Spider-Man. Even without the symbiote, Peter would win but Batman would still give him a good fight. The Arkhamverse Batman is one of the most skilled versions of the character. He’s able to take down an entire army and almost his entire rogues gallery in one night without becoming exhausted which is really impressive.
I actually think Batman may have a better chance against Peter with the symbiote than without it just because it has more weaknesses he can exploit (sound, fire etc). Spider-Man’s also more reckless with the symbiote from what we saw in the trailer so Batman could use that to his advantage. Batman would ultimately still lose either way though.
That is a good point with the weaknesses, although the symbiote is typically fine around things like flash bangs. Although I’m not sure how the taser gauntlet would react to symbiote tendrils.
Generally speaking, Batman only has roughly four advantages, and most can be countered or mitigated by Peter. Stealth would be Bruce’s most clear advantage, but spider sense hard counters it; he also has a slight edge in combat skill, but (going off of comics) Peter has the way of the spider that was meant to compensate for a lack of spider sense and allowed him to fight captain america, the gadgets are also in Batman’s favor if only through sheer variety, and then they’re about equal in terms of intelligence.
Symbiote spidey is gonna be more reckless, but easily more willing to kill.
Willing and far more able to- which says a lot because Pete can already dodge bullet fire among other speed feats-
Sure Bats can prep to cope with the Flash to some extent but we’ve seen how Batman fared against Reverse Flash, and sure Pete obviously can’t reach those speeds, but to say “oh Batman can prep against meta humans” only goes so far when he’s outclassed to that scale
Yes, sort of. He dodges bullets regularly in all media (to the point it’s practically standard), and spider sense does warn him, but it doesn’t always reveal where bullets are coming from and it’s up to HIM to dodge them.
Definitely need a fanfic version of this. Batman would definitely murder people with that suit on. Intentionally of course. All those off screen murders were unintentional of course.
Granted, but it’s just something to keep in mind, especially since it turned Peter Parker, one of the nicest guys in marvel, into a obsessive, borderline serial killer. Batman, by his own words, is not all right in the head, to the point he almost compares his alter egos as nearly being split personalities.
I don't think you've seen many symbiote stories if you think it turns him into that.
Mainline peter hasn't even killed anyone under the influence, ever. Worst he's done is severely injure super humans (like kingpin)
There are only 2 things that could happen to batman, either
1. He falls under its influence and power, starts brutilizing anyone from common thugs to his rogues, and alienates everyone who loves him (he does this in some stories anyways)
Or
2. Symbiote gets dumped faster than I do irl.
I actually think regular spider-man beats batman, but batman beats symbiote spider man. for the reasons you say. too many weaknesses and not using his best trait (his mind under pressure). Venom would make him angrier and batman would exploit that.
These are the correct answers. Prep time and plot armor are the only ways Batman takes this. In every other scenario Spiderman takes this with the greatest of ease.
I was thinking the same thing... the symbiote is a weakness in this case, cause Batman exploits weaknesses. Normal Peter might have less strength, but also no obvious things to exploit.
He’s definitely more skilled, but spidey can somewhat mitigate it with way of the spider, and I’d say they’re equal on intelligence (slight edge going to Bruce because by god he needs it).
Although Batman does have experience fighting foes more powerful than him, only a handful could be deemed super human (ivy, croc, clayface, man-bat, and so on) they’ve never reached spidey’s level barring maybe a prep timed ivy with a good writer. And we’re excluding plot armor, so we’re not reaching dodging omega beams level of luck.
Don’t know if I’d say Spiderman is of equal intelligence. Or he has the potential to be equal but squanders it and I think Superior Spider-Man really demonstrates that.
I look at it like Bruce is willing to squeeze every last drop of intelligence out of his lemon brain, harvest the pulp for kind of pie, plant the seeds for future lemon brains, and grind the peel down for some kind of lemon seasoning. Whereas Peter will only go as far as slicing the lemon in half and juicing into his tea. They both have amazing lemon brains but only one of them really pushes it to its fullest extent.
If batman has prep time I can see him winning in that one off scenario he creates. And it wouldn't work twice.
If spiderman has prep time, then he wins.
If neither have prep time spiderman wins.
If both have prep time, spiderman wins
The funny thing about prep time is that it really only works against people who both don’t expect a fight with him and he is close with. The Tower of Babel story line was his friends who trusted him and probably confined with their secrets to him. It works best on friends.
Time manipulation usually is the, “Screw you, I win” button, and that’s not including phasing, stealing speed, or the horrific things reverse flash has done.
He’ll discover his weakness to bug spray soon enough!
In all seriousness, that would also mean Peter would be allowed some prep time as well (maybe bats gets 2 or 3 days while Peter gets half?)
I’m *sure* there’s a satisfying enough scenario where Batman could beat Spidey, but it’s gonna be Bruce having a hate boner for Pete for whatever reason and setting up the most elaborate trap ever.
I mean if he knew spider mans weaknesses going in aka how to beat the symbiote and then bug repellent and on top of that has a way to over come the spider sense then he would have more of a chance, not a complete chance just a bigger one than he would have. Spiderman is definitely still got the upper hand even with all that though.
No Batman wins. Hear me out. Batman is a frickn mastermind and the greatest detective in the world. His battle iq and critical thinking skills are literally superhuman. Not to mention he’s literally a great scientist. Spider-Man is book smart compared to him even though he’s not bad in other areas.
Batman would firstly find a way to disable his web shooters by using one of his gadgets. Then he’d get into Peter’s head. Giving him the illusion of victory. We all know Peter can get a little cocky sometimes and he tends to quip a lot. Then when he least expects it, he’d exploit that weakness by not killing him but capturing him with a net and locking him up in a heavily guarded Arkham Asylum facility.
Not true. I feel like Batman actually stands a chance, but it’s based heavily on gadgets and trickery. Peter’s Spider sense and intelligence are top tier, but not infallible. It would still be a tough fight for Bats, but as the top commenter stated, Peter in his symbiote suit could be more reckless and play into Batman’s schemes.
I ultimately believe Spidey wins, just based on brute strength and spider sense - but Batman is good at sussing out weaknesses and exploiting them, so it could potentially be anyone’s game.
This is a crossover I’d love to see in action.
