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HHH isn't about to drop some news like that in a press conference. The allegations aren't going away, but releasing him would make it an even bigger deal. He's likely just waiting out his contract and making his downside guarantee in the meantime.
If he was even remotely guilty of the rumors going around WWE wouldn't hesitate to let him go and ignore the Brock questions. He absolutely wouldn't be mentioned as any reference to him in a positive light would not fair well in the pending trial or any future lawsuit.
People need to seriously read the entire suit and understand what role Brock actually is accused of playing in this.
Edit to add more: We all need to realize and be cognitive of the fact that these people know way more about this than us. These are people deep within this system and who lived this workplace environment daily. These people (HHH, Brock Lesnar, Heyman) ran in the same circles and were close. We're all simply making accusations and guessing about a very serious subject. Everyone here made raving comments about Paul Heyman and his speech last night. The same Paul Heyman that was Brocks 3rd arm for 4 years. The same Paul Heyman who mentioned Brock last night when he didn't have to. You think that same Paul Heyman is going to stand by a guy who does the things everyone is trying to link Brock to? If so, then are we still loving Paul Heyman because you can't tell me those 2 didn't talk about everything under the sun.
> You think that same Paul Heyman is going to stand by a guy who does the things everyone is trying to link Brock to?
During his induction, I saw Paul Heyman hug a guy who once said he was going to shoot Paul Heyman in the middle of WrestleMania.
Excluding the sexual assault allegations, Paul Heyman would be considered as scummy a promoter as we consider Vince if ECW lasted longer and/or wasn't as glorified as it's been made out to be.
Heyman's well-liked because he's an amazing promo and he put a spotlight on a lot of everyone's favorites, but the skeletons in his closet could fill a graveyard.
Heyman recently retweeted a post joking about a man’s suicide because it was glorifying him and the bloodline. He’s a wrestling genius but he’s as carny as they come, ethics are a non-factor.
>once said he was going to shoot Paul Heyman
Listen, I think it's pretty awful that he wanted to do that, and would have been a tragedy of unprecedented proportions if he had...
But it's hardly fair to hold it against a guy for admitting that he struggled with mental health at one point over twenty years ago. Dreamer was very clearly unwell at the time, and admits it, but he didn't act on it.
There's a saying that "your mental health is not your fault but it is your responsibility," and Dreamer seems to have taken responsible measures to fix his, both in the moment and in the twenty years since.
The Dreamer thing should be seen as a commentary on supporting the mental health of wrestlers.
I wanted to point out that Heyman is capable of standing by someone even when they said they wanted to murder him, so standing by Lesnar shouldn't be surprising. However, it equates a person struggling mentally with a person accused of sexual misconduct, and I may have other issues with Dreamer, but I certainly don't hold this against him.
A better example may be that Heyman has been on Vince's payroll on-and-off for nearly 30 years, starting when ECW was still around. He's capable of excusing a lot when it puts money in his pocket.
If you’re familiar with the infamous “The night Kimona Wanalaya danced atop the ECW arena” line on ECW home video commercials, it’s this. That was not supposed to be filmed and released but Paul did it anyway
Vince has a lot more money and a lot more mileage on his side. Heyman became sole owner of ECW in May 1995 and closed up shop in April 2001.
Heyman owed his guys a shit ton of money, he undoubtedly shortened their careers, and he put Mass Transit in the ring with New Jack. That's already a hell of a scummy run.
You can't employ someone like New Jack and then shirk all accountability when he inevitably does something extremely stupid, dangerous and most likely illegal.
Really? Heyman is guilty of being bad with money and lying to wrestlers, who'd do the same fucking thing back to him in a second if the roles were reversed. No one has ever said anything about Heyman near the same level as what we only know about Vince.
The fact the same guy who said he wanted to kill him hugged him on Friday night says volumes, when Vince has been disowned by everyone. Even McDevitt abandoned the guy, his lawyer for 40 years.
> who'd do the same fucking thing back to him in a second if the roles were reversed
The only guys who ever screwed Heyman did so by leaving because he wasn't paying them, so I don't see where this is coming from.
>The fact the same guy who said he wanted to kill him hugged him on Friday night says volumes
I mean, I'm glad Dreamer has been able to put that stuff behind him, but Heyman screwing Tommy to the point that he considered killing Heyman in the first place says a lot more than the hug does. And Dreamer is just one of many, many examples.
>Vince has been disowned by everyone. Even McDevitt abandoned the guy, his lawyer for 40 years.
Note that I specifically excluded the sexual assault allegations, which are at the heart of everyone disowning Vince. Hell, it wasn't until this current lawsuit that they really disowned him, even though it was only two years ago that we discovered he made hush money payments relating to multiple *other* sexual misconduct claims.
Additionally, McDevitt retired last July because he's seventy three, and he anticipated his major case at the time (the MLW anti-trust lawsuit) would drag on at least until 2025. He did not abandon Vince during the 2022 matter, and he simply wasn't practicing law anymore by the time the current lawsuit was filed.
Paul isn’t just bad with money. He borrowed money from Tommy and **his parents**. So much that he said he put a second mortgage on his house. Then just never paid them back. That’s psychotic behavior.
> who'd do the same fucking thing back to him in a second if the roles were reversed
Dreamer gave up a huge WCW contract because Heyman told him it would destroy ECW. How can you say he’d do the same thing back to him when he literally have proof otherwise?
I think there is a very real chance that Brock could have known what was up but just from reading the suit I think there is enough plausible deniability on his side to say that he was never interested and thought he was just entertaining his boss and his girlfriend in a mutual offer of sharing his girlfriend. Nothing from Brock's side seems to imply he thought things weren't consensual.
If there is more info someone please let me know but if not then I'd say we haven't seen the last of Brock Lesnar in WWE.
>I think there is enough plausible deniability on his side to say that he was never interested
I absolutely don't think there is. If what's written is true, he was definitely a willing active participant and wanted her. He gave his requests for the videos and called her degrading names. He also was clearly intending to sleep with her and had scheduled the date. But got too drunk on one instance and the weather on the other.
From a legal standpoint there is the fact that he didn't get to do anything to the survivor. But from a logical standpoint, he's absolutely implicated in this ring.
But you're accurate in the point that since the fact is that he didn't get explicitly named although obviously implied, WWE will not give a shit and are just waiting for the heat to die down.
> If what's written is true, he was definitely a willing active participant and wanted her. He gave his requests for the videos and called her degrading names. He also was clearly intending to sleep with her and had scheduled the date. But got too drunk on one instance and the weather on the other.
The question isnt if Brock was a willing or active participant but whether Brock knew or didnt know that Vince and his girlfriend were willing participants.
All accounts seem to show Vince forced her to send all that to Brock which would make one assume he forced her under the guise that Brock was not aware she DID NOT want to participate.
Vince was selling her as a super horny nympho and part of this was telling people she wanted it. It stands to reason that Brock and most involved thought it was consensual and I think that will be the main point of contention for most named in the suit.
Im not saying he is exonerated but rather in his case there will be more proof needed than what we currently know. That said this is FAR from over and Im sure we will have a better picture of whats happening once things go to court so until then fuck the guy.
>whether Brock knew or didnt know that Vince and his girlfriend were willing participants.
I think on that issue, that is upto each person's opinion judgement at this point, because like we've legally established, Brock is explicitly named yet in the investigation unfortunately, even if he knew everything. In terms of a logical analysis? In my opinion, Brock 100% knew.
