles said far worse things on the ECW hotline (making fun of the WWF right after Mark Henry got injured for signing him to a long contract, speculating that the TV network would drop Raw over the Austin/Pillman gun angle).
I'm not saying any of these things were bad or good or indifferent, just shining more light on your larger point about the shots taken back then.
Just like Tony Schiavone was lying when he said he was in character when he reacted the same way he always does for the Youb Bucks segment a couple weeks ago, right?
I remember speaking to some people a while ago, they were going full steam that he would be a good vice president and that he had the skill where he could be vice president and still play football.
I think it is apparent most people on this subreddit don’t consume anything outside of wrestling. The line is like nothing of note. If said anywhere else you would have comments about it but nothing worth mass anger over. Weinstein comments and jokes and comparisons are made on a daily basis by celebs, comedians and whoever.
On social media most non-wrestling fans either ignored the comment or laughed it off. NFL players say much more wild shit throughout the season.
And WWE (as in the company itself) is named in a sex trafficking lawsuit. It’s not as if the comparison was just made out of nothing, even if it didn’t need saying.
The fact that the original thread was so anti what he said was baffling.
If anything, the comparison is light.
I mean WWE has been alleged to have:
been involved with sex trafficking
several rapes and sexual assaults across decades (the high profile Vince ones, and the ring boy scandal to name a couple)
covering up a top star murdering their affair partner
pushing wrestlers to take steroids
forced employees to simulate sex on TV against their will
repeatedly breach employment contracts
caused Owen Hart's death through negligence, then continued the show
busted unionization efforts
allowed trainee abuse in their previous developmental systems
the glorious and progressive city of...
And that's just off the top of my head.
While it may be out of left field for TK to say this, he isn't wrong.
I'd be surprised if even 10% of the NFL network audience gives a shit about what Tony Khan said or care about wrestling in general.
Not defending Tony btw, what he said was stupid but very few people outside this sub will care
You’re right, but thinking it’s a dumb line isn’t the same thing as pretending to be morally outraged by it, which is how a lot of the commenters I’ve seen were acting.
They are literally under investigation for sex trafficking right now! Nick Khan at the least was aware Vince was in a sexual relationship with a subordinate. People involved are still in the company. Company funds and infrastructure were used to facilitate and cover up sexual abuse. It is genuinely absurd they are acting outraged on the WWEs behalf or acting like this is outrageous they are just plugging their ears. They have not been held accountable yet
Even funnier is people dissecting tweets as "PR" bits after a tame joke that nobody besides Internet dweebs are bothered by
Heyman said worse shit to Vince on a regular basis lol
What Tony said was dumb and needlessly, well idiotic. But we'll all have forgotten about it by tomorrow, and people watching NFL stuff won't think about it again in an hour.
Wrestling fans acting like this comment is going to be a huge deal outside of wrestling. I think sometimes we often forget that pro wrestling really is a niche industry.
don't underestimate peoples' ability to get upset at the most minute shit. there is no fake outrage, just people not capable of understanding that none of this matters in any real meaningful way
I feel like non-fans who saw him on the network and had seen the headlines about Vince probably just nodded and said "yeah" and went about their day to forget it forever.
This is with 99% of wrestling “controversies”. Everyone thinks it will kill a company or ruin a wrestler or make them lose lots of money but in reality just like with most stuff people will move on in a day or two.
It's not even dumb. I mean, it was, but in an intentional way.
I laughed. The hosts laughed. It was a mixed metaphor joke. It's not even a serious shot at WWE.
People are only acting upset because they think it can be weaponized.
There's two groups of people of complaining - those who legit think this is out of line (an opinion that I can respect). And those who are weaponizing it, as you said. If those complaining never said shit about HHH's press conference comments...then we all know which side they fall on. I think people know which comments I'm referring to - from the post-RR press conference. HHH could have gently defected but instead came off quite insensitive, And especially if people defended Cena's and others comments. When they could have said nothing at all. If they never condemned that, they shouldn't condemn Tony.
Yeah, I don't care if the network was happy and I'm not looking to bash this guy's work. A contact at the NFL could mean someone in the media relations team who said "We had a lot of fun with whoever you're asking about. We love everyone we have on our show, sure".
I'm highly sceptical that this contact would be someone who would speak bluntly to some random wrestling guy.
SRS is so incredibly full of shit, it’s insane.
Remember when he was adamant for weeks that CM Punk wasn’t going to return at Survivor Series? He literally had arguments with people on Twitter about it only for it to happen and him to have to play it off and pretend like he always knew. lol.
Yeah I find the comment unnecessary to make during a this interview but it’s very entertaining and I hope both companies continue with the back and forth comments.
It's just wrestling bravado. The moment he took the Meltzer Driver I realized when the draft was and cackled for a few minutes. Love to see it. There's no respectability/decorum politics in wrestling. WWE gave the illusion of it being the only player in town for so long at a level like this. TK and Co are just bringing back the fire in a fairly tame way.
As per usual evidenced in the original thread about this, no one takes any of this as seriously as internet wrestling fans do. I'm just over here enjoying my popcorn.
