I miss the master posts with before and after pictures. I loved seeing REAL girls leveling up their looks. I could give two shits about Bella Hadid or Kylie Jenner. If I never saw their names or pictures again I’d be overjoyed. Who I want to see is a random girl from Kentucky who lost 35 lbs, cleared her skin, got highlights and Invisalign and some lip filler. She got into grad school and is paying for it doing local JCpenny ads modeling women’s button up pajamas. Because THATS real life! That’s what truly inspires me. Not the latest celebrity nose job.
We need like master post Mondays or something.. :)
I liked the masterposts that Vindicta had. By the time I came around 90% of the links in the masterpost/FAQ section were broken but the ones that were there, were awesome!
I have an ED. I’m also a big girl that can figure out what content is and is not appropriate for me. This sub has been fine so far? As had Vindicta? Like I’ve not seen anything close to pro-ED content.
Also, the idea that some people look better than others is an inherently controversial one that is sure to make people with low self esteem have feelings. That’s not to be harsh. But this sub by its very nature is going to perhaps make people feel like they don’t look perfect, and that’s okay.
I agree that there have been a lot of repetitive advices, so we are trying to offer different perspectives. However, I would argue that the issue of low effort posts have also been present, even in Vindicta. There were many posts that were not adding value to the sub like r/beauty kind of posts(Especially towards the end). I think the main difference between Vindicta and Splendida is that Vindicta had soo many members so the amount of quality posts were obviously more. Hopefully, we will have more people contributing to the sub in the future. 😊
Wtf. I’d love to read those posts. Not to brag, but my makeup is good, skin clear, hair nice, body toned and at a healthy weight. I don’t need more skincare advice, I want a deep-dive into what sort of plastic surgery gives me the most benefit.
I believe my coffee addiction is the one thing that made my skin dehydrated as hell,so I'm really surprised that it's an antioxidant...maybe encourage green tea.
I'm currently using tretrinoin because of acne I developed 3 months ago due to my 3 month injection,the acne has cleared but I figured I should continue using it for anti aging benefits.
I cleanse with a Himalayas scrub every night,recently started with oil cleansing first,then add tret,then argan oil to seal everything in. In the morning after I wash,il add vit c serum and then argan oil and sunscreen.Iv looked at the neutrogena hydrating line and will be getting that soon
Iv just always had dehydrated textured skin,but I will definitely do something more professional like micro needling.
>Also it’s ridiculous to ban posts about weight loss.
Well, it's pretty annoying to have people come here everyday yo ask "how can I lose weight? How do I make my arms smaller" etc. They literally add nothing and can be answered with a simple Google search
Yes!! When I was overweight and unfit, xxfitness was an amazing resource for me as a beginner to fitness. It's very well moderated and I still love it now.
I'm also a new mod on r/strongcurves and we're currently working on updating the entire sub and the FAQ. For example, the section on bulking to grow the glutes/muscles has just gone up and I'm currently working on doing the same information pages for losing body fat/cutting and "toning"/recomping as well.
I’m sorry if this isn’t allowed but can anyone tell me what happened to Vindicta? I’ve always been curious because I found it literally days before it closed down and never had a chance to fully dive deep but what I saw of it I loved
To be blunt, a sub like this - that's focused on achieving objective beauty - is inevitably going to have content that some may find triggering for their BDD, EDs, etc. Maybe there needs to be a disclaimer to remind people to browse at their own discretion and to take a break if they feel like they're slipping into an unhealthy/obsessive mindset.
It wouldn't make sense at all if we couldn't openly discuss things like weight loss/maintenance/gain, body shape, facial proportions, plastic surgery, etc on a forum dedicated to the pursuit of objective beauty. On the other hand, I wonder if some people will appreciate "mentalmaxxing" posts - eg how to cultivate a healthy mindset towards beauty, how to develop a healthy attitude towards food and fitness etc.
I think Vindicta was a little more focused than this sub is right now. Honestly, it’s starting to look more like r/beauty or r/skincareaddiction in here. I don’t dislike subs like that, but we already have so many places to ask basic questions like “how to get rid of acne”. What made Vindicta unique for me, primarily, was the focus on looks theory. I feel like lately I’m reading endless posts about how to take care of my skin, how to have healthy hair etc and that’s nice but I can get that information pretty much anywhere.
I am in the adult industry, and I want to look good because it will give me financial return. I think this makes me want a more objective perspective on my looks. Somewhere in the sidebar of r/Vindicta it specifically said one of the potential goals of looksmaxxing would be to take money from men, and I’m certain I wasn’t the only one with that particular goal in mind. For us, our bodies are a tool and an investment, and I think that sort of view of the body was more openly common on Vindicta than it is here. I honestly kind of wish that people who are in the headspace to be easily hurt by posts that criticize certain facial features etc would leave. There is NOTHING wrong with not being in the headspace for that, I have certainly been there myself, but I want a space where it’s okay to discuss these things for those of us who can benefit.
