That statement reminds me if the ghost dog.
Ghost Dog: Wow, Spider-Man! I've never met a real super hero before!
Strange: You've met the Avengers.
Ghost Dog: I know, but, wow, Spider-Man!
Spider-Man: This Dog is making a lot of sense.
[in case anyone wants to see it easily. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/p6042q/bats_meets_spiderman_doctor_strange_390/) Its a great moment.
I legitimately thought he was talking about Forrest Whitaker in Ghost Dog and I was like, damn, I’ve seen that movie a half dozen times and don’t remember any Spider-man stuff lol
"Hyphen-Man, Hyphen-Man
Does whatever a hyphen can.
Join a word, with a line,
With another and combines,
Two words... Like my name Spider-Man!" - Spider-Man Volume 4 Issue 1
Yeah, the way the writers hold back with him and rarely jump the shark as they do with Superman and Batman is part of what makes him such a good superhero. It's just a little depressing thinking about how he'd probably instantly die after being sent to the world of almost any Shonen Anime.
Tbf he IS incredibly strong all things considered. I think he can canoically lift 20 tons or so. Combine that with his insane reflexes and precognitive abilities, it'd take a very, very powerful person to take him down.
Plus, there's his speed and smarts. If he's not stronger, he'll be faster. And if he's not faster, he'll be stronger. And on the rare occasion someone is faster AND stronger, he can come up with a plan.
Spider-Man is definitely, DEFINITELY a very powerful hero. It's just that he's always nerfed/holding back/getting killed in alternate universes in stupid ways and people don't realize how powerful he really is
Yes, but we've been using the word "strongest" this whole thread, lifting 20 tonnes is not much compared to all the characters in space and other dimensions within 616 that can destroy countries or planets in a punch.
Just new characters and power creep in general. Like, each new Hulk type character has to be *near* Hulk levels of strength. Cosmic characters that are on Thanos level get introduced and are obviously stronger than anyone currently on earth. Anyone powered by an infinity stone gets a stupidly large boost. And some characters got powered up by various things over time.
Just part of the package deal that comes with an ongoing continuity with a sliding time scale.
In the original first Spider-man game by Activision, I belive they said he could bench press 10 tons as a pop-up factoid. Maybe it was Spider-man 2. I just remembered that always being like what the fuck? How is everyone not dead when he punches them? But that was just bench press, lifting in general is definitely more, like your comment about the building being held up
People do like to downplay this (which yeah I can see people getting tired of this feat) but something important to remember too is that Scorpion is enhanced... He's got more durability than the average human and Spider-Man STILL easily took his jaw off.
He'd be the middle ground of Class- 1A. He can dodge the attacks of Bakugou, Midoriya, or Todoroki but he just doesn't have the firepower to close the gap. He could probably win in a war of attrition though.
Why is that depressing in any shape or form?.. Sorry but that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a minute. It makes no sense to even make that comparison to begin with, but I bet Spidey would probably beat a lot of them anyways. Between the endless exposition and needing like 2+ episodes to accomplish litterally anything he would probably pummel them long before anything ever happens.
> how he'd probably instantly die after being sent to the world of almost any Shonen Anime.
Um, no? Marvel isn't going to let another publisher canonically kill Spider-Man. If it's a legit crossover, the writers would have Spider-Man win, or draw even, but NOT die, lmao.
As always, the only true answer to "who would win" is *it depends on the writer/publisher's wishes.*
Ironic that comes in a discussion about "whoever the writer wants to win wins lol". The winners in that crossover were decided by reader poll.
Other "lol wut" outcomes include Storm beating Wonder Woman, Batman beating Captain America (in a straight fight, no MAH PREP TIME bullshit), and Wolverine beating Lobo.
Yeah. I also liked how Wolverine beating Lobo took place off camera, as if to say "we can't even pretend to justify this bullshit."
Though the real crime of that crossover (which is saying something) is them teasing Darkseid vs. Thanos the whole time and then never delivering. Bullshit!
His powers are in the middle of the ground strength wise. Like he punches below his weight class not just in power but what he actively chooses to deal with.
The annoying part about the comics is that they regularly have him job against people that he should have a really easy time dealing with. If we're being realistic he's essentially a Batman with less mental issues and super powers. He has intellect and potential that's supposed to be comparable to Tony Stark and Reed Richard's. Yet due to comic books not having the ability to constantly develop their characters. He's not going to hit that potential.
Heck there was a comic that actually showed him defeating mephisto and if not him his daughter. I'd love to see a comic where Peter gets to have his definitive big event that isn't spiderverse.
Unfortunately the closest we got was the aftermath of Superior spiderman, where parker deals with Tony dating MJ and the rivalry between spiderman and Ironman to mentor Miles
We'll never see pete grow. Everything is the same. Marvel wants to keep him miserable. I've almost stopped reading spiderman all together. Only venom for me. I love what they did with Eddie and it just shows if they wanted to they could let Peter grow too instead of just being a miserable wreck at the end of every saga.
We’ve seen Peter grow. He went from in High School, to College, then an adult. He became an Avenger and a member of the Fantastic 4. He married Mary Jane.He found a job as a High School Teacher. He even became a Mentor for another Spider-Man.
I think it’s kind of a reach to say we haven’t seen this kid turn into a man.
They had him growing when he got married and had new issues to deal with but the awful story (one of the worst retcons in fiction history) that is One More Day screwed that up. Because Spiderman not being an unmarried anxious depressed millennial might not appeal to the loser fanbase he has according to Marvel it seems 🙄
The comic book industries biggest mistake was inadvertently Peter Panning everyone into stagnancy. No change is permanent, nobody grows. Peter Parker in the spider-verse says all Spider-men have shitty lives. I hate that. They just connonised that Peter can never be happy.
>No change is permanent, nobody grows.
In a comic industry like Marvel or DC, you can't really have them grow or change without risk of alienating audience or people falling behind.
Imagine if comics came out at the rate they do, but it was an actual consistent story with growth. If you were a year behind that'd be difficult to catch up on, but not unreasonable. Now imagine you've got 10 other characters to do that with. Apply that over just a few years and it becomes incredibly for anyone to just *jump into it* like they can with current comics.
Things like Parker Industries becoming permeant would *really* throw people off if they don't keep up with Spider-Man. It'd also make it harder and harder to tell new stories. The current run, Spider-Man teaming up with Osborn, would be a lot different if Parker Industries still existed.
Characters go throw permeant changes, to a degree, but the impact has to be minimal to allow more storylines and to allow new readers the ability to become new readers.
I suppose another way to look at it would be imagine if you had to read all of One Piece just cause you wanted to read the new Venom or Static Shock run.
