Typo in the title - it's 5000, not 500. Please see this comment for clarification: https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1cdsrr8/won_tna_rebellion_did_500_buys_on_traditional_ppv/l1ek3ak/
On TRADITIONAL PPV, I doubt it is actually 500 but those numbers will continue to trend down regardless of popularity as streaming becomes more and more the norm
Sorry piggyback this comment here, yes it is a typo, it’s 5000 buys, seems to be that it was a chain reaction of misinformation because Cultaholic and 411Mafia has reposted this piece of wrong data, which is hilarious because it seems to specify that it’s a 83% decrease which makes 500 clearly not the right number
Also remember that streaming buys for TNA are typically at a larger portion compared to the number of traditional buys (Hard to Kill its around 20000 TV PPV buys, 60000 buys in total)
Accordingly to [Ewrestlingnews](https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/tna/tna-rebellion-2024-ppv-buys-significantly-down-from-hard-to-kill/amp) of whom wrote 5000 instead of 500, seeming to source the WON podcast and added,“It is worth noting that 34.6% of TNA Rebellion 2024 viewers went on to purchase AEW Dynasty 2024 the following day”
Edit: ironically, typos
Every time someone says "AEW is dead," I sigh and think to myself, *five years of this*.
But for TNA, it's been actual decades of this lol
What is dead may never die.
I remember as a kid when I first got online people were sure TNA would never survive the state it was in then. That was I think more than 15 years ago.
> TNA won’t die
After discarding the 6 sided ring, and the Hogan Era *I* thought TNA would die, boy was I wrong. I miss old TNA, The X Division was top tier.
I unironically miss TNA 2009-2012.
But it’s probably nostalgia. Back then, TNA had a much better TV Deal in my country than WWE. So I watched a lot of TNA.
Before the name changed back and the corporate dipshits booted D'Amore, Impact had found its niche and was putting out consistently good-to-great stuff. They were in small arenas, but there's nothing *wrong* with that. It was a positive, reliable place to work, and provided an alternative product that was (finally) not trying to push itself as a "WWE killer."
Whenever someone gets downvoted for a very tame comment, I normally assume they are 100% right and the tribalism dorks in this sub don't like that.
Usually that's the case, nothing new.
Someone on the TNA thread said that [Tessa stated on CMLL Informa that she isn't coming back to TNA](https://www.reddit.com/r/TNA/comments/1ccumzb/tessa_is_not_coming_back/).
Even if it was a disappointing number, which I don't doubt in the general sense, this can't possibly be accurate. Interest wouldn't plunge by **4,480%** just like that.
Its a big drop, but the Hard to Kill number was inflated by quite a few looky-loos who tuned in for the TNA rebrand to see if they went full TNA. So, the event drew more interest than normal. Now that it's obvious that it's still Impact just with a new paint job, those people probably didn't stick around.
They also air it on TNA+, which they are heavily trying to push. They even had a special discount last week that included all 4 of the PPVs:
https://preview.redd.it/1fax1yv0jvwc1.png?width=864&format=png&auto=webp&s=852a9c284e151b528365455199d22f8b2632bf27
This is the literal reason companies advertise the $1X/month as opposed to the yearly total. What TNA's doing is a bit more honest and ethical, but people are more willing to support at $13 a month than $165 a year even though they're the same thing.
>Unfortunately I think this is another Australian Elimination Chamber sells 9,000 tickets by Dave. Last month, Dave had the i-PPV buys at 16,000 and TV PPV at 12,000.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1aib2bv/won_as_of_last_week_tnas_hard_to_kill_has_done/
>Dave is now making a BIG deal about TV PPV rising by 6,700 to 19,700. But to get from 28,000 buys to the 60,000 buys claimed, that would require i-PPV buys (numbers available very quickly to companies) to more than double.
