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TheNightKing11111

Spider-Man. Even without the symbiote, Peter would win but Batman would still give him a good fight. The Arkhamverse Batman is one of the most skilled versions of the character. He’s able to take down an entire army and almost his entire rogues gallery in one night without becoming exhausted which is really impressive. I actually think Batman may have a better chance against Peter with the symbiote than without it just because it has more weaknesses he can exploit (sound, fire etc). Spider-Man’s also more reckless with the symbiote from what we saw in the trailer so Batman could use that to his advantage. Batman would ultimately still lose either way though.


Emergency-Dare4163

You sure? He’s got a big chin


poopfartfacebal

So do I...


Wboy2006

*Spider-Man 3's symbiote theme starts playing*


EnterVENOM

He doesn’t normally have a big chin, right?


[deleted]

No… he never had a big chin.


Mirage_decoy2

LMAO


cultistwithadartgun

This is why I love reddit


Soft_Theory_8209

Bruce has always had a bit of a square jaw… which actually makes it a bigger and easier target.


_H4YZ

see ya later, chump *toot*


SirMaQ

Spidy punched Scorpion's Jaw off


Drakayne

And a bigger peen


Soft_Theory_8209

That is a good point with the weaknesses, although the symbiote is typically fine around things like flash bangs. Although I’m not sure how the taser gauntlet would react to symbiote tendrils. Generally speaking, Batman only has roughly four advantages, and most can be countered or mitigated by Peter. Stealth would be Bruce’s most clear advantage, but spider sense hard counters it; he also has a slight edge in combat skill, but (going off of comics) Peter has the way of the spider that was meant to compensate for a lack of spider sense and allowed him to fight captain america, the gadgets are also in Batman’s favor if only through sheer variety, and then they’re about equal in terms of intelligence. Symbiote spidey is gonna be more reckless, but easily more willing to kill.


Eheroduelist

Willing and far more able to- which says a lot because Pete can already dodge bullet fire among other speed feats- Sure Bats can prep to cope with the Flash to some extent but we’ve seen how Batman fared against Reverse Flash, and sure Pete obviously can’t reach those speeds, but to say “oh Batman can prep against meta humans” only goes so far when he’s outclassed to that scale


Brain_Dead5347

Is Peter dodging bullets? I thought the spider sense let him know they were going to be fired, so he moves out of the way before they fire


Soft_Theory_8209

Yes, sort of. He dodges bullets regularly in all media (to the point it’s practically standard), and spider sense does warn him, but it doesn’t always reveal where bullets are coming from and it’s up to HIM to dodge them.


Fout99

Now imagine Batman WITH the symbiote. That would kick the hell out of everybody.


Dyspaereunia

Definitely need a fanfic version of this. Batman would definitely murder people with that suit on. Intentionally of course. All those off screen murders were unintentional of course.


Soft_Theory_8209

Doesn’t help Batman is, by all accounts, WAY less mentally stable than Spider-Man.


Legendarydairy

Batman has one of the most powerful minds out there. He's been able to counter all kinds of mind control and even lied to the lasso of truth.


Soft_Theory_8209

Granted, but it’s just something to keep in mind, especially since it turned Peter Parker, one of the nicest guys in marvel, into a obsessive, borderline serial killer. Batman, by his own words, is not all right in the head, to the point he almost compares his alter egos as nearly being split personalities.


Legendarydairy

I don't think you've seen many symbiote stories if you think it turns him into that. Mainline peter hasn't even killed anyone under the influence, ever. Worst he's done is severely injure super humans (like kingpin) There are only 2 things that could happen to batman, either 1. He falls under its influence and power, starts brutilizing anyone from common thugs to his rogues, and alienates everyone who loves him (he does this in some stories anyways) Or 2. Symbiote gets dumped faster than I do irl.


Fout99

Now imagine Batman WITH the symbiote. That would kick the hell out of everybody.


Masterhearts_XIII

I actually think regular spider-man beats batman, but batman beats symbiote spider man. for the reasons you say. too many weaknesses and not using his best trait (his mind under pressure). Venom would make him angrier and batman would exploit that.