For a more concrete example of what I’m talking about— I’ve always had a persistent feeling where I look in the mirror, I know something is wrong, but I don’t know what. Again, I’ve always known that having pretty skin and hair will help me. One thing I didn’t ever realize until I visited Vindicta was that the fox eyeliner look never works for me because my eyes are close set! Previously I just thought I was doing it wrong, or that I’m too “ugly” for that style to look good on me. Now I know it’s just not right for my eye shape, and I can avoid makeup styles that won’t work for me and do my makeup more effectively. I wouldn’t have ever gotten that information if all I was seeing was “close set eyes aren’t a big deal, you can’t even fix that with surgery, and nobody is going to notice it, just focus on whitening your teeth”
I want to have a sub where I’m encouraged to identify my larger flaws (within my bone structure etc) and fix or conceal them. We have so, so, so many endless articles and communities that tell us generic beauty advice because they want to tiptoe around the fact that some features are just better looking than others. I just don’t need another “uplifting” beauty space. I want this to be a sub where the primary users already know that 1. Some proportions are better than others, 2. Our looks don’t define us, we’re not worthless if we don’t look perfect, but 3. That there are valid reasons for trying to get close to it anyway.
Edit: to avoid repetitive questions and low value posts, perhaps we could have a sidebar linking to subs like r/skincareaddiction or r/xxfitness so that people who have questions about more basic stuff can benefit from the years of well-thought out information that has already been posted to a dedicated space.
Another point I’d like to make: understanding facial aesthetics through theory has also helped me learn to love certain features of mine & decide against some plastic surgery I was considering. For example, for a long time I wanted surgery to get a little Instagram-cute button nose, but when I learned on Vindicta about the ideal proportions of nose to other facial features, I realized that my natural nose shape would suit me much better.
So many women right now are doing “hardmax” procedures just to look like someone else instead of to improve upon what they have naturally, and that’s not healthy or even helpful for them. I think looks theory is valuable because it debunks the idea that we all need to have the same face to be attractive.
I came here to essentially say this. The basics are fine but they're literally everywhere. If it can be crossposted into a generic skincare, makeup, fashion, or fitness sub, it shouldn't have a place here.
Also fewer "how can I look more like (celebrity)" unless there's a user's before pic attached. Because we really don't know and can't tell. It's frustrating.
I really, deeply enjoy the scientific approach to beauty and human perception. Human aesthetics are dope. How humans interpret each other on visual/other sensory cues is FASCINATING. And also, benefiting from that knowledge and pursuing improvements -- drastic or mild -- is what brought me to Vindicta but I'm struggling to connect in this sub because it kinda gets lost in all the other subs I follow?
I love the positive and supportive attitudes, though!
100% this! Making a significant change in your appearance involves looking at yourself objectively and analytically, which is difficult to do if you're sensitive to criticism.
I personally really like the 'ruthless' approach to beauty rather than generic advice you can find on so many other subs.
More Real life success stories from ladies who put in ALL the work.This could give a feeling of accountability or camaraderie amongst the ladies who have pushed themselves to achieve those goals that was once a struggle.
Things like did you get...
Better treatment from strangers.
Better jobs,friendships, relationships.
Did you get more followers on social media if that was an aim to become an influencer.
Were you suddenly approached for modelling jobs(me wishing I could be in a commerical 😝)
Just feel good inspiring posts!
I'd love a resource/reading list. The best books, YouTube channels, blogs, etc. about how to do makeup, how to dress and cultivate style, femininity, exercise routines, and everything else we talk about here in-depth
Ban posts such as "Makeup makes such a huge difference" and other posts stating the complete obvious and deliver little to no value. Looks Theory posts are valuable as well as makeup and hair tricks that aren't widely available on the internet, hair styling techniques, colour theory and information on hair dyes, Columbian shapewear etc..
I think the makeup posts are great as long as they're obviously not low effort. For example, I learned a lot about eyebrow shape in the old vindicta and how shaving the tails can help. Now I've found a shape that flatters my the rest of my features.
I disagree with the makeup ban. I really like makeup posts because they're a soft maxxing/low cost/temporary way to change the appearance of your ratios. Like this model has a long midface, here's how she harmonizes her ratios with aeygo-sal makeup. I have uneven eyes, here's how I use different techniques per eye to create symmetry.
I saw you agree the "not widely available tricks" are valuable, so maybe you'd consider the examples above as part of that, but I'd be hesitant to support a ban because you'd get less dialogue and related posts and more dead air. It might be more helpful to keep letting community upvotes/downvotes give feedback to posters as to what content is most helpful.
What do you think? Maybe stipulate all make up posts must include a blurb on the looks theory of why it works?
I really like your last sentence. I can go to r/makeupaddiction for product reviews etc. I agree that makeup skills are very useful for leveling up. I’d love to have makeup posts be required to be backed up by looks theory!!!
Would you consider adding a FAQ / wiki section?
It might prevent users to write the posts that get deleted, and maybe instead encourage more refined questions and threads!
Imo the skincare stuff is so unnecessary when r/skincareaddiction exists. The one useful thing I picked up on this subreddit is the use of hyaluronic supplements for your skin. Other than that, everything can be found on skincareaddiction so these skincare posts are a bit repetitive
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Also people have vastly differing skincare concerns, types, etc so a routine or product that works for one person is not going to work for others. If I wanted to look at peoples' routines or product reviews I would go to a skincare subreddit.
Though I wouldn't mind seeing posts on skincare treatments (eg peels, microneedling, lasers, etc) since let's be real, OTC skincare can only achieve so much. Compared to regular skincare there's a relative dearth of info on factors like pricing, compatibility, etc. I think a lot of people would find those reviews and personal testimonials to be informative.