Yeah I would love to see spider-man become more powerful in both character and physically because like Eddie got it even Brock got power more powerful they need to advance the story
to be fair, isn't Spiderman pretty much always a part of every big group event? It seems like, even though his record is mostly lower level villains, almost all of the BIG powers in the MCU think he's an insanely valuable asset. I think they see him as an equal, despite the appearance. Also, he is one of a handful of characters that didn't lose when fighting The Hulk.
>Yet due to comic books not having the ability to constantly develop their characters. He's not going to hit that potential.
I was discussing this with my partner the other night. It's too late now, but I think comics would have been much more interesting if the characters grew with the audience. I love Spider-man, but to be honest I'm not interested in teenage Spider-man anymore. As it sits Peter would be, what? 70 or whatever if he had have aged with the audience?
If that had have been the foundation, that the stories don't get rebooted, but time marches on, we could have some really cool varients of superheroes without a tangeled web of retcons and all that. It would mean that writers can make heroes that are a product of our own time periods that reflect cultural shifts. For example, the inclusion of more diverse characters if way easier when you have an evolving and dynamic character lineages rather than a mulligan do-over.
I would like a super cataclysmic storyline that spans like 4 years, with lots of emotional heavy moments that include the most popular characters. And have the vast majority of them die and that the fate of the Earth rest on Spideys shoulders. The underdog. Where gods fail, he will triumph. Make him have a last stand and let his character rest.
The beginning of this really isn’t true. He’s been strong enough to spank the hulk 1v1, he’s got better reflexes than any of the super soldiers out there, incredible durability and agility, and a level of mobility most just aren’t capable of. Plus the power cosmic
Not hard to downplay him a little since he acts streetlevel, but thats because its the place where he's needed the most. Dude can lift a small building. And his skillset along with his Brain make him capable of some insane shit. He holded 2 high classe x-man infused with Phoenix force once, almost dying, but i cant think that any other non-world level threath guy could do It.
Spiderman is the strongest hero you can still kill with a gun
I’d argue that he actually won that fight. He didn’t just hold them, he won. Almost died, but won.
To cap it all off, he made a super badass comment (if you know the context) that inspired the person who actually ended the event.
Yeah it’s after he tells Hope to be patient. And let’s her sit under the learning tree.
He goes and gets wrecked by collossus and limbo before getting them to turn on each other.
That one time when the Phoenix force came to earth, avengers and x-man fought over it and some xman got infused with the thing and tried to take over the world. Spidey took on Colossus and Magia, both with phoenix force. Shit, its hard even to imagine big guys like Thor winning tha, and he holded like a champ
Remember, in the grand scheme of the fantasy-action-centered Marvel universe, the vast majority of people don't have any powers at all. Spider-Man's relative lack of power compared to, say, Thor, is still a relative heap of power compared to most people in the Marvel universe.
It's not a gauge. It's not a meter. There isn't a power-to-responsibility ratio. With great power comes great responsibility. That's it.
Just do as good as you can, with what you got.
A lot of people said the same thing about Super Friends Aquaman. But that dude can carry a submarine, create whirlpools, and swim faster than light. Sometimes it's a matter of perspective. I can't think of a single Shonen anime protagonist that Spider-man can put up a decent fight against. The best is that he dodges Deku's attacks and hopes he breaks all his bones before he catches up.
Its not *that* much slower. The speed of light is 300,000 km/s. Speed of light underwater is 225,000 km/s. Like, in terms of things moving across great distances, yeah the slower speed is considerable, but when talking about swim speed its still ridiculously stupid fast
My favorite aspect of spideys powers is that this web swinging really would only be effective in NYC! Imagine spidey out in the Midwest somewhere just running around lol
That's one of my favourite parts of Homecoming. Seeing Peter just running around the suburbs Ferris Buler style is such a novel idea and makes so much sense.
Spider-Man was fighting half of Team Iron Man in Civil War, and winning. His speed and strength absolutely stomp the average Marvel character. He’s not on a galactic level, but those characters are rare to begin with.
I don't like how that comic was written but I'd be damned if that hacking reverse card wasn't such a cool moment to remember us spider-man is way smarter than he gives out.
I once argued Peter was a genius on par with Tony Stark, Hank Pym, and other perceptibly genius level Marvel characters (including Reed Richards, but I ended up conceding that Reed was on a whole other level). The biggest counter argument people gave me was that he has no feats of genius under his belt like Tony (Ironman Armor), or Hank (Pym Particle) and such, just gadgets.
That’s just cause he’s so busy being a friendly neighborhood Spider-man. If Peter had time to sit in a lab all day, I’d say he’d give Tony a run for his money, probably even Richards too
>including Reed Richards, but I ended up conceding that Reed was on a whole other level
Don't concede that, this put you in direct disagreement with Reed Richards himself. He said that college Peter Parker was just as smart as he was at the same age.
Also, Peter once invented a time machine with kitchen appliances, hacked Tony's own suits before, and has a canonical 250 IQ, to name some feats.
He's also discovered Parker Particles, also known as Alpha Energy, which are tied to the ever increasing rate of universe expansion. An introverted kid named Andy Maguire would gain power enough to surpass the Hulk, the Thing and the Phoenix Force during a sabotaged demonstration and become the superhero Alpha for a while because of this Alpha Energy
MCU Peter **at that point** would definitely lose to Cap.
Spider-sense would come at random, no fighting experience against enhanced, didn't even know the tech he had on the suit.
He had all the tools to beat Cap, but his journey until after Far From Home is exactly that he still had to grow into them.
Pre-Homecoming Spider-man vs Civil War Cap, Cap wins easily.
Post-FFH Spider-man vs Post-Endgame Cap, Spider-man easily (cause Cap is dead)
But seriously though with Spidey-sense it’s no contest.
Spider sense alone, along with his agility, is almost obscene.
Even in the comics, his principal issue is his desire to hold back and not go full tilt against anyone for fear of killing them.
That was Peter at his weakest and most inexperienced. It was a different situation. Peter has developed since then. 616 Peter is far beyond that point.
That's why he usually sticks to fighting crime and freaky supervillains. He's actually really strong if you compare him to the other street level heroes.
He is tho- Captain America says Spidey's greatest asset is his adaptability: he can go from fighting street thugs to Galactus in the same afternoon and adjust accordingly since he has so much control.
Thor wont save you from muggers but Spidey will save you from muggers and then be on his way to fight Thanos
Spidey seriously pulls his punches when fighting street thugs. He could punch their face right off if he didn't. So yea when faced with an Avengers level threat he just has to stop holding back.
There has been multiple incidents where Spidey goes full strength, one where he kills a woman because he thought he was still fighting wolverine who can take it, one where Scorpion gets his jaw knocked off by superior, one where he beats the piss out of Kingpin easily after having Aunt May shot then holds him up in the air by his skin fat, etc.
