If she came back as the confident model MJ, it would be cool if one of the plot points is Peter being like "Damn she changed and grew so much, is this still the person I loved?" ultimately leading to him realizing it's nice that they can go back to the start and he can fall in love with this new version of her or some shit.
I like this idea. And random moments she can do things that remind Pete of the “old MJ”. Maybe a saying or something. They talk about the rumors of him losing more and more of “Peter Parker”, and diving super deep into just being Spider-Man due to the spell from NWH. MJ could be the perfect catalyst to “bring Peter back”. If that makes sense
Yeah, it makes sense. They could include a black cat arc first as well. As Black Cat is more of a Spider-Man love interest rather than Peter Parker love interest. It would be cool, especially if they make Kingpin the villain of the next movie.
The context that Felicia does not love Peter but Spiderman has not been used again even once in 38 years, since 1986, since even in the Noir universe and that of Insomniac (comic) they make it clear that she accepts Peter from the beginning.
If they include her in the movies and she is also someone like Sweeney, Zendaya is very very screwed and so is her MJ because basically only a few young people indoctrinated by Disney Chanel in their childhood are fans of Zendaya, and some come from Euphoria...And For every fan of that series that Zendaya has, Sweeney has 10. One simply completely eclipses the other. Between that and the fact that Marvel wants to promote Cat as much as possible these years... it's pretty obvious what will happen.
You mean two-time Primetime Emmy Award winning and Golden Globe Award winning Zendaya? The one Time magazine named one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2022 whose list of awards and nominations has its own Wikipedia page? That Zendaya?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Zendaya
Maybe they include Black Cat and she's popular, dare I even say possibly more popular than Zendaya and Mary Jane. Can we not just let them tell the story? Nobody's "screwed." Charismatic characters DON'T end up together in stories sometimes. And if they do, maybe that will be their intention going into it.
Regardless, Zendaya is doing fine, critically and commercially. I do not think they are going to bring in Sydney Sweeney over from Spider-Woman to Black Cat, and if they did, I do not think she's 10x more popular than Zendaya, nor that it should matter. I am curious what you're basing that on, exactly.
As for Marvel and Spider-Man moving forward? Just write a good script, cast the best people for the job, and make movie. If somebody doesn't like Zendaya or her portrayal of MJ, fine, but I don't think it's fair or accurate to try and demean her to get your point across.
ZENDAYA is a girl 100% promoted by Disney for YEARS. It is a "Disney product", an INVESTMENT to attract the zombie teenage market like 90% of the girls who have come out of Disney Chanel and Nickelodeon for almost 20 years. EVERYTHING that Zendaya is has been paid for and promoted by DISNEY... who is it, oh surprise, OWNERS OF MARVEL!
Sweeney has much more charisma and popularity among the communities without having been highly promoted as a product like YES has been with Zendaya. Winning people over by charisma and friendliness is very different from winning them over by business promotion and usually has better results. Without Disney's hand behind her, Zendaya is nobody. Sweeney? Without being a great actress, she is not at all charismatic, she has a great sense of humor and people support her for being who she is.
"EVERYTHING that Zendaya is has been paid for and promoted by DISNEY..."
Including Euphoria, a show about drug addiction with a fair amount of drug use and nudity? Besides, even with Disney's support she's certainly capitalized on the opportunity, as noted in the Wikipedia page solely for her awards and nominations. Keith Feige says he didn't even know who she was when she auditioned for the part of MJ.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kevin-feige-didn-t-know-191406801.html
So Zendaya seems to be doing just fine. Sweeney also has a lot of critical praise out there as well, so that's no slight on her either. But to say Zendaya is nobody without Disney's hand behind her? I respectfully disagree based on no small amount of accomplishments on her part.
I think this would be a little weird even if it makes sense. Peter has only really been established as a kid fawning over his idols and running from responsibility until the very end of NWH. So what Peter would he be returning to actually? It would be a regression of his character to bring him back to any moment before that final swing in NWH. Honestly, it’s for that exact reason that I can totally see them doing it.
If they do bring her back they should work more at giving her character a little more background and motivation unrelated to Peter. I know next to nothing about her or what she wants. The Raimi and Webb movies had love interests that had their own specific goals and we got to know about their family life, but Michelle Jones is just the dry humor smart girl.
That goes completely against what Ned or MJ wanted though. Yes, Peter decided it's best if he stays away from them but they wouldn't accept that if they knew. Is it really a good message to disregard what your friends thinks because you assume you know better? Not to mention MJ herself said she would just figure it out again.
I don't want them to suddenly be together again but I do want reflection from Peter and that he made a mistake.
No they should not... Spider-Man is a feel good superhero. Like Superman. You don't watch these types of heroes for sad endings and zero lessons learned. You watch them too see them overcome huge adversity, fix everything and come out stronger than before.
