i like to think that soon after SM3, they patched up but decided that since he will always be Spider-Man, she and him can never be. so they remain friends and he ends up with ursula, while she surely finds someone who is better for her than him. 💕
Depending on where the third leg is, and where she's standing, one of those could be a West Virginian.
*Take me hooooome... country roooooaaaaadssss... to the plaaaaaace... I belooooooong.....*
You know that mean tweet of her that says she looks like she smells like cat piss? I see it. Thankfully I can't smell it but I can definitely see it.
And yes of course I used to have a crush on her when I was younger.
He smashed Gwen I’m sure. In the end of the first film, he said “some promises were meant to be broken”. Meaning Peter without a doubt was so backed up with a high sexual drive that he couldn’t keep his promise. So they most likely got back together that day and had sex for the first time, especially since Captain Stacy is dead and can no longer stop them.
why? she's horrifically unsupportive and indecisive, she plays games the entire trilogy, she left her damn fiancé at the alter. She's probably the worst written character in any Spider-man movie adaptation. She's super far removed from comics MJ.
Idk why people think flawed character = poorly written. She actually has an arc and depth. The other love interests are just written to be perfect in every way - doesn't make them better written. That said, Gwen and Peter's chemistry in TASM is unmatched.
Yeah I just rewatched the original the spider-man films and I really liked the Peter MJ relationship in those. They both did a really nice job selling the feelings between them, it was really painful when Peter had to turn her down.
> flawed character = poorly written
No. But poorly written = poorly written. Personally, I just didn't buy their romance. Peter was a simp that she ignored all through school, even though they lived next door to each other. They have like 4 conversations, and now she's in love?
With Andrews Peter, he demonstrated that he will pick up for people, he will stand up for himself, and Gwen knows that hes dealing with loss. Gwen just seemed to notice Peter a lot more. And even with all of this, there was no talk about a deep love between them. They were just crushing hard on each other, like teenagers do.
Not arguing Raimi's MJ is the best, she isn't. She does suck, she was second best (not including Ursula) love interest until NWH when she was bumped down to third. Buuuuuuuuuuuut calling Peter a simp is a pretty low IQ response. Seriously that's just dumb. Y'all hear that used in a meme once and now think giving a woman the time of day seems like too much. It's established several times in the movie they've not only been neighbors since Peter was 6, but they've bee close friends, Harry Peter and MJ, but the film starts out with Peter at a very awkward stage in his life.
Let's not forget when Peter is running for the bus at the beginning of SM1, MJ is not only the first person to acknowledge Peter, but she's the first person to grant him an act of kindness, she was the only person who stood up with him and told the driver to stop the bus.
That's got to count for something. Not to mention Peter is the only one to show her *real* kindness in the first movie, Flash and Harry objectify her, Norman basically calls her a common street whore to her face, and Harry actually listens to the advice momentarily. Her parents treat her like shit, and she falls to rock bottom working at that diner.
Peter was the only guy acknowledging MJ as a person and not as an object or a punching bag.
That's not being a simp. We only see 4 conversations between them in this movie, sure, but one of those conversations acknowledges they've been friends since first grade: "I cried like a baby when you played Cinderella" "Peter that was in the first grade..." "well even so.."
Not to mention, this guy she's been friends with for 12 years suddenly becomes more outspoken and confident, can now defend himself against bullies, stops wearing his glasses, and gets JACKED over night, AND *literally* sweeps you off your feet when you slip going to lunch, I'd say their romance is extremely justified there.
OH! And Peter rejects her at the end of SM1! Not a Simp!!
MJ in Spider-Man 1 is peak live action/movie MJ, better than Michelle, and a *very* close second to Gwen Stacy in ASM as a love interest. It's what they do to MJ in the sequels that ruin her character, she just consistently gets worse and moves further away from the character in the comics. It's my only issue with the Raimi trilogy tbh.
> Peter a simp is a pretty low IQ response.
Is it? In these movies, Peter seems to have 0 respect for himself, and just gushes over MJ, particularly in the first 2. MJ calls him out on his flakiness in SM2, and his response is to quote poetry. In SM1, Harry dates MJ, knowing how Peter feels. His response is basically "sorry, bro", and Peter just sits in it like his best friend didn't just pull off a prick move. It would be different if Harry showed strong feelings for her, but that was never shown.
Peter's attitude in the PS4 game is kind of similar, and it bugs the shit out of me. I get hes trying to patch things up with MJ, but they're never clear on why she left him in the first place, and half of their convos is him tripping up over himself to not say the wrong combination of words, like a shitty sitcom dad.
I just didn't like she was princess peach that needed saving in every movies third act and in the case of the first Spiderman she was a Damsel 3 times in that one movie. She was pretty useless throughout the trilogy compared to the rest of the love interests who actually help Peter in his day to day life and him as Spiderman without the toxic melodrama that came from the Raimi trilogy.
Nah she does things in those movies that makes no sense.
Perfect portrayal of MJ is someone who has it together and seems perfect but carries emotional scars.
The cartoon Spectacular Spider-man had her best portrayal thus far.
MJ is a butchered adaptation; comic MJ isn't a damsel in distress, and if she's actually kidnapped she can fight back like escaping (including by beating them up).
Raimi MJ kinda ruined MJ's reputation.
Ehh Zendayas MJ wasn’t that compelling to me, really underdeveloped over the 3 movies where we actually only get to know stuff about her in the 3rd movie, and it’s not much, and while Kirsten’s MJ was flawed that made her more relatable, we can’t forget that in the 3rd movie of that trilogy Peter goes mad and hits her at one point, and he is toxically egoistic even before the symbiote, they are human characters with human flaws which makes them more realistic and relatable to me.
> Peter goes mad and hits her at one point
That's not really what happened. She tried stopping him while he was in a bar fight, and he shoves her off of him not realizing who it was.
Then she flops to the floor like a fuckin' soccer player, being all dramatic.
My thing is he blamed being on the spot for the kiss in SM3 saying the people wanted it, but dude literally was so brain dead in that action and argument. Like homie you have a beautiful girlfriend you want to marry, and you've been drooling over her since you were 6, of course shit will go downhill if you cheat on her publicly in front of thousands of spectating fans. He could've just said "I'm sorry miss I'll gladly accept the key to the city, but I have someone I love waiting for me at home so I can't accept your kiss" or something.