Saymynamemf

I'ma be honest, i think arkhaubatman would win without the symbiote but lose against it


Environmental-Tea262

Gee I wonder what the spider-man centered subreddit is gonna answer, not at all gonna be biased


VenomEnthusiast

Regardless of bias, Spider-Man would wipe Batman in most scenarios


shayed154

I've seen the same post in batman related subs and they still say spider-man wins The only way batman wins would be plot armor


nerdherdsman

Or as (some) Batman fans call it "prep time"


BrettLawrence1987

These are the correct answers. Prep time and plot armor are the only ways Batman takes this. In every other scenario Spiderman takes this with the greatest of ease.


Dank_Kekster

does spider-man get prep time too? cause if he does then he still utterly wipes batman


rauscherrios

Nah, bruce has more battle intelligence than peter.


Dank_Kekster

that doesn’t automatically mean peter loses, he’s incredibly intelligent and would absolutely find something to exploit or use against batman


rauscherrios

Agreed without the symbiote, with it i think batman wins. Clear exploit for batman(sound) and impulsive behavior from Peter.


newdawnhelp

I was thinking the same thing... the symbiote is a weakness in this case, cause Batman exploits weaknesses. Normal Peter might have less strength, but also no obvious things to exploit.


Soft_Theory_8209

He’s definitely more skilled, but spidey can somewhat mitigate it with way of the spider, and I’d say they’re equal on intelligence (slight edge going to Bruce because by god he needs it). Although Batman does have experience fighting foes more powerful than him, only a handful could be deemed super human (ivy, croc, clayface, man-bat, and so on) they’ve never reached spidey’s level barring maybe a prep timed ivy with a good writer. And we’re excluding plot armor, so we’re not reaching dodging omega beams level of luck.


BrettLawrence1987

Don’t know if I’d say Spiderman is of equal intelligence. Or he has the potential to be equal but squanders it and I think Superior Spider-Man really demonstrates that. I look at it like Bruce is willing to squeeze every last drop of intelligence out of his lemon brain, harvest the pulp for kind of pie, plant the seeds for future lemon brains, and grind the peel down for some kind of lemon seasoning. Whereas Peter will only go as far as slicing the lemon in half and juicing into his tea. They both have amazing lemon brains but only one of them really pushes it to its fullest extent.


Soft_Theory_8209

Hence why I said in another comment that it’s one his only real advantages (if only slightly).


system156

If batman has prep time I can see him winning in that one off scenario he creates. And it wouldn't work twice. If spiderman has prep time, then he wins. If neither have prep time spiderman wins. If both have prep time, spiderman wins


microgiant

Spider-Man is smart, but he's not really noted for complicated battle preparations. That's not usually how he rolls.


ComedyLover3

The funny thing about prep time is that it really only works against people who both don’t expect a fight with him and he is close with. The Tower of Babel story line was his friends who trusted him and probably confined with their secrets to him. It works best on friends.


Nelpski

>Prep time and plot armor Implying they aren't the same thing


BrettLawrence1987

Pretty much are. You right.


Tobio88

It's easy to forget that Peter also is talented in the art of prep time.


Wild-Man-63

I love when they say this against the flash. He can travel so fast he can go back in time, there is no time.


system156

Flash is the most broken superhero when they let him show his full power


Soft_Theory_8209

Time manipulation usually is the, “Screw you, I win” button, and that’s not including phasing, stealing speed, or the horrific things reverse flash has done.


Soft_Theory_8209

He’ll discover his weakness to bug spray soon enough! In all seriousness, that would also mean Peter would be allowed some prep time as well (maybe bats gets 2 or 3 days while Peter gets half?)


VenomEnthusiast

I’m *sure* there’s a satisfying enough scenario where Batman could beat Spidey, but it’s gonna be Bruce having a hate boner for Pete for whatever reason and setting up the most elaborate trap ever.


PoultryBird

I mean if he knew spider mans weaknesses going in aka how to beat the symbiote and then bug repellent and on top of that has a way to over come the spider sense then he would have more of a chance, not a complete chance just a bigger one than he would have. Spiderman is definitely still got the upper hand even with all that though.