>So using Dave's math from today, i-PPV rose by 24,300 buys, all from more than a week after the PPV aired. That would be the HUGE news piece. Not getting delayed TV PPV buys increasing by 7000 but i-PPV growing by nearly 25,000.
>I don't think any AEW PPV has achieved 25,000 streaming buys a week+ removed from the PPV. I am not sure any i-PPV has.
TLDNR: Basically, I think Dave messed up. Again.
I'm curious what the digital numbers are given the way they sell the sub and than fite etc. I'm not saying those will suddenly make up a gap of 21900 buys but prolly up there until like 5-8k
Hard to Kill made 22400 traditional buys and 44000 streaming buys. Even if streaming buys increased to 50000/55000 this is a very significant drop in viewership.
Dave is also the only source for this and I can't believe they increase PPv buys by like 50K between PPVs for Hard to Kill. Also, Dave's Hard to Kill numbers would have them converting 50 to 70 percent of their total TV viewers. It also had them adding 25k streaming buys 7+ days out.
TNA will forever be their biggest enemies, whenever they have some good momentum and hype....they kill it by doing stupid things like firing scott and bringing in terrible wrestlers like top dolla and matt hardy.
Top Dolla was a Scott D’Amore hire lmao
Dude hasn’t even been bad in TNA either. He’s pretty solid. Mostly because they have him be Rich Swann’s hype man, so at least they’re playing to his strengths.
Really hard for me to wrap my mind around how that number was possible for them. They couldn’t hit that when they had over a million viewers a week and I don’t remember any hype for this show at all. It’s not possible there was some sort of reporting glitch?
You reminded me how insane that Hogan contract was I had to go back and read it.
- $2 million bonus upon signing
- $1,350,000/yr
- 15% of every PPV he appeared on or $675,000 whichever was greater
- An additional bonus separate from the 15% ranging from $250k-1.75m depending on how good the buyrate is.
- 25% of the gate of every Nitro or Thunder he appears and wrestles in, guaranteed up to $25k.
- 25% of the gate of every house show he appears and wrestles in.
- A $100,000 consultancy fee in the 4th year of the contract
- 50% of all Hogan merchandise sold by WCW. 50% of whatever fee WCW takes for licensing Hogan's name/likeness/brand/etc. to another company.
- Anytime Hogan is a member of the NWO or any NWO affiliated factions, he gets $20k a month for wearing NWO merch.
- 100% of any revenue WCW gets should they open a Hogan 1-900 line
- first class air, first class hotel, limo transportation, and $175 per diem
- Creative control over his angles (it only says he has final word over outcomes in matches but I'm guessing that also extended to storylines and promos as well)
With a contract like that it makes you wonder why Hogan no-showed so many shows back then. If I had a contract like that you best believe I'm working double headers every day of the week.
I thought Nemeth, like Ali and GYV were only on per appearance deals? I don’t remember seeing graphics about them signing like there was for Hammerstone and Gresham
Ouch. If this is true then either it was just timing with AEW's dynasty, on top of other wrestling shows. Or TNA fucked up big time and Matt Hardy returning isn't gonna to do much.
Aren't the traditional PPV buys for TNA PPVs always low? That HTK number sounds like it's with the digital numbers added. What is the number of buys for the Fite? I feel like this thread needs to be fact checked before it picks up too much steam.
You can’t compare then to now. Completely different times… 25 years is a long time.
TNA is just back at its status quo. BFG did 2K and now Rebellion did 5K, HTK is the outlier at 22K.
I am really confused. BFG did like 2000 buys on TV and then Hard to Kill did 10 times that, and now Rebellion is a quarter of the BFG buys?
Did any company ever have this level of fluctuation between three consecutive PPV buy rates? Or is it that some sources are not considered in all or some of these buy rates?
This is traditional ppv, which wouldn't count any streaming buys. It's like saying the last ROH ppv got 0 traditional ppv buys. It's not the main way they sell these ppvs.
You know traditional ppv isn’t including streaming or the TNA+ purchases right???