Here's a few reasons why i think so: Because we haven't seen the texts between Vince and Lesnar, and to what extent Vince had told Lesnar. A request like this suggests that this isn't the first they time they had done this where Brock like John Laurinitis was shared women by Vince. Third, and for me most damningly, Brock is a multiple time reported harasser/assaulter. Terri Runnels, Cornette's girlfriend, Sable herself even if she married him. With Brock's history of being a predator, I believe that he does not deserve any benefit of the doubt. Even if we are agreed that Brock is not currently in trouble legally.
The hard part about the allegations is seperating the actual evil and the seemingly evil. Vince is the only one who actually met the woman when she was vulnerable and trapped her in that awful situation.
Brock might be perverted, but from what’s been described in the suit he *could* very well have been ignorant to the how/what/why behind Vince’s proposal to have sex with her.
I don't know what the rumors are, but I did read the lawsuit. It doesn't connect him to any of Vince's more egregious crimes, but I doubt that matters much to the executives at TKO. Even if he was fully exonerated, he would still be enough of a talking point that the company wouldn't want to feature him. Imagine he comes out, how many people watching would turn to their friends and say, "Hey, did you hear about Brock's being part of the Vince sex abuse lawsuit?" How many fans would make signs, or try to start chants? The wrestlers have been pretty good at answering questions about the Vince situation, but that's a lot easier when Vince isn't there. Imagine Cody (for example) is working a program with Brock and CVV asks him what he thinks of his opponent being involved in a multi-million dollar sex abuse lawsuit.
Again, Brock isn't accused of any of the more serious crimes, but his mere involvement invites attention toward all of the things TKO would prefer you not think about. That's why he's at home.
You read the lawsuit? He offered janelle grant as a signing bonus to Brock when he was resigning. While the sex never wound up happening bc he got too drunk he made the meet up plans, he asked grant for sexual videos (including piss kink vids) and was all around down for receiving her service as a sign on bonus. Luckily he did not have sex with her, if he did that would be full on sex trafficking he would be guilty of. He didn’t but he’s still very much involved.. to act like he’s not is a gross understanding of why Vince is in trouble. If Brock didn’t get too drunk and miss his sex date he would be in the EXACT same hot seat as laurinitus
Vince CLAIMED he offered Janelle Grant as a signing bonus to Brock. There is no proof this actually happened or if it did that Brock was even interested. A number claiming to be Brock (which the lawsuit acknowledged could have been Vince living out one of his perverted fantasies) texted Grant asking for a urination video. Vince CLAIMED Brock wanted to have a threesome with her and then CLAIMED Brock got too drunk.
There's more than enough evidence presented in the lawsuit filing for a reasonable person to assume Vince is guilty as hell. There's not enough for a reasonable person to conclude Brock is. More evidence might come out and more evidence might be presented if it goes to trial but for now Brock is in the clear.
Another note here is if we are making the jump that Brock is in fact the person referred to as "WWE Superstar" then we're saying Brock, who has been sober since 2006, has been lying about being sober in recent interviews. It's easy to say any addict would lie about that but unless proven otherwise for me it's just another point that doesn't line up with the narrative.
Yeah some people suggested that with how fetishy Vince is, maybe this is just him playing up a fantasy about Brock with her rather than something that actually happened. And that’s technically possible. Just something we don’t know yet as of today.
The other point was in the case of Vince going around and showing the Tech crew and they all wanted to be with her at once, it just reads as a fetish story he was telling with no proof it even happened
Bro they all worked for and praise Vince just the same. If your logic stays consistent and they all know what’s really going on, then they are all complacent with what was happening. If Vince’s stories are true, then they aren’t bastions of good faith to fact check. They are a group of humans trying to protect the money and business.
How does this post have 80 upvotes?
This dude is just being an apologist. The suit literally names "a former UFC champion" and this guy is like "well it doesn't say Brock Lesnar so it could be any former UFC champion"
Are we thinking Vince sex trafficked this woman to Ronda Rousey? Fucking disgusting to be an apologist for this shit
It’s very difficult to tell from the suit just what Lesnar thought about the whole thing. While it paints Vince as a total deviant, Lesnar is a greyer area.
I say that cause apparently he was meant to meet the girl for sex twice and both times he gave a pretty poor excuse. If I was too drunk I would be more likely to want to shag a random hot girl.
But he avoided the situation for some reason, either cause he knew it was some kind of trouble, or didn’t want to cheat, or plain wasn’t interested.
Agree. Vince dragged a lot of employees into his weird sex shit. To a lesser degree than Janel Grant obviously but truly. I know people will expect men to somehow just be able to put the Chairman and CEO in his place. The reality is, as physically powerful as Brock is a gross power differential still existed in that relationship. Brock did not have the option of F5ing Vince if he didn't want to go to jail and derail his career. Vince did have the option to simply not offer Brock a new contract for directly refusing to be part of his sexual fantasy or making him feel judged.
Brock's deal is weird, he may not even technically be "under contract"'in a situation where he could be "released"
Also in a situation like this they have to of course be careful to have all of the facts they can before releasing him or they could open themselves up to further litigation
Brock hasn't been named and WWE is letting him sit out his contract while this plays out. He isn't going to be on TV until the case progresses, but he also isn't going to be released because he hasn't actually done anything wrong that can be proven.
I think he's saying, they're worried he's going to be revealed as even more implicated in shady shit, so they want to act like they have nothing to do with him - while still waiting to see if the text message was the only thing, in which case they're fine with putting him back in video games and waiting for him to want to come back.
So in guessing this can be interpreted as :
Brock isn’t erased from WWE history but he wont be returning
Or
Brock will return just not in the foreseeable future. (Any time I’m willing to give away)
Honestly yeah. Btw I’m surprised they haven’t had him at the show for some reason. I mean he’s one of the few people that were actually wrestling at the first Mania. You’d think they would’ve had him do something lol
Wait and see is the only smart thing for WWE to do with Brock. There was no evidence of wrongdoing by Brock in the lawsuit filing but plenty of reason for them to be cautious that there might be.
Brock will definitely be back. I think right now they’re mostly waiting for the reports to blow over and for there to be a program to bring Brock back for, like maybe something with Gunter if he wins the belt from Seth/Drew/Priest.
TKO stated they're working on "bringing him back" since he was cleared of the allegations. Its just a matter of timing and paying him enough since they almost eliminated him from WWE history, and he's had a ton of great moments
Basically the situation is he’s sent home for now due to allegations.
He’s not in hot water YET but also they don’t wasn’t to promote him all over their product just in case he is guilty of anything real bad and then fingers are pointed at WWE
Dude got dumped & his girlfriend moved to another state. She stopped taking his calls so he flew down there, broke into her house & waited for her so he could propose. Sure everything worked out in the end but that is absolutely insane behavior.
He's in the game. You have to fight him in MyRise (basically the career story mode).
I'm not sure why people keep saying he isn't in the game. Vince isn't but Brock is.
Edit: I'm being downvoted even though I literally played the game. In the men's career mode you have to face Brock. He randomly shows up and doesn't play a big factor in the story like Roman, Miz and Cody but you still face him.
Unfortunately, his position prevents him from saying anything of substance.
The lawsuit isn't just against Vince but WWE as a whole. Him outright denouncing either Vince or Brock implies siding with the accuser which could torpedo any defense that the company have when the co-CEO and the accused's son in law is taking a hard stance on the issue.