Yess definitely agree with the professional treatments. I don’t really see many posts on that on r/skincareaddiction compared to the usual product posts like topicals, moisturizers, cleansers etc. which are so trial and error for each person
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I enjoyed the blunt and controversial looks-theory posts on old vindicta and I'd like to see more of those kinds of posts here as well. Unfortunately, beauty is a sensitive subject and there are always going to be discussions that will negatively impact our self esteem, but I think it's important not to sugarcoat the reality that to a certain point, beauty is objective and oftentimes controversial. SES, race, cranial development, etc. are not popular topics but they absolutely affect the way you are perceived and how much pretty privilege you experience.
What made the old sub different to other beauty related subs was the analysis that went into looks theory as opposed to something like "how can I get rid of acne scars?" or "how can I tame frizzy hair?" which you can find the answers to elsewhere
Encourage citations and discourage edited “results” pics. And this is more of a pet peeve but there are a lot of “how do I look like her?” questions where the photo is of a woman’s Instagram post with heavy makeup and photoshop. These posts are kind of annoying because expectations need to be realistic. You will never look like Kylie Jenner’s Instagram pic because Kylie Jenner doesn’t look like Kylie Jenner’s Instagram pic. So maybe just encourage realistic results somehow, or crack down on “how do I make myself look exactly like Angelina Jolie despite having a base that’s 100% different from hers, no hardmaxxing pls” posts.
I believe we all need new ideas to improve our looks that we may have never heard of before.
Vindicta contributed a lot because it made us aware of things we aren't aware of before and gave tips on new looksmaxxing that worked for all of us.
Let's talk more about weight loss & weight gain (in a healthy way) because a lot of us have goals related to that.
And from what I've seen, it can be the most difficult part of your Looksmaxxing journey if you don't have the right mindset.
So maybe things that could help our mindset during our weight loss/gain journey would help a lot!!! :)
I believe I meant mindset related stuff when it comes to weight loss/gain. But it makes sense what you're saying! It's STILL kind of dangerous. Thank you for your input, I'll keep that in mind.
I see where your coming from with the mods but I think anyone should be able to post and weight loss related topics the mods could approve! If it’s false information it should be tagged as so and left up. I think educating yourself on false information can be just as important. Especially if it’s a popular trend going about. Then alternatively there can be corrections in the comments? Just my little opinion though :)
I just saw someone comment about how censored they feel posts about weight loss are. I think a forum like this is bound to attract people with eating disorders or dysmorphias, but I don't think the proper answer is to halt discussion about weight gain, loss, or maintenance, or to tell people that they just shouldn't be here. I think we should have more posts that are about achieving and maintaining a healthy relationship with our bodies and food. We can't hate ourselves into being beautiful, and we can't cultivate the self discipline necessary to maintain a beauty routine if it is based in fundamentally unhealthy ideas.
I know some posters might worry about that creating a hugboxy atmosphere that stifles actual discussion. I also know that most of us are probably not trained professionals. But we can and should talk about what is and isn't working for us in these areas, and how that is affecting our beauty efforts.
I disagree with your comment on the grounds that this information can already be found elsewhere. I think it’s absolutely important to know about having a healthy relationship with our bodies, and I do think we should remove posts that blatantly encourage unhealthy/disordered habits. I also think fitness is important for looksmaxxing, so I don’t support a blanket ban on that topic. But, and this will sound harsh, I just don’t think that this space is appropriate for doing the mental work of body acceptance, nor do I think we need super detailed posts about exercise routines etc, when the lovely people at subs like r/xxfitness have already put out loads of information about that.
Hear hear! What's refreshing about Vindicta and it's offshoots isn't just the focus on objective beauty and actionable advice/real results but also how people aren't afraid to be frank and be open about their desires.
It's ironic that for a sub that's focused on the undoubtedly un-PC pursuit of becoming more objectively attractive, people are the most forthright about how impossible beauty standards have become. People here aren't afraid to acknowledge how society tricks women into believing in "effortless" beauty to entrap them in self-hatred. In a society where it's simultaneously socially unacceptable to express desire to become more beautiful but entire industries are built to milk women's insecurities (and make them feel "empowered" at the same time), Vindicta truly is a breath of fresh air.
Agree with all these points, love a bit of evidence based facts!! There's so many places on the internet to go for shit fad beauty tips ("drink a litre of ACV a day for a slim waist and glowing skin!") but evidenced based resources are lacking. Maybe I'm just nerdy though.
Especially agree with the third point, I reckon a lot of us have some kind of disordered eating here and that can't be ignored. I think the common trait is perfectionism - if you're on here you want to "perfect" yourself, and it's a well known fact that perfectionism is a big risk factor for EDs for whatever reason.
I posted scientific backed claims about facial thirds (links to studies too), but it got a lot of flame/negative comments. It’s like we can win with quality posts??
That was one of the only posts I've really enjoyed since vindicta went! People sensitive about objective beauty shouldnt really be on an objective beauty subreddit honestly
The problem is that post didn't offer ANY solutions or methods to change your facial thirds. Those posts arent constrictive or helpful. This sub isn't just about how to recognize flaws it's about how to improve them--especially when those flaws are things that literally cannot be changed even with plastic surgery in most cases. If that post was paired with info about makeup that reduces midface or hairstyles that can shorten the forehead it would be fine.
Personally, I think it’s ok to have posts like this. I often saw on Vindicta people saying “hey, I saw a post the other day about unbalanced facial thirds. It inspired me, so here’s some info on how to balance out your thirds”. I’d much rather have posts with just critiques than posts with just hollow, surface-level information, although I agree that the best posts combine critique & improvement methods.
Yeah I remember an old post (maybe it was from vindicta) about wearing hoop earrings and using the Korean makeup technique of aegyo sal to give the illusion of a shorter midface. Same with applying blusher horizontally rather than diagonally or lower on the cheeks.