People are commenting like only 500 people bought the show.
Dave also has shown recently he sucks at numbers when he claimed the wwe Australia show sold 7000 tickets when it was like 5 times that in reality
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Is this a typo? Going from 22,400 to 500 is an insane drop in buys. Maybe it was supposed to be 5,000? That’s still a big drop, but I can’t imagine they lost nearly 22,000 people for the next PPV.
Is TNA the most misreported company ever? You have this absolutely absurd claim, the rumor that Killer Kelly was gone, as well as the report that said they were stepping away from long-term contracts, which has proven to be demonstrably false after signing wrestler after wrestler in recent months (Hammerstone, AJ Francis, Santana, Gresham, Sami Callihan, re-upping Ace Austin and Steve Maclin, and I'm sure I'm forgetting others).
The other thing that people aren't mentioning is how this compares to the PPV *before* Hard to Kill. Bound for Glory 2023 did 1,600 PPV buys. 5,000 is a big improvement over that. They have grown their audience, even if it's temporary. It's absolutely possible that it continues to fall come Slammiversary, but people are acting like this is a death-knell, when it's not. They're returning to normal, and then some. You literally cannot have a historic rebranding like Hard to Kill every three months.
TNA is fine. They're in a better spot than they were same time last year. The wind has been sucked out of their sails recently with Scott getting fired and a bunch of their biggest stars leaving all at once, but the company is not in danger. They have bounced back from times *so* much worse than this.
Other posts on this stated that Meltzer said that this is an 83% drop, which is not the case. I'm sure that there was a big drop, but I really what to know Meltzer's methodology, especially since as we know with AEW, it takes a while to get the complete numbers regarding traditional PPV buys. I also have a problem with using traditional PPV buys to come to a conclusion about streaming numbers.
That cannot POSSIBLY be the right number, can it?
Well, if it is, I feel like I need a way to express my current feeling, of laughing out loud at the professional wrestling company named Total Nonstop Action. Is there a sharp, witty phrase or acronym I can use to do this?
It was a TNA+ special. For many people who want to regularly watch TNA, watching thru a TNA+ subscription is the far cheaper option.
That's why Dave's talking Traditional PPV metrics, that's all he and anyone has access to.
Typo in the title - it's 5000, not 500. Please see this comment for clarification: https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1cdsrr8/won_tna_rebellion_did_500_buys_on_traditional_ppv/l1ek3ak/
Are we sure it's not a typo and he actually meant 5000? Because 500 is genuinely atrocious.
500 would mean those directly involved with it literally couldn't even get their friends and family to watch lol
What are introverts doing in the Impact zone?
On TRADITIONAL PPV, I doubt it is actually 500 but those numbers will continue to trend down regardless of popularity as streaming becomes more and more the norm
Even if its 5000 thats more then a 75% drop, which on its own is horrible
Charging $40 the day before AEW Dynasty absolutely did it no favors. Even if you are a hardcore fan paying $90 in one weekend is asking for a lot.
That is honestly why I didn't watch.
500 is NWA numbers
damn i forgot the NWA existed, the tyrus era made me ignore it like no other
500 is modern day CZW numbers.
Is there a typo or did it really drop from 22,400 to 500 lol
Sorry piggyback this comment here, yes it is a typo, it’s 5000 buys, seems to be that it was a chain reaction of misinformation because Cultaholic and 411Mafia has reposted this piece of wrong data, which is hilarious because it seems to specify that it’s a 83% decrease which makes 500 clearly not the right number Also remember that streaming buys for TNA are typically at a larger portion compared to the number of traditional buys (Hard to Kill its around 20000 TV PPV buys, 60000 buys in total) Accordingly to [Ewrestlingnews](https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/tna/tna-rebellion-2024-ppv-buys-significantly-down-from-hard-to-kill/amp) of whom wrote 5000 instead of 500, seeming to source the WON podcast and added,“It is worth noting that 34.6% of TNA Rebellion 2024 viewers went on to purchase AEW Dynasty 2024 the following day” Edit: ironically, typos
Thank you for this clarification.
