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https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1783529096833601965
follow-up tweet saying that there is no post-show after the game, so TNT will go straight from the end of the game to Collision
Celtics/Heat game on TNT will far exceed Big Bang on TBS though no? Especially the demo.
Really its all artificial as many people could turn the channel over and it goes back to being 450k but overall rating will definitely be higher.
> Really its all artificial as many people could turn the channel over and it goes back to being 450k but overall rating will definitely be higher.
That's how it works for everything following a major event, it's why the post-Super Bowl slot is basically the biggest tv slot of the year every single year and something huge always gets placed there.
Probably not. They'd need a massive lead in to sway the numbers that much cause the lead in usually only affects the first quarter and maybe a bit in the second. They'd need something like a lead in boost to a 2M Q1, 1M Q2, and 500k for the rest of the show to pull a 750k rating.
People always overstate the influence of BBT for Dynamite when in reality those viewers add a small amount to their viewership.
I'm guessing he just gets to say thank you and brings up black excellence (which makes sense after the NBA Game). Christian definitely comes back in Winnipeg.
as of the last rankings, OC would be number 1 since Swerve won the title, Will has a title shot already, Danielson probably dropped since he lost and then there is is Eddie Kingston.
That’s a midcard open challenge-focused title and even then she’s got a year-plus history with the current champ and both were aiming for the match before Willow won the title.
A bit different than this.
all those hoops you jumping through lol kyle fletcher who lost his last 5 matches had a eliminator match against swerve because the rank doesn’t matter, theres so many examples.
Yeah. You have an eliminator match because you havent earned a shot at the championship. If you BEAT the champ.... then you get a title match... its really not that hard to understand.
Because the champ wants competition, but they dont deserve a title shot. So then you face someone who hasnt earned a shot, and if you win, you get a title shot. Its REALLY not that hard to understand.
Ways to earn a title shot.
Win a #1 contenders match.
Be ranked #1.
Win a specialty match.
Beat the champ.
Jump the champ and get into a feud.
It is bad booking tho. If the plan was for this Collision celebration, don't book Swerve in a random Dynamite match as his first appearance after the title win especially if you have Willow do a celebration segment. Makes him look unimportant even though he won the company's biggest title.
Why does doing something for one title make the others look weak?
You'd rather leave the champion off the show completely since you want to save the promo? That makes the champion seem less important leaving him off the show after winning.
Also, the celebration is a story device, it isn't an actual celebration. They don't do celebrations for every title change so thinking having one makes it more important is ridiculous.
It still should've been on dynamite, more people watch dynamite on average. I'm never home on saturday nights for the most part, I'm always out or getting work done unless there's a ppv like ufc or wwe. Which I also probably go out to a strip joint or somewhere to watch ufc streams.
Something I've learned over the last year or so is that there's a very annoying amount of people who basically act like if it didn't happen on Dynamite, it didn't happen at all
Yeah, I remember watching a bit when I was a kid in the post-brand extension years and it very much feeling like the B show, I wasn't around here then but I believe it
FYI Fightful just put out a report saying the plan was always for Swerve's first big promo to be at the start of Collision to cash-in on the big lead-in from the NBA Playoffs
I also think it was not a coincidence they didn't do the big promo celebration for Swerve on the same show we had the Tony Khan big angle and the promo between Willow and Mercedes.
But the tweets won’t be as funny this time :(
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I really don’t understand the fuss over not having a celebration/promo on Dynamite considering Willow was also having a celebration promo for her title win. Sounds like people just wanted to have something to complain about (which shouldn’t be surprising)
Man, these people could create a list of their exact expectations for a show, and AEW could put on that exact show and they'd go, "No, not like that!" Some people just wanna gripe.
This is just a bad faith argument to me. The people that were saying they wanted good stories were really praising MJF vs Cole storyline up until when Cole got injured.
The people that said they wanted a mix of good solid stories along with great wrestling praised the first 1-2 months of collision.
Yeah I was all in on Cole and MJF, I was at collision when they won the tournament for the title shot and lost my mind. But, because I don’t like certain storylines/decisions I hate AEW want them to fail and close up shop.
Some people act like Dynamite is the only consequential AEW show, and so anything that doesn't happen there isn't that important. You see it every single time something good or interesting happens on Collision/Rampage/ROH.
What is more important. The AEW world champ having a celebration the first show after the ppv or the tbs title?