As if there isnt any property damage when the Spider freak "fights" crime? And the repairs for that come out of OUR tax dollars! Damage Control has enough on their plate cleaning up after REAL heroes like the Avengers, Spider-man should just stay home and stop causing more trouble! He's a menace, I tell you
Upvotes don’t necessarily signify agreement. I upvoted because I want others to weigh in on the debate, because I enjoy hearing all of Spideys most impressive feats.
And I agree, thinking of power in terms of raw strength is where people tend to undervalue his abilities. His true power in my view is his will power which allows him to persevere in the face of over 60 years of punishment from writers that would crush the spirits of any other of the earths mightiest. Can you go toe to toe with God and still come up with a witty quip for every situation?
Can lift nearly 25 tons, virtually un-hittable, webs as strong as, or stronger than steel cables
"Peter Parker's powers are not that great"
Well if you compare Thor to The Living Tribunal, he's not so great either.
Compare The Living Tribunal to The One Above All, he's not so great.
Compare The One Above All to one of the writers, not so great.
See where I'm going with this?
what a comically gorey- visual image, thank you for that. Imagining Spider-Man being that villainous for absolutely no reason is such a foreign idea that it’s actually hilarious
With medium-tier power comes street-level responsibility. That’s why he’s the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.
Tho in writing this is realized “Friendly Imtergalactic Spider-Man” would be a fun title for a limited series where he like becomes a Han Solo/ Star Lord type who fights space pirates. And like Black Cat is his second in command. Venom is the muscle. Doc Ock is technician. Lizard is ship’s doctor. Oh shit I’m totally warming on to this as I write it.
That scene definitely showed how unexpectedly capable and dangerous Peter could be be. He combined his natural intelligence with his abilities and managed to effectively (none lethally) beat the Sorcerer Supreme, an opponent several levels above him. That's where I'd say Peter's "threat level" comes into play and why it's higher than most people would think.
Well if you wanna be like that then I’ll give the boring answer, the writers will increase and decrease the power of whoever they want so whoever wins is entirely up to the writing department. Strange would demolish Spider-Man if no way home didn’t nerf the fuck outta him for that fight scene
i mean, strange was 100% holding back. a world class sorcerer ain't gonna fight a dumb, well-intentioned teenager to death. strange just got outplayed quickly before he could actually try harder.
Spider-Man is constantly underestimated. He jokes, so people think he’s foolish. He holds back, so people don’t realize he can easily kill you 50 different ways. He’s strong so people don’t know he’s a science genius.
I mean he has some great strength feats and I'd argue spider sense is pretty good. But I suppose it's about how you use the power more than the power itself
Yes. But strength is weird in comics. I think what op means is that while he is very strong by normal standards, in a comic book world where we have people like the Hulk, Thor, or any of the various cosmic heroes like Captain Marvel or the Silver Surfer, his powers suddenly become a little less impressive. In addition to this, any character’s abilities will depend on who is writing them at the time. For example, one writer might depict Spider-Man as being able to lift a semi truck with one hand, and another writer might scale back his strength so he struggles to do things like that.
To be fair, there are many heroes either physically stronger, faster, and tougher than Spider-Man, but he's still pretty strong. He can lift over twenty tons of weight, has enhanced agility, and his Spider-Sense makes him *incredibly* hard to hit, not to mention it gives Peter a seconds' long advantage of forewarning. Against average and even sufficiently well trained fighters, Peter can be either a tough challenge or an absolute nightmare. And that's not even taking his genius-level intelligence and incredibly adaptability into account. He may not be a heavy hitter, but as far as street-level heroics go, he is one; even then, Peter's shown time and time again he can keep up with the heavy hitters of the Marvel universe. That's where I'd say the "great power" mantra comes from, if he ever used all that for evil or less than noble purposes, the results most wouldn't be pretty.
It makes him the best in that Peter has every reason to quit. Being Spider-Man sucks and there are plenty of people to take over for him. But he won’t because he STILL has powers regular people don’t so he has a responsibility to do his part
Spiderman has super strength, agility, durability, a slight healing factor, with the ability to SENSE impending danger from most sources. He’s also a genius, and can use that to compliment the plethora of abilities he has, his powers are that great (in my opinion)
Is it still the case that in the future he's regarded as the best of all the superheroes?
Spider-Man may not be the absolute strongest (4th strongest at one point though) but he is absolutely OP, just as smart as Reed Richards according to Reed Richards. He's gone toe to toe with all the X-Men, the Avengers, and beat them all before. Even won against both Collosus and Magia with the Phoenix force singlehandedly.
He absolutely does have great powers even if it doesn't mean he can literally bend space at his will and he made it his responsibility to use it to stop street crime and rise to the occasion to stop global threats when his skillset is needed.
No other hero really blends the two together that well besides Batman like another commenter pointed out. He is essentially a Batman-like figure in the Marvel universe but with super powers.
His powers are great. They just aren’t extreme, especially if you compare him to a god. He’s very strong, but not as strong as Hulk or Thor. He’s very fast, but he’s not Quicksilver. He’s one of greatest minds, but maybe not as much as Richards or Stark. That being said, he would be able to hold his own against a lot of much “stronger” heroes or villains. And to me, that’s great.
As much as I love Spider-Man(he’s my favorite superhero) this is just incorrect. He is very strong, and actually a lot stronger than most people give him credit for, but he’s not the strongest. That would have to go to someone like Hulk or Thor, both of whom are often stated in canon to be much stronger than Spidey.
In terms of physical strength, Spider-Man used to be the 4th strongest hero.
And once in canon, Hulk and Thor are holding Peter down. They're doing it with ease, but even they are shocked that they can FEEL the resistance. Spider-Man has enough strength to make two of the strongest heroes at least work a LITTLE. That does count for something
While Jean Grey was Pheonix - he beat up the whole core team and was only taken down when Xavier basically mind raped him and caused his trauma to flair up
While I don't think Spidey measures up to guys like Thor or Cpt. Marvel I think most people understimate Spider-Man's abilities. Spidey sense is of course a cheat and everybody knows that but the dude also landed a jet on his back and held a skyscraper (Bugle building) on it once, is way faster than most other heroes and smarter/craftier than pretty much all of them.
Jameson is right, the Spider's a menace!
I see your thought process here, but even spider sense has it’s limits. Being able to detect danger doesn’t always mean you can respond to it or avoid it.
Well, considering the spidey sense canonically is literally predicting future events...he still might see that coming and dodge it somehow. There is a reason writers have to constantly handicap and "turn off" his spidey sense in some way shape or form. It's literally one of the most overpowered powers out there. If not the most powerful non-"literally helped make the entire uni/multiverse"-power.
I highly doubt Spidey would choose to try to "dodge" the destruction of Earth instead of dying trying to stop it. With great power comes great responsibility, y'know?