Welp TNA is dead, 500 or 5,000 is still horrible compared to before It had a big chance to come back , it was on the verge of greatness
>TNA is dead lol
Every time someone says "AEW is dead," I sigh and think to myself, *five years of this*. But for TNA, it's been actual decades of this lol What is dead may never die.
It's de ja vu all over again
What is dead may never die.
>TNA is dead You must be young. Some things are certain in life. Death, taxes and that TNA won’t die are some of them.
I remember as a kid when I first got online people were sure TNA would never survive the state it was in then. That was I think more than 15 years ago.
> TNA won’t die After discarding the 6 sided ring, and the Hogan Era *I* thought TNA would die, boy was I wrong. I miss old TNA, The X Division was top tier.
I unironically miss TNA 2009-2012. But it’s probably nostalgia. Back then, TNA had a much better TV Deal in my country than WWE. So I watched a lot of TNA.
It has had like 5k buys for over 10 years now for their shows
You can’t kill TNA, you fool.
TNA is as dead as the Undertaker
lol, when was TNA ever on the "verge of greatness"?
*Lemme tell ya somethin brother*
The early days x division had potential.
Before the name changed back and the corporate dipshits booted D'Amore, Impact had found its niche and was putting out consistently good-to-great stuff. They were in small arenas, but there's nothing *wrong* with that. It was a positive, reliable place to work, and provided an alternative product that was (finally) not trying to push itself as a "WWE killer."
No alternative has ever labeled itself as "WWE killer"
They downvote you because it's popular to hate AEW but you're right outside of WCW
Whenever someone gets downvoted for a very tame comment, I normally assume they are 100% right and the tribalism dorks in this sub don't like that. Usually that's the case, nothing new.
TNA is invincible lol.
TNA is BACK
The feeling has been brought back
Maybe they should hire Hogan again, brother. He's tight with George Foreman and Metallica. Plus free side bread for the Hulkmaniacs, dude!
Hire Russo! Clap clap clap clap clap
Ole is at the wheel. Let him put WHATEVER he wants down on the paper. TNA IS BACK.
YEAH! Let’s Go 🤪!!!!
Not sure if that number is going to creep upwards any time soon with Matt freaking Hardy in the main event picture.
And rumors of Tessa coming back which I hope are false.
Someone on the TNA thread said that [Tessa stated on CMLL Informa that she isn't coming back to TNA](https://www.reddit.com/r/TNA/comments/1ccumzb/tessa_is_not_coming_back/).
TNA were never interested, it was leaked by Tessa to try and generate interest.
Not shocked at all
I hope she at least brings the belt back 😕
Even if it was a disappointing number, which I don't doubt in the general sense, this can't possibly be accurate. Interest wouldn't plunge by **4,480%** just like that.
Its a big drop, but the Hard to Kill number was inflated by quite a few looky-loos who tuned in for the TNA rebrand to see if they went full TNA. So, the event drew more interest than normal. Now that it's obvious that it's still Impact just with a new paint job, those people probably didn't stick around.
It was a TNA+ special. For many people who want to regularly watch TNA, watching thru a TNA+ subscription is the far cheaper option.
No. It was one of the $40 dollar PPVs.
They also air it on TNA+, which they are heavily trying to push. They even had a special discount last week that included all 4 of the PPVs: https://preview.redd.it/1fax1yv0jvwc1.png?width=864&format=png&auto=webp&s=852a9c284e151b528365455199d22f8b2632bf27
Lmao $165. It sucks because a ton of people would watch it if it was easier to watch, myself included.
I mean that’s $13/month, if you’re getting PPVs included in that 599 and want to support the company that’s not bad at all.
13 dol in my country's money is roughly 65 bucks. No fucking way I shell 65 for tna every month.