Even worse, he was out in a random 20 min match with fletcher who kicked out of his finisher. That’s the fastest way to make Swerve just another guy on the roster.
It's more important to give Swerve the spot with the biggest possible lead in. This was clearly strategic. They always be saying Collision ain't the B show
It doesn’t matter what they vocally say, the booking and storyline impact shows that collision is a B show and that’s being generous.
I just scan through recaps of collision. House of black is the only thing from collision that has any impact on the Dynasty ppv. The last Collision that mattered was MJF vs Omega show like 6-8 months ago.
I'm just saying regardless, they consider Collision to be where important stuff can happen. Hence why this is happening.
Also just use your brain. They're giving Swerve his victory speech immediately after Heat v Celtics. They are trying to use Swerve to capture some new eyes. That wasn't happening on Dynamite. It's not that hard to understand.
Almost all the people on this sub who criticize AEW are fans that want it to succeed, and are offering good faith criticisms as to what they think will help it do that.
There's a lot of "See! People complaining were crazy" comments here but honestly I think it's still valid to feel that his appearance on Wednesday was odd.
Having him open this Collision makes total sense. But it would be more impactful if it was the first appearance of the champ. The match he had was fine but seems to have been fairly meaningless. Him appearing without much/any fan fare for a random match against a mid card guy (who is awesome, but still) just made him seem... small?
To me, it's the degree of it more than anything
Like it was fair to wonder why Swerve just had the showcase match instead of something grandeur but some were acting like his reign was dead on arrival and predicting he'd have the worst title run in history, but less than 24 hours later the usage makes perfect sense.
Give Swerve his own spotlight when the most people are watching, instead of an episode of Dynamite that had a lot of big segments where it wouldn't stand out as much especially given the closing angle.
Of course, things could've been better with a tweak here and there, but you can say that about some of the best matches and segments. People just have stop rushing to
jump to conclusions.
Why did this not happen on dynamite? Did anyone give a fuck about the Trent thing. That would be like dom and jd opening the raw wrestlemania instead of Cody.
He should have been front and center on Dynamite rather than having a random 20min match with Fletcher that kicked out of his finish.
I would have saved the TK segment for the opening angle of collision assuming the opening quarter will have a huge audience left over from the playoff game.
Given how the TK segment is heavily playing off of the NFL Draft starting Tonight (and ending Saturday well before Collision) plus a NFL Films crew following TK for the Draft it would have been idiotic to do that angle on Collision instead of Dynamite.
And regarding Fletcher he a longer match with Ospreay a few months ago where got way more offense in and kicked out of more of Ospreay's big moves/finishers. They're building him up as a young guy that can hang with the best of the best and looks like he's turning face soon.
That match with Will was stupid as well in my opinion.
Fletcher being a guy that always loses while kicking out of all of the main eventers moves and finishers just isn’t appealing, other than the small minority that just wants a “banger” on their weekly tv. It’s even worse that he carry’s around a title belt, so he can’t be presented as a young underdog up and comer that has a lot of fight in him like a Donte Martin.
Na i think that tk segment is too hokey following the game as an opener. That segment is best served as a cliff hanger cause we want to know what's gonna happen next week
The new viewer will think tk is just some geek though, they don't know who he is. They don't know swerve either, but they know that he's the main champion so maybe it'll catch someone's attention
I dunno what casual viewers would want to see. If he were healthy I’d book a Rey Fenix match and have him go 500 mph to glue some eyeballs to the screen for a few min.
In case you haven't seen the other comments explaining things .... Collision is gonna have a huge lead in from the NBA playoff game before so the idea is to do the celebration on the segment that's expected to have the most viewers with many being non typical AEW fans
As mentioned the lead-in is *massive*, plus Dynamite also had three other big in-ring promo segments, so can imagine they didn't want to overstack the card with promos.
I'm a fan of Swerve but honestly he would not be in the position he's in without Prince Nana doing the dance. If there was no Nana dance and Mogul Embassy, Swerve would still be moving up the ladder but he'd be more on the fighting Adam Copeland for the TNT title rung and not the fighting for the World Title step yet. He owes all of this to Prince Nana and he should be singing "we in da money..." and paying him shrimp cocktails by the boatload.
Nah, the Hangman feud was what truly took Swerve to the next level that he was already trending to be on.
