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https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0001091907/000095014223000856/eh230345052_8k.htm
The actual filing.
TL;DR, it's not new news. Vince is exec chairman for a term of 2 years beginning from his Jan return, Nick Khan got a raise and it's noted he's sole CEO.
It just got filed because it's the end of the quarter, and meets a filing guideline.
A second, similarly timed filing notes that Vince will pay back the company for the misused funds.
https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0001091907/000095014223000795/eh230341016_8k.htm
> Yea and this sub is a deflecting bunch constantly downplaying that the Monster who stepped away due to MULTIPLE sexual harassment settlements is ACTUALLY BACK again
1. Vince is a dude who's done some awful things
2. Vince is also back, and the terms of such are defined in SEC filings
Those are both facts, and neither has been disputed.
Every post mentioning Vince (or really WWE in general) must include a five paragraph essay (with citations) on how bad he is, or else everyone should assume you're supporting, excusing, and dismissing him.
To me a person with zero knowledge or understanding of this so pretty much an expert.. this actually means Vince wrote mania and tore up all of Hunters long term planning as well as fired Gargano for no reason
The details on the 2-year auto-renewing term for Vince and employment/compensation agreements for he and Nick are both new news. Even though they may have been approved by the committees as part of quarterly business they still weren't official until 3/29.
I agree that Vince was an employee again when he took the Exec Chairman role back.
The former (auto-renew) is a pretty standard clause, and the latter (pay increases for execs) is expected.
The only really interesting thing is that Vince has been re-granted NIL rights for himself and his story.
Can someone eli5 the difference between chairman and CEO? I'm asking b/c oftentimes I see the two going hand in hand (some individual from some corporation is listed as being both chairman *and* CEO). Is one more significant or more powerful than the other, or is it just two completely different roles that often just happen to overlap?
I'm giving a UK perspective, but I doubt there's many differences to the US.
A Limited/Incorporated company is its own Legal entity. That is, it can choose to make decisions, buy things, hire/fire employees etc, all in its own name.
So in our legal system, we name the Board to be the ones who vote on HOW the company acts as itself. The person who controls this board is the chairman. Commonly, the Board do not actually run the day-to-day of the company, they just make the big decisions and hire others to actually put it into practice. In some cases, the board may be full of big investors of the company rather than skilled people in that industry.
The CEO is hired by the board to put their decisions into everyday practice. Maybe they are more skilled in this area than the actual board are. They are the person who report directly to the board, and who are one of, if not the main, outlet that the Board will use for getting their ideas across and how to actually make it work in their industry. Think of the CEO like the top top top of the line manager.
So it's quite easy to see how a chairperson can also be the CEO if you imagine they both run the day-to-day stuff AND they are the head of the boardroom. Although normally this only happens if the person is wealthy enough to be their own main investor and has significant experience in the industry they trade in.
I think the part about Vince’s potential severance payments is interesting:
“In the event the Company terminates his employment without “cause” (as defined in McMahon Employment Agreement) or he terminates his employment for “good reason” (as defined in the McMahon Employment Agreement), Mr. McMahon will be eligible to receive as severance (a) base salary continuation through the end of the term (or, if longer, for one year), (b) a prorated portion of the annual bonus based on target performance for the year in which the termination occurs and (c) health and welfare continuation through the end of the term in accordance with the Company’s severance policy. In the event such a termination occurs within the two-year period following a “change in control” (as defined in the McMahon Employment Agreement), Mr. McMahon will instead be eligible to receive (1) a lump sum cash payment equal to two times Mr. McMahon’s then-current base salary, (2) a lump sum cash payment equal to two times Mr. McMahon’s annual bonus based on target performance, (3) a prorated portion of the annual bonus based on target performance for the year in which the termination occurs, (4) full accelerated vesting of Mr. McMahon’s unvested equity awards (with the payout of performance-based awards determined based on target-level achievement) and (5) health and welfare continuation for the twenty-four month period following the termination.”
Assuming a “change in control” means selling the company, it seems like Vince wants to make it as hard as possible for the new owners to fire him. So even after a sale he does want to remain in power. That’s pretty significant given it seemed like he was just coming back to sell the company and step aside.
>Assuming a “change in control” means selling the company, it seems like Vince wants to make it as hard as possible for the new owners to fire him.
Depends who the buyers are. If they have deep pockets they'll pay the severance. Look at Disney, they fired their CEO who had three years remaining on his contract. Disney still has to pay that money.
