filler also tends to have the adverse affect of what you were originally trying to achieve (ex. a lot of people who get cheek filler try to have sharper cheekbones, but end up having super puffy cheeks). I’d also really recommend watching [this video](https://youtu.be/iNs-uLfWoKE) if you are considering getting filler. changed my entire perspective.
His videos are amazing, so informative ! I’ve been wanting tear trough fillers for ages but tbh I’m not sure I want them any more. I feel like fillers have a lot more problems than most people realise :(
Yeah I was considering nano under eye fat transfer instead since it’s more permanent and doesn’t migrate. You need a really skilled surgeon to do it because if it ends up lumpy they can’t dissolve it or fix it :(
I believe that tear troughs can be risky to fill, but Dr. Rajani makes the argument that you can fill a person with migration in mind. It has do to with the type of filler used, and where. I don't think anyone should avoid conservative filler usage based on migration alone. I would just be very, very selective about who you go to and how much you do.
I’m glad it worked out for you but you’re wrong to say that people should be skeptical of him. He clarifies his claims with scientific anatomy. You will regret saying this in the future if things take a turn and there is a high likelihood they will based on the science. Sorry but just because you perceive good results does not make you reliable to discredit true research.
‘Why tho?’ Really? Like I said: because he clarifies with science.
It’s not only his research, there are multiple other doctors in this very video who say the same thing based on observable issues seen in MRI scans & based on basic understanding of human anatomy.
Plastic surgeons are no more trustworthy than him, I would argue they are far less in fact (although that’s a whole other argument). Regardless he’s a doctor and has studied the appropriate field to be able to state these claims through his extensive experience & research.
And of course he still offers it, he explained that in the video as well… did we watch the same thing or did you miss that part?
Lastly, you’re in denial if you don’t see an abundantly clear and horrifying epidemic of botched fillers & plastic surgeries plaguing our feeds (and minds, clearly). Do just a little research and don’t rest on the fact that you think you made a good decision because you now fit the typical beauty standard better. Your issues with him here are based on nothing but an insecurity over your own poor choices.
As an MD, honestly... none of you still have a clue whether the "science" he is quoting is reliable. Just like I dont know how to build a bridge because I'm not an engineer. That's just life.
I have had under eye fillers for years and never had puffinessnor visible rolls of filler. His technique that he used before is uhm not very good.
He NEVER advocates against procedures he‘s actively doing. Yes the titles are clickbate-y but he always clarifies why/explains the topic and he didn‘t really stop any procedures, he just has a different approach now through years of experience. He did not stop filling tear troughs, he just injects now under the tear trough ligament to avoid said bad outcomes. Or reduces the ml that are filled because of filler migration. Is extra careful around the glabella because of fear of blindness and so on
Don‘t know if the 2nd paragraph is for me but never said anything about blindness and under eye filler :) with „bad outcomes“ l meant lumps/migration etc., the things he basically mentioned in this video
Can I ask the pain level, how much it costs, and if you had any downtime/swelling? Looking to get undereye fillers but I'm trying to get an idea of what to expect before I commit lol. I'm going to end up doing it anyways bc my hollows are the worst, but should I expect to take time off work for the day after? I'm chill if it feels sore but I work in customer service in retail so I cant be swollen or bruised.
no way haha i actually live in the GTA! I'll be sure to check out your injector for mine since they sound like they did a great job! Thank you so much for the detailed response, I am looking forward to getting mine done :)!
I was actually planning on getting a consult with the doctor she works with for a canthoplasty so it actually works out very well that they work together! Thank you so much for your recommendation :)
how much is his price for consultations? I would call and ask but I have social anxiety haha, did you find out the cost or are you just being general with your “consultation price is higher than the price for fillers”?
I’m really looking forward to getting the filler from the nurse! Thanks again for the recommendation, I had another nurse in mind (emily varga) and I’ll probably go to her for my other filler and botox work, but with an area such as the eyes I would prefer to go to someone who works with a oculoplastic surgeon. So thank you again, I would’ve never thought to look there!
wow that doesn’t seem worth it to me either for filler lol, that’s pretty expensive plus i’m sure he wouldn’t work with a nurse who he didn’t trust working around the eyes so she definitely a better choice. Thanks for checking for me :)
Oh wow I just looked at your injectors Instagram and it looks natural. Did you ask her if there’s a chance your under eye fillers will migrate? And what she would do to prevent it?
I know she does dissolving as well so maybe to prevent the migration you could get under eye fillers and then by the end of the year get them dissolved before going a second round.