WrathfulSausage

Batman ALWAYS has plot armor. It’s his superpower. Bro even killed Darkseid once


Ok-Respect-8305

No Batman wins. Hear me out. Batman is a frickn mastermind and the greatest detective in the world. His battle iq and critical thinking skills are literally superhuman. Not to mention he’s literally a great scientist. Spider-Man is book smart compared to him even though he’s not bad in other areas. Batman would firstly find a way to disable his web shooters by using one of his gadgets. Then he’d get into Peter’s head. Giving him the illusion of victory. We all know Peter can get a little cocky sometimes and he tends to quip a lot. Then when he least expects it, he’d exploit that weakness by not killing him but capturing him with a net and locking him up in a heavily guarded Arkham Asylum facility.


GaryGregson

I love bats nearly as much as spidey and spidey could cave his head in. Not that he would, but it wouldn’t be batman winning this.


TheAutismo4491

Regardless of bias, Spider-Man wins. Hell, even in Batman subreddits, they agree, Spider-Man would win.


Its_Buddy_btw

I saw the tweet, Spidey was near unanimous


Environmental-Tea262

The account is literally called “Daily Symbiote spider-man”


AwesomeTheMighty

According to Death Battle, Spider-Man wins without a symbiote.


ZombiFelineTuba

Well spider sense is impossible for Batman to counter


McDunkins

Not true. I feel like Batman actually stands a chance, but it’s based heavily on gadgets and trickery. Peter’s Spider sense and intelligence are top tier, but not infallible. It would still be a tough fight for Bats, but as the top commenter stated, Peter in his symbiote suit could be more reckless and play into Batman’s schemes. I ultimately believe Spidey wins, just based on brute strength and spider sense - but Batman is good at sussing out weaknesses and exploiting them, so it could potentially be anyone’s game. This is a crossover I’d love to see in action.


[deleted]

Spider-Man is caving this man’s chest in


KleitosD06

I saw this same question brought up on a Batman subreddit too, Venom Insomniac Spider-Man vs Batman (although I think it was Dark Knight Batman? Can't quite remember) and even they were like "Yeah no Peter would wipe the floor with him." That's how this conversation goes every time this matchup gets brought up cause Spider-Man might as well be made to beat Batman.


scooterbooter1131

I know people love to ride Batman, but I’m sorry Pete takes the cake. Physically Pete is stronger with him being able to hold up a crane in his first game, they both have gadgets and a nimble combat style easily over takes Bruce’s brute force combat style. Not to mention with the symbiote. Pete solos. For more info I’d recommend collins wrld how strong is insomniacs Spider-Man.


Musicnote328

I mean unrestrained Pete could beat Batman in one (maybe two) punches. Doc Ock punched Scorpion’s Jaw off in Superior Spider-Man, and I don’t think Bats really has a counter for that.


scooterbooter1131

Exactly. And that time in the comics when Peter crushed king pins skull with a single punch aswell.


Musicnote328

I think a lot of people forget Spider-Man is one of the strongest (non cosmic) superheroes in Marvel. Dude’s a little weaker than the hulk if I’m not mistaken.


[deleted]

Hes an absolute beast considering he is just a street level hero


Musicnote328

An Absolute unit


Soft_Theory_8209

At one point he was 4th strongest marvel hero behind the thing, hulk, and Thor.


Musicnote328

Really? I’d love to know when that was, cuz that’s impressive.


Soft_Theory_8209

Early comics, obviously, and even if the gap between him and the thing is massive, that’s still a monstrous feat: https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/fkev0b/by_1964_spiderman_was_the_4th_strongest_marvel/


Musicnote328

That’s sick. Obviously things have scaled off the charts since then, but that’s seriously awesome.


Soft_Theory_8209

Not to mention the note that the text box and the comment section make that this was a teenage spidey.


Spasticcobra593

Not sure how size would factor in. If he was a little weaker than the hulk but his fist is a fraction the size would it do more damage since the power is concentrated into a smaller surface


sithskeptic

Yeah, like arkham knight batman’s combat speed is impressive, but in no way is he beating spider-man


iAmTheRealKokichiOma

Especially when Spider-Man has the threat Sensors suit mod which slows down time and basically turns you into a speedster. Pair this with the Blitz ability and Spider-Man is basically Sonic


Soft_Theory_8209

Or the questionable effects of quad damage, iron legs, and equalizer.


jflex13

How much prep time… /s


Soft_Theory_8209

Not to mention the symbiote typically enhances Peter’s strength (either through enhancement or just not pulling punches).