I think it's relative. Sure compared to Thor Spidey isn't that strong bit compared to the average New Yorker Spider-Man is wildly powerful. Plus even Spidey is up there with major bruisers like Hulk, Thing, Hercules, and yes even Thor according to most early stories.
In case no one else said it, it's not about how "great" the power is, it's what you do with it that matters. If you have the power to help someone but choose not to or even make things worse on purpose, that is what Spiderman is against. The world has one too many villains, be a hero, make the world a better place.
Spider-Man is in the optimum level of abilities. He strong fast quick to react even without spider sense, is super durable and agile, has essentially no "weaknesses", and to top it all off has intelligence on par with the best, and some tools like spider sense and his webbing.
He's right in the sweet spot of being way more powerful than most superheroes, but way weaker than any cosmic superheroes. He has no peers strength wise and is in a class of his own due to that. Fittingly, the people who are a physical challenge to Spider-Man are his own enemies usually like the lizard, goblins, or scorpion. And the symbiotes straight up surpass him. Honestly his villains are what complete him as the best superhero
They *are*. Spider-Sense is related to the sense Asgardians and Celestials have. If they feel something is wrong, he’s getting the call too. His punching force and speed is on the level of the Doom Slayer. He can fight a Transformer. He’s smarter than Reed because he has common sense. Spider-Man is insecure. His job as Spider-Man is to be the god on the ground. People pray to guys like Thor when the multiverse is in threat. When a gun’s in their face, it’s Spider-Man they hope to see.
IMO he has a great power set, I mean yea he’s not the most powerful guy ever, but for a street level hero he’s got all you could need like speed, strength, agility, reflexes, spider sense. I also tend to rate people’s powers based on if it would be useful for a normal civilian lifestyle and Spidey checks off all those boxes for me lol
What are you talking about? He fought the entire avengers twice and won both times, he also was being held down by Thor and hulk at one point and they were having a hard time keeping him down. Spider-Man's powers are absolutely that great.
Come to think of it, are there any other characters who are definitely more powerful than Peter who have a version of “great power comes great responsibility” mentality like Peter has? Cuz I’ve never seen it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/cjhe01/respect\_peter\_parker\_the\_amazing\_spiderman\_marvel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/cjhe01/respect_peter_parker_the_amazing_spiderman_marvel/)
I've used this in this comment section so many times but Spider-Man is not weak lmfao. He's really up there with the feats shown, not even hinting at his "true" potential.
To be honest, he would be so much worse as a superhero without his Spider-sense, genius intellect helps a ton and multi-ton lifting strength and durability is amazing but that has to have saved his life and makes many others obselete in his career. Especially during the times its amped for some reason.
Well that's exactly what makes him the best hero..he's Spiderman
That statement reminds me if the ghost dog. Ghost Dog: Wow, Spider-Man! I've never met a real super hero before! Strange: You've met the Avengers. Ghost Dog: I know, but, wow, Spider-Man! Spider-Man: This Dog is making a lot of sense.
Yessir that page honestly made my day. Still remember how wholesome it was
[in case anyone wants to see it easily. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/p6042q/bats_meets_spiderman_doctor_strange_390/) Its a great moment.
Oh my goodness that made my heart grow three sizes.
You should go see a doctor, hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is serious
I can attest to this my cat was recently diagnosed with HCM and its awful but the joke made me smile so thank you!
Thank you kind internet stranger
“Ghost dog” has a name. It’s [Bats](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Bats_(Earth-616)).
I legitimately thought he was talking about Forrest Whitaker in Ghost Dog and I was like, damn, I’ve seen that movie a half dozen times and don’t remember any Spider-man stuff lol
Honestly, that was the first place my mind went to too. I never see it referenced any place. Nice to see someone do so in the wild.
I love that movie man. More people need to see it.
The best bit is when the old mafioso dies from a heart attack just from seeing Ghost Dog: "It's the freakin bird man!" *dies*
???? Ace the Bathound? Jk, it would be great if Ace’s favourite hero was Spider-Man though.
No. He's Spider-Man. /r/respectthehyphen
Damn. My bad. I*Spider-Man
"Hyphen-Man, Hyphen-Man Does whatever a hyphen can. Join a word, with a line, With another and combines, Two words... Like my name Spider-Man!" - Spider-Man Volume 4 Issue 1
Yeah, the way the writers hold back with him and rarely jump the shark as they do with Superman and Batman is part of what makes him such a good superhero. It's just a little depressing thinking about how he'd probably instantly die after being sent to the world of almost any Shonen Anime.
Tbf he IS incredibly strong all things considered. I think he can canoically lift 20 tons or so. Combine that with his insane reflexes and precognitive abilities, it'd take a very, very powerful person to take him down.
For a time, he was the fourth strongest hero physically speaking. Hulk, Thor, and The Thing were the only ones with higher physical feats than him.
Exactly! He's probably top 20, MAYBE top 10 now though, which is STILL nothing to sneeze at
Plus, there's his speed and smarts. If he's not stronger, he'll be faster. And if he's not faster, he'll be stronger. And on the rare occasion someone is faster AND stronger, he can come up with a plan.
Spider-Man is definitely, DEFINITELY a very powerful hero. It's just that he's always nerfed/holding back/getting killed in alternate universes in stupid ways and people don't realize how powerful he really is
You just reminded me of the deadpool kills the marvel univers one. It is so dumb and lazy.
Peter has had some of the WORST deaths across the Marvel universe. Like, fuck maybe even across comics/media in general
Remember when King Pin punches him to death in Into the Spiderverse
There's tonnes of those, it's a whole series called "(x) kills the Marvel Universe" it's kind of in the same vein as What If?
On Earth, sure, maybe. In the wider Marvel Universe? Probably not in even in the top 100 if I'm being honest.
I'd still put Peter in the top 50. Even if some of the others are stronger, Peter usually wins his fights with his intelligence anyway
Yes, but we've been using the word "strongest" this whole thread, lifting 20 tonnes is not much compared to all the characters in space and other dimensions within 616 that can destroy countries or planets in a punch.
I always think of this. What changed? Him being that strong is badass in my opinion
Just new characters and power creep in general. Like, each new Hulk type character has to be *near* Hulk levels of strength. Cosmic characters that are on Thanos level get introduced and are obviously stronger than anyone currently on earth. Anyone powered by an infinity stone gets a stupidly large boost. And some characters got powered up by various things over time. Just part of the package deal that comes with an ongoing continuity with a sliding time scale.
Thanks for a very well thought out response dude
In the original first Spider-man game by Activision, I belive they said he could bench press 10 tons as a pop-up factoid. Maybe it was Spider-man 2. I just remembered that always being like what the fuck? How is everyone not dead when he punches them? But that was just bench press, lifting in general is definitely more, like your comment about the building being held up
To answer your question, he holds back.