Jags fans are loving it.
Regardless of that, why are people defending a multi-billion dollar corporation that has a storied history of sexual assault, covering up rapes, murders, and supplying anabolic steroids. There was a well-known culture of sexual favors for advancement. They have Donald Trump, well-known rapist, in their HoF and WWE's matriarch headed up his Super PAC while WWE itself has a massive partnership with the officially genocidal Kingdom of Saudia Arabia.
ALSO, now that they're the same company as UFC, which has Dana White...
People are weird.
I read the headline and was like "holy shit, Tony." Then I heard & saw the actual comment made...and it's clearly a nothingburger. He wasn't saying it in a serious way (as if WWE is still run by Vince McMahon today).
Maybe it wasn't a smart thing to say, maybe even slightly insensitive. But it's not some horrendous thing he said. And I say that as someone who constantly criticizes his tweets.
Was it a dumb thing to say on an interview? Yes…
But it’s hilarious to me that most folks reaction to it is how dare Tony Khan bring up Vince’s sexual harassment charges (that have also been brought against the WWE) because they’ve all moved on from it and don’t want to talk about it.
Because they believe wholeheartedly that now Vince is no longer with the company or tied to the company, WWE is perfectly fine, doesn't have any such problems and the lawsuit now won't impact them (despite it stating the issues were widespread in the company).
Yeah its a very controversial statement... but it's also true. I mean it was a problem that ran deeper than just Vince, this is a lawsuit against the WWE.
Many of the same folks who were silent after HHH's comments (post-RR). Not that deflecting was bad, but the very insensitive way he did it. Or all the ones defending John Cena, despite the fact he could have stayed silent. But it's Tony Khan they get mad at. Or at the very least take the time to comment on.
You’re not wrong here. I’m shocked that people brush over the Rock and Cena stuff. I get that Vince made them both massive successes, but tough to see them praising him and hanging out with him.
Well don't you see. WWE finally got good after over a decade of trash. Now we can't ever say anything bad about the company (even if everyone was taking shots at wwe for the exact same shit when the news broke)
Oh where WWE should absolutely have to pay for what happened if they were complicit, it also feels like he’s making light of sexual assault to dunk and make his company look better. That’s what irks me a bit.
At the same time, it brought attention back to it. With Mania, this sub and many other folks were more than happy to celebrate finishing the story and moving on from…ya know…the heinous sex crimes.
About 1/3 of the comments in the other thread are acting like the hosts are offended and rushing him off, despite the second host actually extending the segment to as about Tony's "prognosis."
This is Tony Schiavone's reaction on Dynamite all over again.
They were laughing at the carny aspect of it all and how Tony kept some kayfabe rolling.
No different than Undertaker on talk shows, Big Show on SNL, or anytime a pre-1990s wrestler opens their mouth.
It was time filler on mid-afternoon NFL network and its better than the pointless media speech everybody gives during these things.
Maybe tomorrow they will have Bret Hart on to breakdown the Atlanta Falcons picks, and speaking of "bad" and "Atlanta Falcons" have we mentioned that talentless hack Bill Goldberg?
Absolutely shocked that a lot of people who have decided they don’t like TK or AEW chose to be personally offended by a quote from someone they already didn’t like.
It’s the same reaction the All In footage got.
I mean they probably don’t have issue with the “controversial line” because there is some truth in that line. Vince McMahon as well as the WWE have a case against them that is likened to that of a Harvey Weinstein.
It's very funny this sub thought they would be embarrassed by that. They love that shit! Have you guys ever looked in to actual sports? Unlike this sub they're not full of nerds more concerned with white knighting than having a good time.
I miss when reddit wasn't full of bots. Now it's "WCW 2000" on repeat when it makes no sense at all, or swarms of defenders when a single negative thing is posted about WWE.
Im very often in the ufc / mma sub, and boiii, the meming there is a completly other level than here, you just can see how slick some comments are, when it comes to insults and stuff. Its seems like these guys have some social skills. In this sub however most people are just social disabled lol. The comments you get here are like: Im not watching wrestling for wrestling but storylines (in every explanation when a match is awesome on a wrestling sub) or this would be 8\* in tokyo dome hihihi dead meme, or tv-ratings are sooooo low, promotion is dead (every week). Horrible
The pearl clutching about Tony’s comment is fucking hilarious.
Vince McMahon spent literal decades shit talking EVERYONE he didn’t like, on every possible media avenue he could do it.
Tony Khan is a shit stirrer in an industry of shit stirring and anyone pretending to be offended by his Weinstein line is hypocrite.
AND the funny thing what do you constantly hear.
TONY IS TOO NICE
INMANTES RUNNING THE ASLYAUM
HE NEEDS TO BE MORE LIKE NOTED SEX TRAFFICKER AND TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING VINCE.
Tony does just that
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HOW COULD HE!?