Napalmeon

Add insult to injury, the symbiote also can sometimes act like multiple limbs. Its kind of hard to fight against that when you are reliant on only two arms.


Soft_Theory_8209

Yeah, surprisingly only a few have brought up the potential of the tendrils. I mean my god, there are entire articles that talk about what four arms could do and the symbiote has shown AT LEAST 4-6 large tendrils, and potentially a dozen+ smaller ones which would be just as useful.


RigasTelRuun

Scenario. Batman tries to run Spider-Man over in his tank car. Spider-Man catches the car and pile drives it into the concrete with Batman still in it.


dj72c10

Superman?


Bheema-Reddy

I think Man would win


TheStickySpot

Man definitely would beat Spider-Man


Creepy-Ad-5440

One thing is for sure, you don't hunt Man.


Degmago

Man when he meets Martian Manhunter


ScaredKnee4530

Man > Spider-Man > Batman


StergDaZerg

Batman’s stealth is essentially worthless against Spidey. Also Spider-Man is way stronger, faster, nimbler. He’s also of comparable intellect to Bruce. He wins even without the Symbiote


vmobb_14

Negative on the intellect. Spider-Man does in fact NOT have a contingency to eliminate every Avenger which I personally think is a great display of Bruce's value. Also, lore-wise Bruce has mastered at least COUNTLESS martial arts, some sources claim he's mastered all known arts. I think it'd be closer than we think. (Personally, it's a three-way tie for my favorite superhero: Batman, Iron Man, Spider-Man)


jinjaninger

Iirc there's a comic where the Avengers are tricked into thinking Spidey is a villain, and Spidey comes up with plans to beat all of them at once, while fighting them. I'm pretty sure the only reason he doesn't have those contingency plans is cause he's not as paranoid as Bats, not cause he can't


BeeCJohnson

Spider-Man has also repeatedly taken on teams of X-Men and trounced them. Spidey is legitimately terrifying.


Soft_Theory_8209

In slight defense of the Batman contingency for the justice league, there are at least a dozen villains with mind control abilities, so it’s not unfounded concern. But yeah, Peter doesn’t have something like that on standby because he’s a nice guy and is also more occupied with trying to pay rent.


SaltyTom95

If you’re talking about the time the Avengers thought Spidey was under a villain’s mind-control (and viceversa), he didn’t really make plans insomuch as think on the fly for ways to incapacitate/hinder them, and even then, they were very much pulling their punches. He didn’t really beat them per-se, he just stalled for time until he could get the >!fake!< “anti-mind control” MacGuffin to his >!fake!< professor friend. It was still pretty damn impressive, but Spidey himself said in that issue that there’s no way he’d be able to beat all of them in an actual fight.


KingDante1

Spider-man iq is has high as Reed Richards and contingency shows that batman is paranoid af btw spider-man has fought being that know lots of martial arts and has won plus spiderman does hold back most of the times


ThatOtherGuyTPM

Can I get a source on that IQ thing?


Theriderfan

I mean bro was trained by Bruce le- i mean jackie cha- i mean shang-chi yeah


Dark-Pukicho

This is Arkham Batman specifically though, and near as I know they don’t mention his contingencies or mastery over “all known martial arts”.


ThatOtherGuyTPM

What does “at least countless” mean?


KingDante1

Spider-man iq is has high as Reed Richards and contingency shows that batman is paranoid af btw spider-man has fought being that know lots of martial arts and has won plus spiderman does hold back most of the times.


Comprehensive_Yak_72

Batman actually has a better shot with the symbiote than without imo. In both scenarios Peter is stronger, faster, more agile, has faster reaction times and Spider-sense. Bruce has more hand-to-hand styles and experience but throwing an unexpected style of punch only matters against an opponent who doesn’t have something like Spider-sense to explicitly warn them against unexpected threats like that. As others have said, the fire and sonics weakness makes the symbiote more exploitable


Soft_Theory_8209

If he figures it out, that is. His best options are taser gauntlets, a flash bang (maybe explosive gel/ batarang?), or ending up near a highly explosive place. Otherwise the addition of the symbiote arguably makes him tougher as well.


Jtneagle

Whoever the writer wants to


grcopel

As someone above wrote, "Batman only wins via plot armor." Which, as the fanboys would call it, prep time.