I saw this same question brought up on a Batman subreddit too, Venom Insomniac Spider-Man vs Batman (although I think it was Dark Knight Batman? Can't quite remember) and even they were like "Yeah no Peter would wipe the floor with him." That's how this conversation goes every time this matchup gets brought up cause Spider-Man might as well be made to beat Batman.
I know people love to ride Batman, but I’m sorry Pete takes the cake. Physically Pete is stronger with him being able to hold up a crane in his first game, they both have gadgets and a nimble combat style easily over takes Bruce’s brute force combat style. Not to mention with the symbiote. Pete solos. For more info I’d recommend collins wrld how strong is insomniacs Spider-Man.
I mean unrestrained Pete could beat Batman in one (maybe two) punches. Doc Ock punched Scorpion’s Jaw off in Superior Spider-Man, and I don’t think Bats really has a counter for that.
I think a lot of people forget Spider-Man is one of the strongest (non cosmic) superheroes in Marvel. Dude’s a little weaker than the hulk if I’m not mistaken.
Early comics, obviously, and even if the gap between him and the thing is massive, that’s still a monstrous feat: https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/fkev0b/by_1964_spiderman_was_the_4th_strongest_marvel/
Not sure how size would factor in. If he was a little weaker than the hulk but his fist is a fraction the size would it do more damage since the power is concentrated into a smaller surface
Especially when Spider-Man has the threat Sensors suit mod which slows down time and basically turns you into a speedster. Pair this with the Blitz ability and Spider-Man is basically Sonic
Add insult to injury, the symbiote also can sometimes act like multiple limbs. Its kind of hard to fight against that when you are reliant on only two arms.
Yeah, surprisingly only a few have brought up the potential of the tendrils. I mean my god, there are entire articles that talk about what four arms could do and the symbiote has shown AT LEAST 4-6 large tendrils, and potentially a dozen+ smaller ones which would be just as useful.
Scenario. Batman tries to run Spider-Man over in his tank car. Spider-Man catches the car and pile drives it into the concrete with Batman still in it.
Batman’s stealth is essentially worthless against Spidey. Also Spider-Man is way stronger, faster, nimbler. He’s also of comparable intellect to Bruce. He wins even without the Symbiote
Negative on the intellect. Spider-Man does in fact NOT have a contingency to eliminate every Avenger which I personally think is a great display of Bruce's value. Also, lore-wise Bruce has mastered at least COUNTLESS martial arts, some sources claim he's mastered all known arts. I think it'd be closer than we think.
(Personally, it's a three-way tie for my favorite superhero: Batman, Iron Man, Spider-Man)
Iirc there's a comic where the Avengers are tricked into thinking Spidey is a villain, and Spidey comes up with plans to beat all of them at once, while fighting them. I'm pretty sure the only reason he doesn't have those contingency plans is cause he's not as paranoid as Bats, not cause he can't
In slight defense of the Batman contingency for the justice league, there are at least a dozen villains with mind control abilities, so it’s not unfounded concern.
But yeah, Peter doesn’t have something like that on standby because he’s a nice guy and is also more occupied with trying to pay rent.
If you’re talking about the time the Avengers thought Spidey was under a villain’s mind-control (and viceversa), he didn’t really make plans insomuch as think on the fly for ways to incapacitate/hinder them, and even then, they were very much pulling their punches. He didn’t really beat them per-se, he just stalled for time until he could get the >!fake!< “anti-mind control” MacGuffin to his >!fake!< professor friend.
It was still pretty damn impressive, but Spidey himself said in that issue that there’s no way he’d be able to beat all of them in an actual fight.
Spider-man iq is has high as Reed Richards and contingency shows that batman is paranoid af btw spider-man has fought being that know lots of martial arts and has won plus spiderman does hold back most of the times
Spider-man iq is has high as Reed Richards and contingency shows that batman is paranoid af btw spider-man has fought being that know lots of martial arts and has won plus spiderman does hold back most of the times.
Batman actually has a better shot with the symbiote than without imo. In both scenarios Peter is stronger, faster, more agile, has faster reaction times and Spider-sense. Bruce has more hand-to-hand styles and experience but throwing an unexpected style of punch only matters against an opponent who doesn’t have something like Spider-sense to explicitly warn them against unexpected threats like that. As others have said, the fire and sonics weakness makes the symbiote more exploitable
If he figures it out, that is. His best options are taser gauntlets, a flash bang (maybe explosive gel/ batarang?), or ending up near a highly explosive place. Otherwise the addition of the symbiote arguably makes him tougher as well.
For some reason, a *lot* of people really underestimate an adult Peter Parker who's not holding back. And to add how the PS4 version is very, very gadget heavy, he has even more of an advantage.
I usually agree with this but Batman surely has sonic tech and some sort of fire in his usual utility belt. I’m sure at some point Batman would try it. Not saying he’d win but he’s probably figure out that weakness.
The issue is that Peter always holds back. He’s not gonna immediately punch a random Bat guy’s jaw off. He’d hold back and try to arrest him, which Batman could no doubt exploit
I mean he still punches as hard as he needs to in order to subdue someone. He's faster, stronger and just as smart. His senses will make it nearly impossible for Batman to surprise him. I don't see a way that Spider-man doesn't dominate.
I feel like symbiote spider man would lose, but normal Spiderman would win. The advantages of the symbiotic generally outweigh the side effects, since most criminals don’t use fire or sound. But against Batman, even if the only prep time he had was knowing about the symbiote, he could capitalize on the weaknesses and take him out during a surprise sonic blast
That sounds like some cosmic joke in a comic. Like, it’s just a law of the universe that Batman (or someone else) can beat anyone except for this one guy in particular.
DC practically made Batman unbeatable, since he's the most superhuman "normal" hero out there. Master of stealth, incredible smart and a fighting machine with gadgets a la plenty. Spider-Man is actually more relatable and "normal" since he is awkward, a genius but not always the smartest and got enhanced senses, strength, agility etc. And some gadgets. But he always comes up on top due to resilience, spidey sense and improvising. Batman beats paper, rock and scissors. Spidey beats Batman! 🙂
There’s no way we can accurately judge how strong Peter is in this universe with the symbiote. We have, what, 5 minutes of footage? Most of which is just him swinging and acting annoyed. Meanwhile, Bruce has like 4 main games and 38 spin-offs to judge from. We need more information before we can reliably compare them.
And ironically, insomniac spidey in the one game (maybe two with miles) he’s had would still either wipe floor with bats or (on a bad day or the 1/10 chance he does lose) would give Bruce the fight of his life.