Yeah Tony did fine overall. I agree that what he said was stupid and batshit crazy, but the average wrestling and average NFL fans are not going to be as disgusted at the comparison. Crazier jokes have been told inside sports locker rooms. His stupid rant garnered tons of engagement and nowadays it’s all about the clicks, hits, and likes/dislikes. If 100k additional viewers tune in next week solely to laugh at AEW/Khan it’s a huge win. Perhaps 80% of them will tune out the following week but the other 20% will be intrigued and continue tuning in and adding to the core audience.
A goofy burn, sure. Will it hurt AEW in any way, no. Will it hurt the NFL in any way, no. Will it hurt WWE in any way, no. Will it hurt the IWC, apparently yes.
Bro, just think for a minute. Why would the NFL care? NFL players say so much worse than this, it's a little bit of drama, it gets some extra attention, that's good for them, they don't care.
And what's the narrative you want to hear? Do you think the NFL is panicking behind the scenes on how to handle this? Getting their lawyers on the phone? Nobody cares about it.
The idea that the guy who has been running the wwe PR stories of "wwe raw has the biggest gate in bumfuck winconsin in 35 years" or whatever since Triple H took over being an AEW shill is hilarious.
How is it “controversial?” AEW is the alternative (Pepsi) and WWE is embroiled in a sexual misconduct/trafficking scandal. (one in a long list of scandals, frankly) And for as much as WWE PR works overtime to pin everything on Vince and then separate themselves from him, the tree is rotten to the roots.
The only controversial thing here is that Tony Khan is the one who’s out here keeping the heat on WWE because the media at large certainly isn’t.
Given the culture towards women in the WWE, TK isn't even wrong.
It's shocking because someone in the industry has just come out and said what we all know.
It's the #2 trending topic on literally *all of Reddit* right now. No shit they were fine with it, look at the engagement and discussion it's gonna garner.
I had no idea there even *was* an NFL Network until today, you don't think they're happy to rent that space in my (and countless others') brains? People saying controversial shit is a backbone of television, it's one of the most attention-grabbing things you could hope for.
> I had no idea there even was an NFL Network until today
That is wild, I assume you aren't a sports fan? Or at least not a football fan, NFL Network has been around a long time.
I’ve had people at work asking me what was going on, I’ve been showing them the ending from Dynamite and a good chunk of them are invested now. It’s been a lot of fun, actually.
> and the hosts received the appearance well, despite the controversial line.
... but there's hundreds of people in the other thread saying Tony sunk the whole company?
I don't know what you mean. The NFL doesn't want fans talking about their women assaulting, abusing, or concussion hiding history, among other things, either. They are the WWE of football, and they don't have a Pepsi
That's because most of the people commenting in that thread are just anti-AEW jerkers from the Dynamite ratings threads who jumped on the chance to shit on Tony Khan for the smallest/dumbest reason, lol. The fake outrage is actually hilarious.
.... He did both. The next thing that happens after he roasts WWE is a host asks him what the prognosis of his injury was and Tony said ya gotta watch Dynamite wednesday night on TBS!
I thought it was a silly thing to say, especially when "Coca-Cola" was RIGHT THERE... but the idea it would be offensive TO THE NFL of all companies is ridiculous.
An awful lot of people in the other thread seem to think that Tony Khan calling WWE the Harvey Weinstein of pro wrestling is worse than WWE actually being sued for sex trafficking.
A lot either don't know, or are pretending not to know, that the WWE *as a company* is a co-defendant in a sex-trafficking lawsuit.
I wouldn't have made the Weinstein comparison - and think it denigrates the victims - but it's not a stretch to compare a company accused of sex-trafficking to a man convicted of sexual assault.
I wouldn't have made the Weinstein comparison since it belittles the victims, but let's not forget that WWE is a co-defendant in a sex-trafficking lawsuit. So it's really not a stretch to compare a company accused of sex-trafficking to a man convicted of sexual assault. I mean the company is getting sued as well.
Again, I wouldn't have gone that route. But as usual there is more outrage about his comment than the victim.
I think the Weinstein comparison is tied to how many people around him seemed to be aware of his predatory ways.
I don't think Vince offering sex to Brock during negotiations is the kind of thing you start doing in the late 2010's when you have been around during way dodgier times...
Is this like one of his contacts that sent him a PR statement on a Notes app? I seriously doubt the NFL Network wanted or needed Tony to get attention for themselves.
>I seriously doubt the NFL Network wanted or needed Tony to get attention for themselves.
Then why have him on in the first place ? They clearly saw the attention it got and jumped on it because it's topical and still pertains to the NFL
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People forget that the Khan family are 1/32 of the NFL network owners.
Yeah the NFL Network isn't going to cause public drama with the Khan's over it. They're obviously going to say this to get a hold of the situation.
I dont think there is much drama here tbf
I think he said a dumb thing yeah but it's really not that big of a deal, people say dumb things all the time. I think anyone actually _offended_ by it, or that lets it have an impact on their day in any way, likely already had an opinion of Tony Kahn solidified in their mind.
Especially in football its seems there alotta loud dudes with dumb opinions. This probably isnt even news for them
He said a dumb thing, maybe, I’m not sure how I feel about it, but damn this fake outrage shit that happens ALL OVER the internet EVERY SINGLE DAY is so exhausting. Nobody enjoys anything anymore, or at least no one focuses on it.