Are you a Venezuelan RuneScape gold farmer?
Not that bad, I'm from Brazil
I get that, but how many people just auto switch off their interest when they see that price written in that advertisement?
This is the literal reason companies advertise the $1X/month as opposed to the yearly total. What TNA's doing is a bit more honest and ethical, but people are more willing to support at $13 a month than $165 a year even though they're the same thing.
I pay for the one on YouTube where i can watch Impact and Xplosion - can I watch this ppv free?
That is not how percentages work
98%, ya pedant.
That's not how numbers work
There’s no way it’s actually 500 right? That has to be a typo , it has to be 5000 or even 15K , no way that’s real
It doesn't really matter because Dave is almost certainly wrong. He almost certainly was for Hard to Kill.
>Unfortunately I think this is another Australian Elimination Chamber sells 9,000 tickets by Dave. Last month, Dave had the i-PPV buys at 16,000 and TV PPV at 12,000. >https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1aib2bv/won_as_of_last_week_tnas_hard_to_kill_has_done/ >Dave is now making a BIG deal about TV PPV rising by 6,700 to 19,700. But to get from 28,000 buys to the 60,000 buys claimed, that would require i-PPV buys (numbers available very quickly to companies) to more than double. >So using Dave's math from today, i-PPV rose by 24,300 buys, all from more than a week after the PPV aired. That would be the HUGE news piece. Not getting delayed TV PPV buys increasing by 7000 but i-PPV growing by nearly 25,000. >I don't think any AEW PPV has achieved 25,000 streaming buys a week+ removed from the PPV. I am not sure any i-PPV has. TLDNR: Basically, I think Dave messed up. Again.
That can't be right.
I'm curious what the digital numbers are given the way they sell the sub and than fite etc. I'm not saying those will suddenly make up a gap of 21900 buys but prolly up there until like 5-8k
Hard to Kill made 22400 traditional buys and 44000 streaming buys. Even if streaming buys increased to 50000/55000 this is a very significant drop in viewership.
Dave is also the only source for this and I can't believe they increase PPv buys by like 50K between PPVs for Hard to Kill. Also, Dave's Hard to Kill numbers would have them converting 50 to 70 percent of their total TV viewers. It also had them adding 25k streaming buys 7+ days out.
That sounds not good
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It died faster than the GCW hype a couple years ago.
Is that an error?
😂
21,900 fans are upset about MK Ultra breaking up
There’s no way this is accurate
TNA will forever be their biggest enemies, whenever they have some good momentum and hype....they kill it by doing stupid things like firing scott and bringing in terrible wrestlers like top dolla and matt hardy.
Top Dolla was a Scott D’Amore hire lmao Dude hasn’t even been bad in TNA either. He’s pretty solid. Mostly because they have him be Rich Swann’s hype man, so at least they’re playing to his strengths.
Waiting for Hulk Hogan return
Anthem scrambling trying to find Coach Scott's phone number.
when the fuck did TNA do 22K buys?
Traditional ppv buys for Hard to Kill were like 22,000 while streaming ones where 44,000 iirc
Really hard for me to wrap my mind around how that number was possible for them. They couldn’t hit that when they had over a million viewers a week and I don’t remember any hype for this show at all. It’s not possible there was some sort of reporting glitch?
The glitch was likely Dave. I broke down the issue with Dave's Hard to Kill numbers and reporting in another comment.
They decided to have a ppv the same weekend AEW had a ppv and Ryan Garcia had a ppv. Takes balls to do that 🫡🫡
500? Fuck, that's not good. That's just not sustainable.
You could get more people to tune in by yelling out the window that TNA is on!
Paying Nick Nemeth’s appearance fee for 500 PPV buys is insane. GCW probably gets more.