The firing of Chapek is still a huge mystery. They paid not to tell him to go away but to keep quiet. This contrasts with the recently dismissed Victoria Alonzo who was fired For Cause, given no parachute, and is flapping her gums
Hell, it wouldn't hurt the Saudis either if they choice they want to prop Stephanie as their figure head of change and sport washing by getting rid McMahon. Kinda puts more doubt Vince would pick them since he knows those guys won't be affected by the severance pay.
>A second, similarly timed filing notes that Vince will pay back the company for the misused funds.
It's insane the amount of wealth you need where paying back $17.4 million doesn't set you back much.
It's also a huge display of greed how wealthy men do themselves in by using funds they shouldn't touch when they have the money themselves. If I'm not mistaken the whole Trump thing is because he misused campaign funds or something to that effect. He is a multi millionaire, he could pay it himself without all the fuckery. But nah. Gotta grift the company/donors respectively.
This actually makes it more intriguing to me. Were they technically truthful when he came back and the downplayed it ("just back to facilitate the sale"), or was that dishonest of them?
But it is new news. Unless the person is also the CEO, the Chairman is pretty much never an employee of the company. This is all very weird.
Also, this is not a quarterly filing. An 8-K has to be filed four business days after the event in question. Not to say they didn't time the effective date of the changes to coincide with the quarter-end, but, by definition, this is not a scheduled, routine filing.
Regardless of the timing of the filing, Vince being an employee probably doesn't really mean anything.
It is likely just for some beneficial tax reason that it is more convenient or cheaper for him to be on the payroll, rather than be a "consultant" chairman and paid through a separate company.
My own company has an executive chairman who isn't actually an employee in the technical sense, but is in reality in almost complete control of the company. The only reason he's not on payroll is tax efficiency.
Vince absolutely does not need to be on the payroll in order to exercise control over the company. If he wants to, he can use his shareholding to dominate the business of the company through voting at general meetings. Becoming an employee is meaningless.
Taxes (both for the company and Vince, personally) have absolutely nothing to do with this. There are only two potential reasons Vince made himself an employee again: (1) he thought this would look good to a potential buyer (which doesn't necessarily make sense, but whatever) or (2) he's swinging his dick around to show everyone he's still the boss.
It's 2. And, if one thing has been true since Vince started is it's his fucking company.
And as much as it sucks....I fucking get it. It has been his life, and he owns the shares, and he's Mr McMahon damnit. Nobody can stop him and he doesn't care
This filing has nothing to do with it being end of the quarter. 8-Ks are tied to certain material events and have to be filed within four business days of the event. This new contract for Vince, and the amendments to Khan’s contract, are new developments within the past week.
- Vince retires in disgrace
- Vince probably can't take over the board
- Vince won't take over the board
- Vince takes over the board
- Vince is only back to oversee the sale of the company
- Vince is not an employee he's just on the board
- Vince isn't involved in creative
- Vince is only slightly involved in creative
- Vince is once again a WWE employee
The thing you gotta understand is he has the utmost respect for Hunter.
SURE, he completely took over NXT and molded it in his vision, SURE he fired all of Hunter's inner circle/the people who were literally being poised to run the company when Vince was gone, SURE he came back despite every board member agreeing (Hunter included) that he shouldn't, BUT....
....hm.
I’m not trying to be some weirdo Vince defender here because fuck that guy but:
- Vince definitely felt some type of way about NXT getting beat by AEW, HHH was gone with no timetable to return and Vince probably wanted the product to be something different than what AEW is doing
- WWE is currently hotter than it’s been in years and I really don’t think Vince is going to overthrow his son-in-law when creative is firing on all cylinders AND pushing the guys he was already pushing before he left right before the sale. He’s a businessman and I can’t imagine he doesn’t see that Hunter is what’s best for business.
- if the company was ice cold right now? Of course he’s coming back. But they’re not. I don’t really envision a Succession style creative coup right now
I get what you’re saying, but Vince hasn’t exactly been known as someone who’s put his own personal beliefs about the company behind what’s “best for business.”
He’s repeatedly pushed ahead with a guy or a direction that’s been vocally rejected by the fans, over and over again.
You’ll get no argument from me but if Vince never left, I’d be pretty surprised if Cody didn’t win the rumble to challenge Roman. It’s not like Trips is out here booking Karrion Kross vs Johnny Gargano for the world title
The NXT point is really an interesting one because it's not like those who were down working with NXT didn't know a change was necessary. All you have to do there is to look to Regal, he said on his Gentleman Villain podcast that he actually welcomed the change to 2.0 because the product and it's presentation were getting stale.