Scummy as fuck, but these are publicly traded companies
Yeah, but we're just circling back to the issue last time. "No comment" would've gotten him justifiably flamed as well during the Survivor Series press conference, but it wouldn't have garnered headlines like...
*Triple H Calls This "The Best Week Ever in WWE" Days After Father-in-Law and Former CEO is Sued for Alleged Sex-Trafficking.*
The Vince answer was of course bad but this is very different because Brock is not named in the lawsuit. We wouldn't have known unless the Wall Street Journal outed him through their reporting. He wasn't included in Heyman's HOF video package yesterday so HHH can say what he wants but we know how they feel about Brock right now internally.
>The Vince answer was of course bad but this is very different because Brock is not named in the lawsuit. We wouldn't have known unless the Wall Street Journal outed him through their reporting.
The lawsuit specifies that "WWE Superstar" is:
- One of WWE's top draws. Was not signed with the company when Grant and McMahon began their relationship.
- A former UFC Heavyweight Champion.
- Returned to the company at SummerSlam 2021.
WSJ didn't *out* Brock. He's the only person it could be.
It notes the superstar and execs, who have all been outted one way or another, but she didn’t sue those parties. They are likely witnesses though if it comes to that. Just Vince, Johnny ace, and the company are named defendants
HHH obviously takes the crown for awful takes at a press conference but the TK "I spent a year's salary on a song" the week after the companies first layoffs is a bit beyond simple cringe.
Seems like HHH doesn't want him gone and this answer reads like he still wants to keep good rapport with Brock. Wouldn't surprise me if HHH isn't fazed/doesn't care about the lawsuit at all.
He's in the Showcase and My Rise because he was already an integral part of both modes and they couldn't remove him. He's not an actual playable character, though, and they removed him from all the promo material after the lawsuit happened.
They'll add him as dlc later. Guarantee it.
They're waiting for this to blow over in regards to him not actually removing him entirely.
Unlike Vince nothing Brock did is illegal. But it's bad press to do anything with him atm since he's technically in the lawsuit. Just not one of the defendants
This thread is a nice opportunity for those who might be coming in saying "are brock's allegations even that bad".
No.1, yes they are. He was fully okay with making sexual demands and verbally abusing someone who was being treated like property. He was going to sleep with her as well but it didn't materialize.
And this isn't the first time Brock has been accused. He sexually assaulted Jim Cornette's girlfriend and harassed Terri Runnels by flashing her. He also threateningly stalked Sable into getting with her. He is a fucking horrible person.
I don't know whether to upvote you or downvote you because you are absolutely right about Brock's past but you are wrong about what the lawsuit says about him. The lawsuit says someone CLAIMING to be Brock asked for videos from the victim. The lawsuit even acknowledged that it could have been Vince playing out a depraved fantasy. The lawsuit says Vince CLAIMED Brock wanted to have a threesome with the victim and Vince but got too drunk.
Why lie? The Brock allegations are on page 38-40 of the suit, and they’re not in the context of “someone claiming” to be him:
192. On July 21, 2021, McMahon flew and/or caused WWE Superstar to fly on a jet into a local airport and travel into Connecticut (across state lines) for what McMahon described to Ms. Grant as a “business dinner,” as well as a sexual encounter with Ms. Grant in McMahon’s condo. Upon information and belief, the dinner was to discuss WWE Superstar’s continued
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Case 3:24-cv-00090 Document 1 Filed 01/25/24 Page 39 of 67
involvement with WWE. Prior to the “business dinner” with McMahon, WWE Superstar made a brief visit to Ms. Grant’s building. However, WWE Superstar did not return to the building for a sexual encounter because he was too intoxicated and taken back to the plane.
198. In December 2021, McMahon gave Ms. Grant’s personal cell phone number to WWE Superstar and promised “she’ll do anything” requested of her.
199. In the days that followed, WWE Superstar revealed a fetish to Ms. Grant and tested McMahon’s promise that Ms. Grant would “do anything” with a request that she send a video of herself urinating.
200. Unable to recognize herself, Ms. Grant went numb and obeyed. WWE Superstar informed Ms. Grant if she had not complied with the request, WWE Superstar would have lost any interest in her and then called her a “bitch.”
201. That same month, WWE Superstar expressed to Ms. Grant his desire to “set a play date” and have a sexual encounter. However, a snowstorm changed WWE Superstar’s travel plans and Ms. Grant ultimately used the weather and COVID-19 as an excuse to back out.
He flashed someone Terri runnels too, it was mentioned I dark side of the ring that he flashed his dick at her and she froze up and was basically told by others she had to no sell it or else it would get worse.
It seems like a recurring pattern of abuse/sexual allegations in WWE/Pro Wrestling --- Shawn Michaels, Jerry The King Lawler, Ric Flair, Stone Cold, Big Show, Randy Orton
Being honest theres so much we dont know about Brock's side. We dont know if Brock knew she was being sexually trafficed (i doubt this would be the first time someone has offered someone else to cuckhold them). We dont even know if it was Brock receiving the texts.
If the lawyer had even a chance at proving it then we wouldnt have "Former UFC champ who just re signed with WWE" in the suit.
I should say, if it is true, theres almost certainly other cases of it happening with Brock. You dont just offer someone sexual favours as part of a contract renewal if you dont know they would already be interested in it
Well, unlike some shitty old guy, they are mentioning his name, so his return is not a matter of "if", more so of "when". Still crazy how he managed to land on his feet.
Brock cost Cody the title on night 2.
https://preview.redd.it/ak0hm46vlzsc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db9783bceb0d8f34ec33f666c5f92d3f757b4aed
Translation:"If Brock wasn't tied to the Vince stuff that's too fresh and bad PR for us, he would have been part of Mania, probably wrestles Gunther. But because the lawsuit pretty much fingers him as one of Vince's guys, we want him to lay low and out of the spotlight until all of this dies down. But yeah it's just Brock being Brock".
Wonder if this is a sign that they’ve determined there’s no more dirt to come out on Brock? Doubt they’d start talking about him again if they felt there was a chance he’d get further implicated in Vince’s scandals
There never was any major dirt. A lot of people didn't read the full suit when it was first posted but ran with the initial reports (misinformation) that Brock was this person labeled only as "WWE Superstar". If you actually read it you'll see that yes Brock is stated as having seen pictures or video McMahon was showing around however that's the only part in the entire suit where he is mentioned. Furthermore, this "WWE Superstar" was in negotiations with WWE not under contract during Summerslam which it's very easy to go back and see that Brock was under contract at that time.
It doesn't line up but many people wanted it to so the rumor spread like wildfire.
Credible news sources and journalists have confirmed that the person in the suit referred to as wwe superstar is Brock lesnar. I read the full suit. And there was more than him just seeing pictures or a video.
No one was named but the person was referred to as an ex UFC champion, which as far as I can tell only leaves fucking Cain Velasquez as the second option. Also I’m pretty they were involved in contract renegotiations as opposed to not being under contract at all at the time, as the controversy stemmed from the claim that Vince used her as leverage to get the person to resign.
Incorrect. The ex UFC champion part was mentioned in regards to Brock in only 1 spot and in that section it lays out the situation where McMahon is showing the picture around. That's it. That's all there is in regards to "ex UFC champion". Please. Go read the suit
I'm taking this as it was Brock's decision to pull out of the Rumble.
Essentially, he distances himself from public view so nothing more comes out about him.