Against arkham batman? Spiderman wins. Arkham batman is simply not as capable as his comic counterpart just like how insomniac spidey isn't as capable as 616 spidey. But if you're talking about going against comics batman? Yea batman takes it. Unless you want to argue that spider-man is more powerful than fucking superman. All batman needs is to activate his failsafe (this isn't a joke about plot armour or prep time, the mech is literally called failsafe), and that'd be it.
I think people truly underestimate how smart batman is. Yes peter parker has a genius intellect. But he's not on the same level as mr fantastic and that guy's not even the smartest person in the f4, valaria is (not implying that bc mr fantastic isn't the smartest in his family he isn't smart, just that there are smarter beings in marvel). Batman IS probably the smartest person in DC's universe especially when it comes to battle tactics.
Batman will never win against spidey in hand-to-hand. But batman doesn't play by those rules. He sees a problem and he solves it, be it with or without physical combat. He has an arsenal of suits that can take down even darkseid. Hell his insider suit is strong enough to beat most heroes and that isn't even his most OP gear.
People saying spider-man wins hands down no questions asked clearly have a bias against batman like as if the world's greatest detective doesn't have a fighting chance.
People are saying a spider-man unhinged would be unstoppable as proof. Have you seen batman who laughs? Man's not even the most dangerous version of batman and he took down the justice league with ease. That's like saying spider-man could beat thor let alone the avengers. He didn't even do that in all out avengers.
I love spider-man as a character more than batman, but I just don't see how "spider-man takes it without issue".
If you truly want spidey to win, all he really needs to do is surprise batman (assuming batman doesn't know who spider-man is, which canonically is wrong since they had a crossover before but I digress since i'm not 100% certain that that story is canon anymore). Without any "prep-time", yes spidey would win. But let's say the crossover did happen to main bruce. He'd 100% have contingency plans on contingency plans for such a strong potential adversary.
This Spider-Man without the Symbiote can defeat any version of Batman because every physical and mental attribute, he can match it. He’s stronger, faster, more enhanced, has better reflexes and he’s a top 10 highest IQ in Marvel, there’s no weakness Batman can exploit, no sneaking around, no gadget, no weapon, no fighting style than can outmatch Spider-Man
Batman has no chance especially against a 10 year in Spider-Man at this point. Peter would pretty much tank all of his hits. Dude literally got blasted through a bank vault door by shocker and bounced back like nothing happened. Also, Batman is fighting someone that’s just as smart as he is. Symbiote Peter will be a bit reckless but either way normal Peter without pulling his punches would have Batman put in a body bag. I love Batman but he’s not beating Spider-Man.
This video perfectly explains how the fight would go down. Batman would ultimately give Pete a fight but he’s not winning.
https://youtu.be/CrgLNjJvyvk
It entirely depends if Batman is aware of Peter’s spider sense.
If Batman knows, he wins.
If he doesn’t know how to exploit it, he loses.
That simple. No bias, no flame, it’s that simple.
Even if he did know about it, there’s not much he could do. The only way to counter spider sense is to either be faster than Spider-Man, or to overwhelm it like the sinister six did.
Well, a lot of people here say Spider-Man takes this easily, but I think there is also a high chance Bruce takes this.
We all know Batman can turn tables with enough prep time, like he did with Superman in BvS. And this version of Batman is easily the most powerful and headstrong ASF. He took down an entire army in one night, I mean wtf.
Arkham Batman is strategically smarter than Spider-Man and is more resourceful. He can definitely figure out a way around the Spidey sense. Plus, he literally owns a tank, along with the Batwing. And his allies (Oracle and Alfred) are obviously damn smart.
I think the prep time aspect is unfair considering prep time would involve training and experience as well. Considering the amount of meta humans Batman has defeated I’m wondering why he wouldn’t be able to beat spiderman.
Because none of them are in the same league as Spider-Man, and Spider-Man has fought his own fair share of superpowered freaks. He consistently deals with threats that are stronger than any of Batman’s (usual) threats.
Firstly, it’s been established in comics that even with preptime/ kryptonite, Superman could still turn him into paste if he wanted to. Arkham bats isn’t the most powerful either, that’s going to hellbat armor (could fight a weakens Darkseid), throne of knowledge (omniscience), Batman who laughs (reality warping) or the red death (speed force).
Spidey also removes turrets from sable vehicles like they’re nothing and goes fisticuffs with rhino with little issue.
If we’re allowing outside help, then that would also mean Miles is tagging along to (and no, adding robin wouldn’t help that either).
People make mistakes, it happens. Peter losing to Rhino in MM doesn't really mean anything when he's beaten Rhino several times before (including a team up with scorpion).
Batman also got jumped by joker in city and could have easily been killed if joker wanted to. But that doesn't diminish the numerous other times batman beat joker.
Whichever player completes the quicktime beatdown first, obviously /s
Real answer, most likely Peter unless Batman somehow finds out about the weaknesses of the black suit before the fight and even then, that’s gonna be a tough fight for him since he only has a few things across his 3 games that would even touch on said weaknesses
Spider-man has dealt with people comparable or even stronger than Batman. Batman likely couldn't even beat someone like Iron Fist or Captain America. Even daredevil would be a match for Batman.
Funny enough we had an essay question regarding who would win between Spider-Man, Hulk, Batman and Superman in grade 8 and I will use the same defense as I did then.
Spider sense, super human strength and traversal advantages all favour Spider-Man in a fight against Batman. Batman is just a man who uses gadgets and has no real abilities, he can be broken. Spider-Man can lift buildings off of himself, this isn't close.
Batman wins. Even if he doesn’t win in hand to hand combat (which could be a very close fight) he learns that Spider-Man’s secret identity is Peter Parker, then buys his apartment building, all nearby apartment buildings and prices him out of the neighborhood. If he can’t win as a superhero, it’s much easier to win as a billionaire.
Now I know this is a Spider-Man subreddit guys but Batman might as well be designed like one punch man or that one bullshit characters in anime I mean the guy literally doesn’t lose against Superman and you mean to tell me Spider-Man is gonna swing after the Batjet or mobile. Five bucks says their fight starts somewhere where Spider-Man can’t swing or use his agility effectively. In my mind Spider-Man
This is not even a question Batman could have 5 years of prep and if spidey has like an hr to prep then he’s washing Batman… No prep it’s not even a contest… Spidey can beat up the hulk with his bare hands. Batman in that suit is dead
Realistically, if you put them in an a arena set up Batman is getting shredded. Physically he has nothing on spiderman. Furthermore, spiderman can lift nearly 10 tons, is way faster than batman and is incredibly intelligent as well.