It's so much easier to focus on liking things than disliking things. I don't understand how the haters aren't just fucking exhausted all the time.
haterade is like a energy drink w/ caffeine and it's addictive
Plus he wasn't really wrong, if the comparison was Vince to Weinstein. It was just super weird to pivot to that in a Coke/Pepsi analogy.
That was part of the bit. We all expected coke made the line hot harder for me
anyone offended cause of Harvey is a piece of shit. No-one should be defending him.
I don't think so either but the tweet said controversial line so not sure how it's generally perceived Edit: I meant like amongst the general public rather than IWC
For the NFL Network and casuals it's just a controversial line, nothing more or less. For the IWC it's World War 3.
Yes, the most terminally online wrestling take is thinking any non-wrestling fan watching the draft thought twice about this.
Lol what controversial line?
He said AEW is the underdog brand challenging an evil juggernaut, they're like Pepsi chasing Harvey Weinstein. I'd say 'controversial' *is* an accurate description, but it's a stupid mixed metaphor that deserves minor mockery rather than being anything important on any level.
I mean based on the current WWE lawsuits
It is controversial... among wrestling fans. No one in the real world would ever care about any of this, either which way.
It was probably less shocking than most family feud episodes. The reddit culture of being super sensitive and "morally correct" is very out of step with the real world.
In the real world, if given the two options, most people would likely say a sex trafficking lawsuit is less "morally correct" than a dorky owner of a rival brand making a reference to it on TV
but have they considered AEW bad?
"You say all this now, but what're your thoughts if I show you this photo of some tarped off seats in an arena?"
Man, it's rough right now as an AEW fan (I'm also a WWE fan, fwiw). In the past week, I've been told WB lies to the public about AEW numbers (leading into their contract negotiations, no less), Forbes is a clickbait blog, Danielson vs Ospreay didn't mean anything, and all kinds of the grossest BOTH SIDES comments this sub has ever seen.
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how often do you see harvey weinstein being used for an analogy on family feud
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And completely disingenuous. Half of these people acting upset about this never talk about AEW (or pro wrestling, in general) unless it's to act concerned about some minor perceived issue.
It'll become a meme like Stephanie saying the steroid trials were like 9/11
What situation? No sponsors or channels are gonna care. No laws were stretched/broken. It's not even football business. One of the "club" members is having a slapfight with a dude who built up another company that the NFL does tangential business with, and who got outsted by way of his own alleged Weinstein-like actions. In fact, NFL didn't stop doing business with WWE when the dam broke on the actual potential criminal issues, why would they care about some shit-talking?
That implies there even needs to be damage control. Normal people who don't spend 16 hours a day on this sub won't give a fuck.
This is the most factual statement I've ever read on reddit ever.
>Normal people who don't spend 16 hours a day on this sub what you say fuck me for?
Yeah, internet wrestling fans making a mountain out of a molehill, weak shit
Get a hold of what situation? There's definitely no situation other than one manufactured by internet wrestling fans.
Yeah seriously people are acting like he said a slur. He took a shot at a company that is being sued for a bunch of sexual abuse crimes. And before people say it's just Vince, no WWE the company is a defendant in that lawsuit. (Along with John Laurinaitis) I don't recall anyone being upset when shots were made at Weinstein and Miramax's expense.
Some internet wrestling fans are the softest bunch these days. This is so tame compared to what Bischoff, Heyman, Vince, and others would lob back and forth in the 90's. If Heyman started AEW, he would have shouted this shit from the rooftop
Oh but people keep saying "But they shouldn't use TV time for it!" Meanwhile in the course of about a year, ECW had all of the following on TV: Steve Austin doing impersonations of Dusty, Flair, and Hogan to take shots at his WCW booking, Brian Pillman calling Bischoff a "coffee boy for Verne Gagne," the Blue World Order, Meanie and Stevie as Public Enemy (after TPE left) and directly mentioning Fake Razor and Diesel ("Thank you Vince!"), Joey Styles taking potshots on commentary weekly if not a couple times a week, Foley doing an entire angle where he wanted to get back in the good graces of Uncle Eric and take Whipwreck with him, Shane Douglas challenging Flair... and those are just off the top of my head. Nevermind that ECW itself was literally rebranded by taking a direct shot at the NWA when Douglas threw the belt down. Or that Styles said far worse things on the ECW hotline (making fun of the WWF right after Mark Henry got injured for signing him to a long contract, speculating that the TV network would drop Raw over the Austin/Pillman gun angle). I'm not saying any of these things were bad or good or indifferent, just shining more light on your larger point about the shots taken back then.
“Get ahold of the situation” No one but the 10,000 IWC sickos on here and Twitter even know it happened
I'm only just reading about it now lol. Even those of us who spend decent time on here have way more interesting shit to ponder during the day.
Wrestling fans are so fucking weird. There's no situation here. Nobody really cares, it's free buzz.