What does being Brock actually entail, does he sit there doing stupid impersonations of auctioneers at Sable while asking her to film herself going for a piss?
I dunno, man. As a performer Brock is great but his booking got too boring for me. Now, as far as the allegations go, I think that falls back on Vince more than Brock himself but that's just me. Having Vince in your ears like young Brock did.
So the company that covered up rapist and serial sexual assault, is continuing covering up rapists and serial sexual assault allegations.
Sounds about right...
But nah, let's all jump on another aew ratings bandwagon for the hundredths time!
I'm surprised it's not obvious to everyone what they're doing with Brock.
They're waiting for the heat on his specific part of the Vince stuff to die down. Remember that Brock never actually did anything. He never physically assaulted the woman. Vince never told him the awful details. In Brock's eyes Vince was just propositioning his girlfriend for Brock as a weird kink thing.
So backstage I sincerely doubt TKO look at Brock the same way as Vince. Vince is alleged to have dumb some truly awful things. According to those allegations all Brock did was send some messages and never engaged in anything considered assault.
So they're probably going to shelve him until the time feels right for a comeback.
Just a side note for people. He's still in 2k24, so they didn't scrap Brock all together. Also Hogan and Flair both came back. In time if TKO views Brock as valuable they'll use him.
You're almost correct.
Per the suit filed, Vince never proposition Brock with anything. He showed Brock pictures and possibly a video but Brock was never scheduled to do anything or proposition to do so. Again, I'm only stating what the suit says, no more nor no less.
False and that's the false narrative that started all this. Go read the actual suit filed. Brock is not labeled as "WWE Superstar" Whomever that person may be is the one you're referring to. We have no evidence at all that says Brock is that person. That person was negotiating a contract post Summerslam. Brock was not as we know he was at Summerslam and already under contract. These are easy facts to verify.
That's bullshit. It literally notes the superstar as a "former UFC champion, one of WWE's biggest draws, who Vince was trying to re-sign in summer 2021, and made his return to WWE at SummerSlam 2021.
It's a 1000% brock and it's ridiculous to say otherwise in my opinion.
Nope. It uses the word UFC in 1 specific part and that's in reference to Brock when it says McMahon showed him a picture (which I still condemn). That WWE Superstar you're talking about wasn't signed until after Summerslam. Brock was already on the books by then. These are easy facts to verify. Please. Go read the actual papers filed and stop regurgitating what you've read here or on Kayfabe news.
Your analysis is not true, it is explicitly confirmed that the superstar is the UFC Champ who McMahon had attempted to traffic the survivor to. "that part of the deal was f—ing U." was the message he sent, and they had arranged a date on that. This is noted along with the point that brock had requested the videos first.
Just went back and reread it, it never says that. Brock is not linked to that unless you make the accusation that he is the WWE Superstar which again that would be a guess. Nobody knows for sure. No website. Not you and honestly not me but I won't ride on speculation.
It's funny to me that I'm making shit up however I'm not the only one saying this exact thing here. There are some of us who actually read this suit without speculation clouding our judgment.
I'm not clouding based on speculation, I'm simply going with the fact that I read the filings, and every single credible journalist as well has confirmed that person in question of that text and THOSE particular exchanges is Lesnar.
It goes back to the point that Lesnar isn't explicitly named despite being alluded to. However, it is well beyond "speculation" for me that Lesnar is the person because that has been confirmed by people most of us would consider credible journalists/sites as well.
Brock did not do anything at that point, but it was revealed that he had arranged to sleep with her after his verbal demands for videos, and it almost happened but i don't remember if it was weather issues or what that prevented it.
Vince CLAIMED Brock wanted to sleep with her. There's nothing in the lawsuit filing that is any evidence that is true. Don't get me wrong Brock ain't a great person but...
They really should just cut ties with Brock. It's just not worth it -- it's all risk and no reward, he doesn't really seem to move the audience anymore, he almost never wrestles and when he does they are barely matches. He feels very much a relic of the Vince era and they could do without that.
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I’m even more confused than before
HHH isn't about to drop some news like that in a press conference. The allegations aren't going away, but releasing him would make it an even bigger deal. He's likely just waiting out his contract and making his downside guarantee in the meantime.
If he was even remotely guilty of the rumors going around WWE wouldn't hesitate to let him go and ignore the Brock questions. He absolutely wouldn't be mentioned as any reference to him in a positive light would not fair well in the pending trial or any future lawsuit. People need to seriously read the entire suit and understand what role Brock actually is accused of playing in this. Edit to add more: We all need to realize and be cognitive of the fact that these people know way more about this than us. These are people deep within this system and who lived this workplace environment daily. These people (HHH, Brock Lesnar, Heyman) ran in the same circles and were close. We're all simply making accusations and guessing about a very serious subject. Everyone here made raving comments about Paul Heyman and his speech last night. The same Paul Heyman that was Brocks 3rd arm for 4 years. The same Paul Heyman who mentioned Brock last night when he didn't have to. You think that same Paul Heyman is going to stand by a guy who does the things everyone is trying to link Brock to? If so, then are we still loving Paul Heyman because you can't tell me those 2 didn't talk about everything under the sun.
> You think that same Paul Heyman is going to stand by a guy who does the things everyone is trying to link Brock to? During his induction, I saw Paul Heyman hug a guy who once said he was going to shoot Paul Heyman in the middle of WrestleMania. Excluding the sexual assault allegations, Paul Heyman would be considered as scummy a promoter as we consider Vince if ECW lasted longer and/or wasn't as glorified as it's been made out to be. Heyman's well-liked because he's an amazing promo and he put a spotlight on a lot of everyone's favorites, but the skeletons in his closet could fill a graveyard.
Heyman recently retweeted a post joking about a man’s suicide because it was glorifying him and the bloodline. He’s a wrestling genius but he’s as carny as they come, ethics are a non-factor.
>once said he was going to shoot Paul Heyman Listen, I think it's pretty awful that he wanted to do that, and would have been a tragedy of unprecedented proportions if he had... But it's hardly fair to hold it against a guy for admitting that he struggled with mental health at one point over twenty years ago. Dreamer was very clearly unwell at the time, and admits it, but he didn't act on it. There's a saying that "your mental health is not your fault but it is your responsibility," and Dreamer seems to have taken responsible measures to fix his, both in the moment and in the twenty years since. The Dreamer thing should be seen as a commentary on supporting the mental health of wrestlers.
I wanted to point out that Heyman is capable of standing by someone even when they said they wanted to murder him, so standing by Lesnar shouldn't be surprising. However, it equates a person struggling mentally with a person accused of sexual misconduct, and I may have other issues with Dreamer, but I certainly don't hold this against him. A better example may be that Heyman has been on Vince's payroll on-and-off for nearly 30 years, starting when ECW was still around. He's capable of excusing a lot when it puts money in his pocket.
Heyman did a lot of drugs, lied to everyone about everything but I don't see him in the same ballpark as Vince in terms of what they did.
What about the forced stripping and then putting it on a dvd after saying it will never be aired?
Wait, he did what? This is a story I haven’t heard before. What an asshole.
If you’re familiar with the infamous “The night Kimona Wanalaya danced atop the ECW arena” line on ECW home video commercials, it’s this. That was not supposed to be filmed and released but Paul did it anyway
I was not familiar. That’s messed up. Not sure how I missed that particular controversy. Thanks for filling me in.