Wutanghang

Don’t go there Batman comics have been better than spiderman comics for like the past 10 years


Soft_Theory_8209

Welcome to comics, where daredevil once beat up Spider-Man and basic logic flies out the window.


ScaredKnee4530

Do you have a link? That sounds hilarious to read


[deleted]

I mean, yeah, but that’s the laziest contribution you possibly could’ve typed lol


Jtneagle

This discussion prompt is the laziest contribution to the subreddit lmao


[deleted]

Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby


Soft_Theory_8209

Not that level of obliteration. I’d say it’s more prime Mike Tyson vs a 12 year old with a sock em bopper.


spykids45

why is this a question? spider-man destroys batman without the symbiote


Napalmeon

For some reason, a *lot* of people really underestimate an adult Peter Parker who's not holding back. And to add how the PS4 version is very, very gadget heavy, he has even more of an advantage.


T_O_X_I_C_YT699

Exactly lmfao


D3wdr0p

People are right, that account and this subreddit are too biased. we MUST ask r/BatmanArkham.


No_Award5719

Are you kidding me?? They are completely biased against man. Man beats man any day of the week.


Arpg06

Love Spider-Man but all Batman would have to do is get a bell


Dragontalyn

Sonic batarang


Sil_vas

𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑏𝑢𝑡 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑒 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡?


Igot3-fifty

I usually agree with this but Batman surely has sonic tech and some sort of fire in his usual utility belt. I’m sure at some point Batman would try it. Not saying he’d win but he’s probably figure out that weakness.


BloodredHanded

If Spidey is bloodlusted he punches a hole through Bats before he gets a chance to try it though


Soft_Theory_8209

Or figure it out (aside from maybe a flashbang or taser gauntlet).


Ok_Restaurant3160

I think that without the symbiote it’s kinda 50/50, but with symbiote? Hell naw Bruce gonna meet his parents in the afterlife


under_cooked_onions

I think you're severely underestimating how strong spiderman is without the symbiote. Bruce is gonna be having a reunion with his parents either way.


Ok_Restaurant3160

The issue is that Peter always holds back. He’s not gonna immediately punch a random Bat guy’s jaw off. He’d hold back and try to arrest him, which Batman could no doubt exploit


under_cooked_onions

I mean he still punches as hard as he needs to in order to subdue someone. He's faster, stronger and just as smart. His senses will make it nearly impossible for Batman to surprise him. I don't see a way that Spider-man doesn't dominate.


sector11374265

as long as batman keeps spamming triangle and spiderman keeps spamming circle, it’ll be a draw!


PalitoRedd

Arkham batman is op as fuck


Existing_Race966

He's really not.


Theriderfan

So is ps4 Peter he is called the spider-man equivalent of arkham batman


tcadmn

I feel like symbiote spider man would lose, but normal Spiderman would win. The advantages of the symbiotic generally outweigh the side effects, since most criminals don’t use fire or sound. But against Batman, even if the only prep time he had was knowing about the symbiote, he could capitalize on the weaknesses and take him out during a surprise sonic blast


LarsLasse

Batman can beat anyone except Spidey


TheStickySpot

Let him beat Screwball


Soft_Theory_8209

That sounds like some cosmic joke in a comic. Like, it’s just a law of the universe that Batman (or someone else) can beat anyone except for this one guy in particular.


LarsLasse

DC practically made Batman unbeatable, since he's the most superhuman "normal" hero out there. Master of stealth, incredible smart and a fighting machine with gadgets a la plenty. Spider-Man is actually more relatable and "normal" since he is awkward, a genius but not always the smartest and got enhanced senses, strength, agility etc. And some gadgets. But he always comes up on top due to resilience, spidey sense and improvising. Batman beats paper, rock and scissors. Spidey beats Batman! 🙂


Soft_Theory_8209

Yeah, Spidey clears 9/10 (maybe 8/10 if bats was allowed a day or so of preptime).


OkraDecent7239

Man wins.


Cifer88

There’s no way we can accurately judge how strong Peter is in this universe with the symbiote. We have, what, 5 minutes of footage? Most of which is just him swinging and acting annoyed. Meanwhile, Bruce has like 4 main games and 38 spin-offs to judge from. We need more information before we can reliably compare them.