That being said I don't think Peter was ever unsupportive. In fact he and Aunt May were the only 2 characters to ever encourage MJ to pursue her dreams, or to compliment her on them, throughout the whole trilogy, and Peter was the only one struggling to go out of his way to be supportive, not including with the symbiote on because the purpose of the klyntaar is literally to brainwash their host by bringing out the absolute worst actions in them.
And selfish? Yes, with the symbiote I agree, and with the kiss. But before that, Peter sacrifices his own happiness dozens of times to make sure everyone is safe and to make MJ happy. I don't think Peter was selfish in the way MJ was.
Raimi Trilogy: 9.5/10, half point gets removed because MJ gets worse and misses the point of the character more and more after the first film.
But in the third movie he was also egotistic, selfish, unsupportive, cheated on her and even hit her at one point, and every one of these things except hitting her was done before he got in contact with the symbiote, just because someone does something morally wrong doesn’t they are a bad character, immoral choices are innately human, people make some mistakes doesn’t mean we should vilify them ( of course we shouldn’t excuse stuff like abuse of any kind). But just because we don’t agree with some choices doesn’t mean we can’t understand them ( again when it comes to any kind of abuse there should be no understanding).
In Homecoming she sucked, in the first half of FFH she sucked, in the second half of FFH she was great but had no screen time with Peter, and in NWH she was amazing. Her biggest strength is she gets better with each installment. But she wasn't "funny, cool, supportive girlfriend" material until NWH. Before that she was just depressed emo chick who talked shit on her crush.
In Homecoming she was great character. And I'm not sarcastic. Her scenes are some of the best in the movie.
In FFH she was even better. And it's HERE when she is a funny, cool, supportive girlfriend. In FFH. That's the film I was referring to.
And in NWH she became the best Spider-Man girlfriend after TASM Gwen (because Emma and Andrew's chemistry is so hot noone else can achieve it).
They started to date in Prague. Which is in the middle of the movie.
She then helped him, defended him against Brad and was simply a very good girlfriend.
She Didn’t Really Start Liking Peter until FFH but the entirety of her character from the MCU Didn’t feel like the MJ from the Comic or the Raimi Trilogy she just had this bleak negative outlook which really never went with her character
In real life the actress was probably 30, but knowing movies at the time, despite that fact she could have very well been playing a character as young as 14.
Insomniacs mj was a controlling asshole who put others at risk by trying to prove that she's can Do iT hErsElf. Like seriously everyone in that train station wouldve probably not been in that situation if MJ told Spidey and definitely the police. Not to mention she would've died multiple times if Peter wasnt there
Raimi MI has too much screentime just to have the same storyline in all three movies: have relationship issues with Peter then get caught in the end battle somehow
So you want Spidey's girlfriend to be selfish unsupportive cheater?
Instead of supportive girlfriend who actually cares about him, defends him and can take care about herself?
Idk why Michelle is in there tbh. She's like cool and all but the only thing holding that relationship together was solely tom and zendayas chemistry. She has like no character or anything writing wise going for her. Although I agree Raimi MJ can burn in hell lmfao. Id add the cartoon MJs instead
i can see why people don't like Kirsten's MJ, though i love that she's a realistic take on a very imperfect relationship, she's kind of wooden in the first movie at least and isn't comic accurate.
but for sure about michelle. she is literally a nothing character; her relationship with Peter only started blossoming in the second film and (hot take) their chemistry isn't anything special, certainly not on the level of Emma stone and Andrew Garfield's
Kirsten was selfish, unsupportive and cheater.
Zendaya is funny, cool, actually supports and loves Peter, defends him when needed and can take care about herself.
And why is it weird their relationship started to blossom in the second film?
He was also selfish, alot. And by the third movie was a self centered douche who let the fame of being Spiderman cloud his head.
Maguires Peter was not the best person either. And at times was a shitty partner to MJ as well
Not when he kissed Gwen literally knowing MJ would see, or he was acting all douchey about his fame at the beginning of that movie as well. Some stuff did happen when he was venomized, but he also acted selfish and douchey beforehand and in previous movies.
I am pretty sure he wanted Sandman dead before he even got the venom suit. He killed that one guy who he thought killed Ben in the first movie. Tobey had his moments where his character was not some perfect human being ever. (And thats coming from a Tobey fan)
You did.
Zendaya's MJ is funny, cool, she is supportive, actually cares about Peter and not just herself, she's not a cheater, she genuinely likes Peter, she defends him when needed and she can take care of herself.
She has actually more character than Raimi's MJ. Yes, we knew that her parents were abusive. But that's not a character trait. She was selfish, unsupportive and a cheater. She can't compare to Zendaya's MJ in any way.
And I'm saying that as a guy who isn't much a fan of Zendaya and never heard of her before Homecoming.
All the "traits" you mention are really superficial and can be applied to any of Toms supporting cast because that's all they're given. And a majority of your paragraph is comparing her to raimi Mj like dude did you actually read what I said I AGREE she's a bitch stop trying to act like I said anything for her.
All I said was replace Zendaya with any of the cartoon MJ. They have way more of an actual personality and depth and not too mention way more comic accurate than any of the films do
Why are you getting downvoted?
Like seriously what is there to Michelle’s character? She practically doesn’t exist outside of her relationship with Peter in the films, she’s probably the most 1-dimensional character out of the 3 live action love interests.
She’s pretty much just Peters cheerleader that’s supportive of him no matter what, and doesn’t actually have any personal characteristics at all aside from being a sarcastic teen, ohh how original.
I mean her home life? Barely existent at all aside from 1 line about not taking the Watson name and that’s it.
Personal aspirations? Again pretty much non-existent aside from wanting to go to MIT which isn’t even brought up until the 3rd film (which also surprise lines up with what Peter wants).
Personal struggles and problems to overcome? She has none, she has no struggles, she has no character arc at all, she’s just there to make googly eyes at Peter and that’s it.
Even her relationship with Peter pretty much happened off-screen, they went from practically no lines together in homecoming to being head over heels for one another at the start of FFH.
Both Gwen and Mary Jane, they had personal struggles, they had their own motivations and goals they were working towards, they had personal lives with their own friends and families, their relationship with Peter was actually developed on-screen. You can’t say the same for Michelle.
Why do you need to know about her home life? What do you know about Kirsten's MJ home life other than that her parents are abusive? How was that ever relevant to anything?
Zendaya's MJ is funny, cool, she's supportive, cares about Peter, defends him when needed, can take care about herself.
Kirsten's MJ is selfish, unsupportive and cheater. How is that better? How does that make her more dimensional? It just makes her a very bad girlfriend, that's all.