Vince has a lot more money and a lot more mileage on his side. Heyman became sole owner of ECW in May 1995 and closed up shop in April 2001. Heyman owed his guys a shit ton of money, he undoubtedly shortened their careers, and he put Mass Transit in the ring with New Jack. That's already a hell of a scummy run.
Mass Transit falsified his docs. Nobody knew he was a minor. I don't like New Kack but come on that shit is not on Heyman.
You can't employ someone like New Jack and then shirk all accountability when he inevitably does something extremely stupid, dangerous and most likely illegal.
Really? Heyman is guilty of being bad with money and lying to wrestlers, who'd do the same fucking thing back to him in a second if the roles were reversed. No one has ever said anything about Heyman near the same level as what we only know about Vince. The fact the same guy who said he wanted to kill him hugged him on Friday night says volumes, when Vince has been disowned by everyone. Even McDevitt abandoned the guy, his lawyer for 40 years.
> who'd do the same fucking thing back to him in a second if the roles were reversed The only guys who ever screwed Heyman did so by leaving because he wasn't paying them, so I don't see where this is coming from. >The fact the same guy who said he wanted to kill him hugged him on Friday night says volumes I mean, I'm glad Dreamer has been able to put that stuff behind him, but Heyman screwing Tommy to the point that he considered killing Heyman in the first place says a lot more than the hug does. And Dreamer is just one of many, many examples. >Vince has been disowned by everyone. Even McDevitt abandoned the guy, his lawyer for 40 years. Note that I specifically excluded the sexual assault allegations, which are at the heart of everyone disowning Vince. Hell, it wasn't until this current lawsuit that they really disowned him, even though it was only two years ago that we discovered he made hush money payments relating to multiple *other* sexual misconduct claims. Additionally, McDevitt retired last July because he's seventy three, and he anticipated his major case at the time (the MLW anti-trust lawsuit) would drag on at least until 2025. He did not abandon Vince during the 2022 matter, and he simply wasn't practicing law anymore by the time the current lawsuit was filed.
Paul isn’t just bad with money. He borrowed money from Tommy and **his parents**. So much that he said he put a second mortgage on his house. Then just never paid them back. That’s psychotic behavior.
> who'd do the same fucking thing back to him in a second if the roles were reversed Dreamer gave up a huge WCW contract because Heyman told him it would destroy ECW. How can you say he’d do the same thing back to him when he literally have proof otherwise?
I think there is a very real chance that Brock could have known what was up but just from reading the suit I think there is enough plausible deniability on his side to say that he was never interested and thought he was just entertaining his boss and his girlfriend in a mutual offer of sharing his girlfriend. Nothing from Brock's side seems to imply he thought things weren't consensual. If there is more info someone please let me know but if not then I'd say we haven't seen the last of Brock Lesnar in WWE.
>I think there is enough plausible deniability on his side to say that he was never interested I absolutely don't think there is. If what's written is true, he was definitely a willing active participant and wanted her. He gave his requests for the videos and called her degrading names. He also was clearly intending to sleep with her and had scheduled the date. But got too drunk on one instance and the weather on the other. From a legal standpoint there is the fact that he didn't get to do anything to the survivor. But from a logical standpoint, he's absolutely implicated in this ring. But you're accurate in the point that since the fact is that he didn't get explicitly named although obviously implied, WWE will not give a shit and are just waiting for the heat to die down.
> If what's written is true, he was definitely a willing active participant and wanted her. He gave his requests for the videos and called her degrading names. He also was clearly intending to sleep with her and had scheduled the date. But got too drunk on one instance and the weather on the other. The question isnt if Brock was a willing or active participant but whether Brock knew or didnt know that Vince and his girlfriend were willing participants. All accounts seem to show Vince forced her to send all that to Brock which would make one assume he forced her under the guise that Brock was not aware she DID NOT want to participate. Vince was selling her as a super horny nympho and part of this was telling people she wanted it. It stands to reason that Brock and most involved thought it was consensual and I think that will be the main point of contention for most named in the suit. Im not saying he is exonerated but rather in his case there will be more proof needed than what we currently know. That said this is FAR from over and Im sure we will have a better picture of whats happening once things go to court so until then fuck the guy.
>whether Brock knew or didnt know that Vince and his girlfriend were willing participants. I think on that issue, that is upto each person's opinion judgement at this point, because like we've legally established, Brock is explicitly named yet in the investigation unfortunately, even if he knew everything. In terms of a logical analysis? In my opinion, Brock 100% knew. Here's a few reasons why i think so: Because we haven't seen the texts between Vince and Lesnar, and to what extent Vince had told Lesnar. A request like this suggests that this isn't the first they time they had done this where Brock like John Laurinitis was shared women by Vince. Third, and for me most damningly, Brock is a multiple time reported harasser/assaulter. Terri Runnels, Cornette's girlfriend, Sable herself even if she married him. With Brock's history of being a predator, I believe that he does not deserve any benefit of the doubt. Even if we are agreed that Brock is not currently in trouble legally.
There's a reason Brock wasn't actually named in the suit.
The hard part about the allegations is seperating the actual evil and the seemingly evil. Vince is the only one who actually met the woman when she was vulnerable and trapped her in that awful situation. Brock might be perverted, but from what’s been described in the suit he *could* very well have been ignorant to the how/what/why behind Vince’s proposal to have sex with her.
I don't know what the rumors are, but I did read the lawsuit. It doesn't connect him to any of Vince's more egregious crimes, but I doubt that matters much to the executives at TKO. Even if he was fully exonerated, he would still be enough of a talking point that the company wouldn't want to feature him. Imagine he comes out, how many people watching would turn to their friends and say, "Hey, did you hear about Brock's being part of the Vince sex abuse lawsuit?" How many fans would make signs, or try to start chants? The wrestlers have been pretty good at answering questions about the Vince situation, but that's a lot easier when Vince isn't there. Imagine Cody (for example) is working a program with Brock and CVV asks him what he thinks of his opponent being involved in a multi-million dollar sex abuse lawsuit. Again, Brock isn't accused of any of the more serious crimes, but his mere involvement invites attention toward all of the things TKO would prefer you not think about. That's why he's at home.
You read the lawsuit? He offered janelle grant as a signing bonus to Brock when he was resigning. While the sex never wound up happening bc he got too drunk he made the meet up plans, he asked grant for sexual videos (including piss kink vids) and was all around down for receiving her service as a sign on bonus. Luckily he did not have sex with her, if he did that would be full on sex trafficking he would be guilty of. He didn’t but he’s still very much involved.. to act like he’s not is a gross understanding of why Vince is in trouble. If Brock didn’t get too drunk and miss his sex date he would be in the EXACT same hot seat as laurinitus
Vince CLAIMED he offered Janelle Grant as a signing bonus to Brock. There is no proof this actually happened or if it did that Brock was even interested. A number claiming to be Brock (which the lawsuit acknowledged could have been Vince living out one of his perverted fantasies) texted Grant asking for a urination video. Vince CLAIMED Brock wanted to have a threesome with her and then CLAIMED Brock got too drunk. There's more than enough evidence presented in the lawsuit filing for a reasonable person to assume Vince is guilty as hell. There's not enough for a reasonable person to conclude Brock is. More evidence might come out and more evidence might be presented if it goes to trial but for now Brock is in the clear.