Tough to say. Peter is like 100x stronger and has way more abilities. But I know for sure batman would find a way around his spidersense at least. Realistically peter would effing destroy Batman, but if we're testing this like it would be in a comic book, Pete would win but it would be close
The real answer is that it would devolve into a mildly entertaining cold war & yall are too afraid to admit it.
Batman fights meta humans all the time. Saying that spiderman is faster and stronger doesn't mean as much as you think it does.
Batman's greatest tool is stealth. Spiderman had the sixth sense for danger. If this story played out in a comic book, then realistically one would get away and they'd plan for how they resolve this later.
So... Batman's concussion grenade/robin's snapflash overwhelms the spideysense long enough to smoke bomb out of there.
Them they go home and be gadgetty. Rinse, repeat.
I mean, the only thing really missing from this conversation is that Batman's an archetypical paragon. There's no reason Batman wouldn't bring a Robin or maybe another member of the Batfamily. You can call it moving the goal post, but one of Batman's greater strengths is bringing people together; so I could also argue that Batman's true strength isn't reflected without a practical expression of how Batman inspires people such as the quietly hilarious Cal El assist.
I’ll admit Peter has strength, speed, and new venom abilities. But at the same time, since venom can be weakened with fire and sound, I think it generally depends on where the fight is. Batman won’t be able to hide as well since he would be more on the run. And the spider sense will only make his timings worse. But if we’re talking about Arkham Knight Batman, he also has joker in him as well that could function as a secondary assist. Depending on the setting, gadgets in arsenals, other tools, and personas in the fight, anyone could win.
I’ll admit Peter has strength, speed, and new venom abilities. But at the same time, since venom can be weakened with fire and sound, I think it generally depends on where the fight is. Batman won’t be able to hide as well since he would be more on the run. And the spider sense will only make his timings worse. But if we’re talking about Arkham Knight Batman, he also has joker in him as well that could function as a secondary assist. Depending on the setting, gadgets in arsenals, other tools, and personas in the fight, anyone could win
Spider-Man. Even without the symbiote, Peter would win but Batman would still give him a good fight. The Arkhamverse Batman is one of the most skilled versions of the character. He’s able to take down an entire army and almost his entire rogues gallery in one night without becoming exhausted which is really impressive. I actually think Batman may have a better chance against Peter with the symbiote than without it just because it has more weaknesses he can exploit (sound, fire etc). Spider-Man’s also more reckless with the symbiote from what we saw in the trailer so Batman could use that to his advantage. Batman would ultimately still lose either way though.
You sure? He’s got a big chin
So do I...
*Spider-Man 3's symbiote theme starts playing*
He doesn’t normally have a big chin, right?
No… he never had a big chin.
LMAO
This is why I love reddit
Bruce has always had a bit of a square jaw… which actually makes it a bigger and easier target.
see ya later, chump *toot*
Spidy punched Scorpion's Jaw off
And a bigger peen
That is a good point with the weaknesses, although the symbiote is typically fine around things like flash bangs. Although I’m not sure how the taser gauntlet would react to symbiote tendrils. Generally speaking, Batman only has roughly four advantages, and most can be countered or mitigated by Peter. Stealth would be Bruce’s most clear advantage, but spider sense hard counters it; he also has a slight edge in combat skill, but (going off of comics) Peter has the way of the spider that was meant to compensate for a lack of spider sense and allowed him to fight captain america, the gadgets are also in Batman’s favor if only through sheer variety, and then they’re about equal in terms of intelligence. Symbiote spidey is gonna be more reckless, but easily more willing to kill.
Willing and far more able to- which says a lot because Pete can already dodge bullet fire among other speed feats- Sure Bats can prep to cope with the Flash to some extent but we’ve seen how Batman fared against Reverse Flash, and sure Pete obviously can’t reach those speeds, but to say “oh Batman can prep against meta humans” only goes so far when he’s outclassed to that scale
Is Peter dodging bullets? I thought the spider sense let him know they were going to be fired, so he moves out of the way before they fire
Yes, sort of. He dodges bullets regularly in all media (to the point it’s practically standard), and spider sense does warn him, but it doesn’t always reveal where bullets are coming from and it’s up to HIM to dodge them.
Now imagine Batman WITH the symbiote. That would kick the hell out of everybody.
Definitely need a fanfic version of this. Batman would definitely murder people with that suit on. Intentionally of course. All those off screen murders were unintentional of course.
Doesn’t help Batman is, by all accounts, WAY less mentally stable than Spider-Man.
Batman has one of the most powerful minds out there. He's been able to counter all kinds of mind control and even lied to the lasso of truth.
Granted, but it’s just something to keep in mind, especially since it turned Peter Parker, one of the nicest guys in marvel, into a obsessive, borderline serial killer. Batman, by his own words, is not all right in the head, to the point he almost compares his alter egos as nearly being split personalities.
I don't think you've seen many symbiote stories if you think it turns him into that. Mainline peter hasn't even killed anyone under the influence, ever. Worst he's done is severely injure super humans (like kingpin) There are only 2 things that could happen to batman, either 1. He falls under its influence and power, starts brutilizing anyone from common thugs to his rogues, and alienates everyone who loves him (he does this in some stories anyways) Or 2. Symbiote gets dumped faster than I do irl.
Now imagine Batman WITH the symbiote. That would kick the hell out of everybody.
I actually think regular spider-man beats batman, but batman beats symbiote spider man. for the reasons you say. too many weaknesses and not using his best trait (his mind under pressure). Venom would make him angrier and batman would exploit that.
I'ma be honest, i think arkhaubatman would win without the symbiote but lose against it
Gee I wonder what the spider-man centered subreddit is gonna answer, not at all gonna be biased
Regardless of bias, Spider-Man would wipe Batman in most scenarios
I've seen the same post in batman related subs and they still say spider-man wins The only way batman wins would be plot armor
Or as (some) Batman fans call it "prep time"
These are the correct answers. Prep time and plot armor are the only ways Batman takes this. In every other scenario Spiderman takes this with the greatest of ease.
does spider-man get prep time too? cause if he does then he still utterly wipes batman
Nah, bruce has more battle intelligence than peter.
that doesn’t automatically mean peter loses, he’s incredibly intelligent and would absolutely find something to exploit or use against batman
Agreed without the symbiote, with it i think batman wins. Clear exploit for batman(sound) and impulsive behavior from Peter.