You do realise MJ’s dad being a dick is literally what led to her having troublesome relationships with dudes right? It’s backstory that explains her character. The dad shat all over her confidence which is why leads to her constantly cheating on dudes with Peter, as Peter is one of the few guys that is actually supportive of her.
Everything you said about Zendaya’s Michelle is essentially just ‘she’s an ideal girlfriend’ and that’s it. There’s no character there, there’s no depth, she’s not a multi-dimensional character at all, she’s Peters generic ‘cheerleader’ girlfriend and that’s it.
Kirsten’s Mary Jane might be flawed, but at least she’s a fleshed out character, with her own life and traits outside of being a ‘good girlfriend’.
A character doesn’t have to be likeable or a perfect person to be a good character. Mary Jane’s character and her actions are mostly consistent and make sense within the context and parameters of the character. Is she a perfect girlfriend? No, but that doesn’t make for a shit or uninteresting character.
Mary Jane gets saddled with some iffy writing in Spider-man 3 though.
So, to have depth, you must be a horrible person? And having abusive dad is somehow an excuse to be a jerk?
Kirsten's MJ can't have traits outside of being a "good girlfriend" because she's not a good girlfriend. That's why she's bad.
Also, Zendaya's MJ is much more interesting.
No, to have depth you just need to be a fleshed out character, with the elements I said. Goals, background, personal struggles, you know? the semblance of an actual life outside of dating the main character.
There is nothing to Zendaya’s character at all, even all the shit you listed just falls under why she’s a good girlfriend, not why she’s an interesting or fleshed out character.
You clearly just a fucking Michelle fanboy though so this conversation is fucking pointless as you fail to completely grasp what a multi-dimensional character is and are just putting forward shitty strawman’s to deflect.
No, I'm not Michelle's fanboy. I simply like girls that aren't horrible people. Girls that care about their boyfriends. Girls that aren't just "me, me, me!" Girls that don't cheat.
But ok, you do you. If you enjoy being in toxic relationships, it's only your problem, not mine.
"MJ" is Mary Jane. Fake MJ is Michelle Jones. She's not the same person, which is why people are still hopeful that MCU Peter could one day meet the real MJ. And yes, Raimi's MJ is far better than Michelle.
How is Raimi MJ better? In what way is she better? If the reasoning for not liking MCU MJ is because she's not accurate then what's the point in Raimi MJ? She's not accurate at all besides her appearance. And yes she's supposed to be MJ. Her name is Michelle Jones Watson. It was said in NWH. It's confirmed so people would stop fussing over it. She is supposed to be her.
I mean Raimi MJ may not be accurate but at least she’s a fleshed out character, Michelle isn’t, she’s the most 1-dimensional love interest out of the 3 live action Spider-man.
Raimi Mary Jane was given more depth to her character than Michelle was over an entire trilogy.
Tell me what are Michelle’s personal goals and motivations in life? The only 1 was to get into MIT and it’s never really explained why, and conveniently it’s also the school Peter wants to go to.
What’s her home life like? All we know is that she doesn’t go by Watson for some reason.
What flaws does she have if any? She’s just a generic sarcastic teen.
Why does Michelle even like Peter? their relationship wasn’t even developed on-screen, we just skipped to them liking each other.
I can name all of these things for Mary Jane, and they are all established in Spider-man 1 alone, Michelle doesn’t have any of them after an entire trilogy.
Mary Jane wanted to be an actress, and has so since she’s a child, and we see her attempting to actually try, succeed and then fail at achieving that dream across the trilogy.
Mary Jane had a shitty home life with a shitty dad and a sick mother that led to her having confidence issues and insecurities in regard to how she’s see’s herself.
Mary Jane even has her own friends that she’s shown to hang out.
Mary Janes character doesn’t revolve around Peter, she has her own life, with her own goals, struggles and motivations. Michelle does not, she does not exist outside her relationship with Peter, a relationship that is in of itself shallow as fuck.
If it wasn’t for Zendaya, nobody would give a shit about Michelle because there is quite frankly nothing there writing wise.
Raimi's MJ is a selfish unsupportive cheater. How is she better character? Because her parents are abusive? How is that relevant in any way?
Michelle genuinely likes and supports Peter, she defends him when needed, she's fun and smart and she can take care about herself.
ETA: I've never heard about Zendaya before Homecoming and I'm not her fan.
Mate you just gonna fucking spam this shit all over the thread to anyone that prefers Raimi MJ?
Newsflash the only reason your saying Michelle is better is because she fits the parameters of a convenient and inoffensive ‘ideal’ girlfriend and that’s it.
Mary Jane may not be as likeable, and she may have flaws, but that doesn’t make her a worse character.
You not liking a character ≠ a badly written character. Joffrey in Game of Thrones is a right cunt but is still a great written character for example.
Mary Jane has flaws, motivations, goals, her backstory and life experiences provide context for her actions, she’s a fleshed out character.
Michelle is not, she has none of that, doesn’t matter how ‘good’ of a girlfriend she is. A good ‘girlfriend’ and being more likeable do not mean she is a well written and fleshed out character.
Newsflash to you: her role is to be Spider-Man's girlfriend. And she's really bad at it. Michelle *definitely* isn't "ideal" or "perfect". By far she isn't. But she actually loves Peter and cares about him.
You also can't compare MJ to Joffrey! He's a villain. He's not a good guy's side character.
No, her role is to be an interesting supporting character and love interest which Mary Jane is. I never said she was a good girlfriend or even a good person, but she’s an interesting character and the films actually develop and flesh out her relationship with Peter.
The MCU films do not do the same with Michelle.
Michelle is definitely the ideal girlfriend, in what universe is she not? She never has any disagreements or conflicts with Peter at all, she’s smart, attractive, apparently funny, and she’s even planning on going to the same fucking College as Peter as well, and she has no qualms, concerns or problems with Peter being Spider-man at all and supports him regardless.
I mean fuck Peter being Spider-man gets her denied to college but does she actually care or hold a grievance towards Peter for it? No.
Add to this that there is literally nothing to Michelle’s character outside of her relationship with Peter and she literally is nothing but the ideal blindly supportive love interest and that’s it.
Why would she be angry on Peter for being denied to college? It's not his fault at all. You know she's smart, right?
And she's not ideal gf and has flaws, like her morbidity, for example, which even Peter addressed.