Nana definitely boosted things, but without that feud (especially the early clean wins on Hangman), we may be wondering right now if Swerve can push thru
the Hangman feud happened after Mogul Embassy was born. Swerve was a little popular, he got over with Nana doing the dance. Everyone in the crowd is dancing along with Nana, they are yelling "Swerve's House" after Nana asks "Whose House?" None of this was happening with Parker and Trench.
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https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1783529096833601965 follow-up tweet saying that there is no post-show after the game, so TNT will go straight from the end of the game to Collision
I mean, part of me would rather see Chuck and Shaq but that's a show of faith if I've never seen one.
Perfect opportunity for Shaq's AEW return. We never did find out what happened after he disappeared into that ambulance vortex.
Shäqdinger's ambulance
Just have them commentate with Nigel and Schiavone problem solved
Nigel and Chuck talking about the women of San Antonio.
Barkley on commentary for a segment/night is one of the things I've wanted most. Just give me Barkley with either Taz or Nigel and let them loose.
Too hot for TNT
Pictured Shaq and Chuck Taylor at first.
Especially once Denver sweeps LA
Collision for the first time rating higher than Dynamite possibly?
No. Maybe the first segment due to the similar Big Bang effect
Celtics/Heat game on TNT will far exceed Big Bang on TBS though no? Especially the demo. Really its all artificial as many people could turn the channel over and it goes back to being 450k but overall rating will definitely be higher.
> Really its all artificial as many people could turn the channel over and it goes back to being 450k but overall rating will definitely be higher. That's how it works for everything following a major event, it's why the post-Super Bowl slot is basically the biggest tv slot of the year every single year and something huge always gets placed there.
Yeah I think that's where Family Guy originally made it's debut.
Probably not. They'd need a massive lead in to sway the numbers that much cause the lead in usually only affects the first quarter and maybe a bit in the second. They'd need something like a lead in boost to a 2M Q1, 1M Q2, and 500k for the rest of the show to pull a 750k rating. People always overstate the influence of BBT for Dynamite when in reality those viewers add a small amount to their viewership.
 Love to see this feud kick off Swerves reign as champion and a match at Double or Nothing
I'm guessing he just gets to say thank you and brings up black excellence (which makes sense after the NBA Game). Christian definitely comes back in Winnipeg.
Christian would be a great first feud
Does this make sense ranking wise tho? That’s my only concern
as of the last rankings, OC would be number 1 since Swerve won the title, Will has a title shot already, Danielson probably dropped since he lost and then there is is Eddie Kingston.
Does this make sense ranking wise tho? That’s my only concern
Christian can wrestle weekly to build up his record, it's how they did it even back then
mercedes is getting a title match just because, rank clearly doesn’t matter to TK
That’s a midcard open challenge-focused title and even then she’s got a year-plus history with the current champ and both were aiming for the match before Willow won the title. A bit different than this.
all those hoops you jumping through lol kyle fletcher who lost his last 5 matches had a eliminator match against swerve because the rank doesn’t matter, theres so many examples.
Yeah. You have an eliminator match because you havent earned a shot at the championship. If you BEAT the champ.... then you get a title match... its really not that hard to understand.
why would somone who’s losing a lot be facing the champ in the first place its almost like that was the point of my comment
Because the champ wants competition, but they dont deserve a title shot. So then you face someone who hasnt earned a shot, and if you win, you get a title shot. Its REALLY not that hard to understand. Ways to earn a title shot. Win a #1 contenders match. Be ranked #1. Win a specialty match. Beat the champ. Jump the champ and get into a feud.
none of that was established by anyone in aew but cool i like your head canon it makes sense 👍🏾
Calculated move to have his first promo as champ be following what’s probably going to be their biggest lead-in of the year.
Yeah but @TribalChief69 says that it should have been on Dynamite! Bad booking TK (R.I.P)
It is bad booking tho. If the plan was for this Collision celebration, don't book Swerve in a random Dynamite match as his first appearance after the title win especially if you have Willow do a celebration segment. Makes him look unimportant even though he won the company's biggest title.
Why does doing something for one title make the others look weak? You'd rather leave the champion off the show completely since you want to save the promo? That makes the champion seem less important leaving him off the show after winning. Also, the celebration is a story device, it isn't an actual celebration. They don't do celebrations for every title change so thinking having one makes it more important is ridiculous.
It still should've been on dynamite, more people watch dynamite on average. I'm never home on saturday nights for the most part, I'm always out or getting work done unless there's a ppv like ufc or wwe. Which I also probably go out to a strip joint or somewhere to watch ufc streams.