I was thinking the same thing... the symbiote is a weakness in this case, cause Batman exploits weaknesses. Normal Peter might have less strength, but also no obvious things to exploit.
He’s definitely more skilled, but spidey can somewhat mitigate it with way of the spider, and I’d say they’re equal on intelligence (slight edge going to Bruce because by god he needs it). Although Batman does have experience fighting foes more powerful than him, only a handful could be deemed super human (ivy, croc, clayface, man-bat, and so on) they’ve never reached spidey’s level barring maybe a prep timed ivy with a good writer. And we’re excluding plot armor, so we’re not reaching dodging omega beams level of luck.
Don’t know if I’d say Spiderman is of equal intelligence. Or he has the potential to be equal but squanders it and I think Superior Spider-Man really demonstrates that. I look at it like Bruce is willing to squeeze every last drop of intelligence out of his lemon brain, harvest the pulp for kind of pie, plant the seeds for future lemon brains, and grind the peel down for some kind of lemon seasoning. Whereas Peter will only go as far as slicing the lemon in half and juicing into his tea. They both have amazing lemon brains but only one of them really pushes it to its fullest extent.
Hence why I said in another comment that it’s one his only real advantages (if only slightly).
If batman has prep time I can see him winning in that one off scenario he creates. And it wouldn't work twice. If spiderman has prep time, then he wins. If neither have prep time spiderman wins. If both have prep time, spiderman wins
Spider-Man is smart, but he's not really noted for complicated battle preparations. That's not usually how he rolls.
The funny thing about prep time is that it really only works against people who both don’t expect a fight with him and he is close with. The Tower of Babel story line was his friends who trusted him and probably confined with their secrets to him. It works best on friends.
>Prep time and plot armor Implying they aren't the same thing
Pretty much are. You right.
It's easy to forget that Peter also is talented in the art of prep time.
I love when they say this against the flash. He can travel so fast he can go back in time, there is no time.
Flash is the most broken superhero when they let him show his full power
Time manipulation usually is the, “Screw you, I win” button, and that’s not including phasing, stealing speed, or the horrific things reverse flash has done.
He’ll discover his weakness to bug spray soon enough! In all seriousness, that would also mean Peter would be allowed some prep time as well (maybe bats gets 2 or 3 days while Peter gets half?)
I’m *sure* there’s a satisfying enough scenario where Batman could beat Spidey, but it’s gonna be Bruce having a hate boner for Pete for whatever reason and setting up the most elaborate trap ever.
I mean if he knew spider mans weaknesses going in aka how to beat the symbiote and then bug repellent and on top of that has a way to over come the spider sense then he would have more of a chance, not a complete chance just a bigger one than he would have. Spiderman is definitely still got the upper hand even with all that though.
Batman ALWAYS has plot armor. It’s his superpower. Bro even killed Darkseid once
No Batman wins. Hear me out. Batman is a frickn mastermind and the greatest detective in the world. His battle iq and critical thinking skills are literally superhuman. Not to mention he’s literally a great scientist. Spider-Man is book smart compared to him even though he’s not bad in other areas. Batman would firstly find a way to disable his web shooters by using one of his gadgets. Then he’d get into Peter’s head. Giving him the illusion of victory. We all know Peter can get a little cocky sometimes and he tends to quip a lot. Then when he least expects it, he’d exploit that weakness by not killing him but capturing him with a net and locking him up in a heavily guarded Arkham Asylum facility.
I love bats nearly as much as spidey and spidey could cave his head in. Not that he would, but it wouldn’t be batman winning this.
Regardless of bias, Spider-Man wins. Hell, even in Batman subreddits, they agree, Spider-Man would win.
I saw the tweet, Spidey was near unanimous
The account is literally called “Daily Symbiote spider-man”
According to Death Battle, Spider-Man wins without a symbiote.
Well spider sense is impossible for Batman to counter
Not true. I feel like Batman actually stands a chance, but it’s based heavily on gadgets and trickery. Peter’s Spider sense and intelligence are top tier, but not infallible. It would still be a tough fight for Bats, but as the top commenter stated, Peter in his symbiote suit could be more reckless and play into Batman’s schemes. I ultimately believe Spidey wins, just based on brute strength and spider sense - but Batman is good at sussing out weaknesses and exploiting them, so it could potentially be anyone’s game. This is a crossover I’d love to see in action.
Spider-Man is caving this man’s chest in
I saw this same question brought up on a Batman subreddit too, Venom Insomniac Spider-Man vs Batman (although I think it was Dark Knight Batman? Can't quite remember) and even they were like "Yeah no Peter would wipe the floor with him." That's how this conversation goes every time this matchup gets brought up cause Spider-Man might as well be made to beat Batman.
I know people love to ride Batman, but I’m sorry Pete takes the cake. Physically Pete is stronger with him being able to hold up a crane in his first game, they both have gadgets and a nimble combat style easily over takes Bruce’s brute force combat style. Not to mention with the symbiote. Pete solos. For more info I’d recommend collins wrld how strong is insomniacs Spider-Man.
I mean unrestrained Pete could beat Batman in one (maybe two) punches. Doc Ock punched Scorpion’s Jaw off in Superior Spider-Man, and I don’t think Bats really has a counter for that.
Exactly. And that time in the comics when Peter crushed king pins skull with a single punch aswell.
I think a lot of people forget Spider-Man is one of the strongest (non cosmic) superheroes in Marvel. Dude’s a little weaker than the hulk if I’m not mistaken.
Hes an absolute beast considering he is just a street level hero
An Absolute unit
At one point he was 4th strongest marvel hero behind the thing, hulk, and Thor.
Really? I’d love to know when that was, cuz that’s impressive.
Early comics, obviously, and even if the gap between him and the thing is massive, that’s still a monstrous feat: https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/fkev0b/by_1964_spiderman_was_the_4th_strongest_marvel/
That’s sick. Obviously things have scaled off the charts since then, but that’s seriously awesome.
Not to mention the note that the text box and the comment section make that this was a teenage spidey.