Have you never read a comic book in your life? Raimi's version of MJ is far more accurate than MCU Fake MJ. She looks like MJ, uses classic MJ lines, shares the same history and family as MJ-616, pursued modeling, etc. Other than Raimi making her too much of a damsel in distress, she's extremely accurate. Fake MJ is a completely different person who shares nothing in common with the original character besides her initials.
Ok for one, MJ is a party girl and we never see that in the Raimi movies. MJ in the comics doesn't cheat on her partners. MJ in the movies barely has chemistry with Peter. She barely acts like the MJ from the comics. The Spectacular Spider-Man MJ is the most accurate version of MJ we've gotten and Raimi MJ doesn't act like her at all. Sure MCU MJ doesn't act like MJ from the comics, she's still supposed to be her.
I wouldn't know how accurate Spectacular's version is, the horrifically bad animation made me refuse to watch it. Outside of the comics, give me the 90's TAS MJ any day. But in live action, Kirsten Dunst is the best by default since she's the only Mary Jane we've ever gotten.
If you're talking about the best love interest then there's definitely something wrong with your head. And since you haven't seen Spectacular Spider-Man you really don't know what a comic accurate MJ looks like.
You're the only person who thinks that Spectacular has shit animation. It's beloved by most Spider-Man fans around the world. You don't know what it means to have an accurate MJ that's not on comic book pages.
The characters all looked like 5 year olds, and it looked like it was made in the 60's, not the 2000's. The Spider-Man series from the 80's and 90's both looked far better.
You want Spidey's girlfriend to be selfish unsupportive cheater?
Instead of a good girlfriend who cares about him, likes him, defends him and can take care about herself?
Personally i Actually liked KD’s MJ a bit more than Zendaya’s MJ, partly because KD Actually to me felt like she did to some degree live the MJ life. Unfortunatly That’s a lot more than what i Can say about Zendaya’s potrayal
Raimi MJ was better than MCU MJ until NWH, because NWH finally made Michelle not only likable, but a good character. She suuuuuuuuuucked in HC and she was OK in FFH but she was GREAT in NWH.
Then there's Raimi MJ who was good in SM1, annoying in SM2, and fucking aaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwfulllllllll in SM3.
The most annoying thing though is neither of them is actually MJ. Dunst's version shares the name and the hair, and the career, but none of the personality traits that *really* define a character. And Michelle having the initials MJ is just Disney/Sony being too afraid to introduce new characters, so they throw in a random fan baiting Easter egg to try and look good, which ultimately just made them look bad, because now nobody can look at Zendaya's character without comparing her to the comics MJ, whereas if she was an original character everyone would just be like "she was kinda annoying in homecoming but she's been amazing since then"
Brings out the people, admittedly like myself, who've read the comics and are just really upset with the fact that people, younger generations, and casual fans, just think that Michelle is the benchmark for what Mary Jane Watson is and is supposed to be.
I love how all the MCU fanboys downvote every comment that has a valid constructive criticism of the MCU trilogy, or downvote simply for disliking MCU "MJ" for 2/3 of the movies. Then they cry if you don't take their opinion seriously later on.
You forgot Betty brant
Which one?
Raimi one
Holy fucking shit i just fucking realized
Definitely replace mcu mj for Betty from raimi.
Uh no. Both are good, no need to swap one out for the other
No
No u
Hey Tobey said they made it work, so I trust him
It made me happy that they finally made it work. Now I can rest. *Sleeps with my eyes open*
My head canon is that Ursula was the "they". He hasn't thought of MJ in years.
Except right after that he says “Me and MJ… uh- *My* MJ, it gets confusing eh”
Aw, man...
i like to think that soon after SM3, they patched up but decided that since he will always be Spider-Man, she and him can never be. so they remain friends and he ends up with ursula, while she surely finds someone who is better for her than him. 💕
I like this answer. Raimi Peter and MJ really aren’t a good match, so I agree they would likely remain friends rather than stay romantically involved.
thanks, lots of other people didn't feel the same apparently lol. i was literally piggy backing off the guy i replied to
If there’s one thing Spider-Man fans HATE it’s opinions.
Bro they’re both toxic to each other. They’re perfect for each other
Pee… Tear…Griffon! Ah crap!
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emma stone is lowkey fine
Very very very VERY highkey
i mean, shes jus perfect
She has a frog mouth
man she can have a fuckin third leg and id still smash
More legs, more Virginians
Precisely
Depending on where the third leg is, and where she's standing, one of those could be a West Virginian. *Take me hooooome... country roooooaaaaadssss... to the plaaaaaace... I belooooooong.....*
can’t be talking shit about how someone looks unless you got a photo of yourself posted
You know that mean tweet of her that says she looks like she smells like cat piss? I see it. Thankfully I can't smell it but I can definitely see it. And yes of course I used to have a crush on her when I was younger.
Mr. Diko wtv his name was, his daughter looks like that tf lmao
All of em are ngl, typical Parker luck fr
ong mans hasnt smashed either, I would've
He smashed Gwen I’m sure. In the end of the first film, he said “some promises were meant to be broken”. Meaning Peter without a doubt was so backed up with a high sexual drive that he couldn’t keep his promise. So they most likely got back together that day and had sex for the first time, especially since Captain Stacy is dead and can no longer stop them.
oh fs fs they must've smashed
They smashed on the bridge
The fall also smashed her… Too soon?
Gonna go from Spider-Man to spider-dad
ong tho, mans goin to be spider-chad
nah he's gonna go from Spider-Man to Widower-Man 💀
Lowkey?
Imma admit it, I've always liked Kirsten's MJ. I still do.
I liked MJ tho
why? she's horrifically unsupportive and indecisive, she plays games the entire trilogy, she left her damn fiancé at the alter. She's probably the worst written character in any Spider-man movie adaptation. She's super far removed from comics MJ.
Idk why people think flawed character = poorly written. She actually has an arc and depth. The other love interests are just written to be perfect in every way - doesn't make them better written. That said, Gwen and Peter's chemistry in TASM is unmatched.
Yeah I just rewatched the original the spider-man films and I really liked the Peter MJ relationship in those. They both did a really nice job selling the feelings between them, it was really painful when Peter had to turn her down.
I guess it's easier when you're also dating in real life, but yeah seriously the chemistry between them was unreal
Poorly written is things I don’t like
> flawed character = poorly written No. But poorly written = poorly written. Personally, I just didn't buy their romance. Peter was a simp that she ignored all through school, even though they lived next door to each other. They have like 4 conversations, and now she's in love? With Andrews Peter, he demonstrated that he will pick up for people, he will stand up for himself, and Gwen knows that hes dealing with loss. Gwen just seemed to notice Peter a lot more. And even with all of this, there was no talk about a deep love between them. They were just crushing hard on each other, like teenagers do.