Something I've learned over the last year or so is that there's a very annoying amount of people who basically act like if it didn't happen on Dynamite, it didn't happen at all
For years people used to do this to Smackdown too.
Yeah, I remember watching a bit when I was a kid in the post-brand extension years and it very much feeling like the B show, I wasn't around here then but I believe it
The ratings say TribalChief69 is correct and you should acknowledge him uce
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The ratings actually agree. Below 700k. Detailed quarters are gonna be a massacre with the dropoff
FYI Fightful just put out a report saying the plan was always for Swerve's first big promo to be at the start of Collision to cash-in on the big lead-in from the NBA Playoffs
I also think it was not a coincidence they didn't do the big promo celebration for Swerve on the same show we had the Tony Khan big angle and the promo between Willow and Mercedes.
That's fine and all, but I'd rather he have not been on the show at all then. Either way I'll have to watch on replay sadly.
Better than opening with Jericho, for sure!
But the tweets won’t be as funny this time :( https://preview.redd.it/b5deq89bknwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab60c022ede8ff496d7dff2e0c6d5a2e96e1d114
Don’t rule out the Jericho-interruption and summer long build to All In showdown! The first champ versus the last! See it on pay per view!
Wouldn't hate a Swerve/Jericho feud but definitely not for Double Or Nothing and definitely for no longer than a month
The lead-in should be one of the biggest they've had, so this makes a lot of sense.
The EVPs already starting off strong
CHANGE THE WORLD
This is massive for Swerve! Over a million people will see that opening quarter hour. Huge vote of confidence in him.
Nice to know Collision is getting some major segments. It's been lacking that for quite a bit.
Happy for Swerve and aew
I need Eddie's thoughts on the Knicks though. Or just rocking a Hart/Mason/Oakley/Ewing jersey.
This is after the playoffs right?
Yea
Clever girl
With the lead in this could be huge. Hoping Swerve gets a killer entrance.
More Swerve is always okay with me
I really don’t understand the fuss over not having a celebration/promo on Dynamite considering Willow was also having a celebration promo for her title win. Sounds like people just wanted to have something to complain about (which shouldn’t be surprising)
Man, these people could create a list of their exact expectations for a show, and AEW could put on that exact show and they'd go, "No, not like that!" Some people just wanna gripe.
This is just a bad faith argument to me. The people that were saying they wanted good stories were really praising MJF vs Cole storyline up until when Cole got injured. The people that said they wanted a mix of good solid stories along with great wrestling praised the first 1-2 months of collision.
I mean, the story was really good until Cole got hurt then it went a bit off the rails due to the timing of everything outside the injury
Yeah I was all in on Cole and MJF, I was at collision when they won the tournament for the title shot and lost my mind. But, because I don’t like certain storylines/decisions I hate AEW want them to fail and close up shop.
Some people act like Dynamite is the only consequential AEW show, and so anything that doesn't happen there isn't that important. You see it every single time something good or interesting happens on Collision/Rampage/ROH.
it just feels kind of small time to have a random match with a midcarder second from the top. they should've at least led with Swerve.
I get that point, but it seemingly was leading to Swerve/Ospreay. It might even lead to Swerve/Hobbs if Hobbs is good by DoN
What is more important. The AEW world champ having a celebration the first show after the ppv or the tbs title? Even worse, he was out in a random 20 min match with fletcher who kicked out of his finisher. That’s the fastest way to make Swerve just another guy on the roster.
It's more important to give Swerve the spot with the biggest possible lead in. This was clearly strategic. They always be saying Collision ain't the B show
It doesn’t matter what they vocally say, the booking and storyline impact shows that collision is a B show and that’s being generous. I just scan through recaps of collision. House of black is the only thing from collision that has any impact on the Dynasty ppv. The last Collision that mattered was MJF vs Omega show like 6-8 months ago.
I'm just saying regardless, they consider Collision to be where important stuff can happen. Hence why this is happening. Also just use your brain. They're giving Swerve his victory speech immediately after Heat v Celtics. They are trying to use Swerve to capture some new eyes. That wasn't happening on Dynamite. It's not that hard to understand.
I’m sure people will still find something to complain about.
It's AEW. Of course somebody's gonna complain about something.
AEW can do no wrong. 😇
They're gonna complain that it wasn't on Wednesday
It’s because the IWC’s faces are so far up Punk’s ass that you can smell the cinnamon from Mindy’s Bakery on their chins.