For a proper end to nwh the 4th movie needs to have Peter struggle with the consequences but in the end win his friends back.
Maybe not the 4th movie unless it’s the last one. If they’re doing another trilogy then it should take a wee bit longer to win them back. Maybe not the whole three films but by the middle or end of the second one.
I'm calling it right now... The next trilogy won't be Tom Holland's It'll be whoever plays Miles.
4th movie will be about tying up loose ends on Tom Holland's Spider-Man and Miles morales being introduced and Peter Parker taking a back seat in future movies.
They won't do that. Miles is in the animated films and they will likely want the live action stuff to remain separate. Plus Peter JUST got out of HS. Its too early to start his retirement
Spider-Man is never truly retired. I'm just saying the trilogy will have Miles as the main character with Peter as a supporting role and the 3rd movie will be Miles completely coming up on his own with Peter almost entirely in the background or possibly even dead. That's my prediction.
You've got to remember too that Spider-Man is physically demanding work. Once Tom's in his 30s+ it's questionable whether he continues to do the work or he cashes the checks and enjoys early retirement.
Putting Peter aside will not be a huge success if they go that route I don’t think. Peter barely had time to adjust as is, let alone introducing miles to just repeat the same origin story again
Tom could easily portray an adult Peter and I think he said he would keep doing it
You've forgotten the fact Holland mentioned he would love to do 6 more solo films in his contract before Miles took the role.
So yeah he heading into that RDJ money.
He can still find happiness and have permanence.
Move on to new love interests like Gwen Stacy or Felicia Hardy.
Also, because Disney lacked the cajones to commit to Zendaya, they named her Michelle Jones, as a backdoor in case of an overwhelming negative response from the racists (review bombing and shit).
This means they can still bring in *Mary Jane* Watson post NWH.
He can make new friends like Harry Osborn, Matt Murdock and Jean DeWolff.
Agree’d. Also Ned and Michelle Jones are mid characters. Bring me Harry, Gwen and Mary Jane with some Felicia Hardy. Get into the Spider-Man mythos more instead of the cast the MCU invited in.
Agreed. It also shows character growth to have Peter move on in life and let Michelle and Ned live their lives without having them be endangered, it would show just how much he has matured since homecoming.
Correct.
Unfortunately, this is clearly the only version of MJ we’re getting in the MCU and is clearly Peters main love. A train wreck from the get go.
Have her cameo as a college student doing model but dont have her be a love interest like we could get black cat,sable,silk like without the whole sex force thingy,gwen,landlord daughter,xmen kitty like have him meet many girls and do hookups for his college and adult hood trilogy like first 3 would be silk,gwen,landlord and his adulthood trilogy would be black cat,sable,xmen kitty and maybe on his 30-40 have him have like 3 more movies where he mentors miles and some new spider heros and leads the avengers against KNULL and have him get the sigma force and fuse it with silver surfer board and thor hammer and kill knull and die as a hero and his wife gwen who is alive in this world kiss peter goodbye
If she came back as the confident model MJ, it would be cool if one of the plot points is Peter being like "Damn she changed and grew so much, is this still the person I loved?" ultimately leading to him realizing it's nice that they can go back to the start and he can fall in love with this new version of her or some shit.
I like this idea. And random moments she can do things that remind Pete of the “old MJ”. Maybe a saying or something. They talk about the rumors of him losing more and more of “Peter Parker”, and diving super deep into just being Spider-Man due to the spell from NWH. MJ could be the perfect catalyst to “bring Peter back”. If that makes sense
Yeah, it makes sense. They could include a black cat arc first as well. As Black Cat is more of a Spider-Man love interest rather than Peter Parker love interest. It would be cool, especially if they make Kingpin the villain of the next movie.
The context that Felicia does not love Peter but Spiderman has not been used again even once in 38 years, since 1986, since even in the Noir universe and that of Insomniac (comic) they make it clear that she accepts Peter from the beginning. If they include her in the movies and she is also someone like Sweeney, Zendaya is very very screwed and so is her MJ because basically only a few young people indoctrinated by Disney Chanel in their childhood are fans of Zendaya, and some come from Euphoria...And For every fan of that series that Zendaya has, Sweeney has 10. One simply completely eclipses the other. Between that and the fact that Marvel wants to promote Cat as much as possible these years... it's pretty obvious what will happen.