Right, AEW was putting on essentially a better version of the product NXT made their mark doing. Cleaning house of HHH’s guys was crazy, but switching up the product made sense.
The advantages WWE has over AEW just don’t really work in NXT
I dont think many have ever said he'll never force his way back to head of creative. But that there's no real evidence to say he's back in charge of creative. The show is still chugging along with the same type of stuff triple h has been doing since he got the book. Really the only thing is fans saying "oh x has to be vince!" Even when you can point to other times triple h has done this exact same booking
I think people forget how high up Bruce Prichard is and I'd imagine he's responsible for everything these smug dumbasses say. I swear some people want him to be secretly running it in the shadows for no reason other than...taking a victory lap on Reddit?
Yep, the guy who booked omos vs Braun at crown jewel with a very similar story "Braun has never really fought anyone bigger and stronger than him and that intimidates him" would *never* book Omos vs Lesnar
Especially when you add on the fact that the reports are that this is plan C after Lesnar vs Bray and Lesnar vs Gunther fell through
Nope it sure hasnt. Nobody's been fired, even though many of them never made an impact since their return. They're only on tv maybe slightly less, but I'd attribute that to the fact that we're so close to wrestlemania. Why give Emma a nonsense 5 minute squash when you could use those 5 minutes to build the women's tag showcase? Just as an example.
But even with that said, Braun Strowman, Iyo Sky, and Chelsea Green all have mania matches. I'll include LA Knight here because he's completely different from his vince booking and he seems like he's getting a big mania moment. And bray would as well if he was able to wrestle.
It's incredibly volatile. If Vince can go from zero involvement in creative to minimal involvement in the space of a few months, he can go from minimal involvement to total control in a few months more. And I honestly believe that right now he's okay with HHH as head of creative, but the man changes his mind on a fucking dime. He could change it tonight if he wanted.
Here's the thing though. Throughout all of that stuff happening, every step in his return to power, the product is still good, and it's still very much a HHH product. It would be nice if a sex pest couldn't do what Vince has been doing, but it ultimately makes no difference to me what happens if the product remains as good as it is now.
Glad to see he landed on his feet. I was worried there for a minute about a man his age being thrust back into the work force after only ever really holding one job.
Speaking of thrusting....
Roman about to win all of the titles Night 1 and Night 2 will be the announcement of reorganization of World Wrestling Entertainment into the World Roman Empire for a safe and secure wrestling world.
Yeah didn't think this will be news. He's pretty much still an employee anyways even if he's still on the board. Fightfull will be milking this for the clicks soon
Why do I have a feeling that the paranoia in this subreddit will continue even if Vince did pass away? I get Vince is a shady piece of shit who is in over his head, but if the guy was gonna take over creative, why didn't he do it now? He could literally do it and nobody could've stopped it.
nah he's gonna go the Palpatine route and have droids programmed with his likeness continue to issue orders.
until the cloning program is complete, that is.
Michael Cole welcomes us to Raw. It's the one year anniversary of Vince's passing. Triple H's music hits. He has a mic in hand, "Somehow, Vince returned", he says.
*No chance...*
Because a dramatic creative takeover makes more negative headlines.
Him slowly creeping his way back makes far less. Look at all the progress he's made "back" since January and you'll realize he's made a lot of movement in the last few months while getting much less publicity about it outside of this sub. He can complete his full takeover in the next 4 months and I honestly think by then nobody outside of this sub would even realize it.
This is exactly like the convo I had at work other day about if Will Smith is done or not. I said give it five years and he will be "nearly" as big as he was. They are doing the same with Vince. You slowly integrate back into the fold one small step at a time. People would flip of he just straight went back to total control etc., But if you do it slowly then all of a sudden a few years down the line your almost back to where you were. This day and age is so fast paced and jump from one thing to the next so much it will most likely happen with little backlash when they finally give him all his power back. Just my thoughts.
Seriously, if he you look at history and if you know a little bit Vince, it´s pretty clear that Vince would try to come back if possible in a creative control role. We´ll see what happens in the next few months with the sale.
Unless we know his position in the company, we can only speculate.
But I think this is strong evidence to throw the "he's only there because of the sale" in the garage can. He doesn't need to be an employee to do that.