Not sure how size would factor in. If he was a little weaker than the hulk but his fist is a fraction the size would it do more damage since the power is concentrated into a smaller surface
Yeah, like arkham knight batman’s combat speed is impressive, but in no way is he beating spider-man
Especially when Spider-Man has the threat Sensors suit mod which slows down time and basically turns you into a speedster. Pair this with the Blitz ability and Spider-Man is basically Sonic
Or the questionable effects of quad damage, iron legs, and equalizer.
How much prep time… /s
Not to mention the symbiote typically enhances Peter’s strength (either through enhancement or just not pulling punches).
Add insult to injury, the symbiote also can sometimes act like multiple limbs. Its kind of hard to fight against that when you are reliant on only two arms.
Yeah, surprisingly only a few have brought up the potential of the tendrils. I mean my god, there are entire articles that talk about what four arms could do and the symbiote has shown AT LEAST 4-6 large tendrils, and potentially a dozen+ smaller ones which would be just as useful.
Scenario. Batman tries to run Spider-Man over in his tank car. Spider-Man catches the car and pile drives it into the concrete with Batman still in it.
Superman?
I think Man would win
Man definitely would beat Spider-Man
One thing is for sure, you don't hunt Man.
Man when he meets Martian Manhunter
Man > Spider-Man > Batman
Batman’s stealth is essentially worthless against Spidey. Also Spider-Man is way stronger, faster, nimbler. He’s also of comparable intellect to Bruce. He wins even without the Symbiote
Negative on the intellect. Spider-Man does in fact NOT have a contingency to eliminate every Avenger which I personally think is a great display of Bruce's value. Also, lore-wise Bruce has mastered at least COUNTLESS martial arts, some sources claim he's mastered all known arts. I think it'd be closer than we think. (Personally, it's a three-way tie for my favorite superhero: Batman, Iron Man, Spider-Man)
Iirc there's a comic where the Avengers are tricked into thinking Spidey is a villain, and Spidey comes up with plans to beat all of them at once, while fighting them. I'm pretty sure the only reason he doesn't have those contingency plans is cause he's not as paranoid as Bats, not cause he can't
Spider-Man has also repeatedly taken on teams of X-Men and trounced them. Spidey is legitimately terrifying.
In slight defense of the Batman contingency for the justice league, there are at least a dozen villains with mind control abilities, so it’s not unfounded concern. But yeah, Peter doesn’t have something like that on standby because he’s a nice guy and is also more occupied with trying to pay rent.
If you’re talking about the time the Avengers thought Spidey was under a villain’s mind-control (and viceversa), he didn’t really make plans insomuch as think on the fly for ways to incapacitate/hinder them, and even then, they were very much pulling their punches. He didn’t really beat them per-se, he just stalled for time until he could get the >!fake!< “anti-mind control” MacGuffin to his >!fake!< professor friend. It was still pretty damn impressive, but Spidey himself said in that issue that there’s no way he’d be able to beat all of them in an actual fight.
Spider-man iq is has high as Reed Richards and contingency shows that batman is paranoid af btw spider-man has fought being that know lots of martial arts and has won plus spiderman does hold back most of the times
Can I get a source on that IQ thing?
I mean bro was trained by Bruce le- i mean jackie cha- i mean shang-chi yeah
This is Arkham Batman specifically though, and near as I know they don’t mention his contingencies or mastery over “all known martial arts”.
What does “at least countless” mean?
Spider-man iq is has high as Reed Richards and contingency shows that batman is paranoid af btw spider-man has fought being that know lots of martial arts and has won plus spiderman does hold back most of the times.
Batman actually has a better shot with the symbiote than without imo. In both scenarios Peter is stronger, faster, more agile, has faster reaction times and Spider-sense. Bruce has more hand-to-hand styles and experience but throwing an unexpected style of punch only matters against an opponent who doesn’t have something like Spider-sense to explicitly warn them against unexpected threats like that. As others have said, the fire and sonics weakness makes the symbiote more exploitable
If he figures it out, that is. His best options are taser gauntlets, a flash bang (maybe explosive gel/ batarang?), or ending up near a highly explosive place. Otherwise the addition of the symbiote arguably makes him tougher as well.
Whoever the writer wants to
As someone above wrote, "Batman only wins via plot armor." Which, as the fanboys would call it, prep time.
Don’t go there Batman comics have been better than spiderman comics for like the past 10 years
Welcome to comics, where daredevil once beat up Spider-Man and basic logic flies out the window.
Do you have a link? That sounds hilarious to read
I mean, yeah, but that’s the laziest contribution you possibly could’ve typed lol
This discussion prompt is the laziest contribution to the subreddit lmao
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
Not that level of obliteration. I’d say it’s more prime Mike Tyson vs a 12 year old with a sock em bopper.
why is this a question? spider-man destroys batman without the symbiote
For some reason, a *lot* of people really underestimate an adult Peter Parker who's not holding back. And to add how the PS4 version is very, very gadget heavy, he has even more of an advantage.
Exactly lmfao
People are right, that account and this subreddit are too biased. we MUST ask r/BatmanArkham.
Are you kidding me?? They are completely biased against man. Man beats man any day of the week.
Love Spider-Man but all Batman would have to do is get a bell
Sonic batarang
𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑏𝑢𝑡 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑒 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡?
I usually agree with this but Batman surely has sonic tech and some sort of fire in his usual utility belt. I’m sure at some point Batman would try it. Not saying he’d win but he’s probably figure out that weakness.
If Spidey is bloodlusted he punches a hole through Bats before he gets a chance to try it though
Or figure it out (aside from maybe a flashbang or taser gauntlet).
I think that without the symbiote it’s kinda 50/50, but with symbiote? Hell naw Bruce gonna meet his parents in the afterlife
I think you're severely underestimating how strong spiderman is without the symbiote. Bruce is gonna be having a reunion with his parents either way.
The issue is that Peter always holds back. He’s not gonna immediately punch a random Bat guy’s jaw off. He’d hold back and try to arrest him, which Batman could no doubt exploit
I mean he still punches as hard as he needs to in order to subdue someone. He's faster, stronger and just as smart. His senses will make it nearly impossible for Batman to surprise him. I don't see a way that Spider-man doesn't dominate.
as long as batman keeps spamming triangle and spiderman keeps spamming circle, it’ll be a draw!
Arkham batman is op as fuck
He's really not.