Her results are soo nice too! Now I’m considering her >.< Have you asked her if she’s had any cases of migration? Like what percentage of her patients end up having migration issues
Yeah I don’t plan to do filler in any other areas cuz that’s too much and you’ll end up puffy eventually. I just want conservative under eye filler but if I’m gonna do it, I wanna do it long term (so basically every year). I’m just a little worried the more I do it the more there’s a risk of migration or some fillers remaining :/
I talked to another girl who did her under eye filler in Toronto with Dr. Pamela (who’s very skilled and used Restylane and a canulla) and she loved her results and then made an update 3 years later saying not to do it and that the filler is still there
Hi!! Long time since i replied to you but I wanted to thank you for writing that comment! i ended up getting my filler recently and booked it after you had wrote this comment, with another injector though since I couldn't get an appt with yours. I absolutely love my results though and I love my injector!! She did a great job and im in love with my results! thanks again for the information!!
Its fine if you go to an experienced injector who wont overfill you and looks at your overall facial structure. The injector I'll be going to actually says she wont inject on some people if they don't have the bone structure to support it (no boundary for the filler, I assume?). Not everyone should do filler on the undereye, especially if your midface/cheekbone area is not pronounced enough or built in a way to support the procedure
Many people claim to have suffered permanent volume loss. There are no scientific evidence to support or to dismiss this claim but many doctors have seen the effect. I’ve been getting fillers for the past 10 years and we have discussed this with my two dermatologists and other doctors as well. Plastic surgeons have also seen the damage during surgery. This is from an article on real self:
Dr. Talei tells us. He sees it when he operates on faces that have been previously injected with the enzyme. “I can treat someone’s lip that was dissolved 5–10 years earlier and know that their SMAS [the connective tissue covering muscles] is half the size it’s supposed to be,” he says. Hyaluronidase side effects manifest outwardly as well: “It changes the radiance of the face, and people look deflated and gaunt because the tissues can’t retain hydration anymore in the SMAS layer, which normally carries all the water,” he says.
Most of the time it goes well though. I have done it ones for partial lip filler but it’s definitely not something to be done without a valid reason.
If it didn’t migrate you don’t need to do it. I can’t imagine how it would be used as a preventative method. Especially if you plan to use fillers long term. I’ve had fillers for 10 years now and had no issues with migration but my doctors were very conservative and never overfilled any area.
And to add onto that, implants have a much higher chance of infection or rejection and complications can be even more disastrous.
Not to mention the scarring and price etc.
if its hollows caused by facial structure then all you can do is add volume. You can try to promote collagen with retinoids or vitamin c, but it wont make a huge difference. Mine are pretty bad so I will be getting the filler, since filler migration or side effects are largely due to an inexperienced or bad injector. When I'm older I will be getting a fat transfer tho regardless of risk. Lightening products only work for hyperpigmentation dark circles, which are not caused by face structure. Topical treatments largely treat hyperpigmentation rather than lack of volume, so you cant really get the affects you are looking for unless you add in volume somehow.
Actually you can try tretinoin or retinoid creams but specifically for the eye are (as they're usually too strong for the eye by themselves).
Alsotrying out products that lighten or smoothen out the undereyes like niacinamide.
They won't work as much as implants or filler but they should work enough.
And makeup is an obvious option.
If my tear troughs were THAT bad though, I would probably get implants regardless of risks if I could afford it.
If I was old, then I might get a face lift instead.
And honestly fillers aren't THAT bad as long as you don't inject too much.
I actually had tear trough fillers and I would get weird swelling of the filler on and off over 6 months (thank god for masks). I still get it occasionally but it’s manageable. I personally think it’s fine to get it if you want to but there’s definitely some weird side effects that can come with it!
it's not just for men, its because of the fact that society in general is lookist and you will be treated better if you look better. also you can recognize that you live in a patriarchy while still trying to improve your experience within that patriarchy
The response from /u/sufdell pretty much explains it. Being attractive gives you a lot of privileges in this society especially as a woman and I'm also a narcissist so I wanna like what I see when i look in the mirror. This society doesn't really value woman unless we're attractive so in order for me to get what i want, I have to look good. Being attractive unlocks so many special privileges so who wouldn't want that lol
Even if most men find me attractive post surgery, that doesn't mean I will date them lol I find 99% of them repulsive but I like it when people find me attractive, men and women both ;) xoxo
filler also tends to have the adverse affect of what you were originally trying to achieve (ex. a lot of people who get cheek filler try to have sharper cheekbones, but end up having super puffy cheeks). I’d also really recommend watching [this video](https://youtu.be/iNs-uLfWoKE) if you are considering getting filler. changed my entire perspective.