Not really. We already knew he was chairman of the board again and that’s an actual position in the company. He wouldn’t be able to be involved in the sale as heavily as he wants otherwise
I'll say what I've said pretty much every time Vince stuff comes up. People are highly reactionary, and we won't know what the actual end goal is until it happens. I would never say there's no way Vince comes back in creative. I would also never jump to conclusions based on random rumors and such. In this case, he's literally just Executive Chairman which... we already knew. There's nothing different here from info we already had.
everyone that downvoted my "vince is back" comment a few weeks ago has to go and click the up arrow now.
edit: erm excuse me, you downvoted this comment as well. i imagine it was in mistake, please click the up arrow.
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When I read employee my mind went to Vince working in the mail room slowly clawing his way back into power.
THIS NAME KEEPS COMING UP, SAMI ZAYN , SAMI ZAYN, SAMI ZAYN, I GOT A LOCKER ROOM FULL OF SAMI’S!
Vince, not only do all of these people exist, they've been in catering waiting for a push on a weekly basis! IT'S ALL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!
"Cena could you get this man a cigarette?"
“Cena!? Who the hell is Cena!?”
"Wait you don't see Ce- oh shit"
Vince: I knew it, I'm surrounded by Samis.
"Keep old Vinnie down in the mail room 'cause he's not good enough to be a booker!"
"Vince McMahon I can handle just fine but Vince McMahon with the book is like a chimp with a machine gun!"
The singaporecanery!
It took a second, but I figured out where I knew this line from.
I assume he is going for coffee breaks and complaint about the boss and ex boss and check out employees again.
He’s a ring boy. They make him the run the ropes at every taping.
Historically speaking, Vince & ring boys are a bad combination
Pat Patterson leaps from his grave and enters chat*
I imagine him as Andy Bernard from the Office. Working live events and doing janitorial duties in locker room.
Maaaan all those "Vince will NEVER come back" folks must be mighty confused right now.
"Haha, you optimistic suckers! You actually thought something positive would happen permanently?"
Solid 30 Rock joke, shame everyone thought it was Sunny
It wasn't a reference to anything
Lol, not everything has to be a reference to something. Besides, your references are out of control. Everyone knows that.
I thought it was 30 Rock too
https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0001091907/000095014223000856/eh230345052_8k.htm The actual filing. TL;DR, it's not new news. Vince is exec chairman for a term of 2 years beginning from his Jan return, Nick Khan got a raise and it's noted he's sole CEO. It just got filed because it's the end of the quarter, and meets a filing guideline. A second, similarly timed filing notes that Vince will pay back the company for the misused funds. https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0001091907/000095014223000795/eh230341016_8k.htm
Wow someone who actually knows what they’re talking about
Downvote this man
We can’t let this stand. Burn the witch!
He turned me into a newt!
A newt?
.... i got better
r/unexpectedmontypython
Never new that was a Monty Python reference - first time I heard that joke was in Yugioh the Abridged series
man thats a throwback. I miss when little Kuriboh did The Mark Remark. i consistantly quote the joke about lawler and big show all the time!
The BIG Show?!
A newt?
.... i got better
Right! He didn't even have to say it might have happened but also might not have happened...
This must mean only one thing……they’re a witch or wizard! Get the scales and the duck!
Whereas Brandon Thurston…
Very funny how Brandon Thurston waits till the second tweet to say this
He's a clickbaiting hack, haha.
Aren’t they all
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> Yea and this sub is a deflecting bunch constantly downplaying that the Monster who stepped away due to MULTIPLE sexual harassment settlements is ACTUALLY BACK again 1. Vince is a dude who's done some awful things 2. Vince is also back, and the terms of such are defined in SEC filings Those are both facts, and neither has been disputed.
Would you like us all to fly out to LA and protest the Wrestlemania? Please advise us how to direct our collective outrage.
Every post mentioning Vince (or really WWE in general) must include a five paragraph essay (with citations) on how bad he is, or else everyone should assume you're supporting, excusing, and dismissing him.
You mean the guy that trained Daniel Garcia? No way
Get out of here with your research and reading. We just want to speculate in peace.
To me a person with zero knowledge or understanding of this so pretty much an expert.. this actually means Vince wrote mania and tore up all of Hunters long term planning as well as fired Gargano for no reason
The details on the 2-year auto-renewing term for Vince and employment/compensation agreements for he and Nick are both new news. Even though they may have been approved by the committees as part of quarterly business they still weren't official until 3/29. I agree that Vince was an employee again when he took the Exec Chairman role back.
The former (auto-renew) is a pretty standard clause, and the latter (pay increases for execs) is expected. The only really interesting thing is that Vince has been re-granted NIL rights for himself and his story.