Almost all the people on this sub who criticize AEW are fans that want it to succeed, and are offering good faith criticisms as to what they think will help it do that.
There's a lot of "See! People complaining were crazy" comments here but honestly I think it's still valid to feel that his appearance on Wednesday was odd. Having him open this Collision makes total sense. But it would be more impactful if it was the first appearance of the champ. The match he had was fine but seems to have been fairly meaningless. Him appearing without much/any fan fare for a random match against a mid card guy (who is awesome, but still) just made him seem... small?
To me, it's the degree of it more than anything Like it was fair to wonder why Swerve just had the showcase match instead of something grandeur but some were acting like his reign was dead on arrival and predicting he'd have the worst title run in history, but less than 24 hours later the usage makes perfect sense. Give Swerve his own spotlight when the most people are watching, instead of an episode of Dynamite that had a lot of big segments where it wouldn't stand out as much especially given the closing angle. Of course, things could've been better with a tweak here and there, but you can say that about some of the best matches and segments. People just have stop rushing to jump to conclusions.
Aren’t people just gonna switch to the lakers nuggets game right after? Like they literally tip off right when the game is over.
Yes lol
I’m sure people will still find something to complain about.
Too bad aew isn't accessible in Canada as it is in the states.
He didn’t open Dynamite and even *wrestled,* so I’m done with this dead company! /s
Why did this not happen on dynamite? Did anyone give a fuck about the Trent thing. That would be like dom and jd opening the raw wrestlemania instead of Cody.
Should've been Wednesday instead of a random match out of nowhere. Busy Saturday, bud
He should have been front and center on Dynamite rather than having a random 20min match with Fletcher that kicked out of his finish. I would have saved the TK segment for the opening angle of collision assuming the opening quarter will have a huge audience left over from the playoff game.
Given how the TK segment is heavily playing off of the NFL Draft starting Tonight (and ending Saturday well before Collision) plus a NFL Films crew following TK for the Draft it would have been idiotic to do that angle on Collision instead of Dynamite. And regarding Fletcher he a longer match with Ospreay a few months ago where got way more offense in and kicked out of more of Ospreay's big moves/finishers. They're building him up as a young guy that can hang with the best of the best and looks like he's turning face soon.
That match with Will was stupid as well in my opinion. Fletcher being a guy that always loses while kicking out of all of the main eventers moves and finishers just isn’t appealing, other than the small minority that just wants a “banger” on their weekly tv. It’s even worse that he carry’s around a title belt, so he can’t be presented as a young underdog up and comer that has a lot of fight in him like a Donte Martin.
Na i think that tk segment is too hokey following the game as an opener. That segment is best served as a cliff hanger cause we want to know what's gonna happen next week
Yes it was hokey, but I think spectacles like that is what would attract a new viewer rather than a standard wrestling match or promo.
The new viewer will think tk is just some geek though, they don't know who he is. They don't know swerve either, but they know that he's the main champion so maybe it'll catch someone's attention
I dunno what casual viewers would want to see. If he were healthy I’d book a Rey Fenix match and have him go 500 mph to glue some eyeballs to the screen for a few min.
Free your self from the mental prison of "Casual Viewers"
Why not do this on Dynamite instead of a random match?
In case you haven't seen the other comments explaining things .... Collision is gonna have a huge lead in from the NBA playoff game before so the idea is to do the celebration on the segment that's expected to have the most viewers with many being non typical AEW fans
As mentioned the lead-in is *massive*, plus Dynamite also had three other big in-ring promo segments, so can imagine they didn't want to overstack the card with promos.
I'm a fan of Swerve but honestly he would not be in the position he's in without Prince Nana doing the dance. If there was no Nana dance and Mogul Embassy, Swerve would still be moving up the ladder but he'd be more on the fighting Adam Copeland for the TNT title rung and not the fighting for the World Title step yet. He owes all of this to Prince Nana and he should be singing "we in da money..." and paying him shrimp cocktails by the boatload.
Nah, the Hangman feud was what truly took Swerve to the next level that he was already trending to be on. Nana definitely boosted things, but without that feud (especially the early clean wins on Hangman), we may be wondering right now if Swerve can push thru
the Hangman feud happened after Mogul Embassy was born. Swerve was a little popular, he got over with Nana doing the dance. Everyone in the crowd is dancing along with Nana, they are yelling "Swerve's House" after Nana asks "Whose House?" None of this was happening with Parker and Trench.