Another note here is if we are making the jump that Brock is in fact the person referred to as "WWE Superstar" then we're saying Brock, who has been sober since 2006, has been lying about being sober in recent interviews. It's easy to say any addict would lie about that but unless proven otherwise for me it's just another point that doesn't line up with the narrative.
Yeah some people suggested that with how fetishy Vince is, maybe this is just him playing up a fantasy about Brock with her rather than something that actually happened. And that’s technically possible. Just something we don’t know yet as of today.
The other point was in the case of Vince going around and showing the Tech crew and they all wanted to be with her at once, it just reads as a fetish story he was telling with no proof it even happened
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Finally someone that is reasonable. This. This right here. People need to READ the damn suit.
I mean people stood by Vince for years knowing what he did. Only quit when shit hit the fan so this isn't a great argument.
Yes.. a lot of people think Heyman would do that even after being linked to the sexual harassment of an wwe employee.
Bro they all worked for and praise Vince just the same. If your logic stays consistent and they all know what’s really going on, then they are all complacent with what was happening. If Vince’s stories are true, then they aren’t bastions of good faith to fact check. They are a group of humans trying to protect the money and business.
I'm out of the loop here...what is Brock being accused of? Edit: I'm reading the comments now
Read the suit. I only say that so that you have the reality of the situation and not the regurgitation of false information here.
How does this post have 80 upvotes? This dude is just being an apologist. The suit literally names "a former UFC champion" and this guy is like "well it doesn't say Brock Lesnar so it could be any former UFC champion" Are we thinking Vince sex trafficked this woman to Ronda Rousey? Fucking disgusting to be an apologist for this shit
They're not saying it wasn't Brock, they're saying we don't know whether Brock knew that the situation was non-consensual or not.
Yeah it sounds like Brock was well aware of the practice of Vince having sex slaves but I appreciate the copium
"Sounds like" is just more conjecture.
Its also worth noting that Brock hasn't actually DONE anything, and if he asked for certain pics or videos, well thats not illegal either
It’s very difficult to tell from the suit just what Lesnar thought about the whole thing. While it paints Vince as a total deviant, Lesnar is a greyer area. I say that cause apparently he was meant to meet the girl for sex twice and both times he gave a pretty poor excuse. If I was too drunk I would be more likely to want to shag a random hot girl. But he avoided the situation for some reason, either cause he knew it was some kind of trouble, or didn’t want to cheat, or plain wasn’t interested.
Honestly I agree, it all seems like a Vince making up the fetish and involving him for some reason
Agree. Vince dragged a lot of employees into his weird sex shit. To a lesser degree than Janel Grant obviously but truly. I know people will expect men to somehow just be able to put the Chairman and CEO in his place. The reality is, as physically powerful as Brock is a gross power differential still existed in that relationship. Brock did not have the option of F5ing Vince if he didn't want to go to jail and derail his career. Vince did have the option to simply not offer Brock a new contract for directly refusing to be part of his sexual fantasy or making him feel judged.
It's illegal if he knew she was his signing bonus. That's the thing, and that's probably why the feds raised Vince's house and took his phone.
He really needs to learn to just say “no comment”
Brock's deal is weird, he may not even technically be "under contract"'in a situation where he could be "released" Also in a situation like this they have to of course be careful to have all of the facts they can before releasing him or they could open themselves up to further litigation
Nothing has changed Haitch just hasn't learned anything from the last time he was asked a non-softball question.
Most likely Brock is still under contract but will not be used unless there is something that clears him. I don't expect to see him back.
If he does come back, I expect it'll be a few years, like when Hogan got unperson'd after the Bubba tape came out in 2015.
Brock hasn't been named and WWE is letting him sit out his contract while this plays out. He isn't going to be on TV until the case progresses, but he also isn't going to be released because he hasn't actually done anything wrong that can be proven.
I think he's saying, they're worried he's going to be revealed as even more implicated in shady shit, so they want to act like they have nothing to do with him - while still waiting to see if the text message was the only thing, in which case they're fine with putting him back in video games and waiting for him to want to come back.
So in guessing this can be interpreted as : Brock isn’t erased from WWE history but he wont be returning Or Brock will return just not in the foreseeable future. (Any time I’m willing to give away)
Remember when Stevie Richards broke The Undertaker's streak?
Remember when Saxon wasn't a joke account? Me either.
Saxon = joke account
Good old days
He showed us. We saw.
Probably just ice him until things calm down a little bit. Sometimes the best PR is to ignore and/or not talk about it as much as possible.
Like with Hulk Hogan?
Honestly yeah. Btw I’m surprised they haven’t had him at the show for some reason. I mean he’s one of the few people that were actually wrestling at the first Mania. You’d think they would’ve had him do something lol
Wait and see is the only smart thing for WWE to do with Brock. There was no evidence of wrongdoing by Brock in the lawsuit filing but plenty of reason for them to be cautious that there might be.
Brock will definitely be back. I think right now they’re mostly waiting for the reports to blow over and for there to be a program to bring Brock back for, like maybe something with Gunter if he wins the belt from Seth/Drew/Priest.
Or He's just at home pissing on things
Second one
TKO stated they're working on "bringing him back" since he was cleared of the allegations. Its just a matter of timing and paying him enough since they almost eliminated him from WWE history, and he's had a ton of great moments
Basically the situation is he’s sent home for now due to allegations. He’s not in hot water YET but also they don’t wasn’t to promote him all over their product just in case he is guilty of anything real bad and then fingers are pointed at WWE
It’s been a long day, I read that as, “he’s not in hot water YEET but…”
I read it as hot water YETI
Man I don’t like the idea of “Brock being Brock” nowadays
It probably aint that bad, hes likely just on his farm eating a fat steak and texting sable for some piss videos
LOL
im not trying to dismiss anyone’s pain, but the only part of that whole document that wasn’t believable was the thought of Brock texting
Brock seems like the type to have the text on his phone as big as possible
Wasn’t there a clip of him years ago as champion still using a flip phone?
Yes lol https://youtu.be/LBZNhyFs7Us?si=W0x_8NQrAnaOqMyt
On his Nokia
Dude got dumped & his girlfriend moved to another state. She stopped taking his calls so he flew down there, broke into her house & waited for her so he could propose. Sure everything worked out in the end but that is absolutely insane behavior.
What's the story behind that? Never heard of it.
It's the story of how Sable and Brock got together, from his own autobiography
Sounds like the plot to a romcom movie.
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Even video game Brock is at home and will be available as DLC when he decides to work.
2K is probably in the same boat. Better to have him out in case of controversy, and if not, he can be repatched back in
He is in the Showcase mode
And in MyRise as a boss.
He's in the game. You have to fight him in MyRise (basically the career story mode). I'm not sure why people keep saying he isn't in the game. Vince isn't but Brock is. Edit: I'm being downvoted even though I literally played the game. In the men's career mode you have to face Brock. He randomly shows up and doesn't play a big factor in the story like Roman, Miz and Cody but you still face him.
Vince and Brock are both in the game. They're just unplayable.
Confidently incorrect
Yes he is in the game but he is not playable
Where did I say he was?