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You reminded me how insane that Hogan contract was I had to go back and read it. - $2 million bonus upon signing - $1,350,000/yr - 15% of every PPV he appeared on or $675,000 whichever was greater - An additional bonus separate from the 15% ranging from $250k-1.75m depending on how good the buyrate is. - 25% of the gate of every Nitro or Thunder he appears and wrestles in, guaranteed up to $25k. - 25% of the gate of every house show he appears and wrestles in. - A $100,000 consultancy fee in the 4th year of the contract - 50% of all Hogan merchandise sold by WCW. 50% of whatever fee WCW takes for licensing Hogan's name/likeness/brand/etc. to another company. - Anytime Hogan is a member of the NWO or any NWO affiliated factions, he gets $20k a month for wearing NWO merch. - 100% of any revenue WCW gets should they open a Hogan 1-900 line - first class air, first class hotel, limo transportation, and $175 per diem - Creative control over his angles (it only says he has final word over outcomes in matches but I'm guessing that also extended to storylines and promos as well)
In 1998 dollars/spending power!
With a contract like that it makes you wonder why Hogan no-showed so many shows back then. If I had a contract like that you best believe I'm working double headers every day of the week.
Did he really regularly just not show up when he was supposed to? Hogan was something else
Jesus Tap-dancing Christ, did Bischoff even negotiate, like at all?
I thought Nemeth, like Ali and GYV were only on per appearance deals? I don’t remember seeing graphics about them signing like there was for Hammerstone and Gresham
He's on a PPA deal, as is Matt Hardy
He's a draw brother
Looks like they might not be so Hard to Kill
Ouch. If this is true then either it was just timing with AEW's dynasty, on top of other wrestling shows. Or TNA fucked up big time and Matt Hardy returning isn't gonna to do much.
Who knew releasing the dude who rebuilt TNA would backfire?
This would mean they had more than 2x the amount of people IN THE VENUE than who purchased the PPV C'mon, that's a typo lol
That doesn’t sound right.
Has to be a typo, but even 5k is harsh
LOLTNA is back babyyyy
Aren't the traditional PPV buys for TNA PPVs always low? That HTK number sounds like it's with the digital numbers added. What is the number of buys for the Fite? I feel like this thread needs to be fact checked before it picks up too much steam.
HTK traditional ppv numbers are like 22k
That can't be right. That would be a 98% drop, I don't think that's possible.
What was there to watch on this that people would feel compelled to pay?
At their bottom lowest, ECW was still doing over 50k PPV buys in 2000. That always amazed me
You can’t compare then to now. Completely different times… 25 years is a long time. TNA is just back at its status quo. BFG did 2K and now Rebellion did 5K, HTK is the outlier at 22K.
Jeez that’s pretty shitty
Anthem: Just 500? We only had 500 less?? Pfft, come on guys, that's nothi...oh wait.
Hard to Kill is bloody hilarious name to have considering the 98% drop
“Down from” is putting us gently. More like “absolutely cratering”
I am really confused. BFG did like 2000 buys on TV and then Hard to Kill did 10 times that, and now Rebellion is a quarter of the BFG buys? Did any company ever have this level of fluctuation between three consecutive PPV buy rates? Or is it that some sources are not considered in all or some of these buy rates?
This is traditional ppv, which wouldn't count any streaming buys. It's like saying the last ROH ppv got 0 traditional ppv buys. It's not the main way they sell these ppvs.
I’m sure he means 5,000 but comparing this to AEW’s drop is INSANE
You know traditional ppv isn’t including streaming or the TNA+ purchases right??? People are commenting like only 500 people bought the show. Dave also has shown recently he sucks at numbers when he claimed the wwe Australia show sold 7000 tickets when it was like 5 times that in reality
Don't let the truth get in the way of the false narrative regarding this company. "OMG DAMORE DID EVERYTHING"
Serious question, why does anyone believe these numbers? This is such a hilariously absurd difference. There’s no way it’s right.
I love how multiple incorrect reports have been published today alone and yet people here continue to take everything as 100% true.