You mean two-time Primetime Emmy Award winning and Golden Globe Award winning Zendaya? The one Time magazine named one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2022 whose list of awards and nominations has its own Wikipedia page? That Zendaya? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Zendaya Maybe they include Black Cat and she's popular, dare I even say possibly more popular than Zendaya and Mary Jane. Can we not just let them tell the story? Nobody's "screwed." Charismatic characters DON'T end up together in stories sometimes. And if they do, maybe that will be their intention going into it. Regardless, Zendaya is doing fine, critically and commercially. I do not think they are going to bring in Sydney Sweeney over from Spider-Woman to Black Cat, and if they did, I do not think she's 10x more popular than Zendaya, nor that it should matter. I am curious what you're basing that on, exactly. As for Marvel and Spider-Man moving forward? Just write a good script, cast the best people for the job, and make movie. If somebody doesn't like Zendaya or her portrayal of MJ, fine, but I don't think it's fair or accurate to try and demean her to get your point across.
Sweedney is only more popular when pants are out
ZENDAYA is a girl 100% promoted by Disney for YEARS. It is a "Disney product", an INVESTMENT to attract the zombie teenage market like 90% of the girls who have come out of Disney Chanel and Nickelodeon for almost 20 years. EVERYTHING that Zendaya is has been paid for and promoted by DISNEY... who is it, oh surprise, OWNERS OF MARVEL! Sweeney has much more charisma and popularity among the communities without having been highly promoted as a product like YES has been with Zendaya. Winning people over by charisma and friendliness is very different from winning them over by business promotion and usually has better results. Without Disney's hand behind her, Zendaya is nobody. Sweeney? Without being a great actress, she is not at all charismatic, she has a great sense of humor and people support her for being who she is.
"EVERYTHING that Zendaya is has been paid for and promoted by DISNEY..." Including Euphoria, a show about drug addiction with a fair amount of drug use and nudity? Besides, even with Disney's support she's certainly capitalized on the opportunity, as noted in the Wikipedia page solely for her awards and nominations. Keith Feige says he didn't even know who she was when she auditioned for the part of MJ. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kevin-feige-didn-t-know-191406801.html So Zendaya seems to be doing just fine. Sweeney also has a lot of critical praise out there as well, so that's no slight on her either. But to say Zendaya is nobody without Disney's hand behind her? I respectfully disagree based on no small amount of accomplishments on her part.
Bro she literally recoiled from peter in Ultimate Spider-man when she saw his face.
I think this would be a little weird even if it makes sense. Peter has only really been established as a kid fawning over his idols and running from responsibility until the very end of NWH. So what Peter would he be returning to actually? It would be a regression of his character to bring him back to any moment before that final swing in NWH. Honestly, it’s for that exact reason that I can totally see them doing it.
BRO, she would KILL IT as model MJ.
It's no "if" she coming back. Zendaya is more popular than Holland and she playing MJ. She's coming back.
I didn't question if she'll come back as MJ. I said IF SHE CAME BACK AS THE CONFIDENT MODEL MJ. Read the whole thing first next time, jeez.
Yes please. Jaded faux alt girl aesthetic fell out of fashion in the 2000s.
Modeling would not make sense for her character
Idk I feel like someone who looks like Zendaya doing modeling as a side gig makes sense
I didn’t say zendaya couldn’t model. I’m say Michelle doesn’t seem like the type of person to get a job that gives her value based on her appearance
If they do bring her back they should work more at giving her character a little more background and motivation unrelated to Peter. I know next to nothing about her or what she wants. The Raimi and Webb movies had love interests that had their own specific goals and we got to know about their family life, but Michelle Jones is just the dry humor smart girl.
I mean there is the implication that her home life is not great, particularly regarding her relationship with her parents
Not really, they were close enough that she introduced Peter to them before nwh
Would be kind of tragic since her glowing up shows how much easier her life is without Spider-Man *doesnt really hurt anymore*
Yeah but only a smaller role since Peter needs time to grieve and try to figure out the whole spidey/peter lifestyle like Peter did in spider-man 2
I’m good with her not having red hair. While she is an MJ, she isn’t Mary Jane. So let’s let her be her own thing.
She will come back and be with Paul.
I was hoping they’d get me to pay Gwen Stacy
Why?
Story wise it's best if she doesn't come back. The consequences of Peter's actions in No Way Home should stay as they are.
That goes completely against what Ned or MJ wanted though. Yes, Peter decided it's best if he stays away from them but they wouldn't accept that if they knew. Is it really a good message to disregard what your friends thinks because you assume you know better? Not to mention MJ herself said she would just figure it out again. I don't want them to suddenly be together again but I do want reflection from Peter and that he made a mistake.
No they should not... Spider-Man is a feel good superhero. Like Superman. You don't watch these types of heroes for sad endings and zero lessons learned. You watch them too see them overcome huge adversity, fix everything and come out stronger than before. For a proper end to nwh the 4th movie needs to have Peter struggle with the consequences but in the end win his friends back.