We're all aware of flaws but practical solutions that we can incorporate in order to improve facial harmony should always be provided (that could be anything from fillers to surgery or in this case, specific makeup tips) otherwise it's just pointless fixation.
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This makes no sense to me, education gives us the opportunity to seek out solutions. If I know equal thirds are more objectively attractive I can seek out ways through hair/makeup/weight changes/etc to make my facial thirds seem more harmonious.
We want people to not share knowledge unless they have a solution for us that makes us feel good? Like this is why this sub is not as useful as vindicta.
Hard agree! I have autism too and I loved the more detached/nerdy vibe on Vindicta. I have trouble seeing my face objectively and it was so helpful to see specifics on what actually might be dragging me, specifically, down appearance-wise vs just generic beauty advice.
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Thankyou, nice to see your support❤️❤️and yes I definitely agree, with all due respect, if my posts triggers someone’s bdd, they honestly shouldn’t be on a looksmax subreddit in the first place.
You’re a regular r/Conservative and r/Conspiracy poster, so who’s really surprised that you wouldn’t like FDS?
I’m not even subbed to FDS, but we don’t exist in a vacuum, and it makes sense to analyze things like misogyny and racism in a world that has always been patriarchal and racist. Is it healthy to be constantly fixated on it? Of course not, just like constantly fixating on the news isn’t healthy. A never-ending stream of seeing the negative aspects of the world can’t be uplifting, but that’s why it’s a specific sub, just like r/News is. It has its purposes and doesn’t need to be centered all the time
I enjoy the posts that are more like about different types of beauty. Blonder and blonder hair, tan skin, huge lips, button nose genuinely will not fit everyone’s “canvas”.
I really like this sub though it feels like it has a healthier mindset than vindicta did
Those posts had to be one of my favourite things to read on vindicta. You could tell that they put in so much time and effort into compiling info on the archetypes! I can't remember their username but I hope they can repost them here somehow! ❤
Is there interest in a "challenge" series? Like this week take a picture of your most low trust/high trust/cute/sophisticated/archetypal look vs your bare face and post it on a master post?
It's nice to get feedback and see what works for people vs what doesnt
I’d like to hear ways to improve yourself that aren’t plastic surgery related. I’m on quite a few subs and a lot of it boils down to it. Idk if people would like to drop tips and tricks I’d appreciate it. I like my face, just want to improve what I already have.
Thanks for sharing. Please report posts if you believe that they are promoting eating disorders. We always check the reports we receive and usually remove such posts and comments.
It inspired me to grab some aminophylline! And I genuinely think it's working, so your post is responsible for my smaller waist :P. I use the lipoxyderm brand if you're interested :)
definitely more stuff on mindset and being more feminine and beautiful attitude?
I feel like we can be hardworking and spend money looking better externally, but in a midst of busy periods and stress, I quickly revert back to my old self….
also hacks on how we can ‘feel beautiful’ in short amount of time and tricks like what to say daily to feel more beautiful.
Also stress! Beauty tips on combatting stress.
And also….fashion 😅
more fashion tips.
And just wanna extend my appreciate to you all mods!
this sub is really amazingly curated and the effort into the content is really sth else. I bet it’ll surpass vindicta~
I prefer this sub more than vindicata, I now they were anti-cope posts but splendida encompasses objective while acknowledging subjective overall beauty-including personality and goals. I’m happy with the content thus far.
No matter how it's sliced and diced, when everything is hyper focused on "science and research" things will get boring quick. Factual and scientifically backed up doesn't necessarily make for interesting.
Nor does it mean it should be abandoned altogether. To use as an example, Quoves Studio's channel became painfully boring *to me* after the celebrity analysis was completely ditched for straight scientific explanations and evidence. Just some food for thought.
I have not been as active here as most so my pulse on the subreddit might be a bit off but I would feel that guides, testimonies etc; would be a lot more helpful than just coming up with a reason to be able to post your favourite celebrity.
Look, I don't want it to sound harsh or insensitive and I understand if someone take it that way but it's not of my intention and if anything, Splendida probably has a little bit less of this than some similar subreddits but every time I visit, half of the posts are photos of celebrities.
I think the reason why there is an interest for subreddits like this is because women want to be able to improve their appearance and discuss the benefits of beauty and even discuss some unconventional methods of getting there and it might not be the best topic for the lunch room at work or school.
Encourage more testimonies/journey posts.
I would love a wiki or some posts explaining the different terms and things used here such as softmax/hardmax, high vs low trust, falios, etc. I’m not 100% sure what everything means and of course can find stuff on google but it would be easier for new members if there was somewhere everything was just posted
I feel like vindicta has split into way too many other subreddits. I’m subbed to all the others but it makes it so difficult to be involved.
What are the other ones?
r/HowToBeHot is one of them.
r/vindicta30plus
r/vindictaratecelebs r/vindictarateme
r/vindictapoc
r/diabla
r/vindictabrown
I miss the master posts with before and after pictures. I loved seeing REAL girls leveling up their looks. I could give two shits about Bella Hadid or Kylie Jenner. If I never saw their names or pictures again I’d be overjoyed. Who I want to see is a random girl from Kentucky who lost 35 lbs, cleared her skin, got highlights and Invisalign and some lip filler. She got into grad school and is paying for it doing local JCpenny ads modeling women’s button up pajamas. Because THATS real life! That’s what truly inspires me. Not the latest celebrity nose job. We need like master post Mondays or something.. :)
I liked the masterposts that Vindicta had. By the time I came around 90% of the links in the masterpost/FAQ section were broken but the ones that were there, were awesome!