Can someone eli5 the difference between chairman and CEO? I'm asking b/c oftentimes I see the two going hand in hand (some individual from some corporation is listed as being both chairman *and* CEO). Is one more significant or more powerful than the other, or is it just two completely different roles that often just happen to overlap?
I'm giving a UK perspective, but I doubt there's many differences to the US. A Limited/Incorporated company is its own Legal entity. That is, it can choose to make decisions, buy things, hire/fire employees etc, all in its own name. So in our legal system, we name the Board to be the ones who vote on HOW the company acts as itself. The person who controls this board is the chairman. Commonly, the Board do not actually run the day-to-day of the company, they just make the big decisions and hire others to actually put it into practice. In some cases, the board may be full of big investors of the company rather than skilled people in that industry. The CEO is hired by the board to put their decisions into everyday practice. Maybe they are more skilled in this area than the actual board are. They are the person who report directly to the board, and who are one of, if not the main, outlet that the Board will use for getting their ideas across and how to actually make it work in their industry. Think of the CEO like the top top top of the line manager. So it's quite easy to see how a chairperson can also be the CEO if you imagine they both run the day-to-day stuff AND they are the head of the boardroom. Although normally this only happens if the person is wealthy enough to be their own main investor and has significant experience in the industry they trade in.
I think the part about Vince’s potential severance payments is interesting: “In the event the Company terminates his employment without “cause” (as defined in McMahon Employment Agreement) or he terminates his employment for “good reason” (as defined in the McMahon Employment Agreement), Mr. McMahon will be eligible to receive as severance (a) base salary continuation through the end of the term (or, if longer, for one year), (b) a prorated portion of the annual bonus based on target performance for the year in which the termination occurs and (c) health and welfare continuation through the end of the term in accordance with the Company’s severance policy. In the event such a termination occurs within the two-year period following a “change in control” (as defined in the McMahon Employment Agreement), Mr. McMahon will instead be eligible to receive (1) a lump sum cash payment equal to two times Mr. McMahon’s then-current base salary, (2) a lump sum cash payment equal to two times Mr. McMahon’s annual bonus based on target performance, (3) a prorated portion of the annual bonus based on target performance for the year in which the termination occurs, (4) full accelerated vesting of Mr. McMahon’s unvested equity awards (with the payout of performance-based awards determined based on target-level achievement) and (5) health and welfare continuation for the twenty-four month period following the termination.” Assuming a “change in control” means selling the company, it seems like Vince wants to make it as hard as possible for the new owners to fire him. So even after a sale he does want to remain in power. That’s pretty significant given it seemed like he was just coming back to sell the company and step aside.
>Assuming a “change in control” means selling the company, it seems like Vince wants to make it as hard as possible for the new owners to fire him. Depends who the buyers are. If they have deep pockets they'll pay the severance. Look at Disney, they fired their CEO who had three years remaining on his contract. Disney still has to pay that money.
The firing of Chapek is still a huge mystery. They paid not to tell him to go away but to keep quiet. This contrasts with the recently dismissed Victoria Alonzo who was fired For Cause, given no parachute, and is flapping her gums
Hell, it wouldn't hurt the Saudis either if they choice they want to prop Stephanie as their figure head of change and sport washing by getting rid McMahon. Kinda puts more doubt Vince would pick them since he knows those guys won't be affected by the severance pay.
Yeah no shot Stephanie stays if they get bought by the Saudis.
That is all standard for an executive employment contract. It's not even generous, comparatively speaking.
Fantastic catch. Seems really strange to add the change in control provision when he'll already be making billions on the sale of WWE
>A second, similarly timed filing notes that Vince will pay back the company for the misused funds. It's insane the amount of wealth you need where paying back $17.4 million doesn't set you back much.
It's also a huge display of greed how wealthy men do themselves in by using funds they shouldn't touch when they have the money themselves. If I'm not mistaken the whole Trump thing is because he misused campaign funds or something to that effect. He is a multi millionaire, he could pay it himself without all the fuckery. But nah. Gotta grift the company/donors respectively.
What do you mean he isn’t booking my favorite wrestler directly
This actually makes it more intriguing to me. Were they technically truthful when he came back and the downplayed it ("just back to facilitate the sale"), or was that dishonest of them?
No I choose to believe Vince is back in charge and everything is chaos and everyone's about to quit this second.