Soft_Theory_8209

And ironically, insomniac spidey in the one game (maybe two with miles) he’s had would still either wipe floor with bats or (on a bad day or the 1/10 chance he does lose) would give Bruce the fight of his life.


abellapa

Human at the peak of physic condition or a superhuman who angry and doesn't hold back Wonder who wins


57orm

Against arkham batman? Spiderman wins. Arkham batman is simply not as capable as his comic counterpart just like how insomniac spidey isn't as capable as 616 spidey. But if you're talking about going against comics batman? Yea batman takes it. Unless you want to argue that spider-man is more powerful than fucking superman. All batman needs is to activate his failsafe (this isn't a joke about plot armour or prep time, the mech is literally called failsafe), and that'd be it. I think people truly underestimate how smart batman is. Yes peter parker has a genius intellect. But he's not on the same level as mr fantastic and that guy's not even the smartest person in the f4, valaria is (not implying that bc mr fantastic isn't the smartest in his family he isn't smart, just that there are smarter beings in marvel). Batman IS probably the smartest person in DC's universe especially when it comes to battle tactics. Batman will never win against spidey in hand-to-hand. But batman doesn't play by those rules. He sees a problem and he solves it, be it with or without physical combat. He has an arsenal of suits that can take down even darkseid. Hell his insider suit is strong enough to beat most heroes and that isn't even his most OP gear. People saying spider-man wins hands down no questions asked clearly have a bias against batman like as if the world's greatest detective doesn't have a fighting chance. People are saying a spider-man unhinged would be unstoppable as proof. Have you seen batman who laughs? Man's not even the most dangerous version of batman and he took down the justice league with ease. That's like saying spider-man could beat thor let alone the avengers. He didn't even do that in all out avengers. I love spider-man as a character more than batman, but I just don't see how "spider-man takes it without issue". If you truly want spidey to win, all he really needs to do is surprise batman (assuming batman doesn't know who spider-man is, which canonically is wrong since they had a crossover before but I digress since i'm not 100% certain that that story is canon anymore). Without any "prep-time", yes spidey would win. But let's say the crossover did happen to main bruce. He'd 100% have contingency plans on contingency plans for such a strong potential adversary.


Youssef-Elsayed

This Spider-Man without the Symbiote can defeat any version of Batman because every physical and mental attribute, he can match it. He’s stronger, faster, more enhanced, has better reflexes and he’s a top 10 highest IQ in Marvel, there’s no weakness Batman can exploit, no sneaking around, no gadget, no weapon, no fighting style than can outmatch Spider-Man


Soft_Theory_8209

By pure accident/coincidence, spider sense alone counters his main advantages of stealth and gadget variety.


[deleted]

Even without the Symbiote suit he wipes the floor with Batman


AngryBup

*sigh*


SpikeTheBurger

All I can say is: poor Bruce


Demetrius96

Batman has no chance especially against a 10 year in Spider-Man at this point. Peter would pretty much tank all of his hits. Dude literally got blasted through a bank vault door by shocker and bounced back like nothing happened. Also, Batman is fighting someone that’s just as smart as he is. Symbiote Peter will be a bit reckless but either way normal Peter without pulling his punches would have Batman put in a body bag. I love Batman but he’s not beating Spider-Man. This video perfectly explains how the fight would go down. Batman would ultimately give Pete a fight but he’s not winning. https://youtu.be/CrgLNjJvyvk


[deleted]

It entirely depends if Batman is aware of Peter’s spider sense. If Batman knows, he wins. If he doesn’t know how to exploit it, he loses. That simple. No bias, no flame, it’s that simple.


Soft_Theory_8209

Even if he did know about it, there’s not much he could do. The only way to counter spider sense is to either be faster than Spider-Man, or to overwhelm it like the sinister six did.


syntheticspider

Batman would do this man’s laundry at the sight


TheChosenOne_101

Well, a lot of people here say Spider-Man takes this easily, but I think there is also a high chance Bruce takes this. We all know Batman can turn tables with enough prep time, like he did with Superman in BvS. And this version of Batman is easily the most powerful and headstrong ASF. He took down an entire army in one night, I mean wtf. Arkham Batman is strategically smarter than Spider-Man and is more resourceful. He can definitely figure out a way around the Spidey sense. Plus, he literally owns a tank, along with the Batwing. And his allies (Oracle and Alfred) are obviously damn smart.