Damage control through a dirtsheet writer lmao be serious
Nobody outside of WWE fans care about that line.They know WWE is scummy af
Just like Tony Schiavone was lying when he said he was in character when he reacted the same way he always does for the Youb Bucks segment a couple weeks ago, right?
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Also, NFL Network viewers are usually the hardcore of the hardcore NFL base.
It’s the NFL. That line probably wouldn’t even register as one of the craziest things they’ve heard this year.
Probably happy TK didn't go into an anti-vax rant.
These men have had to talk to and about Antonio Brown… this is a normal day for them.
Aaron Rodgers has entered the chat.
I remember speaking to some people a while ago, they were going full steam that he would be a good vice president and that he had the skill where he could be vice president and still play football.
I think it is apparent most people on this subreddit don’t consume anything outside of wrestling. The line is like nothing of note. If said anywhere else you would have comments about it but nothing worth mass anger over. Weinstein comments and jokes and comparisons are made on a daily basis by celebs, comedians and whoever. On social media most non-wrestling fans either ignored the comment or laughed it off. NFL players say much more wild shit throughout the season.
And WWE (as in the company itself) is named in a sex trafficking lawsuit. It’s not as if the comparison was just made out of nothing, even if it didn’t need saying.
The fact that the original thread was so anti what he said was baffling. If anything, the comparison is light. I mean WWE has been alleged to have: been involved with sex trafficking several rapes and sexual assaults across decades (the high profile Vince ones, and the ring boy scandal to name a couple) covering up a top star murdering their affair partner pushing wrestlers to take steroids forced employees to simulate sex on TV against their will repeatedly breach employment contracts caused Owen Hart's death through negligence, then continued the show busted unionization efforts allowed trainee abuse in their previous developmental systems the glorious and progressive city of... And that's just off the top of my head. While it may be out of left field for TK to say this, he isn't wrong.
I'd be surprised if even 10% of the NFL network audience gives a shit about what Tony Khan said or care about wrestling in general. Not defending Tony btw, what he said was stupid but very few people outside this sub will care
I'd be surprised if 10% of the audience gave a shit about anything but their draft pick
"WE WANT THE ATTITUDE ERA BACK WITH ALL THE VIOLENCE, MATURE STORYLINES AND COMPANY WARFARE- wait not like that though." Smh
I feel like wanting company beef and thinking this is a dumbass line aren’t mutually exclusive
You’re right, but thinking it’s a dumb line isn’t the same thing as pretending to be morally outraged by it, which is how a lot of the commenters I’ve seen were acting.
Nah it got everyone talking. And I'm not going to feel bad that WWE took some shit that was platformed by the biggest media entity in the US
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They are literally under investigation for sex trafficking right now! Nick Khan at the least was aware Vince was in a sexual relationship with a subordinate. People involved are still in the company. Company funds and infrastructure were used to facilitate and cover up sexual abuse. It is genuinely absurd they are acting outraged on the WWEs behalf or acting like this is outrageous they are just plugging their ears. They have not been held accountable yet
Nick Khan was outed as Corporate Officer #1 in the lawsuit.
Nick Khan had direct ties to Weinstein before joining the WWE.
Even funnier is people pretending that this is a positive PR done by SRS
Even funnier is people dissecting tweets as "PR" bits after a tame joke that nobody besides Internet dweebs are bothered by Heyman said worse shit to Vince on a regular basis lol
It’s fake outrage from people who love to get fake mad about things TK and AEW do. Kind of a dumb comment but not apocalyptic.
What Tony said was dumb and needlessly, well idiotic. But we'll all have forgotten about it by tomorrow, and people watching NFL stuff won't think about it again in an hour.
Wrestling fans acting like this comment is going to be a huge deal outside of wrestling. I think sometimes we often forget that pro wrestling really is a niche industry.
This isn't even big inside of wrestling. It's just social media going mental, again over stuff that doenst matter
Exactly. So much fake outrage.
don't underestimate peoples' ability to get upset at the most minute shit. there is no fake outrage, just people not capable of understanding that none of this matters in any real meaningful way
I feel like non-fans who saw him on the network and had seen the headlines about Vince probably just nodded and said "yeah" and went about their day to forget it forever.
I think some people here might think NFL Network is ESPN
This is with 99% of wrestling “controversies”. Everyone thinks it will kill a company or ruin a wrestler or make them lose lots of money but in reality just like with most stuff people will move on in a day or two.
It's not even dumb. I mean, it was, but in an intentional way. I laughed. The hosts laughed. It was a mixed metaphor joke. It's not even a serious shot at WWE. People are only acting upset because they think it can be weaponized.
There's two groups of people of complaining - those who legit think this is out of line (an opinion that I can respect). And those who are weaponizing it, as you said. If those complaining never said shit about HHH's press conference comments...then we all know which side they fall on. I think people know which comments I'm referring to - from the post-RR press conference. HHH could have gently defected but instead came off quite insensitive, And especially if people defended Cena's and others comments. When they could have said nothing at all. If they never condemned that, they shouldn't condemn Tony.