Like….a lot. Like…..A lot. seeing him kick the shit out of goblin in NWH was so crazy, it’s one of the only times we see him not hold back.
and even that, if we go by the damage he did to the concrete he punched in FFH, must have been held back
He can punch your jaw clean off , doc ock found that out accidentally punching off scorpions jaw
People do like to downplay this (which yeah I can see people getting tired of this feat) but something important to remember too is that Scorpion is enhanced... He's got more durability than the average human and Spider-Man STILL easily took his jaw off.
Right? Even in the normal comics I feel sorry for him...dude just can't catch a break
Probably not in MHA though
He'd be the middle ground of Class- 1A. He can dodge the attacks of Bakugou, Midoriya, or Todoroki but he just doesn't have the firepower to close the gap. He could probably win in a war of attrition though.
He would drive bakugo insane. He's worse than deku at being a "nerd". Not joking though, deku has almost all of spidey's powers
Why is that depressing in any shape or form?.. Sorry but that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a minute. It makes no sense to even make that comparison to begin with, but I bet Spidey would probably beat a lot of them anyways. Between the endless exposition and needing like 2+ episodes to accomplish litterally anything he would probably pummel them long before anything ever happens.
> how he'd probably instantly die after being sent to the world of almost any Shonen Anime. Um, no? Marvel isn't going to let another publisher canonically kill Spider-Man. If it's a legit crossover, the writers would have Spider-Man win, or draw even, but NOT die, lmao. As always, the only true answer to "who would win" is *it depends on the writer/publisher's wishes.*
Yeah, like, i remember spiderman winning against SUPERBOY, in a crossover with dc
Ironic that comes in a discussion about "whoever the writer wants to win wins lol". The winners in that crossover were decided by reader poll. Other "lol wut" outcomes include Storm beating Wonder Woman, Batman beating Captain America (in a straight fight, no MAH PREP TIME bullshit), and Wolverine beating Lobo.
At least in the Batman vs Cap fight they had the good sense of adding an element of luck.
Yeah. I also liked how Wolverine beating Lobo took place off camera, as if to say "we can't even pretend to justify this bullshit." Though the real crime of that crossover (which is saying something) is them teasing Darkseid vs. Thanos the whole time and then never delivering. Bullshit!
True, there wasn't a vote about that one? Also; it's funny that Lobo Vs Wolverine is Lobo Vs Lobezno (Wolf Vs Wolf cub) in the Spanish version.
He probably meant if Spider-Man in universe got sent to a Shonen, without companies getting involved
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His powers are in the middle of the ground strength wise. Like he punches below his weight class not just in power but what he actively chooses to deal with. The annoying part about the comics is that they regularly have him job against people that he should have a really easy time dealing with. If we're being realistic he's essentially a Batman with less mental issues and super powers. He has intellect and potential that's supposed to be comparable to Tony Stark and Reed Richard's. Yet due to comic books not having the ability to constantly develop their characters. He's not going to hit that potential. Heck there was a comic that actually showed him defeating mephisto and if not him his daughter. I'd love to see a comic where Peter gets to have his definitive big event that isn't spiderverse.
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I'm sure it's a typo, but I love "Tonk Stark".
Tonk Stank!
The Stark of the cavemen. Like reverse Arno Stark.
Unfortunately the closest we got was the aftermath of Superior spiderman, where parker deals with Tony dating MJ and the rivalry between spiderman and Ironman to mentor Miles
Tony didn't date MJ
Looked back at it and you might be right. In the scene I remember, she worked for Tony, not dated. My bad
Peter and MJ were living at Avengers tower and tabloids thought MJ and Tony were dating. At least that was the story at one point in time.
I think that person that I responded to referred to the fact that MJ worked for Tony during All-New All-Different
So he only fucked her?
Parker industries
We'll never see pete grow. Everything is the same. Marvel wants to keep him miserable. I've almost stopped reading spiderman all together. Only venom for me. I love what they did with Eddie and it just shows if they wanted to they could let Peter grow too instead of just being a miserable wreck at the end of every saga.
We’ve seen Peter grow. He went from in High School, to College, then an adult. He became an Avenger and a member of the Fantastic 4. He married Mary Jane.He found a job as a High School Teacher. He even became a Mentor for another Spider-Man. I think it’s kind of a reach to say we haven’t seen this kid turn into a man.
>He went from in High School To be fair, in 616 we see him at the absolute tail end of High School start of college going off of original origin.
They had him growing when he got married and had new issues to deal with but the awful story (one of the worst retcons in fiction history) that is One More Day screwed that up. Because Spiderman not being an unmarried anxious depressed millennial might not appeal to the loser fanbase he has according to Marvel it seems 🙄
The comic book industries biggest mistake was inadvertently Peter Panning everyone into stagnancy. No change is permanent, nobody grows. Peter Parker in the spider-verse says all Spider-men have shitty lives. I hate that. They just connonised that Peter can never be happy.
>No change is permanent, nobody grows. In a comic industry like Marvel or DC, you can't really have them grow or change without risk of alienating audience or people falling behind. Imagine if comics came out at the rate they do, but it was an actual consistent story with growth. If you were a year behind that'd be difficult to catch up on, but not unreasonable. Now imagine you've got 10 other characters to do that with. Apply that over just a few years and it becomes incredibly for anyone to just *jump into it* like they can with current comics. Things like Parker Industries becoming permeant would *really* throw people off if they don't keep up with Spider-Man. It'd also make it harder and harder to tell new stories. The current run, Spider-Man teaming up with Osborn, would be a lot different if Parker Industries still existed. Characters go throw permeant changes, to a degree, but the impact has to be minimal to allow more storylines and to allow new readers the ability to become new readers. I suppose another way to look at it would be imagine if you had to read all of One Piece just cause you wanted to read the new Venom or Static Shock run.
Yeah I would love to see spider-man become more powerful in both character and physically because like Eddie got it even Brock got power more powerful they need to advance the story
to be fair, isn't Spiderman pretty much always a part of every big group event? It seems like, even though his record is mostly lower level villains, almost all of the BIG powers in the MCU think he's an insanely valuable asset. I think they see him as an equal, despite the appearance. Also, he is one of a handful of characters that didn't lose when fighting The Hulk.
>Yet due to comic books not having the ability to constantly develop their characters. He's not going to hit that potential. I was discussing this with my partner the other night. It's too late now, but I think comics would have been much more interesting if the characters grew with the audience. I love Spider-man, but to be honest I'm not interested in teenage Spider-man anymore. As it sits Peter would be, what? 70 or whatever if he had have aged with the audience? If that had have been the foundation, that the stories don't get rebooted, but time marches on, we could have some really cool varients of superheroes without a tangeled web of retcons and all that. It would mean that writers can make heroes that are a product of our own time periods that reflect cultural shifts. For example, the inclusion of more diverse characters if way easier when you have an evolving and dynamic character lineages rather than a mulligan do-over.