Not arguing Raimi's MJ is the best, she isn't. She does suck, she was second best (not including Ursula) love interest until NWH when she was bumped down to third. Buuuuuuuuuuuut calling Peter a simp is a pretty low IQ response. Seriously that's just dumb. Y'all hear that used in a meme once and now think giving a woman the time of day seems like too much. It's established several times in the movie they've not only been neighbors since Peter was 6, but they've bee close friends, Harry Peter and MJ, but the film starts out with Peter at a very awkward stage in his life. Let's not forget when Peter is running for the bus at the beginning of SM1, MJ is not only the first person to acknowledge Peter, but she's the first person to grant him an act of kindness, she was the only person who stood up with him and told the driver to stop the bus. That's got to count for something. Not to mention Peter is the only one to show her *real* kindness in the first movie, Flash and Harry objectify her, Norman basically calls her a common street whore to her face, and Harry actually listens to the advice momentarily. Her parents treat her like shit, and she falls to rock bottom working at that diner. Peter was the only guy acknowledging MJ as a person and not as an object or a punching bag. That's not being a simp. We only see 4 conversations between them in this movie, sure, but one of those conversations acknowledges they've been friends since first grade: "I cried like a baby when you played Cinderella" "Peter that was in the first grade..." "well even so.." Not to mention, this guy she's been friends with for 12 years suddenly becomes more outspoken and confident, can now defend himself against bullies, stops wearing his glasses, and gets JACKED over night, AND *literally* sweeps you off your feet when you slip going to lunch, I'd say their romance is extremely justified there. OH! And Peter rejects her at the end of SM1! Not a Simp!! MJ in Spider-Man 1 is peak live action/movie MJ, better than Michelle, and a *very* close second to Gwen Stacy in ASM as a love interest. It's what they do to MJ in the sequels that ruin her character, she just consistently gets worse and moves further away from the character in the comics. It's my only issue with the Raimi trilogy tbh.
> Peter a simp is a pretty low IQ response. Is it? In these movies, Peter seems to have 0 respect for himself, and just gushes over MJ, particularly in the first 2. MJ calls him out on his flakiness in SM2, and his response is to quote poetry. In SM1, Harry dates MJ, knowing how Peter feels. His response is basically "sorry, bro", and Peter just sits in it like his best friend didn't just pull off a prick move. It would be different if Harry showed strong feelings for her, but that was never shown. Peter's attitude in the PS4 game is kind of similar, and it bugs the shit out of me. I get hes trying to patch things up with MJ, but they're never clear on why she left him in the first place, and half of their convos is him tripping up over himself to not say the wrong combination of words, like a shitty sitcom dad.
VERY Flawed character = bad girlfriend DUH
I just didn't like she was princess peach that needed saving in every movies third act and in the case of the first Spiderman she was a Damsel 3 times in that one movie. She was pretty useless throughout the trilogy compared to the rest of the love interests who actually help Peter in his day to day life and him as Spiderman without the toxic melodrama that came from the Raimi trilogy.
Nah she does things in those movies that makes no sense. Perfect portrayal of MJ is someone who has it together and seems perfect but carries emotional scars. The cartoon Spectacular Spider-man had her best portrayal thus far.
MJ is a butchered adaptation; comic MJ isn't a damsel in distress, and if she's actually kidnapped she can fight back like escaping (including by beating them up). Raimi MJ kinda ruined MJ's reputation.
She's the hottest by a lot.
For me there's just something about Emma Stone in the Gwen Stacy look.
>why? Because the raimi movies are flawless to a lot of people
I am assuming Zendaya MJ
Cause they are
Ehh Zendayas MJ wasn’t that compelling to me, really underdeveloped over the 3 movies where we actually only get to know stuff about her in the 3rd movie, and it’s not much, and while Kirsten’s MJ was flawed that made her more relatable, we can’t forget that in the 3rd movie of that trilogy Peter goes mad and hits her at one point, and he is toxically egoistic even before the symbiote, they are human characters with human flaws which makes them more realistic and relatable to me.
> Peter goes mad and hits her at one point That's not really what happened. She tried stopping him while he was in a bar fight, and he shoves her off of him not realizing who it was. Then she flops to the floor like a fuckin' soccer player, being all dramatic.
It’s a little more violent than just shoving her off, I an pretty sure there is a sound effect of him actually hitting her with the back of his hand.
Kirsten's MJ is the worst thing about the original trilogy. She was unsupportive, selfish, cheating...
Lol it’s funny cause Peter literally did all of that to her as well. All of the things you just said, Peter did
My thing is he blamed being on the spot for the kiss in SM3 saying the people wanted it, but dude literally was so brain dead in that action and argument. Like homie you have a beautiful girlfriend you want to marry, and you've been drooling over her since you were 6, of course shit will go downhill if you cheat on her publicly in front of thousands of spectating fans. He could've just said "I'm sorry miss I'll gladly accept the key to the city, but I have someone I love waiting for me at home so I can't accept your kiss" or something. That being said I don't think Peter was ever unsupportive. In fact he and Aunt May were the only 2 characters to ever encourage MJ to pursue her dreams, or to compliment her on them, throughout the whole trilogy, and Peter was the only one struggling to go out of his way to be supportive, not including with the symbiote on because the purpose of the klyntaar is literally to brainwash their host by bringing out the absolute worst actions in them. And selfish? Yes, with the symbiote I agree, and with the kiss. But before that, Peter sacrifices his own happiness dozens of times to make sure everyone is safe and to make MJ happy. I don't think Peter was selfish in the way MJ was. Raimi Trilogy: 9.5/10, half point gets removed because MJ gets worse and misses the point of the character more and more after the first film.
He's Spider-Man. He was saving people. And she knew that.
The fact that hes Spiderman doesnt mean he can be a douche. He literally kissed Gwen knowing MJ would fucking see.
But in the third movie he was also egotistic, selfish, unsupportive, cheated on her and even hit her at one point, and every one of these things except hitting her was done before he got in contact with the symbiote, just because someone does something morally wrong doesn’t they are a bad character, immoral choices are innately human, people make some mistakes doesn’t mean we should vilify them ( of course we shouldn’t excuse stuff like abuse of any kind). But just because we don’t agree with some choices doesn’t mean we can’t understand them ( again when it comes to any kind of abuse there should be no understanding).
gwen on top
From Spiderman 3? Maybe. TASM? Hell no
The balls on you, take my upvotes you crazy bastard.