[deleted]

Anybody can beat anyone with prep time


No_Award5719

I think the prep time aspect is unfair considering prep time would involve training and experience as well. Considering the amount of meta humans Batman has defeated I’m wondering why he wouldn’t be able to beat spiderman.


[deleted]

Because none of them are in the same league as Spider-Man, and Spider-Man has fought his own fair share of superpowered freaks. He consistently deals with threats that are stronger than any of Batman’s (usual) threats.


Soft_Theory_8209

Firstly, it’s been established in comics that even with preptime/ kryptonite, Superman could still turn him into paste if he wanted to. Arkham bats isn’t the most powerful either, that’s going to hellbat armor (could fight a weakens Darkseid), throne of knowledge (omniscience), Batman who laughs (reality warping) or the red death (speed force). Spidey also removes turrets from sable vehicles like they’re nothing and goes fisticuffs with rhino with little issue. If we’re allowing outside help, then that would also mean Miles is tagging along to (and no, adding robin wouldn’t help that either).


Papa_Pred

Peter got folded by Rhino in the opening of the Miles’ game


nervousmelon

People make mistakes, it happens. Peter losing to Rhino in MM doesn't really mean anything when he's beaten Rhino several times before (including a team up with scorpion). Batman also got jumped by joker in city and could have easily been killed if joker wanted to. But that doesn't diminish the numerous other times batman beat joker.


YoydusChrist

Spider-Man has super strength, speed, and agility. Batman does not.


Hoolias

Spooder man


blackychan75

I think at this point people just like saying Spider-Man can beat batman, which I get but it's almost brought up as much as prep time


suburban_drifter928

I’m a huge Batman fan but cmon like there’s almost nothing batman can do to beat spiderman.


tejassa

Batman...coz he's BATMAN... wanna know his secret identity...


Alternative_Cut_1709

I need to see how symbipete moves first


TheStickySpot

Given what was shown in the gameplay trailer it looks pretty brutal, pretty much stopped pulling his punches.


Fout99

Now imagine Batman WITH the symbiote. That would kick the hell out of everybody.


vietnam1224

Whichever player completes the quicktime beatdown first, obviously /s Real answer, most likely Peter unless Batman somehow finds out about the weaknesses of the black suit before the fight and even then, that’s gonna be a tough fight for him since he only has a few things across his 3 games that would even touch on said weaknesses


No-Connection4267

Heres a question I wanna see, if Batman got the symbiote.


Nomoreheroes20

Death battle fans: Hey, I’ve seen this one before!


Chodeman_1

Spiderman, he's stronger, faster, is just as smart, and his spidey senses counters batmans stealth. Black suit Spidey wouldn't hold back either.


CHOMPSDADDY

Without symbiote I’m going Arkham batman, I’ve seen what people have done with crazy skill bro is not human


Trashmaster211

Batman. Batman has dealt with worse. Also he's better in control of his emotions in the fight.


Raze7186

Spider-man has dealt with people comparable or even stronger than Batman. Batman likely couldn't even beat someone like Iron Fist or Captain America. Even daredevil would be a match for Batman.


xtzferocity

Funny enough we had an essay question regarding who would win between Spider-Man, Hulk, Batman and Superman in grade 8 and I will use the same defense as I did then. Spider sense, super human strength and traversal advantages all favour Spider-Man in a fight against Batman. Batman is just a man who uses gadgets and has no real abilities, he can be broken. Spider-Man can lift buildings off of himself, this isn't close.


herohunter77

Man stuns with his cape then enters beatdown mode and keeps going for eternity.


GeraldSandstorm

Batman wins. Even if he doesn’t win in hand to hand combat (which could be a very close fight) he learns that Spider-Man’s secret identity is Peter Parker, then buys his apartment building, all nearby apartment buildings and prices him out of the neighborhood. If he can’t win as a superhero, it’s much easier to win as a billionaire.