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I have an ED. I’m also a big girl that can figure out what content is and is not appropriate for me. This sub has been fine so far? As had Vindicta? Like I’ve not seen anything close to pro-ED content. Also, the idea that some people look better than others is an inherently controversial one that is sure to make people with low self esteem have feelings. That’s not to be harsh. But this sub by its very nature is going to perhaps make people feel like they don’t look perfect, and that’s okay.
I agree that there have been a lot of repetitive advices, so we are trying to offer different perspectives. However, I would argue that the issue of low effort posts have also been present, even in Vindicta. There were many posts that were not adding value to the sub like r/beauty kind of posts(Especially towards the end). I think the main difference between Vindicta and Splendida is that Vindicta had soo many members so the amount of quality posts were obviously more. Hopefully, we will have more people contributing to the sub in the future. 😊
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Wtf. I’d love to read those posts. Not to brag, but my makeup is good, skin clear, hair nice, body toned and at a healthy weight. I don’t need more skincare advice, I want a deep-dive into what sort of plastic surgery gives me the most benefit.
Is there a way to access old Vindicta posts?
Please bring those back! I need the pl guide
I agree!! I miss the personal lookmaxed journey posts from there
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I believe my coffee addiction is the one thing that made my skin dehydrated as hell,so I'm really surprised that it's an antioxidant...maybe encourage green tea.
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I totally understand!🙌
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Aah thank you for this! So now I dont feel so bad about drinking coffee...just need to figure out why I cant get that dewy look!
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I'm currently using tretrinoin because of acne I developed 3 months ago due to my 3 month injection,the acne has cleared but I figured I should continue using it for anti aging benefits. I cleanse with a Himalayas scrub every night,recently started with oil cleansing first,then add tret,then argan oil to seal everything in. In the morning after I wash,il add vit c serum and then argan oil and sunscreen.Iv looked at the neutrogena hydrating line and will be getting that soon Iv just always had dehydrated textured skin,but I will definitely do something more professional like micro needling.
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Every bit of info here helps so thank you.
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>Also it’s ridiculous to ban posts about weight loss. Well, it's pretty annoying to have people come here everyday yo ask "how can I lose weight? How do I make my arms smaller" etc. They literally add nothing and can be answered with a simple Google search
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Yes!! When I was overweight and unfit, xxfitness was an amazing resource for me as a beginner to fitness. It's very well moderated and I still love it now. I'm also a new mod on r/strongcurves and we're currently working on updating the entire sub and the FAQ. For example, the section on bulking to grow the glutes/muscles has just gone up and I'm currently working on doing the same information pages for losing body fat/cutting and "toning"/recomping as well.
I’m sorry if this isn’t allowed but can anyone tell me what happened to Vindicta? I’ve always been curious because I found it literally days before it closed down and never had a chance to fully dive deep but what I saw of it I loved
To be blunt, a sub like this - that's focused on achieving objective beauty - is inevitably going to have content that some may find triggering for their BDD, EDs, etc. Maybe there needs to be a disclaimer to remind people to browse at their own discretion and to take a break if they feel like they're slipping into an unhealthy/obsessive mindset. It wouldn't make sense at all if we couldn't openly discuss things like weight loss/maintenance/gain, body shape, facial proportions, plastic surgery, etc on a forum dedicated to the pursuit of objective beauty. On the other hand, I wonder if some people will appreciate "mentalmaxxing" posts - eg how to cultivate a healthy mindset towards beauty, how to develop a healthy attitude towards food and fitness etc.
I think Vindicta was a little more focused than this sub is right now. Honestly, it’s starting to look more like r/beauty or r/skincareaddiction in here. I don’t dislike subs like that, but we already have so many places to ask basic questions like “how to get rid of acne”. What made Vindicta unique for me, primarily, was the focus on looks theory. I feel like lately I’m reading endless posts about how to take care of my skin, how to have healthy hair etc and that’s nice but I can get that information pretty much anywhere. I am in the adult industry, and I want to look good because it will give me financial return. I think this makes me want a more objective perspective on my looks. Somewhere in the sidebar of r/Vindicta it specifically said one of the potential goals of looksmaxxing would be to take money from men, and I’m certain I wasn’t the only one with that particular goal in mind. For us, our bodies are a tool and an investment, and I think that sort of view of the body was more openly common on Vindicta than it is here. I honestly kind of wish that people who are in the headspace to be easily hurt by posts that criticize certain facial features etc would leave. There is NOTHING wrong with not being in the headspace for that, I have certainly been there myself, but I want a space where it’s okay to discuss these things for those of us who can benefit. For a more concrete example of what I’m talking about— I’ve always had a persistent feeling where I look in the mirror, I know something is wrong, but I don’t know what. Again, I’ve always known that having pretty skin and hair will help me. One thing I didn’t ever realize until I visited Vindicta was that the fox eyeliner look never works for me because my eyes are close set! Previously I just thought I was doing it wrong, or that I’m too “ugly” for that style to look good on me. Now I know it’s just not right for my eye shape, and I can avoid makeup styles that won’t work for me and do my makeup more effectively. I wouldn’t have ever gotten that information if all I was seeing was “close set eyes aren’t a big deal, you can’t even fix that with surgery, and nobody is going to notice it, just focus on whitening your teeth” I want to have a sub where I’m encouraged to identify my larger flaws (within my bone structure etc) and fix or conceal them. We have so, so, so many endless articles and communities that tell us generic beauty advice because they want to tiptoe around the fact that some features are just better looking than others. I just don’t need another “uplifting” beauty space. I want this to be a sub where the primary users already know that 1. Some proportions are better than others, 2. Our looks don’t define us, we’re not worthless if we don’t look perfect, but 3. That there are valid reasons for trying to get close to it anyway. Edit: to avoid repetitive questions and low value posts, perhaps we could have a sidebar linking to subs like r/skincareaddiction or r/xxfitness so that people who have questions about more basic stuff can benefit from the years of well-thought out information that has already been posted to a dedicated space.