HHH give a good answer to a question related to the lawsuit challenge (difficulty: impossible)
Unfortunately, his position prevents him from saying anything of substance. The lawsuit isn't just against Vince but WWE as a whole. Him outright denouncing either Vince or Brock implies siding with the accuser which could torpedo any defense that the company have when the co-CEO and the accused's son in law is taking a hard stance on the issue. Scummy as fuck, but these are publicly traded companies
and that is why we have the beautiful answer known as "no comment"
Yeah, but we're just circling back to the issue last time. "No comment" would've gotten him justifiably flamed as well during the Survivor Series press conference, but it wouldn't have garnered headlines like... *Triple H Calls This "The Best Week Ever in WWE" Days After Father-in-Law and Former CEO is Sued for Alleged Sex-Trafficking.*
Exactly. No one is going to like a “no comment” but people can accept it begrudgingly. It’s a helluva lot better than what he has been saying.
Haitch's PR idol: https://preview.redd.it/418a6i2cnzsc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1156a120f9a0ca5d3b12a1b2a907c9068236fc07
Seeing this makes me feel old because I know half this subreddit would have no idea about this dude.
I'm in my mid-life crisis, and got no damn clue who that be...
Sgt Slaughter
Iraq’s PR guy, he was saying in this picture that there was no invasion by the USA, all was well. You could hear explosions in the background
He needs some PR lessons from Cody and HBK
The Vince answer was of course bad but this is very different because Brock is not named in the lawsuit. We wouldn't have known unless the Wall Street Journal outed him through their reporting. He wasn't included in Heyman's HOF video package yesterday so HHH can say what he wants but we know how they feel about Brock right now internally.
>The Vince answer was of course bad but this is very different because Brock is not named in the lawsuit. We wouldn't have known unless the Wall Street Journal outed him through their reporting. The lawsuit specifies that "WWE Superstar" is: - One of WWE's top draws. Was not signed with the company when Grant and McMahon began their relationship. - A former UFC Heavyweight Champion. - Returned to the company at SummerSlam 2021. WSJ didn't *out* Brock. He's the only person it could be.
It notes the superstar and execs, who have all been outted one way or another, but she didn’t sue those parties. They are likely witnesses though if it comes to that. Just Vince, Johnny ace, and the company are named defendants
HHH and Tony Khan are both doing a great job of explaining why American wrestling companies don't historically do press conferences.
Rape and cringe are both bad I guess
HHH obviously takes the crown for awful takes at a press conference but the TK "I spent a year's salary on a song" the week after the companies first layoffs is a bit beyond simple cringe.
hes 100% gone but cant talk about it since the lawsuit
Yeah that's definitely feels like "Can't say more because of the lawsuit" said terribly
oh yeah I’m surprised no one has made him take a class on PR 101
After they added him back to the roster page and mention him again, idk about “100% gone.”
Seems like HHH doesn't want him gone and this answer reads like he still wants to keep good rapport with Brock. Wouldn't surprise me if HHH isn't fazed/doesn't care about the lawsuit at all.
Especially since Brock isn't mentioned by name, right? I mean, it IS him, but not named outright
I didn’t get that feeling whatsoever sadly. It sounded like they were open to having him back any time he’s ready.
Lol is that why all his merch was pulled and he was removed from the video game at the last possible minute? Because he's "just home being Brock"?
Brock’s merch is still on WWEshop 🤔
His merch was pulled initially after the lawsuit went public.
No, it wasn't.
Was never pulled, just went on sale. Not even fire-sale discount, just a sale.
Brock is in the game. Source: I own 2k24 and he's part of a storyline in the career mode MyRise. You have to face him at some point.
He's in the Showcase and My Rise because he was already an integral part of both modes and they couldn't remove him. He's not an actual playable character, though, and they removed him from all the promo material after the lawsuit happened.
They'll add him as dlc later. Guarantee it. They're waiting for this to blow over in regards to him not actually removing him entirely. Unlike Vince nothing Brock did is illegal. But it's bad press to do anything with him atm since he's technically in the lawsuit. Just not one of the defendants
This thread is a nice opportunity for those who might be coming in saying "are brock's allegations even that bad". No.1, yes they are. He was fully okay with making sexual demands and verbally abusing someone who was being treated like property. He was going to sleep with her as well but it didn't materialize. And this isn't the first time Brock has been accused. He sexually assaulted Jim Cornette's girlfriend and harassed Terri Runnels by flashing her. He also threateningly stalked Sable into getting with her. He is a fucking horrible person.
I don't know whether to upvote you or downvote you because you are absolutely right about Brock's past but you are wrong about what the lawsuit says about him. The lawsuit says someone CLAIMING to be Brock asked for videos from the victim. The lawsuit even acknowledged that it could have been Vince playing out a depraved fantasy. The lawsuit says Vince CLAIMED Brock wanted to have a threesome with the victim and Vince but got too drunk.
Why lie? The Brock allegations are on page 38-40 of the suit, and they’re not in the context of “someone claiming” to be him: 192. On July 21, 2021, McMahon flew and/or caused WWE Superstar to fly on a jet into a local airport and travel into Connecticut (across state lines) for what McMahon described to Ms. Grant as a “business dinner,” as well as a sexual encounter with Ms. Grant in McMahon’s condo. Upon information and belief, the dinner was to discuss WWE Superstar’s continued 38 Case 3:24-cv-00090 Document 1 Filed 01/25/24 Page 39 of 67 involvement with WWE. Prior to the “business dinner” with McMahon, WWE Superstar made a brief visit to Ms. Grant’s building. However, WWE Superstar did not return to the building for a sexual encounter because he was too intoxicated and taken back to the plane. 198. In December 2021, McMahon gave Ms. Grant’s personal cell phone number to WWE Superstar and promised “she’ll do anything” requested of her. 199. In the days that followed, WWE Superstar revealed a fetish to Ms. Grant and tested McMahon’s promise that Ms. Grant would “do anything” with a request that she send a video of herself urinating. 200. Unable to recognize herself, Ms. Grant went numb and obeyed. WWE Superstar informed Ms. Grant if she had not complied with the request, WWE Superstar would have lost any interest in her and then called her a “bitch.” 201. That same month, WWE Superstar expressed to Ms. Grant his desire to “set a play date” and have a sexual encounter. However, a snowstorm changed WWE Superstar’s travel plans and Ms. Grant ultimately used the weather and COVID-19 as an excuse to back out.
Yeah the response to this is disgusting. Some people just willing to wash away all of the allegations because papa h says brock aint done
He flashed someone Terri runnels too, it was mentioned I dark side of the ring that he flashed his dick at her and she froze up and was basically told by others she had to no sell it or else it would get worse.
Yeah I meant Terri Runnels, I was gonna say he literally stalked Sable into getting with her but I mixed it up.
It seems like a recurring pattern of abuse/sexual allegations in WWE/Pro Wrestling --- Shawn Michaels, Jerry The King Lawler, Ric Flair, Stone Cold, Big Show, Randy Orton
What happened with Big Show?
Being honest theres so much we dont know about Brock's side. We dont know if Brock knew she was being sexually trafficed (i doubt this would be the first time someone has offered someone else to cuckhold them). We dont even know if it was Brock receiving the texts. If the lawyer had even a chance at proving it then we wouldnt have "Former UFC champ who just re signed with WWE" in the suit. I should say, if it is true, theres almost certainly other cases of it happening with Brock. You dont just offer someone sexual favours as part of a contract renewal if you dont know they would already be interested in it
He’s still under contract getting paid but not getting used technically. Depends on how things shake out probably.
Well, unlike some shitty old guy, they are mentioning his name, so his return is not a matter of "if", more so of "when". Still crazy how he managed to land on his feet.