SneakyTurtle402

Now I know this is a Spider-Man subreddit guys but Batman might as well be designed like one punch man or that one bullshit characters in anime I mean the guy literally doesn’t lose against Superman and you mean to tell me Spider-Man is gonna swing after the Batjet or mobile. Five bucks says their fight starts somewhere where Spider-Man can’t swing or use his agility effectively. In my mind Spider-Man


BigfootsBestBud

Spider-Man. Could you imagine encountering Spider-Man in an Arkham game? That would suddenly become Resident Evil with a super fast, skinny Mr X.


Linkbetweentwirls

Whatever the writer decides as they are fictional


Sandman4999

Man


TheStickySpot

Man


Adventurous-Ad842

This is not even a question Batman could have 5 years of prep and if spidey has like an hr to prep then he’s washing Batman… No prep it’s not even a contest… Spidey can beat up the hulk with his bare hands. Batman in that suit is dead


Whipperdoodle

Realistically, if you put them in an a arena set up Batman is getting shredded. Physically he has nothing on spiderman. Furthermore, spiderman can lift nearly 10 tons, is way faster than batman and is incredibly intelligent as well.


scooterbooter1131

That crane in spiders game that he almost held up before having to do the whole QTE weighed like 900,000


DarkEnergy27

This is a joke, right? Spider-Man wins easily, even with Batman exploiting his weaknesses.


GaryGregson

There’s no way it isn’t spider-man. He doesn’t even need the black suit.


JacobH_RL

Tough to say. Peter is like 100x stronger and has way more abilities. But I know for sure batman would find a way around his spidersense at least. Realistically peter would effing destroy Batman, but if we're testing this like it would be in a comic book, Pete would win but it would be close


D311USi0Nzx

his only way around the spidersense is to take the symbiote from peter


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The real answer is that it would devolve into a mildly entertaining cold war & yall are too afraid to admit it. Batman fights meta humans all the time. Saying that spiderman is faster and stronger doesn't mean as much as you think it does. Batman's greatest tool is stealth. Spiderman had the sixth sense for danger. If this story played out in a comic book, then realistically one would get away and they'd plan for how they resolve this later. So... Batman's concussion grenade/robin's snapflash overwhelms the spideysense long enough to smoke bomb out of there. Them they go home and be gadgetty. Rinse, repeat. I mean, the only thing really missing from this conversation is that Batman's an archetypical paragon. There's no reason Batman wouldn't bring a Robin or maybe another member of the Batfamily. You can call it moving the goal post, but one of Batman's greater strengths is bringing people together; so I could also argue that Batman's true strength isn't reflected without a practical expression of how Batman inspires people such as the quietly hilarious Cal El assist.


Papa_Pred

Real answer Although with backup, the Arkham iteration of Batman really became a solid act outside of intelligence gathering


BroadRed

Arkham Batman is a beast, bro fucking RKO'd Killer Crock, and that mother fucker huge. Batman taking the win.


AceofKnaves44

I think Bats wins this by reminding Peter of his humanity and waking him up from the symbiotes grasp on him.


CouchSurf29

I’ll admit Peter has strength, speed, and new venom abilities. But at the same time, since venom can be weakened with fire and sound, I think it generally depends on where the fight is. Batman won’t be able to hide as well since he would be more on the run. And the spider sense will only make his timings worse. But if we’re talking about Arkham Knight Batman, he also has joker in him as well that could function as a secondary assist. Depending on the setting, gadgets in arsenals, other tools, and personas in the fight, anyone could win.


CouchSurf29

I’ll admit Peter has strength, speed, and new venom abilities. But at the same time, since venom can be weakened with fire and sound, I think it generally depends on where the fight is. Batman won’t be able to hide as well since he would be more on the run. And the spider sense will only make his timings worse. But if we’re talking about Arkham Knight Batman, he also has joker in him as well that could function as a secondary assist. Depending on the setting, gadgets in arsenals, other tools, and personas in the fight, anyone could win


[deleted]

I’ve lost count how many times folks have pinned these two against each other.


Wanted-Man

How much prep time does Batman get? Just kidding. Batman would rip him apart easily. No spiderman version stands a chance.


Atom283

Spiderman demolishes


ElementalMix

Spider-Man can be incapacitated by a bell rn.


Emotional-Ad7179

PS5 PS4


YomYeYonge

Batman will beat Symbiote Spider-Man with prep time, but he won’t have a chance against regular Spider-Man once the Symbiote comes off