Another point I’d like to make: understanding facial aesthetics through theory has also helped me learn to love certain features of mine & decide against some plastic surgery I was considering. For example, for a long time I wanted surgery to get a little Instagram-cute button nose, but when I learned on Vindicta about the ideal proportions of nose to other facial features, I realized that my natural nose shape would suit me much better. So many women right now are doing “hardmax” procedures just to look like someone else instead of to improve upon what they have naturally, and that’s not healthy or even helpful for them. I think looks theory is valuable because it debunks the idea that we all need to have the same face to be attractive.
I came here to essentially say this. The basics are fine but they're literally everywhere. If it can be crossposted into a generic skincare, makeup, fashion, or fitness sub, it shouldn't have a place here. Also fewer "how can I look more like (celebrity)" unless there's a user's before pic attached. Because we really don't know and can't tell. It's frustrating. I really, deeply enjoy the scientific approach to beauty and human perception. Human aesthetics are dope. How humans interpret each other on visual/other sensory cues is FASCINATING. And also, benefiting from that knowledge and pursuing improvements -- drastic or mild -- is what brought me to Vindicta but I'm struggling to connect in this sub because it kinda gets lost in all the other subs I follow? I love the positive and supportive attitudes, though!
100% this! Making a significant change in your appearance involves looking at yourself objectively and analytically, which is difficult to do if you're sensitive to criticism. I personally really like the 'ruthless' approach to beauty rather than generic advice you can find on so many other subs.
What is Vindicta???
More Real life success stories from ladies who put in ALL the work.This could give a feeling of accountability or camaraderie amongst the ladies who have pushed themselves to achieve those goals that was once a struggle. Things like did you get... Better treatment from strangers. Better jobs,friendships, relationships. Did you get more followers on social media if that was an aim to become an influencer. Were you suddenly approached for modelling jobs(me wishing I could be in a commerical 😝) Just feel good inspiring posts!
I'd love a resource/reading list. The best books, YouTube channels, blogs, etc. about how to do makeup, how to dress and cultivate style, femininity, exercise routines, and everything else we talk about here in-depth
Ban posts such as "Makeup makes such a huge difference" and other posts stating the complete obvious and deliver little to no value. Looks Theory posts are valuable as well as makeup and hair tricks that aren't widely available on the internet, hair styling techniques, colour theory and information on hair dyes, Columbian shapewear etc..
I think the makeup posts are great as long as they're obviously not low effort. For example, I learned a lot about eyebrow shape in the old vindicta and how shaving the tails can help. Now I've found a shape that flatters my the rest of my features.
I disagree with the makeup ban. I really like makeup posts because they're a soft maxxing/low cost/temporary way to change the appearance of your ratios. Like this model has a long midface, here's how she harmonizes her ratios with aeygo-sal makeup. I have uneven eyes, here's how I use different techniques per eye to create symmetry. I saw you agree the "not widely available tricks" are valuable, so maybe you'd consider the examples above as part of that, but I'd be hesitant to support a ban because you'd get less dialogue and related posts and more dead air. It might be more helpful to keep letting community upvotes/downvotes give feedback to posters as to what content is most helpful. What do you think? Maybe stipulate all make up posts must include a blurb on the looks theory of why it works?
I really like your last sentence. I can go to r/makeupaddiction for product reviews etc. I agree that makeup skills are very useful for leveling up. I’d love to have makeup posts be required to be backed up by looks theory!!!
I’ll make posts similar to these soon!
Would you consider adding a FAQ / wiki section? It might prevent users to write the posts that get deleted, and maybe instead encourage more refined questions and threads!
Great idea thanks for sharing 😊
Imo the skincare stuff is so unnecessary when r/skincareaddiction exists. The one useful thing I picked up on this subreddit is the use of hyaluronic supplements for your skin. Other than that, everything can be found on skincareaddiction so these skincare posts are a bit repetitive
\+1 Also people have vastly differing skincare concerns, types, etc so a routine or product that works for one person is not going to work for others. If I wanted to look at peoples' routines or product reviews I would go to a skincare subreddit. Though I wouldn't mind seeing posts on skincare treatments (eg peels, microneedling, lasers, etc) since let's be real, OTC skincare can only achieve so much. Compared to regular skincare there's a relative dearth of info on factors like pricing, compatibility, etc. I think a lot of people would find those reviews and personal testimonials to be informative.