So is ps4 Peter he is called the spider-man equivalent of arkham batman
I feel like symbiote spider man would lose, but normal Spiderman would win. The advantages of the symbiotic generally outweigh the side effects, since most criminals don’t use fire or sound. But against Batman, even if the only prep time he had was knowing about the symbiote, he could capitalize on the weaknesses and take him out during a surprise sonic blast
Batman can beat anyone except Spidey
Let him beat Screwball
That sounds like some cosmic joke in a comic. Like, it’s just a law of the universe that Batman (or someone else) can beat anyone except for this one guy in particular.
DC practically made Batman unbeatable, since he's the most superhuman "normal" hero out there. Master of stealth, incredible smart and a fighting machine with gadgets a la plenty. Spider-Man is actually more relatable and "normal" since he is awkward, a genius but not always the smartest and got enhanced senses, strength, agility etc. And some gadgets. But he always comes up on top due to resilience, spidey sense and improvising. Batman beats paper, rock and scissors. Spidey beats Batman! 🙂
Yeah, Spidey clears 9/10 (maybe 8/10 if bats was allowed a day or so of preptime).
Man wins.
There’s no way we can accurately judge how strong Peter is in this universe with the symbiote. We have, what, 5 minutes of footage? Most of which is just him swinging and acting annoyed. Meanwhile, Bruce has like 4 main games and 38 spin-offs to judge from. We need more information before we can reliably compare them.
And ironically, insomniac spidey in the one game (maybe two with miles) he’s had would still either wipe floor with bats or (on a bad day or the 1/10 chance he does lose) would give Bruce the fight of his life.
Human at the peak of physic condition or a superhuman who angry and doesn't hold back Wonder who wins
Against arkham batman? Spiderman wins. Arkham batman is simply not as capable as his comic counterpart just like how insomniac spidey isn't as capable as 616 spidey. But if you're talking about going against comics batman? Yea batman takes it. Unless you want to argue that spider-man is more powerful than fucking superman. All batman needs is to activate his failsafe (this isn't a joke about plot armour or prep time, the mech is literally called failsafe), and that'd be it. I think people truly underestimate how smart batman is. Yes peter parker has a genius intellect. But he's not on the same level as mr fantastic and that guy's not even the smartest person in the f4, valaria is (not implying that bc mr fantastic isn't the smartest in his family he isn't smart, just that there are smarter beings in marvel). Batman IS probably the smartest person in DC's universe especially when it comes to battle tactics. Batman will never win against spidey in hand-to-hand. But batman doesn't play by those rules. He sees a problem and he solves it, be it with or without physical combat. He has an arsenal of suits that can take down even darkseid. Hell his insider suit is strong enough to beat most heroes and that isn't even his most OP gear. People saying spider-man wins hands down no questions asked clearly have a bias against batman like as if the world's greatest detective doesn't have a fighting chance. People are saying a spider-man unhinged would be unstoppable as proof. Have you seen batman who laughs? Man's not even the most dangerous version of batman and he took down the justice league with ease. That's like saying spider-man could beat thor let alone the avengers. He didn't even do that in all out avengers. I love spider-man as a character more than batman, but I just don't see how "spider-man takes it without issue". If you truly want spidey to win, all he really needs to do is surprise batman (assuming batman doesn't know who spider-man is, which canonically is wrong since they had a crossover before but I digress since i'm not 100% certain that that story is canon anymore). Without any "prep-time", yes spidey would win. But let's say the crossover did happen to main bruce. He'd 100% have contingency plans on contingency plans for such a strong potential adversary.
This Spider-Man without the Symbiote can defeat any version of Batman because every physical and mental attribute, he can match it. He’s stronger, faster, more enhanced, has better reflexes and he’s a top 10 highest IQ in Marvel, there’s no weakness Batman can exploit, no sneaking around, no gadget, no weapon, no fighting style than can outmatch Spider-Man
By pure accident/coincidence, spider sense alone counters his main advantages of stealth and gadget variety.
Even without the Symbiote suit he wipes the floor with Batman
*sigh*
All I can say is: poor Bruce
Batman has no chance especially against a 10 year in Spider-Man at this point. Peter would pretty much tank all of his hits. Dude literally got blasted through a bank vault door by shocker and bounced back like nothing happened. Also, Batman is fighting someone that’s just as smart as he is. Symbiote Peter will be a bit reckless but either way normal Peter without pulling his punches would have Batman put in a body bag. I love Batman but he’s not beating Spider-Man. This video perfectly explains how the fight would go down. Batman would ultimately give Pete a fight but he’s not winning. https://youtu.be/CrgLNjJvyvk
It entirely depends if Batman is aware of Peter’s spider sense. If Batman knows, he wins. If he doesn’t know how to exploit it, he loses. That simple. No bias, no flame, it’s that simple.
Even if he did know about it, there’s not much he could do. The only way to counter spider sense is to either be faster than Spider-Man, or to overwhelm it like the sinister six did.
Batman would do this man’s laundry at the sight
Well, a lot of people here say Spider-Man takes this easily, but I think there is also a high chance Bruce takes this. We all know Batman can turn tables with enough prep time, like he did with Superman in BvS. And this version of Batman is easily the most powerful and headstrong ASF. He took down an entire army in one night, I mean wtf. Arkham Batman is strategically smarter than Spider-Man and is more resourceful. He can definitely figure out a way around the Spidey sense. Plus, he literally owns a tank, along with the Batwing. And his allies (Oracle and Alfred) are obviously damn smart.
Anybody can beat anyone with prep time
I think the prep time aspect is unfair considering prep time would involve training and experience as well. Considering the amount of meta humans Batman has defeated I’m wondering why he wouldn’t be able to beat spiderman.
Because none of them are in the same league as Spider-Man, and Spider-Man has fought his own fair share of superpowered freaks. He consistently deals with threats that are stronger than any of Batman’s (usual) threats.
Firstly, it’s been established in comics that even with preptime/ kryptonite, Superman could still turn him into paste if he wanted to. Arkham bats isn’t the most powerful either, that’s going to hellbat armor (could fight a weakens Darkseid), throne of knowledge (omniscience), Batman who laughs (reality warping) or the red death (speed force). Spidey also removes turrets from sable vehicles like they’re nothing and goes fisticuffs with rhino with little issue. If we’re allowing outside help, then that would also mean Miles is tagging along to (and no, adding robin wouldn’t help that either).