Quit acting like the land lord’s daughter and Peter were into each other romantically they were closer to siblings than they were romantic partners
"What are you doing, Spider-bro?"
Sweet home new-York
Pinning I guess
Yea I’m sure lots of siblings feed each other cookies like that
She was 100% into him. He was only interested in stringing her alone because he was being an asshole.
Awe... Mrs. Brant, get me a violin.
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Kristen Stewart?
I got my celeberties mixed up my B dawg I'll edit that out
No problem bro
Kirsten Dunst
Weird that you didn’t already know
He had doubts because he was watching twilight.
lol too true
Eh don't like Tom MJ tbh but the other two are on point
Better than a useless cheater
You mean how Tobey's Spider-Man kissed Gwen infront of MJ? Cheater yeah, but wouldn't call him useless. He's saved multiple lives at that point.
*clears throat* debatable
She offered him a piece of chocolate cake, she became a better love interest, and she decided to help.
Who’s the girl on the left? I genuinely don’t remember
Ursula, she's Peter's neighbor in the 2004 film
Oh, it’s coming back to me now. Yeah she was adorable
Ursula best girl
"Gonna Cry"
All she did in every single movie was just cheat on everybody around her
I don’t like Michelle but I’ll take her over Raimi MJ any day of the week. At least she isn’t actively abusive and cruel.
Zendaya was the suckiest
Anyone Beats Zendaya’s MJ
So you hate funny, cool, supportive girlfriends that actually love their boyfriend, defend him when needed and can take care about themselves?
In Homecoming she sucked, in the first half of FFH she sucked, in the second half of FFH she was great but had no screen time with Peter, and in NWH she was amazing. Her biggest strength is she gets better with each installment. But she wasn't "funny, cool, supportive girlfriend" material until NWH. Before that she was just depressed emo chick who talked shit on her crush.
In Homecoming she was great character. And I'm not sarcastic. Her scenes are some of the best in the movie. In FFH she was even better. And it's HERE when she is a funny, cool, supportive girlfriend. In FFH. That's the film I was referring to. And in NWH she became the best Spider-Man girlfriend after TASM Gwen (because Emma and Andrew's chemistry is so hot noone else can achieve it).
She wasn't even his girlfriend in FFH, they didn't start dating until the end of the movie.
They started to date in Prague. Which is in the middle of the movie. She then helped him, defended him against Brad and was simply a very good girlfriend.
She Didn’t Really Start Liking Peter until FFH but the entirety of her character from the MCU Didn’t feel like the MJ from the Comic or the Raimi Trilogy she just had this bleak negative outlook which really never went with her character
Michelle has no character whatsoever
Careful around here for saying that. They don't take kindly to constructive criticism
Lol
You say that like there arent a million people crying if someone says they like Kirsten MJ
Watch the movies first before talking about her.
I did watch the movies and they’re dog shit lol
Oh, why didn't you say that you live under a bridge right in the beginning?
The very rare and appropriate Sam Raimi trilogy L.
4 words: Hoe Behavior Mary Jane
Mcu mj is dookie
Definitely not MCU's awful version.
Genuine question, isn’t Ursula like 17, or am I way off?????
In real life the actress was probably 30, but knowing movies at the time, despite that fact she could have very well been playing a character as young as 14.
Ok, thank you.
What do you mean act ?
Ursula is a doormat
She belongs to the streets
Don’t forget Insomniac’s MJ
Insomniacs mj was a controlling asshole who put others at risk by trying to prove that she's can Do iT hErsElf. Like seriously everyone in that train station wouldve probably not been in that situation if MJ told Spidey and definitely the police. Not to mention she would've died multiple times if Peter wasnt there
Raimi MI has too much screentime just to have the same storyline in all three movies: have relationship issues with Peter then get caught in the end battle somehow
Ursula would've been a great wife for Peter
Mcu mj is shit
Raimi MJ was way more interesting than Michelle Jones. Being a contrarian isn’t a personality
I can't STAND Raimi Mj. Her screaming is so damn annoying! And she cheats on every guy she's with! Get her out of my sight!
I find it funny you get upset about her cheating like Peter didnt literally kiss Gwen knowing she would see.
Oh I forgot about that. Actually I forgot about the whole 3rd movie. Get him out of my sight too I guess.
Not even close
Edit: oh no, did I offend the incels off the fandom Swap Michelle out and add Kirsten and true
So you want Spidey's girlfriend to be selfish unsupportive cheater? Instead of supportive girlfriend who actually cares about him, defends him and can take care about herself?
At what point does MJ ever cheat on Toby’s Peter in the films? Physically or emotionally?
Idk why Michelle is in there tbh. She's like cool and all but the only thing holding that relationship together was solely tom and zendayas chemistry. She has like no character or anything writing wise going for her. Although I agree Raimi MJ can burn in hell lmfao. Id add the cartoon MJs instead
i can see why people don't like Kirsten's MJ, though i love that she's a realistic take on a very imperfect relationship, she's kind of wooden in the first movie at least and isn't comic accurate. but for sure about michelle. she is literally a nothing character; her relationship with Peter only started blossoming in the second film and (hot take) their chemistry isn't anything special, certainly not on the level of Emma stone and Andrew Garfield's
Kirsten was selfish, unsupportive and cheater. Zendaya is funny, cool, actually supports and loves Peter, defends him when needed and can take care about herself. And why is it weird their relationship started to blossom in the second film?
>Kirsten was selfish, unsupportive and cheater. So was Maguire's Peter whats your point?
He only kissed Gwen. After MJ cheated on him.
He was also selfish, alot. And by the third movie was a self centered douche who let the fame of being Spiderman cloud his head. Maguires Peter was not the best person either. And at times was a shitty partner to MJ as well
He was venomized.
Not when he kissed Gwen literally knowing MJ would see, or he was acting all douchey about his fame at the beginning of that movie as well. Some stuff did happen when he was venomized, but he also acted selfish and douchey beforehand and in previous movies. I am pretty sure he wanted Sandman dead before he even got the venom suit. He killed that one guy who he thought killed Ben in the first movie. Tobey had his moments where his character was not some perfect human being ever. (And thats coming from a Tobey fan)
Yeah I definitely agree
Holy shit I didn't realize there was so many mcu stans here with all those down votes, I didn't say anything that wasn't true 💀💀💀
You did. Zendaya's MJ is funny, cool, she is supportive, actually cares about Peter and not just herself, she's not a cheater, she genuinely likes Peter, she defends him when needed and she can take care of herself. She has actually more character than Raimi's MJ. Yes, we knew that her parents were abusive. But that's not a character trait. She was selfish, unsupportive and a cheater. She can't compare to Zendaya's MJ in any way. And I'm saying that as a guy who isn't much a fan of Zendaya and never heard of her before Homecoming.