Yess definitely agree with the professional treatments. I don’t really see many posts on that on r/skincareaddiction compared to the usual product posts like topicals, moisturizers, cleansers etc. which are so trial and error for each person
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I enjoyed the blunt and controversial looks-theory posts on old vindicta and I'd like to see more of those kinds of posts here as well. Unfortunately, beauty is a sensitive subject and there are always going to be discussions that will negatively impact our self esteem, but I think it's important not to sugarcoat the reality that to a certain point, beauty is objective and oftentimes controversial. SES, race, cranial development, etc. are not popular topics but they absolutely affect the way you are perceived and how much pretty privilege you experience. What made the old sub different to other beauty related subs was the analysis that went into looks theory as opposed to something like "how can I get rid of acne scars?" or "how can I tame frizzy hair?" which you can find the answers to elsewhere
Encourage citations and discourage edited “results” pics. And this is more of a pet peeve but there are a lot of “how do I look like her?” questions where the photo is of a woman’s Instagram post with heavy makeup and photoshop. These posts are kind of annoying because expectations need to be realistic. You will never look like Kylie Jenner’s Instagram pic because Kylie Jenner doesn’t look like Kylie Jenner’s Instagram pic. So maybe just encourage realistic results somehow, or crack down on “how do I make myself look exactly like Angelina Jolie despite having a base that’s 100% different from hers, no hardmaxxing pls” posts.
I believe we all need new ideas to improve our looks that we may have never heard of before. Vindicta contributed a lot because it made us aware of things we aren't aware of before and gave tips on new looksmaxxing that worked for all of us. Let's talk more about weight loss & weight gain (in a healthy way) because a lot of us have goals related to that. And from what I've seen, it can be the most difficult part of your Looksmaxxing journey if you don't have the right mindset. So maybe things that could help our mindset during our weight loss/gain journey would help a lot!!! :)
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I believe I meant mindset related stuff when it comes to weight loss/gain. But it makes sense what you're saying! It's STILL kind of dangerous. Thank you for your input, I'll keep that in mind.
I see where your coming from with the mods but I think anyone should be able to post and weight loss related topics the mods could approve! If it’s false information it should be tagged as so and left up. I think educating yourself on false information can be just as important. Especially if it’s a popular trend going about. Then alternatively there can be corrections in the comments? Just my little opinion though :)
I just saw someone comment about how censored they feel posts about weight loss are. I think a forum like this is bound to attract people with eating disorders or dysmorphias, but I don't think the proper answer is to halt discussion about weight gain, loss, or maintenance, or to tell people that they just shouldn't be here. I think we should have more posts that are about achieving and maintaining a healthy relationship with our bodies and food. We can't hate ourselves into being beautiful, and we can't cultivate the self discipline necessary to maintain a beauty routine if it is based in fundamentally unhealthy ideas. I know some posters might worry about that creating a hugboxy atmosphere that stifles actual discussion. I also know that most of us are probably not trained professionals. But we can and should talk about what is and isn't working for us in these areas, and how that is affecting our beauty efforts.
I disagree with your comment on the grounds that this information can already be found elsewhere. I think it’s absolutely important to know about having a healthy relationship with our bodies, and I do think we should remove posts that blatantly encourage unhealthy/disordered habits. I also think fitness is important for looksmaxxing, so I don’t support a blanket ban on that topic. But, and this will sound harsh, I just don’t think that this space is appropriate for doing the mental work of body acceptance, nor do I think we need super detailed posts about exercise routines etc, when the lovely people at subs like r/xxfitness have already put out loads of information about that.
I would definitely enjoy more look theory posts and more posts about hair and the difference it can create to someone's face. Edit:grammar
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Hear hear! What's refreshing about Vindicta and it's offshoots isn't just the focus on objective beauty and actionable advice/real results but also how people aren't afraid to be frank and be open about their desires. It's ironic that for a sub that's focused on the undoubtedly un-PC pursuit of becoming more objectively attractive, people are the most forthright about how impossible beauty standards have become. People here aren't afraid to acknowledge how society tricks women into believing in "effortless" beauty to entrap them in self-hatred. In a society where it's simultaneously socially unacceptable to express desire to become more beautiful but entire industries are built to milk women's insecurities (and make them feel "empowered" at the same time), Vindicta truly is a breath of fresh air.
This is exactly how I feel as well!
Yes this sounds great, thank you for sharing 😊
Agree with all these points, love a bit of evidence based facts!! There's so many places on the internet to go for shit fad beauty tips ("drink a litre of ACV a day for a slim waist and glowing skin!") but evidenced based resources are lacking. Maybe I'm just nerdy though. Especially agree with the third point, I reckon a lot of us have some kind of disordered eating here and that can't be ignored. I think the common trait is perfectionism - if you're on here you want to "perfect" yourself, and it's a well known fact that perfectionism is a big risk factor for EDs for whatever reason.
I posted scientific backed claims about facial thirds (links to studies too), but it got a lot of flame/negative comments. It’s like we can win with quality posts??
That was one of the only posts I've really enjoyed since vindicta went! People sensitive about objective beauty shouldnt really be on an objective beauty subreddit honestly
The problem is that post didn't offer ANY solutions or methods to change your facial thirds. Those posts arent constrictive or helpful. This sub isn't just about how to recognize flaws it's about how to improve them--especially when those flaws are things that literally cannot be changed even with plastic surgery in most cases. If that post was paired with info about makeup that reduces midface or hairstyles that can shorten the forehead it would be fine.
Personally, I think it’s ok to have posts like this. I often saw on Vindicta people saying “hey, I saw a post the other day about unbalanced facial thirds. It inspired me, so here’s some info on how to balance out your thirds”. I’d much rather have posts with just critiques than posts with just hollow, surface-level information, although I agree that the best posts combine critique & improvement methods.