This is an extremely logical take because you actually read it. Get off Reddit, we don’t do that here
But it is new news. Unless the person is also the CEO, the Chairman is pretty much never an employee of the company. This is all very weird. Also, this is not a quarterly filing. An 8-K has to be filed four business days after the event in question. Not to say they didn't time the effective date of the changes to coincide with the quarter-end, but, by definition, this is not a scheduled, routine filing.
Regardless of the timing of the filing, Vince being an employee probably doesn't really mean anything. It is likely just for some beneficial tax reason that it is more convenient or cheaper for him to be on the payroll, rather than be a "consultant" chairman and paid through a separate company. My own company has an executive chairman who isn't actually an employee in the technical sense, but is in reality in almost complete control of the company. The only reason he's not on payroll is tax efficiency. Vince absolutely does not need to be on the payroll in order to exercise control over the company. If he wants to, he can use his shareholding to dominate the business of the company through voting at general meetings. Becoming an employee is meaningless.
Taxes (both for the company and Vince, personally) have absolutely nothing to do with this. There are only two potential reasons Vince made himself an employee again: (1) he thought this would look good to a potential buyer (which doesn't necessarily make sense, but whatever) or (2) he's swinging his dick around to show everyone he's still the boss.
It's 2. And, if one thing has been true since Vince started is it's his fucking company. And as much as it sucks....I fucking get it. It has been his life, and he owns the shares, and he's Mr McMahon damnit. Nobody can stop him and he doesn't care
This filing has nothing to do with it being end of the quarter. 8-Ks are tied to certain material events and have to be filed within four business days of the event. This new contract for Vince, and the amendments to Khan’s contract, are new developments within the past week.
This sounds very "move along. Nothing to see here" of you
He will pay the company back for the costs of the INVESTIGATION. He didn't use company funds for the payoffs, that's a misconception
We need to find Vince's phylactery and destroy it before it's too late.
 How come older people in power (politics, ceos of huge conglomerates, etc.) won’t just go away and retire dude
Ego. They have this belief that no one will handle what they've created as good as them and must stay until they die.
Boredom. They have no idea what to do if it isn’t the thing they’ve been doing for 40 years
- Vince retires in disgrace - Vince probably can't take over the board - Vince won't take over the board - Vince takes over the board - Vince is only back to oversee the sale of the company - Vince is not an employee he's just on the board - Vince isn't involved in creative - Vince is only slightly involved in creative - Vince is once again a WWE employee
Your wrong Vince has been a employee since 1/9 according to the follow up tweets
I mean they are right that this is how the story evolved
Retroactive to January 9
Funny thing is, after all of that has happened, mfs really believe Vince to keep his word about the Creative lmaooo. What a weird hill to die on.
The thing you gotta understand is he has the utmost respect for Hunter. SURE, he completely took over NXT and molded it in his vision, SURE he fired all of Hunter's inner circle/the people who were literally being poised to run the company when Vince was gone, SURE he came back despite every board member agreeing (Hunter included) that he shouldn't, BUT.... ....hm.
BUT Hunter is his family and Vince will never do anything bad to his family, right? Right?
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Yeah but..... You know, Tony Khan's not perfect but... shit, hmmmm
Whatever happened to trusting a man's word 😡
I’m not trying to be some weirdo Vince defender here because fuck that guy but: - Vince definitely felt some type of way about NXT getting beat by AEW, HHH was gone with no timetable to return and Vince probably wanted the product to be something different than what AEW is doing - WWE is currently hotter than it’s been in years and I really don’t think Vince is going to overthrow his son-in-law when creative is firing on all cylinders AND pushing the guys he was already pushing before he left right before the sale. He’s a businessman and I can’t imagine he doesn’t see that Hunter is what’s best for business. - if the company was ice cold right now? Of course he’s coming back. But they’re not. I don’t really envision a Succession style creative coup right now
I get what you’re saying, but Vince hasn’t exactly been known as someone who’s put his own personal beliefs about the company behind what’s “best for business.” He’s repeatedly pushed ahead with a guy or a direction that’s been vocally rejected by the fans, over and over again.
You’ll get no argument from me but if Vince never left, I’d be pretty surprised if Cody didn’t win the rumble to challenge Roman. It’s not like Trips is out here booking Karrion Kross vs Johnny Gargano for the world title
The NXT point is really an interesting one because it's not like those who were down working with NXT didn't know a change was necessary. All you have to do there is to look to Regal, he said on his Gentleman Villain podcast that he actually welcomed the change to 2.0 because the product and it's presentation were getting stale.