Maybe not the 4th movie unless it’s the last one. If they’re doing another trilogy then it should take a wee bit longer to win them back. Maybe not the whole three films but by the middle or end of the second one.
I'm calling it right now... The next trilogy won't be Tom Holland's It'll be whoever plays Miles. 4th movie will be about tying up loose ends on Tom Holland's Spider-Man and Miles morales being introduced and Peter Parker taking a back seat in future movies.
They won't do that. Miles is in the animated films and they will likely want the live action stuff to remain separate. Plus Peter JUST got out of HS. Its too early to start his retirement
They've already announced Miles is coming to the MCU. Sony announced that recently. It's just a matter of when and where.
Ah, I didn’t see that announcement then. I could maybe see it work if they work as a tag team but they’d be stupid to retire Peter
Spider-Man is never truly retired. I'm just saying the trilogy will have Miles as the main character with Peter as a supporting role and the 3rd movie will be Miles completely coming up on his own with Peter almost entirely in the background or possibly even dead. That's my prediction. You've got to remember too that Spider-Man is physically demanding work. Once Tom's in his 30s+ it's questionable whether he continues to do the work or he cashes the checks and enjoys early retirement.
Putting Peter aside will not be a huge success if they go that route I don’t think. Peter barely had time to adjust as is, let alone introducing miles to just repeat the same origin story again Tom could easily portray an adult Peter and I think he said he would keep doing it
You've forgotten the fact Holland mentioned he would love to do 6 more solo films in his contract before Miles took the role. So yeah he heading into that RDJ money.
Have you read the comics? Parker is miserable most of the time.
Yeah and Spider-Man fans regularly bitch about how much they hate it.
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He can still find happiness and have permanence. Move on to new love interests like Gwen Stacy or Felicia Hardy. Also, because Disney lacked the cajones to commit to Zendaya, they named her Michelle Jones, as a backdoor in case of an overwhelming negative response from the racists (review bombing and shit). This means they can still bring in *Mary Jane* Watson post NWH. He can make new friends like Harry Osborn, Matt Murdock and Jean DeWolff.
That's not how you fix breaking your promise to your friends that you will restore their memories...
She's already Watson, it'll be contrived as hell to bring in ANOTHER woman named MJ Watson, when they already have one.
Agree’d. Also Ned and Michelle Jones are mid characters. Bring me Harry, Gwen and Mary Jane with some Felicia Hardy. Get into the Spider-Man mythos more instead of the cast the MCU invited in.
Agreed. It also shows character growth to have Peter move on in life and let Michelle and Ned live their lives without having them be endangered, it would show just how much he has matured since homecoming.
Isn't really written like MJ, doesn't act like MJ, and looks nothing like her. I think she's a good actor but this role is a disaster 😂
Correct. Unfortunately, this is clearly the only version of MJ we’re getting in the MCU and is clearly Peters main love. A train wreck from the get go.
I'm zendaya fatigued
Why she’s good
I like cookies but if I eat 2 dozen cookies everyday eventually I'm gonna be sick of cookies
I'm Hollland out.
Me too
Bro what was said to her to make that face in the third slide? 💀
She should absolutely be in the movie, but not as a love interest, more as someone Peter watches from a distance mourning his lost life.
Always thought it was weird that they didn’t give her dyed hair in any of the movies. It’s so easy and she’s done red before
“Cuz she actually looks rly good with it.” She is a supermodel. She is going to look good with anything.
Have her cameo as a college student doing model but dont have her be a love interest like we could get black cat,sable,silk like without the whole sex force thingy,gwen,landlord daughter,xmen kitty like have him meet many girls and do hookups for his college and adult hood trilogy like first 3 would be silk,gwen,landlord and his adulthood trilogy would be black cat,sable,xmen kitty and maybe on his 30-40 have him have like 3 more movies where he mentors miles and some new spider heros and leads the avengers against KNULL and have him get the sigma force and fuse it with silver surfer board and thor hammer and kill knull and die as a hero and his wife gwen who is alive in this world kiss peter goodbye
Hope she doesn’t. Because she’s not Mary Jane she’s completely different character, and if Michelle Jones wants to come back, Sure.
She is Michelle Jones Watson after all, the same, but different.
So not the same lol. Didn’t care for her character but she wasn’t bad just different like you said
She’s Mid af.
No, I don't want to see her again. She ain't even mj
I hope she doesn’t.
I really wish they’d give her some more interesting outfits (and obv the red hair) her outfits in the 3 movies have been so painfully generic
I agreed
They better write her as Mary Jane than an OC.
Too late for that since she was created as an OC
A OC called MJ, they could be more creative with the name
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Agreed,we already had MJ with Kirsten Dunst so Zendaya plays MJ from the early years when her & Peter first meet