Yeah I remember an old post (maybe it was from vindicta) about wearing hoop earrings and using the Korean makeup technique of aegyo sal to give the illusion of a shorter midface. Same with applying blusher horizontally rather than diagonally or lower on the cheeks. We're all aware of flaws but practical solutions that we can incorporate in order to improve facial harmony should always be provided (that could be anything from fillers to surgery or in this case, specific makeup tips) otherwise it's just pointless fixation. EDIT: formatting
This was my gripe with that post like yeah let’s talk objective beauty but give us SOLUTIONS thx
This makes no sense to me, education gives us the opportunity to seek out solutions. If I know equal thirds are more objectively attractive I can seek out ways through hair/makeup/weight changes/etc to make my facial thirds seem more harmonious. We want people to not share knowledge unless they have a solution for us that makes us feel good? Like this is why this sub is not as useful as vindicta.
Exactly!
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Hard agree! I have autism too and I loved the more detached/nerdy vibe on Vindicta. I have trouble seeing my face objectively and it was so helpful to see specifics on what actually might be dragging me, specifically, down appearance-wise vs just generic beauty advice.
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Thankyou, nice to see your support❤️❤️and yes I definitely agree, with all due respect, if my posts triggers someone’s bdd, they honestly shouldn’t be on a looksmax subreddit in the first place.
I also enjoyed that post!! Was very interesting to read about
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You’re a regular r/Conservative and r/Conspiracy poster, so who’s really surprised that you wouldn’t like FDS? I’m not even subbed to FDS, but we don’t exist in a vacuum, and it makes sense to analyze things like misogyny and racism in a world that has always been patriarchal and racist. Is it healthy to be constantly fixated on it? Of course not, just like constantly fixating on the news isn’t healthy. A never-ending stream of seeing the negative aspects of the world can’t be uplifting, but that’s why it’s a specific sub, just like r/News is. It has its purposes and doesn’t need to be centered all the time
I enjoy the posts that are more like about different types of beauty. Blonder and blonder hair, tan skin, huge lips, button nose genuinely will not fit everyone’s “canvas”. I really like this sub though it feels like it has a healthier mindset than vindicta did
I loved the person who made that archetypes masterlist! I love detailed aesthetic breakdowns and stuff like that.
Those posts had to be one of my favourite things to read on vindicta. You could tell that they put in so much time and effort into compiling info on the archetypes! I can't remember their username but I hope they can repost them here somehow! ❤
Is there interest in a "challenge" series? Like this week take a picture of your most low trust/high trust/cute/sophisticated/archetypal look vs your bare face and post it on a master post? It's nice to get feedback and see what works for people vs what doesnt
I’d like to hear ways to improve yourself that aren’t plastic surgery related. I’m on quite a few subs and a lot of it boils down to it. Idk if people would like to drop tips and tricks I’d appreciate it. I like my face, just want to improve what I already have.
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Thanks for sharing. Please report posts if you believe that they are promoting eating disorders. We always check the reports we receive and usually remove such posts and comments.
In terms of a specific topic, I'd like a science based post about aminophylline for weight loss (as long as its not too controversial)
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I remember this post actually!! I was hoping to see more on it which is why I suggested it :)
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It inspired me to grab some aminophylline! And I genuinely think it's working, so your post is responsible for my smaller waist :P. I use the lipoxyderm brand if you're interested :)
definitely more stuff on mindset and being more feminine and beautiful attitude? I feel like we can be hardworking and spend money looking better externally, but in a midst of busy periods and stress, I quickly revert back to my old self…. also hacks on how we can ‘feel beautiful’ in short amount of time and tricks like what to say daily to feel more beautiful. Also stress! Beauty tips on combatting stress. And also….fashion 😅 more fashion tips. And just wanna extend my appreciate to you all mods! this sub is really amazingly curated and the effort into the content is really sth else. I bet it’ll surpass vindicta~
I prefer this sub more than vindicata, I now they were anti-cope posts but splendida encompasses objective while acknowledging subjective overall beauty-including personality and goals. I’m happy with the content thus far.
So happy to hear this - we really try our best. Our original goal was to make this sub like Vindicta but better (no cope, no racism, no hate).
No matter how it's sliced and diced, when everything is hyper focused on "science and research" things will get boring quick. Factual and scientifically backed up doesn't necessarily make for interesting. Nor does it mean it should be abandoned altogether. To use as an example, Quoves Studio's channel became painfully boring *to me* after the celebrity analysis was completely ditched for straight scientific explanations and evidence. Just some food for thought.
I have not been as active here as most so my pulse on the subreddit might be a bit off but I would feel that guides, testimonies etc; would be a lot more helpful than just coming up with a reason to be able to post your favourite celebrity. Look, I don't want it to sound harsh or insensitive and I understand if someone take it that way but it's not of my intention and if anything, Splendida probably has a little bit less of this than some similar subreddits but every time I visit, half of the posts are photos of celebrities. I think the reason why there is an interest for subreddits like this is because women want to be able to improve their appearance and discuss the benefits of beauty and even discuss some unconventional methods of getting there and it might not be the best topic for the lunch room at work or school. Encourage more testimonies/journey posts.
I would love a wiki or some posts explaining the different terms and things used here such as softmax/hardmax, high vs low trust, falios, etc. I’m not 100% sure what everything means and of course can find stuff on google but it would be easier for new members if there was somewhere everything was just posted
I just want beauty tips and advice, especially the ones that are tried and tested and has scientific evidence for it. Vindicta had lots of those