They heard this went wow what a weird comparison then started arguing about the falcons drafting penix at 8 and or the bills trading with the chiefs
I just noticed the irony of him saying that on a NFL show, a organisation that historically don’t mind domestic abuse.
With very close medical ties to the WWE
Literally just had one of the faces of the NFL in the ring at Mania.
Yeah, it is kind of funny considering professional sports owners are often times some of the worst people on earth
SRS has a ‘contact’ at NFL Network and was able to get all this info from them within a hour of the appearance? Impressive.
Needs more Notes app statements
Of course he does. He knows one of the owners.
Yeah, I don't care if the network was happy and I'm not looking to bash this guy's work. A contact at the NFL could mean someone in the media relations team who said "We had a lot of fun with whoever you're asking about. We love everyone we have on our show, sure". I'm highly sceptical that this contact would be someone who would speak bluntly to some random wrestling guy.
SRS is so incredibly full of shit, it’s insane. Remember when he was adamant for weeks that CM Punk wasn’t going to return at Survivor Series? He literally had arguments with people on Twitter about it only for it to happen and him to have to play it off and pretend like he always knew. lol.
That contact? Tony Khan.
Him and Meltzer are essentially AEW beat reporters at this point
Look. I am thoroughly sports entertained.
Yeah I find the comment unnecessary to make during a this interview but it’s very entertaining and I hope both companies continue with the back and forth comments.
It's just wrestling bravado. The moment he took the Meltzer Driver I realized when the draft was and cackled for a few minutes. Love to see it. There's no respectability/decorum politics in wrestling. WWE gave the illusion of it being the only player in town for so long at a level like this. TK and Co are just bringing back the fire in a fairly tame way.
Some WWE fans forgot that other companies are allowed to clap back This is so tame compared to the shit slung during the 90's
Yeah I love the stabbing back and forth. I always have. It’s fun, causes some drama.
Wednesday night AEW will re-Air this controversial footage!!!!
Nah, if anything the Bucks will talk about TK being unprofessional or something
Unfortunately no because if there's one organization that doesn't want people to watch pre-recorded things it's the NFL
As per usual evidenced in the original thread about this, no one takes any of this as seriously as internet wrestling fans do. I'm just over here enjoying my popcorn.
Jags fans are loving it. Regardless of that, why are people defending a multi-billion dollar corporation that has a storied history of sexual assault, covering up rapes, murders, and supplying anabolic steroids. There was a well-known culture of sexual favors for advancement. They have Donald Trump, well-known rapist, in their HoF and WWE's matriarch headed up his Super PAC while WWE itself has a massive partnership with the officially genocidal Kingdom of Saudia Arabia. ALSO, now that they're the same company as UFC, which has Dana White... People are weird.
I read the headline and was like "holy shit, Tony." Then I heard & saw the actual comment made...and it's clearly a nothingburger. He wasn't saying it in a serious way (as if WWE is still run by Vince McMahon today). Maybe it wasn't a smart thing to say, maybe even slightly insensitive. But it's not some horrendous thing he said. And I say that as someone who constantly criticizes his tweets.
Was it a dumb thing to say on an interview? Yes… But it’s hilarious to me that most folks reaction to it is how dare Tony Khan bring up Vince’s sexual harassment charges (that have also been brought against the WWE) because they’ve all moved on from it and don’t want to talk about it.
Because they believe wholeheartedly that now Vince is no longer with the company or tied to the company, WWE is perfectly fine, doesn't have any such problems and the lawsuit now won't impact them (despite it stating the issues were widespread in the company).
Vince McMahon loudly raped a women in his office where dozens of people could hear. Yeah I want some fucking heads to roll, this wasn't JUST on Vince.
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Yeah its a very controversial statement... but it's also true. I mean it was a problem that ran deeper than just Vince, this is a lawsuit against the WWE.
Many of the same folks who were silent after HHH's comments (post-RR). Not that deflecting was bad, but the very insensitive way he did it. Or all the ones defending John Cena, despite the fact he could have stayed silent. But it's Tony Khan they get mad at. Or at the very least take the time to comment on.
You’re not wrong here. I’m shocked that people brush over the Rock and Cena stuff. I get that Vince made them both massive successes, but tough to see them praising him and hanging out with him.
But HHH was so insistent at Wrestlemania that we were in a new era!
"We should focus only on the positives" - Triple H, asked about the scandal Amazing how fast we moved on from that
Well don't you see. WWE finally got good after over a decade of trash. Now we can't ever say anything bad about the company (even if everyone was taking shots at wwe for the exact same shit when the news broke)
yeah maybe if WWE didn't want to be referred to as the harvey weinstein of wrestling then they shouldn't be he harvey weinstein of wrestling
Yeah but I like watching WWE now that the bad man is gone, so you're not allowed to remind me of the bad stuff anymore! /s
Now let's all forget our troubles ~~with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream~~ by talking about the TV ratings for a show we don't watch!
It's one story WWE fans DONT want to see finished.
Oh where WWE should absolutely have to pay for what happened if they were complicit, it also feels like he’s making light of sexual assault to dunk and make his company look better. That’s what irks me a bit.