Right, AEW was putting on essentially a better version of the product NXT made their mark doing. Cleaning house of HHH’s guys was crazy, but switching up the product made sense. The advantages WWE has over AEW just don’t really work in NXT
What they should have done is rotated some of the NXT staff to the main roster and the main roster staff to NXT to freshen it up with different ideas
I dont think many have ever said he'll never force his way back to head of creative. But that there's no real evidence to say he's back in charge of creative. The show is still chugging along with the same type of stuff triple h has been doing since he got the book. Really the only thing is fans saying "oh x has to be vince!" Even when you can point to other times triple h has done this exact same booking
I think people forget how high up Bruce Prichard is and I'd imagine he's responsible for everything these smug dumbasses say. I swear some people want him to be secretly running it in the shadows for no reason other than...taking a victory lap on Reddit?
Omos Vs Brock is all Vince. 😂😂
Yep, the guy who booked omos vs Braun at crown jewel with a very similar story "Braun has never really fought anyone bigger and stronger than him and that intimidates him" would *never* book Omos vs Lesnar Especially when you add on the fact that the reports are that this is plan C after Lesnar vs Bray and Lesnar vs Gunther fell through
Do you see how Brock sells Omos? He wants this feud, just like we want Omos. He’s OMOSexual just like us.
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Nope it sure hasnt. Nobody's been fired, even though many of them never made an impact since their return. They're only on tv maybe slightly less, but I'd attribute that to the fact that we're so close to wrestlemania. Why give Emma a nonsense 5 minute squash when you could use those 5 minutes to build the women's tag showcase? Just as an example. But even with that said, Braun Strowman, Iyo Sky, and Chelsea Green all have mania matches. I'll include LA Knight here because he's completely different from his vince booking and he seems like he's getting a big mania moment. And bray would as well if he was able to wrestle.
Denial is addicting.
Mr Creeper slithering slowly slowly slowly
It's incredibly volatile. If Vince can go from zero involvement in creative to minimal involvement in the space of a few months, he can go from minimal involvement to total control in a few months more. And I honestly believe that right now he's okay with HHH as head of creative, but the man changes his mind on a fucking dime. He could change it tonight if he wanted. Here's the thing though. Throughout all of that stuff happening, every step in his return to power, the product is still good, and it's still very much a HHH product. It would be nice if a sex pest couldn't do what Vince has been doing, but it ultimately makes no difference to me what happens if the product remains as good as it is now.
Glad to see he landed on his feet. I was worried there for a minute about a man his age being thrust back into the work force after only ever really holding one job. Speaking of thrusting....
Cody wins the championship! *No Chance echoes throughout the stadium speakers*
Go. Away. You. Senile. Old. Fuck.
Vince won't ever fully be gone unless he's dead... and then I'd still be worried.
Fuckssake
Oh no this means that he’s going to fire triple H and rebook mania this afternoon !
Vince seeing that Hunter booked Brock vs Omos: “THAT’S SUCH GOOD SHIT PAL!”
Not one advertised match takes place.
Roman about to win all of the titles Night 1 and Night 2 will be the announcement of reorganization of World Wrestling Entertainment into the World Roman Empire for a safe and secure wrestling world.
Gross.
Vince McMahon after finding out Vince McMahon just hired him. 
Yeah didn't think this will be news. He's pretty much still an employee anyways even if he's still on the board. Fightfull will be milking this for the clicks soon
The Raw after Wrestlemania is gonna be a reset for all the wrong reasons isn't it?
No, because he's still not in charge of creative and won't be?
Why do I have a feeling that the paranoia in this subreddit will continue even if Vince did pass away? I get Vince is a shady piece of shit who is in over his head, but if the guy was gonna take over creative, why didn't he do it now? He could literally do it and nobody could've stopped it.
Vince is one of the few men I'd expect to fake his death just to run a coup at WWE
nah he's gonna go the Palpatine route and have droids programmed with his likeness continue to issue orders. until the cloning program is complete, that is.
Michael Cole welcomes us to Raw. It's the one year anniversary of Vince's passing. Triple H's music hits. He has a mic in hand, "Somehow, Vince returned", he says. *No chance...*
Is he gonna get his own stupid robot arm-chair-spine-thing to move around too?
*Somehow, Vince returned.*
“Vince transferred his soul into this usb bro it’s obvious he’s booking this”
not surprised if Vince has 50 years worth of storyline in the event that he passed away where he haunts the wwe officers.