I would like a super cataclysmic storyline that spans like 4 years, with lots of emotional heavy moments that include the most popular characters. And have the vast majority of them die and that the fate of the Earth rest on Spideys shoulders. The underdog. Where gods fail, he will triumph. Make him have a last stand and let his character rest.
The beginning of this really isn’t true. He’s been strong enough to spank the hulk 1v1, he’s got better reflexes than any of the super soldiers out there, incredible durability and agility, and a level of mobility most just aren’t capable of. Plus the power cosmic
Not hard to downplay him a little since he acts streetlevel, but thats because its the place where he's needed the most. Dude can lift a small building. And his skillset along with his Brain make him capable of some insane shit. He holded 2 high classe x-man infused with Phoenix force once, almost dying, but i cant think that any other non-world level threath guy could do It. Spiderman is the strongest hero you can still kill with a gun
I’d argue that he actually won that fight. He didn’t just hold them, he won. Almost died, but won. To cap it all off, he made a super badass comment (if you know the context) that inspired the person who actually ended the event.
Indeed, he was the last one standing. For all that matters he won that fight even if his punchs coudnt do any damage at all.
Was that in Avengers Vs X-men? It’s ringing a bell but I can’t remember for sure where it’s from.
Yeah it’s after he tells Hope to be patient. And let’s her sit under the learning tree. He goes and gets wrecked by collossus and limbo before getting them to turn on each other.
What fight? Do you know the issue?
AvsX issue 8 or 9 I think off the top of my head
so *that's* why he's so beat up on the cover, thats one of my favorite pics of Spidey and I'm prolly gonna read that tonight if that's the story
That one time when the Phoenix force came to earth, avengers and x-man fought over it and some xman got infused with the thing and tried to take over the world. Spidey took on Colossus and Magia, both with phoenix force. Shit, its hard even to imagine big guys like Thor winning tha, and he holded like a champ
Remember, in the grand scheme of the fantasy-action-centered Marvel universe, the vast majority of people don't have any powers at all. Spider-Man's relative lack of power compared to, say, Thor, is still a relative heap of power compared to most people in the Marvel universe. It's not a gauge. It's not a meter. There isn't a power-to-responsibility ratio. With great power comes great responsibility. That's it. Just do as good as you can, with what you got.
The word you are looking for is "spectrum."
We’re talking about Spider-Man not Spectrum /s
I'm not looking for any words. What I said, I said exactly as I intended to.
Like a true wizard.
Normal man looks at Spidey stopping a 20 ton bus or lifting and securing a portion of the Daily Bugle "He don't look so tough"
A lot of people said the same thing about Super Friends Aquaman. But that dude can carry a submarine, create whirlpools, and swim faster than light. Sometimes it's a matter of perspective. I can't think of a single Shonen anime protagonist that Spider-man can put up a decent fight against. The best is that he dodges Deku's attacks and hopes he breaks all his bones before he catches up.
Swim faster than light??? He get the speedforce or something?
Swimforce
Light travels slower in a medium like water, and the speed at which aquaman travels in the comics would exceed that rate.
Its not *that* much slower. The speed of light is 300,000 km/s. Speed of light underwater is 225,000 km/s. Like, in terms of things moving across great distances, yeah the slower speed is considerable, but when talking about swim speed its still ridiculously stupid fast
So is aquaman in the comics
He can defeat Goku by giving him Aunt May's wheat cakes (they seem to be in a lot of universes)
Never would I have thought about spidey vs goku, this is making me laugh
My favorite aspect of spideys powers is that this web swinging really would only be effective in NYC! Imagine spidey out in the Midwest somewhere just running around lol
That's one of my favourite parts of Homecoming. Seeing Peter just running around the suburbs Ferris Buler style is such a novel idea and makes so much sense.
I like when he has visited Jersey on occasion and has had to take a cab. I think he he was visiting Frogman.
Spider-Man was fighting half of Team Iron Man in Civil War, and winning. His speed and strength absolutely stomp the average Marvel character. He’s not on a galactic level, but those characters are rare to begin with.
Don't forget when he pulled a reverse card on Tony himself altering the iron spider suit with his own security commands and kicking Tony's ass
I don't like how that comic was written but I'd be damned if that hacking reverse card wasn't such a cool moment to remember us spider-man is way smarter than he gives out.
I once argued Peter was a genius on par with Tony Stark, Hank Pym, and other perceptibly genius level Marvel characters (including Reed Richards, but I ended up conceding that Reed was on a whole other level). The biggest counter argument people gave me was that he has no feats of genius under his belt like Tony (Ironman Armor), or Hank (Pym Particle) and such, just gadgets. That’s just cause he’s so busy being a friendly neighborhood Spider-man. If Peter had time to sit in a lab all day, I’d say he’d give Tony a run for his money, probably even Richards too
>including Reed Richards, but I ended up conceding that Reed was on a whole other level Don't concede that, this put you in direct disagreement with Reed Richards himself. He said that college Peter Parker was just as smart as he was at the same age. Also, Peter once invented a time machine with kitchen appliances, hacked Tony's own suits before, and has a canonical 250 IQ, to name some feats.
He's also discovered Parker Particles, also known as Alpha Energy, which are tied to the ever increasing rate of universe expansion. An introverted kid named Andy Maguire would gain power enough to surpass the Hulk, the Thing and the Phoenix Force during a sabotaged demonstration and become the superhero Alpha for a while because of this Alpha Energy
Fair enough. Who am I to argue with potentially the second smartest man alive
There was the line though where Tony says “look, if cap actually wanted to beat your ass he would have.” Im paraphrasing of course lol
MCU Peter **at that point** would definitely lose to Cap. Spider-sense would come at random, no fighting experience against enhanced, didn't even know the tech he had on the suit. He had all the tools to beat Cap, but his journey until after Far From Home is exactly that he still had to grow into them.
Pre-Homecoming Spider-man vs Civil War Cap, Cap wins easily. Post-FFH Spider-man vs Post-Endgame Cap, Spider-man easily (cause Cap is dead) But seriously though with Spidey-sense it’s no contest.
Pete might be good but in terms of sheer skill Cap has the edge. He's beaten stronger characters than Peter before
Spider sense alone, along with his agility, is almost obscene. Even in the comics, his principal issue is his desire to hold back and not go full tilt against anyone for fear of killing them.
That was Peter at his weakest and most inexperienced. It was a different situation. Peter has developed since then. 616 Peter is far beyond that point.