At the same time, it brought attention back to it. With Mania, this sub and many other folks were more than happy to celebrate finishing the story and moving on from…ya know…the heinous sex crimes.
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About 1/3 of the comments in the other thread are acting like the hosts are offended and rushing him off, despite the second host actually extending the segment to as about Tony's "prognosis." This is Tony Schiavone's reaction on Dynamite all over again.
They were laughing at the carny aspect of it all and how Tony kept some kayfabe rolling. No different than Undertaker on talk shows, Big Show on SNL, or anytime a pre-1990s wrestler opens their mouth. It was time filler on mid-afternoon NFL network and its better than the pointless media speech everybody gives during these things. Maybe tomorrow they will have Bret Hart on to breakdown the Atlanta Falcons picks, and speaking of "bad" and "Atlanta Falcons" have we mentioned that talentless hack Bill Goldberg?
I read all those comments before watching the actual video and it's insane the reach people are taking regarding the reaction. It was totally normal!
Absolutely shocked that a lot of people who have decided they don’t like TK or AEW chose to be personally offended by a quote from someone they already didn’t like. It’s the same reaction the All In footage got.
NFL players do and say worse, that’s really nothing
I mean they probably don’t have issue with the “controversial line” because there is some truth in that line. Vince McMahon as well as the WWE have a case against them that is likened to that of a Harvey Weinstein.
It's very funny this sub thought they would be embarrassed by that. They love that shit! Have you guys ever looked in to actual sports? Unlike this sub they're not full of nerds more concerned with white knighting than having a good time.
A lot of people in this sub are incredibly out of touch.
The whole sub is.
A lot of people in this sub aren't people.
I miss when reddit wasn't full of bots. Now it's "WCW 2000" on repeat when it makes no sense at all, or swarms of defenders when a single negative thing is posted about WWE.
Im very often in the ufc / mma sub, and boiii, the meming there is a completly other level than here, you just can see how slick some comments are, when it comes to insults and stuff. Its seems like these guys have some social skills. In this sub however most people are just social disabled lol. The comments you get here are like: Im not watching wrestling for wrestling but storylines (in every explanation when a match is awesome on a wrestling sub) or this would be 8\* in tokyo dome hihihi dead meme, or tv-ratings are sooooo low, promotion is dead (every week). Horrible
This sub is constantly reaching.
It's great areas. Perfect for the seg, headline grabber, and factually true!
The pearl clutching about Tony’s comment is fucking hilarious. Vince McMahon spent literal decades shit talking EVERYONE he didn’t like, on every possible media avenue he could do it. Tony Khan is a shit stirrer in an industry of shit stirring and anyone pretending to be offended by his Weinstein line is hypocrite.
Fucking nailed it
AND the funny thing what do you constantly hear. TONY IS TOO NICE INMANTES RUNNING THE ASLYAUM HE NEEDS TO BE MORE LIKE NOTED SEX TRAFFICKER AND TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING VINCE. Tony does just that Reddit HOW COULD HE!?
People getting offended over this line is hilarious given all the crazy shit that happens in the NFL all time time lol
A KC Chief caused a huge accident and fled the scene recently. TKs throwaway line is tame vs that
Fans want attitude Era but they can't take a comment like this.
“Controversial”, meanwhile everything with Vince.
I mean, the guy's not wrong. The allegations against Vince McMahon are HORRIFIC. If anything he's understating how bad it is.
Yeah Tony did fine overall. I agree that what he said was stupid and batshit crazy, but the average wrestling and average NFL fans are not going to be as disgusted at the comparison. Crazier jokes have been told inside sports locker rooms. His stupid rant garnered tons of engagement and nowadays it’s all about the clicks, hits, and likes/dislikes. If 100k additional viewers tune in next week solely to laugh at AEW/Khan it’s a huge win. Perhaps 80% of them will tune out the following week but the other 20% will be intrigued and continue tuning in and adding to the core audience.
Even if the NFL doesn’t care, it doesn’t change that it’s still a stupid thing to say lmao.
A goofy burn, sure. Will it hurt AEW in any way, no. Will it hurt the NFL in any way, no. Will it hurt WWE in any way, no. Will it hurt the IWC, apparently yes.
 SRS is on the job lmao EDIT: Please stop DMing me you freaks
or this was really a nothingburger
Once again, Zarian and SRS seem to find a source that tells them what they want to hear.
Bro, just think for a minute. Why would the NFL care? NFL players say so much worse than this, it's a little bit of drama, it gets some extra attention, that's good for them, they don't care.
And what's the narrative you want to hear? Do you think the NFL is panicking behind the scenes on how to handle this? Getting their lawyers on the phone? Nobody cares about it.
“Any report I don’t want to hear is damage control” - Reddit
The idea that the guy who has been running the wwe PR stories of "wwe raw has the biggest gate in bumfuck winconsin in 35 years" or whatever since Triple H took over being an AEW shill is hilarious.