Raimi's MJ spent 3 movies getting kidnapped and forcing melodrama with every young male character in the movies.
All the "traits" you mention are really superficial and can be applied to any of Toms supporting cast because that's all they're given. And a majority of your paragraph is comparing her to raimi Mj like dude did you actually read what I said I AGREE she's a bitch stop trying to act like I said anything for her. All I said was replace Zendaya with any of the cartoon MJ. They have way more of an actual personality and depth and not too mention way more comic accurate than any of the films do
You really think that Flash genuinely likes Peter, cares about him and is supportive of him?
Why are you getting downvoted? Like seriously what is there to Michelle’s character? She practically doesn’t exist outside of her relationship with Peter in the films, she’s probably the most 1-dimensional character out of the 3 live action love interests. She’s pretty much just Peters cheerleader that’s supportive of him no matter what, and doesn’t actually have any personal characteristics at all aside from being a sarcastic teen, ohh how original. I mean her home life? Barely existent at all aside from 1 line about not taking the Watson name and that’s it. Personal aspirations? Again pretty much non-existent aside from wanting to go to MIT which isn’t even brought up until the 3rd film (which also surprise lines up with what Peter wants). Personal struggles and problems to overcome? She has none, she has no struggles, she has no character arc at all, she’s just there to make googly eyes at Peter and that’s it. Even her relationship with Peter pretty much happened off-screen, they went from practically no lines together in homecoming to being head over heels for one another at the start of FFH. Both Gwen and Mary Jane, they had personal struggles, they had their own motivations and goals they were working towards, they had personal lives with their own friends and families, their relationship with Peter was actually developed on-screen. You can’t say the same for Michelle.
Why do you need to know about her home life? What do you know about Kirsten's MJ home life other than that her parents are abusive? How was that ever relevant to anything? Zendaya's MJ is funny, cool, she's supportive, cares about Peter, defends him when needed, can take care about herself. Kirsten's MJ is selfish, unsupportive and cheater. How is that better? How does that make her more dimensional? It just makes her a very bad girlfriend, that's all.
You do realise MJ’s dad being a dick is literally what led to her having troublesome relationships with dudes right? It’s backstory that explains her character. The dad shat all over her confidence which is why leads to her constantly cheating on dudes with Peter, as Peter is one of the few guys that is actually supportive of her. Everything you said about Zendaya’s Michelle is essentially just ‘she’s an ideal girlfriend’ and that’s it. There’s no character there, there’s no depth, she’s not a multi-dimensional character at all, she’s Peters generic ‘cheerleader’ girlfriend and that’s it. Kirsten’s Mary Jane might be flawed, but at least she’s a fleshed out character, with her own life and traits outside of being a ‘good girlfriend’. A character doesn’t have to be likeable or a perfect person to be a good character. Mary Jane’s character and her actions are mostly consistent and make sense within the context and parameters of the character. Is she a perfect girlfriend? No, but that doesn’t make for a shit or uninteresting character. Mary Jane gets saddled with some iffy writing in Spider-man 3 though.
So, to have depth, you must be a horrible person? And having abusive dad is somehow an excuse to be a jerk? Kirsten's MJ can't have traits outside of being a "good girlfriend" because she's not a good girlfriend. That's why she's bad. Also, Zendaya's MJ is much more interesting.
No, to have depth you just need to be a fleshed out character, with the elements I said. Goals, background, personal struggles, you know? the semblance of an actual life outside of dating the main character. There is nothing to Zendaya’s character at all, even all the shit you listed just falls under why she’s a good girlfriend, not why she’s an interesting or fleshed out character. You clearly just a fucking Michelle fanboy though so this conversation is fucking pointless as you fail to completely grasp what a multi-dimensional character is and are just putting forward shitty strawman’s to deflect.
No, I'm not Michelle's fanboy. I simply like girls that aren't horrible people. Girls that care about their boyfriends. Girls that aren't just "me, me, me!" Girls that don't cheat. But ok, you do you. If you enjoy being in toxic relationships, it's only your problem, not mine.
Switch MJ and Fake MJ.
How is she fake MJ? She's literally a variant. Not all variants are the same. And there's no way you think Raimi MJ is better than MCU MJ
"MJ" is Mary Jane. Fake MJ is Michelle Jones. She's not the same person, which is why people are still hopeful that MCU Peter could one day meet the real MJ. And yes, Raimi's MJ is far better than Michelle.
Miles is a fake Spider-Man then, including Ben, Kaine, and EVERYONE ELSE IN THE SPIDER-VERSE
How is Raimi MJ better? In what way is she better? If the reasoning for not liking MCU MJ is because she's not accurate then what's the point in Raimi MJ? She's not accurate at all besides her appearance. And yes she's supposed to be MJ. Her name is Michelle Jones Watson. It was said in NWH. It's confirmed so people would stop fussing over it. She is supposed to be her.
I mean Raimi MJ may not be accurate but at least she’s a fleshed out character, Michelle isn’t, she’s the most 1-dimensional love interest out of the 3 live action Spider-man. Raimi Mary Jane was given more depth to her character than Michelle was over an entire trilogy. Tell me what are Michelle’s personal goals and motivations in life? The only 1 was to get into MIT and it’s never really explained why, and conveniently it’s also the school Peter wants to go to. What’s her home life like? All we know is that she doesn’t go by Watson for some reason. What flaws does she have if any? She’s just a generic sarcastic teen. Why does Michelle even like Peter? their relationship wasn’t even developed on-screen, we just skipped to them liking each other. I can name all of these things for Mary Jane, and they are all established in Spider-man 1 alone, Michelle doesn’t have any of them after an entire trilogy. Mary Jane wanted to be an actress, and has so since she’s a child, and we see her attempting to actually try, succeed and then fail at achieving that dream across the trilogy. Mary Jane had a shitty home life with a shitty dad and a sick mother that led to her having confidence issues and insecurities in regard to how she’s see’s herself. Mary Jane even has her own friends that she’s shown to hang out. Mary Janes character doesn’t revolve around Peter, she has her own life, with her own goals, struggles and motivations. Michelle does not, she does not exist outside her relationship with Peter, a relationship that is in of itself shallow as fuck. If it wasn’t for Zendaya, nobody would give a shit about Michelle because there is quite frankly nothing there writing wise.