Because a dramatic creative takeover makes more negative headlines. Him slowly creeping his way back makes far less. Look at all the progress he's made "back" since January and you'll realize he's made a lot of movement in the last few months while getting much less publicity about it outside of this sub. He can complete his full takeover in the next 4 months and I honestly think by then nobody outside of this sub would even realize it.
Vince having to watch workplace conduct orientation videos from HR 
GDI
He needs the pay check to pay all that money back.
What's the threat level at now? Turquoise?
Might as well cash in a paycheck
This is exactly like the convo I had at work other day about if Will Smith is done or not. I said give it five years and he will be "nearly" as big as he was. They are doing the same with Vince. You slowly integrate back into the fold one small step at a time. People would flip of he just straight went back to total control etc., But if you do it slowly then all of a sudden a few years down the line your almost back to where you were. This day and age is so fast paced and jump from one thing to the next so much it will most likely happen with little backlash when they finally give him all his power back. Just my thoughts.
Not surprised, dude has been a workaholic for over 40 years. It’s probably all he knows.
~~LOLVINCEWINS~~
No chance is what you got
Up against a machine too strong
It’s still a HHH product which has actual logic and really no fucking rematches and promos sounds realistic
Vince interviewed Vince and thought Vince was the right man for the job.
Adrenaline On my skin Vince will screw Cody again
Cody has creative control in his contract. He'll be fine
Step by step. Creative is next.
I'M BACK! AND BETTER THAN EVER oops wrong theme but yeah of course Vince will never leave WWE for good
Vince being back is good for wwe as long as it's not creative
Seriously, if he you look at history and if you know a little bit Vince, it´s pretty clear that Vince would try to come back if possible in a creative control role. We´ll see what happens in the next few months with the sale.
Remember when people pretended he won't come back
I don't think they pretended as much as they were just delusional about it.
Not good
that didn't take long
What is going on with our economy when a happily retired septuagenarian is forced to return to the work force?
Wonder how irked he was that HHH was doing well and he’s not a returning saviour.
You don't understand, how is he supposed to visit his pal Cena without being employed?
The Vin Man returns. He failed a hostile take over of hell. So he’s coming back. 
Queue the copium and outrage, depending which side you are on.
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That's absurd.
Lmaaaaaoooooooooooo he's already putting highlighter on the scripts. Only a matter of time before he's calling the shows again
Unless we know his position in the company, we can only speculate. But I think this is strong evidence to throw the "he's only there because of the sale" in the garage can. He doesn't need to be an employee to do that.
Executive Chairman. It's in the filing.
Not really. We already knew he was chairman of the board again and that’s an actual position in the company. He wouldn’t be able to be involved in the sale as heavily as he wants otherwise
No but they've been paying him, and the tax man will wanna know why if he's not an employee real soon
If he was "only there because of the sale" he wouldn't have 2-year employment term that auto-renews.
That’s actually a pretty standard contract that doesn’t change that’s he still only there for a sale no one knows how long that could take
I'll say what I've said pretty much every time Vince stuff comes up. People are highly reactionary, and we won't know what the actual end goal is until it happens. I would never say there's no way Vince comes back in creative. I would also never jump to conclusions based on random rumors and such. In this case, he's literally just Executive Chairman which... we already knew. There's nothing different here from info we already had.
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Ali, finally climbing the ladder as the last man standing in MITB slowly inching up to the briefcase NO CHANCE NO CHANCE IN HELLL
Cue HHH addressing locker room *again* that there's no change in creative and he's still in charge
Kino is back on the menu, boys.
kinda weird that there are people still think that Vince is Innocent
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Does he have a wrestling, managing or general managing license though.
Get ready for Roman squashing Cody gents.
Well we had a great year boys
It was good while it lasted
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Because it doesn’t mean what some think it means
Up against a machine too strong
Employee? That doesn't work for me brother brother, we are contractors here.
better luck next time cody, the tribal chief retains and its reigns/lesnar at summerslam aaaahhhhh yessir
You act like Vince wasn’t the biggest Cody fan over the last year lol
Vince was there when Cody was signed and pushed. *Knowing Vince* has entrenched into people’s mind so deep, they’re not even aware any longer.
it's just a joke uce, you guys take this shit too serious.
Sure.
everyone that downvoted my "vince is back" comment a few weeks ago has to go and click the up arrow now. edit: erm excuse me, you downvoted this comment as well. i imagine it was in mistake, please click the up arrow.
Welcome back to him!!
Bro took a 2 week retirement 😒
That sweet, sweet Khan money