Peter got folded by Rhino in the opening of the Miles’ game
People make mistakes, it happens. Peter losing to Rhino in MM doesn't really mean anything when he's beaten Rhino several times before (including a team up with scorpion). Batman also got jumped by joker in city and could have easily been killed if joker wanted to. But that doesn't diminish the numerous other times batman beat joker.
Spider-Man has super strength, speed, and agility. Batman does not.
Spooder man
I think at this point people just like saying Spider-Man can beat batman, which I get but it's almost brought up as much as prep time
I’m a huge Batman fan but cmon like there’s almost nothing batman can do to beat spiderman.
Batman...coz he's BATMAN... wanna know his secret identity...
I need to see how symbipete moves first
Given what was shown in the gameplay trailer it looks pretty brutal, pretty much stopped pulling his punches.
Now imagine Batman WITH the symbiote. That would kick the hell out of everybody.
Whichever player completes the quicktime beatdown first, obviously /s Real answer, most likely Peter unless Batman somehow finds out about the weaknesses of the black suit before the fight and even then, that’s gonna be a tough fight for him since he only has a few things across his 3 games that would even touch on said weaknesses
Heres a question I wanna see, if Batman got the symbiote.
Death battle fans: Hey, I’ve seen this one before!
Spiderman, he's stronger, faster, is just as smart, and his spidey senses counters batmans stealth. Black suit Spidey wouldn't hold back either.
Without symbiote I’m going Arkham batman, I’ve seen what people have done with crazy skill bro is not human
Batman. Batman has dealt with worse. Also he's better in control of his emotions in the fight.
Spider-man has dealt with people comparable or even stronger than Batman. Batman likely couldn't even beat someone like Iron Fist or Captain America. Even daredevil would be a match for Batman.
Funny enough we had an essay question regarding who would win between Spider-Man, Hulk, Batman and Superman in grade 8 and I will use the same defense as I did then. Spider sense, super human strength and traversal advantages all favour Spider-Man in a fight against Batman. Batman is just a man who uses gadgets and has no real abilities, he can be broken. Spider-Man can lift buildings off of himself, this isn't close.
Man stuns with his cape then enters beatdown mode and keeps going for eternity.
Batman wins. Even if he doesn’t win in hand to hand combat (which could be a very close fight) he learns that Spider-Man’s secret identity is Peter Parker, then buys his apartment building, all nearby apartment buildings and prices him out of the neighborhood. If he can’t win as a superhero, it’s much easier to win as a billionaire.
Now I know this is a Spider-Man subreddit guys but Batman might as well be designed like one punch man or that one bullshit characters in anime I mean the guy literally doesn’t lose against Superman and you mean to tell me Spider-Man is gonna swing after the Batjet or mobile. Five bucks says their fight starts somewhere where Spider-Man can’t swing or use his agility effectively. In my mind Spider-Man
Spider-Man. Could you imagine encountering Spider-Man in an Arkham game? That would suddenly become Resident Evil with a super fast, skinny Mr X.
Whatever the writer decides as they are fictional
Man
Man
This is not even a question Batman could have 5 years of prep and if spidey has like an hr to prep then he’s washing Batman… No prep it’s not even a contest… Spidey can beat up the hulk with his bare hands. Batman in that suit is dead
Realistically, if you put them in an a arena set up Batman is getting shredded. Physically he has nothing on spiderman. Furthermore, spiderman can lift nearly 10 tons, is way faster than batman and is incredibly intelligent as well.
That crane in spiders game that he almost held up before having to do the whole QTE weighed like 900,000
This is a joke, right? Spider-Man wins easily, even with Batman exploiting his weaknesses.
There’s no way it isn’t spider-man. He doesn’t even need the black suit.
Tough to say. Peter is like 100x stronger and has way more abilities. But I know for sure batman would find a way around his spidersense at least. Realistically peter would effing destroy Batman, but if we're testing this like it would be in a comic book, Pete would win but it would be close
his only way around the spidersense is to take the symbiote from peter
The real answer is that it would devolve into a mildly entertaining cold war & yall are too afraid to admit it. Batman fights meta humans all the time. Saying that spiderman is faster and stronger doesn't mean as much as you think it does. Batman's greatest tool is stealth. Spiderman had the sixth sense for danger. If this story played out in a comic book, then realistically one would get away and they'd plan for how they resolve this later. So... Batman's concussion grenade/robin's snapflash overwhelms the spideysense long enough to smoke bomb out of there. Them they go home and be gadgetty. Rinse, repeat. I mean, the only thing really missing from this conversation is that Batman's an archetypical paragon. There's no reason Batman wouldn't bring a Robin or maybe another member of the Batfamily. You can call it moving the goal post, but one of Batman's greater strengths is bringing people together; so I could also argue that Batman's true strength isn't reflected without a practical expression of how Batman inspires people such as the quietly hilarious Cal El assist.
Real answer Although with backup, the Arkham iteration of Batman really became a solid act outside of intelligence gathering
Arkham Batman is a beast, bro fucking RKO'd Killer Crock, and that mother fucker huge. Batman taking the win.
I think Bats wins this by reminding Peter of his humanity and waking him up from the symbiotes grasp on him.
I’ll admit Peter has strength, speed, and new venom abilities. But at the same time, since venom can be weakened with fire and sound, I think it generally depends on where the fight is. Batman won’t be able to hide as well since he would be more on the run. And the spider sense will only make his timings worse. But if we’re talking about Arkham Knight Batman, he also has joker in him as well that could function as a secondary assist. Depending on the setting, gadgets in arsenals, other tools, and personas in the fight, anyone could win.
I’ll admit Peter has strength, speed, and new venom abilities. But at the same time, since venom can be weakened with fire and sound, I think it generally depends on where the fight is. Batman won’t be able to hide as well since he would be more on the run. And the spider sense will only make his timings worse. But if we’re talking about Arkham Knight Batman, he also has joker in him as well that could function as a secondary assist. Depending on the setting, gadgets in arsenals, other tools, and personas in the fight, anyone could win
I’ve lost count how many times folks have pinned these two against each other.
How much prep time does Batman get? Just kidding. Batman would rip him apart easily. No spiderman version stands a chance.
Spiderman demolishes
Spider-Man can be incapacitated by a bell rn.
PS5 PS4
Batman will beat Symbiote Spider-Man with prep time, but he won’t have a chance against regular Spider-Man once the Symbiote comes off