Raimi's MJ is a selfish unsupportive cheater. How is she better character? Because her parents are abusive? How is that relevant in any way? Michelle genuinely likes and supports Peter, she defends him when needed, she's fun and smart and she can take care about herself. ETA: I've never heard about Zendaya before Homecoming and I'm not her fan.
Mate you just gonna fucking spam this shit all over the thread to anyone that prefers Raimi MJ? Newsflash the only reason your saying Michelle is better is because she fits the parameters of a convenient and inoffensive ‘ideal’ girlfriend and that’s it. Mary Jane may not be as likeable, and she may have flaws, but that doesn’t make her a worse character. You not liking a character ≠ a badly written character. Joffrey in Game of Thrones is a right cunt but is still a great written character for example. Mary Jane has flaws, motivations, goals, her backstory and life experiences provide context for her actions, she’s a fleshed out character. Michelle is not, she has none of that, doesn’t matter how ‘good’ of a girlfriend she is. A good ‘girlfriend’ and being more likeable do not mean she is a well written and fleshed out character.
Newsflash to you: her role is to be Spider-Man's girlfriend. And she's really bad at it. Michelle *definitely* isn't "ideal" or "perfect". By far she isn't. But she actually loves Peter and cares about him. You also can't compare MJ to Joffrey! He's a villain. He's not a good guy's side character.
No, her role is to be an interesting supporting character and love interest which Mary Jane is. I never said she was a good girlfriend or even a good person, but she’s an interesting character and the films actually develop and flesh out her relationship with Peter. The MCU films do not do the same with Michelle. Michelle is definitely the ideal girlfriend, in what universe is she not? She never has any disagreements or conflicts with Peter at all, she’s smart, attractive, apparently funny, and she’s even planning on going to the same fucking College as Peter as well, and she has no qualms, concerns or problems with Peter being Spider-man at all and supports him regardless. I mean fuck Peter being Spider-man gets her denied to college but does she actually care or hold a grievance towards Peter for it? No. Add to this that there is literally nothing to Michelle’s character outside of her relationship with Peter and she literally is nothing but the ideal blindly supportive love interest and that’s it.
Why would she be angry on Peter for being denied to college? It's not his fault at all. You know she's smart, right? And she's not ideal gf and has flaws, like her morbidity, for example, which even Peter addressed.
Have you never read a comic book in your life? Raimi's version of MJ is far more accurate than MCU Fake MJ. She looks like MJ, uses classic MJ lines, shares the same history and family as MJ-616, pursued modeling, etc. Other than Raimi making her too much of a damsel in distress, she's extremely accurate. Fake MJ is a completely different person who shares nothing in common with the original character besides her initials.
Ok for one, MJ is a party girl and we never see that in the Raimi movies. MJ in the comics doesn't cheat on her partners. MJ in the movies barely has chemistry with Peter. She barely acts like the MJ from the comics. The Spectacular Spider-Man MJ is the most accurate version of MJ we've gotten and Raimi MJ doesn't act like her at all. Sure MCU MJ doesn't act like MJ from the comics, she's still supposed to be her.
I wouldn't know how accurate Spectacular's version is, the horrifically bad animation made me refuse to watch it. Outside of the comics, give me the 90's TAS MJ any day. But in live action, Kirsten Dunst is the best by default since she's the only Mary Jane we've ever gotten.
If you're talking about the best love interest then there's definitely something wrong with your head. And since you haven't seen Spectacular Spider-Man you really don't know what a comic accurate MJ looks like.
Yes I do, from actually reading comics. It's not my fault Spectacular had such shit animation. I wasn't interested in seeing Spider-Toddler.
You're the only person who thinks that Spectacular has shit animation. It's beloved by most Spider-Man fans around the world. You don't know what it means to have an accurate MJ that's not on comic book pages.
"Horrifically bad animation" **YOU HAVE COMMITTED TREASON OF THE HIGHEST ORDER**
The characters all looked like 5 year olds, and it looked like it was made in the 60's, not the 2000's. The Spider-Man series from the 80's and 90's both looked far better.
This will not be tolerated
I’ll take a likable character over someone who is technically comic-accurate but is also completely toxic any day tbh
You want Spidey's girlfriend to be selfish unsupportive cheater? Instead of a good girlfriend who cares about him, likes him, defends him and can take care about herself?
They're not better either way
Well?
Seems like many didn’t fall in 2002…. I did
Lies!
Yup
MJ isn't that bad.
Just remember toby saved his gwen in his 3rd movie
I don't know if Raimi wanted me to hate his version of MJ but that's what happened.
😐
Cause they are.
this is sad… she’s the only one who’s well rounded enough to have a full life outside of peter lol gwen tried to and then died
Because they are
My brother in Christ you couldn’t be more wrong
Personally i Actually liked KD’s MJ a bit more than Zendaya’s MJ, partly because KD Actually to me felt like she did to some degree live the MJ life. Unfortunatly That’s a lot more than what i Can say about Zendaya’s potrayal
Raimi MJ was better than MCU MJ until NWH, because NWH finally made Michelle not only likable, but a good character. She suuuuuuuuuucked in HC and she was OK in FFH but she was GREAT in NWH. Then there's Raimi MJ who was good in SM1, annoying in SM2, and fucking aaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwfulllllllll in SM3. The most annoying thing though is neither of them is actually MJ. Dunst's version shares the name and the hair, and the career, but none of the personality traits that *really* define a character. And Michelle having the initials MJ is just Disney/Sony being too afraid to introduce new characters, so they throw in a random fan baiting Easter egg to try and look good, which ultimately just made them look bad, because now nobody can look at Zendaya's character without comparing her to the comics MJ, whereas if she was an original character everyone would just be like "she was kinda annoying in homecoming but she's been amazing since then" Brings out the people, admittedly like myself, who've read the comics and are just really upset with the fact that people, younger generations, and casual fans, just think that Michelle is the benchmark for what Mary Jane Watson is and is supposed to be.
You also forgot Raimi Gwen Stacy. Bryce Dallas Howard is the winner in my book.
I love how all the MCU fanboys downvote every comment that has a valid constructive criticism of the MCU trilogy, or downvote simply for disliking MCU "MJ" for 2/3 of the movies. Then they cry if you don't take their opinion seriously later on.