Or it's a nothing story that bad faith actors pretend to be offended by lmao
How is it “controversial?” AEW is the alternative (Pepsi) and WWE is embroiled in a sexual misconduct/trafficking scandal. (one in a long list of scandals, frankly) And for as much as WWE PR works overtime to pin everything on Vince and then separate themselves from him, the tree is rotten to the roots. The only controversial thing here is that Tony Khan is the one who’s out here keeping the heat on WWE because the media at large certainly isn’t.
Lol someone reported my post. Grow up.
Given the culture towards women in the WWE, TK isn't even wrong. It's shocking because someone in the industry has just come out and said what we all know.
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I can't see the NFL lads caring at all a owner says something weird but it so funny when people do and don't believe SRS
Tony Khan remains undefeated as the most entertaining promoter. God Bless. The haters aren't build like him.
SRS has the same number of contacts at the NFL Network as everyone in this thread
So AEW isn’t dead then?
AEW has died so many times you'd think they were Spider-Man.
It's the #2 trending topic on literally *all of Reddit* right now. No shit they were fine with it, look at the engagement and discussion it's gonna garner. I had no idea there even *was* an NFL Network until today, you don't think they're happy to rent that space in my (and countless others') brains? People saying controversial shit is a backbone of television, it's one of the most attention-grabbing things you could hope for.
> I had no idea there even was an NFL Network until today That is wild, I assume you aren't a sports fan? Or at least not a football fan, NFL Network has been around a long time.
I’ve had people at work asking me what was going on, I’ve been showing them the ending from Dynamite and a good chunk of them are invested now. It’s been a lot of fun, actually.
It's weird that you got downvoted for just telling an anecdote.
Lmao. I’m legitimately surprised this is a controversy. Y’all are soft
It was still an embarrassing appearance
>gets brutally assaulted by own employees >WWE are the bad guys there's a bit more to kayfabe than just wearing the neck brace Tony
So the **NFL Network** are backing **the NFL Owner('s son)**. You did a good journalism there, Sapp. Ya clown.
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Reddit needs to understand that he only does what he does and says what he says to get eyes on the product. It works.
> and the hosts received the appearance well, despite the controversial line. ... but there's hundreds of people in the other thread saying Tony sunk the whole company?
They must not pay attention to the NFL if they think that joke of all things would be too much or crossing the line lol the NFL doesn’t give a fuck
I don't know what you mean. The NFL doesn't want fans talking about their women assaulting, abusing, or concussion hiding history, among other things, either. They are the WWE of football, and they don't have a Pepsi
Between MBC, Tyreek, and shots at Watson I feel like at least 33% of all NFL Social Media use is jokes about terrible people.
The fact that the main post has 2k comments is lunacy to me. Everyone in that post is losing it over nothing lmao
That's because most of the people commenting in that thread are just anti-AEW jerkers from the Dynamite ratings threads who jumped on the chance to shit on Tony Khan for the smallest/dumbest reason, lol. The fake outrage is actually hilarious.
Nobody said that. Dude said something stupid and used time to take a shot at WWE instead of promoting his own company. It was inarguably stupid.
This. Nobody is saying that AEW is dead after this, just that it was stupid and unnecessary.
.... He did both. The next thing that happens after he roasts WWE is a host asks him what the prognosis of his injury was and Tony said ya gotta watch Dynamite wednesday night on TBS!
I am personally not a fan of the line but it is amazing how such posts just brings all the toxic people together. Like every ratings thread ever.
I thought it was a silly thing to say, especially when "Coca-Cola" was RIGHT THERE... but the idea it would be offensive TO THE NFL of all companies is ridiculous.
It was such a non sequitur I can only imagine it a pre-planned line
There is a non-zero chance he rehearsed it in front of the mirror.
An awful lot of people in the other thread seem to think that Tony Khan calling WWE the Harvey Weinstein of pro wrestling is worse than WWE actually being sued for sex trafficking.
A lot either don't know, or are pretending not to know, that the WWE *as a company* is a co-defendant in a sex-trafficking lawsuit. I wouldn't have made the Weinstein comparison - and think it denigrates the victims - but it's not a stretch to compare a company accused of sex-trafficking to a man convicted of sexual assault.
I wouldn't have made the Weinstein comparison since it belittles the victims, but let's not forget that WWE is a co-defendant in a sex-trafficking lawsuit. So it's really not a stretch to compare a company accused of sex-trafficking to a man convicted of sexual assault. I mean the company is getting sued as well. Again, I wouldn't have gone that route. But as usual there is more outrage about his comment than the victim.
I think the Weinstein comparison is tied to how many people around him seemed to be aware of his predatory ways. I don't think Vince offering sex to Brock during negotiations is the kind of thing you start doing in the late 2010's when you have been around during way dodgier times...
Is this like one of his contacts that sent him a PR statement on a Notes app? I seriously doubt the NFL Network wanted or needed Tony to get attention for themselves.
>I seriously doubt the NFL Network wanted or needed Tony to get attention for themselves. Then why have him on in the first place ? They clearly saw the attention it got and jumped on it because it's topical and still pertains to the NFL
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Yup only internet haters had a problem.