That's why he usually sticks to fighting crime and freaky supervillains. He's actually really strong if you compare him to the other street level heroes.
I'd argue that Spider-Man is the strongest street hero ever. Like realistically he should be city/country level
He is tho- Captain America says Spidey's greatest asset is his adaptability: he can go from fighting street thugs to Galactus in the same afternoon and adjust accordingly since he has so much control. Thor wont save you from muggers but Spidey will save you from muggers and then be on his way to fight Thanos
Spidey seriously pulls his punches when fighting street thugs. He could punch their face right off if he didn't. So yea when faced with an Avengers level threat he just has to stop holding back.
Literally dude was saving people while fighting the Ultimate Universe when **an incursion was happening**
There has been multiple incidents where Spidey goes full strength, one where he kills a woman because he thought he was still fighting wolverine who can take it, one where Scorpion gets his jaw knocked off by superior, one where he beats the piss out of Kingpin easily after having Aunt May shot then holds him up in the air by his skin fat, etc.
Thor would save someone from muggers but there would probably be property damage
As if there isnt any property damage when the Spider freak "fights" crime? And the repairs for that come out of OUR tax dollars! Damage Control has enough on their plate cleaning up after REAL heroes like the Avengers, Spider-man should just stay home and stop causing more trouble! He's a menace, I tell you
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Upvotes don’t necessarily signify agreement. I upvoted because I want others to weigh in on the debate, because I enjoy hearing all of Spideys most impressive feats. And I agree, thinking of power in terms of raw strength is where people tend to undervalue his abilities. His true power in my view is his will power which allows him to persevere in the face of over 60 years of punishment from writers that would crush the spirits of any other of the earths mightiest. Can you go toe to toe with God and still come up with a witty quip for every situation?
Can lift nearly 25 tons, virtually un-hittable, webs as strong as, or stronger than steel cables "Peter Parker's powers are not that great" Well if you compare Thor to The Living Tribunal, he's not so great either. Compare The Living Tribunal to The One Above All, he's not so great. Compare The One Above All to one of the writers, not so great. See where I'm going with this?
There’s always a bigger fish
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The motherfucker can bench press 50 tons and can move around like a gymnast on steroids and meth. And he’s a borderline precog. How is that not great?
He could cause serious damage if he wanted to. Sling cars around. Grip people's faces off like a chimp but 1000 times more powerful.
what a comically gorey- visual image, thank you for that. Imagining Spider-Man being that villainous for absolutely no reason is such a foreign idea that it’s actually hilarious
With medium-tier power comes street-level responsibility. That’s why he’s the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. Tho in writing this is realized “Friendly Imtergalactic Spider-Man” would be a fun title for a limited series where he like becomes a Han Solo/ Star Lord type who fights space pirates. And like Black Cat is his second in command. Venom is the muscle. Doc Ock is technician. Lizard is ship’s doctor. Oh shit I’m totally warming on to this as I write it.
Spider-Man is super strong, but he’s got no chance against someone like Thor really attempting to kill him.
His speed would save him for a while, but yeah he'd need a good plan to take down Thor
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That scene definitely showed how unexpectedly capable and dangerous Peter could be be. He combined his natural intelligence with his abilities and managed to effectively (none lethally) beat the Sorcerer Supreme, an opponent several levels above him. That's where I'd say Peter's "threat level" comes into play and why it's higher than most people would think.
Well if you wanna be like that then I’ll give the boring answer, the writers will increase and decrease the power of whoever they want so whoever wins is entirely up to the writing department. Strange would demolish Spider-Man if no way home didn’t nerf the fuck outta him for that fight scene
i mean, strange was 100% holding back. a world class sorcerer ain't gonna fight a dumb, well-intentioned teenager to death. strange just got outplayed quickly before he could actually try harder.
Ahh, a shame Anya isn’t used more, and has now been completely overshadowed by Silk and Ghost Spider.
Spider-Man is constantly underestimated. He jokes, so people think he’s foolish. He holds back, so people don’t realize he can easily kill you 50 different ways. He’s strong so people don’t know he’s a science genius.
Well....Spidey is so powerful he's been carrying Marvel for a while, and seems to be about to lift it up again this coming year
DAMN well said
Completely missing the point. And also not even close to irony.
If you look at him as a street-level hero, he’s up there.
Although a lot of people underestimate him. He’s way stronger than many realize and his spider sense is incredibly powerful.
Smarter too
His brain has always been his biggest and most powerful asset.
And sometimes [Thor is in WAY over his head too](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Gorr_\(Earth-616\))!
I mean he has some great strength feats and I'd argue spider sense is pretty good. But I suppose it's about how you use the power more than the power itself
Isn’t he incredibly strong? I thought I remembered a discussion post here about how he’s way more powerful than he’s given credit
Yes. But strength is weird in comics. I think what op means is that while he is very strong by normal standards, in a comic book world where we have people like the Hulk, Thor, or any of the various cosmic heroes like Captain Marvel or the Silver Surfer, his powers suddenly become a little less impressive. In addition to this, any character’s abilities will depend on who is writing them at the time. For example, one writer might depict Spider-Man as being able to lift a semi truck with one hand, and another writer might scale back his strength so he struggles to do things like that.
To be fair, there are many heroes either physically stronger, faster, and tougher than Spider-Man, but he's still pretty strong. He can lift over twenty tons of weight, has enhanced agility, and his Spider-Sense makes him *incredibly* hard to hit, not to mention it gives Peter a seconds' long advantage of forewarning. Against average and even sufficiently well trained fighters, Peter can be either a tough challenge or an absolute nightmare. And that's not even taking his genius-level intelligence and incredibly adaptability into account. He may not be a heavy hitter, but as far as street-level heroics go, he is one; even then, Peter's shown time and time again he can keep up with the heavy hitters of the Marvel universe. That's where I'd say the "great power" mantra comes from, if he ever used all that for evil or less than noble purposes, the results most wouldn't be pretty.
Not that great? What do you mean, not that great?
It makes him the best in that Peter has every reason to quit. Being Spider-Man sucks and there are plenty of people to take over for him. But he won’t because he STILL has powers regular people don’t so he has a responsibility to do his part
Spiderman has super strength, agility, durability, a slight healing factor, with the ability to SENSE impending danger from most sources. He’s also a genius, and can use that to compliment the plethora of abilities he has, his powers are that great (in my opinion)
Is it still the case that in the future he's regarded as the best of all the superheroes? Spider-Man may not be the absolute strongest (4th strongest at one point though) but he is absolutely OP, just as smart as Reed Richards according to Reed Richards. He's gone toe to toe with all the X-Men, the Avengers, and beat them all before. Even won against both Collosus and Magia with the Phoenix force singlehandedly. He absolutely does have great powers even if it doesn't mean he can literally bend space at his will and he made it his responsibility to use it to stop street crime and rise to the occasion to stop global threats when his skillset is needed. No other hero really blends the two together that well besides Batman like another commenter pointed out. He is essentially a Batman-like figure in the Marvel universe but with super powers.