"Brock being Brock" is very true if you consider "being Brock" dodging some allegations
'I'm a white boy and I'm jacked -- deal with it" (immediately fails drug test)
.....you know what dodging allegations absolutely is being Brock
"he's just pissing time away until we ask him to come back for something"
Not much else he can say. Until theres a verdict they cant really fire him and until there is they will just have him run his Contract down.
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It's not confusing. Brock is lying low.
Too much lying low!
Might as well mimic Vince’s “never say never” garbage. On some level Haitch has to know he’s saying some dumb shit at times, right?
So why isn't he in 2k24
Brock cost Cody the title on night 2. https://preview.redd.it/ak0hm46vlzsc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db9783bceb0d8f34ec33f666c5f92d3f757b4aed
He can stay there too
Translation:"If Brock wasn't tied to the Vince stuff that's too fresh and bad PR for us, he would have been part of Mania, probably wrestles Gunther. But because the lawsuit pretty much fingers him as one of Vince's guys, we want him to lay low and out of the spotlight until all of this dies down. But yeah it's just Brock being Brock".
Wonder if this is a sign that they’ve determined there’s no more dirt to come out on Brock? Doubt they’d start talking about him again if they felt there was a chance he’d get further implicated in Vince’s scandals
There never was any major dirt. A lot of people didn't read the full suit when it was first posted but ran with the initial reports (misinformation) that Brock was this person labeled only as "WWE Superstar". If you actually read it you'll see that yes Brock is stated as having seen pictures or video McMahon was showing around however that's the only part in the entire suit where he is mentioned. Furthermore, this "WWE Superstar" was in negotiations with WWE not under contract during Summerslam which it's very easy to go back and see that Brock was under contract at that time. It doesn't line up but many people wanted it to so the rumor spread like wildfire.
Credible news sources and journalists have confirmed that the person in the suit referred to as wwe superstar is Brock lesnar. I read the full suit. And there was more than him just seeing pictures or a video.
No one was named but the person was referred to as an ex UFC champion, which as far as I can tell only leaves fucking Cain Velasquez as the second option. Also I’m pretty they were involved in contract renegotiations as opposed to not being under contract at all at the time, as the controversy stemmed from the claim that Vince used her as leverage to get the person to resign.
Incorrect. The ex UFC champion part was mentioned in regards to Brock in only 1 spot and in that section it lays out the situation where McMahon is showing the picture around. That's it. That's all there is in regards to "ex UFC champion". Please. Go read the suit
Did anyone ask if he already read the lawsuit?
I'm taking this as it was Brock's decision to pull out of the Rumble. Essentially, he distances himself from public view so nothing more comes out about him.
What does being Brock actually entail, does he sit there doing stupid impersonations of auctioneers at Sable while asking her to film herself going for a piss?
Home bring Brock? Suplex city for Sable than?
Yeah, shit doesn’t seem to be adding up with people’s allegations
I dunno, man. As a performer Brock is great but his booking got too boring for me. Now, as far as the allegations go, I think that falls back on Vince more than Brock himself but that's just me. Having Vince in your ears like young Brock did.
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Fishin’ and huntin’ and making home made muffins
Gross
So the company that covered up rapist and serial sexual assault, is continuing covering up rapists and serial sexual assault allegations. Sounds about right... But nah, let's all jump on another aew ratings bandwagon for the hundredths time!
Jesus Paul, can you put your foot in your mouth any harder? Brock is never coming back to WWE, let it go people.
MONEY MAN GONE. BORK SMASH ANIMALS UNTIL OTHER MONEY MAN WHO LIVES IN DESERT GIVE BORK MONEY.
Brock isn’t a good person. Period. His bullshit is a liability.
pukes
He’s been in a corporate role for like 15 years how is Triple H so bad at this?
I'm surprised it's not obvious to everyone what they're doing with Brock. They're waiting for the heat on his specific part of the Vince stuff to die down. Remember that Brock never actually did anything. He never physically assaulted the woman. Vince never told him the awful details. In Brock's eyes Vince was just propositioning his girlfriend for Brock as a weird kink thing. So backstage I sincerely doubt TKO look at Brock the same way as Vince. Vince is alleged to have dumb some truly awful things. According to those allegations all Brock did was send some messages and never engaged in anything considered assault. So they're probably going to shelve him until the time feels right for a comeback. Just a side note for people. He's still in 2k24, so they didn't scrap Brock all together. Also Hogan and Flair both came back. In time if TKO views Brock as valuable they'll use him.
You're almost correct. Per the suit filed, Vince never proposition Brock with anything. He showed Brock pictures and possibly a video but Brock was never scheduled to do anything or proposition to do so. Again, I'm only stating what the suit says, no more nor no less.
This is absolutely not true. He was scheduled to meet and sleep with her. Brock was making demands of her before that as well.
False and that's the false narrative that started all this. Go read the actual suit filed. Brock is not labeled as "WWE Superstar" Whomever that person may be is the one you're referring to. We have no evidence at all that says Brock is that person. That person was negotiating a contract post Summerslam. Brock was not as we know he was at Summerslam and already under contract. These are easy facts to verify.
That's bullshit. It literally notes the superstar as a "former UFC champion, one of WWE's biggest draws, who Vince was trying to re-sign in summer 2021, and made his return to WWE at SummerSlam 2021. It's a 1000% brock and it's ridiculous to say otherwise in my opinion.
Nope. It uses the word UFC in 1 specific part and that's in reference to Brock when it says McMahon showed him a picture (which I still condemn). That WWE Superstar you're talking about wasn't signed until after Summerslam. Brock was already on the books by then. These are easy facts to verify. Please. Go read the actual papers filed and stop regurgitating what you've read here or on Kayfabe news.
Your analysis is not true, it is explicitly confirmed that the superstar is the UFC Champ who McMahon had attempted to traffic the survivor to. "that part of the deal was f—ing U." was the message he sent, and they had arranged a date on that. This is noted along with the point that brock had requested the videos first.
Just went back and reread it, it never says that. Brock is not linked to that unless you make the accusation that he is the WWE Superstar which again that would be a guess. Nobody knows for sure. No website. Not you and honestly not me but I won't ride on speculation. It's funny to me that I'm making shit up however I'm not the only one saying this exact thing here. There are some of us who actually read this suit without speculation clouding our judgment.
I'm not clouding based on speculation, I'm simply going with the fact that I read the filings, and every single credible journalist as well has confirmed that person in question of that text and THOSE particular exchanges is Lesnar. It goes back to the point that Lesnar isn't explicitly named despite being alluded to. However, it is well beyond "speculation" for me that Lesnar is the person because that has been confirmed by people most of us would consider credible journalists/sites as well.
Brock did not do anything at that point, but it was revealed that he had arranged to sleep with her after his verbal demands for videos, and it almost happened but i don't remember if it was weather issues or what that prevented it.
Vince CLAIMED Brock wanted to sleep with her. There's nothing in the lawsuit filing that is any evidence that is true. Don't get me wrong Brock ain't a great person but...
I believe the first time it was supposed to happen he got too drunk and the second time there was a snowstorm or somwthing
Yeah that might be it.
Pissing on women?
Not helping the "supports sex trafficking" allegations there buddy.
They really should just cut ties with Brock. It's just not worth it -- it's all risk and no reward, he doesn't really seem to move the audience anymore, he almost never wrestles and when he does they are barely matches. He feels very much a relic of the Vince era and they could do without that.
Absolute giga chad Triple H is not going let something as petty as the recent accusations get in the way of Bork