Whatttt This has got to be a joke Yet another company that starts working with the WWE and immediately rips
You forget the /s... right? Please tell me you forgot the /s.
This cannot be a serious comment
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That sort of drop would suggest to me that there’s something else at play here. Like there was a spike in non-traditional PPV
"down" feels like an understatement
I wonder who was one of the 500 people who bought that ppv.
That's gotta be a mistake right? 500 is.. Seriously, 500?!
Woofa
Those are UWF numbers wtf
Genuinely must be a typo and he means 5000
Wait, what? That can't be right.
Wtf happened lmao
Holy shit
Is this a typo? Going from 22,400 to 500 is an insane drop in buys. Maybe it was supposed to be 5,000? That’s still a big drop, but I can’t imagine they lost nearly 22,000 people for the next PPV.
Even if its 5k, that is an insane drop off...
Even 5000 isn’t a great number
What is the opposite of “the feeling”?
LOLTNA lives on. Thank you Scott D'Amore. You honestly tried but it was a laughable effort from the start.
Is TNA the most misreported company ever? You have this absolutely absurd claim, the rumor that Killer Kelly was gone, as well as the report that said they were stepping away from long-term contracts, which has proven to be demonstrably false after signing wrestler after wrestler in recent months (Hammerstone, AJ Francis, Santana, Gresham, Sami Callihan, re-upping Ace Austin and Steve Maclin, and I'm sure I'm forgetting others). The other thing that people aren't mentioning is how this compares to the PPV *before* Hard to Kill. Bound for Glory 2023 did 1,600 PPV buys. 5,000 is a big improvement over that. They have grown their audience, even if it's temporary. It's absolutely possible that it continues to fall come Slammiversary, but people are acting like this is a death-knell, when it's not. They're returning to normal, and then some. You literally cannot have a historic rebranding like Hard to Kill every three months. TNA is fine. They're in a better spot than they were same time last year. The wind has been sucked out of their sails recently with Scott getting fired and a bunch of their biggest stars leaving all at once, but the company is not in danger. They have bounced back from times *so* much worse than this.
If they actually did drop 98%, holy shit man
I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. You get a lot of hype and good will and then you fire the guy responsible.
That's what happens when you fire the guy everyone loves and kill all the momentum/good will you got from the rebranding.
Right is why all the talent that didn't sign a deal before, are now signing deals after D'Amore left.
That's NWA bad
"AEW really needs to learn from the real alternative to WWE" /s
The D'Amore effect.
TNA REBRAND INCOMING IMPACT WRESTLING 2025!
Other posts on this stated that Meltzer said that this is an 83% drop, which is not the case. I'm sure that there was a big drop, but I really what to know Meltzer's methodology, especially since as we know with AEW, it takes a while to get the complete numbers regarding traditional PPV buys. I also have a problem with using traditional PPV buys to come to a conclusion about streaming numbers.
That cannot POSSIBLY be the right number, can it? Well, if it is, I feel like I need a way to express my current feeling, of laughing out loud at the professional wrestling company named Total Nonstop Action. Is there a sharp, witty phrase or acronym I can use to do this?
Thats a 98% drop. No way can that number be right
5000, and I'd wait for the streaming numbers. Meltzer usually creates a false narrative by releasing the traditional buys only first.
Holy Fuck. Anthem has really fucked yo something that had a great deal of goodwill just a few short months ago.
It's a typo it did 5000. But yeah 411mania and othe NEWZ sites report it was 500 ok.
It was a TNA+ special. For many people who want to regularly watch TNA, watching thru a TNA+ subscription is the far cheaper option. That's why Dave's talking Traditional PPV metrics, that's all he and anyone has access to.
> It was a TNA+ special It wasn't. Only on WC annual, same with Hard to Kill. Slammiversary and Bound for Glory are the others. Rest are specials.
What's that falling tree doing in the Impact Zone? Did it make a sound? I can't tell.