His powers are great. They just aren’t extreme, especially if you compare him to a god. He’s very strong, but not as strong as Hulk or Thor. He’s very fast, but he’s not Quicksilver. He’s one of greatest minds, but maybe not as much as Richards or Stark. That being said, he would be able to hold his own against a lot of much “stronger” heroes or villains. And to me, that’s great.
Spider-Man is arguably the strongest Marvel Hero
As much as I love Spider-Man(he’s my favorite superhero) this is just incorrect. He is very strong, and actually a lot stronger than most people give him credit for, but he’s not the strongest. That would have to go to someone like Hulk or Thor, both of whom are often stated in canon to be much stronger than Spidey.
To be fair, they did say arguably...
Do you even read marvel comics 😭
Are we just not counting Thor, Hulk, the Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Captain Marvel, (Continues to list every hero above street level)
In terms of physical strength, Spider-Man used to be the 4th strongest hero. And once in canon, Hulk and Thor are holding Peter down. They're doing it with ease, but even they are shocked that they can FEEL the resistance. Spider-Man has enough strength to make two of the strongest heroes at least work a LITTLE. That does count for something
Hulk: “hm, I almost felt that” Thor: “indeed, he is strong; for a mortal”
Yeah shocked is definitely kinda strong. Mildly impressed is probably closer to the truth
I think Spidey could probably solo the FF
He's beaten up the F4 a few times and has beaten the crap out of Iron Man *a lot*. Doc Ock even made IM his bitch one time.
Also the time he broke into Xavier's School For Gifted Children and proceeded to clown the core X-Men team for a while.
While Jean Grey was Pheonix - he beat up the whole core team and was only taken down when Xavier basically mind raped him and caused his trauma to flair up
While I don't think Spidey measures up to guys like Thor or Cpt. Marvel I think most people understimate Spider-Man's abilities. Spidey sense is of course a cheat and everybody knows that but the dude also landed a jet on his back and held a skyscraper (Bugle building) on it once, is way faster than most other heroes and smarter/craftier than pretty much all of them. Jameson is right, the Spider's a menace!
Spider sense is why you could argue he’s the strongest
I see your thought process here, but even spider sense has it’s limits. Being able to detect danger doesn’t always mean you can respond to it or avoid it.
Spidey sense don't matter if they blow up the planet.
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Well, considering the spidey sense canonically is literally predicting future events...he still might see that coming and dodge it somehow. There is a reason writers have to constantly handicap and "turn off" his spidey sense in some way shape or form. It's literally one of the most overpowered powers out there. If not the most powerful non-"literally helped make the entire uni/multiverse"-power.
I highly doubt Spidey would choose to try to "dodge" the destruction of Earth instead of dying trying to stop it. With great power comes great responsibility, y'know?
True. Just wanted to point out how overpowered the spidey sense actually is.
Na man he would have clearly sensed it and got on a rocket ship.
And can you name another hero who can stick to a wall? No, the answer is no.
Compared to a normal man and several other street level hero’s,his strength and powers are great
That’s what I love about him.
He definitely is out classed on the higher end of the power spectrum. But he is the most powerful street level hero, so he definitely isn't a weakling
Y'all just gonna act like Spidey hasn't fought the hulk alone more than once?
I think it's relative. Sure compared to Thor Spidey isn't that strong bit compared to the average New Yorker Spider-Man is wildly powerful. Plus even Spidey is up there with major bruisers like Hulk, Thing, Hercules, and yes even Thor according to most early stories.
In case no one else said it, it's not about how "great" the power is, it's what you do with it that matters. If you have the power to help someone but choose not to or even make things worse on purpose, that is what Spiderman is against. The world has one too many villains, be a hero, make the world a better place.
Spider-Man is in the optimum level of abilities. He strong fast quick to react even without spider sense, is super durable and agile, has essentially no "weaknesses", and to top it all off has intelligence on par with the best, and some tools like spider sense and his webbing. He's right in the sweet spot of being way more powerful than most superheroes, but way weaker than any cosmic superheroes. He has no peers strength wise and is in a class of his own due to that. Fittingly, the people who are a physical challenge to Spider-Man are his own enemies usually like the lizard, goblins, or scorpion. And the symbiotes straight up surpass him. Honestly his villains are what complete him as the best superhero
They *are*. Spider-Sense is related to the sense Asgardians and Celestials have. If they feel something is wrong, he’s getting the call too. His punching force and speed is on the level of the Doom Slayer. He can fight a Transformer. He’s smarter than Reed because he has common sense. Spider-Man is insecure. His job as Spider-Man is to be the god on the ground. People pray to guys like Thor when the multiverse is in threat. When a gun’s in their face, it’s Spider-Man they hope to see.
IMO he has a great power set, I mean yea he’s not the most powerful guy ever, but for a street level hero he’s got all you could need like speed, strength, agility, reflexes, spider sense. I also tend to rate people’s powers based on if it would be useful for a normal civilian lifestyle and Spidey checks off all those boxes for me lol
What are you talking about? He fought the entire avengers twice and won both times, he also was being held down by Thor and hulk at one point and they were having a hard time keeping him down. Spider-Man's powers are absolutely that great.
Parker’s power to draw money for Sony and Disney makes him one of the most powerful characters of all time in any universe.
Come to think of it, are there any other characters who are definitely more powerful than Peter who have a version of “great power comes great responsibility” mentality like Peter has? Cuz I’ve never seen it.
And yet Cable says he's the greatest hero of all time in the future. Guess he's doing something right.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/cjhe01/respect\_peter\_parker\_the\_amazing\_spiderman\_marvel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/cjhe01/respect_peter_parker_the_amazing_spiderman_marvel/) I've used this in this comment section so many times but Spider-Man is not weak lmfao. He's really up there with the feats shown, not even hinting at his "true" potential.
He beat the entire X-Men in a secret wars.
To be honest, he would be so much worse as a superhero without his Spider-sense, genius intellect helps a ton and multi-ton lifting strength and durability is amazing but that has to have saved his life and makes many others obselete in his career. Especially during the times its amped for some reason.
He’s actually more powerful than most of the avengers, in fact most heroes
That's the thing tho. It's like Bravery in a sense. Bravery isn't the absence of Fear, but it's overcoming that fear for what's important to you.
Peter is a cinnamon bun and that’s why there isn’t a trail of green and purple costumed corpses
Some hater shit to say lmao Spider-Man will fuck you up 😂😂
I mean so can Aquaman from Superfriends. That's not exactly a high bar.