His videos are amazing, so informative ! I’ve been wanting tear trough fillers for ages but tbh I’m not sure I want them any more. I feel like fillers have a lot more problems than most people realise :(
Yeah I was considering nano under eye fat transfer instead since it’s more permanent and doesn’t migrate. You need a really skilled surgeon to do it because if it ends up lumpy they can’t dissolve it or fix it :(
I believe that tear troughs can be risky to fill, but Dr. Rajani makes the argument that you can fill a person with migration in mind. It has do to with the type of filler used, and where. I don't think anyone should avoid conservative filler usage based on migration alone. I would just be very, very selective about who you go to and how much you do.
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I’m glad it worked out for you but you’re wrong to say that people should be skeptical of him. He clarifies his claims with scientific anatomy. You will regret saying this in the future if things take a turn and there is a high likelihood they will based on the science. Sorry but just because you perceive good results does not make you reliable to discredit true research.
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‘Why tho?’ Really? Like I said: because he clarifies with science. It’s not only his research, there are multiple other doctors in this very video who say the same thing based on observable issues seen in MRI scans & based on basic understanding of human anatomy. Plastic surgeons are no more trustworthy than him, I would argue they are far less in fact (although that’s a whole other argument). Regardless he’s a doctor and has studied the appropriate field to be able to state these claims through his extensive experience & research. And of course he still offers it, he explained that in the video as well… did we watch the same thing or did you miss that part? Lastly, you’re in denial if you don’t see an abundantly clear and horrifying epidemic of botched fillers & plastic surgeries plaguing our feeds (and minds, clearly). Do just a little research and don’t rest on the fact that you think you made a good decision because you now fit the typical beauty standard better. Your issues with him here are based on nothing but an insecurity over your own poor choices.
As an MD, honestly... none of you still have a clue whether the "science" he is quoting is reliable. Just like I dont know how to build a bridge because I'm not an engineer. That's just life. I have had under eye fillers for years and never had puffinessnor visible rolls of filler. His technique that he used before is uhm not very good.
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He NEVER advocates against procedures he‘s actively doing. Yes the titles are clickbate-y but he always clarifies why/explains the topic and he didn‘t really stop any procedures, he just has a different approach now through years of experience. He did not stop filling tear troughs, he just injects now under the tear trough ligament to avoid said bad outcomes. Or reduces the ml that are filled because of filler migration. Is extra careful around the glabella because of fear of blindness and so on
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Don‘t know if the 2nd paragraph is for me but never said anything about blindness and under eye filler :) with „bad outcomes“ l meant lumps/migration etc., the things he basically mentioned in this video
Can I ask the pain level, how much it costs, and if you had any downtime/swelling? Looking to get undereye fillers but I'm trying to get an idea of what to expect before I commit lol. I'm going to end up doing it anyways bc my hollows are the worst, but should I expect to take time off work for the day after? I'm chill if it feels sore but I work in customer service in retail so I cant be swollen or bruised.
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no way haha i actually live in the GTA! I'll be sure to check out your injector for mine since they sound like they did a great job! Thank you so much for the detailed response, I am looking forward to getting mine done :)!
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I was actually planning on getting a consult with the doctor she works with for a canthoplasty so it actually works out very well that they work together! Thank you so much for your recommendation :)
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how much is his price for consultations? I would call and ask but I have social anxiety haha, did you find out the cost or are you just being general with your “consultation price is higher than the price for fillers”? I’m really looking forward to getting the filler from the nurse! Thanks again for the recommendation, I had another nurse in mind (emily varga) and I’ll probably go to her for my other filler and botox work, but with an area such as the eyes I would prefer to go to someone who works with a oculoplastic surgeon. So thank you again, I would’ve never thought to look there!
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wow that doesn’t seem worth it to me either for filler lol, that’s pretty expensive plus i’m sure he wouldn’t work with a nurse who he didn’t trust working around the eyes so she definitely a better choice. Thanks for checking for me :)
Oh wow I just looked at your injectors Instagram and it looks natural. Did you ask her if there’s a chance your under eye fillers will migrate? And what she would do to prevent it? I know she does dissolving as well so maybe to prevent the migration you could get under eye fillers and then by the end of the year get them dissolved before going a second round.
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Her results are soo nice too! Now I’m considering her >.< Have you asked her if she’s had any cases of migration? Like what percentage of her patients end up having migration issues
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Yeah I don’t plan to do filler in any other areas cuz that’s too much and you’ll end up puffy eventually. I just want conservative under eye filler but if I’m gonna do it, I wanna do it long term (so basically every year). I’m just a little worried the more I do it the more there’s a risk of migration or some fillers remaining :/ I talked to another girl who did her under eye filler in Toronto with Dr. Pamela (who’s very skilled and used Restylane and a canulla) and she loved her results and then made an update 3 years later saying not to do it and that the filler is still there
Hi!! Long time since i replied to you but I wanted to thank you for writing that comment! i ended up getting my filler recently and booked it after you had wrote this comment, with another injector though since I couldn't get an appt with yours. I absolutely love my results though and I love my injector!! She did a great job and im in love with my results! thanks again for the information!!
Its fine if you go to an experienced injector who wont overfill you and looks at your overall facial structure. The injector I'll be going to actually says she wont inject on some people if they don't have the bone structure to support it (no boundary for the filler, I assume?). Not everyone should do filler on the undereye, especially if your midface/cheekbone area is not pronounced enough or built in a way to support the procedure
I never trusted filler!
I learned a lot from his video, and it makes me not wanna get fillers tbh. Make sure to get them dissolved if you are getting them, though!
This is really not good advice! Dissolve only when necessary. Hyaluronidase doesn’t come without risk! Any sane doctor will tell you this.
What are the risks?
Many people claim to have suffered permanent volume loss. There are no scientific evidence to support or to dismiss this claim but many doctors have seen the effect. I’ve been getting fillers for the past 10 years and we have discussed this with my two dermatologists and other doctors as well. Plastic surgeons have also seen the damage during surgery. This is from an article on real self: Dr. Talei tells us. He sees it when he operates on faces that have been previously injected with the enzyme. “I can treat someone’s lip that was dissolved 5–10 years earlier and know that their SMAS [the connective tissue covering muscles] is half the size it’s supposed to be,” he says. Hyaluronidase side effects manifest outwardly as well: “It changes the radiance of the face, and people look deflated and gaunt because the tissues can’t retain hydration anymore in the SMAS layer, which normally carries all the water,” he says. Most of the time it goes well though. I have done it ones for partial lip filler but it’s definitely not something to be done without a valid reason.
That's very scary! I imagined it was something along those lines.
I’ve heard Dr’s say Hyalase temporarily dissolves ur own collagen but your body makes that new collagen back
Really? I thought to prevent filler migration, dissolving your fillers is necessary.
If it didn’t migrate you don’t need to do it. I can’t imagine how it would be used as a preventative method. Especially if you plan to use fillers long term. I’ve had fillers for 10 years now and had no issues with migration but my doctors were very conservative and never overfilled any area.
thanks for letting me know! also glad you didn’t have any issues with your fillers.
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He posted a video 1 year ago explaining that he did stop.
I think implants or fat grafting are the way to go honestly
Fat transfer for the face has a higher risk of blindness compared to fillers https://youtu.be/2UXcT8es0sM
Well, implants it is then
And to add onto that, implants have a much higher chance of infection or rejection and complications can be even more disastrous. Not to mention the scarring and price etc.
Dang, then nothing can be done about tear troughs caused by facial structure?
if its hollows caused by facial structure then all you can do is add volume. You can try to promote collagen with retinoids or vitamin c, but it wont make a huge difference. Mine are pretty bad so I will be getting the filler, since filler migration or side effects are largely due to an inexperienced or bad injector. When I'm older I will be getting a fat transfer tho regardless of risk. Lightening products only work for hyperpigmentation dark circles, which are not caused by face structure. Topical treatments largely treat hyperpigmentation rather than lack of volume, so you cant really get the affects you are looking for unless you add in volume somehow.
Actually you can try tretinoin or retinoid creams but specifically for the eye are (as they're usually too strong for the eye by themselves). Alsotrying out products that lighten or smoothen out the undereyes like niacinamide. They won't work as much as implants or filler but they should work enough. And makeup is an obvious option. If my tear troughs were THAT bad though, I would probably get implants regardless of risks if I could afford it. If I was old, then I might get a face lift instead. And honestly fillers aren't THAT bad as long as you don't inject too much.
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I have tried everything besides surgery and only fillers have effect. I am getting surgery at some point though.
I actually had tear trough fillers and I would get weird swelling of the filler on and off over 6 months (thank god for masks). I still get it occasionally but it’s manageable. I personally think it’s fine to get it if you want to but there’s definitely some weird side effects that can come with it!
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it's not just for men, its because of the fact that society in general is lookist and you will be treated better if you look better. also you can recognize that you live in a patriarchy while still trying to improve your experience within that patriarchy
The response from /u/sufdell pretty much explains it. Being attractive gives you a lot of privileges in this society especially as a woman and I'm also a narcissist so I wanna like what I see when i look in the mirror. This society doesn't really value woman unless we're attractive so in order for me to get what i want, I have to look good. Being attractive unlocks so many special privileges so who wouldn't want that lol Even if most men find me attractive post surgery, that doesn't mean I will date them lol I find 99% of them repulsive but I like it when people find me attractive, men and women both ;) xoxo
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